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Shopify can help you build upon it Start your free trial on Shopify. com What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valfil's Reality Recap Eedition. I'm your host, Nick joined by my wonderful, gorgeous, smart, articulate and fun wife. We got a great household with us, Sierra Susie, Mary is back. Her voice is like ninety percent back. We got sweet pointoy Justin. It was a full househ. How is everyone doing today Oh my fantastic. Great, honestly, it's good vibes in here. How incredible The house is full. It's nice to like have the whole family Yeah. Yeah That voice is back, babes. Hey, guys, it's cute. Can everyone just be nice to me? Obviously? Well, we have a fun jam packed episode for you. We had The Real Housewives overver Road Island was on on Sunday and we get to get into that another fun episode with the ladies. We got more episodes of Perfect Match. Jimmy Soto joins us later this episode to talk about the latest episodes of Perfect Match. There's a lot of arguing going on between Damari and Marissa That was like a triggering. It would just reminding me of being nineteen again. Yeah. You know, arguing with my girlfriends Damari had a couple of aruments with a couple girlfriends. Well he just kind of got shut down by Kayla, right? Well, and B, they got into an argument as the mixer. Yeah. He's fighting with everybody. He might be the problem. I'm just saying. He says he attracts feisty, feisty women. I don't. Mbe maybe's not just stumping for the men. I just don't know if he's the problem. I don't know. We'll get into it later this episode. Lots to get into Uh we we like we had a big moment yesterday We gave birth? No. Well, she R. S seemed like maybe last night. I thought now they might have These guys, these Braxton hicks, I never had them with River. I never experienced them once with River. And now I'm like They could fall out at any moment And it's really like bad for the husbands when they're like other fake contractions.. So now I'm just being like ye, you know, it's fake. You know. She's on the other side of the bed being like, A I don Nick last night, Nick goes, do you want me to get your socks I'm like that are not gonna help. I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do. You know? there's no baby coming. I was asking Natalie this the other day where I was like, you literally just have to like bearar the pain, right? Beuse there's you can't put pad on it. You can't take some medicine. you just got to And you really feel like a piece of shit on Ma because you're just like you're like paddting around the shoulder? Nick just kept watching his movie last night and I was like, I could kill him is not sure what we're supposed to do. There's nothing that pisses me off more than like me being in pain, whatever it is throughout this pregnancy. And I look over and Nick's like scrolling on Twitter, he's watching a movie, he's like drinking a cup of coffee. He's just like fine. L Life is normal. But how long does it last is it like a is it like a quick thirty second or it last five minutes? Like twenty minutes? twenty minutes. the whole the one contraction isn't No yeah. they come in and out, but like ye ye, they they last, I don't know. Yeah, like twenty seconds, thirty seconds, maybe, but then you get a little bit of a break and then it comes swinging back in. We're getting close guys. We obviously are haven't like revealed the due date or anything, but obviously if you we're getting close. This is our last ye, obviously And And with twins, they, you know, typically come earlier because there's less real estate. I'm wondering, should we start a like when will they come What? S you huntown preferace. There is. There's just less space. She's a luxury property over there. Look, T time is limited. Get your s now before it sells. Should we start a little like pool within the household of like what the babies will show up? Yeah. I love a bet. Nicael, what are we winningool I feel like I feel like mid June which would be fairly early I have another idea. I think we should get one of those like pregnancy stimulators and put it on Nick while we record an episode so we could contractul. Oh Yeah. That' brilliant. I did takea the watermelon and the cantaloupes. T watermelon., right? Tw waterelon. No Yeah. Yeah, technically right? You have to double it. Yeah We'll be doing that year next week or this week. That's just not practical. Please make sure I'm here for the. really I don't know. fourour pound, five pounds now I't know what do think what do you think they weigh? How much do you think a watermelon weighs? much is a watermelon? It depends what watermon you're getting. It's a bana. what could it cost five dollars Anyways, we we finished the back on finally Which was really nostalgic for me because like, you know, we have the lake property and we are luck we have in the backyard, it's a pretty big, you know, a decent amount of lawn, I guess. But like when I was a kid, my grandfather really like kept it together and it was like a nice green grass and it was like the first lawn I ever mowed. I have distinctly remember being like in the third grade like begging my grandfather and my uncle like to let me mow the lawn and like just relentlessly bugging them and they finally let me. Obviously when they sold the lake house and the person who bought it, like they they were like, this is their second home. They treated it like just like a lakehouse cabin And we we we've gotten to know the previous owner and he was like, yeah,' I didn't buy this place to like Moonss So he let that place just kind of like turn into like a field And after we obviously bought it back and remodeled the house, you know, that was like the last project and now it's like a beautiful, we put the sod in yesterday, which was really fun to see. First it was like all dirt and then they put in the sod and now it's just like this beautiful green grass pushed rail in the back and we put in an inground trampoline which was very exciting for me because as as a relatively, you know, we weren't poor, but like we got by So we never had a trampoline And to be able to get my kid a trampoline feels very cool. That is is cool. Yeah. That's awesome You know, trampolines can be dangerous. so we, you know, Mary was like, we're going to print out a rule next mom. We're going to print out a rule list and nail it to the tree that's next to the like only one kid at a time jumping But it's in ground, it's a little safer. If you haven't been double bounced into I was gonna say as a child, you haven't had character building. the way my brother and his friends would torment me and I couldn't get off Look at me now guys. L getting thving Like look at me now guys. I have a bad back, my neck naky. I have a herniated disc for. But she can slowo walk better than anybody I know. Thank you what happens to the inground trampoline when it rains? Oh Like does it's no longer trampoline, it' just a pool. Yeah, like underneath. it does like gather water you put like a tarpper cover over. Well, you know, there is dirt underneath And like, you know, rain kind of goes into the ground. So it just seepss into us. We didn't put like we didn't we didn't like make a pool and then put a trampoline over it to collect water No, no, I was just curious what happened. Yeah, I guess the water does go into the soil. Just kind it just kind of soaks on in. Just does what it does. But someone recently told me that inground trampolines are like a snake Oh Yeah We have we have snakes up here. We have fairly they have snakes that do this What is that? No, like a water moccasin? But I mean, they're not ison. I have a distinct memory when I was a kid of taking the mail up to the mailbox And there is a snake just like prong like this. It's a big black grass snake And I remember just fucking just hauling ass back to the house. Yeah We haven't seen any of these snakes s since we've bought the house, but they do exist and they are up here, which is terrifying But apparently yeah, trampolines there are, you know, because like heat you know, attracts animals Sn beats on trampoline, There's all like a warm space underneath there.. So you're gonna have a pit And they're gonna be snakes crazy. Imagine the like make believe that kids will be able to have bouncing on a trampoline with a snake pit underneath. I think that's pretty cool. I would be so scared if I was ver I I would never get on it. I'd have one cousin, older cousin be like, Yeah there's solely snakes under there and I'd be like, I'm good one time when I was little There were a bunch of snakes in our back porch and my mom and my sister literally just got like shows and then went out and just like, no, see thatilled the snake. That's not nice to say. I didn't work it. Murder. Well Well, if you got a snake, just call Rob Rob. I would just say Rob Ros. call Rob Rob. Yeah. It reminds me though of when my sister told me that milk, like cows milk was The cow's blood with just no red blood cells my bloodell. Oh my gos. That's crazy. Yeah ye. Well the truth is it's not their blood, it's their mucus. That's actually. Right. It's worse. Yeah I'm so glad I didn't grow up with siblings. Oh my gosh. I was traumatized. When I was in high school, I was like on the homecoming court my freshman year and my brother got his friends to chant brush your teeth As I walked down That' so. Isn't that so. I know. Were you not like a teeth brrusher? No. they actually it was one of his friends was making fun of my teeth because he' said that they were per Somebody also just recently started making fun of my teeth online the other day actually. Is it your brother on a burner account? Now that you mention it, it might be because they said that I have like so many teeth in my mouth and it's like my face is like, this is like so mean, but they said it's kind of like punchable, you know? and And they're like, just so make that No, no, no, no. it's honestly funny. Like I'm like, she probably doesn't have any teeth. as probably what's going on. Let's see your teeth Matt. Yeah. Sh me yours. I think I'm gonna go with mine. but no, I think it was just like My brother's best friendriend maybe maybe he had a crush on me. I don't know. L he was just like making fun of my teeth because they were big or something. and just became a whole bit and then Chacter building guys. Y character's amazing It's your teeth.. Did you guys notice the Spotify logo changing? I let it simmer, but I'm curious what other people have bought. Death to all of them. Also the Nanit app for anyone who cares, they also change their logo Sut out Nan, whichich I don't feel like brands should do. Now I'm like looking everywhere on my phone for that damn app Yeah I feel like everybody just wants to be Dolingo. Dolingo switches their icon like every other month. Spotify is doing it to celebrate their twentieth anniversary. so it's cute. Okay and it's temporary. But I like disco ball. The disco ball It just doesn't make sense. Also Spotify, it's like flat features. Your entire branding is flat features. You want to go three D disco ball Yeahle does make sense for Spotify It kind of does the more you think about it, but it looks like You know when your phone has like too it's like not enough storage and then you have to like offload things and it starts like undownloading apps that you don't use. That's what it looks like to me. And so every time I see it, I'm like, oh my gosh, should Sotify like undownload or something?loading or whatever. Yeah, it's just like a I am curious what our audience things, if they've noticed. Yeah, what do you guys think Are they win this against us Also Did you guys notice Mall modeling is returning. with the Victoria Sereper casting specifically, I feel like I've seen so many models doing it. like Gigi Hadid was there. When was the last time you guys have been to an indoor mall I recently you think. I alost w yesterday. Ohve is outdoor. Oh o, it is outdoor. you're right. Yeah. Yur local ma is indoor. and I definitely go there. Get my bath bombs. Shout out to Lush. Love Lush. Yeah, it's been a minute for me, I feel like, But every time I go in I'm like Wow, they're really like the the Oaglethorpe Mall in Savannah is the saddest place you'll ever go into because it's just It's so quiet and there's so many stores like closed down and then it all it really is left is Zoomies U Bath and Body workorks, a Starbucks and like a Victoria secret Yeah. W. Justin Amera, you guys really missed the mall era as kids. You no, no, no, no, no, no no no, by the way. early two thousands kids were the blends of everything before before it all got changed. We got mall. We had the crazy mall carpet, we had the mall playgrounds. the blockbusters, we had everything. Yeah honestly. Yeah. Yeah, but like would going to the mall be like an entire day event? Working class pares? Yes. I would hang out at the mall. I got dropped off at the mall The our mall in my hometown now though is literally just like a mega church so then across from that, it's a Spencer's gifts. I did think that it is a recession indicator that the mall castings are coming back. Yeah.. I've been going to the mall more recently and every time I go, I am shocked by how many people are there where I'm like, I think mall culture is coming back because people don't know what to do d place People love a third place. Well, no, and now there's all these like studies coming out up more and more about how we haveve all fucked up our brains and our kids by being on the phone and things like that. Thankfully a lot of parents are realizing like we need to get outside, we need to touch grass, we need to like engage with people, My kid needs friends. Like I remember the mall being the place where Obviously you'd go to like hang out with your friends all day in, you know, junior high, high school, middle school, whatever, however you. And there were like old people who were doing their walks. Oh ye. Y. You know ' raining outside or cold or older people's not call them old, older. In my mall, it was like eighty year old people doing their walks And good for them. Yeah I love that for them. I love them all. It does make me feel like There's a feeling of being in a mall that's like nothing else. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like it's its own world. The mall for like middle schoolers was like, it was like your first experience of like bar life. Yeah, so real. It was like the mall in six flags because like Yeah like six flags like you would go like the you know, as a kid, s, you know, going to six flags, the best part was going in line with your friends and you always like try to like find a cute group of for me, girls And then you would like try to like make eye contact in the forty five minute line and try to like meet the girls. That's so real. That is real. Yeah. on your youth group I ment Hometown mall had a ice skating rink in it. So that that was the move is that like people would go ice skating, so then you'd likeir up Yeah an indoor ice skating rink, and then there was a Ruby's diner that overlooked the ice skating rink. So you get a sn. So then everybody would go in and grab their like f fries and soda or milkshake. Nobody ordered a real meal because we were like, we have twenty dollars. And the waitress was mad at you every time you guys walk Literally Leaving yeah, no for sure. I'd paid us too We did ice skating too, though. That was like a big thing. Yeah. And we had a movie theater in there too, so it was just kind of like one of the place where like every parent could just drop off their kid for like hours and then' be like, okay, pick us up. It'sine o'clock at Starbucks. I will say I feel like going back to the mall Meling I feel like all of those were scams. Well Thats what I'm saying, 'causeuse Barbazon, do you guys remember Barbazon? ye.ike they would scout kids in the malls and they'd be like, you're the next model. like pay all of this money to Rober Powome like cast with us and then we'll connect you to an agency. And I don't think it ever really like ps out anything. Okay. If anyone has ever had a success story from it Please let us know because I really do think it is like the biggest scam. but as a child, I would fall for it. I remember you were special. Yeah. I was like, Mom, I'm special and she's like, No, I let you do this for fun. L we're going home. The mall, the mall, um malt modeling scams are basically the danimel screws. Right, as you alleged before. But this is real though, Natalie because is Victoria Scret and that's where I like Victoria Screts making its come back like through the runway they did recently and it's mall castings, which is very fascinating to me. Yeah. I also kind of liked it though because it's like giving anybody a chance to audition to a Victoria's Secret Angel. And I just remember like obviously growing up that that was such like a Untouchable. Yeah, like it's like you had to know somebody to know somebody. So I think it's kind of cool that they're opening up a forum in a place that like you all. canan I just say I did listen to most of these models like their speeches because they do the walk and then they like answer questions and a pageant? Not pageant, but you do your walk and then they ask you who you are, because I think that's just part of like casting the And they want to see your walk. Yeah, and it's about like personality. but like some of them are like welders, biologists, like and they're just doing this to light douff for themselves outside of what they do to help others. so it's very inspiring also to watch. And I learned the difference between a catwalk and a horsewalk,id didn't know that that was two different things. Oh, I saw that girl. She ate. ate So. It was a girl doing cart we I tried to do No, I didn't. but I tried to do the horsewalk. I was like, canan I do this? I couldn't even do it. I was like myself literally put on heels in my bedroom and was I was like, could I do that if I wanted to? I literally couldn't. Wit can river horse walks. Oh like this? No. No that' It It's just like a more aggressive catwalk, like more of a stomp Can Susie or Sierra, can you guys get up and demonstrate this horsewalk for me? You want to see that? me. No, please join me. Yeah. The forum is yours, Bamp. Don't worry. I can't though. That's the thing. It's like it's a bad representation. Well I just want to see you try, really Yeah. And for our audience I'll tell you exact listening audio wise, I'll tell you what's going on right now. Okay, Suzie's her hy le. Oh the legs really go up. Yeah. It the legs really go up and it's more of a stomp. both of her'y the horse is crazous. I feel like horsewark is not very flattering. for what that is. Very good. You guys should I go to a casting? I think you should They're having them. And. I think you should be like stomping glide, stomping glide, stomping glide. I used to make my mom sit at the end of the hallway and watch me do my runway wal. That's kute her high heel It. Speaking of runway walks, the sports Iillustrated rununway is coming to Hulu coming up soon and one of its participants, Jenna Sims, who is the wife of one of the best golfers in the world, Brooks Kapka, who was recently under fire. Are you guys familiar with this story? It's kind of wild. I've just learned about this. Just learned about it and I'm angry Yeah for anyone who doesn't know, apparently Jenna Sims husband wife of said golfer Brooks Kapfka went to the masters. not too long ago. and like basically got like ut sh sounds about right? For her outfits. And I heard about this story and it was like Jenna Sims like is getting like flamed in the comments and criticized for what she wore. and I'm like wondering like, did she show up in a swimsuit? I was wondering like, is it like really provocative? Like what's going on here? And then I looked at the video and all of a sudden like, I'm like this She could wear this to church She looks fabulous That's my issue with golf culture. I'm like, I'm all for like some traditions, keep your traditions, but like She looked beautiful, she looked put together, she looked classy. So honestly, people are just hating. and I don't like when people are like There's so tied to a tradition of like your shoulders have to be covered or something make. She also when we interviewed her, we'll get into it, but she basically says like The tradition is not that. Like there's a dress code and the dress code is what I'm wearing. Right Yeah, exactly. And it's like her bright colors and her just her essence. I was like, no, I'm so into this. And its it pisses me off. I'm like, leave your leave your hatred at home It's giving sllow Nsdayay. What's the most provocative thing you guys have worn to church? My mom used to drag me to church in my pajamas So I guess that was kind of provocative. I have Kess emerched that says bitch I'm blessed. R In a Catholic church and forget, but they would always be, oh these are the youngs, like they werere like they're in love with like Jesus and God I guess I am blessed. Thank you. Yeah. I'm blessed. I'm blessed. I don't think I've ever worn anything crazy. I remember like wearing shorts to school and then them making me like stand and do the hand test and making show long enough. Do you remember like like I remember too stress. I got boobs early and it was so annoying 'cause like I couldn't wear tank tops. I would get dress coded and I would be like, guys, I'm literally just doing my best here. Puberty happens. Literally. Your shoulders are so distracting to Philip who's sitting behind you, he can't focus on math because your shoulders. I was like I like totally me and my slicked back bun, but looking like yeah. But why was spaghetti straps considered like a no no, but then like a regular tank top was fine. whereere I'm like, you're talking about two inches of a strap because allegedly you can see a bra strap in that other wearing bras back then? I mean, I had to For fuck'sake News to me. By the way,. I like dress codes. Dress codes don't exist anymore at like high schools. Oh my little sisters high school. She's like there's a dress code and I'm like,'s crazy. They' were like stuck was too brross And justice for all the kids I went to school with. They were like getting sent to the office, going home, getting Oh my God. I used to have to change. I was so. Oh yeah, the crazy clothes.n't in to change because they were like we can see your bralette through your tank top and I was like, well, the bralette is covering the bra. I have under like it like a little thing and then a tank top over. Well, brawlltte's a little scan. One of my like first clinical rotations for being in college for surgical tech. We had to wear purple scrubs And I I don't know what happened, but like I went and bought a pair of scrubs. I think maybe they were purple' like not an easy color to find, right? Not a lot of sizes and shades in this eggplant color purple that they wanted us to wear. So they were maybe like tighter than they should have been And I remember my first day of clinicals. my teacher at the end of the day, we'd like all sit down and we'd talk about like How the day went, what surgeries did you scrub into, whatever, whatever. And she was like, and Natalie You need to get bigger scrubs. Every one of your preceptors and the nurses were complaining about how tight your scrubs were. Oh That's you have to get bigger scrubs. And I was like, wait, but what if I like had just gained weight What if, you know, like what the he and they made me Yeahah. go get new scrubs. Sorry, my body's tea. like She said this in front of the class or like yeah. Oh Wha. That's mean. It's not my fault. My wife has a great ass. That's what I'm saying I'm like, she can't help it that her body is eating that thing up know Sorry, she's a bad. I sorry. like she can't help but that she looks that damn good. Her body was the doctor. H Literally. Also, like when a patient comes out of anesthesia, that's like a kindness to like to have the first thing they see is Eactly great ass just popping out of. They don't even see me when they wake up only during the surgery. And they wish that they could. That's the thing. You know I wear like a big gown. Like you wear like a surgical that's right gown over your scrub. What if part of surgery was like creating a really nice fun atmosphere for the patient coming out of Anesthesia. onene thousand percent. I quit. You know, I think that should happen Next season on the pit. Well for anyone listening who' ever felt a little judged or shamed by their gorgeous outfit they they decided to put on Our next guest, Jenna Sim joins us to talk about her experience, what it was like to be absolutely roasted in the comments for wearing something that was very stylish, very beautiful, very chic and how she handled that. Obviously she and her husband is a world class golfer U For all the ladies out there whose husbands are fan of golf, theyre going you're going to want to tune into this episode as well. 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And I'm like, I'm expecting to see you in like, you know, like dresses like Adam and Eve with like leaves on your chest or something And then I looked at the outfit and I was like, what a wonderfully nice Sunday. Like you could have worn that to church. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I mean, like maybe a lot of people might to disagree with me. I don't know, but like I thought it was fine. You know Tkk every single year, like the TikTok algorithm chooses the masters. So it's pushing my content to people who are not familiar with who I am familiar with golf, not familiar with what to wear. So then all of a sudden for one week of the whole year Everybody becomes experts on the game of golf and what to wear to golf tournaments And I am dressing like myself, I feel very appropriate In fact, on the Master's website, which I just double checked like five minutes ago, for the like official dress code It says dress appropriately for the weather. That's it. It doesn't say, cover your tets off. It doesn't say not you can't show your me. So I I was fine just the internet decided to cr me, you know, the villain of the week. Yeah, how does it feel to be like the golf queen's like controversial wife? which is like as someone, I don't know how much you know about my background, but when I went I watched Bachelor. I'm an elder millennial. We grew up watching the Bachelor. at all. I always was like I just remember growing up being like, I'm a good guy. you know, I listen to my parents, I follow the rules. Pty boring guy And then somehow some way, I was like, you're the controversial character. And I was like, huh? L how did I become controversial? Like was this like shocking to you? Like how did you process all of a sudden waking up one day and having the internet tell you that you were like somehow being inappropriate? It's probably not unlike the Bachelor because, you know, you guys don't have your cell phones So you know, you really didn't know until you know you knew. And it's kind of that way at Augusta people They assume that just because we're the wife of a player that we can have our phones out there, but we have to play by the same rules as everybody else. Like I didn't have my phone So I'm just posting my outfits, going about my day and then There might as well have been smoke blowing out of the bottom of my phone. like it was crazy. I think people just assume like just because I crack a joke or have a personality. they like maybe confuse that with being a villain. but I loved it because it did wonders for my engagement. You know, peopleople like you reaching out and you know, agencies reaching out, bigger agencies reaching out and it just it led to so many more opportunities. And this is like your tenth eleventh masters that you've been to. I mean like I feel like you know at this point, you know, this isn't your first rodeo literally and I'm not I wasn't posting everybody every female on planet Earth, if you're going to the Superbowl, if you're going to the derby, if you're going to the masters, those three sporting events are too me, you know equal in their respective categories Every influencer posts what they're wearing. I wasn't even out there to make money. I didn't link I mean, I didn't link hardly anything things. I didn't have time. I was just simply sharing What I was wearing because I'm passionate about that It's so I'm curious at what point did you make Brooks aware of this drama that you were caught up in because I got to assume that he needs to be like focused on his game, like not distracted, but obviously he's your husband. like when we are caught up in like drama that we didn't choose to be a part of, like she is my go to. I'm her go to. But like are you able to like bother him during the masters. He's the best. He's one of the girls. He's all in on it. like I didn't realize this was the first time I've ever done anything where I've been viral.'ve For both good and bad things, like it was nothing like this because it was the first time people were doing sort of like the green screen videos where they would put up You know, cycle through my outfits and they were the talking head against my content. Sure Ho shit, that has never happened to me before literally just attending the tournam like anybody else so I knew going into it that. Because last year, every single thing I posted would get a million hits. And it was just like, oh my God. So I was like, I knew this year it was going to kind of be the same But he wasn't really in on it until I showed him sort of these types of videos. He was like, oh my God. And then I messaged him and he was actually still at the course like getting worked on. I was like, I am getting slate. I'm getting rarigged over the coes right now. and all he said back was Send me your outfit, likeike send me a picture like because he didn't see me.'s hondters up there So he didn't know what I was wearing. So he was probably going, oh God, what did have on today? Because I mean, shit, I could wear anything out there, you know and rocket. But I try to be aware and be conscious of the decorum of the masters because I I don't want to get my credentials taken away, you know, I think I think I towed the line. I think everything that I wore was completely appropriate. But I sent him the very first one, which was that Hunter Green sort of scallop It had like, Like this it barely showed anything too this was I mean, it was covered. no cleavage. It was just a little bit of belly button area. And that's the one that really sent them over the edge And I sent that to Brooks and he was like, what the heck? L I think that's totally fine. So It was a little bit of a relief just because I'm not trying to fuck his game up in any way. like I mean, we've been together for so long. like I know, you know, we have this like running joke of like, I don't if anything happens in your life, I don't want to hear about it unless your leg is getting chopped off. like during the week of Augusta. Like if any minor inconvenience happens to you, I don't I don't care. You know, just for one week of the year.t I don't want to hear about it. So I respect that And so it was more or less just like this kind of involves you a little bit. Like this is a thing. And he was like, o, whatever. that's nothing. How did you guys meet We met on Instagram actually.. Yeah. Which who slid into whose DMs for y'all? I slid into his. Me too. Oh yes. L DMs. not. What was the message Oh my gosh, so this is like, Sometimes I don't even take time to explain this, but this was before you could respond to a story on Instagram. So this was like a cold call And he had this one waste mananagement in twenty fifteen. so I haven't literally known him for eleven years now. U And it remember back then filters were just so popular. You would post them. filtered like three filters on this water bottle and I was like, ar. And so this was I used to live in L.A. I was in my shitty Sherman Oaks apartment that had like brown carpet and popcorn ceiling. And I had like a dead plant behind me And it was a very simple selfie, I had clothes on. I actually had a hat on And I said, does this filter make my plant look tan? Awesome. That's great. And he responded. And then like down the line I asked him, I was like, because he was hot. You know, he's a hotght. I'm stupid. I'm like What like made my profile sort of stand out amongst everyone else becausecause I I'm socially aware. I know that I'm not the only hot bitch in your DMs. And he was like, I don't know, I just looked at your page. you were funny And I just had this connection with you and I was like, you know what? I feel the same. I knew back then that I was gonna to marry this man. It wasn't love at first sight per se, but I was like, I just know there's something about this man. And now we We have almost a three year old, we have a dog, we have our life together. E. That's literally How did the first date happen? Like we met on Instagram and then we met up in New York. Be yeah, I doubt was He was't living in L.A. was he? Where is he from? No, he lived here where I'm now in Florida. Okay. And Yeah we could not have been further from each other. Actually, our first date was at the Masters. Okay There I know full circle. Like literally, anything major that's happening in my life happens at the master. You know what? I figured it out Jenna Basically all your haters on TikTok or all the ladies who were sliding into Brooks' DMs back in the day and didn't get a response and now they're up there. just pissed They were just waiting for. It looked like one of the comments when you were like, listen, I've been to the Masters before. You guys probably haven't. I know how this shit works. And then one of the comments that had like like a fifteen hundred likes. someome smart askker I was like, well, I've been to the Masters and I was in your comments. And I was like Okaykay, good. Congratulations. And I went on then you go look at the person's profile, you're like, o I don't know It was was crazy. but yeah, he invited me to the Masters in twenty fifteen actually right after we met. So our first date was literally right after he played that day. How did he do that tournament Oh my gosh. see, I was the queen of like, playing it cool. I flew in for like two nights. So I was there like maybe Wednesday, Thursday and I flew back back to my home apartment in LA. I think o, twenty fifteen, I don't know. He probably talk ten to. I think he did okay I have to chat GPT at I don' know. Did you know much about golf before you met him or was this like a whole new life for you? No, I knew a lot about golf actually. I'm from Georgia. so I grew up. That's how my dad and I bonded. We grew up watching the Masters together. My dad was a big golfer I know a lot more about it now. You guys should be best friends. She's from Georgia and her dad is a golfer. Yeah How's fun. I'm from Winder. It's a really small town U Savannah, rinking outside of Savannah, yeah. I' only been there for like bacheloret party I now. That's usually the case. Yeah. That's so wild. So the blanket pants that you had custom made, where did this idea come from How did you decide to do this? So there's a brand called yellow the label. They they make like little catchy things. They've got a shirt that says like no prying on the yacht. like I'm sure it's like it always pops up on people's like target ads They put out this pant but in a different blanket And it was just a general exact same style of blanket that like throw blanket with the fringe and it was like a vintage and I actually reached out to them and I was like, oh my gosh, could I get the pattern or You were like, no, you know, good luck But my sister saw it. she was like, it was kind of her idea. She's, you know, similar to me, big golf fan, big into fashion And she was like, you have to like make these pants for the masters And so I found two, I don't know how I did this. I know it's going to be impossible now, but two of the exact same throw blankets from nineteen ninety seven Masters and I work with a seemamstress at Taylor in New York City for like all my special events. like she's an epic Taylor And we made them. I brought I flew up to New York. We had like a little family Christmas trip. So it wasn't just for that. We brought our whole family. We did like the plaza Christmas experience was so fun. I brought a pair of sweat pants that I thought fit me perfectly so she didn't have to really take any measurements. I was like This is this pair of sweatpants. Here are two pairs of two blankets And we essentially just laid out exactly on each leg of the pant, where which part of the blanket we wanted to be on the pant. It just like It turned out way better than I anticipated. I knew that was going be a viral moment I honestly didn't think it was going to be a negative viral mom. People were so upset. That was the one that like AT and T, like the AT and T was hiding on my page T Like AT and T got in the comments? Like videos go super super viral. It'll be like the brands smart and you know, all these random companies like, what are you doing commenting under my video? L Pan team ProV, like just random companies and AT and T. was like, oh, I didn't know you're at Coachella teeen che customer in Pait a minute. Wait The J Z influencer Ml is rind your social media. She needs be fired because I'm a loyal customer, but not for lot You know, Mint Mobile, they'll take you. fifteen dollars a month.. service sus. Wait, y'all also have a three year old. We have a two she'll be two and a half this summer Yeah, it' be hurry this summer. Okay. How has Toddler Hood been for you guys We Well tough in the beginning. So y'all are just behind me. so I don't want to play the just wait. Yeah because I'm sure you hear a lot. But the ages of from two to two and a half, that was challenging for me because he couldn't quite talk yet. a little more destructive You know, you can't necessarily like leave them in a room and expect that things are going to be fine. Now he's he's almost three. He'll be three in July. So now we're having full conversations. He's almost potty trained. It is my favorite age. like he negotiates. I'm like it's time to go nap and he's like five more minutes. Who did you even not it like what? It This sl that comes out of his mouth. It was it is so much fun. it is so funny But On the flip side of that now like Brooks is on the road. It's a tournent week. I'm sol parenting this week. And it's hard because he kind of understands now that Brooks travels a lot for work So he gets a little more emotional. Like I picked him up from school today. He wass like, whereere's Dada? I'm like, Ohh, Dada's golfing and And he's like No, dad da gof. da And just little things like that like crush me because he's starting to like have more feelings and he's just he's a little human now instead of like, you know, a little blob. Yeah, we can definitely relate. Yeah, they're little potatoes at first, but it's like those moments are always like, yeah, like crushes, but it's like it's good to know that they miss you or good to know you're missed We're up at the lake right now and I went on a boat ride and Natie was filming River. Well we were we were all going to go and then River did not. She pitched a fit didn't want to go. She's like, I want to go back the house I' like okay, whatever. I'll stay with you So we stayed back and then as soon as they pull off and drive away, she's like picks up the remote control, puts it up to her ear, and she's like, Da da, Wh you leave me Why you leave me on the boat? I was like you did I was gonna go. rememember? It was good to be Mx. Now, you know. That sweet Do y'all want more or do you feel like y'all are content with one? You know, we've been through a lot as a family. I had a second trimaster loss last sorry O last fall. Thank you. Sadly not our only loss, kindind of I've been through a lot and After that it was it was pretty traumatic. justust everything that I had to go through to not be pregnant anymore. Yeah. That was a lot. So I'm still kind of recovering mentally. I'm not physically recovered, thank God, but Um Probably not right now. I'm thirty seven. I know I'm kind of like, o, like how need to decide, but For now, we're just, I call it one and fun for now. Yeah That's kind, I mean, yeah, that's, you know, we experience the same thing. We had three of three miscarriages and it's it's such a hard thing to like, yeah, like you're saying to mentally feel like you are moving through it and moving not past it because you don't ever, I don't think, move past it, but just get to the other side where you can look at things with like a brighter light and it not feel so dark. My second trimester, I'm so sorry that mean I was right do it So we My heart goes out to you. It's a very painful experience in every situation's different, but there's no good way to yeah. we relate to that pain and I'm so sorry you deal with that. I hold crew so much time like It made me really appreciate even more than I already did. Well, you have the SI runway show coming up that's going to be streaming on Hulo. That's very exciting. How like So that's going to be your moment. How does Brooks show up for you when you're having your moment in a ways that you often are showing up for Brooks? He is the loudest cheerleader. It's like the one event he typically is able to go to with his golf schedule So he really looks forward to it because's I've been with Sports Illustrated for like four years now and he's gotten to know the staff and the other models and they adore him because I mentioned earlier, he's like literally one of the girls. like he loves to shit talk and drinks spicy margaritas and dress up. honestly, he's like what are being awar of the red carpet? he loves it. So I think it's just a fun departure and also like he knows how much I support him. evenven when I'm not there, like I live and die by that scoreboard and You know, I make sure Crew is watching and understands what's going on. So I think it means a lot to him that he's able to support me in that way. Is Crew going to come to the rununway show or ye? Well it comes, but it starts at like nine PM. So you know, I'm not kiding My rehearsal. Are you J are you still watching a lot of reality TV these days or have have you graduated from Do you ever graduate I don't I don't want to assume. What do you watching these days? We watch ninety Day Fiancee on TLC. Okay and everything's been off. We watch a lot of Bravo. so I'm taking the Amanda Batula controversy to heart. Okay. What's? How are you processing that? Do you have what's what's your take on that whole situation So This is tough because people it's it's unbelievable how people really live and die by this controversy And I was always an Amanda Batura f Dan Like in a way, I can relate to I actually blame Kyle for all this. I can relate in a way of like in the early days of My and Brooks' relationship, he was a big party boy. He would go out all the time Like all the time. He was Kyle Cook And I was the Amanda going, I'm ready to settle down. When are you going to stop going out? And then one day I said, You are going to stop fucking doing this or I'm out. And that's where the the two roads diverge in the woods. Brooks. Listen to me And calmed his calm down and then we got engaged, had got married, had a family, life is good. you know, we went the normal route But Kyle Cook now said, no, I'm good. I'm not I'm actually going to double down on my partying and become a DJ and stay out ttill six AM. So then then I'm like, well, shit, I kind of, I do have a soft spot for her because she just she did love him But he There was no compromise and honestly, maybe no compromise on either side now that I'm kind of watching it, all playay back to have a little more fun too. But obviously I'm a girl's girl and I would never, ever, ever do that to any of my girlfriends. So it's tough to really take a hard stance because there's so many different like sort of layers to it. Yeah But obviously, I think she screwed herself you know, and in in so many What do you think of West these days the home He's a funny guy, you know, he's he's the classic rebound. However, she lives in Manhattan. there's probably ten thousand of him in Manhattan. So she didn't have to go with the one that dated her best friend, you know Yeah I Yeah, No, I get it. I just I just empathize with her like I thought that moment last week when she's likes crying to me in Sierra and she was like, I'm just afraid I'm not good for anyone else. I just I really believed her that she felt that Yeah, in a way like You know, she lokves to play the victim though she likes to say some shit and people are like, but no. Well, I don't like I'm not excusing her. I just think You're in a relationship for ten years, you get divorced and you're just kind of like, how do you start over? And here's this like funny. Goofah guy that everyone likes and he's finally, you know, he's nice to you in a way your husband wasn't I mean was I don't get it. I've had many of rebound dudes that were just like the funny gu. I get it. Yeah. He really is. You're right. That's so good. He is the rebound guy. He's made a whole career out of it. He's not the husband. he's definitely the rebound. Yeah. Well, Jenna, this has been fun catching up with you Don't listen to the haters, you know, not that my opinion matters. I thought you could wear that outfit to church, but, you know, maybe I'm Maybe I'm problematic I don't, but I thought you looked great.. We appreciate you taking the time. Congratulations and everything going on. Thanks for you know sharing a little bit about your insight with your relations with Brooke. It's always fun to hear how you guys met and how you guys make such an exciting life work. And congratulations on the SI. Runway showhow. We're excited see it premiere. We're doing it with a lot of friends of show, Camille and Brooks and a lot of great people were also fans of. So congratulations andre we're excited to see it premiere. Thank you. It was nice to meet you. I feel like we have a lot a lot in common. A lot G. Yeah you guys can be the internet friends. Yeah have certainly a loted to talk about. Yeah. yeah in person. I'm pretty sure I think I met Brooks once outside of Craigs between some mutual friends in L.A. Yep, that checks out. He loves the boys. Yeah. I think I him once. Anyways it' great talking with you Jenna. thanks for taking the time Hey goodbye She was fun Iso love that she's watching Summer House I'll say I've never felt uglier. As soon as she popped on, I was like, I'll kill myself. I said, you know what? and I'll see myself out You guys are both really gorgeous. and I wanted to ask her like, what should I wear at the nexte Masters? Like I want to going. I want to go. I don't know golf, but I want to go. I just started taking lessons Like it's like a new thing that I'm into now. So if anybody wants to go, we can wait, you guys, Oh my Godd We should golfing. There's four of us. we can fit in a golf cart and we can like We can just lagh. Oh. Yes. Are we nothing to you? I used to golf. You guys not here right now. but she said she said, there's four of us. I said, Well, five six on this couch over here. But when you guys come back, obviously, I would love to golfing with you guys. It'll be you guys in the twins in the other cs. Oh my god, it's so cute. we can get baby seeds. four guys. Yeah, four versus four. I can't believe we're about to have like three girls. It's like happening real. I can't believe I'm twenty seven with three children. And you know what you did that. That's crazy. Well, we also had the real House Fs of Rhode Island airing on Sunday. First of all, Sampeig, great new Awesome. I've never heard thatesomeome slam pig has entered my brain and it's never leaving. I love They were all like, what does that mean? And I was like, I had an idea just very easagily of how it was used. By the way, here. Do you remember Jersey a couple seas ago when it was Jennifer Aiden, I think, who like pulled out some like random word of like wolf something or whatever and then use it as an insult and everybody was like What does that mean It a ch go into like a definition of it and it just doesn't land. But Yeah but this one landed. It was like I knew what a slam pig was No definition needed got I picked up what she was putting down Yeah. W she slammed down? Yeah I got it. And then Kelsey decided to like throw accusations towards Rosie. Are these cheating accusations that Kelsey threw Rosie's way? A these the first time they've been brought up As far as I know. Right? I don't know if it's been brought up previously in the season. The ones that Kelsey brought up about Rosie with like the basketject too Yeah, the basketball coach and some other person. Well, Rosie said in our show that these were well known rumors like in Rhode Island or like around Rhode Island where she said that because she was a news reporter for like a school journalist, people just started small chattering, changing the stories. Yeah and identifying her with it. So I think it's just like that's well known Yeah, within Rhode Island there was like the basketball coach like did get called out for having an affair She was on a differentable, right? Yeah, they like conflated her with the girl. You know what? You should just go back and listen to our episode with Rosie where she breaks down this entire rumor and gives us all the tea behind it and how it got started. I don't think Kelsey is as funny as she thinks she is. Or maybe do you think she thinks she's funny? orr do you think when she just like it doesn't land? she's like, oh, I was just joking Because like last episode, she shows up in the Range Rover like screaming in the microphone.' the real estate please. And then that's a joke. And then today I don't I just don't get how being called a slam pig and then showing up with a sash. game night where there's a bunch of kids wearing a sash that says sllam peig is like I don't know if that's like the the own that she thinks it was. I don't know. It's just like you're wear you're the one wearing the sash that says sllam pig. Sounds like you're own. I think she's sadly kind of eight though, because it's like what you either you have two options You cre create drama by being like, that was mean or you just own it and like they can't use it against you. But then she's gonna to be branded. We know how Housewife's branding works. She's gonna be branded as a slam pig. now it's kind of kind It also just was get. Well, now the internet will literally always have memes if they want to of like Kelsey wearing a sashash that's a slam pig I. And I just feel like maybe that like she might come to regret that Yeah because I'm certainly going to use them. What I will say is that I'm kind of glad she did though because I don't I also like don't think it landed. and I feel like the people that have been wriding for her this whole time are finally like Okay, like, let's calm down. And I feel like that the dynamics are starting to shift a little bit where people are like, okay, you like won't drop this and like you're you're looking for trouble now. So I'm like, okay, I feel like people are coming around to seeing some of her like not so nice side. I also feel like you can tell that like Kelsey's Relationship status is bothering her because like she goes to this dinner with her new boyfriend And it's like a triple date. all the husbands are there. And then she's like asking the husbands like what do you think of like how I move in relationships? And I just feel like that would be like a nightmare situation for her new boyfriend because I just feel like it would be fairly emasculating for most men to have your girlfriend's bills being paid by another man, specifically like your rent in life insurance or like any type of insurance, which is the type of like payment where it's like he is literally taking care of her because like that's her house and like her insurance And it just feels like, well, He's only doing it because apparently like it just implies that your new boyfriend can't do it And then she's explaining this to like two other men who no doubt would be like, yeah, I would never be comfortable with that. They don't really know how to answer that. And the way Jes is trying to almost convince everyone that how she moves is normal while everyone kind of like having this deer and headlights look being like, yeah, no, totally. It's like, you know, do you. It was like a question that was meant for couples therapy or like behind closed doors that she asked to the friend group, which then feels weird because now herer boyfriend can't really say anything orr he feels like it's like making him be like, oh, like I have insecurity issues where I'm like, no, it is a little uncomfortable. You're either the guy who's like, yeah, no that doesn't bother me But then you're the guy who that doesn't bother, which like Almost is just as weird. Yeah, ye like handing over like it's okay that she's being taken care of by another man because I can't. But it's also kind of like again, it's just weird that she even wants to bring this up on like a as a group debate and like I don't know, yeah,'re masulating the saave it for a different context. Yeah. And also just say that you're not really capable of taking care of yourself because I think that's a big part of it too. She said she doesn't know how to do, she doesn't know what a mortgage is. She doesn't know any of that stuff. So I'm like, I also think that it's kind of like the guy being like If I don't do this, who is gonna do it for you? Right? You know what I mean? She's gonna be homeless. Yeah. in essence, it's like better to be vulnerable and just be like, I actually Like I don't feel like I have a choice. like I don't have a career. I don't have the finances to do it myself. So like You can't blame her. I mean, you can. I understand the cir. You can't blame her because she like gave up her independence to be with a man. Right. Well like does my man does kind of over like No I' wrong one hundred percent. Yeah. She did give up her independence to be with a man, but she did know like She made that choice. It's not like he forced her to do that. Yeah. like the sentence says she gave it up. Yeah, like she chose to do that. I'm not saying that there weren't like certain power dynamics probably present. Suddenly Mary's back tracking on misogynya, okay? No I atos. That me suddenly Mary's no. feminist. Suddenly I hate women Yeah Anyway, so what I'm trying to say is obviously like she made the choice to do that, but then There are certain power dynamics that play that like, yeah, he because of that And he probably was like controlling about finances and stuff with her and like didn't give her the opp. to stop her from learning how to like She didn't do it on her own Which is kind of her fault. What complicates all of this is the fact that she may have allegedly not even been with the man before filming and asked the mom to be filming in her house Yeah. what? We Those are the whole Rosie. Rosie but everybody saying that like she This happened a year ago Yeah, that she was already broken up before filming, but then like convinced the mom to let her film in the house. Be his mom owns the house, not her man. Yeah, yeah. this this that's we're watching unfold is kind of like fake storyline because it's like her like asking her boyfriend, which I think they're friends to like use this as like to move back into the house to film for the show. So when Rosie's like, whereere's your house? That's what she's actually saying. Yes, that's a Rosie saying. Period. Yeah And Okay notot to derail the combo, but that's what to me I always think about that while we're talking about this. like it's like, well, this is all becauseuse I was gonna to try to give Kely the benefit of the I think we should though. I love Kelsey. Be I was like, she did make a point where I'm like, just because you guys didn't get married, you were with somebody for ten years. and like we're watching the same shit play out with Dorit and all of these people going through messy divorce d that are like I feel entitled to alimony to And she should. I Sugar babies should get alimony Yeah. Is they in their time? Yes, it is. I feel like Kelsey should have been in the car with Liz and Alicia when they were talking about the definition of homeless. Mary I have this debate We did have this debate yesterday. Okay. I'm curious how y'all feel about it. I'm teeam Alicia here. I'm team Alicia as well. Like how many nights do you have to like be without a home to feel like at some point in your life You were homeless. And obviously there's a difference between being in a position where you don't have like your family home, but you have other people within your family and your community that you can like stay with than being on the street or in your car. Yeah, but like you still don't have a home. After I was in a relationship where I lived with the guy was very bad. I moved out. I felt very You know, I was like, I'm not going to call my family and tell everyone like this is what happened. So I lived in my car for like a little over a week And I feel like during that time I was homeless. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have your own home. If you have to ask a favor or permission to stay at another house That's not yours And you have nowhere else to go but a hotel, even if even if you can afford a hotel, you're still less. Yeah. and I also just think anybody gettingetting so particular about the definition of it, I'm like, well, if you haven't experienced it, then I don't know that you should be the one like policing how you use that term. Yeah. And I'm like, now it's a bigger deal where she basically I agree with what she said, where she's like, I was being vulnerable and like shared something and now you're criticizing the verbiage in the way that I said it. Like you didn't grow up living my experience And like, yeah, maybe compared to people who are living on the street or living in shelter Yeah, exactly unhoused, like of course, like there's variations of that definition. But I'm like to be so nitpicky about that. I'm like It's, I don't know, it's kind of giving like hater or like I think my take on it is that I didn't like how the conversation went because I agree with you guys. that I think like that's Alicia's like way that she experienced and how she voiced it But I do see what Liz is saying where she's saying like the term homelessness implies something more Wh? like Broadly when people use that, that implies something so specific that might have not been but they observed Alica Tough experience, you know? Yeah, but that so what? It was a little invalidating though, but I see what I do was saying. I think I just wonder like what Because I don't think that Liz's actual issue with Alicia is this homelessness thing It obviously is something else. Yeah. It's this little thing that she's nitpicking to like project. all of her. issues onto it I feel like it's yeah, I feel like it's Liz is like the matriarch of the group and I feel like she's like the You know, almost like the story polleice. Yeah. And she's like, that's not right. I think she has a way of kind of minim, you know, just like let her do it. She also knows everybody's family too, so I think her she' like that's not fair for you to say for your, you know, whoever's sake that took care of you or whatever. But that's what I'm saying is like even whoses husband was also saying that he grew up really close to Alicia's like his mom was friends with Alic's mom. Yeah. It was like someone Joe. Like I think there's a world where all these people that know their family is like What you experience is not what we consider homelessness, but that is what it felt like also what you saw from the outside of some family couldly different than what Alicia lived. Clearly we have Jo Ellen, who's like, this is what my mom did to me. And Alicia's like, oh my God, I always remembered your mom to be just like this sweet loving parent This is so shocking to me. So like clearly, is what I was trying to say. know the full story. And also just like justice for Alicia She just once her ten percent of pizza mama, a Kacker. A have a good day. Like let her cook. She's so cute. She's so cute Could you imagine if I made you give me like a business plan to like pter boards? It was so so I love her I love Alica. She's becoming Meredith Mark's level to me of like I love her. Yeah. Her cameos are awesome. Awesome too I don't know if you I just hit my woman with that car and like then I just gotta I know you and I both love crackers. My dear friend, Ashley, does she know what show she signed up for I don't know, but you should tell her' being like This are the guys. We're only talking about drama. I love S. I love As. She knew and she's delivering. She's delivering those tears. Give me more. Give me more. I wasas it Liz or someone? She's like, just don't c. Just don't cry. wa I I didn't like, I think it was Joe Ellen that was like, you'd be being embarrassing in your own spot or whatever. Be be quiet.'m like she's allowed cry at her birthday party. You know what I mean? L it's her birthday. She had Meredith Mark's level when she came out of nowhere with like the screaming. Yeah Yes And I was like, thank you give me more. It was so funny. It's a family establishment. you got Kelsey walking in with a slam pig sash. I'd cry. Right. You know the kids are like, what is that though? And then all these women are arguing and you have Jared being like, And who is the Star Wars character? Yeah know The best is after Ashley's crash out and you hear Jared say something and she goes, okay, so what's Star Wars? No this me? No no, no, it was specifically hering. So what's the big blue bug? Yeah at least she goes, I think it's just the big blue bug. Yeah No, but it was It was so funny. She's so funny. I was her completely. everyone mental breakthown out of that just going Okay. The women hiding under the table. The women hiding under the table. She's like, what is the big blue? I gotta focus onr me. They had some ankle strength to be in those heels squatting under the table. I cloged the b. And also like Jared, when Ashy was kind of like freakaking out, he's like, hey, like they're fighting. Like it kind of like was just kind of like it is what it is like let's not make a bigger deal out of it, but it was just like, I don't know, he kind of gave like good husband vibes where it's just like Hey, honey, I know this is fucking crazy. They're adults, but like what are we gonna do? Right? I was like good onm Jared for kind of like being like, Hey Simmer.'s okay. Well, in other housewise news, did you see that Dorite might lose her house? Really? It was like this past week that like her I don't know how it exactly works, but like it was like It was like the auction date where it was like the foreclosure date of her house and that got delayed for some reason. Allegedly payments were made like word on the street is that PK. made some payments. don't know if that's accurate, but it was delayed for like a week or something, but it's still like very much like The clock is ticking. That's going to be like H there been a housewife who's ever like lost their house in a foreclosure I think so. I mean, Taylor Arstrong lost everything. Yeah. Maybe there is no play. I think there's a lot of different examples. I think and what it was is that The sale date was postponed. The sailed it. yeah. The sale of like other people being able to come in an auction on this house bid on the house. Like they do like an auction How far behind are they on the payments? I don't know with that we know that, but it's getting postponed because they're like filing new legal documents that are postponing it of like who is supposed to pay what ' to read someone also living in the house? Well, I don't know if that, I mean, again, I'm no lawyer, but I don't know if that matters at this point because at this point, it doesn't matter who's paying for it or who should pay for it. The point is it's not being paid for. And now at this point, the bank's like, I don't care. you guys owe us money to the extent that like we're going to foreclose on this house Because like when you have a mortgage Like, you know, you borrow a couple hundred thousand dollars or maybe more, maybe a couple mil Like the bank is technically the one who owns the house. U the under the agreement that you you'll make these continued payments, but if you don't, the bank has the right to take the house away from you And it really doesn't matter who's paying it or not paying it. Dorite recently did an interview. whoo is it with Access or something? Extra. And they're like asking her about like the alleged like accusation that she spends over a million dollars on like, you know, clothes and things like that. she's like She's like I not spending a million dollars. There's two sides of every story. Do I spend a lot of money on high fashion? I mean, I love fashion. I do But then she was also like basically like my money is my money and PK's money is PK's money. But now you see like these reports of like, I don' know these texts were like you have to read, like Almost blackmailing or like demanding PK. So it's like, I feel like these interviews can't be doing her any good in the court of law because like here she is being like, my money is my money and his money is his money So if she's trying to argue for like any type of additional money that he gives, like how does that work? She said also in that interview like I found out briefly before about the foreclosure when the worlds found out. That's not going to stand up in the court of law The bank's not going to care. They're going to be, Ohh, you didn't know. Okaykay That's what I think all the legal a lot of legal filings are is that her being like, well, his name, like he was supposed to be paying it, but I didn't realize until recently that he wasn't paying it. I feel like that's when you're like accessory to murder, you know, And then you're like, oh, but I didn't know that there was a dead body in the trunk Like I was just driving the car. I didn't know. I don't know if that's how that works I mean, with like Erica Jane, obviously she had to move. Did she lose her house? She didn't lose her house wasn't it was Tom Gerardi. T Y end up getting her own. Yeah. Yeah, she moved out. But also congratulations, Erica. She seemed to settle her case. I don't know what that means for her how much money she had to pay, but hopefully for Erica This ends a very dark chapter in her life. Is her legal issues now done or is this like one of many things that she's going to have to face? Well, so this was the twenty five million dollars lawsuit and we don't know the details of what the settlement is as of now, but she's said this before where it's like These cases are going to just keep popping up like one after the other after the other for a while. So like she said like this is even if she wins one case, it means that there's a long journey of another case or something ahead of her This was just one of the major ones that a lot of people were following Be she won another one not too long ago also. The anxiety that I would have if I were her just anticipating, just knowing that that's coming. That's her by proxy Yeah of Tom Gerardia. That's so sad. I mean I can't wait for the next season of realal Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean I don't wish like obviously the stuff on anyone, but if Dorit does lose her house, that is going to be a very fascinating thing to watch to see her have to like move out of that house into something I assume is going to be much, much smaller. Speaking of Beverly Hills, there's a lot of discourse in Bravo Nation about who is going to be back next season for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Who do we have confirmed back? I don't think we have anybody confirmed back. Anyone. No one's confirmed. No. no one's confirmed.s just people are speculating on who they want to come back. Who do they want to come back Well, we doubt Amanda's returning Yeah by her own I think Amanda's declining the opportunity to come back. I still want her to return. I know. I'm going to go I'm I'm going to bet that she will. I'm going manifest it. Yeah, let's manifest it. Mifest it. I think she's already manifested that she's not Do we think there's a world in which Crystal would ever go back? The streets are saying that she's in conversation. I would love Crystal to come back. I think she would make a good main cast member. I think she make a good friend of. Yeah persononally. I need her back. I love her so much and I want to see her just. She's. She's the voice of reason. L Crystal comes back. Does that mean we're getting Sutt stra back Are we getting RIP Sutin brown? Which one are we getting fancy pants? Are we getting fancy Drew? Are Crystal and Dorit close? Are they friends? Never Dorite No, No, no, no, no Well, they're friendly. See, like I really would want Crystal back if if Dorite has to deal with the foreclosure of her house and get a new house because like again, the way Dorite talks about finances and money, it just seems like she just makes And Crystal is so like matter of fact and like feel oriented and like very, you know, she knows her shit. I would just love to see Crystal constantly like Call out Dad. When Darit's like making up stories about like how she is moving with her finances and like I also think that wouldd be a lot of fun. I also say like Kyle needs a shakeup, a backup. No I don't know that she'd beyle's backup. She wouldn't be Kyle's backup. No, they're not on. I was like, nothing. just all of that screams to me is just that flight that they fucking took where Crystal's like real, real rich lady, sorry, but she is. And it's just like Wait which flight hasp been? No, oververseas, remember And Dorit's wearing like head to toe dior or Chanel pajamas. And Crystal's like side interview was like I don't know why she would even want to sleep in that. like Mine are from Costco. And I'm just like that is so like she's like she knows how to spend her money right. You know. She does Well So Nick is referencing how people were predicting who could be like friends of or new cast members. And the names that came up were Laurie Laughlin, Emma Greed and Christal. Laurie Laughlin would be interesting too because we would get like the remnants of like the college scandal Olivia J which is what Mary and I had to go through. So like that would be interesting. She would be awesome. I don't think she's going to do it. I think that's a wish list Bes with Ema But it would also Jennifer Tilly would do it. It's true. And it's gonna get closer to what my hope for the realal Housewives of Beverly Hills is, which is for it just to become a real life version of Desperate Housewives. Yes. But I like want tona see like people with like real stories, real, you know, real Yeah. Al also Cryst's real friends with like Jennifer and Kathy Elton that Loki would be those friends would become the main cast members. Yeah and may be friend of some of the main cast. Well, here's my question though, who let's say, if Crystal came in as like If she came back as a friend or something, whose friend would she be? Jennifer Tilly? Well Hilltill But can you be a friend of a friend of? I think so. Yeah I kind of feel like some of like Bos' friends were like friend of a friend of. I'm like hi, girl with Cast. Where did you come from? She's friend ish with Suttin. That's true F Is. Was that Natalie? There's Natalie who who went on the tri? but there was the other friend that she had at the dinner when Mauricio popped up and it was there was. The one that got the happy ending Yeah. No no no, no happy ending was Natalie but the one you had like the sprained wrist or something. But it was like she was there for two episodes or something. and it was like, Hey bye I think what I Bose was kind of doing was it was kind of testing, but it also gave like Bose had friends that she was like, you know, would be really fun If you just like came on for an episode. Or she's probably seeing like, it'd be nice to bring maybe one of my real friends on the show. So maybe if you're interesting enough, they'll cast you. Yeah. But I don't think that worked out. No they were too normal. Well, it'll be really interesting to see who actually gets cast. Time to transition to perfect match. What do you guys think of Marissa's explanation of why she constantly interrupts and fightes I didn't love it And I'm an eighty HD neurodivergent girl. And I Yeah, I didn't like it. I think I don't know. I didn't like it. I was like if somebody gives you feedback on like communication I think it's really frustrating for your partner when you're like, well, this is just who I am. I can't help it. And yes, like she did kind of say, I'm working on it and it's getting better and all that. But it's like, but you have to just own it when you when you flub. And instead of being like, I know, but I didn't I didn't even finish my sentence. I just whatever it's like Yeah, just be like, I'm so sorry. I'm working on it. I think about this all the time nowadays because I feel like, you know, today's culture, like with the way we have like Water down the meaning of words Like I think many of us, including yourself, I'm sure Susie, myself as well, as I've gotten older, like when I was younger, when I was just called absent minded aloof, I'm still called those things, right? I do have a bad habit of interrupting. I have a bad habit of like dazing off and things like that. And when I got older And we learned about all these kind of like conditions and the way like therapy speak and we got so much more knowledgeable inststead of people becoming like, You know, for me, more than anything it was like, oh, and now I understand Wh? I'm not just like deficiently made, you know, in a sense. Like it was it's a better way to understand yourself, but now in culture, we just we don't use as a way to understand ourselves. We use it as a way to explain how people need to put up with us in a way So when you start dating someone, the way Marissa is talking about this is if like, well, you're just going have to accept who I am And that's not usually how it works. like especially when you just start dating someone. Like for me, it's a way to be like, okay, I have a propensity of doing this. like this is why my brain works this this way And while it's difficult for me to do and I will always have to work on it, it is a me problem. And I can't expect people not to get frustrated with me because are you to go around the world and just like every interaction you meet someone, like label yourself this certain way? It's a great way to understand yourself and give yourself more grace And obviously in a relationship as you get to know someone They can like, they'll give you more grace, but like you're dating someone for three days and you're arguing with them constantly. When you use that type of language nowadays It seems like You're not being sensitive. Like you're not you're it's a you problem. likeike you you're now like not recognizing problem I have and you're not giving me grace in a way that almost feels like you're weaponizing against the person you're trying to like connect with more. I mean, it's honestly kind of a hard topic to discuss sometimes because It I think like what you said, like that's why like adult diagnosis of autism and stuff like that is so important because it helps you understand yourself and so many people like, well, I've gotten this far and I'm fine. And it's like yeah but like once you become aware, then there's like tools that are accessible to you. and like there's so many things that And becoming like self aware and understanding these things or are these labels, it's like, okay, that's those are our tools and it's great to make your partner or your friends aware so that they can They can be more patient with you, but you can't have the expectation. like I've learned that myself you cant have the expectation that people aren't going to be upset or frustrated. like you have to be able to put your guard on and be like, I understand this can be frustrating and I'm really working on it because I really care about you. I was gonna to say like I was trying to formulate like I kind of understand Marissa's point of view also. because I think also throughout the process, like even I think back to when they had the board room and she was like Oh, well, if this friend comes in, like, is she going to be just a friend? And he was like, I don't know Like so there's like a little bit of insecurity that kind of forces her to then be fast to like speak for him. Yeah, but if you want honesty in your relationship, that requires sometimes hearing a hard truth. And if you're dating someone early on and you're not exclusive or fully committed you know, you have to be open to receiving that. Like, you know, when John and I first started dating, like we were You know, we weren't together. So we were really open and honest about like our dating lives outside of dating each other And like You know, it helped that we didn't like get like use that against each other for being honest and Marissa's doing the thing where it's just like she She's listing all her expectations and demands and as soon as he's like trying to just be up, he just, hey, I'm just going to be honest. like Then she gets mad at them. So it's like you're setting this kind of like, standard of like, don't tell me the only tell me the things that you know won't upset me. And I guess if it upsets me, like what is Damari supposed to do Anytime she ask them a question in the answer, he knows might upset her I think they need a talking stick. Yeah. Like that's what I was thinking. I was like, just let each other get your words out because like every time I feel like it was, it was you're interrupting, but then you're being sarcastic and it's like, well, feel like we're We're now talking about how you're talking to each other versus the actual issue. I do loved how Demari was like, do you want me to your level. I mean, I thought it was crazy when you were told her to calm down. I learned at a very early age never tell a woman to calm down. You shouldn't do that. No, donon't do that. When he said that I was like, oh boy U But I do like how he followed up with where he was like, well, do you want me to get to that level? which is like actually like, you know, I've never had heard it frame that way where it's is the visual the get the visual of like, I'm here. I can match you here, but I would rather have you match me here. I thought was like a great way of articulating like how a fight is about to like elevate because yeah, like Nanie said, it really pictures like what the fight is about to be. Also watching them, I just I had this thought where I was like I've had relationships where like from the get go. it's like We can't get on the same page. That's what this feels like to me where I'm like, they're either going like buckle into this and be that couple that fights all the time. And theyre they are that couple And that just sounds so miserable. Like to me, I'm like, I just think you guys are not on the same page and you should just go your separate ways because you Their whole relationship feels like it's just arguing the whole time. We're going just go kiss other people after Yeah. Holy shit brereaking now. spepeaking of what we're talking about who might be back for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Amanda Frances has posted this. that Rihanna hit her up in the DMs I love it when Rihanna uses her powers for good. Rihanna. No, no, nope Three exclamation points, no quitting three exclamation points. You're gonna to have a redemption. I promise you We need more of you. And a man is like, does this mean I shouldn't quit Or does this mean I should? Yeah Yesolute. That might be enough to change Amanda's mind. Do you dare go against Rihanna's wishes? Rihanna and I both are manifesting it and she just has the power to DM her directly. Exactly. So We manifested. We did. And then Rihanna sent the DM. She heard the manifestation.ard She is the go, that was her guess. Yeah we actually told Rihanna to tell Amanda that she should go out too. Did you see there's a picture of Brahmin leaving? it might have been the Mala but leaving a party with Rihanna and they're like, now B Brahwan has the ultimate late ' hard for Lisa to be like, well, I have a photo with Bronwyn. you think those moments, they're exchanging numbers. Yes. Yes. I think with like when you're Rihanna's favorite, Yes. Like do you have to do you have to wait for Rihanna to ask or you are like, Hey, like girl, like we should like Grab lunch sometime Brawinn has the Ris, but I think other people probably don't. Did you see the flower arrangement that she sent Mia from Summerhouse? Like the size of this tree behind? Oh my God. Like it was insane. where I'm like and she's now she's a fantig girl and whatnot. They went to dinners or something together and I'm just like Brihanna knows what's up and she should be an executive producer. She Bravo in general. She used to be like CEFO of Bravo Network. Give her something. Give her something.ucer Creative director creative director, credit Bravo. She's never been to watch What happppens live, has she No, I don't think so. Or hear me out, next Bravo show, she does the title sequence. bring her back to music. We don't need the album, J just give us the Bravo title sequence We'll give you a pass for the album for that. Yeah. Well, we do have Jimmy Sodas up next and he can give us all the inside scoop of all of these relationships inside the house. So let's bring in Jimmy and get some more answers as I'm getting What feels like bigger by the minute. I'm just reaching for pieces that are comfortable, flattering, and easy to throw on. and that is why Quintince works every single time. 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Yeah, we're started, man. You don't want to wan to start? No, my bad have to like pre game. co you? No, I did not. Where am I looking? There's like two cameras or four cameras, two TVs, humans. Whichever TV works for you? Yeah. We are a lot of different oions for. Well, Jimmy, since it seems like a fairly calm and drama free experience in the perfect match house, I mean, it feels like you had the benefit of connecting with Allison pretty quick Yeah, totally. Yeah. So I imagine you got like a front row seat of all the other drama that was going on in the house better than maybe most Yeah, I mean, I was in a mix but kind of not in a mix kind of just like bystander, I guess. Was that intentional to be Unp probleblematic, I guess. Not get too much in the drama. Honestly, it was that one night with Catherine and then Mackenzie and that was enough for me Really? Yeah St. Do you have a pit I just felt. I felt sour about the whole situation because it was like I had to ask Kat a lot of vulnerable questions to get her to open up like really quick And I would never really want to actually do that that fast as somebody. Like what was one of those questions that maybe you asked that we didn't get to see? Like, I mean, on like a first date, I'm not really trying to ask you like what makes you tick? What are you passionate about? Like what are your ambitions and like desires and what do you want to get out of life? What are you asking on first d? Yeah, I love that on a first date. Where you from? likeike, what you like to do? What kind of pizza you like? What coffee do you drink? Yeah You f with basketball, like Yeah, what kind of coffee are you drinking How did you coming on perfect match even become a thing I don't even know, man.fect. I was playing ball in London and so like I initially did like the casting process for Love Island and after like the first round of auditions or is it an audition or a casting? Casting casting syynonymous. Yeah. So I did like the first round I called my manager and I was like, Hey, this shouldough for me be like No, Seine Hill What was it like? What was that what was that casting process like that made you be like, now fuck this? It was the first one was just like like a conversation. You get to know somebody And I kind of like looked into Love Island after because I don't really watch reality TV, like I don't really know. much about this world. And I was like, yall, all this shit is messy. like Apparently people have, like to show and themselves And I was like, I don't know if this is for me. And then I saw the clips going like stupid on Twitter. and like for it to go on my Twitter, I was like, hey, I damnner fumbled. so like I told my manager if another one comes my way, like I kind of want to see it through And then it just happened to be while I was playing ball in London So I did the auditions while I was over there And then I really was like like I just want to see if I could even like get the part. L I wonder if like they'll even fuck me for real. So And then they did. And then I found out I was like the first non former reality TV person to do the show and it was like a big deal. So I was gonna to say, how has the internet received you being an influencer by title versus a reality TV star Good dad I guess depends on side of internet youre on, I feel like the resounding thing that I've seen is that we did not expect to like you like you grew on us. H that's actually way better than the opposite when people come in with this high expectation of p Oh, I love this person from this show. And then all they do is like fumble from there on out and people, you know, their Q score just goes down low. It's better to be on the up Yeah. But just I feel like I'm always having to like deal with people like, oh, you're actually cool. Oh, you're actually inike my whole life, likeike, oh, you're actually smart. Yeah. And I should just get me wec my world, broke. I mean you from Wiscin Broown You went you went to UW, so. Is that a little shakepe? Well, speaking of people who like started on a really high note, Marissa, who were all just we're all big fans of her. We love her. I've met Marissa in person. She is a lovely, lovely person. But obviously this season of Pfect Match, we have seen a different side of Marissa that's locked into with D Mari. What it was it like to see that dynamic throughout this process. Was it more intense being there right byide them Are we only seeing like the most intense moments, but they were mostly chill? What was it actually like to be watching Marissa DemMari go at it When I first came into the house, she kind of like was the first person to talk to me and like show me the ropes a little bit and like initially, I kind of went like viile for this shit, but like she was giving Mommy vibes. So like her and Damari was like, Mom and dad and they was kind of like putting me on game I just thought they were so solid. and then over time, I was like, oh, there's kind of some cracks here And then um, I don't know, man,. I get Damari sign I get Marissa side It was, I mean, there there was a night that like there was only one camera person left to film that scene because It was after damn their work hours. So like everybody went home And one person had to stay and they was just Crashing out on that cabana all night. Talking in circles. How long do you think they argued for Bro, it was a minute. Like me and Allison pulled up a chair by our little like corner room and was literally watching. Like I remember I was I was just e chicken fajitas with his hot sauce and I was just watching them just go And it was kind of nosy of me, but it was spicier, the Vajita or the argument the heat of a show. My stomach was fucked the whole show. Did you know that Marissa like brought up her ADHD as a reason for interrption? Or is that something you watched back like us So there was a moment where you can see me and Alison talking to Marissa kind of like in the cut. And she was like confonfiding in us and like almost just like venting that like she can't help this that like her ADHD kind of just like wins in these moments I just felt terrible for her ' becausecause like if you genuinely cannot control that, like and you know it's a problem, you're not proud of it, but like this is a part of you. You want somebody who will embrace you and be gracious with you and like be there with you to like hold your hand as you grow and try to like overcome this like hurdle of yours But at the same time, Damari deserves somebody who cans going let him talk. and like be what he needs. I also think it's a high stress situation and it's so rare that you start dating somebody and within four days you're arguing. Like at that point in the real world, it's like, okay, this just we don't match. But there you're like trying you're really trying to make something work that maybe doesn't work. I feel like that was probably very complicated for them both How shocked were you that Allie jumped ship from Jimmy K? Hashim. Not surprised at all. Really? Now because it seemed like watching it, like that seemed like that back and forth took all night long. Was that as crazy in real life as it was to watch back? or were you like it seems like you knew that she was gonna to go with the sham from the jump. Sorry, let me just walk you through this. It was like Jimmy was telling Allally one thing telling another girl, another thing And then Ally was like, oh shit, if we open, we open. So like then she started exploring, and she was like, yeah I'm really feeling his shame And I'm like, o, yeah, Dh, like I mean, your man's kind of doing you kind of slimy and so like It only makes sense. And then she was like,h, no but now I really like Jimy And I was like,h, now're doing a whole indecisive like whatever astrology sign she is that she like can't make decisions Libra. Yeah. so how was the other Jimmy doing her jirty? Didn't he like go on a date and kiss cast and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ye. Yeah. I mean, well, I would feel like you were doing me too be fair, I learned a lot as this was all going on. so like Apparently there's like strategies in like you have to play your cs a certain way. and like I was like, oh, shit out that, we just trying to like find our person. But yeah. You know what I was kind of confused about and I'm curious what you all think because early Ally was like, you know, you know, when your head and your heart want two different things. in my mind It seemed like she really wanted to like Hashim's bones. and she also seemed like she was like you know, thought Jimmy was a good guy and they had built a base. And honestly, when when she said I'm confused between my head and my heart, I assumed that the head wanted Jimmy and the heart wanted Hashim. But when after she locked in with Hashim, she said that it was the head that wanted Hashim and the heart that wanted Jimmy. And I was a little confused because like I feel like the head would be the more logical choice and the heart would be the more like, I want to jump this person's bones right now. But like maybe I'm wrong see my what you think I don' know thought I was like See, I'm thinking like different head. So like when I think with my head, okay right? That's why I was thinking maybe Fair enough. So maybe Allie was speaking, dude. as if she had a You mean, you know? I think you can say Perce on this show, Jimmy.. Yo, spepeaking of, what's her name? Kayla the penis fly trarapper is crazy I missed that. Yeah, was like her title. know, I'm like mr. T.Y B or some shit. Props to her though, because like good for her for like clocking D Mari when he would finally sat down with a chat with her and she was like Yo like clearly don't want me. like you've been trying to figure out your relationship with Marissa. So I gotta say shout out to her because usually on reality TV, people don't have that type of guts I got some inside scoop on that. She was like veting me on the whole like is Damari like feeling me or what? Like what's going on? I' like I don't know, like you gott fure sh out, Marissa And then I was talking her. I was like, but like, you know, like Kashim in the alley situation, I was like, that's looking a little dicey too. Like maybe go hller him. She was like, I think I went Weston and then just like walked away from me started talking to him. And I was like Fuck you. L her. L that. She knows what she. Did Weston tell you, Jimmy, that you have to put food on the table? Like you seemed to tell everyone else? No, he told me that he could beat me one on one and I was like, you're talking to the wrong person right now. That was the first conversation we had. I was like, I know you don't play ball for because you wear low cut socks with high top shoes That' no sign. Every lady he' sat down with, he's like either you're gonna put food on the table or you're not going to put food on the table. speakingote simple as putting food on the table. He speaks in quotes. And he' barars angle a that. likeike He kind of put me on game do a lot of things. is he a football player? I think he's just like a cowboy. Oh he' just a cowboy. Yeah. Just a cowboy He a great dude though, like genuinely Did you understand Allie's humor? I feel like the internet, we know Allie personally. I feel like the internet isn't really understanding know where she're gettingen from? I think Allie's like the funniest person ever. I love she No way people I mean, I guess I could see it. If you don't know her, she probably come across as like psycho like just like high maintenance damn there're just like a loose screw But As a homie, she's hilarious.. I love her. like legit. When she said, I just don't know who to choose. I think I need to go to the doctor for chronic. So I got I got a little tight with her. I got a little tight with her because I was like, big girl like makeake a fuckking choice. likeike You didn't know what choice you wanted to make too. Like she was She was like leaning to she the whole time and then she kept saying like this whole like But Jimmy but Jimmy And that's why I was so glad it was like, I like her. I'm not going match with her. I like her like Yeah you know? If Jimmy didn't leave, who do you think should' have gone with? It a shame. She She just didn't want to like she didn't want to Jimyself. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, Was anyone like in Jimmy's ear being like, Yo, man, you should bow out or did Jimmy do that on his own? M, that was all him. It was fast. I respect it. me too. It was not fast But all night. Stayed out all night. Did it? Yes. there's actually a It felt like a switch flip. That's what I saw, but yeah, I guess it wasn't. I don't know. just I'm just reliving that moment and how it played out. and it was like it looked like we was all trying to give advice like It might have looked like that. We was just damed pressing him like Bro Likeither figo sit out, like go get your girl. or stand on whatever the fuck you're saying, like But He had to leave, I guess There could only be one Jimmy in the house. Yeah, you got me fucked up, bro. I'm sorry. Like what? Well, a lot of people are speculating, Jimmy that you still might be with Alice and. obbviously we'll find out at the finale if you guys end up together, but Sips coffee. Yeah, peopleeople are suggesting that maybe st together because like you were you were plugging your girls well, I don't know if she's your girl, but like at least your former girl or your girl musicash music on your Oh yeah, that played well, right? I like that. I'm just like wondering if that was like a deliberate Easter egg Or were you just like was that just like an accident N, definitely not accident. okay. Yeah, that's my dog. She held me down. I'm to hold her down and u Only time would tell, I guess. I mean, you beat bucks on her legs, so. Bro. What the fuck do I be doing sometime? Was that one of those like, I forgot I was on camera kind of things There's no music, like you have to entertain yourself. like there's no TV, there's no sports to watch. So I'd just be fucking around like entertaining myself. and I can only just like rot the ool bed for so long. Didn't you post a video in the Villa Yeah with Eson. Yeah, we get our phone for an hour in the day if we woke up super early and Lord knows I was up early because I had to check like the NB season just started and the Bowlls were five z So I was ded And like Chaceie Billips, Terrororss are all got arrested. yall probably don't care about this. I remember. Like it was a whole like NBA gambling scandal. So I needed my phone an hour a day stay locked How was the kissing challenge for you? Was that fun? like, o I get to kiss ten girls or were you No it wasn of that. It was fun because it was fun. We finally got some music. so we had these noise canceling headphones on. so like they were playing jams. and whoever was on ax to this day, I still don't know. thank you. What was the music? was It it was versatile. It was playing like like thrbacks then all of sudden be like future And it'd be like the type shit future. Like with playboy Cardi and Drake. so it was just like scratch yours, donon't you think? Like that feels Thats like that That's what I said is important. I had I had somebody who was a damn good kisser when the weekend was playing. And it was a moment. It was special It's like a movie's a trash. Yeah. Yeah. But then there were some songs that like that's actually so true because there was somebody that I I didn't enjoy the kiss with and I gave him a score of a point one The music might have also lended itself to whatever vibe was there lack thereof. making out to someone listening to metallica Yeah, But also like they're listening, arere they listening to the same music that you are too? Or could it be like off sing So like they there're slow kissing, but you're also like doing it faster, you know what I mean? I don't know. Iagine listen to like techn, likes like one hundred fifty BPM the other person got on like some smooth jazz Right sabotage. That a different vibe. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, I have to say though, Chris, right? Our guy with the he was Yeah or r my b No, no, I'm not gonna say. Oh I would have fll for it. I would have like the hand hold and the hand kisses, I would have been like the hand. Oh really? Oh yeah. Like I think it's funny. I would have felt I would have ate that shit up. I would have been like, this is my kind of man. Yeah kills me. Well, speaking of Chris, Jimmy, I'm curious Since you're the guy who doesn't want to go that deep on a first date, how do you feel about Chris giving a luxury wallet on the first day to a girl He still ow me one.. Good answer. That's Chris, Bro. That's just Chris. And not McKenzie being like, I feel like a hooker. Yeah, Bro. I don't know. And then the whole arm kiss the thing, like before the cameras were rolling, like as soon as we cut, The girls were like, somebody was kissing arms. Somebody Sbody said Yeah. ' somebody said it was Chris me and Damari got on his ass. I nameam refell a little b. Don't yuck my yum y'all, you know? I'm not yuckking. Yeah That's my yum. I feel like it's fine that you did that. It's just funny that he did it specifically in the kissing challenge when he's kissing ten girls in a row. It's like first I want to be intimate. I'm like, that's some one on one day It's hot. we're sweating, like you probably it's salty'. Yeah, that's fair. have Do you have a bedroom move that's like your like secret go to Re when the w is over I'm I'm very chill Ill put the weekend on. I light a candle. Are you on thatn's planing? And. you through it. No, I don't know. I just Wait I like that whole thing to be very organic. Wait, going back to MackKenzie. I feel like I saw a lot of MackKenzie being like, I need to talk to Jimmy, I need to talk to Jimmy, but I never really saw her talking to you. Like did you know that she was pining after you? That she came out of left field, bro. That actually came out of nowhere when she was like I'm actually really I've been really interested in you And I was like Whoa, like, especially after I just had to kind of tell Kat like it wasn't going happen and Cany just shot her shot last second. L that was Like I'm a basketball player. so like I was a full courseore side. know, We'toot those sideides. Those are grenades. Were there any connections, Jimmy of people who like never really got together, but you always thought like they might have made a perfect match. Damnu Demari and Kayla Yeah. When he said, I like braces and glasses and she goes, pervert. I love that I didn't see it that far. Oh yeah Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that landed the way he thought it might. You know who I have a lot of respect for is Cass. She don't give a fuck. We had one of the craziest conversations ever that didn't make air. It was the night before and I hadn't talked to her and she was like, why haven't talk to you like, canan I play for a chat the whole song and dance? And I'm like in the pool swimming. I was like, can of stay in the water? I don't really want to do this, but like, whatever, we'll do this offff rip. she's like, I don't like guys with cats and I don't like guys who don't let me eat their buttts. what Oh my. I was like ye, I respect it. I respect it. saying? I was like Yo, good for you, Shorty. Like it ain't gonna be me, but like, hell yeah. And then listen to this, listen to this. Dave Hungryass was eating cheese, right? And he was like Iam away and then there's someone I'm eating cheese or somebody eating cheese and I thought he said eating cheeks And I was like, oh, y'all just talk to cast too. It was like, huh? Match I like, Oh, that's expose her. whole time. She said it on cameraas. so I' like Yeah ye game. That shit was jokes. She's from Love Island, B. Everyone has her thing, man. She has full blown conversations with her That's crazy. No, K keep them on the same page. It's veryy entertaining. Keep them on the same page. J on the same W This conversation's gone in an awesome way. Sorry No, no, we love. Obviously, you have been known on TikTok for How long I mean, like COVID twenty twenty. Yeah. It's when you popped off. Yeah. What were you doing that made you pop off? Basketball videos gonna start off. That'll do it. Yeah.'ll do it. And littleittle did I know how slippy of a slope that would be. How did your coach feel about you becoming a TikTok? Dude, while also a basketball player. So check it out Do you know Adrian Nunez is? he played at Michigan? He's a country singer now. He's a TikTok star. He and I blew up at the same time. We were kind of like the TikTok basketball boys, right? His coach Joan Howard was like, you're bad for the team. This is a distraction in the locker room. like what do you think you're doing? My coach saw kind of like what it could lend itself to And then the first ever brand deal I did was with Adidas and we're at Nike schoolchool sponsored by LeBron So I had to go to my compliance office like Yo, can I do this shit? L? and I O just passed So we're all start learning. And then he was like If Nike doesn't want you to do it, they have to pay you more not to do it. And I was like So we all were like, Ohh shit there's a leverage battle here. like, Oh, there might be some real cheddar in this game. So he was like Ke doing your thing. I don't know what you're doing. I don't really get it. I don't really care to know just like Keep doing your thing flags to him. Yeah. so shout out hope. Were your teammates kind of the same way? They were I didn't realize that at the time, but like I didn't even know we didn't know what like, clout chasing was or like ore fararming or none of that, but like We all knew that if you did a video on my TikTok, everybody was going to get followers and like DMs was going bust, like So we was just all just after practice, everybody like, yo, we think gotta do the dance train, whatever. And you had everybody taking their shirts off I mean, it's a basketball locker room. so it was just like The shirts were off. The shirts were off Do I have to follow? No But genuinely like, I did not know how slippery a slope that would be deeveloping like a cheat code system like a hack where I would post a brand deal because the algorithm dis inccentivizes brand de thirst trap immediately after and the views from thatight would trickle into the brandles. Everybody would be happy do this for like game you' like two years straight just like not even realizing that I'm just like, further perpetuating disli I think sexualization of myself and objectifying myself to the internet. Good problem, I guess, for show, but like devaluing like what I have to actually say. Yeah. So did that ever get in the way of dating like you having your TikTok following? Oh yeah, yeah, for sure in a number of different ways. It was first the first me my first girl broke up because she basically gave me anlnatative onm like It's either me or the social media. wow. I'm like, you see what this shit is doing for me likeike whyy would I? I was like, I got to play we played UCLA at rock and Mortgage in Cleveland And I was like, I'll come home and I'll let you know And I came home and all her bags already packed. I was like, you already know what She already knew I was going toide. Yeah. I mean you had to. Are there any TikTok dances you've done that you regret? Brother. more than I'm proud to admit. Like damn near all like I mean, it worked out, right? But ike it was the thing, Like we was doing that little dolph the shit.. There was so many just like fake freaky dances that like it's just a dance. likeike, no, was that was freaked out. Like that was why. What is your biggest dating ick, Jimmy? My biggest dating ick? Yeah. L what is Oh girls that think they're funny by like talalking sit You know I'm saying? they' like bit or they're like poke fun or like They're like, u Dprecative, I guess. T you or to themselves. To me. Yeah.'s like, why are you wearing that or like like that. That shit gets me so mad. Like so you're a TikTker, Like why are you saying like that God damnt hurt I make TikToks, I don't like that Yeah. I think it's like cute. It's like flirty is not Mm He said it. and as meet That's a good one. Some people like that little banter. Some people like it So obviously can't disclose whether you're with Allison or not, but like you are like you're Gen Z, yeah? Yeah. Are you big on like we're exclusive, but not dating? Are people your age being like, willill you be my boyfriend or girlfriend? How are you defining a relationship in twenty twenty six Um, I respect everybody's wishes and boundaries, but me personally, like I genuinely could care less about a title. L I could go my entire life and Marry somebody and be straight as long as you and I know what the deal is, as long as we're communicative and like we understand where our boundaries lie and like what we're about Me personally, I don't really care for like All the titles and shit But I understand that like doing those things helps of like security and like belonging in the relationship So I'm willing to like, I'll do whatever the fuck makes both of us happy, I guess.. you way to look at it in respect. As long as I just seem huge on like Communication and boundaries. So like if you want to, if you want to say you're I'm your boyfriend, cool. that's that's what you need to feel secure inness to make this exclusive U I'm also I'm a huge on loyalty too so. Are your parents still together? Yeah. o. ye So you've seen that representation. Yeah, they've been together for thirty years. And also my my auntie and uncle have been locked in for thirty years and they never got married. Wow Yeah. And like they embody what I want in a relationship so much where like we'll be on like a like family vacation, like everybody's cousins go likeike they're like we're gonna go take the J jkys. We'll y' later atinner sh. we don't see them the whole day