Unpacking the Relationship Betrayal

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And so of course that's when like sh. you said that like I was like, yo, I gotta have some fun to do. You went to Vegas. And I would be so pissed he went to gamble. had monster trucks. He went to a monster truck convention. Yeah. Yeah. Now you went to strip cllub for three nights in her way. Yeah. Yeah. whoa, just kidding to all of those. No he had some work stuff he had to do and he went away for three days. and I like texted my doctor and'm I try not to abuse my right of having her phone You know Yeah, because that's the special privilege that I know what it is. Personal life boundaries tootally. And I'm always like, Hey, I'm so sorry. I really hope you're doing well and you're so beautiful and you're so kind And like take your time, takeake your time. pressure No this is like a Friday afternoon. I feel so bad it was a Friday afternoon Yeah. And so I texted her and I'm like, hey prettyretty intense pelvis, I assume pelvis pain, not quite sure. It's like really hard for me to walk. Let me know like is this just a twin thing? Yeah Siley emoji. Yeah She responds with Please head into the office or head to Cedar. You could be in preterm labor And Nick was my own business? No, and Nick was a w owned business. I was out of state out of st Well he was playing Madden actually, let's be honest. He was at the time I was in between. I got my work done. Work was done. Work was done.. You got your homework. I got my homework. You got video. got It was Friday afternoon. Yeah. mightight have been the gaming. Yeah. And so I call Nick and I'm like, oh my God. This is what's happening. He's like, Well, you got to go You got to go and and honestly do the office over the hospital. I'm like you're right that the hospital feels like a lot. Yeah So I thank God, Genevieve. was Thanks God. Genv I had just laid River downown for her nap. Geneovve was helping me put together like the bassinet and the baby bath. She, you know, because I was like, babes, I can't walk. I need your help. So she was helping me and then I'm like I have to go. I need to leave right now. So thank God she was there I go And to see my doctor, I get did you ober? No, I drove. You droveve. And I go to see my doctor and it's like, oh no, just tyypical twin stuff. Yeah Nothing be worried about hang in there, hang in there. Do it just lay down as much as you can. Is it crazy during pregnancy that's so much you're like Oh, this could either be nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, or completely normal. No, literally. What is the stasis in your body during those moments? Like last night was me sobbing, crying. Yeah. pacing around the room and Nick being like, can I Wanna put your feet up? You wna It's really tough. I mean, honestly, I really feel for me Hestly Honestly, I really feel for me too. It's a very helpless feeling. Honestly, knowing that your wife is an incredibly excruciating uncomfortable pain. And you you want to be able to do something and you're just like, We feel so bad for you. I feel very helpless. I feel you're really strong. Yeah brave. A lot of braves should talk about how hard pregnancy is. Yeah. No one was. No one was asking me how I was doing Yeah, true. You sound like an ex of mine. You're like, I think I've heard this You truly feel like a piece of shit. you're like Can I do anything? She's just like crying in pain, just like just trying to do anything, anything. You want to like lay down and like I feel Like I'm drowning when I'm laying down because the pressure is so heavy and like It's just a lot guys. it's a lot. Yeah. J go play Maden You know? Why don't you go to Vegas? Why don't you take a little trip to relax and chill out? You should. Well I was I mean, listen, I a massage I was like on standby. She was at the doctor's office and I was you were ready. You were in the middle of a game. Yeahep. And I called them Fourth yard line, baby. No, no, no. listen. I called them and I'm like, hey, this is what's going on. like this is what happened, you know, this is what she said And then he goes, you gott to be fucking kidding me. And I'm like Yeah, I know, right? Wait. What? He's like, oh sorry something with Madden. I' like And I ph I was like this could go with what I'm saying, but also he was really passionate about it I feel like it was the game. Yeah Yeah Damn. Anyways, we have a great episode lined up for you quick quickly, quick, quickly lots going on obviously in the world of summer House, West and Amanda W They have been in Italy, apparently not just to get away It does make more sense that maybe they were there for a wedding. Yeah Yeah. Anyways, they went to said wedding. The fans are I don't know, has sleuthing gone too far. lots to get into also have the cast of Love Island has been revealed It premieres tonight We're very excited to talk about, obviously we're beginning into episode One of Love Island with the very talented Hunter Harris, who was the journalist who interviewed Sierra. The glamor Mag is a glamorag Yeah's. The same day that West and Amanda went to the Yankees game. She's also a big Love Island fan so she'll be with us on Thursday's episode to talk about partart two of the reunion and the premiere of Love Island. Lots to get into. We willll be breaking down the cast photos with Anna Cono. But before we do, don't forget that Viofiles pllus is available. It's ad free. It's Rockin and Rllin. All your favorite Vio Files episodes add free pllus your reality recap deep dives where we get into now that obviously with Love Island starting eisode every day. We are really going to be breaking it down. getting into the weeds of all things Love Island, obviously Summer House and some of your other shows. Mbe the Valley, you know when we have time to watch it. Today we have the very hilarious Anna cononkol with us. You guys, you know her, you love her and she is with us and she iss watching at Rhode Island. She's watching Summer House and she's a big fan of Love Island. So we'll be talking about all those things with Anna Conle Also, Taylor Anne Green formerly of Summer Charm.. Recently popped off on Instagram friendriend of showell G great marchch by the way She apparently has ended a relationship G. Gust on. Oh yes. W very gusted on If you know what I'm saying? Yeah you went very pleased like Geston. No one's ever really liked a Geston Yeah. you know, everver since Beauty and the beast. Yeah. he ate all those raw eggs. That always grossed me out. I've done that. Yeah, I know, but he didn't have to make a whole song about it. They were raw Yeah, he's like when I was a child five twve Dozen. And then you see them crack. Yeah. Anyways, a lot of rumors on the street saying that she's back with Cep Is she dating Cep? I don't know what's going on? So we reached out to Taylor. The rumors are that she filmed a scene with Cep. So even more spicy. Is she coming back? started coming back food. We reached out to Taylor. and I think she'll be joining us to get Lee inside scoop So that should be fun, a little messy Also, don't forget that I launch a subseack. I put out the first episode. We, the team, We It's a collaborative effort. firstirst article? Article article you have to read Anyways, it was a little bit more like why I decided to write it, what I want to focus on. Obviously a lot of it will be very like you know, Vial files coded, very much relationship focused and things like that. will'll obviously talk about these shows U it as a segue, but it's a space where I feel like I can get a little bit more nuanced. The essay I'm putting out, I did a little preview for, but it's what I hope my daughterers learned from this commanda And now that I have I'm about to be a father of three daughters, now when I'm thinking every time like someone calls in for As Nic and things like that and it's often women asking for advice, I'm always thinking about man, what But I actually would tell my daughters. because you know time flies, as they say, and before you know it, I am probably going to be having these conversations with my children. And I think that's going to hit a little bit differently. So anyways, I was thinking about that wrote this essay. I hope you guys really enjoyed it. I think I think you will. And so that will come out on Wednesday. So subscribe, join. I hope that you like it. 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When your name got mentioned as someone who we could possibly get on the show, there was a lot of, oh my God. There was a lot of hoot and Holl right. There was a lot of very very big pine lovers say me. No. So you are among friends, Anna. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. Well, we are excited, obviously, because before we started talking, you mentioned how you are like us, big reality TV, specifically Bravo fans. It's always fun to have people we love love the same things as us. So we're really excited to get into it all with you It's a fruitful moment right now, so I'm very honored that I get to talk about, you know all the crazyiness. It really is a fruitful moment. Obviously we have the summer house of it all. We have Love Island that's about to kick off. And then you know, you have all these shows on realing to be great. I'm trying to find a Rhode Islande Is goosh. Wild night. Wild n You wantan to start with Love Isolland? Do you want to start with the cast photos that have been released? The cast photos. Yeah First things first, everyone's hot. Of course. Everyone's really good looking. Let me just throw. Anna, how long have you been a Love Island USA fan? Are you like a season six person like us for like this is honestly like the third season of Love Island USA or you really are you really an OG? Well, I started in the UK. Yeah Yeah I've been watching for for a decade And and was and was late to getting into, you know the US. version for a while. I was like Snobb be about and like, no, I'm not going to watch that one. It's not the real But now I'm into it and it's great and cheers to all the young hot people. Do you feel like as someone who's watched the old versions or the OG UK versions, do you feel like UK is still supreme? Do you feel like the USA has caught up and their're equal? or do you feel like USA has even maybe even surpassed it? Where do you stand how they compete Great questions I think like all reality, the first seasons when no one knows the roules are best and they're the most unpredictable and mundane, but also get to really operatic highs. So and there's like a little bit of camp just because it's older and it's like a bit of a different generation. So