Journalism and Bearing Witness to Truth

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Tune in on Ted Talks Daily, wherever you listen to podcasts ACast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere A Cast Duck If reform scrpp the Equality Act has promised hundreds of thousands of one hundred' worksplace protections, how does that sort? Again, I'd to know I'd have to have a good look into it to see which protections, you know, I wouldn't like to make a snap judgment on something so important Hello and welcome to the Trol, where we gather up the week's political loose ends, mix messages and own goals and attempt to make sense of them. I'm Marina Perkis and I'm Gemma Forte and Marina It's Wednesday, Wednesday, mid weeek, so kind of the point I get to where I think I need a little tipple Perhaps. You had one yesterday. Don't even lie. She had three glasses yesterday. She admitted it pre record been busygirl And actually looking forward to this weekend very much because on Friday you and I are both going to a dinner party and I love a dinner party. We're actually going to Yasmin Alabya Browns, The journalist, amazing woman. So we'll be having a lovely catch up and I suspect some incredible food. I've heard rumours she's a fabulous cook and enjoying a few glasses of wine, just a few not too many No In fact, certainly not three because if you have three glasses, Gemma Yeah. It can ruin your life. Oh right because it apparently ruined Stehen Barlet's life. He's the guy from the Diary of a CEO podcast Three glasses of wine ruined his life. Have a listen. Had a couple of glasses of wine, didn't get drunk It ruined three days of my life because of the domino effect it caused. it meant that I got worse sleep that night. And then because I got worse sleep that night, I ate more poorly the next day because my dopamine system or whatever, the cortisol system was all messedions. And then I podcasted worse. I didn't go to the gym the day after, that day or the day after because of that, because I felt really bad I then slept worse and I could track all this my week wasashhagad hashtag sponsor hashtag invest or whatever. Holy fucking shit stop being a pussy What is this about? What is this about? Fair enough, if you want to be T tootal or whatever, but I am so bored of this what's called optimizing culture. He had three glasses of wine and he wasn't doing his best podcasting. We've done podcasting on three glasses of wine. I think some of us it iss the best podcasting we've done This lik he's wearing this watch thing It's called a whoop, like nothing against it. I did actually try it out for a little bit just to add curiosity. and it like monitors your sleep score and your recovery and know whatever this one I just thought What am I doing not an athlete. I'm not preparing for a marrison I don't know what All of this, whyy am I optimizing myself? And why am I so so why am I KPIing myself? Why am I metricking myself? Yeah. Why can't I just live my freaking life? Well, he's doing it because hasashtag sponsor. Well, yeah, right? So listen, look, there's as ever, there's shades of grreay within everything. Like if you drink alcohol, it does mess up your sleep patterns. It does. If you give up alcohol a protracted period of time, you sleep deeper, you sleep better. And certainly in this podcast, we're not like, you know, advocating anything. Obviously, this might come as a massive surprise to you trallers, but we're not medics, okay? O right O. But yeah, it's a bit bloody tragic, isn't it? And the thing that I've noticed is that I am quite susceptible to quite a lot of things that I see at the moment because I do care about my health greatly. And I'm at that age where you kind of either invest in it a bit and go that way or you don't, and you're going to get into difficulty in later life. So for instance, strength training is absolutely something I am an advocate of at my age I am that woman that's getting up in the morning I' rubbing jellel over my thighs and w be tide if I don't Yeah but that's fair enough. But did you not think this is all this kind of optimization culture, you've got to be the best. You can't put this in your body. Like when I was younger, I'm not saying this is the right way to do it, but you might go out if I had to go out and entertain for my works. I work agency side. we take out clients every Thursday. I was doing this when I was in my twenties. You'd go out, you'd be on the RAS and you'd be straight back at your desk the next morning at night nine AM I just feel like we're becoming so fragile now and this constant optimization about what we put in our bodies. And look, I look at my niece and nephew in their teens and I'm quite like I think iss amazing. They don't they don't really drink. they go to the gym. They're super fitt and healthy, but I'm also a bit like Where's the fun Okay You know, why are you not what's the point of being so super healthy and having this amazingly healthy life if you're too scared to live it You know, these people and you know I've got it in my life, you know, I've got it my family, peoplee that are so conscious of what they put in their bodies that they deprive, deprive, deprive, deprive, deprive to what end? Surely there's a bit of balance going on here, right? I think that's the keyword there, Marina Perkose, it's balance and You know, I'm not saying I've got it allsesterl, obviously not. But I do I quite like eating fairly healthily like because I enjoy food. so I quite like nice food if that makes sense. But then you know, orry six months I might stop at a motoray and have a disgusting burger. absolutely fine. But also the other day, I went to a day festival to celebrate my sister. My sister who's celebrating half a century this year. She's got two little kids. She works hard. so like a lot of people, she's spending a lot of her energy devoted to everybody else seeeeing my sister leap about on Saturday, having got rid of the kids for two whole nights, one by with my parents and one that her partner was gonna to go and take over and