Standup Comedy and Audience Control

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You've got Dominican Vibe. Actually Swanan. Dominican vibe. Dominican ? Sr Lankan. My boy Tim Cash is Sri Lankan. You probably know him. I do, yeah. He's actually from uh Lancaster. But his name's gotta be Tim Cashanard or something. Cash is a singer. Yeah, he can't be Tim Cash. Cool. Yo, what's up? This is Ball and Wayne. And this is Sean Wayne's and we're gonna unfortunately be on this hot ass Ramache show. Check us out Oh shut up Rob ish . I'm gonna do an intro, I'm gonna try and big you up, but if you don't like it or you want anything added, please let me know as I'm reading it. I trust you, go ahead. Feel free to interrupt. My guest today a sub please don't read it as I'm reading it . My guest My guest today a supremely gifted comedians, actors and writers from one of the most iconic entertainment dynasties. They first burst onto the scene in Sketch Show in Living Color, went on to front their own sitcom, performed stand-up international I do know him. I told you. Yeah, I know I do know him. Why do you want to get halfway through the intro? Now he gotta start over and you gotta say D I do know him. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Now now he gotta No, but I know that guy that guy's like now you gotta say dynasty again. Tim Cush. You don't like dynasty, dynasty. It's dynasty. Okay. What do they say? Why you got that on his speech? Why did you interrupt him halfway through that. You can curse? Yeah, you can curse. You can fucking fucking ass. Let's fucking fuck on with it, yeah? Let's fucking go. It's fucking Red Jok Dynasty. It's a fucking dynasty, baby. They first burst onto the scene in Sketch Show Living Colour, went on to front their own sitcom, performed Stand-Up Internationally and create and starring comedy classics like Scary Movie, White Chicks, and Little Man. Now, 25 years after the original, they are back bringing their signature mischief to Horace Booth's scary movie. It's the amazing Marlon and Sean Wayans. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming onto the show. Now, I'm gonna be s I'm gonna be honest with you you,'ve got uh tired vibe about you. Is that accurate? We're tired, we're exhausted. I'm sleepy, you know. I've I flew out. If you know my last three days, you throw up. Seriously I did a sh show in New Jersey. Yeah. Drove to New York. I did another show at Barkley Center. I got on a plane after two after parties. I got on a plane. Came here. Got off the plane. I did a show at the Wembley OVO. Yeah. And then after that I had a party and then after that, I've been working from six o'clock in the morning till I don't know, eight at night, every night, promoting scary movies. And now he's sick. And now I'm going to Paris. Now we gotta eat shit food on the city. Now I'm sitting in your little closet having a nice conversation with a Indian dude with a dope DA . El DeMarge. And how are you, Sean? Are you Asian? Uh no. Oh okay. No. I'm not Tim Cash. Shrill? Okay. Yeah. I'm not Tim Cash. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what Tim was for years. He's like I'm Sri Lankan. Yeah. Where is that? Tim Cash doesn't look he doesn't look Sri Lankan, does he? He is. He's a crazy Sri Lankan. He's crazy and he he knows how to pick every lock. I've never seen nothing like it. Okay. Not to say all y'all know how to do it. No, but I know, but that's but the problem is that people don't know many Shalang because if one of the two that they know picks locks that becomes a stereotype. I locked out my house. You know who got me in? Tim Cash. Tim Cash. In my own house. In my own ho use. I was like, what in the hell? Came by up give me five minutes. Dude, what he go? He came through the front door. Here you go. What happened? Climb your vo climb through the fucking roof. Going up there, prick theed the door of to bedroom, got got in, come down help. That's exactly how Tim Cash sounds as well. He's in your house now. He's picking me up . Like Eddie Murphy and Belly O's cap. How you doing? Uh welcome to the show. Thank you so much for coming on man. You guys are legends. Uh how much do you enjoy being in London? I really like it. You people are crazy. Y'all got some dark sense of humours and you love games. Can we stop? I don't play no games. Please don't let me play a game. I've every show I've been on, they got some kind of damn game. They want me to play love games. I'm like I'm tired of games. Don't I wanna play no fucking games. Okay, guys, scroll on man. No, just I'm fucking about it. We haven't got any games actually. Well we do have one game, but it's not really that. Every game. That's what's weird. We we we have actually got a present for you. Go for it. I'm hoping this is gonna work. This is for you to I can't imagine you're gonna want to take this away, but you can do if you want. It's uh sort of a la scary movie. It's like a little voice changer thing. Um let me see if I can get it to work. Do you like scary movies like that? Kinda like that, yeah. Hold on, let me just set it to H this one's baby. Do we get the speaker too? Yeah, you can have the speaker. Hello. How are you? That's a baby one. Okay. What do you think of that? And then there's an baby sounds like that. Well it's not actually a but you know well I'm not I'm not I'm not talking like a baby alien . There's uncle, which is like I'm gonna be honest with you, I've lost faith in this. But this is like uh lost faith in this. Lost faith . Yo comedian said , no, he started bombing I was gonna start. No shot. We was at the Barclays and this white