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Anyways, Mary's down bad. She's staying at home. She is apparently capable of working. So she is listening, taking notes, but she can't speak, but she is with us both in spirit and she's here kind of. We have a jam packed episode. lots to talk about like That was some of the best reality TV I watched last night with the finale of Summer House and the premiere of In the City. I'm super into in the City. I don't I think it's so much better than the Valley. I don't know. Maybe okay. they have a bit of a cheat. I think obviously with the all of the Samanda and the interest behind it. I think As someone who has always loved the vibe like I love a New York City centered And I feel like in the city is really giving us like the chance, like a reality sex in the city a vibe where, you know, I love the relationships that we get to unpack. I love like, you know, I think Justin you're talking about the summer house is more like singles and dating in the city is like obviously valley based, but I don' know there's something about the I don't know, the hustle and bustle of New York. Also, I feel like with Summerhouse, you know how they like list the jobs, you know, like West journalists and you go Kyle, like CEO and even mana creative director. like they're And I think for the most part, they're like CR nurse Like these real jobs And I feel like in the valley, they don't like I don't know what any of them do. I know Jesse and Michelle do real estate. I know that I was gonna say the exact same thing. You were. Yeah, no, I'm just like the thing with the valley is that it's like you're kind of like watching people like be bop around where it's like they kind of have no purpose where that was kind of my issue watching this season. whereere I'm like, whyy are Schwartz and Michelle getting together in ass sault room to talk about a trip to San Diego? This just doesn't happen I'm like New York, it's like, oh, they're at a bar and they're all talking about. he's like past dating life and like, oh, he brought this girl over from New York and it was just like, they're all involved, but they all like are like hard wororking people that are like, all right, we're out. We', you know, getting the full debrief. You know what I thought was an amazing scene I in the city the grocery store Amanda and Lindsey because it's, you know, it's like that was like a real life moment. It seemed like they were literally grocery shopping. Everyone else, every other one of these shows, it's always like they're on the couch at home or they're like at a bar having a drink, like they're not like doing things. There was something about them grocery shopping together and like a different type of scene that made it feel more like a Almost like a scripted show in a way that or it's like, let's go on a hike and then they stop as soon as they and they're like, let's sit down on this bench. Like let's finish our conversation and then we'll just go home. I don't know. I just I really loved that. I thought it was great. I was so fucking locked in. No, that's a good point. when she was like, I need some fruit. And I was like, Ohh, I need some food too. And I was like, you're right. It kind of feels like they fit the filming schedule into their actual lives versus their actual lives being fit into a. I notice this too because recently with Salt Lake City, a lot of people have been posting like the girls just like waiting in a loby before the cameras start with like lights set up. and it's like it breaks the mysticism, but also it looks like they're waiting for the for the scene. Yeah versus this looks like the camera showed up for the already preree existing event. All right, Lindsy and Amanda have twenty minutes I guess we're doing this at the little go let's go Also just like shut out to a maning. And I say that because like these people really like that, you know, talking about ten years and everything they've gone through and the conversation they had where they separated, like, I don't know. Maybe that's the first time they had a conversation. Maybe it's like they're on camera conversation, but these are two people who clearly have committed their lives to this show and this audience in a way that is authentic that you just don't see that. I think with other really heartfelt deep conversations. And I just don't like these people aren't actors. like and I think the way that they have shown up for our entertainment is Yeah, I feel like I was gonna say the when Amanda when they had released the statement and she comes over to the house and he's like, oh, you still have your key. And then he's like, you look really skinny A are you eating? You know? L that And that whole conversation, that whole scene It did. It felt very like I shouldn't be listening to this, you know? L this is like a private conversation and I feel like I should leave the room, but also I'm so locked in on like hearing everything that the two of you have to say. Be we usually see them at the house up in the Hamptons and now we're in their apartment. I know they've shown like a few time scenes like that, but this felt like It really felt like a BTS in a way that was very And hearing. And hearing Kyle be like Wing Summer House backack, it really seems like you had this emotional affair with him And her reaction to that it's just it was wild. What do you think Sar? I agree. L I was like it was it was interesting to watch because obviously like I have my little like critical like where I'm like, u Breaking up or like confessing the truth to people where I'm like, I think being able to say like like when she was having that conversation with Kyle, it just kind of felt like she was she couldn't say the actual truth at the same time. everythingverything she was saying was truthful at the same time. Does that make sense? Like two things can be truth at the same time or I'm like, you're admitting a lot. But at the same time, I do believe that you wanted things to work out. I do believe that you're sad that this marriage ended the way that it did, but I'm like I'm also like I don't know. Some of it was just like tough to watch. So to your point, yeah, I do feel like I was like a part of a conversation with. Well we will certainly break down the dirty details of the episodes of both episodes Summer House in the city will also get into the Valley. There's so much unpack. We also have the new trailer Before the reunion, one of the most intense trailers, I mean, that was I felt like I I felt like it was theater. It was Broadway, it was cinematic art. Yeah. Lots to get into. But before we do, we also have Demari from Perfect Match and great conversation with him. He is caught up in a love affair with Marissa who if you remember was on loveove is blind. And you know, I wonder Marissa Lover, you know what? It's a dating show. She first she's like attached to Demari and then she's like making out with some other guy at the mixer. She's I'm trying I'm trying to figure out Marissa. Anway. I think so it was Demari we We have a conversation with him. understand great guy. I really enjoyed my time with him and he really seems like I really really became a fan more of a fan of him having had a chance to talk with him. and I'm excited for you guys to hear that interview. Before we get to the perfect match conversation end tomarri Did you guys setent me, was it you, Justin? about which which Mormon wives have unfollowed or which ones followed Jordan and Dakota, which I would mostly roll my eyes at this type of reporting in the in the weed reporting. But when it comes to this particular group particular group of people and women clearly use the follow and unfollow to communicate to each other and their audience. I would usually roll my eyes at this type of stuff, but I do feel like this kind of like it's hard not to analyze why some of these women have unfollowed and some of them haven't unfollowed. So who is following? I was gonna to say Nick rose his ey. I'm over here like, oh my God, the amount of like energy I applaud it, the amount of energy it needs for people to like every day every second like check who's like following who it's just too many people to track Anyways, so who's still following Dakota and Jordan are Jen Affleack, Mkaela, andmiranda. Interesting. Did't see that coming. It appears Macy recently unfollowed that I just saw Jesie and Macy doing a like my ride or die reel together and they were I felt like her Macy and Michaella Obviously last season, were a really tight triangle We saw Just and I saw Jesse, Macy Layla and Miranda at the g the get out Hulu event and they all seemed togetheret and cohesive. There wasn't, there wasn't tension. they were They all seem aligned so to speak. It didn't seem like they were like, it wasn't like a Jessie Certainly and Miranda and Layla doesn't follow them, but Miranda does. It would appear. I'm like Michala, I guess I kind of understand in the sense of feuding with Taylor that I guess maybe she has some sort of different siding because I just rememember her and J saying the whole stuff with like there's more to the story or whatever when the whole Tayor story broke But I'm just kind of like, but we've also heard Michaela say time and time again, I'm team the kids. And if you're team the kids, then why not unfollow both of them? Right. I mean, you're definitely choosing a side. Yeah, whatever's going on between you and Taylor Frankie Paul, if you're Michala Like to me, there's not a question of whether like Dakotaas problematic and if he's done things to harm his family. And obviously there's a lot of thoughts and feelings about Taylor Frankie Paul, whether She is a victim of his actions and this is a negative response. is terrible Is it's Ben at times or is she more of the you know, everyone can debate that. but I just don't feel like amongst these women, like I am surprised that they wouldn't want to distance themselves to Dakota and the fact that some of them still follow Dakota and Jordan. They also very deliberate since they are like doesn't who there's a lot of people I follow that I don't fuck with because I don't, you know, I don't like I don't use the unfollow Miranda doesn't doesn't follow them anymore. So I don't know if that was. Oh, so that means I think that she guess she saw the post and someone's like, yo And she it's kind of like a reminder It's kind of like when all the news broke about James Kennedy and Aly Lubber. and Nick and I got messages being like, Hey, why are you still following James? And we were like, oh Godd, yeah. why are we? like forgot all about that.ike he hasn't posted in a couple weeks. so haven't seen him on my for you page. You know. So sometimes itsakes someone like So Miranda has since unfollowed. So Miaela also doesn't follow them anymore. Okay Mia I'm going through this, like I up checking. So nobody follows. No one any Well looks like they might have like sw What about Jen Affleck That's underchking right now. Yeah, she's a whole different show now, so I' still not convinced she's on orrange countount. I am she bought a house in Newport She's been living here for since dancing with the stars. I just I was told by a very involved person with that show that Zach and I quote, Zack fucked that up for her. And she wasn't like only the only I don't think they're separated. And the only thing I don't think anything official mayaybe I'm wrong, but the only thing that's come out is from Jen Affleck, not anything from the show W Kulu. Hulu has commented on Jin's post, being like, Woohoo loveve you girl or something like that. Jin does still follow both of them Maybe she just doesn't care Maybe she's unplugged, I don't know Can I just have like one like random gripe about the OC spin offff? If only one of the women are Mormon, like why couldn't we still have this franchise but just be like secret lives of influencer wives or secret lives of like why do we have to keep the Mormon of it all if they if it's not going to be focused around the fact that they do this mom talk plus being Mormon? That is true. It could be it like secret lives could be the thing that secret lives are sea wives I will say there are a couple people that are Mormon or ex Mormon on the cast, which is the same as this current cast where some of them weren't currently practicing Mormon it is technically. Majority of them aren't wives. a lot of them are married, you know Well, they're not No, I know, but like real housewives of Whatever, like a lot of them are Yeah, the definition is like evolving Right, but it's like even the real housewives of like when we just were changing the city, but I'm like secret liives of Whatever, but I'm just like, I just don't think we need to keep the Mormon of it all if that's not really the central thing. Do we technically know the official title is secret lies and Mormon Wise?ange they just been calling it OC? canan't just call it OC. The streets have been saying OC. yeah. Just OC. L' Marissa and Ryan, Summer and Sad. No You're. It's seecret lives of Oange County Secret li M Orangeounty whichich is the longgest title to ever live. So I do feel like it needs to be shortened. S LM W OC. Slim up. S up. I hate it. Too much. Sorry This is something that bothers me where I'm just like, I feel like that franchise we would totally get that they're connected. just The name That's not the central focus. I'm fine with watching a bunch of influencer podcasters, public figures being out and about and what their lives are like, But like the Mormonism of it all just like doesn't need to be there where it makes sense in Utah. I'm excited regardless. I hear it's going to be a great show I'll watch it. I said that but in the city, I was like, yeah, am I not watching that and they're like hooked In the city is amazing Sierra, what are what is catching your attention on perfect Match? I think yeah, it's it's It's interesting. I'm still getting sucked in, you know, Jimmy P being the man about town. and like it's just it's