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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick joined by the household Nallally, The babies have flipped the wrong baby flipped We're back up, B both head up. B Yeah. so we're just we're going backward Thanksgiving me, you're gonna to give birth to gymnast Yes. I thought it was good news because the wrong baby flip baby B was head down baby it only has to do with baby A For anyone who's confused by whatber why we're talking about this. Nally is hoping obviously health of the child, health of the babies is come first is come first. depending on who your doctor is and their comfort level sounds like what we've learned is that it's all about baby A. Baby A needs to be head down. And and if that's the case, then there's a chance you can have a vaginal birth. exciting. because C section is still surgery and you know, there's a recovery pro. Natally personally and everyone to each their own is hoping be able to do that. And then baby B flipped. Are there movements you can do and this is just me genuinely asking, like The baby ate a flip, Like can you I've been b being a like chiropractor baby flpperaby mage therapist. Yeah. Oh you're going to one. Yes. And the first time I went to him After that first time, baby be flipped. head down Second time, I'm like, oh my God, you got baby B wrong baby, but you did get one to flip. And the way I said this is good news because they say they they are sometimes opposite. They're yinging yang. you know. That does feel like. So if baby B so baby B has to go back So now baby both we head down But he said unlikely Well, no, he said I have a lot of room in my pelvis and they could both be head down. Thats That's the most comfortable Where? But literally. But the twins do like to be a yin and a yank But after the second time I saw him, then baby be flipped back up. So I'm like, what are you doing clelearly whatever you do does work. But do that on the other side. Yeah Don't touch my right side anymore. I'm just curious, can you feel the flipping? No No. Oh, wow, that's incredible. how do you know? I just have ye. So see My doctor, I figure out like, okay, they're both head up. I go see him He does what he has to do the next week I see my doctor. Hate should be fixated on on the handstands, but like, why is that not working? You know, he didn't seem when I told him that I was doing the handstands in the pool, he didn't seem to like, oh yeah, keep going. He made a joke like Are you getting good at it? It was it like unrelated Yeah cool. Yeah. And also it's just like, I don't The whole pool thing is just I just it's I don't even want to wash my hair as it is. And like if I'm swimming in the pool Yeah that's a lot of m That's a lot of maintenance. I have to do that I don't have the energy. a lot.ool. I'm really proud of you. Yeah. But yeah. 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Also have a substack. and so if you are interested if you're more of the reader type And you want to read our article that is titled Am I the Proble for all you fans out there. I'm sure you'll enjoy this one. So check it out I think are we ready for bar Ready br mion Right now It's B Man, we're so excited to have you. Welcome to the show. How are you? Oh my God. Thank you guys for having me. Sensational. likeike love that. are you are you stateside? Are you back in the Yeah back to San Diego. Okay. Okay. Well what has been like the decompression like for you? Obviously such a highive of an experience just to be on love Island So many of us are sad to see you go. Like how have you processed you being As I say, dumped from the island Yeah, I was dumped from the villa. I wasn't like the most emotional up until the end U when I saw Gabian cry, I was like, whoa man tears. This is crazy. Like you're genuinely upset. So it kind of made me like upset I had my connection with him and so There's that, my connection with my friend, Soza Is like Grieving the fact that I'm not going be seeing these people that I've been, you know Eating, sleeping, like just like being around twenty four seven with and like It was weird, but then at the same time I was like Yeah, I can to see my dog, I can see friends. I can go back to the track, sleep. Yeah, I can sleep. I can like do all these things. so One of the things that I immediately did was just get back on the track on Monday. so I was training again and just kind of that's a way to get away from it. But then, you know, social media, it's like, That's all I see. so what are your events in track? I ran in college. Oh, I run the hundred, two hundred, and I long jump. Nice, awesome. As someone who's a huge fan of track and field, how did you get into that? Was at an early age? D someone recommend it to you? Were you watching it on TV and be like, I want to do that? No, actually, so I got in into it as a freshman in high school and it was part of like a bet and a joke with a friend.. She was like, Ohh, you've done otball and basketball and you Beat me at all these other sports. I know what I'll beat you at. I'll beat you at track and field Mind you, I only had a walking prosthetic at the time. I didn't have one made for running. So these these weigh like five to seven pounds It's like having a little ankle weight stp to you when you run And Yeah, the bet was just basically who could make one varsity trackment versus freshman And I did it and I ended up really