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I grabbed the graphic for Absolute Batman The graphhing for Asolute Superman I read Asolute Batman, but I read it on the online jourint and I can't remember when I readuff online. And so then I grabbed Supergirl Woman of toomorrow. Yeah. Oh, I think your loveved one getting into it. I just need time to sit down and read my books. Read my comic books. o I like to read my comic books They know, there's a quick little summer hype meter, but you want to go over and tune in into to the lays on House of R because their hype meter is going to be much more involved in getting into the movies roll them out, talk all about stuff. hopefully they'll talk about the Odyssey. And all of the shit that's surrounding this movie. This movie is becoming before it even drops cultural stress point My. We should do a segment veryery soon on all of the talk around the Odyssey We should do a whole separate show. What is the talk? There's so much talk. so muchys Odyssey use discse primer. Odysy. There's a lot of talk Okay because we talk about the hell and the Troy stuff Talked about that. We talked about, you know, people Scott P peopleople know Tv Scott, they have no way people talking, my dad, my dad, my dad they don't like it. Okay, cool. You don't like it. there is it is what it is. It is what it is. What he's been doing for the last. He my time. On Thursday, but Mash Discuss four is a horizon six. That's a racing game isn't that? Yes sir Do play that? Yeah. I've played the Fz of the old Fza one.. I like racing games. Yeah. But also, you know why I like racing games?? Its like got a steering wheel at the house.. Oh, you do. And that steering wheel is getting busy do Yeah like really fun when you have the steering wheel. Yeah. you have on a big TV.. And Lego Batman, Legacy of the Dark Knight. Have you Have you played this? Yes. What Really good. If you like the Arkham games, and if you like Lego, this this is literally just gonna to be that It's really fun. to collect all the suits. Lego's very funny and charming. Lego Batman's very funn. You like Lgo Batman, Chuck? I'm not fucking with the Legos. You not fuck Lego anything Oh I like playing with Legos once it's just like, here's a Lgo video game I'm like Lego Star Wars was amongst the most amazing things you could do with your time. Oh, then you are you are going to absolutely love this Batman one. It's like an amalgamation of like the Nolan films. like there's a whole story that's like mixing in the Burton stuff, the Adam West stuff, the Nolan stuff. It's everything. I said on TMZ one time. that Lego Star Wars, the original trilogy was better than a blow job. Well, I'd rather, I would rather h play that. I was so into the game at one point whole office went crazy. Harvey laughed. That's how good the game. That's how good the game was. Right. Right to ame. Joe, don't talk aboutx your parents listen., cool But on today they stopped you. The midnight boys react to The Mandaloria and Grogu The long awaited return of Star Wars to the Big screen.. We saw it last night. In seventy MMs, baby Universal City Walks Floor Big screen, one of the biggest in LA, Mando, Grogu, spoiler one in, Steve Alman Getting ready to talk about Mando. You're listening to a reaction podcast The spoils are coming Now to begin your reactions Our reactions we your reactions, our reactions use us, we're together. we are in Spano We once again bring you the midnight manifest alking about all the need to know. Chuck Wagon Please This is your Midnight Manifest of the Mandalorian Grogrou directed by Joean Favau written by Favreau, Dithalon and Noah Clore, starring Pedro Pascal, Jeremy Ellen White, Sigorney Weaver Now, working for the new Republic, Mando and Grogu are sent on a mission to save Jaba the Hutt's son, Rada. The H twwins are now in charge of Jabba's territory, want their nephew back. What they don't realize is that Rada is now a gladiator fighting for his freedom, who wants to distance himself from the family criminal enterprise. Mando and Grogu free Rada, which angers the twins, the Mandalorian must escape bounty hunter Embo and a host of droids, after being injured by a poisonous water snake and dying in the woods Grogu embarks on a journey to save Mando pro his love to his mentor and father figure. That has been your midnight manifest for the Mandalorian and Grogu Then Where do we want to start with this movie that was far longer than I think I was prepared for. I was like, oh, okay, this is long movie. Well let's get into the story of the movie first. Now a lot of people that are watching this. But we're wondering like a lot of us were What was going to be the story of this film and how were they going to take The Mandalorian giru So that is as episodic a show us as Star Wars has ever produced. M of the Star Wars shows that get produced are U they're more of long stories that have they' freshened out their momentum kind of like a more classic TV deal. contemporary TV deal, sh say Mandalorian Groobu though, has always been episodic to the point of it was like old school Aventure of the week type of situation, boss of the week, world of the week, creature of the week, all of that stuff. Now in the last sort of illfated season. They did get into a little bit more of trying to put a through line through all of this stuff. built energy to the end didn't quite work as well for some people. because Lizzo was in it Now just because just it Also Jack Black and also like Mando kind of became a cop and a bunch of other stuff. All of that stuff The question was what was this movie going to do? Was this movie going to be some type of deep exploration into these characters in the wider world of Star Wars at this time that gets us deeper into that world? Or were we gonna have another standalone adventure between Denjarn and Grogu that was just going to be about their bond and kind of hijies they get into. They went for the second thing. Yeah. How did you guys feel about that? I feel Really I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed that I think it's probably because season three left such a bad day in my mouth So when I'm watching this and they They go back to basics They tell like the simplest of stories, it's You send Mando to do one thing, he comes back and then there's a complication and then he gets captured. and All of that I enjoyed and I think the thing that really b The most joy for me is seeing Grogu like actually be a character. Like there's a section of the film where it's twenty minutes. It's basically Grou alone and he's he saves Din Jarn. He's trying to heal him and he's like commuting with the Force. and And I'm like, R, this is what I always wanted. look at my look at my little man growing up I think ultimately the movie did what it had to do, which is not only like showcase that these characters not only like they We can make this stuff like grand again, but also like we actually do like season three was an aberration. We actually do understand these characters again Sure. I I would agree with a lot of that. There's a lot that I have enjoyed about this movie since like the twelve hours that I've had since washing it As I was thinking more and more, I'm like this really feels like kindind of the Not the worst instincts of the Star Wars apparatus and the show still not the best instincts of all of this show. I feel like The structure and the pacing of this movie is kind of off the rails a bit.. This feels like literally four episodes of this TV show smoosushed together into one to where I could actually call cut to credits in certain aspects of this movie every forty five minutes to say that this is the next episode. It it's you it.'s a good it's a good season of the M. It's a very good half season of the Mend really good season. and it was fun I had an enjoyable time with it I still can't meaningfully say that I thought that anything was substantive or move the needle in any way. and I think my major thought is that if this movie never happened, these characters would be in the exact same space, both physically and Mentally than when we started And That can be okay. be But talk about the movie before we got into the But I liked it, Trash What' wrong now then? Wong. Whatas wrong now then? I like parts and I didn't like parts. I don't care Oh okay. Yeah. Is this animal pack van What is this? What's this energy today do? I took it out of van. Oh okay. I'm sorry. the audience So he's humbing a little bit, Chuck. I think it's very difficult to be upset with this movie. It goes down smooth There's just something about Grogu that's magical, The Anzelans This is very much Star Wars as kids enttertertainment. So If I'm like, reviewing the movie as a like this was a fun time to spend two hours with a bunch of puppets, with a bunch of creatures that I love Yeah did its job U. Just even story wise though, this is this is not an ambitious film. No I struggle to even call it a movie In a lot of ways, it was just like stuff was happening. And you're like, okay, cool. This is if people are like, will this restore the feeling in Star Wars Will this make enough money for people to be like, okay, they can make a middle of the Rad Star Wars film they did. So if I' s out like give my If I sound muted in my response It's not out of any like dislike or hat. It's more something I'm like Okay, it was there. L like we watch a movie, it happened. I probably will never think about this again And I think the one thing that is an indictment is like even on a story structure level or even like a narrative level. I think with a lot of Star Wars films You want to rewatch a new hope or empire Strikes back or Avenge of the Sith, For me last Jedi For me, this didn't have enough going on where I would ever want to really return it It did remind me of the TV show. I was like, okay, cool. Um, so the The movie in the film You have Rod of Hut, who's played by Jammie Allllen White. Carmi Berzado. Carmi Beerzado is Job of the Huds son He's kidnapped and is in a fighting pit. Jack to shit. Uncomfortably but comomfortably he's kidnapped and in a fighting He's in a fighting pit fighting for his life as a gladiator. What's his roook opportunity think? Any mean, because it's all arms and chest. I mean' right literally no leg day. Literally no leg day. Nah hei Roman. That was crazy. Would he be like bar roll What it mense because you can't away it made sense that he is more ripped as a hut Because the other hutts just lay around all day getting Yeah licking women against their will. had to get bunch of mud. So you had to get out the mud. Wa can I if we're already just getting into the stuff Rot it does not work. When I heard Jeremy Allen's voice, coming out of like this CGI ripped It It was jarring. Okay. so the rib hut I can get by. He out there, you doing you doing you two a days at the gym. He going to the plat ofin it going crazy. I get it When I hear Carmi Berzalo come out of voice come out of a hutt's body, I'm like, brother, where's the Italian beef? Well that's all I can hear because it doesn' that doesn't play to Jeremy Allen White's strengths as a performer. He's not like of vocal performer Like from what we've seen from the best that we've seen him in the bear, like you just want to stare into his gigantic beautiful eyes and see what's going on behind his face. I think the thing with Rada was you had to humanize him, right? I think the movie was trying to do Three things I think the movie was trying to grow Gr grow grew up a little bit which is why they gave Grogul so solo mission and