Wedding Planning and Final Thoughts

Ed better looking in person Isn't? Not that you aren't good looking on TV? No, you are, but they didn't they didn't You don't capture They didn't do enough scenes sexill. Yeah. Yeah. like walking into the room where we don't really get any We didn't get a lot of like shirtless momentsirtless. We didn't get into sex tape. Nbody camebody nobody came to water. He really could give Marieiao a run for his money I give you a platform. And I met M right before the show. I would not be worried about it. Well, welcome, guys, welcome back. Welcome back, Amanda and welcome Eddie. Thank you. We're very excited to have you. So just to start off, is this like your Is it official? Is this your exit interview, so to speak It's not official And I'm not sure. Okay. evenven This man was the strongest. You really shouldn't do that again, Babe. Like you were really unhappy But he's had a change of tune. Well. Is it because of Rihna? Yes. It be because of Rihanna. I've never called her so fast after a text messages in my life. She sent me screen grab and was So you sent it to Eddie. Yeah, so I have I can show it to you. I have a screen grab from my assistant. And it's the text message with me and one of my assistants. and it has Rihanna's message request and then all caps. You have a message request for Raranna. I moved it to your primary fold or you can find it. like. And so without even opening it, I screenshot that to my team, like our team group chat, you My sister Who else got it? A handful of people got that, but there was a message that I hadn't even like looked at yet. from Rihanna. Wow And was that as surreal as it sounds Or were you kind of like, of course, Sanna reach out to me? No, absolutely surreal, N of course But upon a little bit of research, this is something she kind of does sometimes. From what I've gathered, I'm about maybe the fifth housewife that hasnt mentioned her reaching out. So she gets she gets involved. She's She definitely involved. She is involved. She's not only a fan, she's like an active But that's part of the problem with us not being world We don't know stuff like Yeah. Wait, wait, wait wait didid you reply to Rihanna? So I replied to Rihanna and I said, I was like, listen, thank you. I mean, the quQeen has spoken, like thank you But honestly, the environment was really hard on me. I don't know if it's something I w to do again And then she replied with like, I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying, like she really thought as it was interesting that she thought what allfans tend to think She thought it was about the cast. She's like, Well, I'm not taking sides, but you know, you went to her book party. She's like telling me this stuff. like we're talking about me and Doria.m like We're talking about whether I want to spend another year of my life doing whatever that just was. That's not the same as I'mad at a castmate. You know what I mean Like, like it's interesting to me that the fans really so truly like believe what they see in the final cut as the ultimate truth It's not that there's not truth to it. It's not that I think They don't I think they try to capture the energy of a moment. I think the production does. I you know. So I'm not even talking about like inaccuracies. I'm just saying like You can't posossibly know what the four hour dinner was like in a minute and a half. I think that's just it. It It's not that they you think they they take it as fact, No. They take it as fact, but I think more accurately. I just think it's just, you know, we watch reality TV kind of like as a as an escape We want to like watch other people's lives and I think it's just easier or simpler to take it at face value rather than just be like, you know, there's more, you know, this there's there's this was five minutes of a four hour dinner, you know, like three in the morning. I I think that's very true though because people don't holes in reality TV the way that we do when we go see a movie And we poke holes in the plot Yeah like like this is such an escape for everybody of your brain are Yeah. Oh, and I think a lot of, you know, we watch it because we see ourselves in these people or we see our rivals, you know, oures. girls who act that way? Yeah. So the last show I watched religiously was The Hills. So I'm dating myself. but like Being on this show kind of made the hills make more sense in like a weird way, because you know how you're watching it television, you're watching reality show and you're like Wait, what happened there? Where did that storyline? or like they wrapped up that whole thing we've been talking about all season with that little sentence. It makes more sense once you're filming because you understand that like Hincet did a television show. They got into episode. They gota tune it into an episode. And real life doesn't always fit an episode for. Real life isn't that interesting. real life isn't that interesting? No,'re not like If you're fighting with someone, you don't end up sitting directly across from them at the dinner table. You probably sit at the other end of the table for a couple of meals. Right or you don't look. Right. But like you have a place I always thought it was interesting. I have, you know, you have a place card at the table for every single mill and I'm like Of course I'm sitting on across from Dorit and Bzers right there. likeike, you know? And Kyle's kind of far from me, not super close because that would be too comforting. So last time you were here, we obviously talked about whether you were going to come back. We're huge fans of you on the show. I thought the reunion was awesome. Thank you I do think I agreed with a lot of the fans that this season It was like it just it took a while to get going, but like I told you last time, I thought You were the most entertaining part of it. Thank you. That being said, you seemed pretty committed to like not coming back. And obviously this whole interview started by like, you know what? Let's bring Eddie in because like we haven't had a chance to really get to know him or your guys is dynamic as much as we'd like to. And if you really are done this would be a great opportunity to like get to know you guys better I am just curious like How serious are you guys when you say, well, now that Rihanna's reached out, it's given us a second I'm on a pause. just but like There's there's an argument to be made about keeping going and there's an argument to be made about like protecting your peace and stopping. But like, I guess on a just a practical sense, other than just being a fan girl and having it be a cool that Rhna reached out What conversations did you guys have as a couple? L What are we having? Yeah, like what like should we really think about this? I'm reminded of that ve the dinner we went at that veget vegetable place. The second floor with the vegetable. Yeah. I mean my side of it when we've talked about Should she go back Right? Like there's the elements of like, yes you are suuper smart and you're going to be able to figure certain elements of the show out and the strategy and all of that. There's no question that she can handle that part of it whatsoever. Like I'll be better at it as her navigating partner as her husband, as her protector though. I'm like the amount of energy you spent not on the show dealing with Social media deal, which which she's always obviously been in that world. But the amount of energy drain, the amount of times that we've had late night evenings talking about all sorts of different Icess something with you like on a Sunday afternoon during now. Right where I'm just like I don't I don't I don't want her to do that. She is bigigger fish to fy. She is gold. She has, you know, heights that she wants to achieve. and I don't want her wasting en energy. We just talked about it this weekend talking about certain elements of this and I was like, There is going to be people that you will never reach. no matter how much you're going to be on the TV screen or an internet screen or a phone or whatever. there're not going to be people that want to receive your message There's only so much Diet stuff you can push on a person that needs to diet or exercise, but until they want to They're never going to want to do it, you know? Um and I just frankly don't want her wasting her energy on That is that is a big part of. It's so much it's more psychological space than anyone can understand. and she cares. I care about everything I do. I talk about this with our like inner circle and our friends all the time. That was hands down the biggest Aha moment I had when we first started dating. She was wildly nervous for taping a live piece that she was doing in her own bedroom on her bed. for one of my courses. I was going do a live mod. was nervous. And he was like, arere you all understand? Why are you It's like these are these are literally your people. They have paid to watch you That has not changed Every time. She could film one tomorrow. in her brand new office, which is catered and built exactly to her liking and her comfort and she's still nervous. And the only reason is because because she fucking cares. Yeah. like a lot And so when Eether around the show Reddits, patrollls, all that stuff takes energy from her. I'm like You she cares so much in trying to get these people to see the truth Like they don't care to see the truth. They don't keep clapping back in the comments. They come in one time. The funniest one, I don't even remember what the actual issue was on Reddit And I just started laughing because I was getting through the Reddit And it went from people commenting about something Amanda said or did or whatever to somebody saying, I would rather watch my dog eat flies, catch flies. F hundred comments later peopleeople just talking about their animals catching flies This is how little we actually care about your thing. This entire subwriter went into animals catching flies instead of talking about what they actually can. like it's crazy see the things they'll say about you that are based on nothing. I don't go on Reddit. and I went on last night. When you came to bed, I was on Reddit It was shock it's shocking the things they make up or the things they try to piece together that are based in no version But it's like, this is my life and my story. So when you're like making mockery of it, it's like you want to correct it You want to make it make sense They're saying that the cult wasn't a cult, it was a rehab There's this whole thread about speculating that I just went to rehab and I called it a cult. And they're going on and on trying to find the rehab and I went and I just went I commented and I haven't I never I never knew what I haven't done it in I have never done it. This is the first time. I have a Reddit handle that's like Amandarances one one, ele one. I went in as Amanda Frances one eleven. I was like y'all, this is the name of the church. This is the name of the pastor It's like, I'm ti Like, no stop. My life But that's the thing that kind of Eddie is right about that you just it's a winless battle. then They're not going to believe you. I mean, maybebe they're going go and they're just going to say something crazy about that now. They're going to make up There's still a whole population online that think I'm gay Oh, that's true. Can we clarify that for the world? We met in West Hollywood. He chased me on the street in West Hollywood. and the world has decided that means he's gay. We