Communicating with Friends Beyond the Veil

Because you're listening to this podcast, I know you've got a curious mind. and here's a helpful fact you might not know yet Drivers who switch and save with prorogressive save over nine hundred dollars on average H over to progressive. com, answer some questions and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by. In fact, ninety nine percent of their auto customers earn at least one discount Visit progressive. com and see if you can enjoy a little cash back. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, National average twelve month savings of nine hundred and forty six dollars by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between June of twenty twenty four and may twenty twenty five potential, savings will vary. Hey everyone, and welcome back to the talkal tracks. Today we have Tasha and Sopfy and their daughter Sarah. Sara is a proud disability advocate and for most of her life, she's been struggling through an undiagnosed condition. It's been very difficult for their family. and today we're going to talk about their journey and Sara's incredible experiences with the other side in the non physical world that has really changed what her family believes is possible. So right now on the couch have Tasha and Saraya, and later we'll bring in Safie, Sara's dad. So welcome to the talkal tracks. Hi everyone, I'm Kai Digens and welcome to The Talk Tracks, brought you Wekly from TTT Media. In this series, we explore the threads that weave together our understanding of reality Science, spirituality, consciousness, and yes, even unexplained phenomena, like psciabilities. We examine the mysteries that sit just beyond the edge of what science can currently explain alongside researchers, thinkers, families, and experiencers. If you haven't yet listened to the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything that we'll be exploring Every era has ideas once dismissed as impossible until someone was willing to investigate them seriously. and on this show do just that. If you want to see our incredible guest in person, we have a video version of this episode on the teelepathy Tapes YouTube page And again, it's just like us having a conversation. Think about this is your moment to say whatever you want into the world. Oh no. So why don't we first start by just introducing both of you? For you, like what grade are you in, how old you are, where you live, where you're from, who's in your family? Just a quick intro. Okay My name is Sa and I am thirirteen years old and I'm in Ward You're in eighth grade, eighth grade. Sorry, forget what grade I'm in. That's. It's okay And I'm Tasha. Sariah's mom. I'm a Mom to three girls. Sis Ri is a middle sister. She's got an older sister who's sixteen, a younger sister who's eleven. I am also a pediatrician and book author And your husband's a doctor as well, correct? Yes. He is an orthopedic canc surgeon. Yes. Wow And when you walked in today, let me restate that. When you rolled in today, you had a very cool sign on the back of your wheelchair. Can you tell me what your sign said and why you put it there Okay, so since I have like social anxiety and people there or they say, look, that's a wheelchair. My, um Sounds like if you have any questions about Like my disability or my wheelchair ask me and I've been asked those questions until I was likeike I just did not want to go out of the car because of social anxiety and staring and kind of stuff that made me kind of think that and I was like I literally telling my mom on's like Please write it down. I can'not leave this card because I just can't do it. I just can't. I have social anxiety too. I think a lot of us do, right? It's hard being in a new place or new people. Because like I'm quiet sometimes and then I talk a lot. which just kind of depends. Yeah Awesome. So let's talk a little bit about your history. L mayaybe Tasha tell us about when Sorah was born. Yes. And maybe we can talk a little bit about like your journey, like growing up, what you wanted to be, you know, what you wanted to do, like what your dreams were, and then how and when the diagnosis came into play and how that affected you and your family Yes and I can tell some of the history. and just for those that are listening, sometimes it takes a lot for Sariah to talk. and as, we're going to go back and forth. Yes. that It is never to cut Saraya off, but her mouth sometimes gets tired just from talking. And so when she was born, we actually were not aware that she was going to have any medical issues or any additional needs. But when she was born, she was born smaller than we expected. And so that was a surprise. mostostly because I'm a pediatrician, and so I felt pretty hyper vigilant about all of the things that I was putting into my body, everything. And so when she was born smaller than her sister It raised a little bit of a concern for me. I was very much quickly reassured that it was, you know, just in my head, just overthinking things And I also felt like when I breastfed that she got tired really easily. and again, it was kind of quickly reassured, You just graduated, you're overthinking this. She's fine Fast forward to the two month appointment of her Well childild visit I could not get her to take a bottle and I had to go back to work full time. And I brought this up to the pediatrician and at that time, she's like, you're just so good at breastfeeding. She's not going to starve herself when You have to take her to daycare. So fast forward, four month appointment now. I've been back at work for a