The Political Risk of Reconciling

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There's a lot of getting high on fum of their own victimhood, Charles Musk believed that making peace with Harry is the best thing for the monarchy Well, my lords, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Tom Sykes. This is the Ryalist. We are thrilled to have you with us What a week it has been. My goodness, it has been absolutely bonkers in the Royal News Ferminent. I have to say, my phone has not stopped buzzing and hopping. people in one ear and out the other Harry and Meghgan, what on earth is going on? What are they up to What is going on at the palace? We've all been trying to figure it out for the last few days. And what's so extraordinary about this story is the way that everything just keeps changing Just one moment it's this, the next moment it's that, one moment they're coming, the next moment they're not. So we've got Bosch on later to help us figure it all out As I say, it's been a crazy crazy week. I've been hard at work on my book, which I'm incredibly excited to be announcing in I think next week, I'll be able to tell you the title and show the cover and all of that and I'm super excited So I can't wait and thank you so much for all your support and all your nice comments We read all of your comments that come in. As you know, if you're a regular, I'm always here in the comments chatting away and getting involved. and for me, it's so important to see that you're loving it and you're enjoying it. and also you're actually my secret focus group. So if the stuff that you want me to cover or you want to hear about, or you want to hear more about Let me know in those comments. Right, without further ado, let's get into today's show And here is our royal rundown. So first up in the rooyal rundown our Royal News Udate Princess Catherine needed to get away from it all this weekend And who could blame her? Then it'll be time for tea with Tom Prince William shared some lovely memories about drinking tea with the late quQueen. Tom we have to cover that. And then our Royal insider Alison Bosoff, the one and only is with me to pass biggest royal story of the year. Harry and Meghan's cynical attempt to emotionally blackmail and ailing King Charles into giving them security Without further ado, let's get into our Royal News update we begin with the Princess of Wales, lovely, lovely Catherine, who this weekend pulled off something no member of the rooyal family has ever managed before She managed to get away from them all She spent the weekend climbing what's known as the threeree challenge, which the three highest mountains in England, Scotland and Wales they' very underwhelming by American standards. But the you know, Ben Nevis, Scafflepike and Snowden and you have to do the whole thing in under twenty four hours for Free peeaks challenge and she did it And it's actually pretty cool and they' photed lovely photos of her going up the mountain bumping into other groups of climbers. she set off on Saturday And by the time she finished, she had become the first member of the royal family ever to complete the National Th Peaks Challenge So she marked it with a post quite a long one. U dedicated to everyone who has heard in her words, the words no one wants to hear, . e talking about her cancer diagnosis that she got in twenty twenty four She posted these photographs of her on the summit of Ben Nevis in her wind proof jacket, very unglamorous a nasty Scottish weather And I think like what's very striking about this is that while all this other drama' going on that we're going to get into later with Harry and Meghan. It's very much keep calm and climb a mountain, you know and has sort of think that P just really connect with her now. and I think that particularly obviously anyone who's been through cancer or had family or friends who've been through cancer, which is, let's face it, all of us you know, feel that kind of emotional spiritual connection with her that she's expressing, maybe not so much a connection with her, but that she's expressing that sort of emotional spiritual side of recovery from cancer. And of course As I say, you know, we all at this stage know someone who's been through it or had family go through it It has become a real theme for both her and Ch and Charles and I think that they are becoming really brilliant advocates for it because I do think that twenty years ago If you were told that you had cancer, you know, you were told that a friend or family member had cancer It was often considered terminal, you know. And I think what they have made clear by their example at the very sort of height of public service is that it's not at all these days and right, Katherine's in remission. She's cancer free. Charles, we know still has cancer, but he seems to be living a pretty great life. And as I've reported on the Royalist His doctors are really encouraged by how well he's doing. Lots of people around him think he could live out his natural lifespan U So good for Catherine. She is joint patron of the Royal Mararsden So And she wrote, I thought quite movingly about sort finding balance between effort and acceptance. and It's yeah, it's a bigig few weeks coming up for her as well. Don't forget we've got Wimbledon coming up in the next couple of weeks and It's really, I think, a genuinely impressive weekend's work from the Princess of Wales. and a useful reminder that some members of the family spend their time climbing mountains for charity rather than