enjoying it Sophomore year rolls around. I tried it again. went to a state qualifying meet and a coach had seen me there And he was like, oh, like you run thirty meters for me real quick? And My little spiteful ass, I was so like I had such a big chip on my shoulder childer and I was like, o, you don't think I can, you don't think I can And I did. I came back and he was like, no, I just you want to be on my club team. And he actually was the one to push me into the paralympics and then you know, seventeen years old and made TamSA for juniors and then got pulled up to the adult team and been doing it ever since. That's incredible. What did that? Do you feel like you being involved in athletics and specifically track and field like helped you you know, with just confidence and just did it open up like the world and turn and make you ask? Like what else could I do? Because quite honestly, like you just being on love Island like the amount of people who try to get on the show, like literally tens of thousands of people down to a select few In and itself, it's a huge accomplishment. Did that have that positive impact? that made you made you go Fuck, what else could I accomplish? Like M maybe I'll be president someday. Yeah, absolutely, it did. Once I like stepped on the track with all these other like paralympic athletes, Um That gave me so much confidence. I was a very shy quiet insecure kid, believe it or not. And u Sventeen years old was when I decided to wear shorts in public for the first time. So I spent seventeen years of my life trying to hide my disability And mind you, I'm twenty five now. so It' not that long Yeah. And yeah, just seeing all these like strong, powerful women and they didn't care about what they looked like. they cared about what their times were on the track. They didn't care that like this or that. And so once I got into that space, I was like, wow, I really I really have been wasting so much time worrying about something that really doesn't matter or shouldn't matter. And that gave me the confidence to really just be like, Well, let me do anything. likeike why not? Now. Now we're on Helloide quests Do Rndomage. That's amazing. I enjoyed watching you so much. From very early on, you seemed like you were just like reallyally emotionally grounded. like you could process your feelings, like I went on reality TV when I was like thirty three, but I was more like Melanie, where like you know these are very intense environments and I would feel and I would react and I feel like I'm fairly emotionally mature. But in these environments, they're pressure cookers. Where does this come from in your ability to be able to like se kind of like Be able to feel something but still process in real time that feels like you are in control your feelings in a way that many of us have a hard time doing in these atmospheres. Well first of all, thank you for saying that that means a lot. I think That has gotten me to the point where U I am like emotionally grounded. I would say, honestly, my disability has a big thing to like do with it because I grew up that way, grew up with my disability group bin so care about it and having to kind of process that and that I also started going to see my sports psychologist, which she also does like therapy because your life. outside att tract impacts your performance on the track So I think a combination of just having to grow up really quickly because of my disability And Finally Speaking to a like sports psychologist and a therapist, I think those two things like really helped me create a like emotional like regulator. You said you were thinking about maybe like exploring something with sincere, but you didn't want to blow up the villa afterfter seeing these last couple episodes of how sincere has continued to move. I thought he said something last night that was really interesting where he was like, I'm going I'm going to be someone's bad guy. And I felt like, you know what that really encapsulate who his sincere is is because he's so focused on being the good guy that like no matter who who he's in front of, he's just saying what he needs to say to make them happy in the moment. But at the end of day, he's not realizing how selfish it is and how how disingenuous it comes across. But like maybe, you know, you got to know these people You got to be in the villa with them. How do you read that situation? Being outside the villa, I'm like Whoa, I didn't know that these are other conversations that people are having because when you're in the villa You're having your own conversations. You're doing your own chats. you're seeing like Uh hanging out with your own kind of click and U So there were a couple of things I didn't know. I still have to go back and rewatch the little thing U But as for like Sincere, I I dont think I would have like really explored with him too much But think I think it's hard, right? because I do see him his point of like, oh, I don't want to be a bad guy. but That's yeah, you are going to be somebody's bad guy when you're too afraid to speak up for yourself. And I think he's so much more afraid of hurting somebody else's feelings that he's not realizing that his actions are hurting somebody else's feeling. reggardless of your intent. So intent versus outcome are very different and I think he He might have like pure intentions, but he's going about it in a way that You know, the outcome isn't going to be