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Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers It is Monday, june eighth For peopleople in Hollywood, the media scandals in New York usually feel like another world Remember during the height of the Roger Ailes downhul at Fox News and all the noise around the alpha behavior there, noody at the Fox studio in LA seemed to care much. The Murdoch successfully kept it all separate But this sixty minutes blow upp at CBS is kind of different. If you're not following it, last year, David Ellison installed Barry Weiss, an opinion writer and ideolog to run CBS newews A couple of weeks ago, she fired the executive producer of sixty Minutes, Tanya Simon and a bunch of experienced producers and correspondents Then she installed Nick Bilton, a technology columnist and burgeoning Hollywood screenwriter as the new executive producer of TV's most prestigious and highest rated news program. Predictably, the staff at sixty minutes freaked out. Scott Pelly confronted Bilton at his first staff meeting, calling him unqualified and said he'd never be welcomeed there And then he also claimed that Barry Weiss had tried to influence the coverage in favor of Trump. whichich is interesting considering how much the Ellisons have courted the Trump administration first to get paramount in the first place. and now to close this one hundred ten billion dollars war amount merger we always talk about. Pelly was fired, of course, but last week, the three remaining correspondents, including Leslie Stl They said they would stay, but only as long as Weiss and Bilton let them do the kind of journalism they've always done. We don't want to see sixty minutes die, they wrote Big mess, and a lot of people myself included have asked, whyy is David Ellison letting this go on After all, CBS newews is such a minor part of the paramount business, and there are ways to curry favor with Trump without blowing up the most successful news franchise on TV Is there something else going on here And does this whole situation threaten other parts of the company includluding whether the Democrats in blue states will sue to block the Wermmount merger What ultimately does this say about Ellison's leadership at a time when lots of people want to know what kind of leader he's going to be of two studios? Lots to discuss with Luas Shar, Monday guys. So today it's sixty minutes the blow up The impact throughout the Ellison Media Empire. From the Ringer and Puck. I'm Mat Ellanie and this is the Town Okay, we are here with Lucas Shaw from Bloomberg. Welcome back. Lucas. Do you have Nick fever? You are in New York? Yeah. I'm going to be standing outside the garden with Charles Oakley and all the other people who have been banned over the years. We're going be shouting, we're gonna be screaming. Not tonight Donald Trump's gonna to be there so no parties outside. specially given I have a lot of family in New York, I'm all in on the nexts. Although I don't really want it to be a sweep, I'd like it to be a better series I just hope it doesn't go six games so Jim Dolan doesn't get the revenue from that last game at MSG that petty? I think it would be funine if it ended in New York. So I'd rather it end in four or six, But I hear you. Do you really you want to see Chalamay and thenen Stillers storming the court? like come on. Not really, but I think for David Zazlov, you know, raising his arms like he had something to do with this. like no, we don't want that. He was just at the French openp. I saw that he's getting to travel the world and go to all the best sporting events So that's a good transition into the Warner Mount merger, which we've been talking about endlessly. and we had some developments this past week. And you know, normally I don't really care about these New York media scandals. I mean, I care personally, but not for the purposes of this show. I care about this sixty minutes scandal because I think there are potentially larger implications for both David Ellison and his leadership of one studio and potentially two. and Potentially whether this deal closes at all I want to know first of all why you think Ellison is letting this happen Because there's a very easy solution to all of these problems. You think he should just fire Berry and walk it back and no, not necessarily fire Berry He could say Listen I believe in her as an editorial voice. We need someone else with her to manage these properties day to day because She has lots of ideas And it's becoming clear that she needs a little bit of help on the management, especially the talent. ment side Someone needs to be there who has relationships with these star talents. It's just like a movie studio. You have to coddle your talent. You have to make them happy and you have to have them believe in your vision and what you're doing. You can't sit in your office with two bodyguards out front and come down from high and hire an inexperienced executive producer of the show and just get rid of all the people that these people have relationships with and expect it to be okay I want to get to that, but I'm just curious because you've written about the importance of talent. Do you actually think that Individual talent matters on sixty minutes Absolutely yes You don't need the ball But you need recognizable talent on sixty minutes because that is the nature of the show. This is that is why it's different. So it's not just people who will show up sixty minutes regardless of who it is. they want to see Whitaker, they want to see Stahall. they