the tits are higher, the tans are, you know more intense. like everything's a little different. and I love that. I could watch that. for days, you know, when it's not of the moment, that's exciting to me. But it's catching up.'s it's different, but it's catching up, I think They just announced for this season of USA that they're freezing all Instagram accounts. It seems like the UK had been doing that. Well the USA is doing that because last season, I don't know how much you were following like cast in their social accounts, but like very quickly the plan was for the the they would go in and they would like designate their best friend, quote unquote, best friend someone they thought could It was like a, hopefully, you're my best friend, but I know you're really good at social media. And then that turned into someone really good at social media and it felt like less of their best friend because it it felt like a lot of self promoting Like we were getting to know these people's friends who were managing the account. It became this kind of very weird social experiment. And then yeah, And then you're like getting to know, quote unquote, these people outside of the villa and people are speaking on their behalf and causing drama and fighting with fans. It was just a whole mess. And it's already like as difficult it is for these cast members. L going on a reality TV show is one thing becoming like an overnight like sensation or villain or whatever it is, but like for them Most reality TV stars have this like period's like, you know as Susie, you know and the Bachelor, you film it, that's always crazy. Filming these reality TV shows. It's tough on your mentals, right? And then but at least you you leave the bubble and you go back to your family and it's like this quiet time usually. you can kind of go back to your roots. No one really knows who you are. And then there's the whole airing of the season, which is its own monster, but at least you've been kind of prepared. Well the loveove Island people It's all one. It is the most like insane thing to me that these people go from intense experience of filming to like haaving the whole world have these incredibly strong opinions of them Um So I'm just glad that like they're doing whatever they can do to at least alleviate that because like it was never a good thing to have your friends or your're like someone, you know, someomeone you kn for a couple months manage your social media. Well, it's also like you're mad at them one episode and I'm people go and comment, you know terrible things and then by the time they leave the villa, they're like, Ohh wait, actually we love you. But we did comment some bad things under this photos so just disregard all that. Now no one can do anything. how it's just anonyous There's a very young audience and I think sometimes you're looking online and you're responding to people and you're like, they probably are fifteen years old. It reminds me of like, I just think of like when you're saying fifteen, I think about like Love Island is like so specifically Colors and stuff and all of this stuff is like made for middle school.rillies. And then it's just like so, so horny. But then you have these kids just commenting online and I'm just thinking of like I had Love Island when I was like thirteen. I also would have been like freaking out and crashing out online. We I had Bad Girls Club. I had, you know, love and hip hop. but like I also didn't have social media to where I could go and But I definitely was watching things at a way too young of age that I should have been. It still reminds me of the story when I was on the Bachelor and I wouldn't block a lot of people, but I block some people. And then like five years later, someone like sent me a tweet and said, Nick, can you unblock me in Instagram? I amm sorry for calling you a blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. But in my defense, whoa, I was twelve A the time. And And it was pretty funny. And it was a good, honestly teaching moment for me because it's like you just really don't know who these people are. And here was this person like five, seven years later, you know, realizing that like you know, maybe we interviewed a guest that she liked or whatever and then real she probably forgot I blocked her. you know, and then noticed I was blocked and then realized like why Yeah and kind of called ourself out. But it was like a very good moment for me to realize you just never really know who Bar triggered by twelve year D it right No It's be the name of my memoir. Yeah. Speaking of memoirs, Anna, you got one. Oh, that was there you it, right? I do. Tell us a little bit about the book, Anna, like what was that experience writing it? Oh my God, it took me so long. It took four or five years. We were at the very end of editing Pen fifteen, the final season and Um, I yeah, but I had a bunch of dramatic stuff happen that year in my personal life and like just wanted to write about it. And then it took me for yeah, four to five years to I don't want to do the exact math because it's too humbling. it might end up being six. But yeah, was it was everything you'd think, it was like bizarre and a little lonely writing in a room and for so long and also like really cathartic And it's essentially about like a dysfunctional upbringing in the nineties on the East Coast. And me, the delusional girl trying to like keep my parents together and failing And And then also my relationship with my dad, which was very eventful and who's my best friend when I was a kid and we were estrange for about five years in my twenties. So it sort of swings from funny to to kind of brutal and raw I imagine writing it was somewhat almost therapeutic or was it like Did it feel like therapy a little bit since you went so kind of you lean into vulnerability and really explored, you know, like so much of when I got en therapy was just unpacking childhood trauma and just kind of listening to you describe the book. Yeah. It seems like there's a lot there that you had to reflect on. Yeah. And in fact, my therapist said she was when I told her I was going to write it, she said, you know It's going to be very healing. I've had other clients write it sort of intimidating. and write memoirs but it did end up being that. And you know, when you're editing like a traumatic event for the fiftieth time. It's just, you know, it becomes more You know, things you have memories that live in the shadows. And when you just keep looking at them and looking at them and looking at them, they just get less scary. And that is kind of That is kind of what happened, I think also coming off of Pen fifteen and writing about middle school in an authentic way was another form of therapy where like You know, it was it was has anyone done EMDR therapy Yeah. Yeah, you know, where you're like a picture yourself as a little kid and what you're scared and like older you is coming and telling the adult is saying like, you're well, I'm here for you, whatever. Penn was like a thirteen million dollars version of that where we're writing ourselves as thirteen and then in our thirties and then playing thirteen year olds. And so at the end of That whole thing, I was like, oh my God, Hulu gave us like the most expensive therapy ever without realizing it So it's all been surprisingly Because it feels masochistic in the moment You know, but it's all been, I think I'm better for it, which is good I feel like watching like I love Pen fifteen so much because of like I feel like that feeling is so transferable of like when you're watching it and you're just experiencing this like visceral feeling of being like, I wasn't a middle schooler in the nineties, but it's like just that universal feeling of Just that girlhood then and like with your friendships and Great Have you ever guys ever met the person who said they had a blast in middle school? Yeah, I don't know her.. I don't know her either. L Was it horrible for everybody? Her name was Amanda Patulo. Honestly, that would track.. wouldould it not It's hard because it seems now uncool for an adult to be like, I actually had a good time because there's now this sort of accepted. So it's hard to know But it does feel like, you know, the people U I won't say they their're real names, but like, you know, the kids that you remember from middle school where you say both their first and last name because they were that cool or they're the biggest you know, not cool. and then you also say their first and last name U But, you know, it seems like they're having the perfect time and that they're like the most well adjusted and, you know, all as well. And you know, even they are like the right thing wasn't growing at the right time. I am anyway. I am so curious because like in your book, you recall all these memories from your childhood, even like full conversations that you had How were you able to remember all of those? Do you just have an incredible memory bank? I think like I've realized through promoting Pen, that that was unusual because Ma and I would get asked a lot like you have journals or ' a lot of it was also, you know, I'd write a scene that was pitched in the writer's room and Ma would be like, this is not how it happened. He said this and she said this. And so we kind of discovered that we did. and I read an article like a few months ago about emotional memory, and it was these two sisters and they had lost a friend from high school who had passed away. They hadn't seen her in like over a decade. And one of the sisters was devastated and the other Well, I don't remember her that well. like it's not affecting me on that level. And anyway, they went into the neuroscience of emotional memory and how people with like really vivid emotional memory and more anxiety have more anxiety and depression That would That would check out for me.. Yeah, me too Yeah, I like that n tr. Yeah sure. But there's not everybody, you know. So it's interesting. That is interesting. Yeah G good if you don't. And for all the dyslexic people out there have a hard time reading, is this something they can also, is there a book on tape? Did you read it? Is it your voice? It is. And went I went really I loved books on tape As we called them, I'm thirty nine When I was a kid and I loved the narrators who would do all the voices. So the audiobook is a little unhinged because I'm doing for you. I went hard. Yeah. That's awesome. What's your favorite voice you did? I mean, it's gonna to make me sound insane, but like I did my dad who was like down here, he spoke really deep Oh that's coolool. I love that. You guys are like, Uh huh? No. As