month and my ten hour work days, she's being force fed one ounce by the daycare workers and I'm nursing her throughout the night We get to the appointment And she is what we call failure to Thrive. She is not gaining weight and I am feeling like many Motherers' like, I'm not doing enough and this is my fault. And so I'm told. And what month checkup was it? Four months four month Go ahead and feed your solid food. And as a pediatrician, you know we say you can give food at four months, but I felt like she wasn't like strong enough and wasn't ready. But at that point it just was like, do what what you're told. I surrendered and I'm like fine, I will do it. And so we gave her solid food and I don't know what about it made me want to record it. It's almost like I knew it wasn't going to go well And I recorded it and she was sweating and she started making this noise like u And that noise is actually called strider And at that point it was my like stopping point where I recorded it, I sent it to the pediatrician and I said, I want a swallow study ordered. Granted, I had no idea what I was looking for, but I just like knew that like there was something. I was like, I know there's something going on. And at five months when she did the swallow study, it was shown that she was aspirating, which just means that it's going down into her lungs versus her stomach That in itself led to a lot of red flags because now we have a child that's not gaining weight that is sweating with feeds, feeding difficulties and aspirating And it sets off a whole bunch of what diagnosis is this? So it went from nobody being concerned to We actually think she has some rare condition that could actually shorten her life. And the first thing they thought it was was something called spinal muscular atrophy, which at that time there was not a cure for. And so they were actually preparing us that she would pass away in the first year of life. my gosh. We were stationed out in Virginia at that time, my husband's former military And he had just gotten his orders to serve in Afghanistan. And so we were meeting with genetic counselors, meeting with everybody like, okay, are you going to try to have another child if Sara passes away and all these questions like We went from nothing to everything and we got in for a lot of testing. The SMA testing was negative. Then they looked for other diseases like adrenalukidystrophy, Rhett's syndrome, Zellwager's disease, disorders of neurotransmitters. All of these things that I had briefly learned about for my board exams that I knew were all bad And they were all negative which was great However, as two physicians trying to navigate life, we wanted to really try to fix this. And it became very evident after a three year journey of looking for every type of testing that was coming back inconclusive that we were likely not going to have an answer But even more so than not having a diagnosis, realizing that this wasn't going away Her treatment really was therapies, speech, OT, physical therapy. We had nine subspecialists at that time because we knew every system of her body was impacted. but she was making enough progress where We had no signs that her life was going to be limited But we also had no signs that this was going away. How was she eating at that time not to cut you off? No, she ended up getting a GTube at seven months of age and she still has one today. She this is a part of her that we absolutely love the G tube in the sense of it's kept her alive. Like literally everyone ases me like, can you eat food? Yes, I can eat food. Yeah, I think a lot of times it's almost like the wheelchair where people see you in a wheelchair and they assume that you cannot walk if you have a wheelchair and they see you with the G tube that you must not be able to eat at all where there's there's a nice mix. So up until age three we had gone on this Odyssey and then we actually got to a place of acceptance where She has something? But she's doing well. It's time to create some new dreams and We ended up moving to Cincinnati from where we were stationed in Virginia because they have one of the best children's hospitals. and it's actually where I trained for my residency. And so it was that nice comfort of being back in the Midwest is f. Yes. And we knew that they were used to seeing the zebras. And what I mean by that is the rare. We wanted to be surrounded by people that were interested in cutting edge science, research, therapies And there we landed and we planned on this life where Sariah may live with us forever and or she may not Or she may work at the mall. We knew that she would do something in customer service. You wanted to do lots of things, I feel Yeah, and my doctor did say like I might be living for a long time. Yeah. We that stays that way. Yeah the rest of my life. But yeah I never know unexpected it's gonna come in. So Sorayah, what do you want to be when you grow up Okay I think was a Like I was kind of more of a Figuring out what I want, what What do I? What's my l like lifestyle? And I was like Wow, let's see This is like a lot of jobs think games like Maybe I should have three jobs, maybe. That's pretty typical on today's society. I was like, you know why? let's just do something because I just I like to be that inbitious kind of person. I was like You know what? N be a hairstylist and I will be a singer and the narrs just like kind of Figuring out everything, I think Other one is makeup artists Yeah, I think those were the three ones I wanted to do and like I always talk about my dream lifestyle, like Lillary we