want to see each of those people, you think. It's part of the DNA of the show These are every man or every woman correspondence that take you through the world And they have a particular style of interviewing and of editing and writing that appeals to people and they are the phase. That's why it was so damaging when Anderson left Barry We's plan for sixty minutes was hinging on Anderson because she knew that he has the best connection to the widest possible audience And he's not eightighty years old. He's, you know, a generation younger And then he up and left So what are you left with? You're left with Scott Pelly, Leslie Stall and the rest and All of a sudden You had this meeting and Sky Pelly blows it up. And they fire him. So I do think sixty minutes talent matters. It's not the only thing that matters. The brand is really strong and they can break new talent and bring people in. but you can't, I think if you start from scratch and have to rebuild and people tune in in the fall and it's entirely new people, that does matter Well, it is classic inexperienced management to come in as a change agent and to immediately tear everything up, right? too fire the executive producer of the show. I mean, it's been a year, but yes, I hear you, But to fire a bunch of the correspondents and without explanation And we see it with executives all the time, especially sort of people who are supposed to be younger and more entrepreneurial and maybe more tech savvy, whatever it is. They come in and they blow shit up And it usually causes a lot of headaches. And whether it has the positive effect in the long run is you know, depends on the situation. All right, so that gets back to the question of why Ellison is letting this happen Be one theory is that he just doesn't care about CBS newews. And he only wants to do things that will help him get his one hundred ten billion dollars deal closed. And if Donald Trump and his people like that there is chaos at CBS News and there is someone in charge that is either Trump coded or Trump aligned, however you want to put it is only the only thing that he cares about. And then there's a second kind of notion put out there by paramount Ellison does care very much about CBS newews and he feels that the show and the division itself has to be reinvented for the streaming age. And if that means blowing it up now, then so be it. They have to blow it up now, even though the ratings were up nine percent last year and it's sixty minutes is the number one program in the news category that he needs to blow it up now and bringing in someone like Nick Bilton with no experience and a tech columnist is the way to do that I don't know that he thinks that Nick Bilton is the way to do it. I think that he is putting his trust. He signed off Yes, but he's putting his trust in Barry to figure look There's no question that Paramount is taking a lot of steps to curry favor with the Trump administration. They want their Warner deal approved They want to kind of to get this past them. I I think we sometimes overstate how much the moves being made are specifically about kissing up the Trump and not just that like that is a positive byproduct of it. Like if you look at what actually ties a lot of these people together, I don't think it's Trump Right? Like I think Bry Weiss appeals to a sort of basically rich people in a few cities like Republicans or rich centrists who call themselves Democrats and kind of the tech industry and a lot of those people, a circle that David Ellison is very much in, right? People who like people who had homes in the palisades were like very' veryian on Barry Weiss. My understanding is over the last few years, Nick Bilton has become very close to veryerry Weise. So they're all part of the same social circle. And if anything binds them together, it's more Israel than Tp. If you look at the people around David Ellison, his top lawyer, his top spokesperson, the head of his news division, now the producer of sixty Minutes, they all have similar views on Israel, which one would consid they are Zionists, right? And they feel strongly that you know their anti Semitism is on the rise. And that is something that ties them, I think, much more strongly than any feelalty to Trump. because I think some of those people whether it's Ellison or some of the people who work for him would say, we're not Trumpy You know, we're just doing what we got to do Yeah, and Mean Delrahim, the top lawyer at Paramount, he explicitly said that opposition to this deal is fueled in part by anti Semitism which I think was surprising that he would say that Um, yeah, and, you know There's also this other theory that Larry is the hidden hand here that Larry is Very pro bry wise and is excited about some of these changes. And while David Ellison may recognize that her changes are going to cause chaos and potentially cause problems for him throughout the company He I don't want to say powerless, but He knows this is what his dad wants And he's going along with Do you agree with that I always struggle with how much we think Larry is really involved because my sense is on the deal, for example, he wasn't super involved until the end One Paramount source told me that he has never met Barry I don't know if that's true, but yeah, when he needed to call DavidZazlev or try to convince Warner Brothers, he would show up because because David asked But Larry's got ten million things going on. His number one focus is not paramount. I think even the case of David Ellison Like CBS newews takes up a