someone who who read their own book and who can't read well, I'm jealous of your not only ability, but confidence in doing that. I think it's really cool. And definitely and it definitely makes for a better listen. Yeah. I mean, it's a long time in a small dark room, you know Yeah And it makes for a better listen. It makes it more fun. and it's like something that I just didn't have the skill set when I did it. I was just trying to get through a sentence at a time. I mean me too, by the way, but I was also trying to entertain myself How many days did it take you to record? Yeah, same. same. They kept adding extra days. So's a lot of apologizing to the editor who was doing it with me when it was like five minutes, I was stuck on one sentence. I'm like, I promise you, I'm not that bad at reading, but I'm just like, really my brain I want to get it right. Yeah. It's really nerve wracking. It's very humbling,es, yes. It is. I concur. And is it out? Is it pre order? where we in the is it available for anyone Aol's out It's out. Yeah. So go buy it, people. Books arent like go to your audible. goo to your anywhere you buy books. you guys know. On your Kindle? On your Kindle. I have a question though Between that and pen fifteen any other stories left in you like do is there is there more to come? because I feel like you really like You really m your. Giv it us a lot. I'm like, is there more in there? Not much. Honestly, I'm like so tired of myself also. Yeah I'm like why do I could have like just, you know written this book as though it was fiction. You know, whyy did I have to That's sort of been the thing that's occurred to me. Yeah. L writers write about their real life all the time But they don't say it's theirs. I'm like, okay, well that will be that'll be next. I have to live more life before I write about my life. I about to say, you're also still so young. So at like seventy, you can write another about the last few years. let us know how that's all it. Yeah yeah. That's what's scary about, you know, writing a memoir before forty is like Every year that that's part of the reason it took so long because I was changing and my perspective on my father was changing and my perspective on what I was talking about in therapy was changing. So that is the intimidating thing of like When I'm sixty, I'm probably gonna to like want to burn all the copies, you know? What do you hope readers like take from your book, the same one? Well, memoirs are really important For me in realizing how many secrets I had in my family walls that I just felt like untellable and like I'd be burned at the stake, you know, this idea that like dysfunction is singular to one family and everyone else is not going through it. And reading David Sederis and reading like car and you know, Jeanette Walls and Augustine Burros and all these memoirs that are like tragic and so funny was a revelation for me. It was freedom. I was like, okay, not only are they okay because they went through you know, a crazy time that they're being honest about, but they're also making it funny and they're alive and they wrote a fucking book. like that's so cool. So it was a real I think that's partly why we wrote pen fifteen. It sort of started to be like you know, carrying your own torch for yourself and your stories, whether they're shameful. and I've found that I really like writing about shame. And it's sort of cyclical when you know people come up to me, they're like, I thought I was alone in that. and the writer and me is like, I thought I was alone in that, you know? And so it's been a very cathartic circle and I also have a dark sense of humor and I like laughing at sad shit. So it's been a way to do that. Where does your fascination with shame come from? I was raised very Catholic, so shame was very prevalent. U an interesteresting one. Yeah Yes. well, like many generations of my family are also Catholic. My mom was raised very Catholic and We move from I grew up Unitarian, so very actively. trying to push away shame and talk to spirit and everything's acceptable, non denominational, but like We moved to an Irish Catholic town in Massachusetts when I was pretty young. And like, yeah, my parents just fought all the time, very funny people characters, but like the veil of kind of perfection was around us and you show up every day like you know, everything's fine with a big smile while the tears, you know just like wiping away the tears. And inside the house, my mom was like, you know, working three jobs and somehow having the energy to like yell at my dad all night and he would leave and I would be the sort of like parentified taking care of mom Um, thing and so it just sort of And also when you grew up in a house where like your're any little thing can start a fight, like we, you know, or You're always watching your parents, you're watching your own self. And so I think it created this narrative for me of like, I'm sort of bad and I'm creating all this shit that's happening around me all the time. And it's my responsibility to fix it And it took me till my twenties to start sort of unpacking that when I fell in love for the first time and thought I had like left the baggage at home And then realize like, oh no, I have a fucked up relationship too. you know, And I this is all in me too. And that was sort of, yeah. Oh, that actually left the house with me, interestnteresting. relelatable. Very relatable. Yeah. Cheers. I woered you think because I think about I also grew up my des past So I grew up like religious with like shame is an interesting thing. I and and watching like somewherehouse specific like I just think of it in watching Bravo right now, of like I do think like the humor that you're talking about with like comes from that is so specific of that campiness and also people just being so vulnerable. And it's also, I mean, it makes me think of hacks, which like you had a great role and hacks this season U they' just like the interconnectedness between like shame and also humor, which I think happens totally on all of these shows You know Yeah. I agree with that. Shame and humor really go hand in hand. But it's not everybody's taste, you know? It's But like so many people with Pen have been like, I couldn't watch it. I can't watch. it makes me feel too uncomfortable. But for me, Comedy is like the comeback. Comedy is ye, you know, strangers with candy, like it goes hand in hand with like someone that's actually full of low self esteem and posing. L they're the opposite. That's my favorite thing and that I think that is part of why I love reality. like That's not throughout everybody, but the best characters and the best people that are the most vulnerable like that ends up being threaded in there. And it's so exciting to me. And sad There you go. Yeah. That's so fair. Anna, what are your thoughts on the whole scandal? L, you know, we are we just got done with the reunion partart one, we have two left. G me your overall takes on on the Sanda scandal and where do you what are the topics that are most fascinating to you on these in the layers that is Camanda It's intimidating to talk about this because it feels really important but I love how you guys talk about things from a psychological standpoint because that's what I like to do I mean, to say you're not teeam Sierra would be wild. likeike I don't think there's another team really. like she's amazing. I was just at the Culture Awards. She looked Incredible She was in Mia, they were it was it was like it was they seemed like just lovely. But so at first I was disheartened to see likeike how villainy Amanda and was coming through, like and the sort of Just stoic Hm vitel kind of, if I'm being honest, that was like sort of emanating. And I had trouble getting that. I was surprised by that and I'm surprised by like how because what we know of her is to just speak vulnerably and to take accountability and almost be too apologetic And so that was strange to me. but I'm doing a big zoom out here, and it's reminding me of Dorite and Kyle And this is going real deep here. But I have a theory that these women have been humiliated on television by their male significant others for so long. and then that breaks apart And what's left is These women saying like, I will not be embarrassed anymore. I will not be humiliated anymore. I found my voice but it's then applied to each other the two old friends. Yeah. instead of this like bigger realization that like they're not the only enemy here. There's a there's a bigger picture happening and then the fans get behind just I'm team me I'm teams here and it's like Let's look at the bigger picture. So's that's my two sentence on the whole thing. That's really fascinating. And you mentioned fans too because like when it comes to reality TV people, like talk about like high school or middle school. It's like being the friend, quote unquote friend, where you're like, I'm your friend and you go like, you know, so and so saying this about you. You try to convince, you know, your friend that everyone else hates them that everyone else is talking shit because that makes you the best friend because they want to keep themselves engaged. Our brain prefers pain to boredom And I'm always reminded of that. Yeah. That's interesting. Well, and it also like in terms of the middle school analogy, because you're talking about something we spoke about a lot in creating the Becca character who's in every middle school, she's the popular girl who's kind of funny But like maybe like it doesn't totally fit in in all the ways of the popular crowd, but does through instigating and going back and forth between groups and being like, I heard this, I heard this And what's interesting is if we're like relating the audience to Becca It's someone that's inserting themselves into the stories to be part of those stories. Yeah So like the audience being like or the super fan being like in their mind, like, I'm relevant to the story or I'm relevant. I'm on this show I feel like is a part of it. What did you think, Anna about Amanda saying that the first time West and Amanda slept together was post statement? I don't I don't buy it. That's such a bizarre like I was talking to a friend about this. He said it perfectly where he was like So the conversation is Okay, we haven't slept together yet, but we're going to put this statement out in case we do. Let's take it so seriously that we're putting out a statement and then tomorrow we'll sleep together. It just doesn't make it just doesn't It doesn't quite make sense. And it also sounded a little planned. I forget what they said. there's something that