the solo adventure why D Jarn was gone, but it was also Th movie is also to me in a way just let you guys know. When we were talking about that, Charles talked about in the manifest, but for a time The Mandalorian is out of this movie and then Grogu has to figure things out I think audiences have been like sort of longing for that because at some point That scene, I don't want to be sort of a downer about it, but that scene is going to be Grogu's life Jarn will die and Grogu will have to be a character that exists as he looks back at his dad And that is going to be very, very sad for us I think one thing that the movie did that was from a story standpoint, that was actually pretty powerful was put us in that situation as an as an audience. Den is gone, he is down Gro who is still young, his lifpan is so long that he's still a kid. Ken Grogu actually save the day and he does. And it was awesome the way he did it. He was able to feed himself. He was able to build Dinjon shelter He was able to use the force to close the wound, all of that stuff. So he's not a man, but he's certainly not the helpless boy that we first first saw. And the other thing that we had to do to your point is had to humanize a hut, which we've never even tried to do. Yeah. R. We've never even tried to humanize a hut before. We found out that that's a little tough Okay. you I mean did you like didid you like Roda and Jeremy Allenoy? I did and the only reason why I liked it first of all I'm an actual Star Wars fan. L I actually, I'm not a Star Wars fan. I love Star Wars. So if Star Wars is not a drag Star Wars is a blast. There's no middle for me.. Either Star Wars is a drag, we've seen it be a drag, or Star Wars is a blast. Star Wars is never just okay for me. so it's impossible, right It's like the aforementioned thing that we talked about before. I'm not going to bring it back goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with there. So U I I knew Watching Roda because it worked for me because they put they did all the things you do with the character that you want people to connect with. You first see him and he talks about how he doesn't want to be his family. That's a huge connect with this character thing They tell you. he tells Grogu A bunch of times He doesn't want to be like his dad. He doesn't want to go on his. That is the one thing that When they when you see like all right, a movie doing stuff like that, humanize a character. And then at the end They put him in peril where he has to be saved by someone else So those they're trying to make that character human It's tough for a h Yeah hardsuff hard out here for This is and watching this I was like, oh. The Clone War stands one for better and worse where it's like Rada cororrect me if I'm wrong is the first character was like an original character that they created baby. He is a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Ebo is a character from the TV show, The T twins arc in Cone Wars. and I think watching this. I'm like, oh, the reason I call this a children's movie is because a lot of the writing and the dialogue does remind me of an episode of Clone Wars. This is a lot of Day Faloneoney's original characters It's told in the middle of a story so you don't actually have to push The Star Wars narrative. forward that much So what I was left with watching this is I'm like, while I have to it push Grogu as a character forward. don't know if it did the same thing for Mando. I almost think like Mando as a character was a little bit in stasis And it speaks to me volumes that the best part of this movie does not have Manda win it at all. Yeah. It is basically a silent film with Grogu and that to me was just like This could have just been a twenty minute short film and I would have been even more like I wanted more of that section Yeah when Gogu' trying to save me Mayo is an interesting place in this story Number one, Mando is an interesting character U you can't see his face Yeah Right. And we see his face every time we see his face, we know something bad has to happened, so we can't see his face He's also in an interesting place from a story perspective because All of the Mandalorian lore that surrounded him has been thrown off Dark Savor thing. All of that stuff is gone So then the question becomes Now, what is his main driving force? What gets him up to shine his armor in the morning Okay, It's obviously being Grogoo's Dad, which you see in this movie What I will say that they did do with the character is they've essentially made him apart of the newew Republic. They don't go hard in on that because I think they want the freedom to not have Mando care about anybody's one specific cause But to know that he is aligned with them For Mandalorian, it's interesting. I don't think that we've seen one like that. No I think it I think you're completely right in your assessment because we spent, again, not to h back on it, but season three was all about the Mandalorian and like what it means to be a Mandalorian and like that specific group of people and it did not work Like at all And so at this point, it's like Advancing Grogu makes a a lot more sense in this part of the story because they haven't figured out the Mando part of it. They haven't R I think they might have been like this the Mandalorian lore Honestly scared people. Yeah. like as much as I did want them to push the narrative forward in Star Wars, I was happy that we weren't Dark Saber territory. frankly, like That's that's the stuff I love. That's the stuff I really enjoy. And they sold it in season three. Absolutely sold it. And so leaving the movie as much as I would to like I've loveved to like see them trying to like, you know, kind of reverse on that and try to like make some of that stuff right I'm really glad they didn't touch on that because it just left it just left a really bad taste my off last time we saw that stuff. But sometimes I feel like This movie is kind of a indication that like Star Wars in the grander scheme of things is a little scared of itself to want to actually push things forward because of it's very aware of its failures. And if you wanted to be that thing of going back to basics and sticking with an adventure that Mando and Grogu can be a part of We've all seen all three seasons of this. We've all stuck around with these characters. There's some sort of prebaked notion that we would at least be somewhat familiar with something. You know what Star Wars is in its Drake era. Now that you're saying it Star Wars is right where Drake is now, but where it is like, all right You you get throttled so bad The public is so tired of you that this movie feels like Oh, do you guys want a little nostalgia Wait, wait too much. do you guys want Baby Grogu? Okay, you guys like Babu Frank, right here's a little bit of the Anzels and you' And once again, I'm like, hey, yo, I love all of these things in a value. But you are kind of like, damn, I remember when these movies used to feel like an event. Right. And this this is not an event movie. Yeah. This is just a kind of like placeholder until they figure out what the fans want. I'm not going to be as pessimistic. I think if I'm if I'm leaving this movie. I think the optimistic take would be they figured out like what to do with Grogu, like to make Grogu an actual. He's not just an accessory to manando. He's just not a guy on his shoulder or he's pushing it or he's got the little c thing. Grou can actually like participate and help and like be his own character And going forward, if we see more of that, like One day I would like to see the little home and hold a little lightsaber or something like that. That would be great. But like we can actually get there. I can see that vision now versus him just being on the shoulder and ever so often lifting something and then clapsing with the force. But with all of the things that we've seen that the show has done to like affirm and like buttress that relationship between Din and Grogu I would have loved to see something resembling that in this. and I don't think we really got it. likeike me. more of the fact that like everybody that Din encounters is like the twins, for example, they're like, you will die and he won't even be able to speak his first words. You won't be able to protect him forever And he just kind of like, and we've known this like since season two. And there's no real like reaffirmation or readjusting of his psyche around that idea He's just kind of going along with it. What do you mean? Wh I don't know, becausecauseuse like the idea of like when he was about to Like go go visit him with Luke and like he was stopped. He's like, he's right there. Like you just wanted to see him. That's his son And from now I'm just like, okay, this is just this little homey that they're going on adventures with and I'm not convinced that relationship is affirmed. You you want a little bit more emotional depth from like a little bit like it could certainly it certainly has the time to to make that. I mean, I you see what I thought was interesting. was when Eo Embo is his name, right. I actually was like when we finally get to see their little homestead that we saw in season three,. Oh, that's interesting. I wanna see what the home life is like. What your home life is like because I'm like Din has been raising Grogu, they're now a family. Like I actually like him with the little like Babu Fick uncles, I was likeam, if this was an episode of TV, I just wanted a little episode Where they're like going to a gir making coffee and shit. Yeah Sings were so funny, but they were I am defenseless again getting the NLs. That's S tier key jingling that's I love it. Were theyre on screen? I was like, Dg When what should we call it where Ebo's like fucking wolf kept trying to eat the bu. I was literally so scared of like, they wouldn't have him eat it. Oh I would't have the dog to eat it. No. No yeah. Brother, it's been such a bad week for dogs and like killing dogs. You don't let the bubble freak. Same thing. Come on. No, I think Saros has to figure out. I think Saros has to figure out what a lot of these things have to figure out, which is that For most of these audiences, a good time at the movies is not enough anymore When people ask, what's the difference between making movies now and making movies like when I grew up is that if you went to the movies and you had a good time, you were good. That was. Like that was it. So you could make like tango and cash Like you can make like breakown. You can make like a movie that like was a small contained story that like had this thriller engine to it or whatever. You leave there, you could be al right. The movie Good notot quite work for the theater going audience, but then you could realize how much fun you had with the movie at home. Yeah You could realize how much fun you watching you had with the movie on DVD. rightight? Then they started making movies specifically for DVD and then we started to getting into this whole different deal where the town was trying to find itself and stuff like that. And so like for a Star Wars movie I think just being in the world is not enough for people anymore. that the expansion of Star Wars killed that It used to be that fifty percent of the fun of Star Wars, legitimately half of the fun was just being in the world again. Just seeing the lightsab we're hearing the That's gone. It's just f. Okay, that's gone, right? So like people are they don't care about that anymore And also we're cynical moviegoers. So like you're you're you're watching a scene and you're not in the scene me and this is not Sar Wars problem by itself This is like a movie problem is. you're watching the scene and you're not in the scene. You're not like legitimately in the scene. You're not like watching like what's happening. You're thinking, what does it mean? Well what does that mean? Like's coming? like who's coming? whatever. If doesn't happen, you're out on the movie So that's a problem for like legitimately all movies. Like me and Jomei went to go see the drama. 