dude was bombing real bad and he goes. I guess I gotta be honest with you guys. I'm having an anxiety attack. Oh man . And then the black people that was booing them was like, oh, and they felt bad for him. They started clapping like you get there, you get through, and then the motherfucker trying to tell another joke and it booted him again. Oh man. I just wanted to hug him. Anyway, let me show you the second voice. So this is like if somebody's like in a documentary but they want their identity protected. Hello Hello . And then he started talking about the exact one There was uh one thousand five hundred bottles of baby oil. I hate when they make the girl sound like that too. Give them a baby. But I will take that speaker. You just want the speaker. Yeah, I'll take the speaker. You g'ottare take the speaker and not the Okay. The little voices we'll figure it out afterward. Do you want here? Do you just want the speaker? Thank you. It wouldn't have been I mean look, that is yeah, okay. Well I'll just keep it . What am I gonna do with that? It's you said you don't want to travel with it, but you took the biggest part of it. You took the biggest part of it. Anyway, congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations on your gifts. Oh what? Thank you. Oh thank you. And congratulations. Scary movie. Yes. Thank you. Guys. Very, very exciting. Yes, we too. What uh why scare why have you guys uh decided to bring any scary movie? What's brought you back? It's been a long time since you're involved in the originals. So what's the deal? How come you're back? The original scary movie was so incredible, like so so funny. And like proper, proper out and out comedy, right? And I think that in the interim, I think there's probably an argument that out and out comedy is a few and far between, I think, to be fair to say, right. In terms of like big outrageous coming along A film that the only job that film wants to do is to just make you laugh as much as possible. It's fair to say we've had an absence of that, right? Absolutely. And so I would say a fifteen year absence. Maybe twenty. Yeah. So do you feel like have you w what have you thought about what's happened with comedy movies in the time in the time in between scary movies, I guess? Last comedy that made me laugh, one of my favorite, is The Wrong Missy. Anybody see The Wrong Missy? I didn't wrong Missy, no. Check it out. It was funny. That was the last one that made me laugh. But that was it's a Netflix movie. But the last time we seen a a big comedy in in like the theaters has been a long time. Like when the We're the Millers. It was funny. But that wasn't recent. We had a building. I said that was the last I just said that was the last time. Fifteen years ago, twelve years ago? And then the uh the latest vacation movie was funny. Those two movies made me laugh. Which one was that? Well, you talk about National Lampers? Yeah, uh yeah, the the the the new ones. That was funny. And what what did So I haven't laughed in the theater ? I haven't laughed in the theatre. Do you do you think it's f like do you think like comedy's kind of s like making people laugh as a thing in a film is sort of I feel like it's slightly people don't realise how difficult that is, right? So it's slightly sort of dis not disrespected, but it's overlooked. If a film just makes people laugh, it's less likely to win awards and stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. That b comedy doesn't get any any any criticism. You know what comedy gets now? Criticism. That's what the problem is. Yeah, you can't judge in comedy. You gotta go to a comic comedy club or you go to a uh a place, you wanna hear the dark jokes and we and the thing society has over time I think social media, COVID, all the movements, you know, uh just made everybody scared. And, you know, so now people are desperate to laugh. And I you could tell by the like we got 450 million views on our trailer in less than in five days which is insane because people are hungry to laugh. It felt like the 90s when I went to the movie theaters I 'cause went to Scream to see the trailer play in front of Scream. I saw the scary movie trailer play and I was it was just like they was like I can't wait. They was clapping, they they get when they saw it was I've never seen a trailer get like a round of applause and then a round of applause afterwards. So, you know, we're excited that people want to laugh again. I think it's it's a good time. When with the original , it's like uh it's sort of in the tradition I guess of like airplane and proper like, you know, out and out comedies like that. Those films that kind of when people watch them, i you know, it's i you know, a lot of it is like s I guess you call it silly comedy. Do you know what I mean? In terms of what you're doing, and when people see silly comedy, they think that's it. That's people assume that can be easy to do. But physical comedy and prattfalls and all of that kind of stuff. It' probabsly the most difficult time. Actually, the hardest genre you can write. I don't care. Drama, I'm not afraid of drama. I could write a story. Romantic comedy, I'm not afraid of writing those. Regular a action, buddy action . I've written one that not as hard as a parody. On a parody, every joke, every page you're shooting three jokes a page. Everything is a joke. Every bit of dialogue is a joke. Everything, everywhere you going. We're in the hospital. What's the name of the hospital? We're in uh a movie theater. What funny can happen here? What what does the toilets look like? This is the way your mind thinks when you do a