were talking about that in the car. Yeah about like what cars do I want? or just something like that? Yeah, we learned that she wants a motorcycle. Jeep. And how are you doing now I think it's Definitely overwhelm and definitely challenging in my physical life because I was not expecting what's gonna what was happening in my health kind of lifestyle and I I I don't know what it's going to look like Fet is good How do you feel in your body during the day? Do you feel discomfort Okay, so and you can be honest. Yeah because this is like Also this year too U I think sometimes My muscle is physically tight. sometometimes I can feel it, sometimes I don't But um, Usually I'm tired wiped but definitely talking a lot and on my screen a lot Like she used to be out and about. She used to be walking and moving a. I used to go outside and do kids stuff Sometimes when a body starts to feel phhysically restrained or limited Other things open up for us that are more in the spiritual realm or mental realm. Has any of that happened for you D I do have spirituality C he age and I think I told my parents like, hey, I see spirits or anything like that. I experience it still now more often it's common are personal But Like sometimes we'll see like lights or like other things that are so called like miracles And Tasha, when was the first time you heard Ses start talking about this type of thing? And what was the first what were the first few becausecause I was not ready to tell them quite yet. but when I was ready I was like Hey, I have spirituality and I haven told you guys that. What do you mean by spirituality? So I call it spirituality because like I think it's hard for you to name what it is and I think that people call it different things. Yeah peopleeople can call it like energies, people can just like I think every peoplee who have spirituality experience it way differently. mee is more a I'm more in that unique kind of opponent and like I can like I don't see what they're wearing, but I can hear them. I can hear footsteps air moving Back and forth And that happens a lot with me And It's part of my life that I personally was not Baxing and I say a lot of like I see like my family members or I would see like My dad's friends or My dad's, my mom's uncle that used to party a lot and My mom's like, that's a different story. That' tell you the story behind that. 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L what's the palette of what you would see I think I would see person like I definitely give an example. like I was Telling my mom this name and We searched it and o a real person that was giving cart to another woman, but we on there, they didn't really say how she died But I think she had a heart condition and so That was like really unexpected. I think Like she was able to give us a name, a first name and a last name. Y of somebody that she had connected with. And then I and then I looked up the name and there was an article of this teen female who she had passed away and her family had donated her heart to another woman. And so that really impacted us as parents. I was not expecting that. Okay. Okay, and that was your new friend for a while.. I still say it in my house or anywhere or like anyone who had a person pass away I would orrder to byy a Klea C tell What they're saying or we get a number or when she says automatically, she can do it all the time. Like I can ask her about anybody and she can take a second to try to connect. Yeah and there has been times where she's like, no that person w. So it's not like it's not just what Soriah wants to do. and I'm starting to learearn more as she shares in the way that Sariah shares But she from it sounds like it is just open. So like when she's in our house, she says, Ohh, there's so many that are here. And I always say If you're overwhelmed, I hear and I'm trying to learn so I can like guide her that you can like close that off if it's over stimulating. She's like, nope, I don't mind it And then yeah, I still do it. I will say the first time that My husband and I realize that there is some sort of connection with Soriah to the other side was actually when she was a baby. And this was in a moment of my pure utmost desperation. She was an infant and when she was an infant, She would not sleep And we would have to toube feed her every three hours, but she had reflux, so then she would throw up then we would have to Look at how much she threw up and try again through her GTube and hold her upright for another hour. And so the whole process of feeding her every three hours was about an hour and a half and I could not get her to calm down And it was my turn I was sobbing as she was sobbing and I literally was praying and saying, God, I cannot do this anymore Like I cannot, I don't have it in me to do this. likeike I People say, God doesn't give you what you can't handle. And I'm like, I I can't do this. And I had texted my husband and I'm like, I know it's not your turn he tag me out, I just I just can't And so he came And then he had put Sara down even though she was crying to check on me And so she's crying in her room, We've got the baby monitor on And I'm sobbing and I'm like, I'm at my wits' end. I'm not strong anymore. I can't do this. And I look at the camera and there is this white light that is stroking Saria while she is calming down and it was there for hours, calming her down, caling her down. And we recorded this This is make me cry. I've never know I like this in my life. I literally I am beinging a little bit more censored of the feelings that I had at that moment of my