's clear what the drama is about clear what the movie is about. It's crystal clear that that movie is almost fantastical Dcent into people's insecurities, idiosyncrasies into love into society. It's clear what that movie is about, right But when you leave the movie, People then shred it to try to figure out what it's really about. Now that is for the course for art S sure. But because these conversations are not being had between people anymore they're not being really had in print as much anymore they're being had on social media like poies and everything that that kind of changes it. That makes it a little bit more desperate and that actually raises what the movie has to do, which is why every film now is some kind of grandiose concept film like all it is to like get you or like whatever or that or it is the dumbest piece of nostalgia that kind of blunts that, right? Right with masteres of the universe, mortal combat, all of that stuff. the conceit of the movie actually trying to pull you out of being too serious about the film. Right. Yeah. And so and so like Here, this was all this film was always going to have a little bit of work to do because it's not a movie that takes the Star Wars galaxy very seriously. No. In this galaxy, It is about Mando and Grogu. Yes. Everything else that happens around them It's just the situation that they're in. This is a father and a son and the shit that happens to them. Now is this like From a film standpoint Interesting to even try this because because you look at this and it's like it doesn't have like the typical movie structure. But this part of it is just about them U and that either works for you or it doesn't. Yeah my Yes is that a lot of people will wonder when they go to the movie theater If They don't get more wars for the stars If it was enough for them So do you also think piggybacgking off that? We when you're watching this, like when you're watching Empire Strikes back Originally when you're an audience You're not worried about all these ancillary characters and where they are You know what I mean? sameame thing with the MCU. When we're first watching a lot of MCU movies You watch the first Iron Man? And it's a treat when you get to the final when Nick Fury comes for the stinger and you're like, oh, this world is bigger But that comes after you've accepted Ironman in this world. When I'm watching Mandalorian and Grogu, it was difficult for me to sit there and be like Wait is this soka gonna to show Is Luke going to show up? Is like are any of these like are any of the because ye, what is actually happening is I'm like because there's so many Clone Wars characters in here, sure, you are like, but like aren't you kind of like faking out yourself for that like to not like actively like be present to Ban's point. like Like and it's tough because we've been watching Marvel for decades now and we're trained to just sit after the credits to wait for something to happen For any moie, but that's been what the Mand of Lor seasons have been though right has been like, oh, this is, you think you're watching the episode ofmando, Oh, Luas here. Oh, you think you're asokas here And then they tried to I think they tried to backpedal the movie, which is almost weird because you're just like a TV show is actually the place where you could tell the simple structure story and I feel good about it and movies are for the cinematic Oh, we're seeing this this beloved character. So I'm not saying it makes the movie worse. I'm more just so saying that We know that the Star Wor's world is so big. So when you put someone like Zeb in it There is a little bit I'm like, oh, Zeb the Okay, I guess that's the only real additional character we're getting.'s And that's why when like I say they strip this movie down to the basics. We're not really seeing outside of Rada and Ebo. we're not really seeing characters like again, like Ahsoka like Luke, like Bo Katan, all these people. We're not really running that bagging. And I'm glad that's not bogging the movie down. Exactly, right? point is the Mando is Mandalorian and Grogu. Dj on and Gro. That's it. Those are the characters that get the real like like get the emotional weight off in the story I don't know, man. I think that's a bit of like a Um, like we I'm thinking about Doror Strange and Multifiverse of Madness when I hear that. It's like We go there and we're like, Ohh man, there's going to be all these people in a movie and we leave the movie and they're not in it. and we're kind of like And that's that's not what we wanted. I think that's that's on us, right? That's's on us to manandage our expectations. Like halfay the movie I'm sitting. I'm like Like he mentions like the gun runner, right? that comes in and I'm like, Do we know a gun? Like who's gonna who's it going to be? Like who's gonna come out of that shit? And then it's noobody. It's robot probably like, oh, they're not doing this. They're not doing it. Yeah. likeike it's not it's like, it's not happening in this movie. I think that's f fun. I think that's I think want to know what Star Wars does it well, though. notot to bring it up, but I'm like, oh Andor does the great thing where it's just like instead of doing like the Easter egg shit, we are going to make you care about the characters that we have on screen so much that You're like, no, no, this is about them. this is their world. When I was watching Mandalorian Grogu They still are doing like Zeb is a perfect example where if you're going to put Zeb in this film We don't really get a sense about how that relationship came about And we never actually get any sense of How the Mandalorian and Zeb their relationship is to each other. It's just kind of like if you watch Rebels, you're like, oh, I know that character. And I was just like, oh, I would have liken more of a beat to just be like Okay, like what is this ship like? What is this new crew? What is this new team And it is just kind of like, all right, here's a little cameo for you. because Ze pops in and out of the movie without really doing anything, he is there to pick up Mando and drop him off Yeah, he's just the chauffeur. And So so that's the thing about, oh my bedjom No no, no, you got. L That's thing about Andor is not, you know, Andor is a very desperate story Yeah So when you make something like really desperate, we talked about this kind of with the villain thing, right? the we talk about like which Maybe we didn't talk about this. D we talk about this the villain thing? We to talk about that after the movie. Well, what conversation I was having? Okay, so I was having a conversation with people about like what makes a good villain, right? Yeah and Um I thought I almost brought this up on the podcast. When you talk about me talking to Jason Isaacs Okay. No, you have you have mentioned this though. Okay. So like I once Jason Is was from the Patriot, I was once talking to him I sawm in a gym And I was talking to him. I was like, you are a really great villain in a patriot And he goes I was like, what do you mean? he goes, Well The first time I come on screen. I Kill a kid U And I like burn somebody's family farm down I'm almost certain I said this on the podcast. They'll find it And so it's really it's not me It's the writing The writing puts you into a desperate situation where he's like a good villain. He's like this was around a time that he's like Heath Ledger is a good villain in Batman Like he Ledger doesn't do anything in Batman. likeike he doesn't like kill a puppy Like he does some terrible things, but he's a good villain. That's all about him. The writing is such that they actually leave a little bit Oh question to whether or not his way of thinking is s actually superior to Batman's That's a good villain. He's like, what I do, whatever And or does have the the The um the advantage of just putting the characters in these really desperate situations. L super desperate situations. we' Desperate situations like being in prison and a hot floor and all of that stuff, this is how badire the empire is. And so that desperation makes you doesn't make you ask the questions that the rest of this stuff makes you ask. Where's the emperor Like you know I mean? Like where's Vader Like like all of this stuff is happening. These two people lered over the whole deal. All the questions that you're asking right now about this stuff the question, we don't ask those of Andor because we are too likeike it's It's a good story, but it's also very easy to do when things are turned up to that level of desperation, right when it's like that. And doesn't mean that The show iss not a bad ass show. It is a bad ass show But we do allow Andor to exist in its own pocket of Star Wars in a way that we don't do for other Star Wars properties. For all the Star Wars properties, the more popcorn they are, the more they serve the average Star Wars fan, the more we want everything in them The more like the more we want to see we demand a lot from them We we want everything in them. And that might be because these movies don't feel desperate enough. They don't feel important enough. I didn't feel like Mando and Grogu were ever actually in any danger. I wasn't like, even when like Din was like laid up for that like half of the Well this's a girl story so you know he's going to survive. Right But I mean but to your point, not I don't want to rush off that like do you and just just real quick And or You know he's going to die. Yeah So so so so think about that And this is a hero story where you you know that Den and Grogu are going to be okay Like we know that that's going to happen. So it's really more about the journey. In Andor, when we compare stuff to Andor, we know that Cassian's dead. He' We're watching the story of a ghost So that that changes a lot of the way we come to the story as well. But do you think do you think that this movie in Star Wars in general has a villain problem where when you watch this movie, I was struggling to be like Okay, who's the villain though and what do they want? I guess it is the twins, but they the movie never goes out of its way to be like, how are these twins different than Job of the Hutt? What do they They're just kind of like cartoon. sameame thing with Embo. It's a character that works on a kids show because Embo doesn't talk a lot. But I'm like Ebo doesn't say anything throughout this whole movie. It's just kind of like a CGI character who's putting Mando and Grogu in a little bit of peril. I thought Ebo was fucking phenomenal I thought he was a sinister villain thought having someone from a story perspective I thought that was one of the stronger parts of really I hated E. So like having So Mando fucks everybody up rightight. Amando is essentially the Bruce Lee Steven Segal of this world. D't matter how many motherfucks you can throw a manough. And what we haven't talked about is some of the action here G reallyally, really good reallyally good. This is the best part of the movie. really really sh Really good. The opening action sequence, Wando is excellent. I like after one of the The