briefing the newspapers all day. Okay, that's our Royal news update Now let's move on to tea with Tom Joining me this week is none other than Queen Elizabeth II. Yes, indeed. because The Prince of Wales, Prince William has said that his late grandmother gave him a love of tea timee that I didn't know I needed as he contributed a personal video message to a digital memorial for Queen Elizabeth II. Now tea, I should clarify, means different things in different jurisdictions. In England, it typically means a piece of toast, perhaps with some butter and jam on it and a cup of tea at around about half past four or five o'clock Because I know what we'll really need in our lives is a fourth meal, right? Often with a slice of cake Tea was a really important thing for Queen Elizabeth. It was you could be invited to all the state dinners you liked, but when you were invited for tea, you knew that you'd really made it into the inner circle And there was a private entrance at Buckingam Palace where you could go up and Re only her favorites kind you know, Sarah Chatto, people like that would be invited for te And but Prince William, of course, was a regular fatig when he was a student at Eaton College, which is I would say it's about a twelve minute walk from Windsor Castle. You just go up Eon High Street over the river and then you're in Windsor Castle And he would go there for on Sunday afternoons. for regular meetings with his grandmother, which were tea, but they were also King lessons effectively and incredibly influential in William's development, in his understanding of what his duties as monarch and indeed as Prince of Wales are In fact, much greater influence on him than his father He was quite a distant figure, shall we say, during his childhood and his teenage years had other things on his mind, shall we say and And u so I think this you can see it in this u clip of William standing in Winds Castle and he says, it's a privilege to know the late Queen best than the most Some of my fondest memories of my grandmother are from here in Winter. I remember many a quiet afternoon having tea with her and my grandfather at the castle chatting, sharing stories and seeing how completely at eached she was here, surrounded by family and her much loved dogs and horses to this day It' given me a love of tea time that I never knew I needed Well Absolutely Ta. there can be nothing more magnificent be associated with Queen Elizabeth II and a delicious of Radiohead Motion Picture House, Kadamesia movie and art installation Experience, has been extended due to popular demand through july twelfth at the Brooklyn Navy Yard Buy your ticket today at radiohead. com And now it's time from Royal Insider Wow, folks now to the main event. I know it's what you've all been waiting for and I'm delighted to say that our royal insider joining us this week is the one and only editor at large of the Daily Mail, Allison Boschoff, an amazing showbiz expert, an amazing Harry and Meghan expert and I think there's nobody that I am looking forward to more having a real gossip te. for the next half hour. about what has happened with this Harry and Meghgan Tour to the United Kingdom, the ong, off again, on again tour. Just to catch up those of you who've spent the last few days not following this On Friday, the Sussex Office sent the world's media a detailed operational note And I'm sure Allison will stand by with this. I mean there's nothing more sacred in journalism really than an operational note. U you know, people don't publish them, people don't leak them. It's a precise minute by minute rundown Everything Meghan and Harry were doing. It said that the children were coming It said Meghan and the children were coming back to Britain. It was the biggest royal story of the year Obviously it had been hyped for days and days before this. finally, it's confirmed on Friday evening twentywenty hours later, at six o'clock on Saturday afternoon, they blew it all up, a leak to the sun saying that Mean and the kids probably weren't coming after all because they'd been denied a security package Although it was weird because the operational notes said that they hadn't got security, but it was no obstacle and they were going to be able to figure it out. So That's where we are. And now as we are recording this on Monday, and I can tell you that as of right now, Kamp Sussex is saying that it's all going ahead as planned and that the operational note stands and that You know, everything's going to happen and everyone's working hard to make it happen exactly the way it happened I'm Alison, I mean, it's an extraordinary extraordinary situation, isn't it? And you had an amazing rapport this week about how much planning and preparation and work had gone into this visit on both sides and talk to us a bit about what you were able to discover about The arrangement really the accommodation that was being made with the Sussex to allow them to sort of geo cash, I think was the word used their operations. and why it was such a shock when it all seemed to fall apart and even more of a shock if it's all back on again now And nothing I mean, the crazy world of the Sussex just got even crazier. You know, you literally, you know, I've never known any any entity that can create this amount of chaos, media chaos, pure media chaos Yeah, so I spoke to someone who is friends with Harry and is a really you know, warm and great supporter of him thinks he's a tremendous chap, you know, all this kind of very kind of British, you know, he's