disproportionate amount of press coverage partially because journalists like to Again, it's noisy, and we're all narcissists and all that stuff. And there's concerns about democracy, but it's not like the number one priority for the business, right? Like David Allison is way more excited that Sary Movie is the number one movie in the country than he is about anything that's happening with CBS News. But you know what? we're not talking about sccary moovie because we're talking about sixty minutes And that is going to be a theme that continues throughout the summer. It's going to get worse because they're going to if they get this deal, they're going to buy CNN and you know that place has been a source of constant news for how many years? I know and they're going to make hires Like Leslie Stalls quote you know, the statement that they put out Leslie Stall, Bill Whitaker and John Worthheim basically was a ransom note It was a threat saying we are staying because we don't want sixty minutes to die But We're looking, we're monitoring. And we're checking out to see what you do. And if any of the, you know powerful hand comes down and tries to change our stories, or you hire Joe Rogan, which is not happening, or you hire someone who's embarrassing to us, We're out. And that's a tough place to operate from if you're Nick built in and your mandate and what you sold them on is to completely disrupt the show We'll see how that plays out. I don't really have much pity for him because he's getting paid a fortune to do a job that he's not super qualified for. But he is this is going to be a rough start I will be very curious if he can survive a year. just because like I assume with Barry and Ellison behind him, you know, Ellison in particular is an incredibly loyal person. like you look at the people around him. he will take someone he's known for a while over someone with more experience But this has a little bit of the whiff of the Chris Lick situation where people there's like the knives are out from day one. Any little thing on the broadcast. anything that we would have glanced over a year or two ago is going to be broken down and scrutinized. And then the question is like Do you lean in You try to lead the season in the fall with an Elon Musk interview That would be certainly newsworthy. somethinghing that sixty mininutes would do. But if they get it, it's going to be because Elon is aligned with Trump and everyone's going to go nuts over that. Do buy into the idea because you know, as this has been going down, the paramount argument that sixty mininutes needs to be reinvented and brought into the modern age, right? Which is something that they obviously, David Ellison has said about their streaming, sir about the broader business. hisis whole pitch is we're going to modernize the company, we're going to be tech forward. Do you think that sixty Minutes, even with the fact that it has a very strong base of viewership needs Like a big change or a little change. likeike where are you on the paramount contention? I would say it needs investment on the digital side I do not think it needs a wholesale disruption on the television side This is a Hollywood show. We are a Hollywood business show. What do we look at first and foremost, the audience, the ratings The ratings are there. and I know the secret of sixty Minutes has always been the lead in It gets huge lead ins from NFL, the Masters, March Madness. And when you look at the ratings, they go down significantly from nine point one million viewers when they don't have that lead in You have the number one show You don't, you don't take friends and remove three of the friends and add in You know, people that you've never heard of. You just don't do that It's working Could they have a bigger investment in digital. Sure Could they have other nights of the week? We forget they tried this twenty years ago was sixty minutes two And they had a separate night of the week with another sixty minutes on it And ultimately they had a scandal there and they ended up doing it, but like there there's precedent here for doing I think you take the the mothership and expand around it and they were also expanding with stuff for Paramount plus. Yeah, are there extensions? of sixty minutes on Paramount pllus. arere there ways to amplify what they're doing on YouTube, Instagram? TikTok, all those places No question. you know, if you just assume, if you just sit on a TV property and think you don't need to do anything about it, you're asking for failure U I did just because I was curious And this is I admit a bit of an unfair comparison, but you know, Berry was brought in as sort of the digital Wonderkind, right to reinvent it. How do you think the online followings for the free press compare to sixty minutes Probably not very strong at all U ten times sixty minutes, ten times larger on YouTube, four million to four hundred thousand. aboutout four times larger on Instagram ten times larger on x almost ten times larger on TikTok. Obviously, Sixty Minutes has decades of history, so it matters. But I do think to put things in perspective when you say something has no digital following and needs to reinvent itself It's not it's not like it's dormant. It just needs more. Yeah. Is that the argument though that it doesn't have a digital following? Like what does it actually mean when they say they want to modernize it? Does that mean get younger have younger correspondents tell younger stories? Because on social media, sixty mininutes is fine. Their videos do really well. That