desperation of likeike really wanting to give up, I will say ye. really asking for help, but then also really, truly believing that there was no help. And So like it was that kind of desperation. This wasn't like a bad day This was like trying to imagine what our life would look like on Very little sleep tryrying to keep up with our jobs, trying to keep up with this trajectory of life that we thought was going to be our life. and So at that moment, we felt like that moment was so sacred that we recorded it only showed herer grandparents And u Both ses of grandprintnts are very devout in their faiths. and so they were like, this is a great sign. like just take it for what it is. And we also are very protective of how we share this information, which is why we love what you do in the sense of like not to exploit this. This is something beautiful that I do think all of us have the ability Or maybe not, maybe those that are it depends. I guess I should ask Rariah. she has some ideas on this. Yeah. But that was the first time When she started talking, she would talk about somebody that was with her. And so we always kind of jok that it was like her imaginary friend And and when I would say like, oh, how long has this person been with you? And she's like, oh, they're with me when I sleep. I was like, do they go to school with you? She's like, Yeahah. And I'm like, well, how long have they been with you? She's like since I was inside of your belly And so then it was kind of like, okay, she might be right. L I never doubt her. Like I think that's the other thing is I never challenge, I just keep it open and around that as it is. I take it as it is and in that same time Um, you know, her older sister would talk about bright lights that she would see And then there was a time where her older sister stopped talking about it. and she was like, I don't see them anymore. I wish I could And so there was always something about still doesn't talk about it. Yeah. you know, what is it about being younger? being more fearless being more unfiltered and then As she got older It's not that she would tell us much, but there was a time where we're sitting at the table And I have this uncle that San never met. He actually died when I was twelve he is the best, I will start by saying that he was like a father to me. So my My parents were divorced and my mom was a single mom and she moved in with her brother, which is this uncle. so he was like a dad. And he was so kind and every night he would put me to bed and he would say All right While everybody' sleeping, I'm gonna come wake you up, you and me are gonna go party. We're gonna party all night where everybody else is sleeping. Yeah, this is what we're talking about. And he also was a chain smoker. in the eighties and just smoked nonstop And so we're sitting at the table one day. and again, Suri doesn't really know about this uncle or any stories about him other than I hadn't I had uncles that have passed away. So she's sitting there and she's like, M And she starts doing this movement with her hands, which I've never seen her do. She's like, your uncle And like' smoking. Yes. right. But I didn't know what she was doing. She's like, your uncle is so kindind and funny And I'm like, which uncle? And then she's like, you know, the one that passed away on your mom's side and I'm still like, there's more than one. And she's still doing this. She's like, the one that smoked all the time, And I was like Oh my God, I know exactly who you're talking about. And I said, Okaykay, well, what's he saying? And she's like, he's the partier. And that word is our word And when my husband's, one of his best friends had passed away. This was a a Navy colleague She really gave some speeches from him, but it was like and like visible letters. Yeah. like she Yeah. She would talk like how he was talking, although it would be her voice, but it's almost like the language that she would use was so much more fluent than what she is capable of with her speech delays. She would say like, hey brother I'm really proud of you Like you've got a good life with this family I'm really proud of the surgeon that you've become. These are things that she doesn't even have context of their relationship You know, they might be like one liners, but they They were meaningful. And so that really hit me where then I was like Oh, can you What did you mean by do that? Like can you connect with people? L can you and she said, yeah, onn the other side. On the other side. and It was just kind of overwhelming Okay, comeome on in dad. We can even ask you a few questions too before we. 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Yes She told us the story And I'd love for you to retell it, because I thought there's two stories she told that were pretty remarkable The first one being when she was at Witssnd when when Sorry, I was having a hard time eating when she was little Do you remember that story? and what happened Did it feel real to you? Yes. so like And One of the things that we really kind of had to struggle with initially is that Satosh described exactly kind of how the nighttime would go But that's exactly what we would do. We did that for four and a half, almost five years. So like Literally every night, one of us was up most of the night and in the daytime we'd go on work. And so In one of those experiences, is just Sara was really struggling and you know, it's so it was disheartening every time we would give her her feeds and then she would throw up because that would automatically mean there was going to be a longer time for