a good fellow, you know, ism. And I didn't know great expectations of the talk. I said, you know, can you tell me what's actually going to happen over the week or six days And this person said, Oh, well, you know, it's mostly just going to be a low key family visit was the repeated phrase I said, okay,, okay And then you know, he'll do invictus just with Meghgan, not the kids. I said, oh okay, well, that's all interesting and we were kind of going back and forth about This is what, you know, everybody really wants this, The king really wants this. I said, just, Isn't there a problem? Be that tour in Australia, which we all remember You know, they were kind of cosplaying as royals and then Meghan was selling the shirt, she wore to go to that. Bondai Beach Massacre andortal, you know, it just was it was bad. It was really, it would just kind of proved why the Sundringham Smmit had said, you can't be half in half out. I said, how do they square that circent? And this guy said and I do think he knows, he said Harry's belief. is that there's that in some circles, not everyone is on board of this. in some circles, going to be allowed to draw a line What happens in the U.S and elsewhere in the world is that he can go and do is crazy royal and sell things. and as long as in the UK, he keeps his nose clean plays in the phrase with a straight bat. There is no merching, there is no mention of jam. Nobody brings a pot of jam to the king and then talks about it afterwards In those circumstances, he then gets to come back and be part of the royal family and be what he always said he was, you know, in Australia, I'm a working royal He gets to kind of gets to do that. so he gets what he always wanted So Allison, exactly and I read that piece with great interest because it seemed to mesh with what I It was A being told, but B was like the observable fact, right? was that they'd done all this monetizing of their name. been, as you say, I think it was actually in Ukraine where he said I'm still a working royal, not in Australia, but de facto They've been doing the merching and the selling in Australia, then they've been and then they're being welcomed back and rewarded with accommodation in a royal palace. It seemed very clear to me that Harry had completely won that the king had completely rolled over and had agreed to comprehensive renegotiation of the Sandingham suummit at the very least. and I just feel like is going to go And let's assume for the sake of argument, as I say, it's now Monday afternoon when we're recording this to go out on Tuesday As of right now, Sussex is saying Oh, the trip's going happen. everybody's working hard to make it happen. The operational note still sounds. just for the sake of not driving ourselves totally crazy, let's assume that it does happen. and by the way I've said since they first started leaking this that I think in some shape or form it will happen because I think Megan it's absolutely desperate to have proximity and adjacency to the rooyal family to juce her brand again. But assuming this trip does happen in broadly the parameters that have been painted for us, and broadly they get a royal palace to stay in and broadly They get welcomed by the king and they get to meet the king, whether or not there's a phosograph That is the end of the Santram suummit. That is theot renegotiation of Mexit, isn't it? And in a way, that's what makes it all the more extraordinary that they've chosen to blow it up in this way That's what I really couldn't believe because it was clear from talking to the source that this was something that they'd been working on for so long It was, it's not just the last time which was, you know Is it a cup of tea or is it the treat of Versailles as someone in the palace said rather waspishly It's not just a meeting with someone who's announced they're ill. This is a different matter. this is a a visit of enormous symbolic and actual importance whether this goes ahead or not, which is why I do think that they are going to move heaven and earth to make it actually happen because what my person said to me they've been planning is since January. And as soon as I heard January, I thought, oh, because then it all clicks into place. You know the speech about Ukraine. And then three days later there's Charlesont in front of Donald Trump And then this the anti Semitism. And then twenty four hours later Charles following suit and you can see Harry they're in lockstep and my contact said Harry's been proving that he's grown up. He's been proving that he can be trusted. Well, that was how he did it. That's the observable fact that means that my source was telling the truth they have been working hand in glog with people, some people, who like them in Charles's court And you know, this is the result. this is the fruit of that. So this is, you know, this is not just a visit. This is not just planning, o, where do you want to leave your suitcase? This is more. this is actually a reintroduction. into the family and the institution. I totally, totally agree. And again, you know, assuming that this does happen which let's for now assume that it does. I think We both agree that Meghan will be absolutely desperate to get back alongside the British royal family That's the point that I was making and picking up on. I was like This isn't just like a isolated visit. This is an establishment of precedent, you know, that word that the royal familyily love so much. And if Harry and Meghgan and the kids can come back to the UK, if the precedent