parody. The slug line gotta be funny, the action gotta be funny, the character gotta be funny, the dialogue gotta be funny. Every element has to be funny. And guess what? Not all those jokes are gonna land. So you know your your joke ratio is gonna might not be great because even if you do land, you're gonna miss and you do it correctly, you're gonna miss jokes because you're laughing through the next joke. So you want rapid fire, but it is the hardest thing that you could do. It is really hard. Do you generally go by whatever you guys think is funny? Does it make you laugh? Yeah, if it if it makes us laugh, a lot of times it'll make the audience laugh. Sometimes we'll crack it up and then the audience don't get it. So, you know, you gotta trust your instincts. You know, you you got two hundred years of comedy between me, Sean, and Keenan and Damon and Kemp. Like my family been doing it for a long time. If you like Wayne's humor, you know you know what we do. And you know, it's the same formula, different movie. How does it feel to be sort of part of a family that have made such a a massive impact? I mean, like I I know think I'd feel a lot better if I was part of Michael Jackson's family because they're just a lot richer. But that's just because I'm materialistic. That's all. But you have had you've made an indelible mark on entertainment, right? And comedy in particular. And even in the UK, you know, you're revered the Waynes family revered so much for for the amount of really great comedy you've created. Thank you. I mean it does it feel weird being part of that? Is it just that's just normal life? I mean when you think it's we think it's very cool and we ha we we we love that the audience reveres us and uh we appreciate it and um it's it's nice to And to be honest, as much as we appreciate it's like we're so busy working and doing that I don't have time to smell the roses. I just got time for planting trees and finding those jokes and doing all this. So I you know we don't do it for the for the for the accolades. We just do it because we just like making people laugh. So your drive is not what you're you're not worried about legacy then, is that what you're saying? You just you're just keeping on doing the next thing and seeing what happens. Um, you know, you don't worry. I don't think you think about legacy until you slow down. Yeah. Then you can go, what is my legacy? And what is our legacy . I think you can't reach legacy. You know, we've been in this game almost forty years. So we know we already built a lot of the legacy. There's more years to come that will follow. And there's a shortcut. All we have to do is rob the Jacksons. Why do you keep bringing that up? No, I think it's something that's not talked about enough actually. You and your little Sr Sri Lankan boy are gonna pick a statement. Taking Tim Cash to the ranch. Right. But do but like do you for example, s the original scary movie was such a classic it's such an iconic movie. There's an argument against coming back and doing it, doing another one for you guys. In terms of sometimes people feel like it's made such an impact. I don't want to come back to that and risk tarnishing it or whatever, right? Do you does that ever occur to you? Because y you know, it's like you don't throw punches and then look at your punch and you hit him in the jump like, oh man, that was a great knockout and a boxer goes, I don't never need to throw another punch. I can never top that punch, man. You seen how he went down? Man, that was a 37-second fight. I'm done. I'm retired. No. You keep doing it because you just love the art of throwing the punches, and you don't know what lands, and you don't you're not trying to top the movie, you're just trying to continue to entertain. And it the audience comedy is subjective, so the audience is gonna tell you what movie they like the best. Some people love scary movie one. Some people love scary movie two. Some people love, you know, well, white chicks. It doesn't matter which one it is, as long as you they're all in the conversation. I think we did our job. Yeah. And then with regards to w making scary movie, when people talk about making heavy dramas and stuff like that, they talk about the fact that you have to be kind of uh lighter in between takes and stuff 'cause the the stuff you're filming gets so heavy. Is it just nonstop pissing about on uh I know it's a very British thing to say. Yeah, pissing. Yeah. How much pissing is it just nonstop pissing about? Yeah, I mean, he tries to piss. I take a piss and he's laughing while I'm peeing. And it's you know, everyone's trying to make each other laugh It's a piss fest. It's um I think everybody's uh trying to make each other laugh. I think that's the fun of doing comedy. And and for me, when I'm sitting there watching everybody and Sean, when we're watching everybody, we're trying to make them funnier in each scene. Go, okay, say this improvise we so we're improvising for other people so as you're doing it it's it's just working you're not thinking about it it's the the work is the fun right so it's not like about hey, let's have fun between takes and do some more pranks and fun stuff. No, everything fun we try and put it on the screen. So and you're just so you're just trying to top whatever you've done. Yeah, we try to make everything better. So we'll have a script that we are following , but then after you do a take, then we go, okay, that was funny. We got that in the can. Okay, let's try it like this. Right, right, right. And then you just keep going until w we we go, oh yeah that was the budget. Yeah shut