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Hi everyone and welcome back to the Talk Tracks. Today we're spending time with Gavin Schultz and his mother Cindy. Gavin is differently verbal, a phrase he chose himself. When he was a young child, Gavin stopped talking and was diagnosed with autism. He went through years of therapy, and then at the age of nine, Gavin began spelling to communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard. He now has been typing to communicate for more than a decade, and through that process, he shared a rich and deeply thoughtful inner world, shaped by theology and a profound sense of purpose. Today we'll be asking Gavin some of the questions submitted by our backstage past community, our subscriber platform where listeners can access ad free episodes, connect with other community members, and submit questions for guests who've been on the show . So thank you to everyone who sent in questions. So Cindy, Gavin, welcome . 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What do you think I F ? Yavin is failing to communicate, and for the sake of verbity, we'll skip to the end of the sentence. Differently verbal. Differently verbal, yes. Great. And that's what we'll go with. Well, Cindy, why don't you start off by telling us a bit about Gavin's early years? I had Gavin thirty nine . He, you know, progressed, I thought, you know, meeting milestones and things like that. He didn't crawl though. He was talking and he used to say, you know,, Mommy, Daddy bye bye, up down birdie, things like that. And at the age of two, all of a sudden all that went away . And he would just scream or temper tantrum or ro cking and toe walking and banging and lining his toys up and he just like would go and bang his head. I said, Okay, this is way more than terrible tooths. I didn't know at that time that it was autism, but the neighbor next door that was a nurse had said , you know, I think he might have autism. And then at the age of three then, we did get the diagnosis. And I remember feeling feeling, you know, relieved , but yet I still cried because you know, I just it's hard, you know, it's really hard. But then I just dove right in and I do a lot of research and I thought nothing's going to stop me from helping him and finding the best therapies available and all that other stuff, right? Gavin. So we did it, didn't we? And so I understand that Gavin was an ABA therapy for many years . And for listeners who might not know, ABA stands for applied behavior analysis therapy. And it's often the most recommended therapy for individuals with autism. And when Gavin was nine, he learned to communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard. So Cindy, prior to Gavin learning to communicate, what did you believe or understand about Gavin's inner world? You know , I didn't really know what he knew . I remember sitting and he used to play with ABC toys that would spell A for apple, B for ball, C for cat . And he had that with him and I said to him, Oh, spell Daddy your name and he spelled G A V I N FC H U LTZ and I thought , I didn't even know you knew your last name or how to spell it so that gave me a little inkling into wow he',s really smart or he's really picked up on things. I love that the Toy Letter board kind of served as your first window into using a board with letters to spell to communicate. So then you're probably thinking, okay, maybe he knows more than you previously thought . And then how did you first even come to know that there was something like RPM or the rapid prompting method, right? That could teach him to actually learn the motor control to spell his thoughts? I had heard a little bit about it. A friend of ours had told us about it . And then we met with Soma when Gavin was nine . She mentions Soma here and she's the founder of the RPM method. She's an incredible force in the world of spelling to communicate and she really innovated the technique for her son Tito, who is now one of the most incredible , quickest typers I've ever witnessed. Soma came to Chicago and we had a bunch of other families that all met down there at this hotel for the weekend and then she would work back to back to back two sessions each day. All these parents were sitting in a room watching her working with these individuals and we were just odd. My mouth was like to the floor . She was so super calm with them, never raised her voice, just kept going no matter what they were doing. And Gavin did, you know, really well with her. And she even had him doing math , which I like didn't even know that he knew math, and he's getting all the answers correct. And I remember when he was in elementary school, you know, they were teaching him words like cat and dog and up and down and working with Soma, he was spelling words like elephant and tabernacle and things like that. And I'm like, how do you even know how to spell this kind of stuff? Yeah incredible. I mean, learning to communicate changes so many people's lives. And I know we sent a question to Gavin asking about this experience. Can you read what he spelled? All right, so the question was What was it like for you prior to RPM ? And he spelled life for me before RPM was more frustrating because the people around me had no idea how intelligent I was. I felt locked inside waiting for someone to let me out . Thank God Soma had the key for learning the RPM method has changed my life. Yeah, beautiful. The