remnants of the Empire day has to get phenomenal phenomenal the way he takes out two walkers, all of that stuff, right All of that's great Um But wherever he goes, he fucks everyone up And then Ebo when he gets to Mando's home just completely just outclasses them. outclasses them P he in his ability to capture Mando creates this sort of scale of badassery. We know Mando is a badass. We see Mando fucking up everyone. No one can stay in front of him. No one can do it. he's too tough untill this guy comes around I think it was better that he didn't talk because what the fuck is he gonna to say? It was almost like how they did Boba Fett in the beginning of it, right Where it was it was he was a super cool character for what he did. What this guy did was beat up Mando and use his big ass dog to scare everyone. So by the time you got to that end fight To me That if I was oh shit Mando can see him coming. They're doing this like what's going to happen?. That was one of the things that worked the best for me To me, I'm like Coba Fet couldn't just be a cool looking character because you have Darth Vader standing there And Darth Vader is the villain. Darth Vader is the the scary un unstoppable force that everybody's fighting against There is none of that in this movie. To me, the twins I was a little bit like Okay, so they're just like lesser versions of Javba. like But that's kind of like against the Mandalorian's formula, at least when it came to its show. likeike what was the overarching villain in that show Was it like u Oh my Godd, I'm forgetting his name. I'm just glad y'all see how I feel. No, you're of. I know what What I mean is no, I'll tell you why I'm just glad y'all see how I feel because I'm watching the L Jedi and I watch all three of you. I watch one of my childhood heroes, Luke fucking Skywalker crush a goddamn X wing, Luke Skywalker moveves so fast he's imperceptible. Luke Skywalker. All this stuff I'm watching Luke Skywalker throw his goddamn lightsaber over the thing and I'm saying that's not Luke Skywalker. I know who that guy is and I'm hearing from you guys Hey, just fall into the story. This is the story they want to tell. This is more interesting. L Sy Walker wants to cut his fucking nephew's head off. that's where he's coming in these in in these later years. But now when we watch these movies I'm hearing All of this other stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the movie, which I understand because I did it for Last Jedi I want you guys to just roll up in the same maybe don't bring our personal bring our fandom back How how is me being like Who is the villain? What does the villain want? Who are they fucking fighting? There's just like, Well, that's clearly outlined in the movie villain the villains are the hutts. they want Rada, they want him dead because Rada is heir to the to Job his entire crime thing. they want him dead. Mando, I mean, Roda doesn't even want to be a crime lard. I know, but they still but he's but he's still's' l of Thrones. He's the heir to the Huts throne, but he was in jail or the fighting pitsch, whatever. And so they want him so they can kill him. So there's he doesn't have a claim to it which is weird youar don't know when he's going If if he's going to change his mind. Yeah. we don't see twwins anything. Well the Huds I mean they just do I mean they laugh maniically like when I say this is like an episode of Clone Wars where I'm like that works for a cartoon network TV show for a two and a half hour movie. I do want to feel like if Mando is the baddest motherfucker in the galaxy He's facing someone that like even if we know he's gonna be al right, I do want to have that feeling of How is Mando going to get out of this so right it. W it. tellell me what you would have wanted to see I would have wanted in my villain And I think this is all great villains for whatever the villain wants to demonstrate it's a reflection or an inverse of what the hero wants. I think the reason like Darth Vader works very, very well is that like he's imposing and black. He barely talks, he breathes heavy. He wants order. He's a totalitarian, whereere it's like Luke is this farm boy in the rebels. They want freedom They want a little bit more chaos. They don't want everything to be black and white And you're just like you can understand that very, very easily. In this movie, when Manda was fighting against the twins, it's like it's muddled. They're like, oh, well, they want to kill Roda because that's their nephew when they want to claim to the throne and you're like, okay, but We don't see them really doing any criminal shit. We don't even see what their syndicate shit is about. So instead, you just kind of have like some cardboard cutouts. And that's like, okay, if it's a children's movie, I'm not going to like ding it that much But I'm like, yeah, I would have wanted to see the inverse of Mando Who is the person in the galaxy? who was like Hey, Mando and Grogu, you stand for this That's the wrong way to see the world. That's the wrong way to see the universe. Interesting. couple of things Number one You know all of that about U Darth Vader, when you werere first watching the movies But then it turns out that none of that is true Right. So which is great, right? the well, It's writing that took forty years So like even when like all of the stuff that you learn about Darth Vader as it relates to Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, we didn learn over the course of a long time that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker and the mistakes that he made didn't have anything to do with order or any of that stuff. The mistakes that he made were all personal mistakes So Comparing Darth Vader Any villain that you would get on screen for one time, you've had fifty years with? No, But if you go to Empire Strikes backack Because this movie does have that that moment where it's like, okay, we are on a swampy planet And what is the thing that like loom? realizes he's afraid of most. it's the Vader within him. And it's like, oh, that says so much about the character. Yeah, we're going to get books about it and comics about it and the prequels. Even if none of that exists The minute that Darth Vader is like, Luke, I am your father. You're just like, o, okay. so I see I learned so much about Luke through the villain and we never really get that in Mandalorian and Grogu. Even when Grogu is on his on his little side mission don't really get that much about Just what makes this character tick becausecause it's just like, okay, there's like a silent film, which is fine It is just It's not cinematic. It is very much a TV show. Okay. If I'm continuing to hold water for Disney, thank you, Mr. and Michael Mosk So this is what I would say Um, number one Not all villains are created equal. Yeah. We're create if you're talking about Vader, You're you're talking about the u The number one villain in the history of popular culture besides a Joker, right Um There is a part of this where the audience is this is a movie that's kind of more for Star Wars fans So expect you to know who and what the hutts are So if you have twin hutts there at the top of the entire crime syndicate are after one of their own. That person is in a dangerous situation because of the reach, the resources and the viciousness of the Hutts, what they're willing to do. right? So if a HUutt was after me I would think that maybe that hutt would want to take me and put me in what they had Le Leia wearing and then get all down with me and have me dance around. You know, Licky because I'm fucking sexy like that. So Hutts are in a bad situation We've never really had those types of villains in Mando because We are in a villainless part of this galaxy This part of the guy the guy that you're talking about, he's dead. Well, they tried to do that with Jean Carlo Esposito's character. They did. And at the same and at the same time like it was whack having him there. But like the reality is like we're in a time and this is kind of the conceit of the entire movie. That's why part of it is just what it is. That's what be because we're at a time There are scattered smaller villains and not huge iconic villains.. right? That's another reason why the fucking First Order didn't really work if we're being honest. Yeah First Order didn't really work because it wasn't a new set of desperate villains that had these it was kind of a sequel to the villains that we already knew unlimited resourceser was supposed to be the backbone of this. Could have been and even with even withdrawn. Brallin id it really work in A soka. No really. And But I mean, that's to his point though. It's like you take these characters from the show and you put them in live action and they don't really translate. Well, I mean, they they can translate. I I'm not saying I'm not saying I disagree. I'm just saying. Right, right. likeike like you're helping to improve his b rightight. No no, no, no, I don't care anything about live action or whatever. I'm talking about we're talking about villains I think the villains in this movie are completely appropriate for the type of story being told The villains here in a Mando movie, Mando's villains wouldn't be Darth Vader. Mando's villains would be Hutts and runaway empire people and people that would be escaping a bounty hunter or contending with one or other bounty hunter. I'm saying, make them interesting. Make me care about them, make me feel like Mando and Grogu are in actual peril And like it just that the movie does not have that tension. So if the movie doesn't have that tension, I think there is a reason why I'm like, when I walk out of it I'm not thinking about the movie. When I walk out of a good Star Wars movie, I cannot stop thinking about this universe. I cannot stop thinking about, oh, there how many times has that happened In Star Wars, there for you I think last Jedi M recently Um, Andor The first two sc No, no movie. Oh in the movies? Yeah, how many times has that happened I think New Hope does it really, really well. Empire Strikeesact is really well Um I think Revenge of the Sith gets there. Certain parts of fanom Menace get there and I would say slatch So you're saying that as as So you're saying as much as Both Fantom minutes And as much as Fhantominist and Revengeious Sith have been derated by you. the write about you that you both left those movies feeling like I'm just asking. No, that's why I said parts. L I think the duel of the Fates. In Fantom Menace is like I just could not stop thinking about it from a choreography standpoint, from what it meant for the universe standpoint. I know that saying, but you said the world Yeah there were parts of it, yeah, where I was like, oh, this is really, really interesting. There's just a bunch of bullhit in the middle There was nothing in Mandalorian and Grogu where I was like, that scene is going to be an iconic scene where I just can't stop thinking about like how they pulled it off. The action scenes are really, really good, but it just kind of slots into an era of Star Wars where I'm like Okay, you watch it, you enjoy and you kind of Okay, so we're getting slightly bogged down here, but let me tell you why I want to. Um and we'll get out of it soon. I know that this is never what the audience really wants to hear. is because We can go into a movie and your feelings in a movie are always fair. Always fair always fear what you thought about the movie We're get to a point in uh, in Star Wars and all of this stuff. Think about what we're doing. We've talked a