us down and we 're like you gotta hurry up shooting in this room. I mean are you constantly now when you're watching horror films are you constantly just like looking for little tropes that you can take and stuff like that. Yeah, we st watch like a hundred movies in order to write one movie. So you just watch 'em over and over again. Is it something else? What I didn't I see, try and place your characters in those situations. So it's a lot of work. But you know, over time you get, you know, a bunch of like jokes and then you gotta pair down the jokes and you go which ones are we gonna fit in the story? And then you write your first draft and y your first draft is, you know, very long. I th our first draft was like a hundred and eighty nine pages. What character you assign those jokes to? You know, you have to figure that out. It's a process. But you know, end of the day, how many laughs can you get out of a movie? They say a good comedy, uh, you laugh five times in a theater, and I don't think we've ever done a movie where we try to make people laugh only five times. Yeah. Uh they say seven t if you laugh seven times, that movie's hilarious, right? That's the thing. Okay, well then this is gonna be absolutely hilarious . This may be the funniest movie of all time. But that's like the film reviewer's rule of thumb, right? If it if it's got seven laughs in it, I don't know. Let's like you I I I we can't we don't even do it for the reviews, man, because we've been so beat up by the reviews. We expect the reviews to never be good. Look at that Rotten Tomatoes course. White Chicks got like a seventeen. Hornhouse got a six. White white uh uh Scary Movie One got like a 24 . Scary movie two got like a 20. We we've have terrible rotten tomato scores, but our movies, classics, 20 years later, people still want to see scary movie uh with Wayne's that you know 20 years later, it st'ills asking for white chicks in living color. All the things that we've done over the past, they never get great reviews. Don't be a menace got slaughtered in reviews. But people love that movie. We do it for the, you know, the weed head don't care about no reviews and he care, did you make 'em laugh, bro? Can I get high and watch this again with some of my buddies? Did I eat munchies during this? That's all. So you're you bulletproof when it comes to reviews. Don't give a shit I won't say that. We just bulletproof we just don't really trip on it. That's we know that their job is to review and you can't go to school uh for you know and and study movies and then you know , try they have a different sense of humor than we have. Yeah. And so it's s comedy is subjective. So they have every right to review and we don't get mad. Sometimes they're so bad we read 'em out loud and laugh . Cody used to do that. We used to read 'em out loud and laugh. Like do you what movie did they watch? So, you know, and I and like I said, we we have respect for the critics and everything 'cause you have a job to do. But um, you know, th this is we make these movies for the audience and yeah, that we want this movie to be you know fuck the critics, yeah. That I won't say. No , no, because then we'll get negative thirty-five. We don't give a fuck what you said. Fuck you, man. If you're watching this in your critic, fucking suck my dick. Am I right? Nope. That's not I can't wait till you do a movie. I wanna re I wanna I wanna read that review . And we've got a question from my mum who is sh also Sri Lanka. Okay, hello. No, this is a voice note. I've not heard this, so I don't know what she's gonna ask you. Okay. Alright. Hi guys, I'm Romesha's mother. We work together. Sometimes Romesha's brother joins too . Do you find it easy to work with family or do you fight on set? When Romesh is a silly bugger, I just tell him to shut up. Have a wonderful day. This is Romesh's mom Shanti . Thank you. Okay. Introduce herself and introduce herself at the end. That's cute. How difficult is it to work with family? I it depends on how it can be really, really fun . It can be really, really fun. When we did white chicks, Sean did not want to be bothered . He hated me. But it wasn't his fault. He had these things in his eye. We hated each other. We had these contacts in our eyes, we is in heels , our feet was hurting, we was under a mini skirt on and what I was trying to get him to get on his mark. And he was like, yo, leave me alone, don't touch me. But I understood how he felt because I I was in the same It was it was so painful that when uh on the very first day of shooting I went to my brother and uh w we did one scene, we did a take and I go, Yo, how much longer we got? And he's like Motherfucker , you just started shooting. You got 18 more hours. I was like, man. But yeah, we've uh uh it's it's it can be difficult, but I think it's reward ing. You know, this is uh uh I think we've always uh made magic together and um look, y you only got uh so much time in this world in this synapse we call life, so why not do what you love with who you love and uh laugh all the way till we can't laugh no more? Well one of the tricky things about it is that um you know when you're doing comedy, you're you're trying you're trying to get as an individual you're trying to get particularly when you're doing stand-up for example, you're trying to get as many laughs as you possibly can, right? And it's quite a selfish pursuit. And then if you're doing something as part of like a cast or a group or whatever, you've got to sort of put your ego to one side and and go, we're working for the benefit of the whole thing, right? Are you able to to do