next question said, How did it feel when you were able to communicate? And you said, being able to learn through RPM lessons led to my ability to communicate. That was the happiest day of my life. I knew after meeting Soma and working with her, my life was going to change for the better. Soma believes in her students because RPM works for all ages. Do you have anything else to say about that? Gab . Okay, so Gavin is typing. Everyone needs to try our RPM. Everyone needs to try it. Yep. It doesn't hurt to try, does it? Gosh, I mean, I'm just so glad you found what works for you, Gavin. And so as he began typing more, did anything change in your lives or what started to unfold? It wasn't until homeschooled him for middle school and high school , you know, I really noticed that he knew things that didn't, you know, I'm teaching him things, but it seemed like he already knew it. 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I was just like owed. Did you ask him, you know, where he was learning the stuff from? Yes, we did. You know, I was like hoping he'd say that I was his best teacher and he spelled God is my greatest teacher or other theologians he spelled one day. And I'm like, Theologians, I'm like, wow. And I'm like looking it up and he spelled it correctly. And I'm like, wow, how do you even know that word? Where did that come from? I'm like, how do you know this? You know, but you just said that God and other theologians are your teachers. So that's why you are taught from a much higher power than Cindy Schulz sitting here in Caledonia, Wisconsin. Wisconsin So interesting. So I'm so curious, Gavin, when those teachings come in from theologians , like how are you interfacing with them? You know, what does that experience look like? They whisper to me I feel the Holy Spirit speaks for me. Wow. Yeah, so he swears above it. It's the Holy Spirit telling him what to say, right, Gab . But I like that you've got that kind of connection . A friend of his bought him for his birthday something about I get my downloads from Moses or something that I'm like, oh my goodness, yeah, that's Kevin. He gets the downloads from Moses, don't ya? And so this connection to what Gavin calls the Holy Spirit. You know, we've actually talked to many differently verbal individuals who say that they get information or downloads from different teachers. Sometimes they call them masters, sometimes they do reference different spiritual leaders or historical figures. And other times they say they learn or get information from non speakers they meet on the hill. And for those of you who did not listen to season one, the hill is what many spellers call a realm that they travel to with their consciousness or astral travel to connect with others like themselves. And many said there are beings there who are passed on . So anyway, it's really interesting and very cool . You've got that connection, Gavin. And so as the spelling journey continued, you know, oftentimes families will say first their child started spelling and then they realized all this knowledge they had , and then other gifts started to appear. And so we had some questions for Gavin. And if you wouldn't mind reading those and his responses , let's see, Gavin, how do you experience connections or awareness beyond spoken language , if at all. And you said, I can read people very well. I feel their energy. If they are happy or sad or concerned, I know it. God has given me special gifts to understand people . Thanks to Him for believing in me to use them properly. So yeah, we've had therapists come and work with him and he would just sense that , you know, something was wrong or something happened or whatever. And then he says, Oh, you're sad . And then they would say, well, yeah, so and so passed away and I'm feeling down or whatever. And even last month when we did the RPM session , the very first thing he sat down, he started spelling and he was spelling to the practitioner lady things. She's like, how did you know that I needed to hear that? And he says, I could just feel that things were bothering you. And he just gave her hope and comfort. And it was so, so sweet. Yeah . And then the next question, Gavin says, Do you call it telethopy? And you said I call it hearing from the Holy Spirit from God Himself . He often tells me what to type and share with the world. Telethopy is real and I believe in it. However, I am not getting into all the hype of it. I feel you have to have discernment about certain things in life, and this is one of them. Yeah, and you know, it's just funny because a few weeks ago, another man we interviewed , Peter Kane spelled that telepathy can be misused. So I think discernment is a really great quality to bring to it . But is telepathy something you two have experienced together? Why? E. So Gavin is typing. Yes, for sure. A connection is like peanut butter and jelly . That's funny. Peanut butter and jelly. I love it. We have a connection like peanut butter and jelly. Don't you know Jo hn? That's amazing. It's such a good response. That's so funny. Yeah, he definitely has a sense of humor. So how did mind to mind communication or telepathy start for you both? One of the teachers said, Oh yeah, I thought of five words the other day and I wrote them down and I didn't show my kid them, but he wrote them in order. And I thought, well, let me try that. Sure. Yep, he did it. And then just the other night I