has not been fully explained by Nick Bilton. It has been the excuse that he has given for why they fired the executive producer and brought and fired some of the correspondents, they say they need to modernize it. and it's sort of their answer to the critics who say it's being changed to appease Trump Yes, they do need to modernize it. you know, but like bring in a Derek Thompson as a correspondent, brring in like younger credible journalists to do this kind of work. you can build around base you don't have to blow it up This episode is brought to you by Hulu The second season of Hulu's addictive drama series Paradise exceeds expectations, says TV Insider, starring Emmy Golden Globe and Actor Award nominee Sterling K Brown, Emmy nominee Julianne Nicholson, and featuring a sensational turn from Shaylene Woodley Paradise delivers nail biting, twists and turns For your Emmy consideration in all eligible categories, including outstanding drama series and outstanding lead actor in a drama series for Brown. 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I think yes I mean, I think this is the first Meingful Scandal for lack of a better word and first meaningful test of his leadership because it does suggest a he's saying that he values loyalty. Like you said, that he won't be bullied by the media. He doesn't seem to care what the media thinks of his changes It also suggests that he has an ideological bent here There is a larger ideological u guiding light for him with Barry and with Nick Bilton and with the direction that is either coming from him or his father that could seep into CNN And if you start to have that as a litmus test, first question, where are you on Israel Not great for a news brand I think there was a belief among some at Paramount and in the Ellison camp, that sixty minutes in CBS newews had tilted too far to the left and they're trying to bring it back to the center And then there are those journalists And certainly many who are kind of politically on the left who feel that it's more than that that they are tilting it to the right that they are trying to curry favor with Trump. And you know, Scott Pelly just gave that interview with the New York Times where he gave a couple of specific examples of Barry Weiss seeming to of meddle in the product. Yeah. She wanted the behavior of the Minnesota protesters change to be more Trump aligned and a couple other things like that. I mean, CBS has sort of been the pain point for Ellison all along, right? He had the Colbert flare up before he even fully took over a decision that also aligned with what Trump wanted. Right. Even if he said he had no part in it. And even the settlement of the Trump litigation before they close the deal. And now Barry has been out of a a never ending source of headaches for him. But at what point does he step in Or does he or does she have free reign what point does this become a distraction that is too much for him? because I don't know if any of this impacts the deal That's the ultimate question here. I don't think it does. You don't think it does. No. why not Well, one, it has no bearing on any antitrust concerns. It's just his management. You would think it impacts the deal if you thought that Trump were seriously considering blocking the deal But nobody thinks Trump is trying to block the deal. The people who are debating blocking the deal are the state atttorneys general. And I don't think this really has much bearing on what the state attorneys general do. Nor what nor what regulators in Europe are doing Oh, I disagree there. I think this has a lot to do with what the state attorneys generals are going to do because I think the overall antitrust case is pretty weak here They may file anyways because of the political pressure And the fact that Robanta, the Attorney G genereral of Californ He's up for election this year. A lot of the attorneys general in Blue states have immense political pressure on them And if they don't do something, there are going to be a lot of very pissed off Democrats that feel now that the media is being hijacked by Trump aligned billionaires in order to serve the president's interests. I agree with all that. I just don't think what's happening at the news I think I don't see the direct connection between like if he fires Barry Wice tomorrow, which I't think is going to happen I don't think suddenly Rob Bonda goes, Okay, we're done. don' need to do the suit I don't know about that either. but Eric Gardner, my colleague at Puck, he just interviewed the lead antitrust litigator for Paramount and asked that question What about the editorial independence at CNN? Shouldn't that be a factor here and Jeffrey Kessler's response was I think pretty reasonable. He said that's a value people can hold It's not an antitrust issue. Antitrust focuses on whether concentration eliminates competition, not on social policy questions about editorial direction He went on to say that obviously people are pissed about this. but the separating out the filing of a lawsuit from the actual legal issues, I think is pretty smart here because This is going to get filed in my opinion, notot because they have a winning case, but because they feel they have to. Yeah Unless look, Allison's been pretty politically savvy throughout the process. There is always a chance that they negotiate a settlement. But yeah, I think it is more likely than not that there is a suit. My colleagues have reported they expect one to be filed, you know by the end of June. Yeah And the argument being that this would thwart