that with your brothers like, you know, in terms of like do you ever get worried about, I don't know, somebody's got more laughs than someone else or somebody's got bigger lines or anything like that. I want everybody in the scenes to be funnier than me. Right. Right? If I'm gonna be funny, I want everybody around me to be funnier. That's why it's gonna be a hilarious scene. And when you know he does the scene, I want to make sure that it's not just a good scene. I want to make it hilarious. How we make this one the best scene ever. Because I'm not in the scene, I can we both look out for each other. Like here's how we can make this scene funnier. And um you have to be unselfish, especially in our position because we're not like just some actors, right? We are the writers, we're the producers, we we're you know, st stars and the visionaries of the project. So we have to, you know, be uh the point guard as well as the shooting guard. Yeah. So we watch each other's scenes and after the the uh director says cut, I'll go over to him with that notes and be like, yo, that was really funny. Uh you should try this. Oh, do that. Or when I do my scene, uh, when they yo cut Maul and I come over, yo, that was really funny. You should try this. Oh, try that. Do do this do this line. And then I'll try it. And then, you know, it'll be funny. What's it what's the dynamic? Is it completely equal amongst all of you? Is there somebody who's got like the power of veto or do you like and do you all have the same sense of humor? I think we've learned over the process like is to act like acquiesce, right? Some some people have a vision for things and so you have to do that and let them execute because you it's hard for everybody to have the same exact vision, but who's gonna be be doing the day-toy-da work and bring the vision home and that's who you gotta, you know, at the end of the day, you gotta trust that person. I mean and that and imagine that that except for when Keenan's directing. When Keenan's directing , yo, we do what Big Bro says. Not just what Big Bro says, but he's one of the greatest comedy directors of all time. Yeah. So, you know, that's a different set of circumstances. That's when you or sit there and yeah, we're producers and writers, but Keenan's the director, so we gotta listen to our director because he's the visionary. Right, right, right. Um now let's talk about In Living Color. Absolutely enormous show. Yes. We've j I don't know if you it often compared to SNL, I don't know if you're where SNL UK's just started over here. Yeah. Okay. Um how do you feel like I mean you mentioned it, Marlon, the fact that people still talk about Illumin ar. Yep. What what was that like to be part of something? I mean I you can't have known that it was gonna have the impact it was gonna have. But what was it like to be part to be part of all of that? How exciting did it feel? And how difficult was that? Because with with Sketch, you know, there's I I think that there's probably , you know, because SNL's run so long in the States, Sketch Comedy over here has had like a has disappeared for a while and and it's starting to come back a bit. But sketch We grew up on Benny Hill. That was like our function. Really? Yeah, we loved Benny Hill. I love Marty Python too. But big fans, man. Brits are funny. Funny people, man. The office. You guys got a great sense of humor. And um I I wish more of the world had that kind of dark twisted. Do you think the British have got it particularly dark? Oh you're dark. You're dark. But smart too. Mm. Dark, smart, and it's wicked. Just you just guys, you know, I I I love British hum humour. W with sketch like do you just accept some of it's hit like it's difficult to make every sketch hit, right? Well, I I think um it is difficult. I think when you talk about television, I think sketch is the hardest form of television. I think just the same way. Sketch and parody. That's why for us, we do sketch and we do parody. Every black here's how hard sketch is. Every black sketch show producer and uh and performer quit at the five year mark . Richard Pryor, the key uh Key and Peel, uh David Chappelle. They did five years Keenan Keenan. They're like, I'm out quit. I'm out I'm out. Yeah. After five years. It's it's tough, man. It's a tough one. Because it's like it's a machine, right? It's and you it you're constantly trying to, you know, then the audience has a expectation. So you gotta, you know uh, you gotta wait for things to happen. And you can only do but so many characters. And what's great, we had a lot of original characters when we did Living Color. But, you know, um , and Living Color had an insanely talented cast and unsaline talented writers, you know, but you you turn them over so much. You just basically bleed in people's drive because you all day long we used to stay on Living Color till six in the morning writing sketches. Yeah. Because nobody wanted to write for Keenan and Damon's little untalented brothers. And that was Keenan and Damon talk that was Keenan Damon talking. Except Phil Bowman though. Phil Bowman used to write with it. So you just came with your own. Everyone was trying to write for the guys with the superstar characters. Everybody wanted to write for Damon and Jim. Yeah. And David and Kim. Yeah. And Kelly. They wanted to write for the cast members who had the the hits. Me and Molly didn't have no hits. We had to create our own little hits. We had Snuffin' Room and um he had uh uh he did Shaba Ranks and I did L L Cool JJ and Joe ? You know, we was trying to get on Ice Poe. Like, you know, we was trying to get our foot