they sort of spoke in tandem of like every something and it just yeah, it seemed a little planned, which wouldn't be the first time, right? People are like zooming in on Wes's face whenever she answered that and it was clear that like because she went off script a little bit and his like eyebrows were furowed and everyone's like, he did not know she was gonna say that. Yeah. you know. But maybe it was like after the Super Bowl party or something I don't know. Only if she was wearing a half bone half pony. I haven't been able to stop thinking about the half bone half pony that she was wearing a thir ununion, you guys. Didn't she wear it again in Italy? She wore it in Italy. Yeah. What does that look? She the deal. I'm not I'm so mad at it. Yeah That is kind of cute. I just don't I mean, I absolute it I don't know, it's confusing. I get what you're saying, and I'm the last person to have an opinion on this because what do I know about women's hair? But it seems like a unique hairstyle to like really to double down on like yeah, to be like to feature. Isn't it? Okay in the block on. maybe everyone hear me out. Maybe here's what's going on. Maybe what Amanda is doing is subconsciously, she is feeling like she can't really like fully let herself either the victim she wants to be or the villain everyone thinkinking she is is her hearts and knots and therefore she'sing her. So it's like she has part of it as a bun and the other is still pony. right?' in the in between in this ambiguous gray area and that is fash. I wonder if we'll see a few more of those this summer. Anna, if you were A good friend of Amanda Mhm What would you be trying to say to her in this period right now I would say take accountability and don't be surprised Like she almost seemed taken aback by all the questions. Even if you're not lying about the timeline, yourre kind of like like this is unjust vibe is not called for. Like you lied about stuff. this is you betrayed some people's trust. So expect every question Expect that people aren't going to trust your timeline. Expect that And I I could get from one standpoint her feeling like You know, there's been this insinuation all season that Kyle's been cheating on her for you know, a lot, like in question, right? of like you know, the DM she's been getting and sleeping over a fan's house and whatever. So and when when I try to put myself in her shoes, I'm like maybe she's sitting there just seething that like She made one mistake And he made all of these and she just sat in it and lived in it and he didn't get this sort of you know, line of questioning But I think even if that's what's going on, she needs to just like take it. You know, the first thing that Sierra said to her when Amanda was like, you know, I just want to like apologize to Sierra and Kyle. and she's like, Ohh, you can say our names. And you could tell that that pissed Amanda off And it's like if you would have just been like, yeah, you're right. I should have put your names in the statement. I'm so sorry. likeike I that was my fight. You know, I should have Yeah, but she acted like how dare you call me out for that? Like almost like She was she was like suggesting that Sierra was being petty, but you literally didn't say her name and that had to have been a choice because we know you know her name. And when you're making these statements, they're always like You're talking to your team or a bunch of people who have a million ideas and they dissect everything for the sake of like inserting their opinion in the conversation And even if it was Chat GPT. I feel like Chat would even be like Chat would have been probably to send her name. know That's what Sierra said. Yeah. She said Chat GPT probably would have written that better. Well, and didn't they ask if PR weren't they wasn't didid PR help you or whatever? And it felt like the answer was like no, and I felt like West kind of looked to Amanda like Amandid it it. Did you guys vibe with that? I I said obviously. We were recording an episode and this was before the statement came out and it was we ended up editing most of it out because it was us basically all thinking this was an bad April Fool's joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I read about that. And then like an hour later, I made I was on the phone with some people to like, know, it's true. They're going to release a statement in a couple of days and blah, blah, bl, blah blah. But I had heard that they hired a team together U Which I thought was bizarre. That reminds me of them getting the dressing room together, which I thought was Really bizarre. I actually can't stop thinking about that. And Wesp being like, I'm just like really Z in. I feel pretty good. How going A you? That's just stick. I will say there over the weekend, you know, there're in Italy. we all kind of thought, oh, maybe they ran off for the reunion, you know, It's probably smart. And then every photo we saw, they were just attached to their phones T turnurns out they were there for a wedding, which you know definitely makes a little bit more sense. The internet sleuths have found His friend's wedding website. crazy and saw where it said the deadline to RSVP was and that was february first And they're saying the fact that he put his name, An Amanda's name down before february first proves something. She might have not been the original couple there's definitely gaps first of. Yeah how do we know that? I think we just need to recognize that that's maybe a bridge too far. A million percent it a bridge too far. Yeah you And to then post it and like these are just innocent bystanders. They're just people who like happen to maybe have like gone to high school with West or college with West. West does not strike me as someone who is prompted with the wedding RSVPs. He strikes me as a guy who shows up for a wedding that he didn' ant RSVP. And I only said it as someone who's done that In my single era, I didn't know like the only reason why I've ever RSVP to a wedding is because I had benefit of a partner. I know you're gonna to say dietary restrictions. That would work too though. That would have work too. Also, he wore the hair tie on Watch What happppens liive in March. so that would have been after February. Yeah. So he was dating someone. Oh. Wit. Is it for sure Amanda's name that was on this RSVP or is it JesD RSVP A plus one putut her name which honestly, we don't know if it was him. He could have like texted his friends and been like, Hey, I'm going to bring my like I'm going to bring my friend Amanda. they're like, okay, we gott to like have the name placement. So like what's her last name? And then they put it in. you know Rob and said, Yo, I'm going to bring Amanda. you cool with it? And it was either going to be absolute hard yes. I can't believe it like we want her here or it was going to, you know, it could have been someone who like They the drama. I don't No, they also were constantly hanging out. They were posting on Instagram together. They were clearly like what we all thought just really great friends. So if he was like, Hey, I'm gonna to bring my friend Amanda, like If I'm I'm like, okay, cool, sure yeah, brring your friend Amanda. I don't care. I'm not like assuming that there's going to be drama. But it is crazy. We have to acknowledge that like if you remember from the Si in West relationship, the wedding he brought Sierra to was at the center of that breakup. and like I was talking to a Bravo person last week and we were just having a fan discussion about like, is this bigger or smaller? how does this compare to Scandibal I think Scandibal will always be the biggest and it was obviously it's first and but like I think this one has more layers if for no other reason that it's like still ongoing Like Raquel and Tom that like that seemed to stop and you people were I seem to be able to like get into Raquel's had it and you know, it seems to be like there was conflict in that relationship, But Amanda and West are truly leaning in. They're out there posting. They are going to weddings, you know in the face of Sierra. There is a part of me. I know, I don't know if we're going to see in this next episode or episode three where we've seen the clip of Sierra saying he's only doing it despite me. And I gott to say, the way they are moving I don't know. as a friend, hope that Sierra doesn't care about that and I hope that she doesn't I hope that like because like that just Keeps her stuck They are moving like they are trying to like like like they have something against Sierra in a bizarre way. I I'm not saying they do, but it's it's so Like You couldn't have sat this wedding out. They're being a bit machiavellian with. It's like you you definitely she definitely didn't have to go to this wedding. Whoever took a video of them through a window being intimate. it's too much. like likeike there should honestly laws that protect people from I know aren't there? The rules on like stalking and watching and stuff like that. I like somebody has to physically into your house. I am pretty sure that if there's a perception of privacy like inside your home, that you have a right to privacy. If you're doing something, for example, in public, if you're out at a restaurant and making out, you can assume that you can't be videos becausecause you're in public, but or a baseball game. or b a game. But if you are in your apartment, you have a perceived right of privacy, I'm pretty sure. But is there like protection against it? Like then what? Well, I mean, you know, to your point, who filmed it? Who were they? you know, like, you know, the question is is like how how much effort do Westtern Amanda want to put towards holding someone accountable that they or may not be able to track, you know, like, yeah there's it's like the person who's living in West builduilding being like, Yeahah, I keep seeing like Amanda over and they're kissing in the hall whatever this person said. It's like, you you got to feel like that feels wrong. say that publicly. Yeah. And also that could just be total totally fake. That's the thing is like that is just like truly hearsay. The video That' New York gossip baby. Right. exactly. But it does feel like it's just too much. It's too much. Kyle says he's going to find his voice in the part two of part three., But I think we also just have to reiterate just like how great part one was. And I think I say this because like every you know Oviously, you know, you're fan you've seen these so many reunions, but reunions are hard. All these cast people come in with like a goal or a plan, you know, they certainly want to, you know, have