her to not be sleeping than going we'd have to rock her, like literally we would rock her for almost. I mean, it ended up being days and weeks and months if you like added up So like that particular evening, like when she was crying and both of us were at a point wherere like This is almost not sustainable. like we're not sleeping, like neither one of us we got to work full time and I'm operating during the day and then I'm not sleeping at night and then like getting the rest which you can, you nap when you can. but like You know In that moment, like when the monitor kind of got quiet likeike It was, you know, I didn't honestly know like I, you know, full full disclosure. I'm a super skeptic s like scientific kind of minded person. and so like I usually try to find things that I can't explain, usually try to find what is a scientific justification for doing that. Th the certain things, of course, you can't. Like if you are religious in any way, by definition, the definition of faith is belief in the unseen, right? So like there has to be some level of acceptance of things that are perhaps not able to be explained by science, but I'm still like a science scientist at back at heart ike while we were looking at the monitor, it really did. It looked like a white light that was actually traveling back and forth over the area of the crib, right where she was. and then she stopped crying and like it was Like for me Almost disconcerning because I'm like, wow, what is happening? Like is this like is this a good thing or a bad thing? That was the first thing I thought I was like, it's great that she's not crying. But like what exactly is that? rightight? And so when we took the video, like, you know, you know my folks are pretty religious as are my wife's parents and so like I said it really more for like the concept of like, can you help me process? L what am I looking at here? Because what I'm seeing is something that is soothing my daughter that is I mean, I went in there. I mean, like I was the first one was like, I'm going to go upstairs and I went there myself with my own eyes, there's nothing I can see. There's nothing visible that I can physically see in the room U And then but she's quiet. She's not crying. And so like, come back down and still there. Still there on the monitor. can see the monitor but not. can see the monitor, right itself I couldn't see it in her life. And so like You know, like my, you know, I had My dad is like, listen, he's like, know, there are things that we can't explain, but I don't feel like something that is soothing Sariah is going to be something that you have to worry about. But it's not something that I would say like, let's advertise this to everyone in the whole world. L this is this is like just for you guys. is just this is a hopefully a sign that things are at some point, you you're going to be able to manage what feels to be unmanageable, you I think that it was it was it was u Anay look retrospective, look look back at it, it was pretty pretty incredible. because it doesn' it didn't make a lot of sense to me then. And doesn't make sense to me now, like what exactly that was. So What faith background did you guys grow up in? So both we are Deva Muslim. and so like you know they growing up, that's exactly kind of was Re have to for my dad's side. half Indian and my mom side. have Bungledash Right. So you' a type of so my little bgg, yes, you are half Indian and half Bangladesh. That is a true statement. both of my parents of India, both Tatasha's parents are from Bangladesh. So your parents were like, okay, we think it's a safe thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And this is something that like I think that is is It's not a negative, right? Like like I think that you know sometimes things happen that we can't explain that especially like in in in if there's any bit of a negative connotation, it can be a little bit disconcerning, R? I mean, like Si watches a lot of like shows about hauntings and things of that nature and houses houses and like she is not scared by these things, but while I'm doing her meds and we're seeing the Annabelle doll. L like it's a little different than. I'm like, I'm not sure if that could be classified as that's awesome, That's good. you know, like there's something a little bit disconcerning about that, but this wasn't that. So tell me about like what you know, Sori clearly has a deep connection with other side that's very real And When did you start to believe that what she was seeing and experiencing wasn't made up, like that she was probably really connecting with people on the other side So it took Sera a long time to learn how to talk. It took S a long time. likeike we were we were wondering if she was going to be able to communicate. And so like even in the early early stages of her starting to communicate Sometimes she would say things that I know for a fact that Tasha I have not said. And at that point our other kiddos were im just, Yes means she was young. She was like fivei she's not using that language. peopleople that are coming into the house aren't using that language. And so like can't explain that. So that was my first kind of clue. I'm like, okay, I don't can't explain that. And what would be like something that maybe she' say even. So like the first time Um I distinctly remember this. there was a device that we got called a stander. And so a stander is when you cannot bear weight, it kind of helps try to build like not just bone health, but the ability to kind of stand up. first time I got it in her house, like it