is that they do get to stay at Buckingham Palace or St. James's Palace or wherever they go, U That is a huge, huge accomplishment for them in terms of I mean, I happen not to think it's a great idea for the monarchy But it's a huge accomplishment for them and not without massive political risk to Charles, right? Because this is so incredibly unpopular. I mean, that's what I feel like just talk to anybody about this on the street. It's so unpopular, isn't it, Alison? Yeah, I mean in the words of the hit Netflix Romcom, nobody wants this. I mean, honestly, nobody wants this It is hugely unpopular. and you do wonder, you know, why would you expend your political capital if you're the king on doing this? but You know, someone has decided and he has agreed or he's decided and someone has agreed that this is in the best interests of the monarchy All the choices that are being made are for this reason, what is the best way to protect and preserve the monarchy And Charles Musk believed that making peace with Harry is the best thing for the monarchy. Honey, what are you listening to, Mom? Your teen might not share everything with you, but teens share everything with each other. And certain everyday behaviors like sharing food, drinks, or kisses, could mean sharing bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis. Although meningitis is uncommon, about one in ten who develop it will die. Ask your teen's doctor about missing meningitis vaccinations Learn more at meningitis. com. Vaccination may not protect all recipients, sponsored by GSK. I mean, you could see his point, right? I mean, you can see his point going back to Victoria and Albert and George VI and We four and you know, Elizabeth and her Christmases and all that kind of thing. Like there's always been this a model family at the heart of the Royal family and so it's like You know, we're like any other family. We have our arguments and we get over it and we pull together and we patch it up. And I do understand But for Charles, he doesn't want his legacy to be leaving this family with this massive hole sort of ripped through the middle of it I just think that what happened this weekend with them briefing that they couldn't come unless they got their ra excurity. I mean, if I hear one more time about their R, I mean like Guys, you're not getting Rvx security. You've been to court three times. It's six years since you had it. like that's the status quo. You can't pretend that the continuation of the status quo is like a massive bolt from the blue. do you know what I mean? It's like But what I felt about the way that they behavave this weekend, throwing the whole thing into doubt, creating all this drama, you know, we've seen in the mail today, actually, them des describing it as tiresome psychorama I thought it was a really clear illustration to Charles of why It's a massive mistake to bring these guys back inside the tent Well, it's a massive risk. We'll find out if it's a mistake or not, right? But it is a massive risk. And this is from someone who I don't think is you know is a kind of peril seeking risk lover So it is very interesting to get to this point, isn't it? And you know I always look at these things partly through the lens of, you know your own family, how would you feel? Wouldn't you know you want your dad to reach out and make up and be that? someomeone's got to be the bigger person. I talk about this with the Beckham family, which is, you know, sort of comparable in some ways. But in another way, it's nothing like because as I said earlier, this is about what is good for the monarchy. and someone has decided actually know the quQeen got it wrong It's better actually to make up with Harry than to have him out It's so interesting isn't it? Allison's got an amazing we' allowed to say about your amazing book about the Beckham' coming out later this year. Yeah, yeah. know I can't wait to read that. I mean, that story is incredible as well, But the parallels are extraordinary. You know, they are really extraordinary. The parallels between Beckhams and all that stuff that You know, Brooklyn said about how being commercialized without his consent Like all of that completely mirrored all the stuff that Harry said, you know, from the witness box of the Royal Courts of Justice when he was saying that, you know, he'd been made to perform this role and had been put on show by this institution and he wasn't allowed to express his own that he was this kind of sock puppet for this bigger brand. I mean The parallels are absolutely extraordinary between the Beckhams and the and the Harry situation What I find and you're very diplomatic saying that somebody has decided that this is the way forward. I mean, I think we know it's the king has decided because I mean, the queen was pretty clear There could be absolutely, you know, no mixing of you know, the commercial and the public service. William, we know, I mean, both sides actually will tell you that there is zero contact between William and Harry. And we, you know, I've been told and I've reported that William has very much directly blamed, but has argued that there is a causative link, shall we put it, between the stress that Harry put them under and Catherine's illness and indeed his father's illness I'm But obviously he's more concerned with Catherine, his wife and the mother of his children. Yeah. I mean, Harry has absolutely heaped misery. on everyone's heads you know, personal misery and, well, you know, professional misery, misery onto the institution