just a very different version of Yeahah. Lve is blind than I'm used to seeeeing Allie As a main character versus James's girlfriend has been very interesting. It's also like Alie bringing the Lo Island. You know what I mean? Yeah flirting and things You see and just like, but like all over the place and like I love how much they're just kind of like drinking and having fun on this show though I'm like, they're literally just like,, I don't know. I'm watching them talk. Allie is so cute. I'm sorry. For vocal st up Hi, Jimmy, Jimmy. You' going to like spy and then do you think that was a terrible idea. They' been waving Oh my god, the other the spying. So yeah, Alli and Jimmy are are what's catching my eye, but it's weird recognizing people from other shows and seeing like how they unfold in this light. Do Missa to me is like a different version of Misa? Because she was so kind of like the straight They're in there in her couple the military knows what she wants. Yeah, and then this one is just like, I'm jealous I don't know why. Yeah. So. Well, she claims to know what she wants, and that was Demari. and then she went to this mixer and fully just was played trruth or dare once and was dared to make out with Weston. she was like, all right, guess I gotta do it. It's truth or dare And then then she comes back. She's like, I gott to be honest with you. This happened. Now we're just gonna to both forget it ever. Like she completely You can't be mad We're not gonna j.ike she processes it for him. Yeah. I have a question for the group. If you're locking down first episode or early in the experiment, are you treating this as a game rather treating it as finding your perfect match? And I'm referencing Marissa and Deemari where it's D one, they're like, okay, cool we're together But then like now that they're kind of exploring other matches, they're like, well, we'll just ignore that, but like let' stay together, which to me gives andm plotting to win. Right. And Marissa wasn't giving plotting to win for a TV show And maybe it's just like good performing on her part, but I don't think that's said. It was giving I'm obsessed with this man Maybe just as soon as she walked in, she was like, yeep Nope, no, no. yeah, Damari's the only one for me. No You know, And she just was like, all right, this if I'm gonna like be here, this is my only the only person mean that is a real thing because like when you are going on a love competition show with the expectation to like pair up with someone, like I know it's always hot people. like everyone has preferences and everyone has types and like they're usually you're just I'm not into most people and yeah, there's an Usually the second someone opens their mouth, you're like, yeep, never mind. you were hotter before. You have like one yeah, you're definitely like into maybe one person. And you have to sleep next to them. Like you have to share a room with these people. We have to sleep in the same bed as these people to get comfortable with them, I guess But also like we voted Chris out because like we thought he was the one that was like treating this as a game. I think Jimmy literally told us, it's a game, I'm here to win. I was like even Ali was like when Jimmy was talking to somebody else and she was like Shit, I'm going home. I'm going home. So I'm like I think it's very apparent that there is an element of this that like I might not find my husband here. But what is the prize? The tri trip Tp with that person. do you remember last season, last season we were rooting for a different couple and then just the random last minute couple got it. Yeah, the people that pairred up at the last minute. Yeah. So, you know I just Then I don't really understand the appeal, I guess unless it's just TV time. I just feel like it's not a show where you could be like, you're not here for the right reasons. Yeah. It just doesn't apply to like the format. That's why I feel like when people Like I felt like this was the first season that people weren't really getting that mad that the other person was making out at the mixer or doing whatever because it's like honestly, like we weren't it wasn't. You know what I you know, so many of these shows, Perfect Match, Bachelor in Paradise in the recent season have clearly tried to take from Love Island And what has worked for them Right. But I think the thing that they seem to be missing the most is the soundtrack. I think that's what makes Love Island so visceral and so like I don't know what it is. Last summer, like so many reasons why I can't wait for Love Island, but the soundtrack, like I would I would listen to that shit all the fucking time. There's some good jams on there. They're finding new tunes and there's like and then when you're listening to it, you it connects you with what you watched and it's like the music that like some of the, you know, it's mostly it's royalty free, it's generic. and it is just not the same as like a hidden gem like it's like remember when I think it was Love is Bine. I think it was Jimmy P But when they used Manchild No wasas like Jimmy P. It wasn't. Oh my God. what was it was the most recent season. Who was it? It was the guy that's what he left the fitting Oh, oh, oh, u, the one was the nomad. The the nomad? Who said the po Joe, it was Joe. Joe was the one that walked away with the m. R, okay. Yeah love was going something. But like they I remember they used that Man Child's Ra Carpenter on like his exit. It was like the last five seconds of the show and everyone was like, Netflix spent their bag to get that song and it was so worth. That's what I'm saying. I don't know what this shit cost and like I don't know what Love Island is paying to do this, but I really think that is because like why when you watch like when you're watching pererfect Match versus Love Island, you know, really, what is the fucking difference? L why are the competitions Un loveve Island. So like fun and so like You're so like like locked in and I really think it's like the music that heightens it up. There is something about that these songs that we connect with or even if you haven't heard them, there's like There's a difference between like great music that's produced by like It's like when you talented people versus like royalty free. Yeah, when you see someone's Instagram ad on Instagram and it's like a real and you can obviously they had to use royalty free music because the brand wasn't gonna to pay and it like just doesn't hit the same. doesn't hit. And I'm just curious when youre when you're producing these shows, obviously budgets arent involved, but like really I really think that's part of the secret sauce of Love Island It is But by the way, I went back and tried to watch. There's one specific scene of when Kaylor. I knew you're going to ring this offes because that scene specifically to me always just like hit me so hard. I remember recording it on my phone And then I went back to watch it on Peacock and I was like, what is this music? I was like, this is not what I remember. Like So I think they have they pay for like a certain period And then even the main song, if you go back and watch like the main theme song, I don't think it's the same for like seeason six or whatever it was. I also wonder because it's dreamed on Pacock and it's maybe Warner or Universal NBC Universal and Universal Music Group, that I'm like, I wonder if they get those songs like for a specific time and then they have to change it. But yeah, I mean, it makes the difference because you watch it and you're like, wow, this emotional like song just like hits Yeah, because like you're just I just always wonder why sometimes it doesn't hit quite the same. No, you're so right. Anyway, we got a great conversation with Damari coming up next and you will definitely enjoy this conversation. He gets into all the things that are going on with him in the perfect matchhouse. with Marissa and then he had his ex girlfriend show up and that was a wild conversation. He answers all our questions. And then coming out of that conversation, we are going to get into all things summerhouse in the city, The valley so much to break down. It was just wild television so many easaster eggs to discuss and we will do it. out of Dar. Well, before we get to Demari, don'tget to sign up for Vow Files pllus where all Vowfowil' episodes are ad for free. 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He definitely did look very He look small stature and size like everything. he looks small because like I mean, you got Jimmy Sotos who's a a six four basketball player, Ohio state Me, Yeaman, also Jacked. Even Chris, Chris is kind of Jack too. He's not a small guy. The only thing Chris used to do in the morning, first of all, he'd be shaving all morning 'cause he gets like chained. He's got that five o'clock on his chest. He's a hairy dude. he'd be shaving all morning and then he would be doing like these like banded bites Oh my God. What somebody told you about this? No, we on this show. It's like they did whole montage of He kept leaving like one of the mixers or whatever to like go and do a couple more curls in the room. I mean, crazy. I said this was love about Chris because I don't know Chris was on our show age of attraction. so we got to know Chris well. Chr M like Chris He does and I say this with love. I think some of Chris's quirks comes from a place of insecurity as a lot of ours. thank you. is a lot of ours. But he does it in a way that's So silly and so goofy, you're just like Maybe you aren't toxic, you know. But it's like a he's like kiha. Here's a purse. Marry.. The flag is red, but you're like, this is so cute. Like I the red Rd. Yeah it's a good shaade. I guess if you like fluorescent stuff, but yeah Well you came into perfect match and you were a hot commodity You were definitely like a lot of the women had their eyes on you And you locked in with Marissa veryery quickly. Or Or you could say Marissa locked in with you. Well, she did whisper to you. If you don't choose me, I' fuc can kill you. He was like, Oh God, you heurardt Okay. He was like, I thought I was gonna die. Now before we say anything else, we love Marissa. We've had the pleasure of interviewing her. We have met Marissa in person. She is a love person. We also love her mom for standing up for her. on love is blind Her mom, I believe if my memory serves is has g has served for our country. bothoth of them have as well as Marissa. So there there is a certain level of grit behind there. and I don't think we quite saw that because on Love is Blind, we saw Marissa, I forgot what his name was, but we all hated him. Ram. Ramay. Rams. Yeah, the guy who like weirdly was pressred. Yeah he was pressured And so then we see now we see Marissa with a completely different man, you this kind of you bring in a great energy as well. You're you're a giant man, but also a soft soul. And I've known you for thirty seconds. It was interesting to see Marissa is I described to Alison when we had a pleasure ofing interviewing her that she was bringing Don't ever leave me because I'll find you energy from wedding crashers. How was it in the house with Marissa Yeah. how did your relationship start? And it did seem to kind of get a little argumentative and toxic fairly quickly and you seemed a little uncomfortable with it Yeah, u I've been through these things before, man. I don't really like I'm not a toxic guy I am a person that if I have an issue, I can talk it out. I was very attracted to Marissa at first. when I first came in there, she was probably her and Allison because Allison came in with Marissa, I believe. They were both very attractive to me. So I was like, okay, All right, well I can see what's up with either one of them And then me and Marissa just clicked naturally, even like right at the beginning with little mix where everybody was kissing each other. It's a lot of kissing everybody in this show, man. That's kind of disgusting. I'm not. But but anyway, I'll stop being in German for four seconds so I'll give back the story. It is different though. you have to make out with a lot of people at once. It really takes the love out of it. Ten people. Yeah ye. Damn. It had to be like twenty minutes T people Oh my God. I was like drinking mouthwash th. No, 'cause by the tenth person, you're getting like that after kiss taste. Yeah, specially if somebody else isn't handling doing their part of like mouthwash or mint or gum or something. got it, Yeahah, you're all professionals. You got a lot of White wine breath? Oo, yuck. You think white wine's worse than red The sadness you just had. I see you like reminiscent over there so. Well, well, well, I learned this lesson in my first time on TV. Don't drink red wine because there I did a confessional and I was likeick, I had rotten teeth. They was all stained red. I never thought about it in anyway Yeah I digress. it's gross either way. So you were making out with everyone. Yeah, making out with everyone. That was not that was fun, but it wasn't at the same time. But anyway, me and Marissa we did have a really good connection. I felt like we were clicking really fast and maybe that's why I got so A little argumentative and like toxic and we would talk through it, obbviously like it would be stuff where it's off camera and stuff. and then we would be back good. and then the next time another challenge hits something or somebody else comes in, it's like, boom, right back to it don I don't have an issue with really being like an insecure person. veryy solid and in myself, especially to the surface, like you're not going gonna be able to really find that out until you like get to know more things. I think that sometimes the threat of the looming possibility of somebody else coming in interrupting or taking me from the situation or even just going on a date sometimes would be little hard. And you know, and what's cool about, I guess watching you and Marissa is because I think a lot of people watching it could relate their own relationships because like, you know sometimes those arguments with couples, ites again, it comes from a place of insecurity. You can feel it and you want to calm your partner down, but at the same time, you want to you want someone to kind of meet you at your level and trying to find that balance must be very difficult when even though it might feel like you've known each other forever, you don't, you don't in this environment. So how did you juggle both feeling this connection with Marissa versus mayaybe some of these little red flags that kept popping up. Well, let me ask you, how did it look like I juggled with it? Pretty well. prettytty well? Yeah, okay. All right. It didn't feel like I did. It felt like sometimes I was A little bit too far in the path of like, you know, we can just fix this instead of it being like, I'm actually trying to cater to the situation or like what you're feeling in the moment. And I think sometimes that's more important. And that's something that I learn about myself is Just being a man. I'm like I'm solution based first. like we can just I'm not leaving. L it's cool. you know what I mean? Like I just want to go have a conversation or This person wants to take me on a day. Wh not? You know, what are we here for? Yeah, you are on perfect match. We're on perfect match. You're trying to find your perfect match. Exactly. I can't do that if it's like The mash that I'm with isn't even Like we'll talk about it him and be like, yeah it's cool. somebody comes in. Go do what you want to do. If you want to go on a date, that's fine. We're locked in right now, but if you want to go do that, I'm not going to tell you no. Yeah. But then somebody comes in it's like and the lord World War three every time. It's like, bro what am I going to do? I to go in sequential order here. When you elimated Chris for as they say being the most insincere less sincere, what first of all, I thought you made the right decision. Okay. But how did you guys come to that decision to eliminate Chris over Jimmy. 