in the door and and get our superstar sketches . Um now what some people might not know in the U .S. Bliss. You could have at least put your hands up. Why didn't you you guys are lucky I don't fart? I really want to fart in this room. That's what I want to do. You know, never mind the sneezing, but I want to fart in this room. I didn't s I didn't out Sean. I know. I'm I'm over here. That's that's how you'd normally lean, right? Yeah. He's already getting sick. Look at him. Just lean into the side. He always looks sick though. That's crazy. He does look you you always look like you you just got bitch. Do you know how you know how how he He looks like he just got bit, like we could save him if he chops off his arm. You know how you know he's ill when he starts to look well? Look if he if he's looking healthy and he's got a normal colour to his face Now what people in the UK might not know is that the modern Super Bowl halftime show the spectacle of that show is down to you guys, right? The reason for that spectacle was because of in Living Colors Super Bowl halftime show. So so can you explain the whole form before that? Keenan noticed that uh Keenan and Damon noticed that uh it was brought to their attention that uh everybody was uh nobody watches the Super Bowl halftime show. Well back when the Super Bowl was on. Yeah. Back in the day it was this like cheerleaders band. Yeah, it was like cheerleaders. So people would turn to something else and then they would turn back to the to the uh sp to the game. So they seen that as a opportunity to get people to watch and live in color during the halftime show and have people turn the Fox watching Living Colors live halftime show and then have them turn back to the game. And so that's what happened. So Super Bowl lost like half of their audience, or maybe even more than that, because everybody tuned in to that episode of the And that was so big that the next year they hired Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson to do the halftime show. So I mean that is incredible, right? Yeah, that was crazy. I mean that in and of itself is an amazing impact to have. Yeah, I would love in a dream of mine , and I because I have these crazy ideas and crazy dreams. Robin the Jackson. Love to one day. Rob the Jackson. I want to do the Living Color Reunion Show as a Super Bowl halftime show. But that's what we actually do it with the Super Bowl in coordinations that the Wayne's like the way Doctor Dre and 'em did yeah to do the Living Color takeover halftime show associated with the NFL and just lay it out a half hour comedy sketch. They hate us . No. Sean. Are you that would be so big. That would be so big. Are you kidding me? You know how big that would be? If we did the in living color uh re uh reunion I know exactly what you swore. I'm just saying they hate us. They probably hate us, but the point is, so what if we did it again? We'd go do it over at Fox. Then I'll hate us even more. Exactly. But just what let's just table that. Put a pen in that. I think it could happen. I think it's well. Put a pen in there. Watch. Hundred percent. Okay. Put a pin in that. I'm I'm gonna bring that to the streets. I'm throwing it up there. Or the pop. Now one of the things that uh you know we talked about. That was my dead father telling him . He tried he tried to bring my father in on the idea. He's like, I'm gonna work on it, Pop, and now what did my father saying they hate your son? It's really hot here. Yeah, it's quite hot, isn't it? You are you struggling? Aren't you? Me. It's hot. Sri Lanka, man. Well no, I'm quite warm. I'm quite warm. You're used to this kind of heat. Is it hot in Sri Lanka? Yeah. Ask Tim. Tim knows. We'll call Tim. Yeah, I think Tim is a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea. You really do know Tim Can I just say that I do know Tim? No. You're gonna get sick. Don't touch his phone, do you? Okay, yeah, shit, sorry. Yeah. I do know Tim, yeah. Okay. Sorry. What does Tim host? Can you show Ben? You'll know. You're like a Tim Cash. I do know him, yeah. Well I don't really host that. He hosts M T V. He hosted That's right. Hosts a uh uh a show for He probably hosts Cribs now Amazon, Breaking People's House for Um That's hilarious. He hosted a show for the Oscars. He's he's been on a lot of carpets. It's Tim's a Tim Cash. Love your boy. Yeah, big shout out, Tim Cash. You're Marlon's favorite Sri Lanka. Big ups. Um You're my second faviteour. Thanks. But then again I know two Sri Lankans my mum Tim then me uh And the the the the impact you've made. How important is that kind of representation to you? Is that something that plays any part in your thought process or is that a byproduct of what you guys have just naturally done? Very cool. Shout out to the families that came before us that made us dream. Shout out to you know the Jacksons, the DeBajes, uh even the uh the the uh the Osmonds, you know, I know they're not black, but they were influ ential in seeing a family work together. And so we grew up with that vision and it's good to execute it and I hope that the you know we inspire the next generation of Wayne's. Well 'cause you know, s sometimes you don't think you know, I th and I think about this as like a a a brown performer, I guess, in the UK. But then when I was growing up, there weren't many brown people on TV doing comedy or anything like that. And so you know there was a couple of shows, and then you think, and then that gives you a sense of of like shit. I could do this, and then now when you're what when you're doing what you're doing, if you think about what you've achieved, without you realising you're you're pr you know, there's probably gonna be people that have decided to go into this. A lot of people decide to go into this as a direct result of watching you. I mean that's a pretty amazing thing to consider. I mean, you know, to to be inspired uh to inspire people Yeah, I think that's very cool. Yeah. But that's not why we did it. We wanted to tell these jokes and make some money. Yeah, I get it so it's about obviously primarily it's about the fee, but but but secondarily if you've inspired somebody, that's a nice bonus. Yeah, that's a nice thing. Yeah, but it's not essential. It's a nice bonus. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna play a little game. Remember, Stop! No game! We're gonna play a game. You're gonna like you're gonna like this game. We'll play this game. You're gonna like this game. Give them a little prize. Do you mind if I answer This game is called misquoted. You don't have to do anything, you just sit there and talk. I'm gonna give you five quotes, okay? Some of them you said, some of them you didn't. Okay. And it will lead to some great content. It's misquoted. Here we go. This is misquoted. Go for it. This is your first one. Did you s did one of you say this or not? This white boy is funny. Trust me, he's like silly putty. Jim Carrie. Correct. This white boy is funny. He's like he's like silly putty king. That's Damon. Yeah, I know. Oh. Okay, here's your next one. Go for it. Writing sessions are lit these days . I don't know . I don't know anybody that said that 's what I Who said that? It's false. You didn't. This is a quote about your writing sessions. We get lunch, we get green tea, we get in a room. That's true. We start talking about what kind of story you want to tell, get some funny gags, try to make each other laugh, and get the room as warm as possible. That's Sean on Good Morning Texas. So you actually like these kind of temperatures. That's why we've got the room like that. No, I don't I like that in my house. I like I did another direct quote. There's a direct quote from Sean. I like the room small and hot and with two awkward white guys in the corner. No , that's why we arranged. So that's we've done it exactly as it said you said to Good Morning Texas in March of this year . I'm done with movies. I'm done with movies. I'm moving to Palm Beach. Not us . Who's that? That's not us. No, you didn't say that. Yeah, no, no. And that was to real ninety two point three FM in January of this. I'm moving to Miami far away from you niggers. But but he said Palm Beach. That ain't a demon. That's not a demon quote. Uh well done guys, you won the game. Both of you won, but so when we win. But this where you were eventual release from this room. I'll borrow that. Oh yes. But I hear about five more questions. I've got five more literally five more questions. Well, four, three. I can see the monitor. Okay. Okay. You've had an incredible career. Congratulations. Thank you. Um have you got anything left that you want to do comedically or creatively? Is there anything that you still want to achieve? Like if you were to retire today, would you be like we had a good run? Or is there something one more thing that you want to really hit? I have a lot I want to do. I feel like I'm just beginning. For me personally. Yeah. Cause everything I've done up until now has been study, work, study, study, work, work, work, work, work, study, learn, learn, learn, learn, learn. And now at this age , I can execute every last single thing that I have thought of. And there's so much more I want to do. Like these are my these are my my my my best years. These are my Denzel years. These are the years that you you you work f to have this this twenty year run. I feel so I feel like my best work is ahead of me. I feel like if I was done today I could say we had a nice run. Right. So not that I don't have more to do. Yeah. It's just I c I can say that. I I don't I'm not, you know. There's nothing Yeah, I'm not trying to um take over the world. But you are. He is . I am. Hmm. And then I died today, I'd be mad as hell. I'm a man I wanna I wanna do dynamite, I wanna do the mask, I wanna do bite chicks too. Is there gonna be a white chicken? If I die , put me in every one of these movies in a coffin or playing the dead We can at Bernie's. Yeah. Weakened at Bernie's just have me sitting next to Where I want to keep doing movies. Where does a stand-up sit alongside movies? Like is do you have a favorite thing that you do? I love I love stand-up. I thought I used to be the thing I hated, thing I feared. Now it's like the thing I love most. I love it. I I am addicted. I'm on a stage every weekend. And uh I'm working on now my my sixth special and uh I just want to keep pumping out funny stuff and clean slate and start again and blank canvas. I love the art of because I used to always have to feel the need to do a movie or I would feel anxious, to feel some anxiety. But because I do stand-up now so much, I quell that anxiety and I get to put together, you know, the things I really am passionate about and control. So you do I do stand-up in between movies. Yeah. You know. And how much and do you are you doing that? Do you feel the same as Marlon about are you addicted to it? Do you feel like you have to be doing it? No, I I love it and I do it, but I'm not addicted to it. I just I just love the the art form. Do you think there's an argument that it makes you funnier in I I sort of feel like it makes you funnier in everything else you do? It does make you funnier. It makes you a better writer, a better producer, a better