as well as it' been, you know withithout question, I mean, what He has done what he's put people through people who he said he loved, you know, and I keep remembering how close he was to Catherine as well as William. You know he used to glow in her company. You know, when you saw the three of them together before he had A serious girlfriend. Yeah, there was such a close trio. just, you know, incredible And I think you're right. I I think the thing with Catherine is what ht William hurt them so much, particularly at the time of the book came out, I was told that they were particularly upset by the thing about the Nazi uniform where Harry said that you know, it was all their fault, basically, because they'd laughed at it I mean, it was it was weird and actually that thing of like Everything being someone else's fault You look at this, like they organized a tour of the United Kingdom when the status quo was that they did not have security. They'd been told repeatedly by the courts that they were not getting security. And now they're kind of blaming some weird shadowy cabal led apparently by Clive Alderton, who is a very affable, harmless, you know almost a civil servant, really who's the king's private secretary, who's the kind of you know ring leader of some stark cabal inside the p. I mean it just, you know, everything is someone else's fault. He wears a Nazi uniform, it's William and Catherine's fault He messes up his own planning for a trip to you know, it's Clive Aldton's fault. I mean there's a bit in the book where he shaves his head and that somehow becomes William's fault. I mean, it it's incredible, isn't it? It's like They just the inability to just sort of I don't know, just the sort of immaturity really of like just everythingverything' someone else's fault. And I was going to say just to you, those of us who have children will know that, you know, in that kind of toddler era There is exactly that where everything is blamed on somebody else. and part of parenting is you actually have to teach your children to take responsibility for what it is that they have done. It's kind of, you know, one of the early lessons that one of the only battles you have as a parent Yeah, I wm I don't know. 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I mean, sure, they might have to get a slightly fancier Uber from the airport than the rest of us might have to get. but It just felt to me at the weekend, like when they did all that stuff and leaked to the stuff saying, oh, actually now suddenly we can't come because we haven't got our Ravk security It just felt to me like a really blatant attempt and a really actually mean attempt to kind of bounce Charles or to kind of emotionally blackmail Charles into intervening in the security decisions of the British state. And I think for all my criticisms, Charles, I think to his eternal credit He has just consistently said, I'm not going to do that. You know, I'm not going to intervene in that. Yeah, that's a line, isn't it? And Harry seems to be intent on trying to by one way or another getting to cross the line. So I think it started where it started a long time ago You know, last week on Wednesday, the sun had a story that said uh, you know Harry's coming because you know Par has said it'll be okay with the security. and we were like, o what does this mean And then here the palace sources said, No, no, there's no change in the security. So we're like, Oh, okay, But then Harry is still coming. and then Harry's not coming Yeah, and it just feels intensely, intensely manipulative, as you say, very unpleasant U, I mean, either he's preay to terrible irrational paranoia, Harry, or he's exceedingly manipulative and has been lying and trying to in a bit to try and bounce his unwell father into doing something which he knows full well his father doesn't want to do. I mean, either way round, it's really unpleasant But funny enough, I'm told that by good sources that Actually a lot of this is coming from Meghgan And that while it's often voiced as Harry saying that he wants Meghan and the children protected Harry's actually pretty relaxed about his security at home in California. He has David Langers or whatever he's called who is his bodyguard who sort of follows him around But they're kind of almost like mates really at this stage And I'm told that the production around Meghan, when she goes out or goes to do various things, is much more u know much more of a production, put it that way without going into too many details. And I just I do feel that there is a Confusion I feel that I just feel that they don't really want security. I just feel that they really want status. And I just I cannot shake that feeling. I mean, obviously they want to be safe. We all want to be safe There's no such thing as one hundred percent safety, and it just feels to me like They're just eternally offended They got the status connected with the security takeway. And of course, don't forget we saw that in the A interview where Meghan said that her children had to have princely titles because that was the only way they could get security. I mean, complete nonsense. It does sort of give a window into this kind of rarazzled reasoning that's going on that's always trying to make an excuse for actually what they really want is status, isn't it? There's a lot of getting high on the fumes of their own victimhood, certainly. and there always has been a lot of getting higher on the fumes of their own victimhood. I mean, I would say with my long decades