'ause it ultimately was yours. It was ultimately me at the end that had to say, you know what Chris like thinkink yeah, think is you I didn't know any background. So For me, I'm just seeing Chris as like this guy that we' you talking about, he's like I hate to put these words bro, but like there's the best way I can say it is like A little love by me like first it's very forward. He's knowing what he wants immediately. So That's all I'm saying Okay, he came in kiss McKenzie. they went to bed at like six. So I'm like, okay, maybe this is really what he wants, right? And then Kayla came in and they really connected immediately But it like you aren't trying at all. you haven't even spoken to anyone else, had a conversation with anyone else And once she was like, Mera was like, D Mari, like think look at the situation I'm like Well, at least Jimmy's been talking to everybody. He's going try to at least figure it out So And that was a hard one. Like, I don't know if you could see how I was stressed. Well Marissa also said not' not going off. Yeah. Really? I don't even remember that. That's crazy. But do you feel like even though Marissa was really going hard for Jimmy. Yeah, yeah that's her That's her boy. But like, do you feel like it was truly your decision? or do you feel like it was Marissa's decision through you? It was Marissa's decision through me for sure. When I thought back on it, when I was sitting there, I'm like, that's the best decision to make, honestly She did make the right She made the right decision. Like I'm not too stubborn to be like, okay, maybe I'm wrong here or just listen to my partner in this situation. sometometimes they know. Do you think that you would have explored any sort of path with Catherine had you and Marisa not been so locked in? Me and Katherine are so close as like friends That's such unchartered waters uncharted territory that I don't I don't know if that would even work honestly. But I would have if me and Marissa weren't locked in or like I' she came in second or whatever. I would have picked Catherine to stay at least for her to be able to have an experience and figure out who she's. Do you think this kind of Catherine's let's say Kryptonight where she seems, I mean she's obviously a beautiful person. beautiful. But she also kind of comes in and by her own definition is like weird and goofy And do you feel like she reads as everyone's like pal and friend and almost like takes herself off the table in a like romantic way? Because it was surprising to see her having a hard time of don't really connect with any guy there. I don't a lot I't think's her fa. I think Scared man. Like she she's too attractive. likeike when she came in, it was like Everybody's looking like, oh, hell, no, I need to like guard my man. You know what I mean? So she came in and everybody's timid a little bit because they're like, y like girl we'reready talking about like Basically like I can't leave. So in Catherine's smoke show, so it's tough for you to pick her if you're somebody that is actually like on the list or like she finds you attracted. Who would you have picked if you and Marissa weren't so locked in Yeah, Yeah. So was that a bummer to see her be sent home W that going to be an option for you or were you We didn't even me and Kayla had just like barely had any type of conversation because she saw how Marissa was as well. Um, but we also were just like talking shit to each other So she walks in, she tells me she's from Portland and I'm like, And she's like, the fuck? She's like, whereere are you from? I said Indianapolis. She said Got a good dancer. Yeah, we had a really good dancer. and I think that just made us kind of notice me be like, hmm, is there anything I don't know And then, uh I know you guys saw the mixer And then we got to have a conversation there. Speaking of the mixer I was a bit surprised that Marissa after like really locking you down, and setting your boundaries and really like letting you know how you're supposed to move I kind of leaned into like, you know, with the mixer, it's always like, Hey, we're playing spin the bottle, We're playing Truth or Dare, like these kid games, which, you know, I get it's a TV show.. But it's always hilarious how everyone in these groups were like, oh, well, I guess we're playing spin theotle. I guess we're just decis My decisions aren't my own. I's like, you know, what am I supposed to do? Oh my God, I'm not playing the game now. And I was like, no, Marissa, like you're like You're up to Mari's ass like telling him how he's supposed to move. and like the first chance you get you and she was very upfront about it. She told you right away, but it was she was kind of so dismissive L,ah just kiss him of how she moved Yeah. Did you feel like I not to use the word then I hate to using B words but like since it's twenty twenty six, did you feel a little gaslit in that moment where you're like almost where you're like, did you want to say something or did you want to like ask more questions about that, but like it just seemed like she bows through that confession in a way where you were like Yeah, I, you know, it was a game. It was anyways, I'm sorry. This was the moment where she was like, she got very upset. She kind of started talking about like her trauma response and how she feels abandoned at you know, like it kind of got into like that sort of territory Um so yeah, what was I think that face just exposed a lot of smallall things that you don't really get to See in two weeks, three weeks She, uh s go back to your question first For me I wasn't actually tirping or doing anything in the games because Had my mixer not went how it went. If my X wasn't in there Or even if she was, I would have been kissing people too like That is what it is. I mean, we're here to have a good time is cool. So I wouldn't have been kissing people on the side now is interesting. That's too far. I feel like. Now if you're doing it in the game, spin the bottle, whatever, it lands on you and another person, y'all kiss, whatever But if it's like too much, obviously I only get to see. but I wasn't really upset with that because we kind of talked about it a little like, well, if something happens in there on that way, if it happens outside of the game, then that's a different story. I don't know, this's not my girlfriend. Like I can't be mad at you for doing something. You're not my girlfriend. Yeah, you're like partnner. We're also arguing all the time. It's like. What were you guys arguing about so much? Oh my God, I don't know. even in that I was so confused. I'm like, where is this coming from? Why are we always arguing? And u I think I just pick really spicy women men. I think my calmness., I was just gonna ask that. Yeah invitation. get that. Do you feel like you seem ground? or you're very calm in control of your emotions? and have you found that maybe some of the people you've dated almost It brings up like if you don'tick me, I'll kill you Yeah kind of thing. Like why are you so calm to Mari? That should have been like red flag. Let me get away from this. I'm like Interesting. No, I guess. Iess light tal about Oh she has The danger. What was it like ere you how shocked were you to see Brie? come in or did you kind of anticipate that might happen? I anticipated that it might because We don't have we didn't have a um button to our relationship. nothing ended it in terms of reality TV. So I was like I don't know if they would be that messy, but then I'm like, this is reality TV. The goal is to be. You know. So I'm like, I don't know, mayaybe she'll be here or maybe she won't But when I walked in and all ten people came in and she wasn't in there, I was like you know, big sigh relief, but u When I saw her, that was Interesting because we won the first challenge. Ill see her on the board and I'm like, she's not getting in here Not on my watch. I would Why would I let you here? You had figured out another way. She said at the singles, like when she walked in, you're so funny on camera. Yeah. What did you mean by that? She said She said you're so funny. I don't know how it's been for you guys if you' ever just seen an ex in passing. And you're like, Ohh, I know what I'm going to do and I see this person. you know, I know I'm react. I'm cool. Like you said, I'm calm I collected. I got this, right A hug? Yeah't even like we we're not on good terms at all. And u for me to be like just trying to extend the olive branch without actually saying anything or having a conversation at all because we hadn't spoke since we ended things in February of last year. So it uh that was that was That was funny of me to do. It was very funny of. And it seemed like just reading the tea leaves of your conversation. ultimately the demise of your relationship was like this kind of lack of communication or it was kind of almost like It seemed a lot like your relationship with Marissa where it almost felt like you were constantly on your heels but you never really understood Wh you were always having to defend yourself. Y. Where do you think that comes from You almost stumped me there. I don't I don't I don't know exactly. I think for me, I'm the type of person that is very communicative until I'm not until it's like, I keep saying something I keep telling you, please stop doing this. Please stop doing that I don't wan to be spoken to like that. Don't accuse me of these things I'm here for you. I got you. donon't worry. until it keeps happening. It's like I'm going tell you I need you to work on this as well. I need you to help me with this. At the same time, like I don't want to sound like a victim because I'm also like just as calm as I am, the trigger is good. Like I still can flip it around and be like, yo, I'm not going for that right now. Yeah. you know? I didn't establish that part quick up. early enough for it to be like, hey, we're not doing that And sometimes that Instead of that, I would just close off And I think that's a part of my problem after a while. Not immediately When she was like,, you know, She's coming at you, she'sing at you. She's like, having settled that, I still love you. Like whoa. But you were like, I love you too. Now, I imagine you meant it as like I have love for you. love for you have love for you. Yeah. I love for you. Yes. Okay. Yes. Did she take it that way I don't know. Okay. We didn't really have that conversation. Well hope you saw each other, it was y'all were making out. Right. And you put some extra into it.ome work. Yeah, I made sure. I know who that works. like and I still love you. and then you're like, and I'm gonna give you the best kiss I've ever given to you right now. Y. I'm an asshole, man Yeah, he just gave me hell. Yeah, I'm gonna give it right back to you So that's what I'm saying is that? Do you feel like you felt more understood by her? like did that conversation was it productive at all for where we were absolutely. Okay I didn't leave from that conversation feeling great at all. It's a lot that happened off of camera And I lear from that conversation feeling terrible Th then I went back had another terrible conversation So It u that night was just a lot for me. Was that because you were feeling attacked? Ver much so. there were things that were talked about that shouldn't have ever been talked about on camera in that way And like like family stuff. Okay. And I really didn't appreciate that. And they have been talked about in other spaces as well. and It just didn't sit with me correct because I would never do that to somebody. Yeah. That put me in a very bad space mentally there. So it was productive in the sense of us at least having the conversation and me saying to her like I just didn't want to like do this anymore. It was never like I'm cheating or I'm doing anything that's bad to you I can't do this anymore because we aren't seeing ey to eye ninety eight percent of the times Great times when we're like when we were good Amazing