visionary. I know I could bring you back. You know, it's just like I just I just love it. It helps me when I'm on set, when I'm improvising, or if I'm writing, or if I'm working with an actor or actress, and I'm like, oh, say that, you know, because there's always the writer in my head. I always hear the audience in my head. I know when somet imes I go too far, but it's intentional and I know how to pull it back and I know how to lose the audience and bring them back. Than just deliberately to start off with a premise that really pisses them off and then your logic kind of brings them back in is amazing, right? Yes. But very difficult. It is. But I mean the pissing off bitches. But when you know you got the goods,, right? Yeah yeah. When you know you got it, I don't trip, you know, and and people that walk out early, you missed out on where the real nuggets are. It's always in the last two minutes of the set, like the last five minut es. It's like on a sitcom. You don't get the story beats until the last thirty last minute, twenty it twenty one minutes, then they go, now let's give 'em a little heart for about a a minute or two. And then you go back to a joke. But you know, I think you gotta stay around for the performances 'cause you you get to you know, you get to see what they cooked up. I remember watching w in fact I think you were there as well. We went to watch Bill Burr in London. Oh. He tame great. And he did a thing where the initial premise was uh I'm sick of people saying that no means no. It doesn't, right? Like he's talking about women because when women say no, it doesn't always mean no. And he lot, it was at the Royal Albert Hall. He lost 2500 people instantly, right? And then he brought them back. And it felt like you know when you're watching a comic and you're you're you get nervous for them because you just think you had this room is not with you at all. Yeah. And then but he knew that the bit he was doing and it was fucking amazing to watch that happen man. It was incredible. Yeah, I love Bill Burr. That happened to me just the other night. Really? Twice. In London, matter of fact. Both shows. Oh Wem was it is a Wembley? Wembley. Yeah, I I did something that just everybody's like, oh and I was like, Good. You're listening . And then, you know, cause sometimes I jab I I don't start with a jab, I start with a right hand, punch you in the face just cause I just want to stir things up. Yeah. And then I want to earn it back, right? I wanna know that you're listening. Yeah. And you w seeanna what kind of audience you got. So you start a little dark. Sometimes I start with the dark stuff first and then I get light. Or uh I could go light and then get dark, but yeah, why wait? Do you think what do you think about the uh my brother Damon , you know, is the sh showed us the power of true comedy when you can lose them and bring 'em back. Yeah. I mean I I love that in uh Damon's function every set. Yeah. Um, one of the things that comics keep getting asked is and you sort of alluded to it when you start talking about a scary movie, is that you know, the the idea of a fence in comedy uh and all of that stuff. Do you feel like is that made up or people that don't hit the stage? Don't executives, don't hit the stage. Social media, those people don't hit the stage. You can't tell me what to do with the audience. You can't judge jokes like that. You go to a comedy club, those people can judge a joke. When you go to a comedy club, people or uh a comedy show, people are still laughing. They're not talking about, oh, that was offensive. No, they are laughing. So to me, that whole cancel culture is just a bunch of bullshit. It's like um social media is like it's it it interrupts the laughter of a joke. Yeah. It's like if somebody's heckling you in the middle of your set at a live comedy show, that's what's that's equivalent to social media. It's like someone's talking in the middle of you trying to say something funny, they interrupted it, so they killed the joke. That's what's happening on social med ia. You know what's funny? Is I always look to cancel culture like this. If you cancel me, that's okay. Because my real audience will always come see me. The people that cancel you, y'all some bitch-ass niggas. The real niggas gonna stay around. You sensitive people, y'all shouldn't have came to this show in the first place. So, but if I tell a joke and you know to a thousand people and twelve people are offended. That's a great joke. Yeah. Good ratio. I killed it with that. Now if you if I tell a joke and nine hundred and eighty-eight people get up and walk out . I may want to get some new riders. I may want to rethink this buddy. But though then that was offensive, right? So you know, I I I I I try to make a joke that makes everybody laugh, but it's very rare that everybody's gonna laugh at the same time. Yeah. So you gotta hit these people, hit that sect of people, hit that sect of people, and then you bring them together to enjoy one big laugh together. Um, but you know, it's an art form, and I think you should respect art that comes from people that spend so much time on stage, so many times, so much time doing movies. Um, me and my brothers have worked two hundred years in this business and if you guys wanna see comedy, come see it from you know, guys that have been doing this for two hundred years. So we normally ask for like a viral moment or exclusive, whatever. So I'm d but I'm gonna cut to the chase here. What are the chances of there being a white chick's two? And would you ever consider it? 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