of covering show business and you, you deal with the whole stagus and security question This is absolutely true. Some people, I mean, I can tell you for now, Victoria Beckham, for instance, loves security. and the other spice girls go about their business with nothing approaching the security that Victoria Beckham has always wanted has always demanded and people do believe that this is actually because its status, because it signals We are very important Now, you probably can't talk about this as an employee of the Daily Mail, but I will just tell people that I did have an exclusive at the weekend that the judgment in Harry's court case against associated newspapers is expected. I'm told imminently, I'm told it is already with the lawyers that the lawyers already know and may even have known on Friday evening I don't think you have to be a complete legal genius to see that Harry's case fell away in court where he was kind of you know, revealed really to have, if not lied, certainly misled the judge when it came to the kinds of relationships that he'd had with journalists, particularly Charlotte Griffiths and Katie Nichol Um So I think that's an added to think about if they're going to be face some kind of legal humiliation on Wednesday or Thursday, I don't think That will be particularly good. But obviously Anison as an employee at the mail, you can't We wouldn't dream of asking you about that. I'm involved in the case, so I will be one of the people who will be notified when it's on its way I was dragged into over Sadady cross. so And I had to go to the high court. It was interesting the judge was getting very peeved and very impatient with Harry and some of the others wasn't he U yes, the timing could be really bad for them. It could be, it could be really, really bad. And I think that I think that in a way, what I think is that I think there was a vision where it all worked out and he was the dragon sllayer again and it was a massive triumph. and he was on the steps of the High Court and Meghan was there next to him holding his arm and they had their Rvx security. I mean, that's obviously the dream story. I mean, we know that certainly parts of that are not happening. Of course, we're not going to second guess what that what that judgment will be. and I'm sure it's, you know, not not a obviously a certain trepidation for you waiting for that as well. But it's just it just feels like if you wanted a lesson on how to take, you know, how to snatch Feet. from literally the jewws of victory this this briefing to the newspapers at the weekend said, Oh, maybe we're not going to come after all. and then now briefing on Monday saying, Ohh yeah, we are coming. we are coming. I mean What are you trying to What you trying to achieve guys other than to put a really unfair amount of pressure on your father to intervene in something that he's repeatedly told you that he just can't do. He just cannot do it. He cannot intervene in it I know. but it is mean it makes me laugh because you know, when you talk about the old half in, half out, I mean, that's the briefing note. It's in, it's out, it's in, it's out, there're in, there're out. I mean, you know. as I said, as agents of chaos, they are absolutely unequed Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy moocha raappuccino drink? or a sweet vanilla? Smooth caramel, maybe, orr white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks Rrappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries I think that it's going to be one of the rooms. Okay. so if I had to put my money on it, I bet what's going to happen I bet that one way or another Meghan and the kids are going to get that meeting with the king. Everybody has said to me that I'm completely mad saying that I think there might be a photograph, but I actually think that there might be a photograph. Now I don't rate it highly. I mean I'd say tencent twenty percent. that there might be a photo. but and the reason that I think there might be a photo is because the royal family loves to communicate in symbols because they're very hard to misinterpret. actuallyually, for Charles's purposes, which as we talked about right at the beginning, Allison, when you said, you know that somebody by whom I think you meant Charles or people in his court had decided that making peace with Harry was the best thing for the royal family to do there can be no clearer symbol that you have made peace And that you've reabsorbed this sort of troublesome Duke and Duchess, then a lovely photo, kids' faces facing forward for the camera, big smiles on, you know, I mean, it would be something, wouldn't it That would be the perfect time to do the big reveal of the kids' faces, wouldn't it? What I heard was that photo The important thing about the photo is it won't be taken by Harry or Meghgan or by their side. I think I agree with you. I think there could be a photo. But it will be Charles. So you know, Harry's been told, you know, no merching, no shenanigans. Okaykay. So that means no, you know, here's our camera crew. There is a camera crew who will be following him at Invictorus, by the way. Mmhm. Oh yeah I'm told, but Yeah, there could easily be a photo. and, you know, and And it will be a sweet photo and you know, Koooo's a five year old noobody. You know, you have to be a monster, right? I mean, you know, the kids if the kids are in the picture can't actually go there. Even the people who really dislike just like Harry and Meghan and there are a lot of them I don't think you can