Cloud nine. When we were bad. o my God. like Like we don't even speak for a day or a day and a half or something like that. It was not fun, not because of me. I'm trying to resolve it. I think she talked about breaking up after her grandmother's funeral. Right. And then she saw you at an event and you were like flirting with every girl possible there What is your recollection of that event I did not start to flirting until she left By the way, respectful. So but I had but I had conversations with people and I think in that space that we were in She didn't want to see me talking to the womoyment You know sounds a little familiar, huh But we were we were out and It was a Nix event And I had got her invited there And before I ever got invited, before that she had u somebody else on the RSVP list because I had something to do earlier in the day. So she was thinking maybe I couldn't make it. But the other person still invited me. So I went, it was my friend that invited me and her there And yeah, I was I wasn't flirting until she left, but people did Um contact her and be like, yo, is that your man? Like what was he outside doing? Like he's talking to girls and all this stuff So I understood. I got where she was frustrated in that moment Now what happened after I wasn't too excited about, but yeah. what happened after? She just went online and was like immediately to the story, immediately to her TikTok, immediately doing all this stuff just to try to make it look like I was doing It was kind of coming at your character. Yeah ye. You know, as men in twenty twenty six, I think we're all becoming more, you know aware of how we come across and how we speak in relationships. And do you ever like big guy. you seem like you were and this is in a good way, like really hyper aware of I don't how can I say this? But like I think sometimes reality TV men aren't given the benefit the doubt. You know, it's generally a woman audience Do you do you are you aware of that? Are you feeling that? because it feels like you are or is that just how you are in life where you are very calm, but I thinkrere you seem careful with your words knowing that your words potentially are in that it seems like sometimes in these situations with these arguments you were having with the people you were match with, and it seemed like they care about you, but almost like they wanted to attack you to get you off your toes, but you really never seem to by Like take the bait. And have you learned that lesson in life? Like I imagine you've had to lear that the hard way over the years. Absolutely like Growing up as a first of all, I've always been a big Like I was a big kid So I understand the space that I take up. I'm six five two hundred and forty pounds like Bree is five foot one. five o you know what I mean? Like I can't too much to this situation, especially not like yelling or physically or anything like that because This doesn't even it doesn't actually suit or at all. But like you were saying, I understand the space that I take up, but I also am very careful with my words because of Like I had anger issues as a child. m I grew up in environments that weren't maybe suitable for a kid and had to grow up really quickly I had to deal with a lot of different emotional spaces and death and all those things So it made me into a person that When I'm speaking these words, I know how powerful my tongue is, and I don't want to say something to you that is definite because It can be, you know? Yeah You seem like a really good guy, man Thank you, man. appreciate it. try. I I fall. Ill do things wrong as well. when We're all human. Yeah. But it's like, you know, I think and and I talk about this there's just so many bad examples of of men on TV. So it's always good to see someone like yourself who Again, I think sometimes it always is the excuse of letting our emotions get the best of us, but you seeing you on this show, you're an example of someone who can feel triggered you know, get attacked, but still like take a pause before you speak in a way that like you said, you're aware of your space. you're aware of how you can come across. and You've gotten to the point in your life where you're not using that as an excuse anymore. You are just owning who you are and how people see you And then moving forward, which I think is just a great example of maturity in, you know and getting older. and it's just it's just really cool to see because we don't, especially un like too hot to handle in perfect match. just never It's usually just the exact opposite and we lean into. So's it's really cool to see, man. Yeah thank you. I appreciate it Isam It was hard to navigate it sometimes just because of the space that we're in and Especially like, I don't know you really. L You don't know me, You don't know what actually triggers me unless I tell you. I don't know what triggers you unless you tell me Sounic Were you all having those deep conversations maybe at night or off camera? Yeah, we really do I think that allowed me and Marissa to actually be able to navigate that a a little bit better where I may fall short in some of those moments if she can Tell me actually in the moment like I don't like that. Don't do that. Or I can be like, o Please stop talking over me. Like there's no way I can have a conversation with you if you're going to continue to talk over me or Not even let me finish my statement. 'causeuse the point was right here. Yeah, there was that part where you're like, you keep interrupting me and I haven't inter. I'm being quiet. I'm just like when you guys are talking. I'm sitting here, I'm looking at you, I'm allowing you to speak. Yeah, it's how a conversation. That's how a conversation goes, right? thought. I have to sound like all this time your turn ahead, it's your turn right. Oh That's a great problem to have though, because you guys like actually value each other's You know, like you value each other's space. you value Yeah. and as I will say as someone who like yourself early in my dating life ennjoy the company of a spicy woman U it often would turn into conflict that I was just like, what is going on? What are we fighting about? And it was funny we were watching it and Nie pointed out that she She doesn't do that Uh, granted when when you're in it. Yeah You're find this stuff. Yeah. But as someone know I don' know where you arere in your love journey. don't how its Maybe you're with Missa, mayaybe you know, maybe you're not. It is possible to find a strong By confident woman who isn't always argumentative and is comfortable in their skin there is and it took me a lifetime to find it. I I think I'm a lot old. I think I'm a lot older than you. But you can I'm forty five amazing Sorry, sorry Good dam good dam. But yeah, yeah it is possible. and it took it literally took me a lifetime to figure that out because I was always drawn to the I like the pushback. I like to be challenged. I like to you know, I'm not doing things to like just have be put in my place, but I like to know that I want to find my equal and to find your equal, sometimes I've made the mistake of finding that argumentative person. It's a little too far. Yeah balances off. Yeah. My mom is a spicy lady. You know what I mean? Like she's not going for it. So like I think naturally, just really all the women in my family, ain't going for it. I've never met like a real passive woman in my life, you know? For me, I That's probably why. That's probably one of those reasons why I end up like chasing those types of things. And as my mom has gotten older, she's become a lot more called. you know, and like, that has helped as well to see like, oh, Yeah, okay, Or even just my experiences with women and being in relationships where I'm like you're not spicy enough. like I need a little bit more. I feel like I can do whatever I want to here. I don't want to feel like I can't do anything. I don't want to feel like I can just get away with anything. You got to not be going for that for me. That's that's a real big thing. like 'ause I'm not I'm not like a little jealousy, a little not jealousy, but' like someone who's gonna to tell you exactly what they You want to be bossed around a little bit. I want I want you to know what you want. Yeah. I want you to know what you don't want as well. It's like I want someone who's very clear with their expectations of me. Eactly. But it' consistent with those expectations because sometimess You're like, what?? H I did what the thing you told me to do and why is it, you know?. And then when it's not consistent, it feels like it's just argumentative for the sake of being argumentative And that's where I would get lost. And I found myself in you a little bit watching it. thank you.joy. What's your biggest relationship Ich relelationship k My biggest ick in the in the world period. I don't like when people when they chew and chew with theirouth open, That's like my biggest thing That date is not gonna go well the rest of the time. your mouth open to other people it's like but relationship, Iick. if it's too early and you're like baby Baby All that like the two sweet talk You don't like names early on. No. That doesn't like baby talk period. It doesn't tell me baby. You don't like it at all? Baby talk Like, not like babies h. But like like people calling you bab. Oh, I like the pet name. Early? Yeah, like it's kind of weird. It's like so you're doing that to everybody. Wait get to know me. Yeah. in what world am I your baby y at? That's not we're not there. Yeah. Or even like a love bomber to love love too early, like somebody saying I love you too early. That really bothers me. You're insane I agree art agree. Yeah. I feel like you've gotten that a lot. I have. I don't like it. I don't like it They're they're trying to lock him down. I've ended some some situations shhips because of that a few times. I don't like. Yes, yes. We got cut throat. I don't like it, man. It's not cool. It's not cool because you don't, you don't because I feel like love is so Almost notot exactly unconditional, but it's It's right on that line You know that after two months? you don't know that. unconditional us That's crazy. I really, really, really like you and really enjoy the way you make me feel and like spending time around you, but that's a different thing. That's completely different. Yeah. I do that as well. I like that as well. When you're not making good TV, what are you doing U I say, what do you do for like work? What is modeling, acting and I make music as well. Okay, cool. Yeah yeah. What kind of music? Rp Nice. Yeah, I got to rap a little bit on too out toand. Okay. Yeah. What would be your dream acting role Pitch Okay, a modern day head I absolutely love Will Smith. So I would play any role that Will Smith has played even whileild while West. I gave up the Matrix for that. He could have been Neil. Eever mind actually Yeah. Who's your dream feuture? O Dream feature. Okay, we'll just go in my favorite art is Jakel. Stay cold. C you hear that, Jakele? Jake Cole get on the track more Alicia Keys. happappy fired.. Well, Damara, it's been a fun fun time getting to know you. I wish you the best luck the rest of the way. whether it's you, Marissa, happappy for you too, if that's how it happens. 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We would all do it. Well, Danny Darko is I'm so confused, you know, like it's also frustrating that You know, Janet is gonna feel vindicated. I tried to say like even to my friend, she was like, I guess Janet was right. And I was like, well, maybe Jasmine, I don't know. to Jasmine. I think it was just that Janet interjected herself in a situation that she wasn't involved in and made it about her. So that's why she was annoying for that. But it is like, yeah, you are semi validated Dan behavior is I think with Janet for me, it comes like I just it doesn't feel like she has good intentions for people. I don't feel like when she is calling anyone out, it's coming from a place of Y know, like Hey I don't think you should act this way. She has been accused multiple times of like digging up dirt on people. And all I have to say is, if that's true I just think that's one of the most deplorable things anyone in reality TV can do to weaponize your past or mistakes that you've made, especially if you have tried to like write your wrongs and do your work. And if if if Janet is actually doing that, if she is just constantly going on Reddit and reading rumors about people whether true or not and then throwing it in their face at the its most convenient time. Maybe she's not doing it. She hasn't full She hasn't really denied it. And so like whether she's right or wrong about Danny, I think that's the thing that's hard to digest when it comes to Janet because I think that's just really cruel behavior if that has happened I think she had the right intentions but went about it the wrong way. and that's why last season people were like, why are you buding into this? But this season they're like, okay, like We've all now experienced this and seen it. But even the conversation she had with Lacey where Lacey was like, I don't appreciate the mean girl behavior. You said you read on Reddit that I auditioned and made fun of me for auditioning for real House. But then she did her ITM, her conffessional and said, I did audition for the housewife. She did, but I'm like, whyy is that something to make fun of? Janet, just because Lacey wasn't by that and she did doesn't mean that Janet's intention wasn't to try to hurt her. And that's the thing is Janet is trying to to make herself if that's what's happening. Yeah and by the way, I love Lacey, but I did giggle when she was like, I did try out for it. And also I'm like, you did send the cease and deses. So I'm like, Janet wasn't lying with that stuff, but she did go about it in a way that I was like, you didn't have to bring that up. Exactly I do like Lacey I like them M all, but I do I like Lacey being like apologize. I hated that That was