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Apple’s plot to crush openAI hits hard

Jul 17, 20261h 33m
Summary

The hosts delve into recent developments in the tech industry, beginning with a critical look at Apple's latest software updates and the integration of new AI capabilities into Siri. They examine how the transition from traditional, predictable systems to more complex, LLM-based agentic workflows creates significant friction in everyday tasks. Despite the increased potential of these tools, the hosts note that basic reliability has declined, leading to a user experience that often feels unpredictable and brittle. The conversation then shifts to the legal battle between Apple and OpenAI. The hosts analyze the lawsuit, which focuses on alleged theft of confidential information and trade secrets by former Apple employees who moved to OpenAI. They place this litigation within the broader historical context of Apple's past legal conflicts with industry giants like Microsoft and Samsung. By framing the current dispute as an attempt to push the boundaries of trade secret law, the hosts explore whether this action is an existential threat to OpenAI or a strategic maneuver by Apple to secure its pipeline and protect its culture of intense internal security.

Updated Jul 17, 2026

About This Episode

It's public beta season, which means David and Nilay have been upgrading some devices this week. We talk through the good and bad of our early experiences with Siri AI, and what it'll take for next-gen Siri to be a hit. After that, we discuss the real reason Apple decided to sue OpenAI over trade secrets, OpenAI's forthcoming smart speaker, the new Pixel colors, our emoji strategies, Brendan Carr, and much more. Further reading: Apple’s public betas for iOS 27 and more are out now  Siri AI makes the Apple Watch finally feel like a wrist computer  Siri AI is already changing how I use my iPhone  The macOS 27 public beta is worth it just for the Liquid Glass tweaks  Apple sues OpenAI for allegedly stealing hardware secrets  Suno snatched millions of songs from YouTube, Genius, and Deezer Sam Altman didn’t need another lawsuit  The 6 wildest claims in Apple’s lawsuit against OpenAI  Another turn in the Apple v. OpenAI dispute.  OpenAI has a new statement about Apple’s lawsuit.  OnePlus officially gives up on the US and Europe OnePlus is dead in the US. Did it ever have a chance? Samsung shows off ‘brand new shape’ for Z Fold 8 in Spider-Man teaser OpenAI may announce a ChatGPT smart speaker this year  OpenAI finally launches hardware… for Codex Pixel Watch 5 leak shows off four different finishes  The Pixel colors might rule this year  The PS6 sure sounds like a handheld  Brendan Carr plans to let broadcast giants dominate the airwaves X admits its broken algorithm made the site feel like a ‘battleground’  States make last-ditch effort to stop the Paramount ‘media behemoth’  Paramount lead trial counsel on state AG suit: This merger is pro-competitive The new cracking face emoji might be an all-timer.  Google’s Demis Hassabis says it’s time for a global AI watchdog — led by the US  Google and Epic give up fighting — third-party Android app stores are coming next week Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:01:00 Intro 00:02:00 Apple Betas and New Siri 00:08:00 Gemini Car Assistant Fails 00:15:00 Apple Sues OpenAI 00:18:00 Trade Secret Law Explained 00:28:00 Settlement or Long Fight 00:35:00 OpenAI Home Device Doubts 00:42:00 Smartphone Platform Lessons 00:50:00 Pixel Colors and Naming 00:52:00 OnePlus Retreat Explained 00:55:00 Carriers and iPhone Lock In 01:05:00 Brendan Carr Bribery Scandal 01:14:00 Emoji Lightning Round 01:18:00 X Algorithm Rediscovery 01:23:00 Foothills Of Singularity 01:29:00 Paramount Merger Spin 01:33:00 Wrap And Plugs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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