competition, lower wages, lead to widespread job losses throughout Hollywood All of which are true. Yeah, all the reasons that the average worker in Hollywood is against this deal. It's a monopsony case, not a monopoly case. It is it would impact kind of the business market more so than the customer. Yeah. And we don't have to get into the pros and cons of the antitrust argument. We've discussed that on the show before. People can differ in their views on what the market is here and whether they need this merger to compete with Netflix or whether they should be judged against the market for studios, which this would obviously eliminate one of those. Do you think all of this reduces the odds that Barry has any role in CNN should the deal go through I do I think that the nuclear bomb of putting her in charge of CNN be so noisy and would lead to another round of all this. It's an easy decision Bringing someone else. I mean, that's if they even keep CNN. rightight. I keep hearing that one of the fire alarm last minute pushed the o shit button responses for the Ellisinons is going to be okay, we'll divest CNN. Will that make you happy and sell it to Barry Diller or whoever. They don't actually need it. The combined company, everyone's like, o, under Warner, they could never sell CNN because it was the anchor of their cable. carriage discussions. No, they don't need it. CBS is the anchor of their television properties now If it's going to be a huge headache, you you know maybe you want it, maybe Larry wants it or whoever wants it for influence But if you're Ellison, you already kind of have that with CBS Why not just sell it to Barry Diller or whoever One I realized one thing we didn't talk about Because you kept asking like when is he going to put a business person in to sort of steady the ship and also maybe curb some of Barry's impulses And that brings back to the unorthodox reporting structure that he put in here, which is that he had Barry Weiss report directly into him instead of to George S Sheiks, who the head of CBS News would haveically had historically reported into. Although I think George Sheks is probably loving that now. George Sheks, it gives him plausible deniability on all of it, but he's exactly the type of person that you're talking about, right? A very steady hand trust like knows how to run a business, has worked inside of these big companies forever U and probably would have given Barry some some good guidance on some of these things. Yeah. I know. it's funny. There were some reports this past week that like peopleeople and the other elements of the company are upset by what's going on at sixty minutes in CBS News And I was like, no shit. I mean that clearly it was reported by someone who doesn't know Hollywood at all. Like that's all these people do is bitch about what's going on. the news division because they're all on the other side of the issue and they can't say so publicly. but they, you know, this this was true at Fox in the Fox newews days when they had the studio in LA and then all the nonsense that was going on in Fox News with harassment and all the election stuff and they just sort of put their heads down and, you know, complained privately in the murdoch manage to manage that have entertainment assets while also having this new slash propaganda And if that's the plan for par him out David Elson has got to learn how to manage that and it is an interesting window into how he manages that that we're seeing play out right now. I don't know if Fox's enttertertainment assets did just fine even well their own Fox News. And they had amazing liberal oriented creators like Seth McFarlane, Steve Levitan, Ryan Murphy, all these people that were more than happy to work for Rupert Murdoch when all this fox stuff was going on. So this notion that David Ellison is going to become this pariah throughout Hollywood I don't know. or maybe it's different times now. Maybe you can't separate that now And the stuff going on at sixty minutes is going to impact the creative arms of the company. Yeah, I tend to think that peopleeople don't turn down the check, right? There are a lot of Fox doesn't have the same level of entertainment business that it did you know ten years ago They're doing deals with a lot of social media creators who I'm sure whose politics are to the left and they're not holding their nose at getting in bed with Rupert Murdoch and Lghlin Murdoch And I think David Ellison, if he's willing to to spend on your one hundred fifty, two hundred million dollars movie or he wants to green light your TV show The number of people who are going to be principled enough to say no to that because of how they feel about politics, I think it's a shortlist Maybe they lose a project or two though goes elsewhere in a competitive situation. Maybe. I don't know. The bigger problem for them is just getting this deal done Because as we know, starting in September, there's a seven million dollars a day ticking fee is charged against the company for every day that they don't close this deal The atttorneys generals do file a lawsuit this month question will become doeses a judge enjoin The deal during the lawsuit or does it let the deal close while the lawsuit plays out And then we get into a legal question We both think that this deal is going to go through though. It's just a question of when Or are you starting to are you starting to doubt that? No, I'm not I'm not waving. I think it will go through But I think that this is a problem I think that there will be a lawsuit and that they will be forced to make concessions to settle. But how big those concessions will be? I don't know. Is it CNN? is it a promise to You know, keep The studio is separate and functioning for five to seven years I don't know. invvest X amount of dollars in the California economy or production in Los Angeles or the reelection campaign of Rob Bonta U, we're too cynical. All right, Lucas, thank you Thanks, Bat Okay, today's call sheet is brought to you by FX's love story, John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bassette. Starring Sarah Pigeon and Paul Anthony Kelly Craig I actually don't know this. Are you being UFC guy I am not. I have friends who are, I, you know, I try to stay up a little bit, but no, not really. I keep getting invited. The TKO people keep inviting me to various events and I have never actually gone I probably enjoy it, but I am not a USC person. So I will not be tuning in on june fourth this Sunday to watch the big White House lawn showdown You have see going to the White House ostensibly to celebrate America's two hundred fiftieth birthday, but happens to also be Donald Trump's birthday So This will also be celebrating the president as well Aring on Paramount pllus, Dana White, head of UFC, big Trump supporter, big friend to the president The question is amid all the swirl around The Warnermount merger And the state attorneys general is potentially filing lawsuits to block it Will David Ellison The head of Paramount show up on the White House lawn to watch UFC. Does this matter to you? Do you care if he shows up or not? Do you think this makes any meaningful difference in any direction? Well, I chronicle these people. so I care because it's interesting to me what they do and how they express their power suck up to the president. I'm sure Ary Emmanuel will be there. He's the head of TKO, which owns UFC. They're spending, I think it's like sixty seventy million dollars to do this And they're certainly not going to make money in the traditional sense on this event, but we'll likely money ultimately on the branding they're going to get out of it. But Ellison doesn't need to be there Typically the owners of companies don't go to every sporting event that their their networks air. Yeah, but the first sporting event of all time at the White House. Exactly. I do That's why I think that it will be noted if Ellison is not there. I'm sure Ary Emanuel, who is like a consigliary to Ellison and has helped him through the sale process and getting paramount and sold him a bunch of projects, including the seven point seven billion dollars deal to Air USC on CBS and Paramount Plus. I'm sure he wants Ellison to be there. I am going to predict that David Ellison will be sitting there ringside at the big America first or what is it called? It's called the USC two hundred fifty Freedom, I think Is that for real U, freedom to get the shit kicked out of you. Yeah, it is UFC Freedom two hundred fifty Nice. The question is will you watch? No, notot even for a second. I don't watch UFC I mean, I'll see the clips. you know, I'll watch if something happens or You know, there's some WWE style event where Trump gets in the ring and someone body slams him. Yes, I will watch that. But I am not going tune in It's on Paramount plus though, not CBS, interesting enough I don't know what the politics or machinations there are. You think that the government would have forced then government airwaves to be used for this broadcast, but not happening. I'm sure it was part of the deal that went Paramount scrab to UC they wanted exclusive rights to these big events. Exactly. And maybe they'll get some subs out of it. People will sign, I'm sure it will. Yeah. that's another good prediction you could give is how much will this help paramount subscriptiond. How many people are signing up for this Matt. Yeah, great question because it's people who were not already signed up to Paramount pllus for UFC, but will sign up for this. Yeah, I don' know I know I'll have to look the antenna numbers next month, but we'll see. I know like do you have like what are the ratings going to be? Do you have any idea I don't Just on Paramount Plus, I don't know I have I literally have no clue on how to guess Like, what's the low end and the high end? like couldould it be two million? and could it be fifteen million? Craig, you're asking me this is I have not researched this. I have no idea All right our I'm not I I'm going to guess it'll be on the high side just because of the spectacle and if you want to watch. USC match going down at the White House. You have to subscribe Pare him out plus and watch like Sure. That's a that's the lure. Well, and it's not, you know, it's no longer payerview, right? This is No no, this they got rid of payerviews. Yeahes. So this is a much, you know, lower barrier to entry for these people to watch UFC now. It's a great deal for UFC fans to be honest. All my friends who are UFC fans love this deal. Yeah. No, they get all this for one price. Yeah. All right, I'm already sick of this. Today's call she was brought you by FX's loveve Story, John F. Kennedy Junror and Carolyn Bassette, called a stunning Portrait of Love by Variety. Love Story is Emmy eligible in all limited series categories, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney pllus for bundle subscribers. All right, that's the show for today. I wantan to thank my guests Luk Sa, producer Craig Horbeck, aruditors, Matt Pevck and Jesse Lopez and I want to thank you. We will see you a couple more times this week