boo picture of a grandfather with his grandchildren. Well, the Republic did it the other day at the trooping the cololor, didn't they? The other thing about the camera crew that I've heard because you know then there's this proposed trip to Athorpe, which is closed on the tenth and eleventh of July. Be I've been told repeatedly that there is indeed a thirtieth anniversary Diana documentary coming So it seems to me like they'd be minded to try and grab some B roll of them all going on the boat over to the island to visit the grave. I mean of course we had that very very melodramatic description of Meghan visiting the grave in spare, you know, where Harry goes away and she communes with Dina's spirit and comes back ten minutes later and she's kneeling on the grave with her hands on the on the memorial right now. mean by that? I'm amazed I was was presented in a c I mean, you know, in all seriousness, I mean it is an awful tragedy. but it was presented in a very milving way that did invite sniggering at the back of the class, I didn't it? Yeah It did, it did. it did. It the best time not in the best possible taste, but I do think that it, you know, I think that If, if They say, okay, well, we are actually going to video us at orthor for the you know, as part of this trip How does that fit, you think with the GeO caching? does that because it doesn't happen on a public royal palace. I mean, but ultimately I think it just makes this case that Charles has kind of surrendered really and that he's just let them get away with it. And I think it is a massive slap in the face to William who's really done nothing. I mean he's asked very little of his father, hasn't he? He's put up with Camilla You know, he's never said a word about Camilla despite having a fair few things to say He's been very loyal to his father, and really all that he's asked really is that Harry and Andrew be kept. away from the monarchy. I mean, I think it's tough on William, don't you I think it is tough on him. and What's really tough on him is that when When the precedident is established, when it is that Harry is a regular visitor, and you know guess what he comes to say, and he's in a palace and he has this kind of security and he's comfortable with it. And by the way, we can't really stop him from doing publicity with the Speners awful because that's his family. and you know you can't really get involved in that, dear boy. When that's all established, and the king then passes. that leaves William in the position that he you know, continuation is the simplest and anything he does If he wants to have some self determination in this relationship He's going to have to really fight it and it's going to be very difficult and make him look bone I completely agree. I think it's a really unfair precedent. I think it's a really unfair settlement to hand to William who said they made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to I really feel and I do like for all of my sympathy for Charles as a human. he' spent thirty years reminding us that he is a human You know, and a forgiving and Christian human at that But for all my sympathy for that, I do feel that ultimately Charles's responsibility is to his heir And whatever way you cut it, we are certainly in the last two decades of Charles' reign, right? Let's be really optimistic And it's time, you know, whatever happens is he Charles is always going to be a transitional monarch. He was always going to be a transitional monarch between Elizabeth and William. And I just feel like his job in that role is to His responsibility is to William is not to Harry Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's a that's a a view that anybody reasonable would have and that actually all of these elements that are going to have a transitional significance really ought to be done hand in glove by the King and Prince William. And not I'm not a royal expert, but it doesn't look like that's happening So you know, that's one for another day for you to unpack what's going on and why There why, you know, father and son aren't more more cohesively aligned We'll totally get into that. Alison, thank you so much for joining the Royalist. Alison has a wonderful substack. You can see the QR code now popping up on your screen. if you're watching us on YouTube, if you're watching it listening on one of the audio platforms, you'll just have to Google it Allison, what is the Beckham book called and when's it coming out B bllessed you, it's called Brand Beckham. It's at august thirteenth, Aood bookshops I literally can't wait. There is some sub in there about David's relationship with King Charles as well. So it is actually New and interesting, but yeah I canan't wait. Thank you so much, Allison. Goodbye Well, folks, thank you so much for being here. I really enjoyed that conversation with Allison. What was your favorite bit of the show today? Let us know in the comments below. As you know, I read all your comments. And I think we've got one of the best communities going here on YouTube If you want to show your support even more, please do consider subscribing to my substack, the Royalist. It's a subscription newsletter and you get one free newsletter a week guaranteed. We do also have a membership program here on the YouTube channel. If you again, just if you want to show your support, that's all it's really for at this moment in time Thank you though, to all of you for liking, for subscribing for sharing our videos. 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