really depressed me because it is actually a it's a physical representation of something that I know has not a good long term outcome. like I'm an orthopedic surgeon by trade. Like we use standards in kids with cerebral palsy and things of that that can overwalk or really struggle walking. And so like In that moment like Si had I want to say she was maybe three and maybe two and a half or three, not saying too many words And She clear as D, you know, said And No distinct terms because I remember because I was sitting in the kitchen and she was over end thing she looked at me. She's like Dan, it's okay. This is okay. And I have not at that point, I had not heard those words like literally coming out of her mouth in that way. It was a very distinct. att that point it was like one word barely answers, not sure if she's understanding. But then I didn't hear anything like that for a while. And so like in that moment, I did need that. There's no doubt. But things I wasn't talking about. It wasn't like I was like walking in the house and' like, o God, I can't believe this thing things in the house. and like you could infer that what I'm thining. I was just looking at him. I was sitting in the kitchen. we had island kitchen,'s like a little window. You could look down into the family room and I was just staring at it.'s it so interesting. And so like those type of things like slowly but surely, I'm like, I don't understand those things, but I cannot find good solutions other than got to take it at face value because how else can you possibly explain it? For both of you, maybe you just give like a quick snapshot of what In the Islam faith, people believe about the afterlife and the soul I would Our world say I believe in all beliefs and even our history, I Knowing The history And I think that, you know, in Islam, we certainly believe that, you know like our purpose here on this earth is not just this earth. our job here or our purpose here is to, you know do as many good deeds as you can. And then at the end, we have a little day of reckoning and we figure out how we do And I think that, you know, part of that belief and thought process is this concept of the soul and the soul is like it is what is, you know, essentially breathed into our body. and it's like we have a physical representation of who we are, but then you have the soul representation of actually what God has given you. This is who you are. And like, you know, like and like in many faith traditions, there is some version of, you know, there's a Angels that are collecting good deeds and bad deeds and how are you doing? And like you know with the thought process that God gives you free will and the ability to do either good things or bad things. and that's up to you to figure out how you want to do. There's obviously different books of faith that can help you try to navigate that depending on kind of how you how you how you think about those things And so like I think that for me, like the concept of the soul is very it's very, very distinct and real one. And I you know, I've been in the room, you know, multiple times in my medical career when people pass away, you know, like in the hospital. and you know, we always talk about how it gets cold. that's a thing. I don't think everybody's ever I've never seen a study where people have quantified the temperatures when somebody passes away, but like There is no doubt. like I have been in the room myself. I can't deny that and like multiple times. So like I don't know what that is. Okay. So like so you know, is it theull soul escaping the body and heading back to God? you know, unless you truly somehow, you know, had a got an email from God saying Yp, you're right. This is exactly what it was. You're not going to know, right? And so like, but that is that is for me like absolutely fundamental. Like I think that the soul is most definitely an important part of who you are Yeah. And then so your friend's name is Chris, right I'd love to hear the story because I think we kind of touched on that, but I think she was kind of waiting for you to share it. So I'd love for you to talk about that And so what was the first experience in Sara, if you want to talk about that too, I remember, you know, like, Um you know, experience where you heard Sir I was communicating with Chris after he passed. So I think that even before that, I think that there was a non surise story that I probably should tell first. So like the day that Chris passed away, he's a very young and healthy human. and he passed away of a massive cardiac event and No rightm no reason. He kind of looks like the incredible Hulk. literally. And so Chris, The night that he passed, like I was a mess as you might imagine. Yeah. And so like crying. I was crying a lot. Yeah. So you know, we had like a little trio, me, him and my buddy Rob. And so like Robert called me and said, like, look, like this is what just happened like last night. and like You know, it was it was devastating for me and so like I was Sitting in our study and I was trying to talk to Tasha, but I was like not in a great place, you know? And like, you know, one of the things that Chris and I, he is, you know, one of the best dads I ever knew. Like Chris is was the model of how we should be as parents. And so like the most in one of the most invested humans and his oldest daughter was Just starting medical school. She passed away the first week of med school. And like Chris, she wanted to do what he did. She wanted to be him. And like was and or that doesn't be him, but like do what he did. And so like I remember