awful. That was the most annoying. If Nick and I are ever in a public setting with a bunch of people and he thinks I did something wrong, you better pull me aside, you better get in the car with me when we are alone and be like, call that person later. The way that she's like apologize right now, apologize right now. It felt like she's talking to her toddler who just threw a block And hit somebody in the head and like not her partner who she sees as her equal. it felt so you just so you just nailed it you just nailed it on the head. That's why this is an interesting relationship to watch. She does not like him. No, she likes Jess It's just like I think they like each other. Okay, well its he breathes wrong. They're not even married and he breathes wrong and she's like, o, you pissed me off I. I think it's a little performing I think if when she is like when she used like it was last episode when she's like, well, that was just triggering for me and she kept trying to like have a fight with Jesse in front of the group about how Jessse Thatelt it felt like a scene. Yeah, shes I'm sorry. I think that she's somebody that's made for reality television. Okay, let me revise. I think they're a real couple because we met them at Hulua Real, But I do think there probably was a little bit of like when she told her to apologize, I think Michelle gave her the branch and she was like, okay, I'm going gonna take the branch and like I'm just gonna to say the opposite of what Justin' saying that I'm like, if the girl wanted to be on Orange County Housewives and had to settle as Jessie Lally's girlfriend on the valley Then this is the behavior that we're getting and the attitude that we're getting. It is thirty two players. Thank you. It makes sense. She wanted to be on Bravo. She got on Bravo, not the way she wanted to. Also the way that she I this is the last episode, but the way that she was like, the things that you texted Jessie about me, you said that I was ugly and that I had too much filler and Botox in this. then they showed the screenshots of the text Literally did not say that. It did say like If you're gonna bring women around that are gonna like be my child'sep, It was definitely not nice, but it wasn't like she'sly. That's why I love her. It because she's saying things that are not true. and then it's like she backtracks it or it's the exact opposite. I think this is how you made me feel 'cause this is what you didn't say, but I read it and I know. And it's just like, I don't know, fucking bravo This episode was like As much as I want to try to like empathize and defend Danny, and I don't think we know everything. It is really hard to watch like the doubling down, the tripling down when Nia is literally trying to give him every moment of like, ye, donon't say anything Don't say anything. We're still on camera. We're still miced and him just still saying it and being like, why would you say that about me now? Now you're saying things about me? it's like, no No. thing I don't get about this relationship because I respect that Nia and Danny are h. I respect it too. outside of The the group so to speak I don' I ble liked it more And I feel like I said this last season, the season before how I do like that when they have issues that like they try not to really explode on camera that they tried to keep it between the two of them as much as possible. I do appreciate that. What I don't appreciate and it's kind of the same I feel like when parents will fight in front of their kids, And then they'll have like this huge knockout dragout fight, yelling, whatever in front of their kids. and then maybe they make up before bed. And the next morning, they're like, Hey, honey, and like act like everything. I feel like you have to show the makeup. You have to show what brought you back together for your kids obviously to like see how you work through problems, but it's like You have to you can't show us this like crazy fight where you're the most disrespectful to your wife. You're not helping at all with your children. And then we just like What did you say to make up? Did you apologize? I completely agree with that because recently everyone is now talking about the fact that Danny was booked for watch What happappens Live. I think he was supposed to this week or whatever And he opted out and he he blamed it on an opportunity that he got in LA. And whether that's true or not, I'm just like I'm Danny I want to speak on this Right? Like Maybe it's the drinking. I don't know, but like you can't blame this just on the E edit and I I want to give Danny the benefit of the doubt that like it seems to be someome kind of drinking problem you know, and maybe I'm wrong,aybe I'm reading the situ. Maybe it's deeper than that. Maybe he's just a bad guy. I don't know. Maybe Lala's right and that Nia should leave him. I felt like that's a little too far, but who knows But like, you know, we I think we've all had friends that when they take some shots, they get fucking weird and nasty like they turn into a different person. And if that's all Danny is, it's still wrong. But like if that is what it is, what are you doing taking shots on camera with this group. if you're neo if If you have this relationship where you're helping each other out and you don't want to expose some of your like deeper issues on camera. whyy are what is going on with drinking That makes you change your behavior, that makes you seem like a real fucking asshole to your wife. Lalo said that too. Lolo was like I don't know everything, but what I was say drrinking is the problem. Wh why whyy continue to drink? And it's just like for me though, the issue that I have is last episode, not this past episode but last episode when they were on the safari where obviously his wife is stressed out, exhausted their baby. she's hot, the baby's hot. and all she's asking is like, hey you know, clipp in, just just can you help me find something to fan our baby with? And he's just like acting so annoyed, so irritated, so like, ugh, like why did we bring a babysitter? And it's like she just had a baby. She's not ready to hand off her child for eight hours a day so that she can give you more attention. And when he said that his gripe was because he needed more attention, I'm just like, who's the child here? You've had four kids back to back. Let her attend to her kid and you actually show up and be there so that she has the energy to give that to you. But that was bonkers that he said that because the episode before that one when they're at the rollercoasters and she's like, I'm so excited to spend time with you. And he's like, this is feeling very performative. It's like, so which is it? Do you want tot win or not? Well and to circle back Natalie to what you said. L I feel like Nia Danny were attempting to try to give us the like resolution part of it, but then Danny somehow maneuvered it in a way where now. Nia is apologizing for bringing something up on camera when it's like Why is she apologiz? Why did she apologiz? How did we get to this point? For stating that you have shitty behavior and that it needs to change For acknowledging it after you were talking to her for like an hour. And yelling at and yelling at your wife, and that's the thing where I'm like If you can't keep that in the box in the sense to where it maybe this isn't what like because I do hate when people kind of go into the whole like Well, then imagine what's happening behind closed doors because like let's make it seem as if somebody is like scary abusue. Lala was kind of doing that. You know what I mean, where I'm just kind of like if they have the audacity, a lot of the times when if people have the audacity to do that in front of people, it's usually like this is what it That's what they do. Yeah Lala's clearly projecting her life choices onto N and Danny. Exactly, exactly. And I'm just like I think that Danny has an issue with drinking and his behavior and I think he needs to seek some attention for that, but I don't think that Nia would be in love with this man that's completely abusive. Yeah, again, like it can be I completely agree with you. But the thing that is concerning and a weird like is that the fact that he is avoiding speaking on this tells me He doesnn't want to address it, doesn't want to acknowledge it It wouldn't be that hard to just, whether it's watch what happens live, comes on a podcast, whatever. I hope we get a chance to speak with with them to just say, yo, yeah, this is not my best self. and it was hard to watch me It should be really easy any guy, whether you like have some excuses or editing to just say, that was hard to watch me speak to my partner that way. and that is not who I want to be or who I am. And like I did it. I have to own it, but that is not I think that is an ugly version of me. Even like with Kyle last night where, you know, on the episode I think he was crying the conffessional You know, we've criticized Kyle at Nauseum, but like, yes, it was humanizing to see hear him say Like my actions have really caused me to be in this place I am today and whether I have my excuses or not, I have made some of these choices and I have to own that. And that is humanizing. and that is like, you know, But it is also really frustrating to this is season after season, something we've seen with Danny And I don't know if they just maybe don't watch the episodes back, but like How could you have not watched last season and be like, o, I see the issue. Got it. All right, cool locking in. How are we back here again for another show? Because he got accused of grabbing another woman inappropriately. And a lot of people, including all of us were like, we know that's not okay, but this feels like o maybe a one off and like it seems like the people talking about are really trying to milk it to that Whatever though. It's still a really Really terrible thing to be accused of or to even suggest that you did that. And for any person, it should mortify them that like that that they're being discussed in that manner. And to that point, you would think that would be like all the wake up call you would need to like going forward on camera to just be like, I should probably on What did Nia say? She said I think it' just it was the same thing of saying that he had a I saw his gang again very opposed. I mean, everybody just thinks that he's failing on it because yeah, he doesn't want to. I mean, Nia just confirmed that he had like a gig And I also wonder too because I'm like, I just remember last season to defending Danny just in the sense that I was like How can we be so hard on Danny when we have Brittneany sitting here talking about Jack's throwing her in rose bushes And when you're comparing the two behavior, we're obviously you shouldn't be comparing situations, but when you have somebody that is so outwardly disruptive in his behavior in how he talks to his wife, whatever, then it's like you're not really looking at Danny as like the biggest problem Now having Jacks being removed from the season, I do think that it definitely like spotlights Danny in a different way because I'm like Jesie and Michelle are no longer fighting so ugly with each other like they were the last season. that made it almost unbearable to watch Britney might as well be a guest or like a friend of on the show because Jax is no longer on it. So it's like the main focus right now is this like perfect marriage that we've seen for the first two seasons, and then it's like kind of almost feels like it's like their time to be spotlit. Does that make sense? Yeah, but it does it doesn't feel like it's manufactured. It feels very like The curtain's been lifted or something, you know what I mean? Like where Jackax has stepped away and then it's like, oh wait, Danny and Nia don't have this like perfect marriage. To me, you see that with like the drag not the drag, I guess, like the pageant scene when it was like the cameras are always looking now at like Nia, Danny and Lala. Like that's what they were focused on, but you're catching so much.ike why would they be looking at all the other men when they're just like in a fun situation I don't know because I'm like now I see where like Britneany kind of feel like she ended or whatever last season because she brought up Danny's drinking and then everybody yelled at her at the table and said she was jealous. And in this episode, they said say they talked about it. Zach brought it up, which is interesting. Yeah saying Birdie's never liked Mia. I was like, I don't she never liked Nia or has she been trying to look out for Nia? And it kind of feels like the other cast members too were kind of trying to show that last season that it's like they aren't perfect, but I don't know like I don't know why Danny would then lean into it. Like if you are around people that you don't feel safe with, if you're around people that you think inflate your behavior, then why would you go get blackout and then start saying things at the table towards Janet Yeah, I just wish that this I think for the valley comparing it to like in the city. A guy mayaybe it's just me because like I relate to when Kyle's talking about like his business struggling Like that's really relatable stuff. I want to hear more about like it seems like the valley is always is going from relationship to relationship to try to expose each relationship like to be something that it's not Yeah. And I I just like I find that to not be that ins like Transitioning to Summer House, there was that moment when Kyle and Amanda were talking about I don't know, I forget which one conversation, but I think it was the one outside the house And they're like, we've had some of our best in some of our worst memories of our lives That is real shit, man. like a marriage or any relationship that lasts a decade Like I think it was Lindsey Hubbbert not too long ago, like when the Sanda when the Samanda came out and she's like, if you like personalized are there's way more drama than we share. And that's so true because like even reality TV stars have their limit to like the every little detail they're going to share about their lives. And the truth is is every relationship in all of our lives are messy. There's no such thing as a perfect relationship. Even the best ones have to fight. to keep the relationship going and have to put in the work. And you know, I'm not saying this because of what is what's really but like I can only imagine The shit that Kyle and Amanda have had to deal with together to survive a relationship on camera, public scrutiny And that's the real shit. and it's just like it's I'm hoping that in the city like you know, shows me like there was that in the in the season preview and he calls his best friend that he he gets introduced to his best friend, the bar owner And he says, you're the Birdie Bernie madeidoff of the of hospitality Like that is first of all, like a crazy thing to say about your alleged best friend. Bertnie Mainoff is a con artist and he destroyed many people's lives through like stealing all their money. So I don't know where that comes from. mayaybe that's, But like I'm interested in that aspect of like the of these relationships and how work and relationships like really affect these people's lives in a way that the valley seems to have a hard time tapping into I think it's a lot of people who have their main focus is like their relationships. and like obviously it's like influencer work, which like good, great and whatever. But I'm like they don't really have things going on that they can share about. I just even remember a season with Jax where he was like didid an event for like premature balding or something that it was like at least Jackaxs remembered that like, hey, I should be pushing a product You know what I mean? Like It was like they're in limo, which to me somehows kind of also felt like it was in limbo because it was just like the same situationships and like fuck boys and But like you had people like starting companies or like wanting to do a bathing suitline or like dealing with intense debt or going bankrupt. And it's just like these are real life issues that like people in our bracket and our age group, it's like, if you're not dealing with it now, you may deal with it in the future. You're gonna have a friend that deals with this versus like do you like me or do you not like me? Do you like her?s I g to watch this kind of scenario go back and forth. But that's why in the city, I think it is so good. one hundred percent. I want to watch people with real jobs, with real opinions that have real insults. God bless the fight between Carl and Kyle, but like you six foot five motherfucker. if that's the worst thing you can come up with versus you're the birie made off of hospitality. alsoso I forget her name, sorry, I'm getting into know this cast, but Lindsey's friend, the dermatologist who has like Georgina Georgina I'm locked into her. like she has more than one kid and her husband left her. We don't know why. She is a business owner. She is like surviving in New York with kids who like, oh my God, like poor I'm locked into this person Oh my go, when And she's like I lost my shit, you know for her change of clothes? No, like I look you would to be a dermatologist for my next life, but I saw that. I was like I was like I know what to get. She was like casual out Slack tie. Chanel. Chanel. Yeah It's like just in your cabinet and your germs. Okay. You just never know when you're gonna get the call in New York. I usually when I go to those places, I usually take a couple like cotton swabs and so now I know there's a chanel in the bag. Dare I say that in the city is just housewives repackaged. I think that's why I enjoyed it. But it feels better than housewives. Like housewives felt I don't it just felt so seeny and it felt so like just these wors a littles. I don't know. It just didn't feel as genuine to me in this like Lindseay going after Kenny and being like, listen, I'm just meeting this guy. L I'm just asking you Very surface level questions. and if you're getting offensive, that's a you problem. L That's so real of just like meeting someone for the first time and being like, he's like, this is giving, I hate men. She's like, I'm just annoyed by men or something. Good pointoy. because also Andrea and Danielle being a part of this cast to me shows like these were the friends that were on Summer House that stayed friends and became friends and now we're seeing like their real friendships. And then what this Danlle like relationship Who is this guy who As soon as they started talking about it, she's like, I've known him for nine years. thenen we like both went our separate ways, got into relationships. So this is like her version of the story. And he's like, Yeahah, and then we reconnital. And that sounds like very sweet and very innocent, very like Rom commamish. Dating for six months. There is like listen, like if you go on reality TV, your life changes, obviously. And a lot of, you know, and people treat you a little bit differently And like a lot of the people you know, if they're not like your tight group of friends, like your acquaintances and like your Y circle, like they get kind of weird around you and if they've ever had a desire to do what you did, which is to like Go on realI TV or get some kind of public profile They can get weird and hard to trust you. So like my spider senses went up when he was like, o, you knew he knew you before you were like famous and now Now you're on a TV show and all of a sudden you're back together and here he is on a TV show. And then here Amanda is being like, yeah, and he's married. is married. Isn't that better though that if he knew Amanda? I don't know listen. maybe it means nothing, but it just makes me wonder if his if he's there for the right reason, so to speak, where it's just like what was the draw for him to reach back out? Well, he got her pregnant, so. I thought he looked sweet. I was like, okay, this is like one of the people you knew in your past. like and like he came back because it actually was a relationship that like m sense. Did you see the tweet that was Kenny being like, she's such a doll, like, you know talking about Whitney She's such a doll and such a little angel. and then Whitney being like, I love him so much. I moved here from the middle of nowhere to New York City and it shows a picture of Jacks Taylor and Brittney like Oh I didn't clock that. She said It was just some tweet that went viral, but like so funny because I hope not. It's like Whitney has been a successful influencer for a very long time and lived out here. So like that's where I'm like, no, you're not. She mo from city to city. The way that she makes it sound though, is if like he like plucked her around I didn't hear that and I was like,ait where is she from? Because it was like to me, I got the vibe that she was LA, but it sounded you right. Yeah. She's one hundred percent But what I' we honest question. This is not even to be snarky or mean But watching Smmer house And watching the whole Sera and West Dynamic and again the kiss And then like Jes and then West trying to pull her into the bed and Jesse being like, yo, dude, if you Jesse Solomon of all people giving like solid based Relationship advice, which is like, yo, dude, you have to be one hundred and ten percent. notot even a one hundred. You got to throw in an extra ten He's like, I know Is West Wilson emotionally stunted and stupid and I'm not saying that to be cruel or mean. or Is he that Machiavellion where he just like, he knows what he's doing, but doesn't give a fuck because at this point, It is so and Kyle referenced this on W What happens Live. It's just like the way he talks about like,, you know, I didn't want to hurt her when we You know, when we try to date casually and like as Kyle pointed out, I watch what happens Lve What about Sierra makes you think that she is interested in anything casual with you? Like what are you again, are you Are you that dense? Or do you just not give a fuck? I dont think he gives auck Yeah, I was like, he does not give a fuck. He's not stupid. And like, I'm sorry. I know friend of show, love him dearly, but like it reminds me of every time Tom Schwartz would get caught for cheating or something and he'd just be like, I am I was like, you know, like it was just like a bad moment. Like you I didn't I didn't I didn't think about it. It's like how many times can you do the same thing over and over again and just not think about it Or maybe you should stop drinking or like do something different where I'm like, West takes zero accountability for anything he does. And then the second he gets confronted. He can talk shit behind his podcast, Mic or on his little TikTok, but then it's the second that he's confronted face to face with somebody just being like, let's have a conversation. He's just like, I just don't It's the amount of times he said like that I'm like, okay, you're playing a character. Yeah, like you want to play this like, oh, I'm a little boy that doesn't know what decisions I'm making. so you can't really be mad at me, but I'm like you make big Destructive decisions, you're going to have to deal with big destructive fallout. He's literally telling Ben to like tell his girlfriend to chill out on the playing Cupid. and then like ten minutes later, he's making el waser. That's why I think he's doing it on purpose. That was a very that conversation with Ben, it didn't look like he was hammered. It looked like it was probably at the beginning of the party. Like he it looked like a very sober self aware Honest conversation And then to then have him say all of that and then make out with Sierra and then canoodle with her and then try to pull her into his bed. It's just like, you you know, you know what you're doing. And for Kyle, watch what happens live being like West D I think he it was asked like about the do you think it was? physical back then or just emotional. And he was like, I think it was just emotional, but I think West did certain things. That like he knew would Pull Amanda in essentially. I said this when the when the Command first started, I wanted to know who seduced who because I really do think that matters. Like when you have So who started the relationship? Wh started reaching out? Who started texting? Wh started showing more of an interest? I really, really think that matters doesn't again excuse Amanda. But when we're going back and watching these scenes and we're seeing these intense moments, these beautiful moments between Sierra and Amanda this like strong woman friendship donon't think that she was like lying through her teeth. I mean, who knows, but like And I just feel like Amanda, and again, it's not an excuse. It's just like just to understand because like we all have made really bad decisions that we look back and go, what the fuck was I thinking You know we have to go get therapy and then our therapist has and it has to been like, well, you have some childhood trauma. you know, mean you were, you know, whatever it is that you have to unpack But Yeah, it's just more like it just like I I feel like West is He had Again, we've talked about. He's he's had a roster of people and Amanda that I think that scene between Sierra, Mia and Amanda of her like being truly afraid Kning that she's done with Kyle the relationship's over. and probably the thing that kept Amanda hanging out and trying so much wasn't her love for Kyle, the relationship, but a true fear. of like finding something after this relationship because she's been in it for so long. And then here's this West guy coming in and and being nice to her and flirting with her. And I and I think she just fell for it. I have a follow up question with this is Is a fuck boy kissing you on the forehead more intimate than a fuck boy kissing you on the lips? Because that's what he would always do to Amanda is like hug her clothose and then kiss her on the forehead but then be so much be recklessly consistent with kissing Sar on the lips. But like that's where' like It almost was more intimate what he was doing with Amanda No. I saw Carl, I think it was Carl and watched it uppenss live being like The way that West touches Amanda or anyone that is like he was like she is married in the way that his hands go like around her waist or on certain parts like that just should never happen at all. Yeah, her head, her hair. That should just never happen between a friends. These kind of guys who like played this whole like, I'm friends with everyone. It's very disarming. It's very much you know, they Yeah, and they're very touchy feely and they like do like cheek kisses with like the girls and they hug and it's just like and's half of these women are like have boyfriends. We're in LA. This isn't Paris. like why are you kissing me on the cheek? There's a lot of guys like that. you're from Michigan W' kind of like does the thing where he's just like, you know, he's just the lover boy. And again, at the end of the of And when everyone's saying I love you, but it started with West and Sierra. and it's like he shouldn't I'm not saying he shouldn't like when everyone's saying I love you, it's not like he shouldn't say it back and like like make a good moment awkward by being like, well, I'm just saying it as a friend. But that's how he Instead of being cautious about how his actions and words come across the Sierra, he uses that as an opportunity almost to say things that like she is just gonna find conffusing or misleading. Sierra, do they do this? I mean, is this every season finale where everyone's crying and being n everyveryone's dead and where they're not see each other again? Like no I was giving Vander Pump finale. I saw because I thought the same thing too. I was like, why is everybody crying so hard at this? But I think it's because they obviously knew that in the city was happening. And so I don't think they knew like whether or not everyone's coming back next season. So like this could be some people's last seasons So I think that kind of had something to play in it, but I was like, yeah, no, they usually are like, if you guys live in the same. It was sitting on the same island. It was sitting around the table before they walked out to me You know Y'all are gonna run into each other at the coffee shop. What whyy are we crying? The opening scene of in the city where it's Amanda and Kyle.. And they're talking about the the West And she's like, cheated on me. I would never che on you and like, how could you how would you even suggest that? He's like, no, I didnt. He's like, there's a video. and' like Okay, No, no, okay. No no, what he says specifically, he says says who? S's the video.ays okay. o That was funny or Himnays too. Oh it was amazing. I think I think Kyle's learned that, you know, sometimes it's not worth pushing back or just like that was true. you're right? No notes. All right. I also thought it was really interesting that scene, you know, post summer House P dating the Amanda dating West And you have that walking on the street, again, another great moment where you're walking the streets of New York, having a scene. love that. veryy authentic, not sitting down And they're getting out of therapy. And they're like, you're catching up with them outside of therapy. And she's like, you came home at four in the morning again, you know, like you you know, and it just I would I really appreciate about these moments because again, regardless of what you think of Amanda and her choices and I just to me it really makes me humanizes them in a way that just again, doesn't justify the actions, but explain like I think it humanizes Amanda in a way that doesn't make her like some evil monster who who whose only goal was to get close to Sierra only to fuck her over You know, And I don't like I think this is more about Amanda truly struggling with herself and her relationship with Kyle and her like identity outside of this relationship. And I just felt that was a really interesting moment She did both for sure two things can be true the same time. L I think that like she I don't I don't know. Just the emotional connection between her and West, like it's just hard for me for them to be like, oh, that wasn't an emotional affair where I'm like very much so, you would rather talk to West than talk to your husband while going through things. You're saying that you want to work things out and we're only upset about one thing, but yet, you know, you're upset about the partying, but you chose to marry him. You said even when they talked about like, oh, I focus more on the beginning of our relationship and Kyle's more focused on the now where I was like, well, that makes sense for Kyle to be focused on the now because You found out about the cheating or the accusations or whatever, and then still accepted a proposal, still went through a marriage, stillill came back every summer complaining about this husband, that's such a problem for you, but you did nothing to fix it or change it And now you're so checked out and it's just like, I don't know, that's' like are we working it? A are we just harping on like the one thing versus like talking about all the other things that aren't being addressed on camera? Do you guys like the fact that she decided to separate with him at the anniversary dinner? orr do that seem like unnecessarily like bad timing? I just felt like it was kind of mean. Bad timing. I didn't I mean, it's kind of a It picky, but like when Kyle was like, all right, well, if I agree to this and she's like, you don't have to agree with it. Well, yeah, you do, Amanda. yes, you can move out. Kyle's not keeping you prisoner, but you're not just moving out. You're saying, I'm going move out, but I want us to still be together. I want us to still work on a relationship. You, you know, like you'rere we're still going to do this and that's Kyle does have to agree to that. And like that him a fucking chance to like process what you are trying to ask him to be okay with. He's not okay. Yeahah, you want to move out. He is processing whether This is You're saying it's not the end, but he has a choice to say, well, if you're going to move out We're done. Yeah, see that, And this is what I had an issue with with that final conversation with Summerhouse and then this conversation as well was that I'm like You know that you want distance. When she was like, oh, when Siera brought that up and it was surprising to me too, I was like, No, the fuck it wasn't. You were literally a part of that conversation and then acting as if Sera was like going out of bounds by saying these things when you're having these conversations constantly saying how unhappy you are, crying on the floor, the whole nine. So it's like you're not telling Kyle the half of how you actually feel in this marriage in this relationship, but you'll tell everybody else. And then when there's finally some sort of solution, which would be moving out or separating or whatever, it's like, well, this isn't the end of us. This is just how we're going to work on. And it's like, in what world does any relationship have like a married couple move apart from each other? It's like that is such a rare occasion to where I'm like, it just sounds like you want to break up But you don't want to lose him entirely. So we're gonna keep you on a little leash where it's like, you full access to me, I full access to you. We're not broken up, but like we're not like together. and I don't need to consult you with like my where I'm going and what I'm doing every day. But yet like if I want to see you or I need to feel loved or I need to feel something, I can call you. Can I say for a second, despite the Wesn amand of it all We can't knock her necessarily for wanting to baby step out of the marriage, right? Like divorce doesn't just happen like and you move out. So like I think she was afraid to like vocalize exactly what she said and unfortunately that comes at the detriment of Kyle. Well it's what I'm saying though is that I'm like instead of having an actual conversation about your feeling or how he makes you feel or what this relationship is doing to you, instead it was like, okay, because when we're having this conversation with Sierra and Mia it's, I'm done with the relationship. When we're having this conversation with Kyle, it's it's not a breakup. It's not it's not we're just taking time, we're taking space and it's like, no' literally just Breadcoming a breakup. But being like, it's fine, but we're still together. So you don't have to feel weird about it. O Maybe she still did think that there was something. or maybe she was afraid acknowledge to herself that that was over, which just makes a mess up. I with Justin, like I don't think there's a perfect roadmap of how to get divorced. and I think you always even want to try to do it differently You know I think it's just more like Honesty, like you can't sit here where I'm like and think of how hurt Kyle's going to be watching back this season and seeing how you actually feel how you actually talk about him versus what you're saying to him to keep him on the line, to keep him defending you in public. So let him talk, like he wasn't able to talk. L you just kept And then she says you can't express himself. That's the thing. I was like, I also see that where I'm like, okay, let him at least his perspective didnidn't before this anniversary dinner where she was like, I'm gonna move out idn't we have a flashback scene to where he was like, I think you should move out? Well, no, that was the after therapy session, she said, Yeahah, he told me to move out But then the flashback didn't necessarily show that. We saw a flashback of him being like, I can't be in the same house with you and do this with you like you need to move out. separation. Yeah. So I guess he did. so yeah, he did say. So then and then we have the hurday anniversary dinner being like, yeah, so I'm gonna move out It's like so I don't feel like this was this like drop of information over Monzarella caviar stick. I do think Amanda's unwillingness to just let Kyle process what he said and make it like her decision to I think Sera's point was she was kind of pretending this was like an idea to fix the relationship, but in reality deep down, it was like step one of humor to leave the relationship. And maybe she didn't wantan to admit that to Kyle or herself I will say like I keep him feeling guys to like, oh, we're not defending Ky's actions. but like I mean, when he was talking about how at one point and he took people's money, you know, he asked friends and family to invest in his business And that is meaningful on so many levels. And to know that at one point, you could have sold that company for twenty five X their investment And now you're struggling to survive that. like ye ye. that is like That'll destroy God. our person. like that's that feels like the weight of the world. When you have like people you're responsible for and salaries and some of these people are people you care about and you and people trusted you with their money And I mean, whenever I'm feeling stressed out about work, I am so grateful. I have Natalie to like just, you know, feel like I have a partner and I feel like I have someone to like listen to me and give me ideas. And if Amanda wasn't that for Kyle, I, you know It doesn't justify how he to her, but I get where that anger and resentment And that abandonment feels like because if he was just like all of a sudden he's on the top of a mountain and then it just got come crashing down. I know we've all mocked the DJang, but if he is a making money from it in in a space where he's that's that's he hasn't found success in other places. He doesn't have a salary and B, you know, it's also feeling like He's probably felt like a failure the past couple years, both professionally and in a relationship and when he does try With his wife, he just gets fucking shot down And just like and then anywhere it's just like a chicken for the egg. again, like doesn't justify these actions, but at some, you know, these aren't these things don't just happen in a vacuum You know, there's no real like starting point, you know And I just don't think you can blame the whole relationship on Kyle and how he spoke to Amanda. I don't again, it doesn't justify it, but like You can poke a bear so many times before like they just like fucking lose their shit and I and it see clearly Kyle feels alone Yeah. ye. I believe him that he feels piled on and I don't think he's delusional for feeling that. No, even when he said his whole thing where he was like, I looked over the table and you looked you had a smug look on your face and that just like felt like you were eating it up that everybody was. And I'm just like, even with my partner, I'm like, I'm sorry, there's just no world in which I'm sitting around a table. I don't care if it's my best of best friends. If you're coming at my partner, I am going to interject because it's none of your business. It's also different if you're throwing them to the wols. Yeah like trying to def it You know what I mean? orr just being like enough guys, enough. like he gets it. You know what I mean? where I'm just like, even Lindseay started the whole thing off popping off with like, oh, but he got a DJ career and it's just like, was that necessary? Like and it just feels like for him, like that that no one's gonna jump in and be like,, okay, Lindseay, like, you know, like enough. And especially to look to his wife and his wife is just like, h yeah. Did you guys see the teaser for the season of In the City? and it's Amanda going, If you come for me, I'll come for you.. I was like, I wish that I like I wish that was real, but I doubt it. was thatiting It was probably clever editing It f like a silly conversation that they were having and they were like, Yes. Yeah, I hope I really like I hope it doesn't go that way. And I I mean I think they're cordial like giving some ome good punchy on liners. I was kind of like, I don't know. how do you guys feel about Kyle charging Amanda backgnd? That was nut. That was crazy. You're married. I don' sense.. Wait, what was the backgnd for again? exxplain He'd said that if they like if he's staying in that place and she's not living or she was not some paid rent for the last three years And he was like That's like me saying added it our mortgage ever. I don't like but like we one hundred nineteen thousand did. honestly, I will eat up Amanda being like, I already paid it. Yeah, literally like cateory. But I am curious where that do they have their I mean, some married couples split have completely split finances. They don't combine their finances. And if that's it sounds like that's what the only way that would make sense is if they've completely split their finances. But I mean, I do that, but even then I'm like, I feel like that would be a conversation. You don't get to make a se we're separating and be like, well, since this didn't work L this is what you've read This is how it happens though with like when you divorce or separate. No, it would make sense if they split their finances And Amanda has her joint bank account and Kyle has his and they have their businesses and when they when Bravo pays them and they do their social whatever, they get it just goes in their sheparate accounts. And then there's no like mutual account where maybe some of the joint, you know, like And then they agreed to, you know, at some point early in their marriage, they just agreed to split expenses And then like life happened. And and Kyle is this like in the, you know In the middle of his marriage, it' like rents do. So it's like I'm just gonna pay the rent, you know, because we're married, not thinking much about it And then the relationship goes south and then they get divorced. And he's like, but I technically paid all the rent. You know, and you didn't and and we were technically supposed to split it, then that would that would make sense. And do we remember like on Beverly Hills had a forensic like investigator or accountant that like looked into everything and like they're going to do it. If Kyle's not doing it, the forensicine I hear what you're saying, but all I'm saying is that it's crazy work. It guys splitting finances that you covered the rent one month and we were like, okay, get me when you when you can. and then you do it again And then you do it again for three years, then I would just assume you're paying the rent. Like I don't think you like three years later, you're like, you know what? Remember that one time you forgot to pay rehnt and then I just kept doing it for three years, but we never talked about it again.. Or like moving forward, like we' you're gonna split. Like I know I was covering it. It's kind of giving like, remember that gift I gave you for Christmas a few years ago? I'm gonna needave that back has a record now and Also, he was her boss Yeah true. So I'm also kind of like, what do you mean? you're paying her mortgage or her rent? She's doing your creative directing and design. I think it says where like Kyle is like with his finances, you know, like at the reveals a little more of like he is in a position where he need I think he did say that on like, watchatch What happens live that he was kind of like I think Lindsey said that she made more money than he did that year. So Which by the way, in divorce you go into survival, it's what I I just still think that that's crazy work. I will say I thought it was nuts. the conversation that Kyle had with Kinney at the restaurant, the first time we meet Kinney like talking about Amanda and he's saying, you know, how like she used to be this way and now she's this way and she doesn't ever come around and Bah blah blah K' like, yeah, they're talking just about like how much she's changed or whatever. And I feel like if you aren't And Kless like agreeing with him. And you know, I feel like if you're not willing to grow with your partner. like clearly she doesn't she she's in her thirties. like she doesn't want to go out. She doesn't want to do this. She doesn't want to do that anymore. Like that's part of just maybe, I don't know growing up or whatever, but the fact that it's like he sees that as a flaw and not of like that's I feel like that's when people fall out of love is when they stop growing with their partner. They stop like, they just expect to be the exact same person they were when they met Yeah And not like both like individuals stubbornly donon't try to find whatever that balance is. I do think it is interesting that Amanda with in a relationship with Kyle, like was always like the homebody who never wanted to do anything post divorce. Amanda can't help. She needs to wear wigs because she needs to go out so bad. only to get popped by, you know at the game. It's just like girl, like you well, what is she gonna to do? Stay home? I was gonna say She did with C. I did. Well I think her mental health might be a little struggling right now and maybe she needs like her friends and to go out and get of the house and to like have her friends force feed her or whatever it is And staying in your house like reclusing from everyone, being a hermit crab only makes your mental health worse. So I understand her wanting to get out of the house. Yeah. But even to like Kyle's point when he was kind of like, it makes me sad to know that like someone else is going to enjoy the Amanda that I felt And I'm like, yeah, and that's solid. That's why like a lot of people where it's like, you got to stick it out 'cause it's just like, imagine that you did all of this work to give it to somebody else as like this improved thing. But I'm just like, I also think that Amanda kind of, if you remember early seasons of Summerhouse, Amanda did the same thing that she's doing with West now is that I'm a fun girl. I love going out. I party all the time, blah, blah blah blah blah. And then you get comfortable. You're with somebody for a while. You don't need to do all that stuff anymore That's who Amanda actually is, but like right now she's doing the while I'm young and I'm dating West and like I got toa keep up and West hang's out with all these girls. So I gott to be there because if I'm not there, somebody else will be there. and like thinking that the fact that like she was going over to his house to pre game before he was going out on dates, like he she knows that if he's if she's not going out, he's not staying home with her. I thought about this last night of like, do you guys remember before we knew that Amanda and West were anything? They just were posting like videos together like on the street or at bars like none of us clock any of that was anything, we were just like, oh, they're just friends hanging out, even though they never were like friends like that hanging out to go drink and stuff Oh my God, I like click on some of the girls that like Westlick are like like comments zone and whatnot and being like How close are they? And then it's like there's many girls that are just like, I just feel like West is in their orbit in a way that like is just like a rotating door. Okay, we have to talk about the reunion trailer. Yes, yes. West not walking out No, Lindseay going, Are you going get up? Are you go get your girl be a man, get your girl. them sharing a dressing room and him walking in and kissinging her. I was just like, oh, this feels so weird. And then yeah, having everybody be like, go get your girl, go get your girl and Kyle being like, this is so fucking weird. And I'm like, Yeahah, because it's still your girl And then you have line of like he's only dating you des spite me, which is a sick burn. And I think it had the desired effect, which was to hurt Amanda. That being said, I think it was like I mean, obviously not true. And I think that's the thing that like That's the hardest thing to get over a heartbreak is the realization Sera has invested so much of her energy and love and consideration into this possibility with West only to realize He doesn't give a fuck about her And he, you know, and that is to care about something so much, the indifference of the other person is the thing that hurts the most. That's why our friends are always like kind of lying to us when we're like, then they're trying to make us feel better is to try to come up with some other excuse then they just don't give a fuck. And I think that's really the hardest thing to try to, you know, because it should be the signal of like why we should move on because there, you know, instead of feeling not good enough, it should be the thing that makes us go, this person doesn't appreciate what I'm willing to bring. And you know, it's but like her saying that is like to me explains why she's had such a hard time of getting over this relationship with West because like You know, we want it's hard to pro it's hard to it's hard to realize the thing we cared about and invested so much of our energy that other person heat Clearly West doesn't give a fuck, that you can't say that West cares about anything about what Sierra feels, even though he pretends to, or he's just stupid because like Sierra is so clear about what she wants from Wes and he still keeps pretending to be confused about what she wants And I think it's because he just doesn't give a fuck He doesn't care. You know what I was also thinking about is like, how do they show up to? I guess we kind of saw it because we saw them enter together into the dressing room, but it's like How can West and Amanda even show up in this reunion? Because they either show up and double down as we're full on couple orr they just like say we're not a couple then But then it's like why did do all this you what I mean So it is my in my opinion, is kind of in spite of Sierra reggardless, like you can't what meanike Nobbody thinks that these two people are going to end up getting getting married L nobody thinks or maybe they have to. like they have to at this point in my head. I like don I don't think West's intentions of getting Amanda to fall for him, getting her in his bet, whatever that however it started, I don't think his intention behind that was like I want to piss off Sierra and I want to hurin I want to ruin a friendship. I want to like I don't think that was in the back of his head. I think he was literally noting like there No No, they they hit it. like that's what I'm saying So that it wasn an intention because you knew it was going to hurt people and you did it anyways. So I'm like, no, there's there isn an intention there because it's like I could choose to not fuck with my ex's best friend or my friend's wife, but instead you both chose to do it knowing that it's wrong and then hit it for months on end. But there's a difference between knowing you're going to piss someone off and doing it anyways West Like he doesn't care that Sierra's upset. He just he just he just cares to the extent that he's in the doghouse. Yeah. He doesn't actually care that she's hurt If he if he gave a fuck that she's hurt, he would move so differently this throughout this entire season He doesn't care. would have never He only cares about how it impacts him I don't know. because for me, I'm just like at the end of the day, there's two people that they both had to have thought about in that situation and still moved forward with it And I'm sorry, but I'm just like, again, too many people in this world, I understand, o, she doesn't know if anyone will ever be nice to her again after Kyle. whatever. I'm just like, it's loser behavior at the end of the day to sit there and be like, o, my actions don't actually affect anybody until I get found out or caught about it. L sorry. I was gonna say, I think like I't they did they started dating to hurt Sierra. I think they started dating and they didn't stop it in spite of because they knew it was going to hurt Sierra. So I think like I agree Justin. If they if they cared about Sierra and like didn't w want to date like they just would have never done it. Yeah. It would have never been a questions asked Yeah, you're makingJ. I don't think they D don't think they cared I think hiding it though was just I preared Hiding it No because hiding came after the fact, right? They because they knew they would get in trouble. They knew that would happen. They knew like, as Kyle would say, I don't know how they're going to survive this. This was about them getting through it. You know, because if if Sierra like magically was like, you know what? honestly, I'm over it. I don't care. God bless you guys. I don't think they've been like, Oh, well, if you don't care. then we're just not going to d it anymore. Yeah. Like if if you're not pissed I also don't think it was like, oh, we're too like two drunks in West's apartment, whatever and they're like, you know what we should do? like to piss off Sierra. Like we should make out. I don't think it was that. I think it was the morning after they're like, oh fuck We have people who if they find out about this, like we're fucked. And I think it came after the fact. I don't think they did it hurt Sierra or hurt Kyle. But also aret there friends that are just completely off limits? Like when you care enough about someone you're like, I don't even question like, I don't know that they're going to talk about it in the reunion in the sense of like her turning off her location and doing all that shit. But I'm just like again, it you can't help who you fall for sureure, but you can help who you spend your time with.ure. You don't need to be reaching out to West. You don't need to be spending all your time with them. Oh my God, I have a crush. if anything, that should be more of a reason for you to want to distance yourself if you didn't wantan to get into anything mess. answer the text message. Eciting. It's fun. It's fun to sneak around. It's fun to do things behind people's backs and have your own little romantic thing that nobody's gonna understand. And then guess what It comes out because you hit it because it's not genuine It also was like, I mean, I'm curious what the timelinees going to come out to during the reunion, but like us finding out that it was longer than what people are saying and even like Jesse being like I was told it wasn't this Kyle said from episode one, you've spent more time with my wife than I have in the last six months. So that means since january twenty twenty one. year. Yeah So, I mean, you do the math. You're choosing to spend more time with your friends ex than you are with your friends and with your own husband. G that that everyone's talking about where it's everyone's leaving the house and Wes gives Amanda like a very intimate hug and kiss in the forehead. scene and Oh myanda has a almost a look of like we just got caught of like So that's what we're saying though, is like it more than just the actual hookup where it's like, this would have never happened. If they clearly knew that something was weird. E they a h. sure. Yeah compares the hug that Amanda gave Carl, right? where it's still long held, but very side, very like, I love you, like like very brotherly, sisterly. And then compare that to the hug between her and West, you pulling your chair up next to me hugging, massaging the hair, kissing, the forehead, kissing the side of the head. Even the way that West was so comfortable grabbing Amanda while she's actually trying to calm her own husband down. I'm just like You shouldn't be involved in this and yet here you are I'm like, you cannot tell me that something more wasn't going on at that point. They may not have gotten physical, but an emotional connection was formed to where you were going to West for comfort versus your own husband. But now was a West was coming to her to comfort her. It's always West there with his arms open. It's always West coming up to her, protecting her, making her feel like this safe little bird that can feel like in his arms. So then think about what's