just let her be with her pals. Seeing her let loose. ree the sun was shining Some of us got a bit spangled, some of us didn't. The fact was the dopamine was firing there, Stephen Bartlet, because it was pure love, music, fun Ah, release Freedom Carefree and like so I mean, on the one hand, I did about twenty five thousand steps leaping about. on the another the next day my body felt about ninety years old. I was like Oh my go, what have I put it through. You know, but it was so fun and there were so many things that Is that healthy? I'd argue yes. Yeah look, we're not advocating being nuts. In fact, someone called Neuropark Lindseay wrote, I'm not talking about getting blackout drunk, losing a shoe, waking up wondering whose house you're in although that may or may not have happened to us. She's wrote, I'm talking about the obsession with sleep scores, step counts, recovery metrics, perfect routines, optimal Somewhere along the way, health became performance. and constant self analysis can quietly become obsession, restriction, anxiety hyper vigilance, you stop being present, you stop enjoying food celebrations spontaneity. And that is what bothers me about this. Joey Avery wrote I'm going to invent a wristband that tracks if you're being a buzzkill. And the cognition dietitian said, there's literally nothing less attractive than a man who talks about his sleep score. That is true. It's just like get up. Yeah, just get up, you had a shit night, sleep. A lot of life is attitude, isn't it It's just like reframing it, likeike you' be all right, it'd be fine. Nothings gonna to happen if you've got a bad night' sep. There are limits. like when you've got like a new baby or something, you're wandering it you can't bloody. D don't know if you're after all, Marth. Obviously sleep is really important. But again, yeah, just get a grip a little bit. G get a grip. Sat Afran wrote, Imagine your mate tells you he can't come to the gym this evening because he had three glasses of wine last night. And it's tr' like man up, woman up? Just be better, as my mom says, be better, be better And on that note, Lauren Razo wrote, Cecilia Nono hand built a house with no electricity and a donkey as the only transport after bottles of red and slept on a straw mattress. That's basically my dad. My dad is he's seventy six now. He's still got like a full head of hair, Mediterranean diet, does drink wine every single day. It's his own. like he makes his own like in the garden kind of he imports his grapes or whatever. everyvery day though. And I just think he's active, it's his attitude, he's you know, goes for it. and of course,'ll be people listening in Newk You know, you've got stuff in your family, like got herreditageary stuff. there's all sorts of things that you can' you can't positive attitude yourself out of yourself out of. But I'm just saying that this whole thing about being I need to be optimal, I think makes us vulnerable, makes us fragile, it makes us fucking boring. hold it back. Yeah. And it's an interesting thing because I think to not give your health any consideration is a little silly if you do love life, right? 'acause you only get one stab at it, you get one body. It's like if you just stuff it full of sugar and fags and all that shit, you are poisoning yourself and you're limiting your chances of having a healthy, ripe old age, right And yet there are some people who live like a puritanical you know monk and then sadly get some affliction. So again, balance, balance, balance. One of the best compliments anybody ever gave me. It was years ago. and it was this old friend of mine, I haven't seen for years now because lives in Australia it was a lovely guy calleded Adrian and eating and he went I love eating with you, Gemsie. And I went, why I reared my mouthful. He went, because you enjoy your food so much. I like That is a compliment. It's a compliment, I think. I just wonder sometimes with this like what what are we doing all for Like, you know, we're all ending up in the same place. In a hundred years, someone else will be living in our homes. You know, we're all ending up there. I don't need to, I think there's a quote like this, but it's basically, I don't need to arrive in my coffin in pristine condition. I need to slide in it, right? just you know a life lived I've lived without my whoop watch on my bloody wrist. And this episode is not sponsored by Whoop I'm not going to get a whoop watch, but Again, a very middle aged thing, Post Festival, gave me immense pleasure to check my step count on my Apple phone. I was like, o o o, that's fine. So I think that's absolutely fine. I think again, I think there's balance. If I get knocked over by a car today, I want to think there's some chance of my organs being helpful for somebody else, not just like Jesus Christ, not those ones No put them straight in the bin Right. let's end this because we've got sadly some really well quite quite dark stuff to talk about and you'll have seen it. It's what's going on in Southampton?'s horrendous reaction to The Henry Noak murder and the murder itself, which is just unforgivable and heartbreaking. But before we move on We'll end this section with this amazing take from Swinner Bergo Brand with his take on the whole three glasses of wine fiasco. Optimization culture has gone too far and it is spiritually killing us. Stephen Bartlet posted a video that he had a few glasses of wine and it ruined the next three days of his life. His sleep score was off, he ate poorly, and couldn't go to the gym Now take it for me, a reformed optimizer. I loged my activity for three years straight. When I woke, what I drank, whether I exercised, I tally this up at the end of the year. But for what? A moral superiority that I drank less or that I exercised five and a half days a week. We need a ninety sleep score, ten thousand steps a day, a bed cool to sixty eight degrees, six miles on strava, all for us to be better at sending emails or talking on a podcast We have gummies for sleep, supplements for stress, nicotine for focus, all done