little bit about this movie. little bit about it about what we liked, what we didn't like. We've talked about Darth Vader We've talked about the Fantominut, We've talked about revenge of the Sth. We've talked about our last Jy the lasty, We talked about Lu Skywalk. We've talked about all of that Maybe this movie isn't that And if if if every movie that comes out from Star Wars has to be that Then I have something to say to everybody and this is okay then you just don't love Star Wars that much You love those movies and those characters and that stuff Now people say that same thing to me about L Jedi. And I have to contend with that I have to contend with the fact that Last year I wasn't the childhood theme park version of Lou Skywalker that I'm used to So I poutded like a thirty six year old, what year was that? I was twenty seventeen. thir seven thirty seven year old. I poutded like a thirty seven a thirty seven year old man child. That's fair. For us to really really be able to not just enjoy Analyze this stuff. We're going to have to do what Kylo Rin tryed to get ready to do in last Jedi Which is what? You guys remember what he said to her? Kill the past. Kill the past. But like we go like like we go we're like we're going at some point I'm not saying we have to do it now guys, but I'm saying at some point We go we We're going to have to kill Pi and John Fabrearo in this movie can't kill the past because whenever the movie gets shaky, they go back to the toy box and be like Hey go! This isn' int Job of the hut But it kind of is like T Hut. Hutts exists in this world. Whce exists in this world. What I'm saying Th are These are new characters they are new characters that are basically carbving copies of old characters. So it's like if we're trying to analyze this movie, the reason that we keep bringing up a bunch of shit that's happened in the past is because I'm like when this movie is starting to feel shaky, it's because It's running back to the nostalgia the nostalgia drain. L what what nostalg? origin I think and I think I think I get where Charles is getting at. I think I said this, we had this post credits discussion at the end of the Super Mario Galaxy where we talked about Star Wars with with Rob. And I think the thing is And I said this then Back in the day when George Lucas was making Star Wars, he was making it off like Flash Gord and Ka soakca films and all this stuff. Like he was taking archetypes from different different genres and making Star Wars Now They're making Star Wars like Dave Faloney's making Star Wars The people making Star Wars were raised on Star Wars. Exactly, right. It's like the Simpsons. When they were making they were like doing a Batman, the Animated series, all the Those were their inspirations. Yeah. Now the people writing Simpsons are people who grew up watching the Simpsons., right And so all the archetypes you're talking about are Star Wars archetypes, right? The bounty hunters, the Hutts All that stuff are just stuff that like we see all the time in Star Wars because those are the like those characters that we're used to And so you can sub in the twins for Jaba, Ebo for Cad Bane, all that stuff. It's all going to feel very similar because these are all just Star Wars archetypes that you can sub in and put in at any time So frankly, for the most part, the most different stuff we get are the four stuff. Luke, Leia,, Dth Vader, all that stuff is like unique. in the world, the bounty hutter stuff, the stuff, the non forced stuff is pretty kind of It's very by numbers. It by numbers. Like I said, like Like aventer actually like monaster of the week, situation of the week, do this contract, come to complete the mission. They're not as they're not as Not comple. I don't want to say complex as that seems a little like harsh, but a little little more simple. right You could have subcat Bane for Ebo and he would have talked a bit more But it would have been it would have been a similar thing. You could have Job of the Hut could have been the twins. and would have been it would been a little bit more interesting because we know Joob the Hutt, but it would to be as like movie would still be the same is my is my point. And so like not to like completely agree with Charles, but there is a level of theseese characters can all like we all have facsimilities for these characters in this universe all the time. So I see guys this point. You guys watch mo movies You like them I mean, we yeah, these archetype Rom coms nice movies like so what I'm so what I'm saying is what I'm saying is This analysis is interesting because you watch if you watch a mob movie, tell me some archetypes that are in a mo movie you got the big boss son who takes away comes with you got the big boss, you got the soldier Yeah. you also have you got the Judas character you have the pragmatic mobster who only kills when he needs to. the wife who's like right handban. then you have the mobster that's fucking crazy and they's looking for a reason to kill anybody Yeah You have all of that stuff You you know why? Because that's the way the mob is. becausecause that because that world, we know enough about that world both through what we've created in the world and through the actual world the way that it exists, that all of these characters, that's how they exist, right. And the reason why people are building characters that exist inside of a world is because that world is fully formed And so Like Once again, you're getting to a point to where for me when we're having these discussions, the discussions to me are starting to become about Okay Like, it' it's they're it's The movies and all of this stuff fandom period is starting to kind of be in like a likeike a likeike a figure four. because it's getting a little weird like You enjoy being inside the world. This is a world with body hunters and hut and force users and all of that stuff The relationships between those people, the things that they do, either those work for you or they don't. R. I'm not saying that They worked perfectly in this movie. But I'm saying that These are the hutts that replace Jabba. Yeah And then there would be other huts that replace Java So for a whole group of Star Wars fans They wanted to know. Who was going to replace Jabba after these hutts? What were they gonna to be like Jabba has a son, all of this stuff. The DNA of the parts of the original trilogy or the Star Wars lore that exist in a movie like this for a lot of people To me, if you're a Star Wars fan, that should be intoxicating for you. It's a deepening of the story that already exists. L this is a Mandalorian, but not like a Mandalorian we've ever seen before. I think it cheapens the story from being honest. I mean, certainly, right? Because like so I understand it it cheapens the story for you I think that will shapen the story for a lot of people, just like and this is cool, just like for me turning Lse Skywalk into a c cheap into the story, right? It was still Luke Skywalker Right? It was still like that it was Like having him in that story. Having him that character is a lot less meaningful. Let's say that in Jedi, a movie that you guys all love, right? Let's say that in Jedi That was any other former likeike escaped Jedi who was battling with the they could have gone new. They could have said, you know what Ls off somewhere, we're not even fucking a look The reason why you care about what that character went through is because it's Luke Skywalk is the nostalgia of that character that makes all of those decisions and that makes that journey interesting. Yeah. So always going to be a part of this. that is going to be connected to the world that we live in All of the stuff that we're talking about with Andor, they're trying to destroy the deeath star So like and so like all of it, yeah, you can do as much as you want, as much as you want. You are inside of this world that you're in you're inside of this world. You're trying to destroy the deeath star and Andor wanted to make sure that they reminded you that they were trying to destroy the Death star. So you saw it. So you knew that you were making to work Luthan You got Cyril. You got characters that were so memorable that it's like overver becomes just that like, oh, it's not just nostalgia deate, it is just like, hey, even within nostalgia, we can introduce something We can introduce like a new character with a type of thought process or the way that they move through the world that st the where I'm not once again, I'm not saying Mandalorian Groga was a bad movie. I just thought some of the like the AnZelans is a perfect example I love the little Babu Ficks. They're great. You can't watch this movie and not be entertained by them It's not anything At the same time, it is going to be a little bit of jingling keys where you're just like, okay, sure. Like I've seen them, they're cute. you know they work What else is there? And I think when we're talking about this movie, the reason that We're getting off on tangents is if we're just talking about the plot of this movie, Not much happens. Im I don't agree. Like is the reason why we're getting off of it is because this movie was always going to be rather than a piece of art that existed for itself Nobody sitting down in front of the film. You guys, the movie's not about to win eight Oscars and go crazy, okay But Cinney down in front of the film It was never going to be about the movie. It to be a referend. It was going to be a referendum on Star Wars, the health of Star Wars, the depth of Star Wars. It was going to be a referendum of all of that We haven't talked about the goddamn terrifying snake dragon Dragon snake That was sick The dragon snake, like the poisonous, all of that stuff. There was plenty of things that happened in the movie, plenty of action. Mando clearing out the entire club where he fucking knocks the guys worn off and stuff like I like him dropping the salt droing salt. cle stuff in this in the movie that happens that is a lot of fun S's great. What happen? Mar Scor iss great. Marn Scorsse's great. I don't want the money. I didn't tell. like like like he's funny in the movie. There's plenty of stuff in the movie to enjoy H personersally totally agree with the fact That it feels like a television episode. Totally agree Not just one, but. It feels I totally agree with the fact that it feels like a television episode But think are larger conversations regarding Star Wars and fandom Um you know, we litigate trailers based upon this what we do now. The movie before the movie comes out, we litigate trailers based on how we feel about the trailer. We litigate trailer how to how the trailer look, how well the casting it is, this and it this, this and that. And then we wonder why we can't fall into the movie anymore. likeike is and it's not it's still on the st storytellers to make the story into something. but I will say that We can't take a step back and breathe a little bit. This Mandalorian here, this character Dingjn This character, this Mandalorian character deep into the entire world of the Mandalorian for Star Wars live action through this character. We learned about the ent well, in live action,. In live action. we learned about Light Cone Wars Cone Wars and Cone Wars deepen things. Yeah, but in live action, for a lot of people who weren't on we learned about The creed The creed. We learned about. We saw somebody break all of the rules of his life to go and like adopt a son and go around and choose that son over his creed. We watched that son shirk the Jedi and all of that stuff. The world building that has existed Star Wars prior to this deepened the relationship of these two characters. becausecause Gro who doesn't just exist as an orphan who Dan Jear picked up somewhere Grogu is the orphan that rejected Luke Skywalker and the Jedi. Dinjarn is the Mandalorian that rejected his creed and his past and who he was and being the wilder of the Dark Saber to be a father. All of that foundation to me is the reason why these characters work together.. And that's the end of my checks that I'm getting from Disney No more for Michael Mouse. No more for Michael Mouse. I just think Like I came away from it And It's not going to change the world. is. But man we can watch we can have fun with Star Wars. like the movie permission to have you It really does suck that almost every Star Wars thing is like becomes an existential like what's the state of fandom criticism? and why can't Star Wars just be fun again and stuff like that? I mean, they did that in twenty nineteen. They did itver They've done it forever, almost always since the last Jedi and even before likeike o Yeah, I guess you would have to go back to twenty twenty seventeen, but this is like it's a whole meta conversation. For sure about like how we talk about these thingsig and how we u how we u like watch these things because last night I came out Divisive. They try to go back probablyrobably single handedly broke star Wars. I don't even I would go farther than that. I think it broke all of nerd media. I they don't talk about truth. I ag don't talk about these things normally anymore. yeah, don't agree. I agree I think I think that single thing plus All of the putrot Yk Fucking Not woke, but the people who hate woke. Oh anti woke. anti woke, all of that stuff. Sure, sure sure. I think we in the dirt Like I think we' in the dirt. And it sucks that always happens when a Star Wars. But I also I also just think this is This is a business decision where I think Disney especially And a lot of these other companies were like You guys all of this all the time And I think it's cheap in Star Wars when cheap in Star Wars when we got too much of Star Wars. whereere it's just like Yeah, the amount of movies they were pumping out and the amount of TV shows they are pumping out and getting Star Wars and streaming It just of course people are going to complain about it more because it just becomes something that's constant. sameame thing with Marvel. Marvel doesn't feel special when you get a new Marvel show every quarter. I think the feeling that Star Wars and the MCU and DC are trying to capture felt really special when we got a Star Wars movie because we didn't get that many of them. And it felt really special to get an MCU movie when you only might get one every year. When you're getting two every year and three or four shows And way in a way, how cynical of us is it to be like, o, so this is what you do with your first Star Wars movie after all this time. makeake a fun and easy and breezy thing that that's easily watchable for everybody to not be mad at. What the fuck? I like I would if the movies was good, they can make six and B that's exactly what was because in twenty seventeen Yeah what do we get? We got We got we got Thor, we got Thor Bagarock. Then in February we got feebruary twenty eighteen, we got Black Panther. and then in april twenty eighteen, we got Infinity War. We was not like man. It was coming was Yeah to make s. We was like But here's the thing. And By the way, just to let you know,ver all the stuff that you're saying about the rarity of Star Wars movies is cool. That's true prequels came out, George did what he wanted to do on the prequels. He told the story that he wanted. maybe George told a story from a directing and from a writing standpoint that was maybe past his expertise at that point in his career, but he made the movies he wanted to make with the CGI that he wanted to use and people still w us We just didn't have Twitter Like like like people people but was the thing We were pissed off aboutb one movie Now we are pissed off about a movie and a TV show. It is like people are mad at the acolyte, but they're also mad at lastast Jedi, but they're also mad at this. And I was just like, yeah, it's I actually don't think that it is as long as the movies are good, no one would care because it's like, I don't think you can make this amount of movies and them all be good because it's really, really difficult not only to make a movie, but to make a movie about these beloved characters. It just it's not Right It's it's nearly impossible, which is why when they make a bad one, It behooves you not to take it so personal Because because because he's right because like because he's right. He's right You make three movies and then you wait thirty years to get three more, right When when the three came after that, it took us a while to even get into the fact that they was bad. We didn't even believe the fact that the Star Wars movie could could be bad. Yeah. Like you what I'm saying? Like So it was And then I'm still not sure about how I feel about Phantom Minutes. I can't look at it it as bad, It's too much Really? Yeah, it's tough. It's tough for me to look at it as bad i around going to see it. What happens in the duel of the face to Charles' point. Yeah. Oh there's so much stuff that's happening. I was with Marie Route We were watching the movie, I had already seen it and I just remember her going, how are they moving so fast? And I just laugh. I was like, that they're using the force. And she was like, whereere's the force? I was like, Okay, time to shut it up now.lyly respectfully. I' talk to women. But so so all of that stuff is difficult I understand that If you make more of the stuff, yes, more of it is going to be bad. What more decisions that are going to be made that are not going to fly with you I indict myself. These things are storytelling decisions that either you love or you don't love.. What they can't be every time they don't, they're not right is an affront to your childhood or a sign that This stuff needs to exist in a very specific bucket, if it the MCU, maybe not Star Wars, but the MCU was at its peak before television. Television, to Charles' point, still has a lot to prove, but The MCU to its point was Proof that you could scale out these things in a way and make them not just all meaningful, but all good. Even if Captain Marvel, the first one Wasn't super fucking amazing because that it was it It was okay plus. It was cool. It was okay plus in the era that it was existing in That was something that audiences wanted to introduce that character and it worked for what it was. Now if you get away from yourself And you don't have as much to say And you maybe made some decisions on some characters that are a little bit more obscure. You take yourre always one movie, one creator, one arc, one saga away from that Mhm but rather it become and this is my main point P promise I'll shut up after this and I'll never take Aa Van before a podcast ever again Rather it be about the filmmaking and the stories alwaysways about the properties. sure. like rather it be like we don't have a conversation about why Shun She is bad. We don't have a conversation about why Multiverversal Madness is bad. We have a conversation about why Marvel is bad and why these movies are bad or why Star Wars is bad and why all of this stuff All of these things are made by people who write stuff then direct stuff, then send it away for Viz. and there's four or five decisions that are made on each production that if they go different, maybe you like it more or you like it l. All right. talk easy Is it okay? 'cause I think a lot of people will hear my criticism of the movie. and'd be like,, Charles hated this movie. and I'm like, actually I think it's something like more boring and worse, which is like I just thought the movie was okay. And if I'm talking about the movie just as what happened in the movie Yeah, if I go if I I didn't buy a ticket, but if you buy a tick to the movie, It is a valid criticism to be like, oh, this was structured like a TV show. it was a little jarring. or I felt like the villains were muddled. or I felt like Mandalorian As one of the protagonists of this movie, nothing really happened with him So those are all criticism where I'm like, it didn't make for an unwatchable movie. It just made for a movie where I walked. I was like, okay, that was just okay. And I think in fandom, either shit is the best shit ever or it's fucking the worst slop you could have imagined. And to me, Mando is in the middle where I was like, Cool time at the movies. We'll never think about this again We got to wait for the next Star Wars movie. And I just in a fact, I think it's okay to be like, All right, it was alry. I think yeah, there's not of course I think that's a difference in U are versions of fandom Like to me, it is the best thing in the world because of' Star Wars. You know what I'm saying? But there have been plenty Back in the day They've been playing comics that I read pllenty of things that I've watched that I'll just been like, it's, you know It was good But I remember when I remember when Batman Forever came up Oh no Batman forever is just fine So Batman forever is Val Kimmer as Batman. W right with Chris O'Donnell as Robin. Great Robin, by the way Chryst O'Donnell is Robin U That wasn't poison Ivy, right? No, That's the next one. That No, that's That's Nole Kidman as the Yes. theole Kidman. And so in that movie you have the Riddler and you have twoo face. Right. Jim Carey. I remember going and watching the movie? Sit down watch the movie, you know, first movie, No motherfucking M come home, ask my parents. It like, wasas a movie good? I said, yeah, it was good It was good. My mom was like my like my moma was like, Son, this's Batman and my dadd go, Well, shit Not every Batman movie gonna to be the best movie ever made' like it's good movie. It's like good.. know that way about the Batman, where I'm just like lookingooking back on it The Batman to me is like good movie that is not excellent where it's like you can sit down, watch a scene and you like, oh shit. this is h. clipping this. What? We' clipping this, brother. That the Batman is just like a good movie. Yeah they're kill you. I don't think the Batman is a great movie. Social. This is really good. you wantan to keep talking right to that right to that camera right. Batman Socialcial goodcial Itcial social Social Social social. They are social. marri doing like you are about to get your dick cut off. mean I just say something that was so controversial They say that shit is better than the dark night, my dor. I'm being dead ass on Godirl. Hold on I' I'm being deadass on God. They say it's better than the dark night. Am I tripping? No, no no. I'm not like I don't personally believe that Charles You're in the world of heard, my friend. I personally like it's not I don't think it's like, I don't even think it's really a conversation really You know, if you really want to like open up your mind and be really woke about it, we could talk about it. But frankly, I think there's different levels You get online right now. Matt Reeves is like posting who's going to be in the Batman partart two and people are like, Oh man, I can't wait James Gunn you in a dirt. This is going to be the greatest, the second greatest batm or the greatest Batman movie ever. And the number two is going to be the Batman twenty twenty two Like it's you're living in a different world. All right, I didn't fucking know that Batman has shooters like that. Bro. It's not. really does. did. But now I know you're lying.. All right, let's let's go back. We talked about other movies in the Star Wars Let's Let's see where Bando and Grogustan. Oh w way, let's rank. let's rank all mainline has to be in a movie theater. So I think no one still is Empire Stri' back. Well, yeah, it's not better than any of the original trilogies No, no. Is it better than Phantom menace It's a tighter movie than Fant of Menis. I'm picking Fant of Menis This this movie don't have du all the fates. Like don't have if you don't have dual the fates in your movie, Okay I can't do it, bro. I can't do it. can't it It's fine It' fair. It doesn't have dual f.'t have doual the fates ack of the clones. Easily. I got. Yeah, it' better than' gota be better Revenge of the sith No, fuck, You outta here, mine? fuck outta here R one no. Force away play me For awakenh I' take Force of Weakens. Force Aakens is better than. I'll take force Weakens Yeah Last shit out. obviously you guys are gonna to say no No, no A you gonna take it I mean, I've come to appreciate the last Jedi. It's fine. Rise a Skywalker. Yes easily. Solar Yes, Yes. yes. Now listen Listen now. Solo's not that bad. Solo not bad. Enjoy solo. Well an Earren Reich I can make an argument We can almost do a whole pot on this. That solo has a little bit more in it than this movie does from a dynamic standpoint.uck I don't Iree. Iree. I can make it a lot argent That solo, but here's the problem with solo and this is not This anybody You have to nail Han solo For solo to really be He really did his best man. What do you What do you expect again our participation trophy as shit? There's Solo is good That's not Hunt solo And it's okay. It's okay for us to be like This was I think solo is as good as you can make a solo movie that does not have Harrison for it But fine. I mean so so when I and look, don't try to make me act like I was being mean towards him. you you Yeah man.an we get a hot dog after this? You. Yeah, like you go to the yeah, go guysy. Wait The reason this is better than solo because once again, I'm not hating that much on Mando and Grogu. I think it' worth the price of admission for sure for the little Krogu side battle in the bot And so like there's when people were like, Oh ye, I was like, no, no, the Bobble freicks And Grogu like in the forest by himself climbing up the walls of that castle and going into the pipe it a little like lizard rain bar to be where I'm like, I love st theseers my only puppets and the N Zealans getting they licked back. It's great The last one's rogue one, but it's not as good. No was ro. where not the So this is. I think this is a middle tier Star Wars movie. Right. not Middle tier, it sucks, Middle tier where it's like It's not Great enough to captivate Me for years, but it is not bad enough for me to be angry about it It's just a good time at the movie. And hey, even if you even if you remotely like Mando and Grogu and you were even a little annoyed at how season three shook out, guess what? This is a great correction of that. And you had a great time. I got to be honest, man to get not to get back on like the big Star Wars convo. But I tweeted this the other day. It's remarkable that we've made they've made thirteen of these movies, included include the actually, let's not include Cold Wars joint elve of these movies straight to Deters And there's only one that's like legitimately unwatchable. War two You would say attack of the clentses and watch. A attack the clones is bad I was thinking that but they I don't know that it's. I don't think it's watchable. It's not It's not Dual of the fates But when Yoda slaining that lightsabh. That's f. That's that's a fantastic. Yeah, but there's too much, there's too much b. There's a lot there's a lot of nonsense to that movie. that's I mean, that's the movie where about it. That's the movie where we get the Dooku getsan people genocide, Dooku, there's stuff to lis But the think but like Let's say you had like you're re watchatching Star Wars and you like like I had to cp you be like, all right, I'm put on the original trilogy. You obiously going watch all the movies. I'm going to put the prequel triog. You can to watch all the other movies. If I tell you to go home right now, And you got to go home and re watchatch the sequel trilogy You go going to tell me you going finish last head and be like, all right, guys. hereere's the problem with last year. you mean Rod Sc right? No, no. I'm saying when L L that I ends Are you gonna to be like, man, Time to sp up Rise to put's problem with're not's problem with Rise and Skywalker It is nothing Yeah Yeah Okay. It's a it's soless. It's it's it's's there's nothing Like and there's weirdness around it because Leia Kare Fisher passed away. It's like all of this stuff. maybe that scene where Actually, maybe that's not even in that movie. Well, no, R two comes back to life That's in that's in R the Syalk right? I think that's in goes back to life. That's in the that's in last Jed. Wait no, that's for w wakes up and g the of the D two have the map. got the map. Yeah. And he but he he won't wake up anymore Yeah Yeah. So they gott to wake Ru D two up. That's not even yeah. Yeah. That trash some of some of that shit was because I forgot about that whole plot one. Yeah. he just wakes up and then just ges and then gives him the map to Luke. He wakes up and force awakens. What does R two do in He does done something to ride the skywalker am I tripping? Sure. I don't know. I've only seen it the one time Like Oh oh, oh, o I'm trying What aboutight now? What about what about Han talking to Kylo ack Force goostes. Force goes home? Im the little little not great. Wack. If you you like Dessie? I don't know Wh That b the water was kind of al right, but I literally cannot remember anything about that family.' that's my thing though. We talk about Star Wars as if it's the like abject not He could keep all fiction. Like boom, we kindt do because think about it. like There kind of can be sometimes one arguably two boring movies R Right? Like I don't, like I think we need to like not readjust our expectations, but like reallyally like stop missing the force for the treason but like star ain't person hse cooks, man. Like let's let's calm down. Let let's stop h a little bit. Hey look. I think this movie did a great job and again, it's All I say is that's a nice that's a nice album every ten year average with Star Wars. and you be a real. Yeah. And that's okay. What's the ometic? Itmic it totally it turned out. It turned out. It turned out that that nigga was ling We ready for midnight meteter? Yeah,. All right, y'all know the midnight meter is one to twelve one being reserved for. Total dog shit. eleven and twelve for absolute game changers. Let's start with you, Joy. What are you giving this between a seven and an eight 'm you know, I'm a give it eight, man. I'm a give it, I'm a give it a eight. I think what elevates it for me is that like we actually get to see Grogu. be somebody like what like what G Goger can look like in the future. He's not just a backpack. He's an actual full fledged character that can like has his own motivation that does his own thing. And I and I really I really, really, really love that little section of the movie. The action' great I had I had a fununch on the dator Th A for me. Yeah, Steve, littleittle sparse. I'm giving this a lightight to solid seven Amy. eight Okay. seeven I thought about a seven I think it's eight. Okay I'm going to give this one a sex it's an enjoyable time at the at the theater. I don't hate it. like like I was entertained. But with me giving it a six, the last question I kind of want to ask y'all is In this summer of content, we've been talking about how important this year is just for like the stuff that we cover. Are we in the era where a good time at the theaters for us is enough? O or do one of these movies really have? L if we watch Spiderm Man and we're just like it's a good like, are we going to be like, Yeah, or are we like, Damn, we really need one of these to like Well I don't think that's a movie by movie I think it's overall. We need two bangers though I need Dune Odyssey Spider Man Avengers. You need Avengers. I need two of those. We We need two bangers. Like it's like it's like, okay. they can all be good because people are going back to the movie. One's gott to be fucking, We need two bangers. And I think which which the most important Which of those four are the two most important to be I be important And so I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a little dad dad. Okay, so here's the Doon has got to work Yes, Okaykay. And it's going to work has to be a doom must doom must be a banger. But let me tell you the other one that has to be a banger. We all know it A I think gotta bang. I think blanket avengers. Avengers gotta bang. Ifvengers Avengers If it has to Avengers has like if Avengers doesn't bang, we are gonna put a coffin behind us and then we all wear suits. How could you say that? What happened to my father? wrong O you or right. That's comeome on guysys, that's come on man Charles, lookook at Charles. All right, that's a rat. That's a Avengers has to bang. and for me Nolan, they're tal about you crazy dog., come onent. H here's the thing can we be been real be realust be real Nick is going hate on the Odysy whether it's going're they're going to hit on' I'm taling for it I'm talking about that fake stuff. I'm talking about that woke. ain't we're talking about they want they want to see Nolan trip. They want to see it They want to see Nolan fuck up. A man, I'm not there yet, brother Let me tell let me tell you how something The least of the movies that has to bang is that one. That would't have to be That's true. N' legacy. First of all, I can tell you right now that if they cast Elliot Page as the ghost of Achilles They're going to have picket lines It's going to be a turning point USA conference. I right But are we on are we on to not like us not let us run where Denny Denny looking at the Odyssey if it don't move the way it moves. He's like, Hey yo. Yeah Nolan was on top for a while, but it's a new's a new kid in town. He the man if that happens. Whoa, you think you think the hierarchy of power. No doctor chang. I think he takes bond to wherever we think it is. then I think it kind of already That's why you think it already is. Yeah.. And that's why I'm not like All right, we wall it. No, no. w me phmogphy. Give me phogphy Bing up the photography. But that's why I think Ily give him a Dny right now wores. Let's do it versus right now. versus. Let's do Denny Nolan verses. let's Okay. I've got Denny's coming up. No I got wait wit Do no fuck God though Is this are we wasted pod No no, no. we're going band for. We're going band for band No be cor on this tomorrow. Let let's just I don't be that cort on this tomorrow. Where are we starting 'ause can't ' now, here's the Dan though, okay. We can't We can't go all the way back to two thousand, right Now you already tangen the la you're lazy is, let's go. It was good Sopping on Let Let's go. We're first order. Last What's the last movie Danny made? Dune two? Dune Dune two. Alppenheimer Don't too, Don't too Yeah ye yeah. You'll be kicked off the pot. I love it. like Alenhamer I not fucking with doing too though. Alenham iss good I. not in mine. I would bow mine.o. Wow. C on. whichich one are you? You're about, comeome on. You'? Spect me. Come on. So what's the difference in Ebo and Europe? We don't have to to. I legitimately to I don't know I legitimaterimer iss one of his best works shhout to my Nigeria shout to strong dis agree. That' that's me. Okay, what's Denny's last movie G second last movie. Go. Do doing partart one. Ten it. All right, you gotta give you goosh suuck me nexte one. Bade rununner twenty forty nine. Dunk Kirk. Blade Runner.'king Blade. I S sorry it's Blade Runner. I'm taking Blade Runner. D Be the Kurt. You take a Dum Kk over for Blade Runner. It might be don't I'm not mad about that. is a hurt bro heavy Kurt. That might be No B Bladeunner twenty I That's a tough one. That's a tough one. What's the That's a tough one. That might that might be the kirk man. I love playade that blade runner my actually blade runner fking good. I got a goodarner. We gosling. What's the next one? A rifle Aellar Haven't seen a rival. You haven't seen arival? No Dgell The arrival's amazing. Exactly. No B. A arrival is so fucking. Is' Estella though Arival over in herelly Yo, they bx no I gotta getess something. I gota call Joe. I'm sorry, B. Who called who? I gotta called, Jo, Br I got I gotta call Jo Joe Robinon. Yeah,. She's clotting right. She's literally,'sotting right started at ten though they might be done. me then Nigga we'll see if she'll open the guy if she'll answer the guy downn phone.a. I call on my part. Let's see. Answer the phone, Joh Joe, we're doing a Nolan versus Dny? Is she still in the office? And I'm gonna ask you, right? are you still in office Yeah I'm studio five C She's She's busy. I just want to ask her Joe come. Yeah comeome to the studio. Yeah, yeah, come come on the Midnight boys real quick. Yes Okay. All So we got to get we got to get another This is a great person. because I can't I don't know what to do, Bro You haven' seen a rival, bro. You need to see av rival to see bro. So hi, just this is this is the deal Okay, we're doing, we're going backwards Band for band, Bandy versus Dy versus Nolan Yeah. And we've gotten to in the middle of your hot nolan. we've gotten We've gotten to arrival. versus Instellar Okay. takes it Arival Easy But that's because we're too old. The youth love In cellar But wait you? Was there a resurgence amongst the youth for interest? So it came out. the ten year anversal came out I had't seen a moie. I wasn't seeen it in theaters, brother When I tell you Like it was like ten o'clock. You know me, man I' beat that month. Sure sleeping I was locked in till one AM in that movie brother. That thing was special. just And I saw a rival when it came out. It's really tough for me to like put two baddies. I think the I think I'm contending with Interstellar's cultural reputation because arrivals Arrival is way better than Interceellar, but Interceellar is a bigger movie in terms of like its impact on people. For sure. Arival' is a hipst chice but it's a better choice. Okay, All right So we'll give that down to Joe, Joe, you're going to help us finish Charles is not here. Okay. that's your next Denny joint. Next Denny. This is am I bring the same Charles energy? You you the same Youact like one for onece for one. Sakario. Dark Dy rises I'm going Skari. Sakari. Sari out of here. All right. okay. now we get into now we start getting into now we're getting into the nitty gritty. Have you seen enemy? I have I Deny feelil No. I have Okay, Inception. Okay inception Inception Inception, unfortunately. Yeah Now we get to a movie that I really like, Prisoners versus. Dark night. Tough. Okay, I'm sorry. All right. No one ex're going We're going back we is't startre start the most recent see here's a deo. H's a do. Now it's not fair anymore No because any kind of like D Dny prrisoners is Denny's he's emerging. Yeah right's already I'm sorry I have not seen poolytechnique. I have not I actually saw it. Okay I actually went back and watched these movies, some of them I don't really get But like can we run this back? Who won like Oppenheimer versus Okay Okay, so we it was Oppenheimer versus Doon two. Yeah. Do two take I'm having a hard time because I really think Alppenheimer' one of Do two is Carly better than Alppenheim Tell me I did not know you were in the Oppenheimerouse. Have I ever told you what happened when Rob and I went to go see that at a press screening As soon as the credit roll, this one was like Thank fucking gu. Let me say some Let me say some right now. The bomb go off, right? An you thinking bombss off There's another hour of this movie. How can they top it? And guess what? They don't. they do. Oh was in the movie I was in a movie light. I was in a movie light. No When Romy Mok, Rommy Mollk didn't say Charles. Kaiser Ssday M moment? Charles Come sit down right here. I the table. No're gonna me, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know. So you So you're you're tuned to I'm not acting like do we have to go back over the list for Joe Okay was doing part one versus. that was doing part one versus ten. Do one. Do one. Yeah. Right. And then what's the next one Bade twenty forty nine for you now. Dunkirk That's tough. I do love Dunkirk though, but I love Blade Runner. I love I love I We went with the Kirk. Yeah went I love Dunkirk. I think it was Denny, but then you didn'ason think Denny just stopp. But then Denny once you get to That's why I said before. Well the way we should do it. Stop five or stop up. That's what we should do Yeah. We should do this if I know ones not five, right? Well, because if you ask me half the pod is gonna be doing that because we should do two pods on that because I think the prestiges is Prestiges is like and no by way up here his time. No I wasn't be no. No prestigt easily what you talking about What else would you put in there? No, but that's like Podcastters think prestige is top five. Normal people don't. they don't put it in a top five. No. They would put Darklightst Inception, Instellar, you know, like A lot of people put memento over prestige, but I think prestige is number two. L I think it out of. I will say don't. is way better than intercellies. Icell. I agree. There is a fine. So we do. So this is what we do. You should have your listeners vote on what are the top fivees. Well. you you believe deocracy? T I believe in. No, he's a democracist! do you respect the opinion of your listeners? I do Is thragging this episode Thragging this episode. So what we should do is we should do we should first do a top two top five episodes for Denny And no, we should do one T five episode for Denny and I No no. then we should come back and we should M them Spar Ban for B. On that spar episode, you should have House of R on. I can't wait, loveving.idight episod. Yeah. Okay. So you always do your top five episode, then have us on for the Clash of the Titans. No. Is this our midnight corner you almost might maybe you guys should do Maybe we should take a top five from one group and you guys should take a top five from why you guys got too much. Theyready Nolans. I did all the Nolans so Yeah because the top the Dny top five is pretty straightforward to me The Nolan, even though I love prisoners. The like the Nolan top five is going to be difficult difficult It's very difficult But to me, number one is easily Dark Knight, right I mean, I think your must is that easy? You must have O dart and I Dark Knight, Pistige. No, My number one is the prerestige. Iames Preistige is best mo I agree. Yeah But that's my number one. I got I gott a presti. I'm on the record. The prestige is my favorite. Pstige is probably It could No. I gott to put prest, I think that's the hipster choice. I think the prerestige is best movie because it is the it is the u is the ultimate optimal use of all of Nolan's stuff. Yes. It is Nolan operating at his absolute peak of his heart. All of the Nolan stuff works. better proced works any worse. Have you seen following his first film It's really good. I really recommend you watch it. It really is kind of the first again. It's a little over an hour. It's really short. It's black and white. It's not a student film, but basically student film. It has everything that he's ever done is in this like first thing that he ever did. It's amazing. Insomnia, also think about it I saw L, he kind of great. people really it's not make it. but these mo think about it. Think about it. Just think about it. You know what? I would not put Oppenheimer in the top five. personally Let's go Let' M when you get up there and he like, yo, actually, don't put this guy on the committee bro. I was I was in tears in my eyes. That was special. Yall wasn't locked in schoolool. It meant something to me. Yeah I enjoyed the movie a lot, but mainly because of Barbie. Yeah. John Kennedy B I put Barbenheimer in the top five. I wouldn't put Oppenheimer. brother that I was I I can't. I'm notad that he has his Oscar for that because that's just like a career cumulative Oscar and that's fine. I'm not like what a miscarriage of justice, but I would not put Oppenheimer in my nol in top five. I would I mean, if I would put in my p ten it would make it, but like that's know I want Odyssey in the top five. I want Odyssey. Well So so that's what what started this Oscy from on July sevenh julyventteenth H happppy thirieth birthday. Sobe maybe we wait do this around that time. That's what obvious you do it like a ramp up to it you know ramp up to it Okay. Beran meetings on the pod. An Is there another director? Is there another director that getting there with those two guys right now. Right now No. I mean, can I be honest, I think Nolan I think Nolan is just like. San of you over here Cook It's like the Ryan Top five is Ryan Top five is actually quite easy. I think C is top five' because his filmography is shortter. I hen't made that many movies, huh? You just say bl. Black Panther. I just just says the word black. looks like. Number one, Black Panther too, right? L E B station So these are all bangers, but I think Ryan's I think Ryan's getting. I think Ryan is entering in I think sinners is the begin of his dinny. So this is this is the right now But would you put like, would you ever put like classic Spielberg up? Well I was I was just about to say's coming out. So that's's like if you gotta sift through a lot to makeake a top five for Spielberg. What you mean sift through a lot He made There's a lot of note but'siga made. Top five' pretty easy. Dressic park js js and ET. Chandler's list? Yeah Oh you want to get yeah, stop cash if you can't a my nerd order Canatch me if you can, iss the top five spoober. Oh,es, it is. A. Yeah Perfect movie. What director has the greatest top five now we probably Spielberg. They they would. I mean like Yeah We're no we gotta go. a m Rogieot Can I just say something real quick though If you're not putting John Favreu in this l If your top five tooingers If your top five has ET Jaws and Jurassic Park, it's going to be a different Its a lot of people get with you. Yeah. Now you could argue what those other two movies are I mean, look, there's a lot of movies. like you could argue what those movies are, but like if your top five has those three movies Yeah. No, Raiders are a lost arart. Yeah. Yeah like if you different levels. Yeah, it's like you can'ts it's going to be difficult for the shit that we talk about, it's going to be difficult for somebody to fuck with you. Yeah. Yeah. because you have youd have to put Raiders in there too, right? I think yes, but I think Nolan vers. Villev is a great is a great argument And invite us on before you go. Yes. You know, you guys are gonna cover Man on Ggle. 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