were going at, what's it called Lural hardware? We were going into Lureal hardware. we were't going to the abby. We't matter. I've beenve grrown up in LA. I've been to every gay bar And I'm super confident. I just found it hilarious. Yeah, it's not bothering him. People are really convinced he's gay, though. This is I mean when I first on I've talked about this, but when I first went on reality TV, I was the villain And then I would after the show ended, I would go out in public and I would have people meet me and they would say things like, o, you're taller in person, you're better looking in person. You're nicer in person. And that like We had a very negative effect on me because I found myself months later actively trying to almost meet everyone in personal because that was people see how nice I am. Yeah you And you obviously can't do that. You truly just kind of have to let it What is helpful though is when we're at our new pthouse For some reason when I walk down the street there is when I get stopped a lot, like a lot a lot And all the people just want to like say hi to someone they saw on TV. Yeah. It's like, I love you on the show. so and so is a bitch to you. You're doing great. Can we take a picture? Like they're really not like the Reddit population is a small amount of like the viewership It does' not feel that way. And for all you know, that same person was on Reddit. Right sayaying those things. Maybe they're so nice in person. Like the person who flips you off for cutting them off, they would never be so embolden in person. Right. I think everyone' There's a way whatever they want to say, but I think we shouldn't be able to say it anonymously. I wish if we could just change anything, sayay whate everyone online, but if we all had to show our names and faces like those of us with an online presence and an online business and a reality show have to do I think that would be fair I would agree. Yeah. They've done that in the UK. They got rid of Tatle. Tattle was a Reddit site that they got rid of because it became unsafe. for the influeners celebrities they were trying to take down. I saw a post last week that it was a very supportive post of you. Of me And it was like this kind of like, you were looking all boss or whatever, look like this businesswoman. And it was basically saying, she doesn't need this shit You know, she's independently wealthy. And now you kind of all want her back. somethingomething about that fact. and it was just You've done one season and I'm just curious because I think there's a thought in this in Rei TV, specifically Bravo that evenven though housewives used to like it originated as M women like yourself, all these like like wealthy people who were willing to share this kind of outrageous life they had with the viewers. And now over the years, that's drastically changed. You still have people like yourself or Kyle Richards who seem to be like their checkbook is ance ready to go. Yeah. And then you have other people who are like, they need this shit. This is their livelihood And and and do you can tell when you're filming with them. Yeah. And that was kind of my question is like On one end, it must feel liberating to be like, I can do this and not need this and this gives me a level of freedom to say yes or no to things. Oh abbsolutely. Well, I felt that when they were trying to first cast me. I felt through every meeting, every call, every whatever, I knew I didn't need it. I knew I've yeah, I've always had that. And I think that irritated some of my castmates when I would be a little whatever about some of the dinner tables is I'm thinking like, why do you all do this? and why am I here doing it with you? Yeah. But do you think it made it harder to do your job or to do what you wanted to do because you were mixed in with too many castmates who needed it. and we're willing to kind ofes operate that way. those who need it Like make the responses bigger than they actually are. L those who need it are like always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time and they're veryy different on camera than off camera. and it's hard to I was told multiple times. Listen, this is your friend group That's the premise here. This is your friend group So do whatever you would do with a new friend group. I'm like, o, I just get to know everybody. I wouldn't be forming like strategies and opinions and takedowns. I'd just be trying to get everyone in a new friend group, right? And so then you get there and you feel like people are trying to do whatever they have to do for their strategy and their storyline and their takedown, you're like How do I ever get to know you? L How do we ever So in that way, can the show really be built on relationships it depends on what those relationships are, I guess. I think for some of my cast There shows that that is the entire premise of trying to Build a relationship dating shows. Yeah. ye. ye cam Yeah. Yeah That's the ent. Do you feel like you had opportunities to form real relationships though they were always filmed But the show's also fostering connection. Yes the paradise date, whatever. Gash your fans will often complain about this because like in that atmosphere, it's like it's very controlled. And the truth is the men form most like when it's a bunch of men living in a house and there's one female lead or vice versa You actually the most meaningful relationships you form are as with the other men you're living with you were the bachelor. Yeah, I was on both sides. Okay But they rarely isolating when it was all the women bonding and you just having dates. It's very difficult. But to answer that question, they rarely show those moments. They're not showing a lot of the bonding male friendships. They're showing the trivial you know like, o he interrupted me, now I'm mad. Yeah You know, in reality, he didn't even interrupt. He was just like, you're next, you know. And then it was made to look like an interruption and things like that. And That's just kind of part of the reality TV. I will say about coming back though that's just floated through my mind I was thinking about the conversation we had after we had that date at that vegetable place. I don't know the name of it. we were about to walk into the house and relie the baby. That place is gonna be real disappointed. We're not namedropping. We really enjoyed that didn. I can't remember keep going. Itt go to amaz so they have a lot of vegetables. Okay. we were standing in front of the house. And I was like You've never told me no before. I'm not a woman who you can say no to And I almost feel like you're telling me no Night was the most poignant night of it and Your immediate reaction was that of someomeone's telling me no, which does not go well Yeah, like you' to coming backing back. just telling her no to anything. He's like no one's ever no one tells me no to anything but I felt like he was telling me no to going back. meaning if I If I went, I would still have his support, off course, but he didn't want to film anymore. He wasn't going to be taken away from his work day on a Wednesday to film something in our bedroom or whatever. You were just saying like you're kind of saying, I'm out. And what you basically told me when we first first met was like, Be I wanted to like fly to Paris or something randomly. and you were like, go to Paris and you were very, very chill about it. and you're still that way. every dont time I want to do anything. But you said, I realized when I first met you that if you ever felt held back, you were out. Like you are not someone who can be held back. So you've never, ever at all in any way discouraged me from anything ever. Right. And coming back felt like the first time you were kind of like No. I really don't think you should it's very different dynamics because Not only did I realize that early on when we met like this is not a woman you're ever going to be able to like hold back from because you're insecure about something But also I never felt like you were gonna be a woman that was trying to escape Either you were never going to be in a position that you needed to escape from. So that made it very Easy. and also the time in my life of like figuring that element of my ego out and everything. But This show, it was different because I have had to protect you in different ways in our relationship. And this time specifically, I'm just like the amount of energy youve spent post show I know. So that was like your biggest piece. It' like, I don't what's the whole definition of insanity thing, right? Like every' putting a different result? Be it would be it would be the cycle. And I get it because she's it. I can't She can' commit from things once she does it. L period. it' it's to her own detriment, even And with the show, that was the thing The show would air we would spend Friday, Saturday, Sunday talking about it in different times of the day, she would end up in the comment section or people would end up in the comment section or the red or whatever. and then she would start formulating o, how do I Yeah But do I change the narrative? How do I get Yeah to people to see what I I want to make a post around this? Do I have a Tuesday get that all squared away. somethingomet would get posted And then like Wedesday Thursday I' a business went again and then and the next episode com out every week and I'm like, come on. Yeah. yeah, I must I had a break where I didn't film just because of the way everything worked out. Like I can't remember what it was, but There's like a one week I didn't film a little bit before Italy. I remember telling one of the producers like, how are you doing? afterfter not filming for a week? And I was like, my brain turned back on The creativity which I was able to give my business this week is something I haven't given it in months, The presence I was giving my children I became myself again. It's It's weird to voluntarily commit to something where you feel so that it takes so much from you When your business and your family are your priorities? Before you went on housewivise, would you guysu have considered yourselves I mean, I know like you have your business and you're like public, but were you still relatively private about some of the things What do you mean? V? No, you have You've done in what way? When I first met you, was actually my biggest concern because you had this public persona. I wouldn't tag for months. In't tag him. No one knew who. I know like how that dynamic work. No one knew the kid's names for a long time. And then and then a lot of then I realized how effective, frankly, she is at showing what she wants to be shown that stays with her branding and imaging and everything like that. but private life is still keeping my private, like priv.. But where where I was gonna to say, are you sure is like In Money Mama, for example, which is my course for like working moms, there's like so many personal examples like from our life, from our relationship. There's a module online sexuality modor. it just has honestly intim details of our life. I I find that different than that's sprinkled throughout my work. R. But I think maybe you mean like social I'm hearing is though Whatever you shared, it was your choice. Yeah. And you could just decide at any point and be very intentual with us, you know, like, obviously we're public figures. We talk about our relationship on this show, but like we're very selective and there's things we don't share. and no matter what, It's our choice and it must be a very different feeling for you, someone who like clearly values control notot in a like in a toxic way, but like being control of like your family, your life, your marriage, And then giving that control up to an entity. that in a fan base. Yeah, that's that very much doesn't almost like you can tell how especially Brava fans will like be resistant to Housewives who seem like they're holding back. you know, I mean Kyes for the past couple seasons have been getting shit about her relationship status and you know, it's like you're supposed to do this. You're supposed to do that years or whatever. she needs to figure this one out off camera. like let her live, man. For sure. But they're like getting paid. Yeah Eddie, how is it for you having someone else control that narrative in the way that your wife was being perceived. Oh, the way, she's being perceived Well, there's there's the lag F of all, right? She would film and then she would talk to me about some of the stuff that went on or or like When she would even film her telling me some of the things like when you had the penis drawing party and I just walked, I was like, was stupid I thought that' be a funny way. Yeah yeah And then It'd be out of sight out of mind. and then it would air weeks and weeks later and and like that was actually there was almost like semesters to this thing because there was the part of the season when you're filming where nothing has been aired. And so there was I was like, Oh, this isn't bad We're talking about some bats shit conversation that happened in real life that she's telling me about it And then the show started airing. and then there was a whole other element to it. brought in obviously with You you also don't know what your castmates are saying about you. You don't know the narratives that you don't then there's another semester with like, I didn't know their question the banter and what they're saying in the interviews that makes you make would make her second guw filming interviews after we haven't seen each others for months. everyone's more emboldened in their interviews. That's weird to see people you hung out with, like have these really strong opinions. but also like The narrative about my business, for example, I didn't know it was happening until Italy. When you got done filming, What idea did you have in your head of how you thought you would be portrayed Iing Like you get you rap filming and you're like, the dust has settled. like what did you envision for yourself So like, okay I kept feeling like because I was really unwilling and unavailable and it just wasn't in my character to freak out about the dinner table, I really kept thinking that maybe I just did like a really bad job. And I was going to be kind of boring because I just like say what I think and then kind of have nothing else to say, retract a little bit So I kind of thought people would either think I was like boring, not interesting, like one and done. And so when I started kind of getting the feedback, like everyone's really happy with you at Bravo. like you're involved in every major storyline. I was surprised. I'm like, how like did that scare you a little bit? No. I mean, if the goal in this universe is to be asked back, which is not my personal goal. What was your personal I thought I thoughtw it go on there See who you make friends, with see who you connect with. tryry to have a decent time Try not to engage in the stuff you hear about the show that is not your vibe getet a lot of eyes on you and see what it does for your business and book and brand in life. was there was that barbie dream element of like getting on a Yeah In some form representing Beverly Hills was like a very wild idea Really, you know, like I made it here somehow. There are certain elements that she Wisdom pretty much unshaken to though The one thing that I told her I was like, no matter how things get edited, which we don't know and we have no control over, as long as you stay true to yourself and are genuinely you through it Some people aren't going to like it We don't care about that. As long as you stay true to yourself, then you can't walk away with any regrets outside of maybe the time and the effort that you And I really don't have. but I think that's a big reason why there was almost a full circle with a lot of the Brava fans. they realize like, she's she's not fake, she's not putting this on by the they like This is her This is really her And she doesn't let these People get her flustered. People went from what is she hiding by not freaking out to like, oh, she's unbothered by nonsense. Which felt good for me? Two part question. One's actually a question then I want to I guess, challenge you a little But if you have no regrets first question, if you have no regrets, then why aren't you coming back? I have no regrets in how I behaved because listen Had I researched classmates the way I was being researched and gone that avenue and then gone to dinner with them to try to take them down. I wouldn't feel good about myself because that wouldn't be true to me. I don't care if it's the way it normally goes on the show where people like I just couldn't live with it, right? So I didn't do anything I can't live with. like As far as mentioning that the like sunscreen in the Chanel backpack or the ten thousand on crystals or whatever. Like I would have done that different, but that's kind of like you don't know until you know. Like That's kind of learning how it works. I thought those things are cute and funny and my friends would have thought those things are cute and funny. We are fact The fact that with her friends, there was a lot of laughing about how much people were freaking out about that were like Why is this whyy is this such a drag to you guys? Amanda will randomly drop those kinds of? Well, dry senses of humor and sarcasm are Yeah, it's a little dry sh and often or just they're an editor's gift Be becausecause you can strip the context down. and then the person just seem like they're saying something out of nowhere. completely out of touch. We were looking at the prices on the bottom of the crystals talking about how much they were. And I was like, I spent ten thousand in one sitting before. in context, that makes sense. Crystals are expensive. Fike there's this very like infamous bachelor scene before my time. I forgot what his name was And he was like one of the major villains at the time. and you know, ultimately I don't think he really liked the girl and she was popular. And so he ultimately like left and there was like this They showed the scene like he sits down to do like their what they called in the moments, whatever you know that you guys do, but they're doing it like in between like filming. they're not like being called back. And he's like How's my hair? you know, like sitting down Which everyone does when they say an interview. R Right. But the way it was you Oh my God it seem like he's just like he was deliberately trying to manipulate this bachelorette and was so like Like they're having this heartfelt moment and he's only caring about his hair. He only cares about his hair and it's just like That's really not fair. But that that's I mean, that That's what it is. That's what it is. We sign up for that happens all the time. Fair better or for worse. Second part of that is I will say The reason why someone like yourself, if you were down to do it, and I could never argue someone like if like the couple that' sitting before me, if you're like, listen,'s not I don't need it. It's not for mental health. You're not going to hear me be like, you should really I mean I'm I say this as a fan. a fan. But as a fan People like yourself always get it tough early because you make it so easy for your peers and your cast members to like rip on your dry sense of humor or like or just the way you kind of process information And then then fans will rip that apart. But what fans love the most on Reity TV is authenticity. And is why it's why like you look at the command of it all, I don't know if you're following that. like why they're getting so much any reality TV star that gets the most hate is when Fans will be like, we thought you were this turnurns out you were that R It will get viserated Yeah Amand There's another'sand Amanda has been thrown her. I they call me that name too. I know but like you but you're someone that like if let's say you go back five seasons. my guess is you will be this version of Amanda. You will be this consistent Yeah. Mbe you say the like the kind of out of touch things, you have like a sense of humor that doesn't, you know, that everyone doesn't get But they get it more as they want. It will keep showing up and showing up and people will be like can trust this person and then you will find more people who will say, I'm an Amanda And your fan base will grow. I mean that will happen. But it is always tough for people with your type of personality because they always come in and they always get fucking crucified because it's easy to crucify someone like yourself who iss kind of like, I don't know what's wrong with what I said It's true. Well and also who's just different And who doesn't maybe always read social situations the way everyone else does. And yeah All of that Um, I don't it's just kind of a painful experience. That was That's a whole another element to to the show that I was like super aware of in the beginning you're Her friendship circle is very small to get into her she's friendly to Ebody, but to like become A friend of Amanda It's not easy. She's got a full life and a full cup And so it takes a while for you to like actually broach into that realm And so the whole premise of you're going to be on a show with these how many are there five whatever. however many women there are and we're supposed be friends. I was like, this is going be interesting is This is just day one. You were just saying you don't let everyone in easily. You don't necessarily want to be friends with everyone. Right, but it's a strange social experiment. Yeah, you know. It is kind of a strange social experience. That'sah. How did you guys meet? He chased me on the street in West Hollywood Do you wantna hear the whole story? It's the reason why I say I'm better at manifesting than her. whichich is not just like annoying Don Forget, Vial Files Plus now offers ad free episodes for all Vial Files episodes including As Nick, reality Recap and going deeper plus. If you love As Nick, you will absolutely love our As Nick updates where you get updates of your favorite calls, our deep dive on all your favorite reality recap TV shows And our pop culture roundups where we talk about all your favorite pop culture topics that we didn't get to in this week's episode. Plus, deep dives on our going deeper guest and so much more. All you have to do is go to Valfes plus and you will be lucky you did You want to tell her or do you want to correct me in my parts I'll tell it and then you can I don't know, we'll see how it goes. I've been making these lists for like, I met you when I was thirty three. I started making these lists when I was for twenty years, I made lists of what I wanted in a person. just before I even knew whatest manifesting was. this is just kind of how I am I manifest things. So lists of like all these qualities And then I think it's probably common for a lot of girls like writing out or making little which I'm sure year old they definitely change over Yeah Yeah But something stayed the same. So I was making all these lists and then I was like No like I'm ready. like it's time. Like I had been in this really long relationship and then I hadd been single for like five, whatever. I was like ready. it was time So I'm like in that vibe of like, I'm gonna I'm just in that I'm going to meet him kind of energy. L I'm just excited about it. I'm going out kind of like intentionally, I don't know so I'm in the vibe And I'm walking on the street toward Laura hardardware and I walked past him and thank God, I did not see you were smoking a cigarette or I never would have talked to you. Were you walking by yourself? I was my friend Laya. Okay. So but here's the Okay, sorry, I forget about this. So I'ine That was part of how we met Oh hu. We're getting past the part of how we met already. What do you mean? How do we meet my side of it, how I manifested you so much quicker. Okay, tell that a minute. For all this to work out For me to be walking by him on that street at that time There had to be traffic on the four hundred five at nine PM. I had to be late getting to dinner at Wally's. My friend Laina had to make me stop in the street at Beverly Hills to listen to some rap song that was about money that I was going to love. She had to tell me we couldn't park on the street. we had to park by her apartment once we got to like all these things had to happen for me to be walking right then, right I had one intention, I had many intentions. I had an intention though that I would not meet someone through an app. I just I was on all the apps, whatever, I could not meet someone through an app I needed a meet cute Okay, here we go. You're at dinner I was at dinner with a close friend of mine who I was living with at the time where He had a roommate situation in a like full house There were three men and Eeddies two kids was literally early ninetyies sitcom Um, He was Yeah He's one of my longest, longest, longest time friends. Oh can canan we tell humanity that I didn't break up your marriage? becausecause I'm so tired of that. Yes, she did not break up my marriage. So he's Not even close. was okay. Your ex was in a full relationship when I met you. Yes veryone herear that. looking at all the cameras. She's not home night She was really on red last night. It wasnt that's partially my doing because there was there was a short period of time You guys weren't divorced yet because COVID delayed the paperwork for everyone's divorces. Right. We were we were separated and I the He was I went with that sorry. you'rere living in Ecina with two friends and his two kids. continontinue, I'm sorry Not a home recer continuing. No, she's not a home record, but the timing the timing didn't make sense to some people because she and I were already dating And and the divorce paperwork finally became became final On top of that once I didid separate and move out Nick my best friend who I moved in with, we literally called each other the same to tell each other Differe circumstances about getting divorced, bothoth getting divorced Yeah. I when they moved in together. I was like, well, I need a fucking place to stay And he's like so why And he's like, what's just Iucking do this. it was literally was me. They did a really good job making that little place a home. You guys My Liam and Chosuche are older kids and they'. Liam and Chchosche had bunk beds in this little cute room and the three men had their bedrooms. And they were the guys were awesome because frankly, they were single, no kids. they didn't have to move like back into the valley. They could have gone and lived in West L or wherever. They could have g been young people. They were they were game, we got a house, we had a backyard like It was It wasn't min a bab baby. It was It was three minute and a baby and I'm living in a three story house in Malado with an elevator and four car garage and all their space in the world. And I go to your when we started dating, I go to your and I could see you and it's like There's all these humans. o There was a lot. I was very aware of like I'm bringing her into some shit right now. But they decorated it very nice, can you? Both Nick and I kind of went hard in the paint. Like once we were like, all right, I want to start. I'd never dated on in a period of apps. Like we had my space when. Ham and his ex got together. and you guys got together in you werere like twenty one Right twenty two, twenty three something He was super young. Yeah. so I'm like figuring all of this out and very pretty quickly like figuring it out well. and also we're also going out on our own I mean You're having an easy time. He's six three, good looking six five. six six five He's trying to say he's sleeping with someone different every night. It was doing well. We had we had a good time. and then but then it got to a point where I was like, This is when it first started, I was like, I don't ever want to do this shit again Like I'm done. I don't want to be married. I don't deal with it, I just want to dad, my kids and move on with my life And then I remembered who I am and I was like, I can't I can't keep doing this. like this is There's no meaningful connections in this likeike I'm ready to meet And I dated a couple of people like for a period of time, but so he's sitting at the Russian restaurantll it up. it's a Ukrainian restaurant.' one of those restur restaurs where every vakka shot is flavored. They have their own infused vakas, but you were constantly It's very We drink a lot, and that's why I was that's not sureue I was smoking cigaretes At dinner that night, I told Nick, I was like, I I'm tired of this. I want to me I want to me a my person. thirty minutes later, I walked down the street and that's why he says he's a better manifestter than me. That's amazing. So you walked past the street and you walk I was Nick we were like I said, we were liquerered up. Nick was ready to go home. Yeah. And I'm like're not we're not done. We've gott to go out. We gott to go somewhere and And he's like, whereere are we gonna to go? We're in the worst part of West Hollywood for us to go and meet chicks and H and her friend walk by us like, we're going where they're going. He says, we're going where they're going I think that guysy really like I just give you a little look. I think you're really cute. but I'm like Lena's never my friend Laina that I'm with. I was like she's never going to stop and talk to Nick. So we keep walking I step into the street. Eddy's right behind me He's running he'sught up to me and he's like oh, so we' You walked very quickly have long like. He walks quickly to meet me. I step into the stet. He goes, oh, so we're J walking now and Then what did I say I said Oh I said it'skay, I'm with my attorney. becausecause Elaine has an attorne, she was my attorney at the time. I was like, it's okay I' with my attorney. and you're like, so you'll p for my jay walking ticket. And I was like, no, you'll pay for ours Yeah. And then you're like, can I buy you really And we were on opposite size becausecause I didn't jay walk U You did too, JayWatcher. followed me into the street on the crossw one. Are you sure? Thousand percent. You're sure. I will get the CCTV So you bought me a drink. Yeah. And then and then I kept again, I was lquored up. so I quickly did you flick that cigarette away when you turned to? I finished it I'm sure I finished it while it was. I don't know. you don't remember the grace of God, I didn't see it. It was down at hisis side because I'd have been like, ooh It would have been fine I don't know. I don't know if I would have talked to you. Anyway, so we're standing in Lauraal Hware and we're our two friends don't want to be talking. They're both trying to leave, but we can't stop talking to each other. And then we realize we have a mutual friend, one of his close friends from high school So he moved here from the Ukraine when he was four, but he grew up in what's that party town called? No, you h called us, but you grew up in with a house. So I ask him when I went to high school, he says Calabalis, we realize his close friend from high school is like my neighbor in Malibu, right? So I grab my phone. I'm like, Amber, I like take a picture with Eddie. I'm like, I'm with Eddie at a bar.'s like, He's so cute and fun, have so much fun. Tell me how it goes you should make out with him whichich is good because hadad she said like, get away creep right? So I had run like a chack really quick that he's like a good guy I God she responded fast. did she turned out she wasn't that I was single. and wanted to So maybe we would have met one way or another. We also had the same massage therapist On that app where you book massagees. right, right. I don't think that would have happened. the must there. It seems like the universes were somehow aligned. Maybe. It worked out. No' I also remember I was about to leave on a flight for Europe. This was the January before we met. We met in August this weird feeling that my person was coming. It was the first time I'd ever felt this like know they're coming, it's time, and that's when your marriage like fell apart. So wait, you moved here from the Ukraine you My Yeah, I was four and a half when we moved here legacy build my grandfather was in construction, my father was in construction, all in the Soviet Union in Ukraine and I for better or worse at that time in my life ended up following in their footsteps And I still do it now. We specialize in finished carpentry. pre COVID, we were almost exclusively hospitality, pretty much every landmark hotel in L.A. Every piece of wood in Beverly Hills hotel, hotel Ball A whereere else add just name them. brag on yourself. take it for from my playbook. my playbook We will be laying in bed at like a five star hotel and he'll be telling me how he did the ceiling The only the only interesting thing to people we had a period of our we had a period where we did break up after our initial meet cute. Yes. and then we reconnected, we reconnected and But we were not together. I told her, I was like, I don't know what this is. I just know I want you to be in my life, but we need to become a friends friend F It was intentional from my standpoint because I felt you can't have a relationship without a foundation. And when we first met, it was just It so in love so f. It was too much. So we kind of needed that break. Yeah. T get our shit. And I d I knew she was dating. I was dating like crazy. And she did a selfie in the bathroom at the Bellar Hotel, which is one of the hotels that we did. But I knew he was watching my Instagram. I was intentionally going on dates and having a guy's hand by the shakuterie I was doing. But this is the only time I ever commented though L I demned her Pretty quickly after. Immediately after I posted it. Yeah. And I How how does it feel to be surrounded by my wood? He said, How's it feel to be surrounded by my wood? she's 'causeuse he built that bathroom. and I was like, what But that was july fourth. I was on a july fourth date at a hotel over there, which was so random. I met your kids on july thirteenth. So It didn't take long What makes your relationship work as well as it does And what makes our relationship work as well as it does Frankly, I think We've lived a fucking life before we met This would not have worked earlier too your point about how the universe is meant. We were before the show you and I were talking about it the first time I went to Israel She was in Jerusalem at the same exact time was in my early tw. I was a teacher assistant at the Hebrew University. we could have cross paths was doing birthright, and I'm not even Jewish I just had a Jewish professor at Asimi who loved me and brought me with her. This there was there's an element of like this in Israel the same time twenty eleven. I would say, yes, by the time I met you, I was ready. I was ready to have kids. You already having kids was not a detriment at all. I was down. I was ready. It was not a thing to me. I wanted She was like, I'd rather have a baby than a ring. I'm like, let's have some of my babies. Yeah, I wanted to go ahead and have babies. I wanted to step momom your kids like our kids. I had traveled the world, I had grown I had done everything I wanted to do. So like I don't have it and because what we said of like you'll never, you would never hold me back, like I just feel very free and happy inside my relationship I feel very grounded anchored. I had no anchors for years, No relationship anchors, no. I was nomadic for years. I didn't even have a home in America. So like Fr a relationship standos me, but I'm still free. those terms We both value each other's independence Yeah also valuing relationship and our h. He just went to the French Alps for like seven days to do a festival thing. and I was like, goo live your best life. It was his bachelor party. I was like, I will handle all four children. What was the hardest part about watching your guysy's relationship portrayed on this show in terms of any ways that you guys felt it was misrepresented So let, do you want to do it first We know why he's asking it. You go first. It was it's the the financial gaps And and how it got. how it got spoken about on the show and then ultimately how also got portrayed. Yeah And one of the reasons why I agreed to come on and like even do any of this is I was like Frankly, it's bigger issue I think just about masculinity in general and how men H have such a between their financial wellbing to their masculinity year to their' worth in general And I I just don't. You don't play that way. Where does your man head come from being a father and being a partner and being a protector. Above. Now, that being said, Her statement that did get used the show of the I make more in a month than he That puts me in the top five percent of probably Individual percent. No, it's five percent. You Google that. I didn't want Reddit toys, he's still in the top five percent. as an individual and And I've had years where I'm talking about your company. you're talking about personal take. Personal. Yeah. but I've had years where we had have more than that. and frankly, I told her all the time. I was like, I know where I'm going and I know what I'm going to achieve and I can't wait for the time we're even your income will just not matter and I can just be like go do whatever the fuck you want to do and use my money. Like I look forward to that that's not That has nothing to do with energy, that intention to take care of me like is through our entire life. The only legacy we actually have I could make one hundred times more. I could be a billionaire. It doesn't matter. Our children are our only actual legacy. not our businesses, even if our children take over our businesses, childildren are still the legacy and they don't remember that. They remember the experiences, they remember being supported, they remember being loved. remember being there Strict when we need to be strict and disciplined. They remember all of that My kids, were I wasving home we were driving home from Newport yesterday and Shishhawn was asking me questions about this camping trip. I'm taking Amanda and the Ls camping for the first time. She's never been camping. And I don't I don't have seell service for like four days. Yeah, it's gonna to be great. Soveryone would be really concerned And but my older kids have been camping with me a bunch of mill. And she was like asking me Dad are you going Are you gonna to make pid Mani Russian pot stickers Are you going gonna make poney for the first night like you always do, the fact that she's got They have these callbacks, they have memories to that stuff of me dadding them is more important to me than anything than any amount of toys or whatever I can buy them. They're not going to remember the nerf gun that they got for Christmas. They're going to remember the trips, the experiences. That's what they're going to remember. Yeah, I think that's great. And I think honestly, I feel like you guys don't even have to defend You was saying that in a way because everybody was so call but I wasn't like freaked out about it. I'm like, I don't fucking care. I mean, I think you would have preferred I could have find a different phrase. Yes. But like It also But why though? Did it annoy you because like to what people were saying or I think you felt like the phrase reduced our relationship down to something. It gave it gave gave It gave it gave him some food for the spotter, you know, like everybody now is like clicking ono that. I'm like, and it and it's just out there now. forever. Yeah the way these things live Yeah, but I feel like, I mean, thanks for sharing that and honestly like as a new dad, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, like, you know, like what I started the show back in twenty nineteen before I ever and I' never anticipated her being on the show the way that she is But like We work so well because and we were talking about this like a week ago, but like we just we're like we really are a team. We just do it all together and we like share in the responsibility of work and parenthood and and we just we really just share at all. And to your point as a dad, like the idea of taking care of my people is the most rewarding aspect of my life. And that's the thing in Bravo, we don't really Revel loves a very traditional like man, woman dynamic. and they're not going to get that from us. And yeah, and like, you know, there's a lot of rep there's a lot of poor representation men in Bravil world. Totally. So I think people want to assume that he was either taking advantage of me or like being a bum or was like a stay at home dad. Like there was like no space for us to be like, okay so tired of I was at breakfast with We alternate sleep in days on Saturd and Sundays. She sleeps in on Saturdays, I sleep on Sundays and we the other oneakes the four kids out. And I took the kids to breakfast in the morning and I was having a great time. We were eating breakfast and this smaller families Everyone's sm than. They were sitting across and the dad goes like, h Daddy dayca today home I'm like No, I'm just at breakfast with my kids. Yeah I don't I don't get that st. tootally with the dads are like I got babysitting dutyonight. Yeah. I don'tves much and your drives mere just parents. But this is really this is really important to me to say this really quick because this is somethingomething that I've talked to some of your friends illy and I have talked a about this and I think it's a major issue with with generenerally our culture and it has been for A long time You probably know, I know a lot of instances of guys who have unfortunately taken their lives over the past several years And there's such a connection between that and their financial status You know, if your entire idea of manhood and being able to provide for your famil is tied to your financial wellbe and how much money you can make when shit hits the fan, which inevitably does for everybody in some capacity, You're left with nothing that event we were last week. I was yeah They were telling us about a guy who just committed suicide and left all his kids. And it wass because he had declared bankruptcy and didn't tell anyone I I could lose it all. And frankly, I'm going through a hard time in business right now trying to change a lot of things When I come home There's no wavering in the man that I am with my family No, never. And can I also say like this was just it's just so silly. Like I would say to every woman like, Do what you love, find a way to get paid for it, make the money you want to make, and then marry who you want to marry because you like them You know, like, can't we marry people because we love them? Like I didn't have to think I was not thinking about how much money people made. This mindset, is it a reflection of how your parents were or is this were't It very hard working household. I mean, they had a here Frank from. Considering what my parents went through, they were insanely present They could have been way less through my own work and therapy and experiences I just have had the ability to have a lot of hindsight and look back on Ultimately other father figures, while my dad is still super present in my life Um, coaches through water polo people who got like the best out of me and always known I wanted to be a dad Very, very, very young age. And so I had a bit of a lens like growing up through high school and college of friends, dad's, coaches, my dad being and like almost Picking choosing being like, I see how my friends talking about how his dad treated him today at practice, right? or whatever. and I just formulated all of those. And then losing ultimately a battle Right with my divorce. because I was not I did not just like give up. I fought for it. I wanted to make it work. Divorce was a four letter word. I never thought I would be the man. You could ask any of my friends. I was never the guy that anybody thought that was going to happen to. And then the last bit of it was COVID COVID stripped everything away. You can't send your kids to school. I'm in an essential industry, right? We had to keep working. I had to figure out how to work from home and remote all of a sudden for the first time while being munocompromised, everybody's getting COVID. My mom's in the hospital and having to parent it all at the same time. I'm just like I remember this Switch flipped and I just started buying stuff for the kids to have fun. I was like, I'm going to make COVID fucking core memory for them Yeah. and they and they they did We were outside all the time and that was that was like the How old are the four kids? Ten, eight, almost four and two Almost eleven, almost nine. Yeah Sana's not allowed to be almost nine. I met her on her third birthday. She's not allowed to be almostine. Were you surprised entering Housewives world? D you think you would be more warmly received as a successful woman entrepreneur? success of it, yeah. Because in my world in personal development, it's like she did everything right. She has integrity. She built up this audience. like she delivers what she says she will Like, I'm very well respected in what I do. It is still very confusing to me likeike Also, why aren't we mad at Tony Robins Like I think some people are. Oh. I like Everyone's got haters. Yeah ye Yeah, I didn't I thought there would be business questions. I thought it'd be kind of like how most people in my industry. anyone with an online or e commerce business, like our moms don't always know what we do and it's kind of a joke that like our moms like it's a thing. Our moms have no ideed how to explain it to whorever. I think a lot of millennials I guess in all onlineer text spaces probably have that. I thought it'd be like that likeike, I don't know what word to use for it or I don't understand how the courses are delivered or what do they watch you talk about I didn't think it would be manifestation is a scam Money mindset is a scam Like, I didn't I didn't think The comments that Bose made about you saying that his childildren weren't your thatupid that. They did the flashback at the reunion. Did that cause any issues between us? No, ye. notot at all. What was a specific comment she? Okay. It went like. She called She called all of our kids her kids. I said I have four kids. And she said, Oh, and I taught I explained it. I was like ammatrician I stop children and bladah,ah. And shes like, oh, so they're his kids I You cannot tell me they are his kids when I dedicate my life to them. likeike it is so insulting to me the idea that they are not my children and his ex wife agrees. They are my kids. They are all of our kids. We are all raising them She has no issues with this. I think Bose thought that like she was going to be kind of getting into something that most people would agree with and some people do, but also it's twenty twenty six. and there are a lot of blended families that have a lot of different things worked out It like the idea that they're not my kids that I Well, and it's hurtful., you know. I say it's an interesting conversation. because I can't relate to your guys's experience. We only our first kid. So it's like interesting because like when a bose says something like that and I'm watching it, I probably would relate more to her point of view than yours. Yeah. But once I say, I'm raising them, they're my kids too. What else is there to talk about? And so then in her interview when she says, I don't know about this two mama stuff, there's one momama and it's me, I'm like, okay, well my kids are two moms. with. She may have that perspective in her situation One of the main reasons why We got together Frankly Lilliam and Chaoche were of my priority list of of dating. She's the only woman that ever met them Yes and if it wasn't what it was I just would have stayed in Did you ever offline with Bose about that conversation where you were like, yeah, that really was upsetting No, I mean, she did tell me I don't think it made the cut, but she mentioned once, you know, wanting her daughter to have a close relationship with Keeie and wanting to like foster that for them. And she asked my opinion about that at our first lunch and I was like, I think you let them know. I think you let them know that it's like okay with you for them to be closer for her to be like a dad to him. So like in that sense, I think she could probably see what it is to raise a kid and become another mother figure I mean, the thing is This is the thing I'd really want to say. We never told the kids what to call me. They invented the name Sama They could have called me Amanda. They invented a name. It was cute. We ran with it. And there were many names before his mama stuck. I was like lllama, mamaamama. mama mama,ing Dong mostly from Liam. Yeah. So eventually it mama stuck and they ran with it. So I never told them what to call me. That's one. Two, I never told them, I am your mom. I am your other mom That's how they interpret their lives. he I've heard them explain it to their peers. likeike, well what do you mean? They're both my mom Aand is my step momom. L they don't like this is the life they live So like I didn't force like the comments and the rhetoric is somehow like I've manipulated these children somehow. All I did was take care of them, You know, pick out their summer camps. it's just stock their closets to make their life volunteer at their school. Disney's ug you know hor I don't like The evil stepmother stuff sucks. It I think stepparents are probably a really like uupported, misunderstood population. It takes a lot to parent children that you are not obligated to parent that you choose every day. It's a very conscious daily decision. Are there any of your castmates trying to convince you to come back not Who do you think I'm talking to? You haven't talked to anyone post reunion? I think Kathy. Okay. I haven't asked Kathy what she thinks That's not what we were talking about when I saw her. We were talking about the the room and know your place thing. And who if you don't come back is other than Kathy, who do you think you will have some kind of relationship with I'm sure I would always be friendly with Kyle. I think I'd to always be friendly with Jennifer. I think I dont know, I think I think almost everyone, if I saw them out of the context of the show, would be able to say hello to each other in a way that's Have you been following the dite divorce and foreclosure stuff that's I try not to, but Threads keeps telling me. I think Threads knows that I'm secretly interested. What are your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on it? and I don't know. I think if you did say on the show that She outsourced her financial welling to a man. I know. Listen, what I said to her at that lunch was like, okay, what's invested? what's in retirement? what's going on? I was trying to understand. how much understanding she had of her finances, which when I teach this, it's called intimacy with money, it's just really knowing what's going on with your money. It's really important, especially women because women will turn a blind eye to it. And she didn't know. I mean, I think it's just really obvious that like If you're not sure if the mortgage is getting paid, call the mortgage company. L And if the mortgage isn't getting paid, even if it's supposedly your ex's responsibility, if you want to save the home likeike pay the mortgage and spend less on designer clothes The designer clothose receipt has come out of the seventy something at Louis Vuitton in the thirtieth whatever. Like and I loveved to shop, but I would never not pay my mortgage, right? I don't know what it seems like She thought that if the mortgage stopped being paid and she was making her best efforts to work, like we all see her working more getting the bookill, whatever, that he would just look bad for not paying his family's mortgage. But I think everyone looks bad Yeah, I think everyone looks bad. Tel We absolutely love the tunnel gym and everyone in my family is loving it. 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That's Tonal. com promo code VI ALL for two hundred dollars off I just think it's crazy becausecause I think Dite is gonna lose her house. I mean, sometimes I consider buying it Is it your style? Well, okay,. If it wasn't, so modern. if it wasn't so pigeonholed in this one specific style, and I thought we could have an easier time renovating it into something that would like make us money. I think I would absolutely considerying. This would be great for a season two for for the storyline. No I like it more the headlines. Main buys house and then I never come back and they never see me again. Is't more interesting? So we pivot to our renovation show. And then we get a renovation show. It HDTV call spiritual component. That's our destiny. And it's renovating D re. I staging all wiping away hurt my bory. My God, I sage everyone. I have the Apollo Santo. I'm like, say your affirmation before we start the day No that on it ook at our together. Sit on it. It's ana. It's really modern. It's really like what they were what they were It's what they were doing at that very specific time. Like every house in Incina looks Yeah. mododern farmhouse Yeah I don't think it'd be fun innovation for us Do you think she thought like the quord of public opinion mattered in divorce proceedings or banquet make a decision whether they foreclose. Do you think she Is that kind of? I don't think shows how any of that works. I think, I don't know. I just I think she wants I think she wants him to look bad And I think she wants everyone to side with her because he stopped being the provider or whatever. But like None of that matters. You gotta pay your I just You gotta pay your bills I just, I don't know. I nothing that is kind of weird because like I don' think PK ever looked good to any the audience members and it's just surprising to hear that that was top of mind for her And what it feels like as an outsider, as a fan is that in the pursuit of making her ex look bad, she's making herself look worse Totally And then when the kids are involved, it's very quick for everyone to be like, well wait, but what about the kids? And you have you see these parents And then like they release the tags between the daughter, which should be illegal. You should be able to release child time. But the daughter is just saying like takeake us on vacation. and like So that we imagine that means the conversation in her home is like, your dad isn't providing for us to do these things. like that has consequences to a young mind. you know, and how they're perceiving their parent. Like, yeah, releasing text messages between you and your ten year old daughter is like, yeah, you shouldn't I mean Paparazzi aren't allowed to take pictures of us if we have our kids with us, you can't I shouldn't know that you should release child conversation. Is that true? They seem to do that anyways. Once upon a time, they used to be able to, but I think there's been a lot of like, I think Jennifer Garner like let up the stop taking pictures of my kids thing. and I don't think they can anymore. I was told that even if the stroller is anywhere In the shot, they can't take the picture anymore I don't know if it' they can't sell They can't put it on a gid. I know. Yeah Yeah, I don't think they can. Wow. in California. Did you see Bose calling Andy out after the reunion I thought the look on his face because I was sitting right there, the look on his face when he said really was someone who was confused, not someone who was questioning her suuccess as a woman. like I don't know. I thought he lookked confused. And I've always been a big Bose fan but in that moment I watched her video, she made less sense to me and I think people kind of I think I got tired of her correction videos. Be like they were so many out a CMO. Mbe they maybe maybe they are the scapegoat of the C suuite in corporate finances, but I don't think theyre the way she explained it was like it's some sort of like temporary consulting game. Yeah What's that whichich is like a fractal. She was saying it like almost like a fractional CMO position It's just making more a sound like highigh level gig workk Like they they're on a there's a there's a term. They're here. they revive the company and to it. When he said really, I think he was just confused. But then I think he won't mind the call out because the callout brought a lot of attention to the show and that's his priority. Yeah. I don't think the callout is gonna upset him. Do you think Bose like maybe got too comfortable because she had like a really successful rookie season. She was pretty much unanimously loved and adored. And no one really questioned anything about her background, her business. And then you came in and you seem to be this other kind of indpendently wealthy woman who's making money and you you seem to have her attention kind of attacking you you feel like perspective and how she approaches going forward will change. Do feel like maybe She learned a tough lesson by going after you only for people to then kind of Look at her business I mean, well, that's like karma and it's like truist form. Like energy any energy you direct is going to be directed back at you. So I don't think it's shocking that she like tried to find things out about me and in turn, it made people be like, well, like what about you? like why is all this about her bothering you? I've seen a lot of like Why does she trigger? Why does he make her trigger her so bad? Like what is this really about? I mean, I don't know. I think it would probably felt really great to be a very successful person and then have a very successful first season and it probably feels like shit to have everyone question you. but like I don't know What's the saying about dishing it and taking it and the spoon? How's it go She can dish it out, but she can't take it.'t if can't take don know what it Something like thatong thoses. I don't know if there's spoon involved. I think as a child, my mimi's husband always said that and I always pictured a spoon. and my headon. Yeah. Scale of one to ten tenen being I back, one being zero chance. Where would you say you are today D Don't look at me. I know my answer. but answer you def. Only because of R. One and a half. So No. just took you from a zero to a one? Yeah. Why thought' you take you from like a three to like a nine? No, that's just how much I love R. No, like one and a half. You really don't The rush is worn off. You really don't think I should do it Yeah Well, let me say this, like, you am I sleep backag? Your sleepight we spent up talking about this stuff. Do you think that now that you've filmed, you've lived it, you've put all of that energy into it after the show. Do you think there's a version of you that would be able to film, let it air, let people have their narratives run with them. and could I partartmentalize better essentially think so I think so, but I happen to know that Some people who've been in it for a very long time have had anxiety about it every single year and still do You know, There's not I mean, listen, it's impossible I think I'm as good as anyone compartmentalizing Yeah, in this in this gig and But I'm never perfect at it and And it's days you carry it Yeah, you know, not some days almost every day. and it's honest how evolved are you in your social media Rarerely if any, I mean, like I'm pretty good at that. But like just having to do the show, talking with people like Amanda, interviewing people in the reality TV space, like it's hard not to get caught up in the fray. We try not to. You know, But when you're talking about people's favorite characters you say something negative about when everyone's leturt now you can be caught up in a hole and don'll get cli and I can say like love bills, love XY Z. I didn't really get this your show I mean it hell, but it's good for your j. I mean it's like I just not what you're bouncing in this. Yeah. And I kind of chalk it up as hazard ped. Like it's like it's kind of it's it comes with the gig, you know, It's like I have to like do the conversation with my therapist about like there's no I used to be an accountant, I used to have a real job. This is so much better. L you know, like we're very lucky what we have, but I have to like there are aspects of this gig that like I would much rather do without and yeah, it does Yeah. You can never master it. You can only just control it. You have good days, you have bad days, you know and I mean, you said it perfectly. I mean, because that's that's how I think about things. like where is my energy going? That is like my religion about like it is not this in like This is not like people think so much about our thoughts and how it's just like Unlimited you know, like no, like you're either thinking about this, you're eer thinking about that, you're're doing this, you're they're doing that. And like how much of your energy is caught up in the person you used to date versus the person you're trying to date or like the job you used to, you know, and And it' it's it is a very costly thing that most people don't even like recognize even consider. So the fact at least I will say the fact that you are aware of that is an advantage you have if you do want to move forward because at least you have a chance at controlling I did tell her Although I said no to her at that dinner and everything I have zero issue with her being on camera and being in the limelight. I mean as big as I want to be. I was like, I just don't think I think a lot of think is the right view. We get a lot of DMs like that. A lot, a lot of DMs of like Like we love you on TV. this is the wrong show or like you're clearly made for TV, but why the hell you pick housewives? Like I see a lot of that Yeah, but I think you'll get that with wherever you go. But okay, listen If my like ethos, if my like thing is building women up and empowering women and making them feel their best and believe in themselves the most. and if I've dedic dicated my whole life to that, And housewiveses sitting at a table to tear each other down and to get dirt on each other to try to make an interesting show. like you're gonna to have a hard time stooping low I mean, I'm going to have a hard time stooping low, but I'm also going to sit at those tables and be like Yeah. No I hear you. So that's, I think, what my audience is like, this is a really weird format for you How has housewives helped or hurt your actual business This is what makes me kind of want to come back. So one thing I'm great at is pivoting. My whole career, I've been a really, really good pivoter. Like I'm really good at like looking at my I can like read I can't read the room on Housewise, but I can read the room in my community. I just noticed over the past like two years, year and a half, I don't know, a while that our low cost offers were doing really, really, really, really, really, really well, right? Like For a long, long time now, will'll get a lot more people in an eleven dollar thing than a free thing. So that's just been in the back of my head. And then during Housews, I'm looking at the comment section going, these people have no basis for spirituality. They have no like foundation for understanding manifestation. or like just a minuteo, when you're talking about energy and thoughts, like create. like that's a principle that I thought most of the planet had and they don't. So I'm looking at the comments section thinking, what can I create for these people? And then I'm thinking it's be easier for a braber person to take a chance on a low cost thing than a high cost thing All of this Ruminates. So through while we were filming, I released a couple like a training about protecting your energy. I released something like that for like five dollars. Like I was just on playing with stuff Anyway, it all accumulated and I did a twenty one dollars thing called the abundance timeline where they got a module every day for twenty one days and it was on like manifestation and what you think about and your self talk and really how to create your life And five over five thousand people joined a twenty one dollar thing And I don't think I would have had those numbers without housewives. I think that was a lot of people kind of in the housewives peripheral going, let's just see what she's about Now I have all these really happy people My vision was, what if I give them something they can start their day with every day for twenty one days? How would that change their life Right? And now we know five thousand plus people are doing that. like That makes me want to do another season Because if I could do that to fifteen or twenty thousand people at once, Then I feel like my work is doing what it's meant to do. She definitely cares. Like money aside, you know, Listen, I'm really good at making money. I can make money a whole bunch of ways. I could sell it another mastermind, whatever. I make I could make money a bunch of different ways But like my favorite way to make money in the past several years was this Was the five thousand people in a twenty one dollars thing that's so much more interesting and fulfilling to me than anything I've done in a long time. So like I think housewives help facilitate it And I was just thinking, I need to have my team run the numbers of how many of those people were new. so I have more raw data. But my sense in the comments is like we have a lot of new housewives, people just kind of interested And how and then they're like saying stuff like The way I'm talking to myself is so much kinder. I feel so much better and I'm like Praise God, this is like what I want to do, you know Eddie, who do you need to DM Amanda to get you back to attend reread it and do it There's no one h. Rihna. There's nobody hired. It really only took you a one and a half. Not even. Maybe No definitely not a b. Wait wait wait, you said you didn't want to film anymore if I did it again Did knowing that Rihanna is watching you. Baby, Rihanna is watching you. No. Rihanna watching you doesn' it make you want to film If the producers sayy she didn't slide into my DM's. What does she slide into the earth? I can't ask her to. if the producers say, Amanda that's part of the gig, like your families are on the show You will do it for me Yeah I I what I specifically told you that I would check out much as possible from is The repeat discussions and drama and emotional let go like You're tired of my OCD brain. Huminating. Just the same. working really hard.ang it out. They don't care about this as much as you do. Let's get over. But I just couldn't make it make sense, you know, And I was just trying to make it make sense. Does she have conversations with herself Jarard. Is that is that your version of to your Nardic? of the backyard. She' would I journal Yeah You can tell you can that cycle that I was talking about, you can you can very tell like what phase she's in. There's like an introverted, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, how do I how does this actually make me feel? Before that, it'll be the emotional element of it where she's just like venting to me and there' be sometimes there's teers involved A lot of times there's tears involved, not that that's an issue And then I have a perfect way to say this. I've called her a data whore forever. She loves she needs data. She needs statistics. when we were dealing with pregnancy when we're dealing with the Niku, when we're dealing like, literally everything, when she doesn't have the information, I want the information then I want to decide that it doesn't matter and I can do it I want to do it. That was part of that process. Every week she'd be trying to get the information just so she could figure out exactly how she feels on it because she can't make rash decisions It's really hard to know it to make a housewife's world because If we're looking at people from Housewives in the Aundance timeline, then I'm thinking what a blessing. If I'm looking at people from Housewives and Reddit, then I'm thinking like this is the worst thing I' ever could have done to myself. You know and housewes created Yeah. That's probably why people go back over and over though I think the attention is really interesting and really compelling. The people stopping on the street. like it like the spotlight I think hooks people in And then I think if you have a business and it's affecting you positively, I think it probably gets people Yeah. I mean, and Brava has a Bra a a very great and dedicated and loyal audience and a very successful audience for the most part. What did you think of Sutton saying she found out that you took a two million dollars loan out. Baby, do I have I ten a two million dollars loan out We have a normal mortgage We We have a normal like we're on in a lot of ways we're just us. We're like, we don't want to sell the house. We have fucking insane. Yeah, I got an got a great rate. I don't want to give it up. like Yeah we're talking about it like when we end up moving down to Newport like we're like we want to rent the house potentially because we don't want to I don't to. I know. I thinkll like I think we'll make more money long term if we hang ono that house and put renters and eventually. that's beside the point There's no Tillion dollar loan. But like there's a lot of stuff about how why doesn't she own her house free and clear because it makes more money in the stock market. L are you crazy? Like if I were to Pull many out of investments and pay off the house, I would't Six percent, I think two point seven percent interest rate on her mortgage. fourour point something. We're in the forest So at is a one point five, what are you Hh comoming back out of timewn. Sounds like it's going up and up Do does sound like it's goingone off. So there's days where I'm like just living my life or whatever Sorry that I can't answer a straight question, but there's days that I'm just like living my life And I think of something that like would make sense to say at one of those dinners. And I'm like, you know, I could say that, I could say that clearly and I could say I'm so much stronger now because I know more about how this goes and like I can do it And then like later if I'm on the internet or something and I just see a bunch of nonsense, I'm like, Is this Like I have a hard time not looking at it like energetically. like it feels and looks like this tangled sticky spinning web. It's like a very weird world Yeah. So you're There are days where I'm a three. I think I maybe get up to like a And then there's days I get up to like a six if I could do this again Is there a world? I mean, I've always thought that reality TV is not for married couples. And this fact that it like it does nothing but like create friction and drama when when marriagees are supposed toot All the real housewives are all divorced to me. is that too. But Do we have real housewives? becauseuse I don't know the other franchises. Do we have some that are like Kyle and Maurios, haveone really loved them together, but are still together. Yeah Yeah we have many. Yeah. Yeah. I think you survive if you make it through, I think you've done a lot of. I think you have to have really thick skin because you have okay, one you're protective over me. So there was months where I wasn't consuming anything. like let's be real here veryy thick skin. Yeah, there were months where I'm reading nothing and he's reading everything. He knows every narrative about me. so he like You're dealing with that. and they're dealing with the things that they say about you. The stuff they said about me had no impact. and I was only in looking at things for you. there was like a period of. You were processing whatever it was. Yeah I was What I said earlier about how you need your data. I was there was try give it to be another because you have your team That can phrase things and give you information in a certain way. and I can also step back, I feel like better sometimes in your team and be like, this is how I kind of feel like everybody's looking at. Would you do that again if she were to go back? O would you try to get your algorithm back to like water polo and building but my Ig gos back. Your algorithm's back Did you have to say not interested interest interested do a lot of housewores? No, honestly the Bachelor P party fixed it all. It's just nothing but music content. so it's like finally back. It's That's. I think it's really hard on relationships because even though we've been basically fine, There was a chunk of time where I was processing what it was for me and you were processing what it was for you and it wasn't like easy on us. You know, I don't I don't anticipate getting any sort of stardom out of this thing. So I don't think that's going to be an element of it. Like I'm not going to be the husband of real housewives going on. thought that Right. goingo on dancing Instagram is like not is kind of appealing to me. Who would you trust the least going into if you were to go back? We know, we can't trust bs now You know, I think she hates re pretty determined to make me look bad Do you think there's any regret on her end? Or do you think there's a deeper feeling towards you? I well, she apologized me at through reunion. I thought it was a sincere apology and she apologized in one of her post episode I mean, I don't know Is she motivated by public opinion don't know. What is her motivation? She she want to write public opinion and I don't think she's there to make friends Okay. Anything we haven't been able to ask a any that we want to before we send them on their way or anything you didn't get asked. You're a good man, I love you. Thank you for supporting me and all the crazy things I do And I really, I mean thanks for coming man. I really enjoy. I don't get to talk to as many men as I do women. I love to have my women guess, but like also just like I'm in my fatherhood era Yeah. I really likek hearing about thatad. like you.. show up in my DM's now anybody No, that's the hand is the dad the dad for his hand when she didid your last time and she came back and was asking me some questions about financial thing, I was like, I've never cared but like I would like to go in some s something to say to fucking say this it's sad. I know multiple people that have ended their lives as a result. I've been in a very dark place as as a result of it as well And I just think it needs to needs to be there's there's there's more priorities. It's not our actual legacy But yeah, I mean, you're speaking to the way the society almost reduces a man's value down to like what he makes. And's and that's why we were, you know, and we saw our dads just Clock in, clock out both at work and at home Totally You know, And I think there's a reason why Are we millennialss what are we call We'relder millennialslder like we've we've changed it. We're trying to be more present and we're and frankly, we're having the hardest time of any generation of men because we're trying to work We're trying to dad we're trying to be pres same. Like women are providers and we're at home. like we're all in all of it. It's just not divided the way it used to. But I would argue as far as the emasculating idea, A I em masculating him by making more money and talking about it? or are like the people sitting on those couches with me emasculating him by reducing him down to that? You mean say? because a lot of who is actually masculating Like my, you know, my husband wouldn't have been okay with that. Oh, like Rachel said that. When I saw her say that, my immediate takeaway like first thought was like, then he's not secure in his in his fatherhood in his masculinity. I don't care We had to talk about that very early on When we were first house shopping, when we were looking to a place to move in together. had we had a budget. I had told her how much I can afford to kind of put into it and contribute into it. and we were looking like And the house popped up and I was like, I knew the address. I knew the area. I was like, this is gonna be bad. And when we pulled up It was ridiculous and I immediately thought I was like, she's going to love this house. And I and I can't contribute in any meaningful way towards this level of rent. And I said it's fine. had we had a talk. I went to lunch afterwards and I very candidly and vulnerably like told her, I was like, I don't want to feel likeike I'm mooching off of you in any way. I don't want I also don't want this held over my head in any way. I will provide everything that I possibly can provide But if you want to live in this lifestyle, like like I don't need I don't need this. Yeah Yeah. Did you pay for that lunch Yeah he we can't cut tize I gota say a couple things I forgot. Okay Maybe the bread winner one doesn't mean he doesn't work. twowo doesn't mean that he would let me buy a dinner or a date. you obviously pay for dates.s like because it's done mostost of our. Yeah. And have you seen this idea that I bought the ring Okay, that doesn't bother you. That bothers me. Do you know why it bothers me What? Becauseuse you got me like, he got me like the best ring, right Like you had to save up for it. Yeah. You had to work to get me the ring. Yes. R. I could have just gone and bought the ring, but that wouldn't have been meaningful. You wanted to give it to me. and that's like who you are as a man and as a person. So that meant I had to wait longer for my ring. But I waited and I got the ring. And I love that you bought it for me. You know what I mean? Did you have a helicopter you off edd we had our courthouse wedding but ourding wedd is ten twenty seconded Is Rhanna invited because apparently she's not invited Bose's wedding. Wh is Ranna notomotive' I saw something online. I don't know if it's accurate. Maybe it's fake news, but it was like Rihanna was in the comments being like, I haven't not I haven't received my invitation to Bose's wedding She said Are they Frs? Do they know each other Okay Ar she says it got lost Yeah, Rihanna can come absolutely. Yes. Rihanna, I'll get you a save the day. Please get me your address. I would love to have you there. How do you feel about the helicopter Are you fun with the helicopter? Iven't really decided We just circ honest I mean, I'll tell him what I told you when you first thought of it. this is ridiculous. You you want to come out on a horse? Only because you wanted to come out on a helicopter It wasn't the helopter, It should be clear. She's been Exactly. Yeah. wind. The place where we're at and I can't divulge because I'm like big on the The venue is so beautiful. I want it to be secret for everybody until they pull up She can't fly in on a helicopter. We're getting ready at the Benny. So the helicopter iss going to come in everybody going They're going tove town and they're going to helicopter me in. It seems so much. It's much she said that I was like, then I want a giant white horse and I want to come in on a horse And she was like, okay, I was like, well, it's your day and did every. I really haven't decided. There's a lot there's a lot to be done with wedding planning, and I'm honestly very behind. I don't even have my dress, but we know a great we know a great wedding dress designer. Really? Yep. She did Lonael Rey. Yeah inQ. Yep. Okay, I'm open An thing I'm supposed to say before to end us out, can you raise our audience's vibe? ty. Can I raise the vibe? Yeah. Where's my camera? aa What's our topic? Just like hot ones, this is your. Are we doing to say it with me? Like you want them to repeat? It's your your This is your sh. It' your moment. Okay great Wait, this is the Francis Files. I bet I can raise your vibe in thirty seconds. Let's go. You are good enough. You are amazing. You are here to do big things on the planet. It doesn't matter what anyone says about you. doesn't matter what they think. it It doesn't matter what stories you've been told. It doesn't matter what you M or your brother, your pastor, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Like you are the authority on your life and you can do great things. You can do great things, but you have to believe in yourself and you have to show up every day like who you are and what you do and what you're here to give matter. So show up, do your thing, live your life, make a fuck ton of money, haveave the best time and middle fingers to the haters I love you. Thanks for listening