for the promise of a better, happier self. We've been optimizing for years yet somehow we are more isolated, more anxious, and less happy. So maybe what we need is three glasses of wine with our friends, a conversation of economically unproductive laps and a slice at two AM. Maybe we need to sleep in a day Miss the gym so that we can remember what it feels like to feel both dead and alive. Because ultimately life is felt through contrast. We have surrendered ourselves to the tyranny of measurement and forgotten what it means to live High interest debt is one of the toughest opponents you'll face Unless you power up with a so far personal loone A so far personal loan could repackage your bad debt into one low fixed rate monthly payment It's even got super speed since you can get the funds as soon as the same day you signed Visit sofi. com slash power to learn more That's soFi d. com slash PoW E Manses originated by Sfi Bank NA, member theCIC, terms and conditions apppply N MLS six nine six eight ny one Right, here we go into the meat of the trowl. Yeah, it's pretty reform flavoured and it has been a really difficult couple of days news wise ite distressing in some ways, but let's go back a little bit. So last week we touched upon the reform councillors who simply aren't up to the job. And then of course, we also talked about the guy who is going to go up against Andy Burnham in Makerfield. So a potential MP Robert Kenyon, the in witted Prig. And he's the one who said all those awful things I was slagging off women and saying that we can't drive and refuse to apologise and was going for Carol Voerman and all of that unpleasant stuff. and by the way, just on that, we'll do a goss on that because obviously I had my bit on Jeremy Vine talking to a David Brent guy from Reform yes,inch. We ow our Patreons of gos. We do. And yeah, I actually want to talk to you about some of the conversations that happened in the break I didn't expect them from him kind of made me feel like mayaybe form is his stepping stone to something But anyway, we will talk about that in the Ghs and I'll talk about why I was so absolutely bloody enraged that day. You said we'd talk about holiday romances as well. Yes,. we lose track, we lose track. Right. So I'll add it to the list. Listen to the state. She actually is doing that now. good. Thank you very much It Listen to you're like was it Jackie Weaver? Jackie Weaver, takeake the minutes. Right. Listen to the state of this interview with the sexist Bellen, that is Robert Kenyan. and this was shared by Reform Are Notour friends. We were a brilliant account actually over on Instagram One of go proposals is to introduce the G refield bill Sorry, The Great Rpeal Bill, which would act the Labourorss Employment Lives Act These are things there are things in that app that people make cl would rely on. So would you use support that policy? I'd ask to have a real deep look into that. It's you know I'd ask to before I give you Ion't like to give you answer to No, which I sh downreciate me see. I suppose The things that are in there in the RA bill that reform monster scrappers bans on zero hours contracts vally higher just keep supporting the right to sick pay from day one and a real reiew wage. wouldould you not want to claim self pay yourself from going around your room etcituation? Well, I don't get s paying ex I'm sef employed. I don't get holiday pay either. I'm self employed. so it's But for those who aren't self employed, being employ by the team, I'd have to have a good look to it sorry. No No m. Absolutely f. If reform scrapped the Equality Act as promised hundreds of thousands of one hundred days workplace protections, how does that sit with you? Again,'d know I'd have to have a good looking into to see which protections, you know I wouldn't like to make a snap judgment on something so important. That's fine, That's fine. if you need to look for like yourself God Almighty. The thing is, Robert Kenyon, I mean, even if you don't take a deep look into the policy, maybe take a shallow look into the policy, a brief look, just a look Is it good enough to just sit there and go, well, that won't affect me because I'm self employed. like I don't get maternity pay because I'm a man and I don't. E Is that not the reform mindset in a nutshell? It's like well, it doesn't affect me, so I don't give a shit about it. Why was the interviewer going fair enough? Fair enough. It's not fair enough Right. So if it's me and you obviously we've got a different approach. We'd be smagking around their head with the briefing papers, but she obviously wanted to just give him enough rope to hang himself I think she made him look a bit of a twerp fact that's an understatement A massive balance. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be yeah, mayaybe I'd just be going, Wh why haven't you had to look? Yes, you're right, correct. There are better ways sometimes to skin a cat than the approach that we would take. And look, we were going to talk about Nigel Farage and the fact that he was absent, you know, quite palpably absent because obviously there's this five million donations scandal following him around He doesn't want to ask questions about it. In fact, he's been so absent. that he's allegedly not made it to vote for the last seventy seven Parliamentary votes. So his last vote was on the eighteenth of march twenty twenty six, I believe And that was when He voted against regulations related to the Employment Rights Act. So again, Mr. Working cllass, the vote that he does show up for tells it tells you an awful lot. And by the way, he's also been saying again now he's got to ban working from home And obviously he's He's not attending Parliament, is he? Anyway, he's managed to find his voice hasn't he? He's made out from hiding. He's got his reason now. Yeahah. he's cropped up like a in Verua. So you'll all know the terrible utterly Braaking murder of this young lad, Henry Novak And I mean for me, watching the body cam footage And I know and I know I don't want to sound like one of those men who say something like, I've got a daughter, so I care when people get attacked. but I have got a nineteen year old son. And I think my so therefore your experience of watching something that would always horrify you, upset you, make you feel distressed, make you feel empathy for the family and indeed that lad even deeper because there's fear in there, fear that that could happen to your child. fe of the vulnerability that you have as a parent because once you're a parent doesn't matter what age they are. you know your heart is in them, you know what I mean? So if anything happens to them, it's just it has the capacity to totally destroy your life. And I don't know how the family going to come back from this. And what I will say is the levels of dignity dignity that the father has shown. The killer has had the book thrown at him. He's had the longest sentence he could be given I think you'll all know the killer is a Sikh man and he was carrying two knives, one of which was completely illegal, and that is the one that did the murder. And onene of the aspects of this that is so upsetting is You see the family and I will read out word for word in a minute Henry's father said on the record to the public And you see obviously Bellen's glore coming out trying to weaponize this Tragedy, Elon Musk, Koema, Elon Bloody Musk doing it. Yeah. And you also see how few brain cells some people have? And one of the aspects, and again, I was voice noting a bit that Natasha Devon, who's just like we were just both so enraged when we saw Farage preat from under his rock to do what he did But one of the aspects is that peopleeople who have no understanding of how the world works. Sing things like, Oh Stam like Faming starmer and it was like actually in this instance more is he supposed to do He's had the full force of the law. He has come out and condemned it and said that he's horrified and that it all made him feel sick And they were all saying things like, o, well you took the knee with George Floyd. And they're like, wow, you thickos. It is not comparable. George Floyd was killed by a police officer a police officer who went onto his neck and it took a long time and murdered him This poor lad, and I can't believe I have to draw this distinction, was murdered by someone and then the police came along and completely incompetent So that's the nuance there. I' saying competent again is an understatement. Y. J just listening to the listening to the way they spoke to him. They just didn't take him seriously. They So I think you have been stabbed, mate or Just I don't know how you watch that. And I don't know what was going through their heads. And there's been all sorts of talk about this and people that have worked in the And the police force are basically saying, you know, they point to There is a degree of there is a degree of Th these These recruits, many of you who are young They have not been in the force long because of so many of the cuts we've had, you know, they don't have the experience. And they are told, I guess time and time again, that the police force is systemically racist And so that will be an underlying thought that is in their head. But the thing that got me so much about this is that This was not a frenetic from Tick situation. This was and the police arriving it was fairly sort of calm and Henry is on the floor and struggling and telling them that he can't breathe and telling them he's been stabbed and they don't him seriously. No. I think one of the female police officers instinct. I think he's in trouble. I need to call an ambulance and it was the male police officer who just just seemed just unbelievable to me. It seemed so frigin obvious, sorry that this lad was in trouble and that the murderer Fine. Anyway, it's an absolute travesty. This is what Henry Novat's father said. We want to use Henry's heartbreaking story to make change for the better Do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension We want his story to help make our streets safer for everyone These are his family's wishes and they should be respected by all What a man I imagine to say that. Yeah, in that moment unreal and then Bastards that chose to ignore that call themselves patriotic. you vile people because you have decided no, I'm going to do get on camera Fage suddenly appears's been absent for so long. There's no journalists there There's nobody took hold into account and he goes down the lens And he tells people that they should be reacting with cold rage What Trump did? What's, you know E Musk, Tommy Robinson was on it as well And sure enough, riots are broken out Well done Rights are broken outside Southampspton Police station. Sam CKX wrote, There's not a single person in Britain who doesn't agree that the death of Henry Novak was a tragedy and the way the police handled it was absolutely disgraceful There's only one political party, however, who want to take that family's pain and prioritize it for their own benefit. And this is the bit yesterday that made me, I mean, I'm already enraged, right I'm already enraged But then Mukdar pointed this out. he actually found from Nigel Verarage and it was around the time Sarah Everard was murdered. R Sarah Everard, he was by a police officer. a man was a police officer and You know the rest of the story trarawers And do you know what Nigel Farge did then He didn't come out and do a public address ask for people's rage He didn't point the finger at you know, the police officers or whatever. Do you know what he did? This was his tweet We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police. Wow! Compare and fucking contrast Compare and contrast. please for the love of God, can I ask everyone to see this man for what he is? and what he's doing But he really cares about women and girls Yeah, it's just it's just absolutely outrageous. And another thing I think James O'Brien pointed out on his show It wasn't that long ago that Nigel Farage was sort of trying to intimate that Eastern European people were like eating swps and stuff And yeah, let's look at the name Novak. I'd imagine the heritage there is Eastern European. So the just the layers of hypxy, but also the immaturity, like the irresponsibility. you know just at times I feel this across the board now. We're living in a time when the gold's green stabbings happen when the Southport incident happened when this happens rather than just all come together and all agree that the event. is horrendous and that the families need to be priity their feelings. and then everything needs to be looked at to find out what's happened and why and obviously inquiries, which again, there's going to be a full inquiry into this matter, which they obviously absolutely should be as much as You know I' say for the thousandth time, we've got reservations about stama and like awful stuff It is so fucking dangerous to start ranting about the prrime Mister. who's got essentially nothing to do with this incident. but it's this handy conflation and the fact is all these people that you can see, right? these thugs have turned out in Southampton who are writing, who are throwing stuff at police who are you know setting bins on fire, who are just causing destruction The conflation for them, it's like they have got three dots in their head and they've all been joined. by Farage Musk Robinson and they're angry and they got notothing going for them. In fact, Super Tanski had a really good tweet. She wrote When the fuck will people wake up and realize that Farraage wants your anger The attention, outrage and violence of poor people makes him very rich That's why he incites and manipulates muchuch like MAGa People need to realize that this is a class war and reform are the elites. And these people taken to the streets don't give a shit about the safety of women and girls. dont It's just about race. It's just about they've got anger, they've got nowhere to put it. and they want to make someone feel worse than them. And there's another issue, which is I'm sorry, but it is It's ers, I know the majority of you are men. But why is it always men Why is it men writing I know there are women there and there there's a lot of women on those. Okay, fine, but why is the anger? Why is the whyy is the violence? Why is that for men This is I I don't understand. Another thing I want to point out, we've talked about on the trall because there's been stuff happening here that we've just not got around to it. But You know, the two boys, the two boys who raped that girl knife point and were let off basically by the judge. They didn't have a custodial sentence. Where was reform talking about those boys? In fact, where was reform talking about that judge For me, in my opinion, that judge is a disgrace, a disgrace who cared more about the future of those boys rather than the ruined future of that girl Right to let those boys run free. All I'm saying is they are very clear and vocal about whatever pushes their agenda and it's never about the protection of women and bloody girls. never M Well, look at that mananosphere episode that we did. I think it's linked to, you know, a lot of stuff that young men are consuming and older men as well, GB newews and YouTube and But now, can you imagine the message there now of those two boys any boy that's their age Yeah now knows They can go and rape a girl at knifepoint, video it, laugh about it. have video evidence and walk away Scot bloody free. I have a daughter again, doing that thing, but So she is just fair game Her future can be fged. can you can do whatever you want to her at knife point and be free. That's the message that judges is telling that boys of that age Like we're so Where are we going to address this issue? When are we going to address? it's like Assaults and abuse against women is on the rise. misogyn is on the rise. sexism. We've got this fucking makeaker field by election. This man might get in with his abhorrent views where no one is dealing with this properly. And honestly, I remember back when the tourism were in power, it was like, shouldould mdny be a hate crime? and they were like, no, Yes, yes, it fucking should. Sorry, if I m wrate today trawlers, but there' Very, very serious, very triggering stuff going on and we are not even scratching the surface of what we need to do. and it doesn't even get to like can't even talk about social media. The fact that you've got Elon Musk fanning the flames of this No one with the balls, no one with the strength to do anything about it to pull all of this into check. And then you've got Again, you've got AI. We're just spiraling No one doing anything meaningful to address any of this and who are going to be the casualties Women, children, our children, the next generations Great. Well done, well done guys. Mighty hoopler was a lot of fun. many Can you tell I need to unwind dancing to horse meat disco in the sunshine, a bit of Aber? Lovely. And also it's the campus festival going. It's like pretty much eighty percent people there are like gay or whatever. And so as a straight woman, you just get people come out to you going, Say, Oh my God, I love you dress. You're like amazing. and it're like, thanks. it's just so much fun. Oh the best compliment I ever got was from a gay guy in New York. and I walked past and he went, Girl, your shoes are fier. And I thought that won stay with me forever., I very much right. In the meantime, what people aren't asking questions like this John Ruker pointed out, Has Nigel Farage personally sued Ben Habib yet? Has Nigel Farage reported his hacked phone to the proper authorities yet? Has Nigel Farraage answered how his girlfriend afforded that house in Clackton yet Has Nigel Farage settled on a lie for that five million quid yet? And just listen, I know it's all grim Somebody said to me, and I think this be there might be a point in this. Okay, the boat crossings are down. Immigration numbers are like way, way down So There is an element of desperation here. They have to weaponize what they can to continue being. relevant And there will be people who might think Farage is all right. for whatever reason but seeing this and connecting some of the dots maybe put off. Maybe or maybe more royal. Most people don't want to go out and pick up a bin and throw it at a police officer I have no desire to do that personally. But it is just sinister the direction of trouble that they're taking. And you know who seems to be getting increasingly worse and actually more sinister. Yes. Well you do because know it's in the n. Yeah. But it's Yusuf.s Yusuf. S Yusf the most famous chairman in the world who by the way is givening himself a new title. He now signs off S, you sa shadow homeome secretary for UK. J whatever, I'm just going to change my email signature at work. I'm gonna to start signing off Marina Perkis, Vice president of all things You see what happens? Yeah. I'm just gonna be like head of tech ad of' a had of snacks Andrew Western MP pointed out, he's not a parliamentarian. He's not a member of the shadow cabinet. He's certainly not the shhadow homeome seecretary and he also missed limited. off the end of reform, UK. And yeah, he's terrible. And also again, for gullible people I think there's something about him and something about Layla Cunningham as well. It adds a veneer of like, well You know He's a man of color and she's a woman and she's saying all of this stuff. so you know Therefore, I'm more comfortable with it. Yes Always the way always the way and that's why we had it in the Tory party I'm afraid it it's tokenism and it's racial gatekeeping. and it's It's just awful. Izy Yusf is really, really going for Andy Berham. Some of this stuff again, I'm a bit like, how does it not across the kind of defamation line because Zeo Uf wrote Andy Burnham is part of the grooming gang cover up. Here's the proof He also wrote, Andy Burnham had the power to stop the grooming gangs. he chose not to And then he had an opid in the daily mail Zia Yusuf wrote, a reformed government will release all files on the grooming gangs. They're literally copying MAGa. We will release the Epstein files. And again, what's all files in the grooming gangs. What do reckon do you reckon people that are saying fighter bins are going to read these files? It's just complete bait. And then reform UK itself also going for Andy Berham in very pernicious ways saying, Andy Burnham has miserably failed the women and girls of Greater Manchester Yeah. I think though potentially the most stupid thing he said, which I just actually laughed at that point He said people are now demonstrably the biggest victims of racism in Britain Like Danny fucking prize deemmonstrably not Danny fucking prize, but shut the fuck up, you chpped it lacking wanker. And that's I think that's about the level that that comment deserves. it's ludicrous. Ludicrous. Why has he always got such dry lips? Just get some just get some u What was it? What was it Katy Perry saying about Cherry chapstick? G Cherry chapstick on those Anyway, look, yeah, not ideal Twlers not ideal. v here at all is it? And we're not in a great spot because we've got fascists. Breathing down our necks in the form of reform wanting to take over. and God knows what. It's in But we've got the people in power, Labour doing things that are completely authoritarian What the hell is this? The UK homeome office has banned two American political commentators from entering the country. So you've got Jen Yuger and Hasam Pika Both of whom were due to speak at events in London this week And they tried to get on their planes and they basically just couldn't. So our government home offffice cancellled their travel authorization, saying their presence would, I'm quoting here not be conducive to the public good. For fuck's sake. Yes. Exactly. Jenk Hugar is the founder of the Young Turks, so he's been on CNN and NPR and he's like a really big deal in American left wing media. said The British government is saying they're banning me because I am a serious risk to the public order due to my criticism of Israel They say that my charge that Israel controls the American government through donations to ninety four percent of Congress Wh factual is anti Semitic nonetheless, I don't know if facts will soon be banned in Britain And Sgita Mishka wrote, The UK government should reverse its ban on Jenk from speaking at Oxford. I follow Jenk for some time. He is an influential American critic of Israel's war on Gaza. He's also a strong voy calling out anti Semitism. too try and paint him as an extremist is wrong. and the serious infringement of free speech And Jeremy Corbyn's been speaking out. all sorts of people have. So yeah, and the Oxford Union we're actually gonna to host Yuga. and they said they're deeply concerned and they're looking at moving it online, which tells doing. I hope they do it online And also the whole point of the Oxford Union is to hear views that you might disagree with, but yeah, it's pretty shit. It's really, really quite worrying I reckon you could probably criticize the UK goovernment and still be allowed in the UK But you can't criticize to the degree he has, the Israeli government. And it all points back to power of the Israeli government lobby in our politics. And if you' in any doubt about that Have a listen to this clip. It was posted by the Scottish Nationational And what you'll hear is the very beginning of a government home affairs commommittee meeting and the caption that was posted was See how many members of the Home Affairs Committee are members of Labour Friends of Israels MPs in this clip. are meant to be exploring the decisions to ban McAabeee fans, this is from attending the match at Vina Park last year. But just have a listen when they have to declare their potential conflicts of interest. Before we start, if members of the committee could declare any relevant interest, then I will declare that I am a member and officer of Conservative Friends of Israel. I'm a member of Labour Friends of Israel L friends of Palestine, but I'm also for forty years the spouse of Lord Man who's the government's independent unpaid advisor on anti Semitism. And I'm the all party Parliamentary group chair against anti Semitism. I'm a member of Labor Friends of Israel traveled with labour friends of Israel to Israel in May of last year. I also attempted to travel to Israel would they center for the advancement of Arab British understanding and was banned from entry into Israel I'm also a member of the Board of Deputies of British Jews And I received a donation from the Libdem friendriends of Israel before the last elect. L what is this? Why are so many people in our government connected to Israel Why is Israel so represented versus any other country It's the same in America, isn't it But why When are we going to start asking questions? when are we to stop? just thinking this is normal and allowing this to be normal Have you seen Trump had an argument with Netanyahu on the phone D. Yeah. Yeah I mean we have to sayve that probably for another episode or maybe next week. I don't know if we're going gonna get to it this week, but it's all kicking off. Yeah. On that note, the next episode that will come out on Friday is going to be the Ns, looking at the needs, which is these not in employment, education or training and just looking at what it is to be a young person in Britain at the moment, but also some of the wise and maybe some of the solutions and some of the sort positive things that we could look at going forward and some interesting new voices as well Yes, yes. We're just sticking on this for now, just sticking on this banning of of these two American commentators This is what really sickens me. And actually Owen Jones did a fabulous piece about this on his substack. He wrote Ask yourself this. What would happen if these two people were US commentators who supported Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people? What if they had declared, say, I'm glad Israel has wiped Gaza from the face of earth, or good on Israel for slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinians. Or I hope Israel finishes what it started in Gaza Would they be barred from Britain they be treated as a threat to public order I think we know the answer, right, trarawlers. We do, right? I don't know. I don't know. I think if theyd put it like that, there might be question marks. They'd be banned, Gemma They would not be banned. No Can I tell you why they would not be banned becausecause we've seen who is welcome in this country with open arms given the red bloody carpet treatment. Again, Iw when Jones touched upon this, the Israeli foreign Minister Jemmar, Gideon Zar, he has previously declared that Gaza must be smaller at the end of the war. He also said, whoever starts a war against Israel must lose territory and said Gaza in its previous form has no future. Well, he visited Britain for a private meeting with then Foreign Secretary David Lamy. That was in april twenty twenty five, or the Israeli President Herzk He said It's an entire nation out there that is responsible. and this was after october seventh. It's not true, this rhetoric about civilians not being aware and not involved This is a guy basically saying all of Palestine is kind of to blame Again, Herzog visited Britain in september twenty twenty five Met Starmer in Downing Street Okay, good point. Well, made Marina Purk. There you go. Thank you. well, there you go. there you go Thank you very much perhaps we got told we got told bigig time L Nancy the other day on Jeremy Vine. Yeah deah. I think it's ' my poor head can't take any more streng. Basically, I tell you what is. I'm turning into the rest of the British population. I'm like, oh, I' just got to check out for my own for my own well beinging. I haven't got the bandwidth Right I've reached limit. I've reached my limit, forwers. I'm putting an end to this. There were more things on the running order. I don't want to talk about them anymore. Genuinely, she's just said that. She's just said, you're making me anxious now, Marina. I'm checking out Checking out, I'm going to go and do something silly before I edit this episode. What should I do I go to look at some snails in the garden Why't go get those chopsticks out? giveive them a little bit of a tap tap tap tap tap Oh my dad and my step momom Sally, they do a long drive to Dorset quite a lot. and I got a text from him the other day saying we just had an absolute trarawler on. We did three in a row. And I said, Oh, did you do the chopsticks about what Murll bought. and they went, Yes, we did very very funny. And I thought, Oh, they've learned a lot about me and you in that one. this is it. And I was at work the other day I was in the office one of my colleagues was like, Ohh by the way, I was in the car,. we were driving back they had a long jney get up and say it's like a few hours his and his wife said, Ohh, I've just decided listen to this new podcast. She should listen They push you on the troll and he's like, I think I recognized that vice And I'm like, oh my god, my colleagues at work now hear us talking about Sexual sexual. Yeah, that's weird whatever. Yeah good episode that though, different vibe to today's And this is, you know, this is thing. here we are trying to make sense of what's happening in the world? Oh my God, by the way, we haven't even mentioned show update How is that? O show, you bll end like a f show Quick update and we'll talk about this at the top of the next episode probably which is where we probably should have put this. Where are we at? Jesus Christ? Basically, we're doing a show on september seventeenth at the Bloomsbury Theatre in London. and I think the stalls have mainly sold out. Yeah They've opened up the circle and the gall. They've opened up the circle I would have fought here? So if you want to peer down at this like a parrot, then G to the link in the description. And also we're going to be in Manchester november the eleventh and twelfth and I think that This is interesting. So that venue is small, right? It's like a hundred people. so nice and intimate. and they said, oh, it's sold. so we've made it biger. I'm like, Well, they do making an extension Is it like Trump with a bll ring I think there's more space available, so I think there are still some tickets. Just come and join us. It's bas are you going to be uplifting. They might be a bit depressed and stuff, depends what's going on in the news, but we will try and be uplifting and it's just a place to come and just it is your echo chamber. Come and step into the echo chamber with us. You will laugh. I promise you will laugh and you will leave feeling hopeful connected, less alone and actually I suppose quite upbeat, weirdly. Yeah. Oh, the last two shows we did were completely ridiculous. I don't want to give any spoilers. No, because we might rehash some of it. But if we just say by the end we were wearing crowns and had sashes on that said, King Charlespaniel and Queen of the Side hose, you might get the flavour Gosh. and unlike Stehen Bartlett, we did we had a couple of drinks before we went on optimization there. self optimization. Right. Okaykay. this is an underrated of the week. I might be about to ruin a song for you trarawllers because there's this new account that I follow on Instagram called Gold Crown Brothers. and basically what they do is they ruin songs. They ruin songs by pointing out the lyrics like this Springsteeen number. Sorry, I'm about to ruin it for you. little girl Not a bad diesel Oh Okay. Hey little girl. It's your daddy home? It's your daddy home. I got a bad desire. R desire. R. Have you been to Esteeen Island Bruce Srst, so we don't the. Well, exactly. love Bruce Sprstin. but fuck those Yeah It's a sort thing hereah you're just saying along, not thinking about it too deeply and suddenly're like Okayool cool. Right to counter that, let's give you a pate cleanser with this absolute lead of a man, Olivier Niehouse who was face to face in a debate With a man who is worried about women's hatred of men and he gets put right to bed is Normalization of hatred for men. more prevalent than for women. And I would say yes, overwhelmingly. So where do you see the hatred of men primarily? I'm just curing Well, I see it in women's marches and I see in general conversation when women are like, I don't need a man I don't need a man. Yeah. Okay so I'm curious. If a man were to say, I don't really need a woman, I'm happy living my life the way I am. I enjoy my career, I enjoy where I'm at, I'm just not really in a position where I need a woman. Would he be hating women by making that type of statement such a sentiment women Yeah. would you say they hate. Well, that's not celebrated though. That's not something that's. But that's not what I said th I said, is that an example of hating women Is that an example of hating men? you said an example of hating men is saying I don't need a man. Yeah, but but they're doing it In a way to put down men, they're doing it because they view the patriarchal structure of society as being an inherently bad thing. Why? Because I think a society in which is structured so that men have certain advantages over women unfairly is unfair to them. I don't think attacking patriarchy or the advantages that men get is in any way attacking them. There's a famous phrase to the privilege Qualality feels like oppression.andry is normal. It's very normalized to the point where we don't even realize. give me an example That's what I'm wondering a But the examples you gave me were women trying to live their lives of their own autonomy and accord, which is saying I don't need a man which is Fine. I don't see what world you view that as hatred unless you think you're entitled to women Yeah, but That's the only way I interpret that is a hatred of man. I'm being as charitable as I literally possibly can. I've literally heard women say I hate men. Of courseally. Absolutely. And to the patriarch. O course when say deeath to the patriarchy means death to the societal structures and which give men more societal power than women for no reason That's not the hatred of men unless you think men ought to have that power because they are men That is the only way you interpret it that way. So all I'm showing here is a lot of these ideas of what you think Missandre is are just your misogynistic instincts and assumptions being exposed. Ga, I am rubbing my knees.ubbing Oliar, you are. That is my kind of guy. That is kind of guy. G He's really got it st. He really understands. L the penny hasn't just dropped, like he owns it The other guy was like a goldfish was like He did not get it. So that is fabulous. Absolutely brilliant. Should we just do one last little thread? go on Aarry Shannon Sorry I've been distant and sad lately. It's just that I'm dealing with the crushing existential dread of living on a beautiful planet, bursting with life and love and instead of just getting to enjoy it I have to watch while the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet kill everything in their path on their quest. to hold the most amount of money possible Well, Marina and I've got the solution for that, haven't we If that's what you're feeling, everybody Do you know what we suggest? Three glasses of wine. Right, let's leave you with pudding. goosh, that was a roller coaster. That was a roller coaster Well, thank you so much for joining us for it. We love trarawling so much. We look forward to these weekly meets. We'll have another episode for you for showa on Friday and you never know we might We might sneak another one out, but we're nice TBC TBC. And speaking of the roller coaster, you know, drop us a little comment on Spotify And because we read every single one of those. Do you like the roller coaster? Is it a bit much sometimes us some live feedback and if we like it we'll harart it. And if we don't, we'll ignore it, okay? Have great, great rest of the weeks, and we'll see you really soon. and thank you as ever for listening pudding for you, of course we do. It's an amazing speech. Marina found this from Josh Rushing So do you want to tell him about it? Yeah. So Josh Rushing is basically a correspondent for Al Jazeera. And this is the speech he gave after winning an Emmy for his documentary kids Under fire