said, okay, I'm not going to write these words down. I'm just gonna think of something . And sure enough, he spelled everything I thought of. And I'm like, Caugh, Gavin, how do you do that? You know, even my husband's in the room and he's like, How do you do that, Gevin? So Gavin is, this something more recent ? Oh. And just so people know he's typing his answer. No, I have had this talent, but keep it under wraps . Wow, okay. And so for you, Cindy, what did you make of all this? I tried to , I don't know, 'cause you know, it's just like voodoo doo voodoo, you know, or you just like, you think like, oh my goodness, you know, is this really, you know, true or whatever ? And so yeah, we've been very discerning about it because like he says, I do not want to do anything that would ever jeopardize anyone ever thinking that he did not write every one of his writings because he did write every one of his writings because he spells words I don't even know much less how to spell them. You know, I'm like checking words and he always spells and right. I'm like, how do you know this? Telepathy has a time and place, but not when I am spelling. There you go. Yeah, on that note, I mean, that's a question we sent ahead of time wanting to know what Gavin feels about skeptics who say spellers are not authoring their own words. And for people new to this show or even to this world, typing to communicate almost always involves a regulation partner, especially in the beginning, when someone needs the most support with motor planning and regulation. And critics sometimes argue that that means the communication is not fully independent, which to many people carries a bit of an air of ableism because if you cannot control your body and you need support to communicate, why does their communication not count? But one of the most important distinctions to make here is that telepathy, according to many non speakers themselves, is something separate entirely. It's a skill set innate to many, if not all of us, and it gets heightened when other senses are diminished. And in fact, many individuals who type to communicate say they need their communication partners to clear their minds while spelling so they can focus on their own thoughts without distraction. Okay, so I digress . Why don't you go ahead and read Geinv's answer. You said, I'd rather not waste time worrying about naysays who doubt things. Everyone has their own opinion and they can be stubborn . I prefer to move forward and continue to do what works for me and countless others . I will always be a strong advocate for rapid prompting method . Anything else on that one? People who think they know better should not be such an egative nancy a negative nancy And Sydney, what are your thoughts on the backlash against letter boards to communicate or even just the fact that telepathy means someone's not authoring their own words? Like, do you ever think about that or have you encountered any pushback personally? I have not too much, no , because I even bought a board that's, you know, like clear, you know , and I am like, okay, I'm holding this. This is my arm here , you know, and he's pointing and his other hand is over there . And it's like, how can it not be him doing this? You know? Gosh, it's so funny that you said that because I want to be kind here, but I have no other way to explain this. That one of the biggest trolls around spelling on the internet who's always bashing it and insulting typers and saying it's not real once was talking to a scientist who was researching failing to communicate and she said to the scientist, have you seen it with your own eyes? And the scientist said yes. And then she goes, okay, you're a lost cause because once you see it, then you believe it. And it's kind of like what? Anyway, okay, go on. Right. Yeah . And even with the whole telepathy stuff, yeah, it was funny because we were out to lunch with a friend of ours. And the mom said to Gavin, could you please tell him not to read my mind? Because she had said something about, you know, I think blank, blank blank, and he spells blank, blank, blank. And it was funny because then Gavin even said , just clear your mind. Oh, that's funny. Okay , so she was thinking blank, blank, blank, and he wrote it. And I've actually heard teachers who say that they'll start to think of a word over and over again, like pumpkin, pumpkin, pumpkin. And the typer might write, stop saying pumpkin over and over again. But really what I've heard from so many typers at this point is that you literally just have to clear your mind, like clear your mind of all thoughts. Yeah, well, Gavin says literally, this is what he typed. Come on now . I can read my mom's mind too, but face it . We are more intelligent than both of their minds together . So it gets down to it has nothing to do with , oh, you're reading my mind, I'm reading your mind or whatever. It's their intelligence. You know, I really try to have anything going on. He said something about , you being know, way smarter . And by the time I would think of something for him to write in my mind, he's already got it written and yeah, or whatever. So it's like don't even go there, mom, you know. That's great. And I mean, obviously , Gavin, you're so smart. It's always so uplifting. I mean, I think to all of us, you know, how smart and competent so many individuals who've been dismissed as differently abled are . And so, you know, I guess beyond connecting with the Holy Spirit, are there any other spiritual gifts Gabin experiences or insights he wants to share about the world and about consciousness ? Gabin said, I have the gift of seeing angels and that is a beautiful gift . many So times people are too busy with life and they miss the gifts God puts right in front of them. My senses are heightened so I notice things others may not be still with God and He will show you remarkable things . I see auras around people . I can feel strong energy if a person is good or bad. Of course being around lots of people at one time can be difficult . I am grateful that the people I hang out with are good energy . Consciousness taking the time to be more aware of every single thing. This whole angel thing , you know, he had what was it, grandma's seizure in twenty twenty , and they would not let my husband or I stay that night at the hospital. And I'm like, are you kidding me? This is, you know, I probably said it gave a non verbal autistic person and you're not letting me say, Oh, no, no, because we don't know, you know, he has a high fever and you know, he could have COVID. I said, he doesn't have COVID. He's got a high fever because he just had the seizure, you know, or whatever, but they wouldn't let me stay. And I didn't sleep at all that night. But the next morning they let me come in and he l ater spelled that there was nothing to worry about mom because every room I was in God's heavenly beings were in the room and we've had therapy done at different places too throughout the years . And one time he'd look in the corner and he'd start giggling and smiling and we're like, what are you doing? And he was, oh, never mind me. I'm just noticing the angel, you know, by the lamp . And we're like , what? And Gavin, can I ask what that experience is like for you when you see angels? And it's something I have to, you know, say like a lot of non speakers have shared. And you know, I guess is it always the same? Or do you have to be in a certain like state to see or access them? And like what do they look like when you see them? And do they talk to you and can you hear them? A lot of beautiful beings not always know I see them, but I feel God sends them when we need the most. Yeah, and there was one time too, when we were at the other day program that he was with and the woman that created that progr was on the phone with the hospital or with a doctor for her daughter at the time. And we were all in the gym class. We were sitting and doing exercises in the chair. And Gavin kept looking over by her and he spelled There is an angel by Annette's shoulder right now . So after she got off the phone then we went over there and said that there was an angel by you, Gevin said It was like a tough time for her , so God knew that she needed an angel by her, right ? Yeah . It's beautiful. Okay, so Cindy, I know we sent you a question for Gavin, which was what are your desires for yourself and humanity. So how did Gavin answer that one? This was cute. I'm not sure if I will get married, but I do have a special girl that has my heart . Being best friends is great . I will always continue to learn new things with an open mind . I would like to accomplish getting RPM spellers unite activities set up in the future. And you said my desires are to be a published author of my book . I also want to live someday with my friends at Matthias Academy home . I pray that humanity can become loving and kind and stop being so hateful. And a lot of his writings too are about being kind , showing kindness, you know, how hard is it to do one kind act every day, you know, or things like that. Wow, that's so awesome. And Gavin, you mentioned your book just now and in the emails you shared, Cindy , you said that you've been collecting his writings and are compiling them into book. Can you tell us a little bit about what inspired that? Gavin has just been spelling for well over a decade and he just always wants his writings out there and wanting people to know how intelligent they are and that just because their voices don't work. And oftentimes it is the apraxia with him that just it doesn't connect, you know, the body with the mind, right? It makes it hard to do that. And so he felt that it was important to let other people know that he's in there, they all are in there and they need to be heard and appreciated for everything that they do know. So great. And Gavin, in your words, what would you say the book is about? Gavin said, My book is about h ope and encouragement for readers to believe in the one true God . It help those who read it realize to never underestimate a special needs individual's ab'ility . We are remarkable in so many ways . Tell her what you did today, Gavin. It was so exciting. I signed a contract for my log. The full one to be published. Okay, so Gavin Spelled, I signed the contract for my book, The Hopeful One To Be Published. He was so excited . Congratulations. I mean, it's a huge deal. So awesome. Those who know me know that I love wearing glasses. I have them for many different occasions. I have progressives and transitions and sunglasses and they're all prescription. And honestly, I could not have all those glasses if it wasn't for Zeni. Zeni is an online eyewear shop where you can get prescription glasses, sunglasses, and blue light lenses, starting at under thirty dollars . 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