like talking with Tasha and like we were like, I was like, I gott to take care of Kelly. like I gott to figure out how we're gonna to do this And I was like, you know, like maybe she can come and rotate in Cincinnati. So on it this is like during the summertime. so Clear crystal day Um The lights in our study went up completely off ly on? And so like I didn't think much of it when it first happened. I was like, all right, dude an electrical surge, L I don't know what's happening, but So then I said the words like again. I was like, we have to take care of her. And like I was like she was like, I'm going to take care of her. Lights on, lights off And again, I was like, okay, so now I'm actually listening. I'm like, I'm not sure what the second one was, but I refuse to believe that this is a coincidence. L there's no storm. There's no way electrical surges are happening And so I kind of decided to tempt fate a little and I just about it again and this time purposefully lights on, lights off, like clearly, like all studies lights off, all stud lights on. So I truly like felt and this is coming from a known skeptic. I was like, Chris is here or some version of him is here because like this is what he would want me to do. And because I know for a fact if the roles were reversed Chris would take care of these girls like forever. And so like, you know, that was the first time. I was like, okay, so like there is something about Chris like he's around like in some capacity. I don't know what that is, but he's around in some capacity. So then like There was a time where we were at Great Wolf Lodge and We're going to dinner. I'mid sitting next to Sariah. and she's like, Hey, your friend is here. And I was like, who's my friend? She goes, your friend Bor Hogan, he's here And I was like, Ohh, I' was like fantastic. I'm glad Chris is here. I have no idea. what she' saying. But then she's like, No, no, he's here and he needs to tell you a few things On this me and her, on the drive from our hotel room to dinner Sorah starts talking to me about all the things that Chris wants to me to know And it's stuff that I have never discussed with Sara. I have never talked with Sari. It's like Navy stuff. and some of it's like like surgery stuff, some of it's like, hey, you know you said something along the lines of like good job of keep trying to do the hard cases. Well, the thing is Chris and I he was like an almost a mentor to me, and like we would do some really difficult stuff together in surgery surgical. Yeah, like like medically speaking, like really complex stuff and like I never talked to Sarai about that. And so like by the time I got to the table at Great Wflage, I was like, this is I was like a little like U what the word is was I was pensive because I couldn't believe what I was hearing because I was like and I couldn't in my logical mind's like trying to put that together as if like, okay so How does she know this How is it possible for her to know particars of what I'm talking about because I try my best not to talk shop. to the girls unless they ask me about something because like I am a dad first and I'm a surgeon in a far second or third. So like like it's not something I want that I used to give a talk to residents about like like life balance, right? And like it's like at the end of your life, you're not going to talk about how many surgeries you did or how many patients you saw. You're going to be like sessentially four or five things. like were you a good human Were you a good son or daughter? Were you a good husband or wife? wereere you good to the world? Were you a good father or daughter or mom? You know, like those are the things that we think about right before we pass. We don't do anything anything else. So I'm like, I tryed to do that. And the fact that Sa was able to like dead on tell me things that I'm like, I just I don't know if that is Sara, but I was like, but again, I have to take it Like f full bore because It doesn't make any other sense any other way. And so like I actually feel blessed by hearing it because I miss him less because occasionally I get something like that and it's like, okay, you know, and regardless of how I'm trying to frame it, it is still really like good to know that somebody as good as him is still around in some ways ori. Anything you want to add to any of the stuff your dad just mentioned I feel like for me, I think I don't know. Let me say Chris, I think I think I think my brain was like, I think something to him. I don't know what it is. Ean's like I't know I don't know if will happen, but Hs ear. I feel like to this day, I learn from this child and my other two girls every day. L there is something that some lesson that's taught. and like and I know that other parents have these same lessons from our kids, but like this one's a little bit different in the way that you hopefully can perceive the world. we don't have to have it in a very rigid way. There are ways that are beyond us that we should be able to at least be semi open to to like think about because maybe it makes us better humans. A wonderful Sori, what a great story. I mean, you're such a Unbelievable gift and inspiration to so many people. We're going to end today's episode here. But next week, we'll continue Surai's story, dive deeper into some truly unexplained experiences, and learn more about her unique gifts. You definitely don't want to miss it. That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks, but new episodes will be released every Wednesday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind