Rhode Island Finale and Brian's Actions

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I was telling Szie this other day that like Animal prints are going to come back. You did tell me that. and yeah, I think they are officially back. They're officially back. dollars. They're fifteen dollars on Amazon. We're on a budget. We got twins coming. Yeah.p the link. literally. No, but I think Deer print doough print, you know? like Yeah I said cow prrint is gonna come back. Wait, what is doough print dear It's like light brown. It's with a little bit of wh blue kind of. But like fax, right? Because we don't want little baby deer. Y one hundred percent fa. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Not Bambi. Yeah No, not bambi. Yeah. No, I'm still pregnant, but we did have one baby flip The wrong baby, the one that I don't need to be flippp. But she's flipp, baby B His head down, baby A still They in the ribs. And the other one's gonna flip orr I one or two We were hoping she will. I'm still seeing my My magician, chiropractor who's he got one. He got one. I literally came back and I was like Is it crazy? Is it So we have the names picked out mostly because like River really latched ono them. We really liked a couple names And then we're like, we're going to try it out. As River if she can say the names. She hasn't stopped saying the nam. so we're Now we're like pop comm. P commomm. Yeah. it is it crazy? Now one of the names is, you know, There's we have some family elements to the names. Onene of the names has a family element for Nallally's family. O One of the names has a family element for my family based off of the ultrasound pictures that we've gotten We've already decided who's Which one? The one that looksver Because the one that looks more like River is we've named after my family. I love this. whichich is maybe crazy because they're based off of forty ultrasoundes that are, you know, mostly accurate. but one does look a lot like rivers And the other baby looks like a Greek goddess. Could it change when they come out? baby B comes out and looks more like River than you thought, then are you going to swap the names feel like we would have to, right? That's kind of what I've been saying this whole time is is If Baby B comes out and that's the one that has Rivers' nose Yeah And she comes out and we're like, oh my God, it looks just like River Dad. Like that's it's got to be the right one alsoso the other day, I was like you know, after my dad passed, I was like, I really want to like incorporate something for him and the names You know, and I was like, Nick, what if we did two middle names? And he was like, that just feels really. I have two midd names.. I do. Yeah. What are they? Conniella Ak Vaalley. So Connieella was the Hawaiian name that my parents chose, but Ak Valley is my mom's maiden name. L. But I think the look of two middle names is cool because then you can abbreiate it, so it's just in KA You know sound schoolool. Yeah. I think reconsider. I don't know. But then Nick was like, well, every time we go somewhere, someone's like with River They're like, oh, you know, what's her name? And it's like River Rose. I'm like, yeah, but once we have three kids, we're not gonna to be like given first and middle for each kid. isy say River Rose, they might. I really wanted to give The one that had like that was part of my family lineage Yeah. Like the piece to my dad and Nick was like, wow, you're really splitting them up.ike you're really drawing aart line. I get one. One's your baby and one very parent trap. you know cases divorce. Yeah, one' move to London live in the countryside. H an accident Yeah. Well, we have a episode lined up for you. The iconic Kaylor Martin from Love Island seeason six joins us to talk all about Love Island catch up with Kaylor, what's going on in her life these days Obviously, she and the rest of the season six cast was so pivotal in the success that we are now seeing with loveove Island. So it will be great to catch up with Kaylor. Certainly get her insight on what's happening inside the villa. No one knows the behind the scenes better than obviously the cast members themselves. So we're very excited talkal to Kaylor. We also obviously have crazy finale of the Ryal Housewives of Rhode Island. Boy, we love we love a camera pickup. love a camera pickup. I mean really just like a news anchor opening a mug shot. Did anyone see, did we know about this? I saw it, but I was confused. I really didn't. I think I did see the mug shot of Brian, but I guess I don't know. I thought it was I thought it was honestly, thought it was old it's old. Yeahah, that's what I think I did. becausecause you saw it for a second and then it just kind of like disappeared. So you didn't really like hear anything about it. For him to be at that dinner table trying to sell the entire cast at this like, yeah, I'llmit to it, but it's in the past and we're working on this marriage. only for him to cheheat harder Yeah track your own wife. justust so you can know when she's showing up so that you can like hide the mistress underneath the desk is crazy. Someone would keep his ego and pride aside. not her. Some would say. Well, don't forget that Vow Files pllus is available and ad free. In addition to add free episodes of Vow Files pllus, you also get amazing content like our reality recap, deeep dive into all things Love Island. I think we talk about Sydney Sweeney and Scooter Braun dating. We also get into the impact of AI and how that's going affect potentially the world going forward. We have a fun spirited conversation And I hope that you guys all enjoyed it. And if you want to, go to vs dot com to sign up. you'll be glad that you did. Lots get into. But obviously with Love Island, we are catching up from episodes lots of episodes that cover over the weekek. Ba went home sadly. So sad And I actually I really was not expecting that at all. Like I expected Jin and Gabe to be paired up for America to do that, but I did not expect an elimination an elimination. Yeah. It listen up, Baya quickly became one of my favorites because she seemed to be like so emotionally grounded and so like she just made so much sense. And I really every time she sat down with someone, I really I really appreciate her because she seemed like the type of person who really cared about her peers and she seemed to be not Things didn't get to her as much, but it may you know, I don't know if how much producers had a say in this. obbviously with the votes, they, you know, behind the scenes, they're obviously navigating storylines and things like that. But On some level, it makes a lot of sense that maybe from a love violence standpoint, producers felt like she was Almost. emotionally mature and two grounded where they She maybe wasn't giving them the reactions that they wanted. and I wonder if that maybe played a role in her exit because she was almost like to secure with herself in a way that you, you know, is great from a human standpoint, but from a reality TV standpoint, it's like we would can you give us a teier? Right. She's a great role model though. She is a great role model. Great role model. And I will say it's giving u Game of Thrones, yourour favorite character can die at any moment. And it's like it's a way for the producers to show us like your votes count Like what you're doing, like you can save your favorite people and I think it gets people really emotionally invested. Two heavy hitters went home, like already and it's It's just like, Yeah, it's kind of like sick and twisted, but at the same time, like it gets me E emotion invested,'m, o, well, I will download the app. L if you to that I was going to be in the finale, I would have been like, yeah, that for sure sense. Yeah. And the fact that she's the second one to go home is shocking. I know. I do have another substack that's coming out tomorrow. I hope you all enjoy it and read it and check it out. It's titled Am I the problem. You know, I obviously I got the idea from Melanie I think Melanie is one of the most important characters of this season. And the reason why is like I don't things have happened so fast, but like it was the first or second episode where Melanie very just honestly, one of the most honest things you can say. and admit when she was like, I, you know, with some version of like, I think people just get sick of me Oh ye. like such a vulnerable thing. and I don't know about you guys, but like when she said that, like I felt that in my chest. you know, I don't, you know, like I I have a type of personality that like isn't Always for everyone and like Throughout my life, I have like had versions of you know, that's their problem, other people's business other people's opinions of me none of my business. but at some point you know, we sometimes have to face the feedback Yeah that is received us. But like a reason why I think Melanie is so important because in the first few episodes, we saw the whole character arc of hers because not only did Melanie say that quickly got to see for Melanie some examples of why maybe people in her past I've gotten sick of her Yeah. And then we got to see Melanie sit down with with sincere. And like here, sinceere like just explained to her like what frustrated her. And Melanie listened and she took accountability and she acknowledged it and she like faced it. And that granted, she's had those ups and downs, but like, That kind of to me, a Melanie is going to be have more success in this world because yeah, she, you know, feels and has sensitivity, but she is willing to hear people. Anyways, I wrote a whole substack about like just kind of That mental journey that we have to go through and like our personalities, what is our baseline of our personality versus like you know that balance between having the confidence to like know who you are, move forward and that balance of actually listening to the feedback that you get from people. Well, I'm curious. I'm not trying to spoil the substack, Do you think people ch based on feedback from others. Basically not to give anything away. It's I think it's a general balance. I think you have to like, you know, you have to find that balance in life of knowing when Listen, like Not everyone's going to like me. I can't You know, like it's there's the cook who like will like are the person in a relationship that shows up and and is like, what do you want What can I do for you? What do you want to eat? Where do you want to go? Is everything okay? And like that's, you know, that's the person who like is the people pleaser, right? And there's a cost to like pleasing everyone And the flip side of that is the person who like No substitutions. You know, it is what it is, you know, which is fine. And maybe that's Maybe that's who you are, but eventually people will stop or, you know, showing up you know And it's that balance of knowing like who are the important people in your life? Because at the end of the day, like you can't please everyone, but you do have to make sure that you're not using that language, the people you really care about, the people, your friends You know, the the friend that you haven't talked to in a while and maybe you blame them because, you know, it's there's been that distance, but asking yourself like You know, what role could have I have played? And that's why wrote I appreciate about Melanie is that she's always, you see her effort Right? And with sincere, you don't like, you don't really know how much he cares because, you know, when he's sitting in front of you he seems to say what you want to hear. Melanie, if you're in a relationship with Melanie, there might be highs and lows, but you know she cares about you. And I can tell you like in our relationship, knowing Feeling Nallally's love is the thing that matters most to me. when like When we're if we're down bad, if we're in disconnect, I You know, knowing that person still cares. We've all been in relationships where you're like, I don't think they like me anymore. You know, like I don't even know if they give a fuck. And if you don't think that other person gives a fuck, there's nowhere to go with. And someone like Melanie, there might be like highs and lows. you might get frustrated, but like knowing someone cares is so important in a relationship. and then her just learning how to manage those moments you know, is kind of like the the journey of life. Like I've realized a lot of things about myself And I'm still like, you know, I still work on it. That baseline of who I was as a high school kid, like I've done a lot of work on him, but like that That person' still inside me Yeah. you know, So it's a lot of that. Natalie, have you read this one have And is he the problem He's never the problem at. He's never ever the problem. It's so funny because I I'm obviously like very hormonal right now. So I can be like a bit of a bitch, you know? in moments And just some quick little snippets. Yeah have a lie for the record. Yeah, doesn't last long, does not last long at all. okay. But I imagine what Nally's going through is like the way I see Nally move right now or like struggle with hern it reminds me when I was on Special forces and I was literally suffering Literally I was suffering the last four days and every moment was like just get to the end J just get to the end And I see when I see Nallally suffering, it reminds me of the last few days of spepecial forces, but she has like weeks and months of it. So like its it's totally It's totally accepted inv valid and okay, mayabbe. it. Was there a moment that you thought of? I don't know. what did I say to you the other day And you said something about like my tone or my attitude. and I was like, yeah, well, like I don't really care. And then you just like walked over and gave me a kiss and I was like, Oh S did? Yeah. worse. I was like, what's with your tone? She's like what's What what is with it? Deal with it. I'm like okay. Yeah. Turns out you just need a little kiss. that needs a little love.. All I gott to say is give me tang becauseuse I'm going to be reading the ess.ive me I'm reading it as well. We have obviously a lot of love Island to get into, but I I'm worried about Casey, and I'm worried about him in a way that like I just don't I'm not saying overall, he's not just a fine swell guy, but he seems to move more like the rest of the boys than we wanted to believe, I think, I don't know. I think he's doing Anya dirty a little bit and leading I on. In a way that feels a little uncomfy. You guys have kind of swayed me because I was like, I don't know. I think maybe he's just like his interest has been piqued a little bit and he doesn't want to act on it. Like at first I was like Well, he was really intrigued by his soul, but then he didn't act on it. but you know, we kind of at and you guys kind of you know, reminded me that the way he spoke with Soul, it was kind of like no these guys make telling the truth look so painful and difficult and it's just like Kenzie goes to Corbyin. We kissed. Yes. Okay. respectable. Moving on. Yeah. just fucking say it out loud. notot like Well, I mean yeah, but only like they're always downplaying the truth or avoiding the truth And it's just like so unnecessary. You're being recorded. Yeah. You're on a TV show Right And the fact that they know they're being filmed and I know you always talk about how quickly and as you know, like they forget that cameras are being. you know, are on them, but they know it's a TV show and like they just can't just be up front. It's shocking and it just it shows To me that just says like how easy it is for these guys to just avoid the truth or talk around the truth and things like that. Obviously we'll get into it when we have Kaylor on the show and dive deep into the v Kaylor. and it's going to be are there any maybe like at challenges and stuff, but when they're just lounging around the Are they like full cameramen with no? Are they fully relying on the like little hidden cameras? I It's a full.'s good I think it's hidden camera. But I asse it's both. Yeah I also have work class. And yeah, I'm very curious about that as well. because yeah, I'm like, do they just not think that they're being recorded? I don't know Honestly, I used to I used to think that guys had like been with girls that were like so crazy that they were like taught not to lie or to lie to hide. Yeah to like avoid conflict. and like I didn't want you to get mad. I didn't want to get mad guys. And and I dated several guys that were like my ex so crazy. I couldn't tell or anything. I'm like different likeike you can tell me, you know. And then watching these shows, I'm like, I actually don't know that any of these women were ever like that.ike I'm like, what came first the chicken or the egg? You know what I mean? Like I've never started a relationship where I'm like going to get angry with somebody for just being honest. But once you like to me, it's like once you lie, especially at the beginning, it's like I have such a hard time like overcoming that and like getting past that because I'm like, wait, now I actually don't know your character or your where your values are and like I don't I don't know. I feel like with guys I'm just like Are they actually traumatized and this is like a defense or is it like Are they just like this? That's to make the healed guys dangerous. Yeah. The healed ones. The healed ones. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like what? Sierra say her quote on Aftersun. Guys are so obsessed with the title of being a good guy that they forget to exhibit the characteristics. Literally, I just it's so frustrating. I've been with somebody before who was so caught up on like You think this of me, you think this of me, you think this of me. I'm like, well, where have your actions been to lead me otherwise. Like I don't understand why people are so obsessed with being like seen as this nice guy when it's like, just be a nice guy And don't be afraid of Like if you're KC, like Bure, but talk about it. orr even if you're not explaining, be like, yeah, my interest wasiqued and like, she's beautiful and whatever, but like I'm locked in on you. Like I don't understand where this obsession with like looking like a nice guy but not acting like one is coming from. And just like if you're Melanie, it must be very frustrating and they use the word gaslighty because of the connotation behind it. But like it's got to be confusing to sit with sincere And and, you know, the way he was like, I wanted to be like paired with Melanie, No, you didn't. didn't, You wanted to be paired with soul and just acknowledge that and admit it and move forward. you know, but the way you to Melanie is got to be incredibly confusing because that you know, we've all been in those relationships where you like someone, you're obsessed with them, you don't know why you're drawn to them. But like if it's not going to work out, you kind of want the let them you want them to let you go. Oh yeah. and Sincere won't let Melanie go. Yeah. Like she wants to be freed of this obsession and he won't allow it to happen. And he calls that Yeah, he calls that like you will honesty or sympathy and it's anything but. Anyways, we'll obviously get into it. When we have Kaylor on coming up shortly, but before we do, got some headlines to get into. We got Tyra Banks is suing Netflix. Not our Netflix. Unfortunately our Netflix, yes Which is crazy because she's suing them for defamation claiming that sixixteen minutes of her lengthy interview was used in the Doccus series and that the clips were stripped of context and reassembled to support a false and defamatory narrative unrelated to what she actually expressed. First of all, Tyber Banks, you come from this world. You were the one a part of clipping and stripping context Y way been doing this. You've been doing this. Some of the models were like, welcome to America's nextxttop. like That's what happened to. Literally. They should all be suing America's Xtop model. Right. Like it's I do find this crazy. I saw one response of Ty' being like If I would have known that they were gonna ask me about like Miss. Jay being in a coma and me not visiting in the hospital, like it's because I was living in Australia for the last two and a half years Mam Lights exist. Ma'am, ma'am. We're gonna to have to run that one back. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she can afford a first class class. Yeah. I saw someone say just release all the footage of the three hour interview because the implication is that maybe Tya lacks a self awareness that maybe many of us hope that she has and she doesn't realize what she's saying. So just air all three hours of the footage. with the implication that like it's not going to look any better for M M. Her team is saying that she participated in the documentary series because she believe viewers deserve a candid conversation about the show's legacy It's success and it's shortcomings. and then they said There are aspects of the show for which Ms. Banks takes accountability, and she wanted America's next time model viewers to hear that from her directly. So I think they're implying that she did do more. but I mean you allall watch the documentary.. C on our podcast and tell your whole version of the story if you want to. orr you going alive, you know, there's nothing stopping her from from I do think there's a world where she probably did take accountability. And like, I mean, you watch the documentary and you're like, wow, it's like wild that she said it the way she did, but there probably was more to it, you know? But also that quote about Miss Jay being in the hospital. that tells me everything I need to does say lot. You know I do wonder though as crazy as it sound is is there precedent of of this type of interview style And the fact that like you, if you're gonna interview someone, show the whole thing, but like I don't know if that will s. I don't know. I don't know I guess it honestly depends. probably depends on what was actually said. You know, if it was what all they Yeah like if it was truly manipulated in a way. ame her then sure, maybe she's got a case. I don't know. But they going make a judge and a jury like watch the three hour footage. I'll do it. Yeah. Beause also it's like, why would you watch it and you're like, whyy did she participate in this? You know what I mean? Right. So that's where I kind of think, mayaybe she was under a different impression or like said other things. I mean, I think that's always the case when you have when you're doing a doc like this, you have your truth you know, everyone came in with their truth You know, and then the, you know, the people making the documentary. It's just like a reality TV show. I was, you know, it's just like Anyone who's ever watched me on this podcast on a real TV show. You saw a version of me. And know, if you talk to a reality TV producer, they will tell you that the people they see on the screen or the people they meet in person If you actually talk to reality TV star, they're like, no, no, like you're only seeing parts of me. That's not who that's not all of me you see. they and they're both true. Yeah, right? Like And I mentioned in the essay, like my whole life,'ve the way I've want people to receive me and the way I've showed up, there's often been a gap between how I want to come across and how I've come across with people. And reality TV didn't invent that gap You know what I'm saying? Like I've been that person in high school where I meant this. whyy didn't you receive it this way and And then I go on reality TV and I feel that kind of disconnect, you know? And now I still feel like you se you've only seen snippets of me. You don't get the whole picture, things like that, which is true. Yeah. But also when you're filming a reality TV show, they can't air everything. There's many people's stories they have to tell and share. And so they're trying to capture the main essence of who you are people making these shows will say like I've hung around you enough. I have enough footage of like, yeah, there might be nuance, but like this is This is who you are. and then there's truth to both. Yeah. and it might also be like this is also the most interesting of who you are, not necessarily the most interesting and maybe not to yourself, but like to the public, like We don't really care about I mean, I would love to see what Tyra said. but I feel like for the most part, like whatever she maybe feels like she was remorseful about, like I'm sure everyone's like, we don't care. Like give us give us the interesting stuff, which is probably the sixteen minutes that they put in, you know Yeah, she probably had a bunch of context of like why she did what she did or why her thought press was was this or that. And if you're one of the models, you're like, I don't Are you still You still ruined my life. I still had to get years of therapy or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So like the context or your explanation Tyra doesn't really land with me. And I imagine people making that doc were like Bsitslls.llshit, you know like, let's put this in there. So like I would I would gather that if we watch that three hours of videos, most of us wouldn't have our opinion changed. But Tyra could be watching it and being like, see, I said that. and I did this and I said this and but this is what I meant and this I didn't mean this and it's just like I know. And that's kind of the story of life I think she should go live. I think she should She should get ready with me. I would watch it. I would watch it. Oh I would lock in. Yeah. Yeah. and then she can save it and post it to feed. Yes. twenty three minutes Have you guys been following the on a separate topic? like Mormon W stuff this weekend I saw I saw we got Jordan hang out with Taylor at a concert. Cape Cudy concert Andall we got Jesse Dud doing some photo ups The fake paparazzi photos Yeah. I don't People make such a big deal about the fake paparazzi photos. And do we always know they're fake? Or is it a papparazzi photo or is it just like a day in the life stuff? Well, I think with Jesse, it was like my friend who the. And it was like we're doing this whole bit and then they released the like behind the scenes footage of them like walking out And it's like what's the problem with that?y whyy do we care so much? I just think some people believe that papparazzi photos are always real I don't know, living in LA.,'m like every paparazzi photo to me is somewhat staged, which isn't true. I will say, Nick and I definitely proble them Nick and I went to the farmers market on Sunday And there was some paparazzi there U and we're walking with River. obbviously, we're like Oh, this is, you know, we don't want otos of iver. But there's also this I believe a California law saying that paparazzi can't sell photos with Kids in it Is it just like they can't show their face or not entirely sure. Well this because Nick, we were talking about this and it reminded me of the photo that recently came out of Kylie Jinner And she's walking with Stormy and she's like covering her face with her bag and the photo' out there and everyone's like, why wouldn't you cover your kid's face? And I'm thinking like, well, maybe if she thought this They couldn't show it. Yeah like then she's like, I'll just cover my face that you can't use this photo anyways. We were walking the Paparazzi guy took some photos, and then you know, You see them and they're, you know, they're Sometimes a lot of them are nice. you know, they're doing their thing and they'll say thank you or they'll say hi. This paparazzi had a t shirt on. He's like, Hey, look at my t shirt And he's like, he's like, donon't worry I didn't take a picture of your kid, which was like, okay, you know, I don't know how you didn't because we're with her. We're with her. And his shirt was his shirt said no, it was like a statement about no no kids for paparazzi, whatever. And we're like, cool, man. Anyways, but we were like we talked to this paparazzi I don't know, for twenty thirty seconds If someone took a photo of us talking the paparazzi, it definitely and then these photos came out, it definitely could look like it was some kind of' like, Hey we're gonna to walk down past the watermelon. Yeah. You kid us. You're putting your lip gloss on. I do think that happens some like ye for sure. I do think that happens. Also for all the people freaking out about Taylor with Jordan Is it kind of weird to see? sure becausecause Jesse has been one of the few like staunch supporters of Taylor throughout this all this drama that Taylor's going through. It's almost feels like maybe a betrayal of Jesse from Taylor Again, I think we sometimes lose sight of the fact that like, despite all the drama, these people know each other been working with each other inside a life of drama. Wa I don't feel like this is Taylor with with Jordan. We don't know for sure. I thought it was. I think it is. It starts with showing No, I do not think this is her. All the comments are like, that's not her. That's not her.it So's not her. It doesn't look like. I don't think it's her Can I see the phot? it looks like.ere's a video It like is a brunette with sunglasses. L Literally looks like her. I feel like that's her. I don't think it is guys. Oh That's not like Okay, so it may or may not be her. Well, if someone said she's wearing jeans. Taylor doesn't wear jeans. she wears sweat pants. Okay. So for argument's sake, let's say it was her. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I think there's a good If they showed up together, picked each other up, that would be a maybe a little odd. But if they maybe went to the concert, saw each other and like had a conversation, sat down and talked, I just don't think that that's they said it's a different girl. No way. Oh, it's not even Taylor. Wow. Well, I was gonna say I just say if If it were a big deal, I think we would hear about it from Taylor or Jesie. Yeah, I was gonna say I feel like Jessie would be posting like live literally, we would have we had the flowers that Jessie sent Airanda after she called her Airanda posted the flowers. You know, like these women We would know. We would know. One way or the other. Yeah. They don't run from a story. No or a headline. They create them. They do.. I just don't think it's like I just think seeing these people with other people isn't immediate like, oh my go, something's going on. Yeah. Maybe they just like ran into each other They still are familiar faces when you're surrounded by people who aren't. You know, like there is that common ground likeike you run into someone at from the Bachelor franchise, whether you've had beef or not Like unless it's like serious beef, like there is always going to be a familiarity with them about like You know, especially when you're surrounded by people who aren't, you know, who might want access to you that you don't want to give access to them. L I just don't think it's that Big of a deal when you see these people together at any given time I don't think it's always something nefarious. I don't know. I think what we have learned about Taylor is that she is a good friend And she knows obviously what sure. Jordan is very close with Dakota And I do not think she would be sitting on a thing. No that would have been wear. but by Jordan. Even if she saw him and she was like, I know nobody else here, Taylor would sit alone. You're absolutely right. I'm just saying If for some reason someone got caught in a photo situation, I think we sometimes have to be careful to jump to conclusions and make a bunch of accusations against if it was Taylor And I don't think all the things you're saying about Taylor would be immediately discounted if if she was like, ye, no, I ran into him. I talked to him a little bit. She probably told Jessie afterwards right away. You know what I'm saying? L There always could be more of the story. Yeah. Do you guys have an embarrassing paparazzi story? Like sometim where you're like, oh, I really wish I didn't catch me there. I mean, I've seen a couple photos of me like shoving a sandwich in my face at no talk about the one of you holding of you letting Vanessa hold all the groceries. There was co' like on your phone. I got I co hosted TMZ last week, which was kind of fun new experience. And one of the stories was about Millie Bobby Brown Millie Bobby Brown. And her her partner was like photographed pushing the stroller. No Mill was No Millie was pushing the stroller and it seemed like he was just like hands free And then when we werere going through the stories, I'm like, you guys You guys have a photo of me that you guys covered years ago of me holding all of Vanessa holding all the groceries Which was very embarrassing. But the context was like we were at the grocery store and she was like, she literally goes, I haven't worked out today. I want to carry all the bags. And I wasn't thinking at all. I'm like, yeah, cool, no problem.. And she's car great, I got a couple text She' was carrying like five bags of groceries and I'm just walking beside her just like a gentleman being like, you got this? I was mortified. You needed a t shirt, that was like, she needs to workout.ich was actually even crazier as the skinny jeans I was wearing in that photo, whichich was even more crazy. More criminal. c. It was like you know, like the ripped jeans. Yeah, tights. Re tight. Were they like cuffed? Oh, you got cuffs right nowere they like cuffed at the bottom and like a little bit high No No, I like the. Oh, you've got cuff Oh, we haven't grown out of that one. H you are wearing them now. These are tap not skinny though. No No, there's a different on' And they're rolled up and they're like a little, it's not quite a maybe it is a capapri. Oh B I don't know Is this too Capri? No It's it's because you're sitt was akay. Perfect. fine.. Yeahah, they're not skin. Forget what I said. No, I'm just kidding. totally joke. There's a photo that Chambla sends me all the time and it's of me, I think maybe like the week before I gave birth to River and I'm just like wearing er shorts and like a crop top and my belly's out and it's me, my mom and Nick walking across the street and I have never looked just like Biger, swollen. Well was what was the caption on the photo? I have no idea, but she sends it to me all the time. of just like like checking in. Did she ever send it as a sticker? Oh my God. No that was good idea Yeah. Send it to me. to you. We also had Amanda and Kyle walking out of the in the city reunion Everyone is up in arms about Hands together smiling as if these people don't deserve any joy in their life whatsoever. R Like so much so that they made Kle have to do a clearing up video of like here's the context behind this. because I guess people were thinking, oh, it was leaving the in the city reunion. So everyone was like, o, it must not have been like that hard hitting of a reunion. in the photo, they're like literally smiling. Yeah. And they're calling it staged, but like again, maybe it was staged, but like there are definitely going to be paparazzi in New York City camping out out. They know when the reunion being filmed for this one specifically too And Kyle literally said we were walking down together. We were leaving at the same time and we were laughing in the elevator about like, oh, could you imagine if there was a paparazzi outside Like what that would look like and they open the door and boom, there's a paparazz. they get a photo so that. Now they must have paparazzi, we're probably gonna be outside. so that might be slightly disingenuous, but nevertheless see it being real though, you know, if it was it was like a back door, I didn't see the pictures. Yeah, kind of. Like maybe they didn't know. I don't know. I mean Listen, like in between all the drama, again, these people like they are Yeah living real lives and you can be mad at someone We know that Kyle still has a lot of love and respect for Amanda desespite what you think of everything going on, they were together for ten years. They were married. likeike that's what's going on right now as bad as it is doesn't justify like Kyle canceling Amanda from his life. Like that's just not how shit works. And like that was a conversation we were having with Sierra whenever, you know, the whole like is Wes sociopath. And I was like, I just feel like I said that's kind of a lazy take. And I guess my point is is like in life, you know, we love talking about this drama, but the reality is We all do versions of this. It's like To call everyone who does something incredibly selfish, who can't see other people's points of view in the hey of the moment is something we all do. And to call all those people like narcissist or sociopath, I think not only like is kind of a lazy take, but I also I don't think it protects us the way we have to protect ourselves because like it's one thing to try to avoid all the sociopaths and narcissists of which there's not as many as we think about. But like the truth is it doesn't protect us from realizing that generally good people can get in their own way, cannot in any given moment, not see other people's side of things. like I think it's a bullshit for what West is doing blaming it on the show, right in terms of like, oh, it's just a show That doesn't mean it's completely his point of view is completely untrue in the sense that like, I'm sure he does tell themselves it's just a show. We are dealing with a franchise that like does scenes Right? They notot everything they say is completely authentic. They do have like input from producers. They do lean into storylines. Now that doesn't discount the human of emotion of what like Sierra has felt, you know,, you know, going after West all these years. It can be both real for her. And it can still and you can still have a cast member on the cast kind of like discounting the experience because like, They're talking to producers and they're doing scenes. You know, Do that make sense to you? am I making sense? Yeah. and also it just kind of you saying that made me think of like so many people from the Bachelor worldld Their experiences are so different. L so many a lot of people from the cast that I've been on will fully say that like people that I know or like we're friends with or like we're in relationships with like they were a producer plant The whole thing was a producer plant and I'm like No, it literally wasn't. Like it's literally not that, but some people in the same cast as me will have such a different experience that they will think something is so fabricated and untrue. and I'm like, wait, no, because it's my experience and It was real. So the fact that somebody can think this is so produced or so manipulated But they're walking away from it with a totally different experience than me And so it's like, it's kind of the same thing. It's like two people could have the same experience at the same place and have wildly different perspectives. Well speaking and speaking of different experiences, now you have Lindseay on threads about She's going in. I mean, she started with the paparazzi photos where she jumped in and clarified like we were all going to get food after so on and so forth. And then now she's jumping in Responding to Wes Wilson West What a bold thing for him to get on his podcast and say that he hopes the Kicks lose. so that way they go to game six and they play in New York City on Tuesday night at the exact same time that his bonus episode that he did participate in and like Lindseay said, is getting paid for s and he wants everyone to watch the Kicks instead of that bonus episode. I an inside thought Literally outside thought. It's a group chat text. It's like not for your podcast. Lindsy's threads outside thoughts. But at the same time, I don't think he is threatening her job Well, he did remember when he went on that podcast and he said that she like there's no world in which after she has a baby, she'll come back to summer house.ure That's just one person's opinion. he's not a producer. He doesn't have a say. A lot of us wondered how Lindsay was going to participate in suummerhouse going forward. you know, Is she saying he's coming for her job because he's like not wanting the views on the the show Is that?a of esssentially. Yeah It's kind of like listen like she sang a lot. I mean, she she every hour there's a new thing. So the first thing she said was like One, West we'll send your trash trying to get people to not watch our show. that I brought you on you should move immediately, which is in the city. Tw, I haven't seen Tuesday's aftermath episode, but I feel it in my bones it is good Three in the city is just heating up. you're half the way, ho shit, what a roller coaster. For our in the city reunion was so good. We have we might have parts I'm on Carl's Podcast on Tuesday. That was the first batch. The second batch was Good morning, hope everyone slept well last night. I know I did woke up with some more thoughts if anyone cares. One, maybe Wes Wilson should go in his podcast and publicly apologize to me for using my daughter as clickbait and as a decoy to distract from the secret relationship with Amanda Instead of talking shit about the show, he was so fortunate for me to put him on, two, West has tried to threaten my career as last show now three times, and it's quite frankly disgusting. No other words to describe it And then three, I guess first was when he was on a podcast after I hadjemma and told everyone, there's no way I could come back to somehere house We should have known then he's not smart, but here we are Th then with his diabolical decision making skills to manipulate Amanda into dating him and threaten the status of our friend group and future of the show, and now trying to get people to watch Tuesday's episode that he participated. And so that's the whole next thing. I mean, she's gone on also to like talk about how he manipulated Amanda. So there's every hour there's a new And fans are mad that Lindseay is suggesting that Wesam manipulated Amanda? Yeah There's some people that are saying she's empathizing with Amanda, therefore giving into the victimization narrative. right A manana can be both wrrong and manipulated by West. that can Both can be true. Both can be true. and it doesn't need be a shitty friend and a shitty partner to Kyle and also you can still manul you can still hold a man accountable and be like, he might have done this. you still should have known better. Yeah. And now that we're bringing it to your attention Deinitely you know move different. You could still choose to move different. A man is still choosing not to move differently. so she can still get criticism for that, but that We don't have to ignore the reality of this situation And it's like why why are people so committed to making sure that Amanda is like properly critiqued and criticized and canceled while while like letting West off the hook. I don't understand why we're so obsessed with making sure that Amanda doesn't survive this that we want the way we allow West to, you know, It's also the same post where Lindsey literally says, yes, Amanda is a grown ass woman and makes her own big girl decisions and yes, she needs to deal with those big girl consequences. So it's like She also criticizing Amanda It's just in the same post she says about West or whatever the fuck is hot dog smelling at. I'm quite looking to forward to a manag in the city reunion performance because obviously she knows how poorly it landed the first time. Very rarely do we have like a second opportunity for someone to kind of maybe Hopefully not be on the beta blockers or whatever she was and hopefully She'll just she will have a lot more oxygen because you, you know, Sierra won't be there As much as we might want Syer to be here, maybe Amanda will Again, this is not we're not blaming Sierra for this, but Amanda might want feel more comfortable explaining her relationship with Westmore. I I'm sure we won't agree with any of it But I am curious about how Amanda now months later, who is still with West, explain that relationship. Yeah. And again, like I want to hear Amanda explain the whole thing kind of like almost like Tyra Banks, justust let her talk Yeah just, you know, And uninterrupted, you know, let Amanda just talk and I don't think A manana is going to make much sense, but I do want do I want to hear A mana explain it uninterrupted You know, Was When was this bonus episode filmed? Do we know? Right after the reunion? Oh right after Yeah. I need something right now. You know what I mean? I'm like, give us Well it was tonight. I guess it's in the city reunion is that? Yeah that reun. we'll have to wait for that ch. I know. I know. It's like I need my whole half within the city season to go. Yeah. Well it is shocking that they already filmed the reunion Right? It might be a shorter season. I don't know how long in the city is, but Well, Rhode Islandion is only two parts. I was shocked to see it was only a two partter. I am shocked that it is two parts not I imagine that in the city will be also two parts, you know, it being a first season. mayaybe that is, you know, maybe it's because there's not as much history to go off of. I don't know. I mean, if Lindseay's bringing this energy, I want to watch. I'm here for it. Lindseay also, by the way said Meanwhile, West is still out with other girls and still talking to his other girlfriends, like a true fuck boy So I don't know if that's true, but she's alleging that he's not faithful to manand anyway. You know what I really want to see on Love Island and we're about to bring Kaylor on the show, But like, you know, we had Sierra. Literally on the show, we have Kita. big fan of Smmer House. Kita who's watching She's watching Summer House.. I want to see A West Wilson reference Like I want to see Wes Wilson become the verb that is like how these guys in modern dating mo. I want to see like Kata be like who's who who' a fan of summer House who's' who like she kind of implied that she's been like locked and loaded and watching the whole whole summer House drama unfold you know, if if I'm someone like if I'm in the villa who's been obsessively watching Summer House and breaking this all down and then like watched the guy like Sincecere move the way Sincecere iss moving, which is like again, that kind of like, I'm a good guy and I'm sweet and I don't mean any harm and I'm willing to talk through but you know, any problem with you, but not actually look at his own actions and how it's affecting the feelings of other people. Like I would be great to see, you know, a little cross marketing between like the peacock franchises And like like make Wes Wilson b. Yeah. I wouldn't want to bring him in. I'd be like, this is Sira's safe space., bring him Not bring him in, but I'm like I would want to bring the energy of him in. I would be like, he's not a mention. we have other people in the world. Truly. Leave him out here. 'causeuse then she's gonna to have to talk about an aftersun and be like, oh, when you reference and And it's like I think Sierra is more than capable. I think she' does, but I think she's living her best life. She is, yes But I don't but I't want to give her I don't know. Yeah ag She looks so good in that brown dress. Her andnt Tffy. Yeah. Honestly, they were like I think they are perfect for aftersight Yeah. V cute like the way yeah. It makes more sense the way it's set up this year too. Yeah. U Wait, breaking news. TamMsZ just reported West was not picked up for the next season of the Bravo showh will not return when cameras start rolling in July. I' honestly shocked I'm not. honestly, like There was I didn't see it. I didn't see the Just like he didn't see how Lindseay Hubbard was going to be a mom and on Shere else, I did not see how he was going to make it back. But also like what would be the purpose of him coming back Like Yeahah, like what is your you don't have a relationship with these people. You have lied to all of their faces. Like who wants to be who wants to party you L like it's such an intimate show where these people are living together eating meals, like they're doing everything together and it's like it would almost be imposs Rom. As much as we've been obsessed with this, we all just probably want to move on from this. That's what I was Sierra probably certainly wants to move on from this. And I guess if if Wes showed back up It would almost be It would be It's like it would be like if someone like is under some scandal Yeah And they reached out to us to be like, hey, can they come be a guest in the show, but they don't want to talk about the thing that like everyone's talking about and you're like, well, I can't have them on and pretend that didn't happen. Right. So like it would almost, you know, to move on from it, like you You would almost have to like they'd have to relive it and have to talk about not And it would just be weird. it could ruin the summer. I feel like Yeah, we need a little drama to keep the show going. Of course, like we need some relationship dynamics and stuff like that, but at the end of the day, You don't like start a show to revolve around drama, D drama just happens when you're having a good time Now does this mean is there a pos Do you think his bravo days are done? or do you think this is step one of removing him from somemer house Bea he makes sense on the city. It says the door isn't completely closed and it's possible he could pop up for a cameo I could see that. I mean, yeah, I can definitely see I mean, if he' Dating Amanda. Yeah. If he's with Amanda He's got to be a part of in the city Right, But is Amanda becauseuse Amanda' is not on Summerhouse moving forward maybe, right Seems unclear I don't think that we don't know that. But we do know that she's on in the city Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, it makes sense to have her boyfriend be a part of storyline. I could see Amanda not wanting to another season as well. like after going through something like this, I don't think People understand how heavy this really is. like I understand people think she deserves like this punishment and like I think to an extent, yeah, you have to like pay for the things that you've taken on, but I'm also like I don't know that I would want to subject myself to this, especially if she were still dating Wes. L I don't know. I could see her being like, I'm actually need I need a season off or I can't do this right now. It's like so I mean, look at her. She's like so and unwell, like Do we see West even wanting be a part of in this like wanting to be a part of this anymore. It's like He's got his podcast. M. I think he enjoys being a celebrity. a hundred. I think he enjoys being on TV. and I think I enjoys all the things that being on Summer House has done for him. I think he'll start recapping Summer House on his podcast. man. I think some people care more about The lifestyle, the money the illusion of what being a reality TV star is, then they actually care about their wellbeing or their relationships or their lifeves. So like I sit here and say, I don't know that shell they'll do it, but then I'm like actually, I think a lot of reality TV people place more value on that. And the last thing impression we'll have of West is this scandal and you know that Like West. doesn't see himself as this guy that we all see, right? And then you know whether you're a West or you're someone like me who has like felt like they got a bad edit. likeike the ego in you wants the second chance to come back and redeem yourself and show evenven if you made a mistake that you're You're sorry or you've learned and like that part of not being able to redeem himself I don't think this is a West choice. I guess is all I'm saying. And I think if you ever got an opportunity to come back on He would He would. yeah because what's that look like And I kind of think I also kind of think that the only way the only way to come out on the other side and actually like have a redeming story is to persevere Like I know right now it's like none of us want to hear from them, but at the end of the day, like look how many housewives have been like the biggest villains and then have come out and been like some of our favorite people. And just in general, like you're a villain one season and you're a hero the next or vice versa I think they're going to need some time to recover, but like That takes digging in and like letting people get to know you It takes saying a couple words and not being silent. Yeah Yeah. That's the other thing is he been silent. I know. ye. I can see Amanda coming back to somewhere else. Like I think that is gonna happen. I I feel like just within the city, I think Even Kyle, it's just like it's kind of like, I guess that's like people think that's the point of in the city, right It's like migrate over into City and then they had a great new cast of people on Summer House and the grow from there, you know, with Sierra being the center of Summer House. I mean, we Sierra Jessse Carl. Mia KJ Dara Dara maybe. Like Kyle can pop in and catch up with his buddy Carl, but like it does seem I don't know, mayaybe, you know, Kyle DJang and dating is I'm watching them I can watch on on in the city though, yeah, I get that Sure, but it still plays well in somehere elouse too. Yeah crazy All right, well I think Kayor Martin's here. so let's bring her on and let's dive deep into all things loveove Island Well, we've talked a lot about Nannet. We're abolutely obsessed with it. It's really been by Naly and I side. We use it every night for river. We have one at the lake. We carry one when we travel. It's the peace of mind every parent wants when you are raising a young child. With a toddler and twins on the way, Nal and I need to be a united team. That's why we love Nann ' obsess with that. We can check in on River sleep. We know exactly when one parent puts her down and maybe like Nalally has to run an errand. 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I don't know if you can see my room, but I have like the craziest New York City apartment and like disco ball. I love it. I bagine The life's been amazing, like navigating, still like being an influencer, dealing with like being online. It's been awesome And yeah, just going at it. I got it. I'm always curious is like, you know, we have Susie here who was also on the Bachelor franchise with me and it's your're two years removed. What has it been like? Do you have like which with each season like watching the You know, these people in the villa, like how much FOMO Do you experience if any at all, Is it a little traumatizing? Is a little fun? Like what is it like to like bring yourself back into the like such a life changing experience that you had. No, it's awesome. It's awesome seeing, you know, new eve Islanders go into the villa to find love and I love watching. I watching it is so fun and I think that you know, going into the villa like these islanders, yes, they're there to find love, but they're going to make friendships that they'll have forever. L I like KPG will be in my wedding someday like Rob, Kendall, I'm really close with them. So I mean, you go in find love, but if you don't find love, like people always talk about like it's not friendship. Island will, really it is because at the end of the day, like you win. if you don't win a relationship, you win amazing friends. So Yeah, it's awesome to see and I love keeping up with every season. W, that's sweet. This sweet. Well before we dive into all things going on in Love Island season eight, you are'rere you're secretly like a car girl. I didn't realize S'weeney. So you grew up into c. Yeah. so I grew up my stepdad who like basically raised me my entire life like my dad basically, he always worked as a car salesman growing up in PA and he is now a GM and a great dealership in Pennsylvania So we started like this series on TikTok. I don't know if you guys have ever seen them, but it's basically I'll go into the dealership and I'll like trade places with him for a day So like he'll try to like be an influencer and I'll like try to like work his job. Like what work do you have today? I'm like, being an influencer so hard. you know, I got a blowout, my nail is done and a spray tan and it's so funny because he'll try to use the products and then I'll try to like make the salesmen there sell cars So we had this series going on TikTok and Hurtle wax hit me up for a collab with them for their three products that I've known and my dad has used all my life. So it was just truly like for full circle, like having one a product that like my dad loves and to being able to finally do a campaign with like my dads, it's been awesome It' so sweet. Also do I need turtlebackax? Like how do I use it? I'm I'm not car girly so what do I do with it if I go buy it? So there's three different products. My favorite, there's like the all in one like there're these little wipes and you can keep them in your glove box and you can wipe like the inside of your car like the headlights someone accidentally digings your car like in the parking lot and can just buff it out with that. thoseose are my favorite because I'm always on the look on the go and Honestly, like I'll admit it like sometimes my car's a mess or like food, whatnot, like I still drive the same car I've always had my entire life, like still rep in the twenty eighteen hundred seicice So it's all banged up and like Yeah, probably still has fries under the seenat from like twenty twenty eighteen. They also have like a one and done detailer. so it's like a spray that you can you can use for the outside and inside of your car Which is great. And then they have like a hybrid solution for inside. We could send you some of those products so you can get your hands on them. Yeah, it's giving like hot girl. I always got bitched at like if I came home with like a dirty car, like my dad would would definitely bitch at me or if I brought like a guy came to pick me up and his car was filthy inside, like it's a no go. Like that's your first impression and like he's kn getting a second day Turtlewax has a survey that said seventy three percent of singles think the way someone takes care of their car reflects on how they take care of themselves. Would you agree or disagree, Kaylor? agree because I mean, if you take care of your car like if your car' a mess, what's your room look like? Like let's be real. And I think a lot of people like before like a first date will like make sure they're cars cleaned when they are picking up like their significant other or like their date they're going out on because like it's a bad first impression. like you have a like B booiled milkshake on the ground, likeike no thanks. you ever I've done the thing where you like are about to go on a date and your car's a mess and you just take everything and throw it in your trunk. That last second cleanup, you know, you throw everything in the closet. They stopping at the nearest gas station to empty it all out and like their trash can, like the po poor gas station people like Well Kaylor, what are your thoughts on the early parts of season eight of Love Island? Who are some of your favorites and who are some of the people are giving you kind of the red flags? Sincere, like let's be honest, like let's be honest. honest. sincere I honestly love Melanie. I see a lot of myself in her U it's still so early on, but I could see like her and Corbyin becoming like something like amazing likeike honestly. I know that like They just got put together and I think that Corbyn like is still a little confused about Kenzie, but I think that they could be something like amazing. And I love watching. I've love watching this season because it feels like everyone's being very organic and I haven't seen anyone like really crash out. likeike we saw that Melanie like give me ten, give me ten, give me ten. loved it Um, honestly like everyone at the beginning was like shitting on Melanie, but I'm like, Melanie is giving us television people So come on now. She really is. I love that. I love that she's crashing out on TV. That means she's authentic and she's not scared to be real. I think also After season six, like if I knew I was going into like season eight After season seven being so big and season six being so big, I would I would be freaking scared on being real or speaking my mind. So I give props to those islanders because if I was on season seven or season eight, like I would be definitely worried about like who's watching me, what the public's going to think of me because like now Love Island is just like this huge franchise. What advice would you give to the current members uh, you know, filming season eight in terms of like you know, how to move or how to navigate all the online criticism because like kind of like you implied You guys for a lot of people, season six was like the first season. That was the season that really popped. That's when Love Island USA became the phenomenon that it is And I think obviously previous seasons likeike you kind of suggested, didn't have like the same fan reactions and intensity And we all know that like obviously as great as this experience was for all of you and it's opened up so many doors There's probably been a lot of moments for you of like the highs and lows of like having to navigate, you know Fan reactions and fans criticisms, how have you been able to like continue to move forward and kind of protect your mental health while still having a relationship with your audience? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely really difficult and I still do it. Like I still like my boyfriend will always say like I'll wake up in the morning, I'll go to like my requests, like DMs and look, like it's so toxic. I should not be doing that But I guess I'm just so used to it and like I I probably shouldn't be the one giving advice here because I still see myself like doing like being toxic and like looking at those comments. but I want to know what people think and then I say that until like I really see what people think. And it's difficult, but I think as long as you stay true to yourself and you'll be good to go. And yes, everyone has something to say now. likeike everyone had something to say about me crying or taking Aaron back or things like that. but like they'll focus on something else in a week or two. So like it will be okay and people will move on. And I mean, I always say Whatever your friends and family at home like think of you and like know you as present yourself in that way. likeike that's all you need to worry about. Yeah Well I mean, people hiding behind their phone screens, like it just And I think sometimes, especially the Love Island universe, like some of the fans can be really toxic. They think that you, they know you. but like There's way more to like Melanie or Kenzie than just like what they're seeing on the violland. So I think that that's tricky too. This season, they announced that they're kind of like freezing everyone's Instagram accounts What is your opinion on that? because obviously that wasn't the case for you. It probably helps like the negative comments and things like that. But from like a creator standpoint, I'm thinking of these people who are on the love like on the show And like having a career outside of it, I'm like it would probably be more helpful for their family to post them and keep them in the algorithm and things like that. So I mean, regardless, like it probably it's definitely going to help like the hate comments and the bullies and things like that. but Someone will go on their own page and bully them by a TikTok video. So like what's a like, you know, is it really doing anything? Yeah I'll be curious if if they do get as big a following. I kind of think it's going to hinder them and I know that the show is way fun and like so many great opportunities come, but a lot of that comes from getting this big following that I'm like It's such it is it's a blessing, but it's also such a sacrifice to go on and like risk it all like that and put yourself out there that I'm like, if people are't gonna get massive followings, I don't know that it's like worth it for people to go on and, you know one thousand percent. I think that if my like if my friend like my friends weren't posting for me while I was in there, I don't know if I would have the following that I do now. I could I have no idea. L I would film TikTok drafts in Fiji whenever we were like on lockdown and it would be like different kind of songs and my friend would like post it like regarding like the episode. Like if Kaylor got fucked over, I'm posting like this TikTok of her like a bad bitch. like, you know, it just like would fluctuate. So I don't know. Yeahah, I'm interested to see that. but I mean I think someone just got Kibia just got kicked off and she's like already growing growing like crazy. So I think the Lve Island fan base regardless is so big and They'll find you and they want to keep up with you after the villa too. So we'll see. You mentioned obviously Sincere is not very sincere this season. And I'm curious like watching him when we were having a conversation before you came on about like just It seems like so many men in Love Island are, you know, it's like they have such a hard time just telling the truth. likeike For example, like you see sincere. And it seems like so weird. And it's like, I'm curious, you know, obviously your relationship with Earon, like everyone had so many thoughts and opinions of And obviously, we don't know what it's like to be in your guys' shoes when you're filming, but why like you had a front row seat to how Aaron moved. Right. Now that like that has passed and I'm sure you guys have had your conversations. and it seems like, you know, despite all his faults that deep down like Aaron is a sweet, good guy. But like it seems like now in dating It's like guys are more like It's like they want to sound nice and say the nice thing, even though it's not the honest thing. And then you have like Kenzie, for example. who like demonstrates how easy telling the truth is where she's like she's talking to Corbyn she made out with Caleb and then she go back to talk to Corbin and she's like, just, you know, we kissed. She's like so upfront about it So transparent about it. Did she tell Melanie at the cheheesekiss score? Yeah, she told Melanie. Oh, she did. Okay Yeah. I think that like ultimately another thing is like when you're in the villa, like for me I can say like It's not like you go out on a date in real life and let's say your man or someone that you're seeing, not dating, you're not exclusive yet is seeing another person and that roubbs you the wrong way H You go and you see other people. You go and get drunk with your friends You can't escape them in the villa. They're still there. So they're still there. They have more time to convince you that they like you. They have more time to manipulate you and they have more time to make you jealous. So I think all of that like kind of goes with what you asked me, like It is way tougher being in thatvilla than it is dating in the real world. And I think ultimately At least I can speak from my experience. L I knew Aaron. like Aaron was a great guy. like he was. That's why I liked him so much He just didn't own it. Like he just didn't own it. And I think that has to do with like a lot of like You know, some people like just people please and I people please and I do the same thing. We're all human. We all make mistakes. So I don't think like a decision like what Earon did or What Sincre is doing like exonerates who he is as a human being But I mean, we all fuck up and like they just might they're just on national television. so everyone's picking apart every little move they're doing. Why do you think the guys in Love Island seem to have such a harder time? with the 're're we're in a couple, but we're not committed And they seem to like just really struggle with how to move in that regard where the women seem to be more upfront about how they're moving. Why do you think that is? You know what? I have no idea. I wish I could tell you, Nick. I think that a lot of it could also do with like the chats that are being set up. likeike this is a TV show. So like there is things that are involved outside of what we're seeing. So a lot of that could be due to like production and things like that. But at the end of the day, I also will always say like anyone that wants to blame production or say anything and I'm sure you guys can agree because you've experienced reality television. At the end of the day, like you make your own decisions. like a producer can tell you to do something, but you like I've said multiple times like sorry, but like Kayor in her heart like in the rad would never do that. So I'm not going to do that. I don't feel comfortable. And also if you get about edit, like you give them ammo to give you that edit. So it's like, I mean, I don't know, it's tricky. I don't know if I can answer that because I don't even know the answer to it.peaking of like producer involvement, would you say it's more accurate that like when you say a producer tells you to do something? Is it more accurate to say that they might encourage you or suggest something But like you said, you ultimately always have the option. one thousand percent. I mean, like they're not holding a gun to your head saying like go off the costa and hook up with other girls. Like come on now. they like you make your own decisions. Sure. they'll set up chats and like who's talking to who and things like that. But like I don't even think like on a liability standpoint since there's a cash involved at the end that they can make those like, you know They can't like tell so and so to like dump that person or whatnot. Like it's it's an entire like legal thing as well. Yeah. And's kind of to your point. like they're not telling Sincere not to be upfront with Melanie about when and how many times he kissed Soul. Like that's how he responds is entirely up to him. Exactly. Now Sincere may go to the producer and like, see, I don't need to tell her then the producers may be like, Yeahah, you don't. likeike they may like, you know, but like they're not there to be your life coach. like you know. They will definitely allow you to make bad decisions if that's the the decisions and they won't stop you from being like, you sure you want to do that? Right. And that's kind of how they produce. Like, you know, we want to know what people ultimately are willing or wanting to do. And if they're so easy It's so easy for them to convince them to do the wrong thing. canan you really blame a producer for making a suggestion that like to your point, Killer you were like job. I don't I wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. likeike No doubt, like that conversation between Bryce and him pulling Kata I would guess and let me know if you would disagree, Kaylor, that that was maybe a suggestion from a producer. like, hey, you know, he probably said they probably said, who's your number two? He's probably like Kata and they're like, well, why don't you go talk to her? Like shouldh you really like, do you really want to be this closed off this early? blah, blah blah, You know, like Zach will understand Price could have been like, yo, no, that's my boy. He has a good thing. I got a good thing with Trinity. I don't want to fuck that up No one's stopping Bryce from being from doing that, but if it's that easy to convince Bryce to be like, you know what? you have a good point. I do deserve to explore myself. Like that is a then that that is a Bryce decision and you can't blame producers for that. Nick, that was perfectly saidad. Yes, Yes, compleompletely agree with you. Speaking of were you just as shocked as we were, like I honestly forgot. forgetting all that believe. Kata was the one that Bryce win for Because after episode two, when he went he rolled over for a kiss when Zach and Kata were making out and she was like, you know what, not tonight. I would have been like You're you're my cousin. Like forever like forever going forward, I will only ever see you as just a person a relative. And the fact that Bryce thought there was a there there. What he's like,, I just wanted to check in. I v' Kida like, did you not remember me like shaming you in a way that most people don't deserve to be shamed? Like what she was the way she was like so like confused Yeah that he asked that question. I don't know. I just I forgot all about that and was reminded of like that moment when he was like trying to see if there was something there. It was so wild. Yeah. know, that was definitely wild play on his end. but like like you said, it could definitely be stemmed from like people setting up chats or just like Quite literally like just being like, you haven't explored yet and they may even use sometimes the public. like, do you think the public wants you to explore more? like you never know. And when they say the public, like that's like, oh my go, like you want to please the public obviously. So it's like there's a lot of pressure I remember specifically I've never said this before when Aaron asked me to be his girlfriend like, I'm going say yes, and like the producer was like H Are you sure? like, are you sure you want to say yes? And like I shouldn't have fucking said yes. L I don't know why like I was just in this like love bubble They were definitely trying to like convince me to like stand my ground and be like, say hell no? Like you just came back from cost. like, what are you doing girl? And I was like, you know, I'm going to st true to myself and I'm still going to say yes. And I still did But I definitely should not have. But you know, the producers are also, I think They're looking at Twitter, they're looking at TikTok. like, you know, like they're seeing what everyone thinks and probably feeding into that. So So almost in a little way, you like in that moment, you also you saw the producers is almost trying to guide you in a good in a good way. that's interesting. Yes. and I was like producers aren't my friends. Like I'm not listening to you guys. like' like looking back at it. I'm like they've been looking out for me. Did you ever go back and watch your season? No, no, I haven't. which is which is like I am just waiting like for the perfect moment to like do that and like maybe I'll even like now I have my podcast like maybe I'll even do like a rewatch Okay None of us have. like we obviously see like the TikTok clips and things like that. and I had to like I had to watch Costa more for like the reunion and things like that But no, it's like, when you know, when you hear yourself like on record and you're like, I hate the sound of my voice, Well watching yourself is like ten times worse. It is like even more cringy And like I ye so I don't know. I have my own opinion about like how my season went. So I don't want to see like how it was perceived. That makes sense. that makes sense. But I think when it comes to a point where it's like shits and gigs, I will watch it and review it. So I don't know if you can answer this question from the perspective. I'm going to ask it, but I'll ask it anyways and see where it goes. But there was a moment like I thought it was really interesting spepeaking of fans involvement, right? So like We had the fan vote a couple nights ago, right where that the recoupling And the fan votes kind of went how we expected in the sense that like we were seeing a connection between Caleb and Kenzie and like that's the way the fans win. We saw like Gabe and Jen have a thing and that's where the fans went. obbviously sincere in soul ya, you know, so and so forth, right And I think obviously fans are Voting for the connections we see flourishing that like the islanders aren't leaning into. And I thought it was really interesting. after the recoupling Be like I really this thought there wasn't much there between Kenzie and Corbyin. And I thought she seemed to be really interested in Caleb. And then after the recoupling All of a sudden, we started seeing scenes of Corbyin and Kenzie. I'm like, oh shit, like no they like they like each other. there's something there But the show didn't show us that connection until after the recoupling. And I just thought it was interesting because clearly again, like We have to acknowledge that produce We should be thankful for producers because for all the like, oh are they evil like they're making a TV show that we love and people do get nervous and they dont they're afraid of them afraid of fans and they're afraid of making mistakes and they need a little bit of a nudge. But it is interesting to see the show allow us to think that maybe there wasn't much of a connection with Kenzie and Corbin until after the fan vote and they're recoupling and then all of a sudden they're like showing us that Kenzie's like really into Corbin in a way that like we never got to see. And I'm just curious like what What do you think of that as someone who's like been on the island of like how the show can kind of guide the audience to vote a certain way over another way. I like I'm going to answer this honestly, but I also like don't know for a fact. so I don't want anyone to like believe this and run with this or like Kaylor saying this or that Taylor fan theory. That's all this And editors know exactly what they're doing. That's all I have to say. I feel like they have so much chemistry and the way, I mean, even the clips for the next episode of her They just like can't keep their hands off of each other. and it is so interesting because we just truly never even saw that it al they almost made it seem like Kenzie only cared that Melanie and Corbornett a conversation out of like almost jealousy. It almost seemed like they made it almost made it seem like Kenzie only cared until Corbin pulled Melanie. But now after seeing this connection of Corbyn and Melanie of Kenzie after the recoupling, it's like, oh no, she's like she really likes this guy. And she's really struggling with like She obviously wants to explore Caleb. She recognizes it's still new And it's like you see it in a totally different lens now after the recoupling. It's just fascinating. Yeah. I think I mean, it's also like very likely that she liked both of them and had like a strong connection with both of them before I mean, they put Caleb and Kenzy together. There's also like very high chance that like they have they all have a strong connection and Kenzy's just navigating, but I mean, the bomb show had to couple up with someone and it was it was her. What do you think of soul and specifically her being a bombshell and being someone that clearly like at least some of the guys are very into. and it seems like the women of like the OG women are weren't quite as warm to to soul. Like how does that happen and like Roney, you know, so if you're Part part of the original cast like you were. What does that feel like to have the bombshells come in that a lot of the, you know, other people are into And are there behind the scenes conversations happening with cast about like You know what? mayaybe we haven't been as warm to her as possible. Is that or is that more organic or like what does that look like behind the scenes? There was a time in our season where like the Costa girls came back and they did not feel welcomed in the villa at all where like the producers were like, you guys need to like welcome them in the villa. We're like, they're with our man. Like what do you want us to do? Like you want us to give them flowers? Like it's it's a tough situation to be in because one you have the bombshells or costa girls that are there to steal your man. They're also there to findall in love. But then it makes it so awkward because they could be stealing your man. So it's like It's nothing personal. It's nothing personal that like any of the OGs are probably like, oh, I don't like this bombs shower. like let's be mean to her. but it's like just natural. like in the real world if Your man was dating two different girls and like picked one, like you're not probably going to be become best friends with her. L come on. you're just not. You're in the villa, you're living together. You have to be friendly, but at the end of the day like do you got like I get it. Like it sucks. like E if you you like go out with your friends and you're you're with your boyfriend and he's like, oh, that girl over there like we like kind of like we made out once or like you're immediately like fuck this bit. I hate her, you know. Yeah. ye. And it's like it's nothing personal, but it's just like it's it's awkward. Like you're putting a weird position. like when I think like for my season, like Eron was with Danilla and then Rob brought her back. and I'm like Oh my go L this. Like and Danielle is a lovely person. like she's amazing, but It's tough. like it's Like when you go to confide and confide in someone, like I'm not going to go confide in the girl that like my guy was just like like making out with like what are your thoughts on KC? I mean, opening up the season, he seemed like, you know, a guy who seemed like really you know, secure himself, you know, the conversation he had with Anya seemed like very meaningful and personal and like we talked about last week made her feel seen in a way that like clearly other men she's dated hadn't made her feel And we love to see that. Yeah. But like we see that a lot with guys where they they they are a little reckless. evenven when they're saying something so nice, they don't recognize the impact their words will have on the person they're talking to And ever since we've seen that conversation with KC and Anaya Ana has been incredibly intentional like with how she's moving. She didn't like she didn't make out with anyone on the challenge. And then you have Saul come in and he's referenceced that like She looks like his ex and things like that And then the more I'm seeing of KC, the more I'm like You know, again, I'm sure he's a swell guy overall. The more we see of KC to me, he seems to be moving more and more like the rest of the guys, which is like in the he of the moment is not just direct. likeike I that last night's episode where he's talking to Sooul First of all, he had two conversations with Soul. So like He had that one chat where he was like, you know, you would have been my number two and then And So was like, yeah, but you're, you know, she kind of said it like but you're you're off limits. kind of like, I'm you're committed, right? You're committed. Like almost like, maybe it was a check in from S. mayaybe it wasn't But then whatever happened in that conversation was was enough For Casey, again, maybe maybe producer suggested or not, but like Why did you need to even pull her for that second chat That second chat seemed to have some chemistry And then Anayah comes in. And the way Kaseceve described that conversation to Anaya was not what we watched. He made it seem like, o, they were just Chat' friends, like there's no there there. there was nothing there. I'm like, you're You're flat out you're lying. You're lying to her in a way that like we're all watching it. Like we're like how do you read that situation to someone who's been in the villa? And like again, those conversations that all these people are having about like the nuance between exploring being coupled up Like do you or am I being too hard on Kasey for that conversation or did you see what I saw? No, I saw what you saw and I love An. like she is my girl. Like I have loved her from the jump. She is like one of my favorites this season. So like I hate that. like I hate that my blood boils for her. But I also do understand like the behind the scenes of things and like you know I felt like in my season, like I just knew. like I just knew that I did not have a connection with anyone else and that's fine. Like Love Island, everyone's like it's about exploring and things like that. I'm like, yes, sure it is, but like if you find a genuine connection, then you find a genuine connection. L you're not Love Island, it doesn't say in the rules like you must explore to like be on the show. L that's not that's not how it is. like I'm sure like Cost on more is coming up like something's going to twist these couples that are so strong likeike it did mine and you know, you just never know what can happen. I hope that the men start owning it. likeike be a man and own your shit and like I'll say that I'll say that's the day I die. like that was one of the things I experienced on the show and It sucks like it really sucks and then these girls are going to leave and they're have to watch it back. Do you think the men on Love Island, whether it's your season or the seasons after we watch use the It's about exploring is kind of like a get out of jail free card. It's one thousand percent. Be to your point, like we all know, right? We all know it's like the date in the real world. We know who we like. You can walk into a bar and see thirty people and you you can eliminate twenty eight of them off the jump, right? And these people have been with each other for a whole week. I would want to know from Kasey, why do you need to explore this with with with Sl what do you not going, you know, like you should know at this point whether she someone that you really want to like see things through or not And the way it just seems like the guys are always using like like you said, like as if they have to, they need to. L why can't they whyy isn't their own inner monologue telling themselves, I got something really good here? Maybe I don't know if I'm going to marry Anaya, but I know there's enough there that would be reckless for me to explore with anyone else any modern dating one thousand percent. Like there's always another option. It's like the apps. It's like you can just swipe and find somebody else. It's That's great. It plays like right into everything that you experience. That's why I think Lve Island is so fascinating. It plays into all the things that happen in the real world, but watching it on a screen and through this like tropical lens, but it's like Yeah, there's always another option. there's always another bombshell. of course, but it's like Why yeah, if you've got something good, why are you going just like explore connections or test The worst one is test my connection. Why do I need to test it? What do we test it? Yeah. But I also like if you feel like you need to test it Then it may not be that Yeah. Yeah the guys will sound like I need to fuck someone else to know that I love you Exactly. Oh my go. Exactly. It's so real. I was told so I'm having like PTSD. like I remember being told so many times like Kaylor, like that's what L Island's about. L we're here to like test and try. I'm like, Is that like in the rules right sign up for Lo Island is to like Do that? No, but like, If you want to do that, fine, do it, but do it respectfully.. Like move respectfully. If you want to explore and you want to do that, you can. this loveove Island, it's your experience and I'm gonna to have my experience. But if your experience is manipulating, not saying that anyone on this cast is doing that yet But if you like for myself, I could say like if the experience is like to manipulate and like not own it, then you can have that experience, but I don't want a part of that experience. I did see an interesting tweet from Kia Abrianne. She said Casey should be the main person exploring because no one was behind his door on the first episode. He doesn't owe anyone anything. What do you think Do You think that's valid because of how it started or do you feel like that would have been valid the first episode Yeah right For the first two maybe. Yeah. I don't know if that's still valid. I think like like I said, like one day in that theilla literally feels like a week. So let's say they filmed what eleven they have eleven episodes. they've probably been there for about fourteen, fifteen days. So like these people think that they know like And you do, like you get to know these people. So like heavy like I'm just thinking about myself, like whenever I was in that villa and like On day like episode eleven, I felt like completely connected to Aaron. I felt like I knew him inside and out. And if he would betrayed me then then I would be hurt. I would be really hurt. We heard Sincere say to this cast that he was upset that he was matched with soul and that he desperately wanted to be like coupled up with Melanie I think we all saw that as a lie. Is there any part of you that's been a part of Love Island and like, you know, maybe it's the editor's editing I just thought that was complete bullshit because every Like when he's with so, he is staring into her eyes.bsess deeply obsessed. And like you and maybe it's a better match for him. Maybe like I honestly I love Melanie. She seems great. She seems like you said, like you're seeing the whole arc of her. She is clearly someone who gives a shit. She tries. she can get feedback, she can take accountability. Maybe she doesn't like change herself overnight, but she at least is willing to hear that feedback. But maybe Sincere is this more of a low key guy but Sincere does the thing That's very frustrating that you see with a lot of like relationships where he acts like he's not the toxic one because he always says he doesn't love the drama, doesn't love the drama. And then Melanie's like, let me go. L just let me go. You don't if you're not into me, that's totally fine. But then he's doing the thing like no, I want to like see where I want I want to keep trying And it's just like what part of your relationship with Melanie do you actually like? which is like it's it's okay. You don't have to, you don't have to be into her, but he's like keeping her stuck and giving her this false sense of hope R That's like not there. And like N is cake he' eating it J It's driving her not He's the one driving her crazy Yeah Yeah, he is. And I think that like ultimately like I think that Melanie is like understands like like we keep saying, like everyone needs to explore. I think Melanie understands that. I think that like if he was just like open and honest, like Hey, I like I kissed her and then like also like what about Soul? Like it's not like he's even telling Soul he's saying this. like tr everyveryone's talking about like him not saying to Melanie, but like he's not saying it to Soul either. So I know for a fact this season they will have a movie night. I know it. I know it for a fact. I mean I just feel like they will. And from watching the season, like if they had a movie night and they pull that out and like That's going to be great, great to watch. I can see Soul Soul seems, I don't know. she just seems very self aware. I don't know. She's Maybe that's just an assumpt. She does. She's very mature. R And I think she is I think she really likes sincere But I think she's now starting to hear as she gets closer with the women and the other women let her in. we saw that moment with Melanie like giving her a hug. She'll start hearing some of the feedback that the women have. and I think she will pull away from sincere. And I think that will be the moment where they send sincere to Casa. and they'll bring in a new bombshell. And I feel like sincere like Sincered is like moving in a lot of ways like Eron I feel like we're like Yeahah, he's a nice guy. He means well. Like he's friends with everyone, but in that effort to please everyone, he's coming across as incredibly shady and selfish. Yeah. And whether it's right or wrong Yeah, he is I think he is allowing himself to be produced in a way where he's gonna to feel like he got manipulated by producers without actually just ackging one hundred withithout just being like, one hundred percent I made that choice. likeike I didn't have to do this, I didn't have to do that. They kept suggesting it and I wanted to explore. And they're like, my experience is to explore. And like Liv said this perfectly on Movie Night. I think she said this to Erin. and he was like, this is my experience and I'm here to explore and lives like That's your experience, but you don't have to ruin someone elses experience by moving disrespectfully and not being honest. Like you can have your experience, babe, but like other peopleless while you're while you're in Yeah. I think it was Bryce while you're moving away I think it was Bryce who pointed out to Sinincere that you are you are affecting other people's feelings. And that's the part that doesn't seem to land in with sincere that Yeah, makeake your choices. This is your experience whatever, but like It is affecting how people feel and that And you're doing that. You just have to be honest. It's like I just remember like I pray for like both soul and Melanie because I remember like the anxiety that you have like one like for me like You have anxiety, like what did I not do well? You start comparing yourself. And then you also have the anxiety, like It's embarrassing. Like it's embarrassing. Like you're on national television. It's like embrass It was embarrassing for me. Like they shouldn't be embarrassed and I shouldn't have been embarrassed. but like in that moment, I was. and that's why I was so hurt. I felt so stupid. Someone said Sincere's parents named him on opposite day. It's crazy because he like he came off as so sincere Like tr att the beginning I was like, wait, he's so he seems so sweet and even the way At the beginning when Melanie was a little bit like, I don't know, when she was doing the kiss between the two guys, I was like, You know, I was like, I don't know. But no I loved it. No, you love it. I love that. But I was like, I could see how it would like it could hurt your partners' feelings or whatever, but But now I'm like,, I think unfortunately He hasn't learned his life lessons. It's young men learn about like it's just like as long as I hold the door open for her, I'm a good guy. I nice guy. Yeah. But if I feel something, my feelings are more important than your feelings and therefore, I'm not doing something bad by focusing on my feelings first because I did hold the button the door for you Yeah So you are a nice guy. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard guys be like, o, I was so loyal to herurt. likeike Babe, That's the minimum. Like I was like why? whyy? Like I don't understand. why is like the bare minimum is almost like, o well, I was so nice. Like you were so nice. You did the bare minimum. not saying that I'm just saying that like across the board. like I hear men say that all the time. like, oh, well, like I didn't do that or like this. I'm like Bare minimum babe, like okay. What did you think of the conversation between Zach and Kita? I He's catching a lot of heat for it. Yeah. For those of you who don't remember, they were lying in bed And it seemed like Kata wanted to maybe fool around a little bit. And it's Zach was like, yo. Can I ask you a tough question and basically said like, well, if we do something physical and another bombshell comes in and we explore, I don't want to it kind of came across as like he wanted to keep his options open. It did. it did. Hear me out, Kaylor. I'm curious what you think. I honestly think he deserves a little bit of credit for that because on one end, if we're going to criticize the sinceceres for just not being honest and trying to play both sides and be friends with everyone Sometimes you have to say the thing that's uncomfortable right away that might upset your partner, Kita who like probably in that moment doesn't want to hear Hey, I don't want to make out with you because I might be like thinking about the girl I don't even know exist. R. But sometimes you do have to like say the hard thing right away and be honest, even though it is upsetting for your partner. You know what I'm saying? because otherwise now now Kata can move based off that information that like, hey, I thought we were like really strong But like maybe we're not as strong as I thought. and if he wants to maybe keep his options open Now she can keep her like options open and she can also protect her heart a little bit as opposed to the sincere. If that was sincere, he would have just done the thing He would have made out with her. He would have gotten physical And then would have been like, well, I didn't know someone was going to like come in. I couldn't have anticipated it. And at least Zach is being honest with himself that he He's not fully there and I just feel like we we can't We have to at least give him some credit for saying the thing, even though yes, it did it upset her. Is it hard to hear? Does anyone to hear that? No But sometimes it is difficult to say the thing because so many other guys are doing the thing. Well, I didn't tell you because I didn't want to upset you. I was gonna to say like as an audience, I feel like we have to live in this moment of like Okay, we are criticizing if you do or if you don't. I went like I lose if if I say it, I lose if I don't say it. You know, So I'm like right now he's saying it. So I'm like I kind of agree and I'm curious what Klor thinks because she's actually been in the villa, but I'm like kind of doing what we're saying all the other guys should do. Yeah. I see where you guys are going with this, but I think that the the I hate that it was like the reason like associated with like sex Like, I wish that like it could have just been like not about sex. and I think that's where like people are that's why peopleople are have strong feelings about that because it was about like sexual things and it wasn't about like whether he wants to explore. Like I'm confused on that conversation because it's like Do you just not want to like have sex or like fool around in the bed because like you may like do that with someone else or you're worried about how you're going to be perceived or things like that. orr is it like You don't know if another connection's going to walk in, like And I hate that like it was prompted in that sense, like in the bed. Like I wish that I could have watched that conversation not be associated with sex or sexual. That makes sense. Yeah. But I see I see where you guys are coming from. Yeah, it's just those are all often difficult moments. And I get I totally get what you're saying. It does feel like damned if they do, damned if they don't Yeah. It does seem like Zach is is a little bit do you think you a lot of people are comparing him to Ace from last season kind of sticking his business in where maybe it doesn't belong, like telling Bryce that he doesn't think Trinity is that into him. Do you think that's him going too far or do you think that's him being a friend to Bryce? I didn't like that he did that I didn't like that he did that at all because like I think that Trinity is really into Bryce. L that's how I perceive things. So it's like, I don't think anyone should be talking about anyone's relationship, like just focus on your own. He'll figure it out. just like Zach will figure it out. I think Trinity is being slept on Like crazy I too. I do too. and I love her. I've loved her ever since she was like I don't go to the gym like I loved I love her. She's like so herself and I like I like that a lot. I think her her man hasn't entered the Vill yet. I agree. Baya said that on Asun like it's Bryce is her number one. and if it's not Bryce, she's going home. So Okay, curious, Kaylor. what do you think? Do you think that's more because like right now there's no one in the villa that is it like she can't picture someone else because no one else is there or do you think, do you think that plays a role in her that if in that mindset, Or do you think it's this more Trinity is just like she knows who she is, she knows what you know, what she likes and she doesn't like and maybe she just like her heart wouldn't allow her to even like someone else because she's You know, she clearly moves slower. She's intentional She obviously wants a slow burn with Bryce and maybe she just knows herself that way. Or do you think it's because she just No like she doesn't have options right now and she can't see the forest through the trees. I think she likes Bryice. I don't think she's just like playing it up. I think she likes Bryice and I mean, hey, there could be someone that comes in and changes her mind. But like I love her so much so like I'd support her honestly. So she's my favorite. Bryce had the opportunity to try with Kita. So if someone came in and Trinity like like someone, I'm like girl, go have a como with them. Like Bryce did the same thing. They I feel like we've had so many conversations between Trinity and Bryce where they're like Do you like me? Do you like me like that? I don't know how you feel. So I think they maybe need to have a little bit clearer communication on what they're to L have a serious con tho about where they stand with each other and things like that. Or we send a hot bombbshell in for her? Yes. Yeah. I think we need like meted More men more men. Do wouldould you want them to be a little older? Yeah, but like not too old, like not too like sophisticated, like you know maybe ' he like thirty? twenty nine. twenty twenty nine. Yeah. twenty nine. And then you have Caleb, who's twenty one. Wow. Range. Yeah. I mean, I was twenty two on the show. Cordell was twenty one. I think Cordel was twenty one. so I mean we had a big mix and then we had like people who were like twenty nine I mean, yeah, I'd like to see like maybe like a twenty seven year old twenty eight. Kay, this has been a ton of fun. I really appreciate you letting us catch up with you and giving us some insight on all things Love Island. Yeah, Thankks for having me. You're friends with Iris, right? Yeah, yeah. How is she doing? I know she had beyond the villa fans were like kind of It's so crazy, I didn't really understand fans' reactions to that show, but how is your girl doing? and is she moving forward in a better place these days? Yeah, I actually was away filming. I was on Destination A. so I was away filming when Beyond the Villa was airing. So I didn't see like any of that. So I have no idea how anyone was perceived I know at the beginning before I left for the show, I saw Hannah like dealing with some stuff. So I made sure to like send her talks, but I'm here for them. but I'm here for them if they ever need anything. and at the end of the day, like the public will move on to something else. they always do. and it's tough. it's tough. you know, this industry is amazing, but it comes with like a lot of pressure and having to deal with like the public's thoughts and hate and DMs and all of it. But yeah, I love Iris and Hannah. They're great and yeah, nothing but great things to say about them. and I'm glad to see them like still posting and Continue to pursue social media. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Kaylor, we appreciate taking the time. It's always great catching up with you. Where can people find you, enjoy all the great things that you're doing right now? My TikTok, my Instagram, Kaylor Martin, and then I just came out with a new podcast. You guys can watch it with Rob. It's called Kayl Kaylor's Crashouts. Love it. Well Kaylor. Thanks for taking the time. We appreciate you. bestest of luck going forward in everything you're doing. And we appreciate all the Love Island insights that you had to offer Yeah, awesome. I'm gonna send you guys some turtlewax too too. L love it. Thanks, Kaylor. Bye We are up at the lakehouse not too long ago and we had this we have this cute little like screened in patio that is quite honestly it's tight. 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My favorite part was when she, you know, again, the nuance between acknowledging that producers play a role, but at the same time, like it's it's doesnn't alleviate people from their choices But yeah, it does make a little bit more sense if That was a conversation that maybe producers had with Bryce of like, oh, maybe because it did feel so out of a left field and even when he brought it up to Zach and Zack like laughed and then he like, Ohh wait Sorry, like you're serious. I like honestly, I felt that because it did come off as like a joke. Yeah But he didn't have to do But he didn't have to have been like, no, that's weird. I'm like, I'm really starting to feel things with Trinity. I want to see where it goes. I don't want to hurt her feelings. I'm friends with Zach. like he could have said All of those things and all it took potentially if it was a producer for a producer to give him that permission You know? Uh, like the bad friend who's like, you, you know Yeah, it's always it's always bad friend. It like your friend is out in their fuck boy era Yeah and you met someone that you kind of like and you're feeling, but your friend like doesn't want to lose the wingman or the wing womoman and they like kind of like feed you information that like isn't really in your best interest. but like You know, we're all adults. like you can't always blame the friend for like giving you the bad advice. You can just listen to yourself. Right. Or it's like when, I mean, it's kind of different, but it' yeah, It was when you're like kind of getting serious with somebody, but it's not labeled or like exclusive yet and your friends like, but you're not, it's not Like technically, you're like not committed, right? It's like that friend that gives the advice and then the person goes out and acts on it and then the other person's hurt. It's like that same kind of vibe, you know I do think that's why Baya got sent home I think she was giving too good of advice to cast people that was almost if producers are the friend who wants you to buy the boat and leads you down the path that like I had a producer say this to me long ago. they're just they want you to Maximize your inner urges Right? So if you have Ba there being like, hey about's Th think about this. Let's, you know, I've been there before. Let's get her out immediately. You know, I it's Great friend to have in life and a pain in the ass for producers. And wonder if I wonder if that had anything to do a not going the distance because she was so grounded and so centered and sure of herself And I wonder if she was just giving really good advice Like do you really need to talk to you know, do you really need to do that? I do love how when Kenzie was talking to Caleb and she's like, it's just like not a red flag, mayaybe yellow flag that you're just like younger than me. Yeah you know, And he's like, yeah, but I I turned twenty two in November She's like, yeah, I'm twenty four. Yeah. And like November is I mean, like months She's like I will also be older. I'll be twenty five. Yeah Yeah. But also Corbyn being twenty two. I'm like Yeah. Yeah yeah, true, true true. What's the difference? They're both young than you. Yeah. So It's kind of like when a little kid is like, I'll be six and I'll be six this year and you're like, o gay. good job. It's like this little girl in the park river Well hang, she can hang for so long. River just like a bar. Yes, for so long. Honestly, everyone's always like, oh my gosh. That's kind of crazy. She just hang. She just hangs off of a bar. Wow. And there was this older girl who was kind of watch doing the monkey bars and whatever watching her And River was hanging, I'm like, Wow, Riv, it's so good. It like you've been hanging for ten minutes And then the older girl was like, Well, I can hang for twenty minutes. And I was like, oh, okay, well she's only two. And she was like, why I'm six? I'm like, okay. Okay like gndm my brother's three. And I'm like Okay ye. It's those kids that wan to win regardless of what it was. Right. And then her mom told me that they fight like sisters, and I was like, I understand that. Yeah. And I would too. It makes sense. But we had also the Rhode Island finale and it would definitely did not disappoint I just can't believe Brian put it tracking device on her car. So creepy. Do you think he asked Rouula to be like, Hey, let's share each other's locations and she said no? Even the way that she explained like how she found out where she was like, he started saying things where I was like Yeah I feel like I'm being tracked. Well, and even prior to them picking up cameras in this episode, when you watch it, you kind of like go back and forth of like Okay, so role it does now But she's protecting marriage on screen. And you're like, wait she doesn't know that. because then Brian's now admitting to something then walking in the room and not even telling her that he admitted to it. Well, even at the dinner, you know, not knowing every detail and knowing that sometimes, you know how TV is made, sometimes like there could have been an old rumor the show is like, well, let's just make this rumor feel a little bit more newer so that it's like storyline. Brian and Rula almost had me convinced that maybe that this was something from the past. They kind of talked about it. Yeah. R. And almost as if like he's kind of talked to Rula about it and Rula like doesn't want to see the video because it's like, yo, like we're dealing with this. L all you're doing is this like putting salt on a wound. thatm I'm in the process of healing Yeah. And like kind of had me convinced is that what it was. to cameras being picked up that like, Think about it, Brian was at this dinner with all these people being called out on camera admitting to like the affair, but in real time trying to convince all of us and the people he's sitting next to that's in the past. only for it to still be going on and for him to double down on this affair instead of like stopping it, realizing, maybe, you know what, honestly Got really close there. This could have blown up my whole life, my whole marriage. He doubles down and instead, puts a tracking device on her car so that he can I'm assuming try to like Avoid her. Avoid her or like, you know Hide the Mistress under the desk if Rula shows up, whatever it is to like try to esssentially keep the affair going and not get caught. When imagining Rula where she said the way she realized was he was saying things where she's like How do you know that? Yeah Yeah like how did he you know that's even more intrusive too. He's like, oh, did you see whatever so and so at the bank? And she's like I didn't tell you that I went to the bank no, I But S I just was like I just assumed they went she goes to the BMW and then they're the ones that are like, we can't r. You go to the police. insane. Yeah And how is there only two parts for reunion? Beuse I feel like I could get two full episodes of them interrogating Brian. I'm surprised he shows up. Me too. Yeah. Like, I mean, we're gonna to figure out whetherait was The reunion before The arrest or after? I think after before Well we don't know. Okay. know. Yeah. that's a good because I think it's after. I think it's is it o.. I hope so. I want Do we know when those mugs shots were taken? because we do have a general timeline of when the reunion was filmed. I love how at the table, Liz Pulls like, what's something someone in the group? wants to know or we should know about you, but we don't. And she's like, I'm going to ask Jared. And he's like, I love Rhode Island. She's like Okay,. So all those questions were meant for Brian and they kept passing them off to other people. Yeah Yeah.