their story or their point of view be the one that's best received. and it's very difficult to do. And we've seen And I thought that was so great about specifically Sierra, but obviously like Mia as well and Kyle, the three of them And we said as much last week, but like usually when they're in when you're in Sierra Mia's position There is always the risk that you overplay your hand R? Because Sierra knows that she has the weight of Bravil behind her, right? Everyone like every like you said, if you're not teeam Sierra, who are. But it's easy to kind of overplay your hand. and what was so amazing about what how they how they showed up for part one and we'll see how the rest goes is that they weren't, you know, they didn't overplay their hand. They had like those quick snappy things, you know, and it all made sense. You know, because the truth is, honestly A more boring version of what Sierra said to Amanda was like Maybe Maybe Amanda and West are just more compatible. Everything Sierra. and Mia and Lindseay like honestly everyone who said anything against Aandon West. Everything they said was so true Yes, it was true, but also like quotable. It was so just like Sierra being like, I mean, I'll figure out the details before I bury them with dirt. Like Chef's kiss, you know? like are you just you left we know your marriage wasn't great, but now you're just one of Westide bit is so great. Yeah. I just never thought that Amanda would be more defensive and seem to be more obtuse than Tom Sandibal was at the reunion for Scandibal. Like that's the biggest shocker for me. that like Tom was actually a little bit more apologetic. And like at least, you know, Tom was more like, I know I fucked up And he was angry about it, but like you don't under you know, and Amanda's more like I literally never did that, you guys. Like I don't know what you're talking about. C God forbid, I just want to spend some time on myself. I just I just I really, I did not expect that Like you said, An, I thought she would just say what she needed to say whether she believed it or not Because the most logical explanation is that she's never been as close with Sierra as they leted us to believe. But really, who cares? because you as a reality TV star, you should know that like even if everything isn't real real, like that's what the audience believes and this is your job. So why are all of a sudden youre try to almost gaslight the audience in a way that you haven't explained yourself. and it kind of makes noense That's the only logical explanation And even if but it doesn't really matter because clearly Sierra thought you were good friends as evident by the finale episode were like that moment. So like that almost feels ickier that you made someone believe that you were better friends with them and maybe you were more like a coworker esque with them. But that just makes you even more disingenuous if that's the truth I tootally agree with all that. I'm also th this is like a little controversial. but alsoso this thing because you know, and maybe it's the actor me or the writer me, that's like always like interested in the psychology of the villain. But like, you know There is I saw an Instagram thing pop up a few weeks ago where Kyle was like, you guys, thank you so much. You've saved Lover Boy. Like it's it's like all these fans, you know, that are like anti Amanda are like buying his drink now, you know? And it just felt like It's just this black and white thinking back to therapy that like I've worked very hard to get out of that's so obvious through these moments and reunions where it all comes up again, where it's like now there's like this pro Kile thing And it's like it's very easy to see him like that. And he was very like lovely during the reunion. And I was like, oh, Kylie, he's so sweet. And then I'm trying to remind myself like he was kind of like to some extent, a really shitty husband and could be like really out of line. even this season, we saw that And so I don't know, it's not uncommon to see in the zoom out of bravo and reality of like someone's life falling apart, a divorce being vilified by the whole internet and showing up like an asshole to the reunions. I guess is my point. Yeah. And so I don't think we can forget like there the, you know, I don't know. I don't want Kyle to get a pass. And yet I also want to say that like He is It's really shitty what happened to him too It's like not really being talked about as much as Sierra. I don't know. Yeah, I see what everything you're saying. I definitely I think there's more to Kyle than we realize I do think he's been kind of having Amanda's back in ways. I don't think we've fully Heard about o, okay Okay. But I do hope that in part two or in part three He is. ask questions about the way that he behaved this season and the things that he said answers to them. L I do think that still needs to be addressed even though this horrible thing has happened. And that's a good point that I'm forgetting there are other there are other parts. You know what I mean? I think that was Yeahah I know you you have you have to get going. I mean, I don't love Ireland. Everyone's hot. I don't do is there any big fun takeaways from their bios that we are We have we have a sibling We have a sibling. Charlie's brother Charlie's brother. Yeah is Charlies brother. Exactly The one who kind of looks like Charlie, which is interesting because like the women didn't seem to like really be into Charlie. I never understood that. So many people are into Guy's brother though, in general. So you think Zach has the swag may sure What I'm saying is sometimes when there's like a guy and he has a brother You're like, Oh, there's a brother ye, yeah yeah mayaybe that could be this guy. That is one thing. I don't understand. whyy was nobody into Charlie? He seems like such a nice kid. Tu That's why. We met him on the street. outside of Lararchmont. because we interviewed him on the show, but it was it was remote. And then Nally and I ran into him bea He was as lovely and as good looking in person. I don't understand it. And the women did not They were not into him. I don't get it. Anna, what would be what are your top three hopes from the season for the season of Love Island? Oh, That's a great question. I mean, I just learned, so you're saying, sorry I'm playing catch upp. So you're saying that Charlie's brother is going to be on this season. Yeah the originalatchack. He's not even a bombs show. It'd be cool if he was on and then Charlie came back Oo, bring him in. Brother. Yeah. brothers, brrothers fighting. Have we ever had siblings on Love Island? Bro? No, that's a love triangle I want to see. Yeah, I wantanna see that Carie's father as well., I'm just k lookinging him. I' gonna say challengers but actually way l this. I bet their dad's hot. Both. I bet their dad is hot. I want to see a picture of Daddy. Could you get daddy's on love volland Yeah, can we do Golden Island? Golden Love Island Golden style Love Island parenthes Golden Coral and good room. I'm down. Yeah Put in put me in for a producer role. I'd love to be. A broken hip has entered the villa. We do have Sean, who's a police officer and a proud father to a son. Cute. We got a dad. Great smile too. G Great smile. You know, Sincere is a track and field athlete He says he's He says he's cheesy and a chaser. Same. We'll see how well that does for him in the villa. You know what, Th these are just photos. I look forward to getting to know them tonight as they air. And before we let you go, Rhode Island are you as excited and as into it as much as everyone else. How are you feeling about Rhode Island Excellent. I'm loving it. It's the recent episode reminded me of like family fights in the car and then sitting at dinner and like wiping away tears while like you hope your mom stops being angry. When Liz pulled her hair Oh my gos. What in I wouldn't trust you' homeless. It's just crazy. No, but just like just like you said it was a fight that clearly these women were passionate. If you like walked into the scene not knowing what they were fighting about, you could have only imagined what the topic was. But it reminded me of Um When I was an adult And when I was in my mid to late twenties, me and my guy friends had a group of men who got together and had mad in tournaments. and we would draft our players And we would get into it. and it reminded me of this fight I had with my roommate at the time. and we were like literally screaming at each other and I got defensive and he said something about me and I felt he was coming from my character and it was literally over the dumbest fucking shit And then watching this show, it just reminds me what is so relatable about like how when it comes to our close friends or family or siblings the level of intensity we can get over when you remember it back being like The fact they are Joe Ellen and Liz are arguing over some just like random statement Alicia said that really has and somehow some way someone said something where they are both feel like their characters being attacked And it just reminded me of this fight I had with my roommate over Madden which is like so relatable in the best possible way. Like we were just screaming at each other over nothing. Oh yeah, I definitely. And then like Alicia silently crying and like trying to stop cry. It just felt very real. Yeah. justust get her a cracker. Get her cracker. Get her cracker. Get her cracker cracker. Also Alicia seems like I love her friend when her friend was like her family was like, you got a perfect life and she was quick to be like, no, I don't. There's there's no perfect life I have I was like, o, I love that. The other week her pitching pizza mama and she had her little sunglasses on and she had her she had her Eo board up like she was making a second grade presentation and it was the best. What's crazy is we had Liz on a few weeks ago. I think it was around the time that we it was the like castle episode or something. Anyways, and she was like, we're like, we love you. You're so great on the show. And she was like, I don't know. like it might change. She was like plan a couple episodes. She knows She It's a good impression. No, there' no way. And sure enough, watching this episode, I'm like, this was the craziest pulling her hair. pushing her chair and then she goes to meet up with her to apologize. Well to hear Jo Eellen's apology. And she's like the fact that she's gonna to say that I pulled her hair, I'm done. I'm like the replay. Yeah. A they like flashback And it was sneaky. This is like this I don't wantanna put this on her, but like it reminds me of like an old lady that like pinches a baby to make him cry. like It just gave me that vibe where you're like, why is the baby crying all of a sudden? It. I think the great thing about Rhode Island is that it's like they're fighting and I'm like, I'm not worried about any of these girls. Sometimes you watch one housewife take on another and you're like, she is severely emotionally unquipped for this you watch all Except for maybe Ashley, but even Ashley is like's doing a good job of doing her darnness. And they're not like actively coming for her yet so she's okay. But to watch them just like go at each other knowing the other one can probably handle it, hopefully is great. And during all of this, you just have Rich singing Frank Sinatra. Yeah, it's just like ly It was too much. It was way too much. You couldn't script that. No, you couldn't. Can I ask a dorky question? Yeah, please. Ashley. going from one franchise to another. I would think It's got to be jarring. And like how she's approaching the season is really neat. It's kind of like refreshing of just seeing her be like guysuys don't fight and like, She just is coming across very like wholesome in a way that's kind of exciting. But I also wonder That's got to be it because it's just got to be a very different engine, narrative engine, right? Well, actuallyhle, you know, they're dear friends of mine, some of my closest friends. and I remember when she got casted, like she didn't tell me about it. and like in obviously, we cover a lot of Bravo and I've become just very familiar with the differences of what it's expected of its cast So I was a little like Wow You're doing this. like that's crazy. And And then she was like, man, Filmy was great and I love these women. and she had such like a positive experience. but Ashley and Jared are special in a way that they really are kind and wonderful people And I think it's just like and I think with the women we've talked to on this cast I think they've echoed as much. And I think it's just kind of like It's hard to go after people who truly like when you when you sit down with them and you talk with them, just like It's not it's not fun fighting with someone who's just at their core, not confrontational not, you know not You know, just they they'res kind. They're like Jared is just the most affable wonderful, kind person And so is Ashley. Ashley just like sometimes cries a little bit. But like they're just they're good people. I hope that stays consistent into next year. I hope that like It's not like oh, it's second season. it's your turn they've been a great addition and it's been fun to watch them. Well, they have like a real knack It's like sometimes if you're Coming across wholesome and kind, the audience will see it as a lack of vulnerability. But I think what's unique about Ashley and then their relationship is like, it does feel really genuine. And the fact that she is em motive, I think is just like going to make people feel more to her You know what I mean? there have been I mean, I've really enjoyed watching that. And she's really authentic that way. and it's also just kind of interesting because like, you know, now that like the influencer space is something that like is more and more prevalent and we see it, but like we it's still like I think there's a lot of fascination the same way there's fascination with actors, like what's your life really like? And I think influencers are very guarded about like what that reality is. And like I thought it was fun to see Ashley like do an Instagram Totally And kind of give like just like I don't know. J just like the silliness behind it, but also the realism behind it. And I also think it's fascinating that this cast of women I don't know what their actual finances look like, but they present as very financially secure where and Ashley and Jared seem to be doing relative to the average person, just fine, but compared to their peers, It's like you have Ashley, who is the most famous, has the largest fllowing count but relative to her peers seems to live the most modestly. and that's kind of his fascination It's very fascinating how they move within that group because like they're they're both, they have a reason to be cocky and almost like arrogant and yet they're the most humble on the cast, which is kind of interesting. Totally. And also from Ashley at least outside of that Rhode Island like bubble That's true. Yeah. She's like an outsider. But Ashy like you know, over a million like her cast has just started. So you look at their other peers and they got like, you know, fifty thousand, sixty thousand. Ashy's like at one point, whatever million. And and yet when you watch it back She seems like the new person, she seems like the person who is isn't famous in a kind of an ironic fun wayool Thanks for letting me ask. No anytime. Any other questions, comments, anything anything you want to digest before we let you go. This has been so much funna. You got have to come back. This has been a real treat for me. I've been studying for about a decade and to talk about it and on a psychological level has been really an honor. So thank you for having me. An and as far as the reunion partart two or three, if blank doesn't happen, you'll be really disappointed. I mean, if Jesse doesn't get more schooled on if newew or not and if something the timeline, like that will be disappointing because I remember they sort of started to go there and I want to say he was like taking out evidence or something and then I think they got interrupted and he kind of like put it away. Yeah. You know. And I feel for the friends of people doing something scandalous. because You know, that's a hard position to be in, but I selfishly would like to know more about that. Um I'm curious about KJ and his relationship. Oh him and Dara Yeah. and following each Did't drop a music video today with? That was before. Oh Right? No the music video was like three days. The m KJ KJ. I saw this morning. And Dara's in it, they're playing Twister together. Oh yeah. How does Jesse feel about KJ? Are they both musicians now? Well, Jes Jesse is a bit more all law. Reos was a Rhode Island crooner Right? He's doing the more Frankston ura stuff. KJiff lanes. KJ seems a bit more in the hip hops. Can I say I'm missing some of the summer house cast in the city? Like who? Who do you want? Are you watching in the city? Yeah, love in the city. Wait, whoo are you wanting to see in the city? I don't know. All of them. I'm just kind of like, well, where are they? I'm just wondering where they are and what they're doing. Right. They're also in the city. like bring them on page Yeah, ye.s I wouldna know what page is up to and which think. I would love to see Hannah Burner again personally. Yeah controversial. Anna. This has been so much fun. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you? Obviously, you have your memoir? Yes. Everyone, go check out Anna. We're going to put the link in our show description for anyone who's interested in purchasing or listing Anna's book go just go to our show description click on it Easy find there. Anything else for people to follow and enjoy that you're doing, Anna. Thank you for having me. I've had the best time. My Instagram, I just started a substack, which Nick did you too? am I I I do I did also just started a subbsack. Yeah. Suback twins. No, I actually read not to divert, but I read yeah, I saw your post about it and I'm very excited about the psychology behind it. Can we do things together on subseack or something? or are there ways to I would love it. I don't know There's a real overlap between reality and middle school, I think and the psychology of it and my theory that we're all kind of behaving socially from a middle school space at all times. Yeah yeah. And any level, not just in reality, that reality is like the production of it that we watch. Anyway, I digress always. So no, that's it and yeah, watch hacks and all that. So thanks for having me. Anna conle everybody. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. B B So much fun Yeah awesome. guysuys, I cannot begin if you are not caught up on hacks get caught up because Anna Conle isn't There's one episode this season where she pllays like a coordinator and All I'm saying, she's so funny in it. The physical comedy that this girl is doing in the episode is so good. All right, well, we have Taylor Anne Green joining us. She popped off on Instagram last week and gave us a little update on her relationship that sadly is no more. Or maybe it's a great thing. Maybe she's thriving happy and enjoying her best life. But we certainly have some questions for Taylor because some of the streets are saying that maybe there's some Rekindling Maybe she's coming back on. Either way, we'll get some answers Taylor is up next The other day, the sweet man he looked at me and was like, do you speak Spanish? And the immediate just like Failure inside of me was like, no I don't. And you know what I need to. The fact that I don't is crazy. My aunt lives in Spain. She's lived in Spain my whole life My cousins are there. My mom is currently visiting my aunt in Spain. And that is why I have started investing the little free time that I do have into Rosetta Stone. It's always better to to be more well rounded. I mean, like the world is multicultural. 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Give us the tea. First of all, just like walk us through what happened. How long had you Have y' all been together? Had'all been together We were together for almost three years. So like two years, eight months W Well, first of all, how's your heart? I mean, I all all drama aside. that's that cannot this cannot be fun to be to to obviously like Have someone in your life. Obviously, I'm sure it was a very serious relationship. I'm sure you guys talked a lot about your future and It's never fun to feel betrayed by someone you invested so much in. so first off, how are you doing seriously? Yeah, thank you. again, I feel like I always say this, my heart is still beating. I'm still alive and well. and Honestly, I feel a sense of relief I feel very at peace and good with my decision of walking away Did you spend a lot of time and energy in the relationship, like wondering if something was going on, or was this all a total shock to you? This was all a very big shock just because our relationship was so focused around loyalty. and it feels like anyt time that my ex had the chance to bring up like loyalty, respect, trust, honesty, that was what he drilled into our relationship U and coming out of a relationship where I was cheated on and there wasn't loyalty, I valued loyalty the most And I kind of ignored all the other red flags and just honed in and said, all right, well, you know, at least he's not cheating on me. At least he's not going behind my back att least he's not doing something that's gonna to disrespect our relationship And Then I found out that he was doing quite the opposite How did you find out So I I don't know when this all started. My speculation is It allegedly began in October, the end of October Once I started to find out more information But weirdly enough, I was in church and I was just, I mean, Gaston and I have been talking a lot about our the next steps in our relationship, marriage all of those things and I felt like we were just at this I'm going, okay, is this going to be the guy that I' spend the rest of my life with Like make it known if this is not my person. And within an hour, which this is something I never do, I went to go look into my DMs And there was a DM from a burner account that from a while ago U had told me back in February that they saw My ex getting into his Black Tesla with another girl on the night of Valentine's But they said we thought that you I thought that you were broken up with him But I see that you just posted him on your story. so I just wanted to let you know that That's what I saw and I hope that when you ask him about it, he will be honest U So I then call him because I was not with him. And I just said, hey U you have one chance to tell me the truth because if I find out that you're lying, we're going to have a really big problem And we had a whole conversation of this is just not true. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what this person's talking about I went home that night And this was when I was up in New York. So I was not in town on Valentine's Day No, my dumbness is like over there I literally tried on a wedding ring at Tiffany's and I sent it to him. And I was like, by the way, my ring size is this. Oh my gosh. like, oh, hope you're having fun tonight on Valentine's Like what are you up to? He said he was out to dinner with one of his buddies And then I didn't hear from him after ten o'clock And So I said I went I said I went back to our text messages from that night. I didn't hear from you past ten PM And then you texted me at nine the next morning, saying that you got home and you passed out. I didn't think anything of it just because I trust my partner So we have that conversation when I talk about this DM that I got. and 's saying that, you know, it's just not true If this person knows the girl and she's going to speak up, like has she spoken up yet? I'm saying no But I want you to know that I'm going to trust you. this is a burner account coming to me. So I don't know if it's someone just trying to ruin our relationship because it feels like there's a lot of people out there who were trying to do that And I ultimately trusted him U And then fast forward the next week. It's now circulating amongst our friend group. I actually had Naomi call me and she's telling me that she's heard this and she's trying to figure out where it's coming from, finding more information for me. But ultimately, she's that, I think it's just a rumor And then the next week, still getting brought up, then there's more and more information that's getting brought out like, oh, there's a text message going around of a girl saying that she went home with him that night. And people are just talking about it to non like to every extent. So I still am like trying to trust my partner and say, I feel like this has been going on for three weeks now, straight. And there's rumors that are still circulating. Charleston is very small. like I need to figure out where this is coming from. But ultimately, I still want to trust you And we were in like a pretty big fight But looking back at her all, I'm going, oh my gosh The way that he was speaking to me knowing that he had done something was like the scariest part of all of this because he was able to look me in the face and tell me that It did nothing happened and that likeike he loves and values our relationship and all those things. So I just continue to try to trust him. Fast forward a couple more weeks, we end up breaking up not due to the allegations, just fundamental differences that we had. Was that your choice? That was my decision. Yeah, we had gone into a silly argument and I just said I don't really I don't like the way that you speak to me. I don't feel like you speak to me the way that you should speak to someone that you love. And I don't know if I can do this anymore. So I walked away and I got all my stuff out of the house and I was just like, be strong in this. you can't go back, you can't go back. But I was pretty n My heart was in shambles and I feel like that time away from him kind of gave me the clarity to dig a little bit deeper into this rumor in which I found out the name of the girl and ended up messaging her And her stories lining up with his. I didn't know that he was out to dinner with some women that night Valentine'say night. On Valentine'say night. Yeah. C. He told me that he was out to dinner with just one of his guy friends Like this is Charleston, right? Like this is a small It's so It's so bold. Very small town. Very bold. And that was part of his story was Do you think that I would be that stupid to take a girl out or go home with a girl on King Street near her And so I'm going, yeah, that is really dumb. Like it's a small town. Of course, people would see you. and people did. So that's gaslighting. Her story wasn't lining up. I then I never talked to him about this girl, but my friend had. and she said, Do you even know this person? And he said, I mean, yeah, she runs in the same circles as one of our mutual friends But then she comes to tell me that, oh, she's been on a few dates with him in years past And they DM occasionally about the neick And so I was like, well, that in itself, why are you deeming a girl that I don't know about a like your basketball team? If that was me And I was deeming some guy, he would lose his mind Lose his mind So I've said that in itself about you DMing some girl that I don't know That's Okay, you guys are friends, but you went on a few dates with her. So Clearly there was intension there at some point And now her name's getting brought back up. I've never heard of this girl before. I've never heard of her friend group before. So I'm going, all right, well, you at least found some girl that I'm never going to question because I don't even know who she is I then find out that she lives part time in New York. part time in Charleston And that's when it clicked to me and I said, this has been going on since October because there was a time that he went up to New York and was extremely sketchy. Wasn't speaking to me the whole night after the game I had asked him what he was up to and he said that he went back to the hotel room to use the bathroom after he didn't respond to me for an hour and a half Pab Wow I then just said, all right, well I'm going to bed. Do doesn't make me feel good that I haven't really been hearing from you And then the next morning, he missed his flight So I just put I put this all together and I'm like I don't have one hundred percent proof but this laundry list is like giving me enough. So he's still denying. He's still denying it to this day And what about the woman? haveave you reached out to her and had a conversation I did and when I straight up asked her She got to the point where she said, I'm confused with what you're asking. And I said, I'm asking about the time that you went home with guest Dwn on february fourteenth, twenty twenty six. Do I need to be any more specific? Yeah responding Screenshot all of our DMs them too My ex So, you know, we love a little kiki moment where they're just chit chatting about My DMs between right what's going on. My DMs between her What's going on there? I don't know if they're trying to get their storory straight or what But at this point, I'm going everything is out there that I need to know. You know, and I said, you failed to mention that you were out to dinner with girls on Valentine'say N night. You failed to mention that you even knew this girl that you took her on a few dates. You know, he's going back on that. Oh, I did say that. You just weren't listening. I said I did you didn't say that because I never even asked you about her. This is the first time I've heard her name. so I'm asking about it now And he's just respond, this is all via text, by the way, after we'd broken up and we hadn't spoken for almost a week DA texted me and said that I'd appreciate you if you didn't Reach out to my mom. and tell her that you still love me. and you know, make these allegations that I've been cheating on you I was like, I have enough proof And's he's going Haha laughing in my face, saying you don't have any proof No, I'm sorry. this is hurtful. I feel like very remorseful about all right basically ended our almost three year relationship via text So have you seen him in person since all of this I have not seen him in person. Wow I honestly don't really want to, you know, I feel like I feel very betrayed because of how much he drilled in like honesty, loyalty, respect. and how he like almost degraded me and my past relationship And he'd always say, oh, well, you you were with this guy that would run around town and cheat on you. That's all he did. It was cheat on you, cheat on you, cheat on you. and That was very hurtful because you know, I'm like, I know I understand that. And now I'm with a guy who isn't doing that. And I love and I respect you and I respect our relationship and I appreciate where we are in our relationship and It's like every single time that he would bring it up, I just was so confused. like why are you still talking about this? We haven't dated and years. Why are you still bringing that up He's talking about was just like making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Was he wasas he bringing that up in in a way to be like, look at all that I do for you like, I don't do this. Like I'm so great. So would it be like when you're addressing something with him where you're like, hey, I don't appreciate either how you talk to me or how you handle this argument? And then he's like throwing that in your face as a like, well, look, I don't do this It's like it's like needing an applause for the bare minimum. Yeah. every Single time Wow. Susie, every single, every single time that we had any argument, he would bring up my ex. C and be like, bl, you know, blah blah blah Speaking of Shep, have you spoken with Shep since you've been single? I have and I have seen the rumors that we're gettingetting back together, hooking up again or whatever U and that is not true. Even if I wanted to hook up Wishp again or get back together One, I would hope I have a little bit more respect for myself to go from one cheating X to the other. But Sp is a very logical human being and He's not the type of person to be like Yeah, let's do it. Let's get back together. Right. You would inevitably say, no. I don't think that that's the right thing to do. He cares about me as a human being and has always cared about me very deeply And even in my time of, you, kind of throwing him under the bus and giving him a lot of shit He's always been there for me and he's just had a a very big heart for myself, for me and my family, which is big For me, that's important, especially when it comes to my family So I did reach out to him after the breakup and He was I mean, He was kind of beside himself honestly. was like I cannot believe that you are sitting right here in front of me. I cannot believe that you reached out. I just I care about you. I think about you all the time. I think about your family. I think about your brother. There's so many times I want to reach out to you But I feel like I just couldn't because your ex was like, holding you hostage. U which I felt like he was to an extent, I felt very isolated from my friends and D deffinitely people in the cast I'm curious. I mean, and I get it because I'm sure you want to be careful with how you say things, especially when' talking about Sep. You know, because like you said, I think there's a lot of like despite what happened between you guys, a lot of mutual love and respect and consideration for each other. Do you find like comfort in his companionship in a way that almost feels I' know confusing sometimes, even though like like you said logically, you guys probably know that it's not best for you guys to get back together, but Is there comfort in having him there for you in this time in a way that almost feels like maybe you shouldn't find comfort in it? U I would to say find comfort. I definitely feel safe when it comes to my relationship with Sep just because it feels very Easy. And I know that he I mean, even if it doesn't a whatever, he's always had my back and he's always tried to stick up for me. So I feel very safe with him in that sense that he's kind of always been the person to help me navigate when it came to the show you try to help me navigate like what to say or how to respond to people with whatever they're saying to me. And I, I went through the ringer big time for two years So I felt like he was trying to stick up for me in so many different ways. I do feel like a sense of safety when it comes to that and just like my outwardly Um I guess just like who I am as a ly I feel like he's someone who has always had my back. So I think that Id find comfort in that, but not in like any kind of romantic way Yeah. It sounds weird. This is going to sound so weird to say, but like he really, he reminds me so much of my brother and that was something that was huge with my family going, Ohh my gosh, Sep is exactly like your brother And this is going to sound so weird, but like I look up to him as someone who's going to like stick up for me and have my bath. Yeah. no, I don't think I get what you're saying that it sounds weird, but I also understand what you're saying and it's just sounds like despite whatever flaws that S might have as a partner, it sounds like he's a pretty great friend and does want to take care of his people And while maybe you guys weren't good romantic partners, it makes a lot of sense that he's good at showing up the way he does in a way that makes you appreciate still having him in your life Absolutely. Did you see Sally's video? What was your reaction to that I did see that and My initial thought was, please don't make this about yourself You know, you did not date him, you did not spend an extensive amount of time with him U we can agree that sure he's a cheater But it just felt very like There's a reason why I didn't reach out to her when things all happened. I reached out to some of his exes to get the story the real story of what happened from them. and their story was lining up with exactly how he treated me and our relationship. So I'm talking to women who have spent multiple years with him someomeone from like college, his most recent one before moving to Charleston U one of his college best friends who you know, they all dated in the same circle I had some women reach out to me and then I reached out to the most recent one just to kind of understand because I'm saying if this isn't true, if this is not who he is, then I feel bad that I'm you know, even thinking this way but she confirms like This is who he is as a person He will try her experience was I felt manipulated, isolated and gaslit when I found out that he was cheating on me and I called him out, And he made me feel like a crazy person for even thinking that he was capable of that And I just said to a te, that's how I feel. So she said, I don't know y'all's relationship, but if this is what you're experiencing, this is one hundred percent his MO because he did it to the girl before So so your video on Instagram where you were like when the girl that he didn't cheat on you with ties up next you or whatever. What Was that her? Was that not her? That is the alleged woman that was involved or has been involved since October So that she's misses Valentine's. This is miss Valentine's. Okay. Yeah. that is the alleged girl one hundred percent. she was back in town for the weekend. Surprisingly enough on his birthday weekend I'm going hmm Interesting. I wonder why you're here. Good timing. Interesting. Good timing U, But yeah, I Again, this is not it's just, I mean, this is like, yeah, an ass nick moment. Like if you got all this information and then the only information that's saying that he didn't cheat is him saying I didn't cheat, there's no proof that he didn't do it. And that's where I was saying it to him I'm going you I have a laundry list of proof that gives me evidence to say that you did this and you're just giving me your words from your mouth saying that you didn't. And saying haa on text.. That you would lock it in Yeah. Anybody thatdates you for three years My personal opinion. the days you for three years and you guys break up, you go your own way. If you confront that person with a cheating situation, a super painful loyalty situation and their reply back is haa haa No more confirmation needed. that person is so self centered and unaware and and doesn't care about their partner or the person that they love for three years enough to have a real conversation to laugh in your face is so absurd. I mean, at least, Amanda. to I had the She had the willingness to like when she was going to Kyle. I could like the fact that you would even question I would even bother I don't know what to believe when it comes to that, but like, yeah, the fact that She could have a conversation. Gastne was more like, you know what? Yeah I don't care about you anymore crazy. Here's your as nick answer Taylor. Like listen, they're going, you know, this is definitely a karma situation They deserve each other, truly in the most possible way. Like You don't have to worry about your revenge Thats around the corner. Oh, it' already had its way. Oh yeah, I saw you post something about that., what happened? Oho, tell D tell U I mean, it is public knowledge, but there is a situation I woke up the next morning and somebody, one of our friends had said that There was a little trouble that the girl had gotten into with the law and I'll just say that as much And I was like no way. You know, I wish it was Geston unfortunately, but this is on the way. Are we tal Are we talking like misdemeanor? or we talking federal offense? Right. Yeah, no m misdemeanor. Anything. Okay. Okay. Not anything like she's gonna be in jail for many years. Good amount of time. No wayait, this is the girl that was like y'all were twerking together on the boat or no. No she wass on the boat That is one of my friends. I feel like a lot of people thought that that was o that is one of my girlfriends. she met up. we were just having a good time and then I decided to be petid And when I did, there was that's one more girls had spoken up. I mean, I even had a girl Dam and say Hey, I thought that it was weird. I know this might not mean anything to you, but I found it weird that I was following him because of the show. I saw him on the show and just innocently followed him and then he followed me back And I she was like it just made me feel icky. And of course, it's some cute girl I'm like, why are you following girls back on Instagram if you're not doing anything that you shouldn't be doing? Yeah. That's weird Yeah Hm Did you ever ask him that? What was his answer? I haven't spoken to him since. Um I guess it's been like three weeks I haven't spoken to him since then. You just and at the time it happened, you just you didn't notice, you didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. D didnn't notice, didn't know. and ir I mean, it was after I posted the video, the girl had commented and was like, I just wanted to let you know that this is what happened with me. This is my experience. somebody from his high school, o, we went to high school with them. He's always been horrible I'm just like, who was I sleeping next to? Like I have no idea the man that I was sleeping next to, I thought that I was in a very safe space and I'm not saying that our whole relationship was terrible. At the beginning of our relationship, was he was exactly what I needed He was in my safe space. He was somebody that built me up and made me feel like I was capable of everything And then as time went on, it just felt like I was He was like my biggest hatater. Like he was constantly putting me down or pulling me away from Bing me away from friends. always talking about, you know, how dumb I was to even be on a TV show and how dumb I was to be dating a guy that was cheating on me the whole time. And how And I just felt very belittled as time went on. and I was like, I think that I'm dating my biggest hater. Wow. What is happening? Sometimes you are. sometometimes you're dating your biggest hater I'm not that in tune to the universe, Taylor, but I feel like Y your your love stories is around the count I know, I just feel like It's, uh You're I think you're going to be I'm sorry you went through that though. That's just like, than you guys But also, I mean, like