great. He is going to be hurting bothoth of these girls at the same time and U I truly don't think that's his intention. I think it's more of like ding, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, so I'm going to hurt everybody's feelings. The internet seems to be very much like on one end, it's like team Casey, they feel like Anaya is being, you know, a little too nitpicky or whatever you want to call it I I'm more like, I understand where Anah is coming from because for me Like I think the thing he said to Anah early on made Anah feel really seen and validated in a way that was like this guy is wouldn't say something like this to me if he wasn't serious about it. But then you see him talk to Saul It just seems like he's playing like a little safer version. of what Sincere is doing. as opposed and if I'm Ana, I'm a little confused. But again, I'm curious how have you read it? You were in the villa like maybe we're being too hard on Kasey because we love Anya so much. How do you see it? Yeah, I love both Ana and Kasey. They're both like great people. They have amazing personalities. I think they go great together. Okay as far as their their situation think You know, on one hand, Casey is allowed to explore. That's what you're there for at the villa, on the other, like yeah, take a ey is like Feelings into account, just be like very transparent I think he's been like pretty forward with her. Again, I need to go back and rewatch all the episodes so I can't Um fully speak on like, o, I know this for a fact. just know from my own experience, But u Yeah. Did you get a chance to see Pada and Trinity kind of ome forgave a little bit in your defense. Yes, I saw that help of my girls. My go. What did you think? clapped I clappeditally like I was like, yes. like my girls got me. They're so fununny and like I don't know. I love them so much. I know you said that you probably wouldn't like explore Gabriel outside of this because he would probably be with Jen, do you still feel that way or do you feel like You know, whatever happens happens. I think whatever's meant to be is whatever iss meant to be. as of now, I'm not U particularly like, oh, like I'm I'm still waiting for you, I think U My emotions were high when I was leaving the villa and I was very like, you know what He knows where to find me But I'm seeing, okay, well, what I'm seeing, you know? And it's like, well Maybe he's not going even really need to come find me. So yeah, whatever happens happens and U If he's happy with Jen, then that's great for both of them. How did you leave things with Melanie when you left the villa? We left everything like good and fine. I don't know why people think that like we have this beef by Like she's still one of the girls. I've liked We've had chats that like hadn't been shown in like Obviously, I wasn't able to talk to her one last time before I got dumped from the villa. but still all love on my end. I know she's got love for me and I think U we kept reassuring each other that like, you know what No matter what is said outside of the villa We're the only people that really know what went on in here. So what is said on the internet or what is said outside in the world can be said because we know what went down in here. If we made you pick, Um Is sincerea Melody gonna to end up and survive the illlla and end up together, or do you feel like they will find love in other places? What would be your guess as of today. My guess Height You know what? I'm so on the fence because Melanie has showed So much like emotional growth in such a short time And I think that's because she took a step away from Sincere. I think their initial relationship was such a roller coaster and such a Tit for tat and push and pull that that wasn't great for either of them Um, but then now I'm seeing this other version of her of like She's a little bit more like calm, grounded and like You know, but she she was able to express her feelings, s sincere. They made their way back to each other and U Hopefully they could go on this more positive like path instead of this like push and pull, but Cost is coming up So I Fine veryer curious about how it's going to go Um with their track record, I think it's more logical to say that I wouldn't expect them to do like like to be together outside the vage, but you also never know. like she just showed a lot of growth. So Maybe they could really work out, but You know, you never know. Speaking of Casa, who do you think will explore and step out of their couple? e. I think Corbyn might step outside of his couple to Explore I think Gabrielle will step outside his couple to explore. He only knows how to explore. Yeah ye, he does. Those are the two maybe sincere. An of the girls, do you think Or do you think they're all secure? All the girls, you know what? I feel like they all got emotionally attached like very early on. I was like, you guys, we're supposed to be talking to everybody. This avilla like This is a dating game. The only way I could see any of the girls stepping outside I think Kenzie wouldood. I know you have to get going. So we have Let's try to sneak in two questions. One's a real quick question with Kenzie and Corbin I was surprised to see the connection after really coupling. they have a lot of chemistry that we didn't get to see that we're seeing now because it seemed like I was kind of surprised. And then my final question and then I know you have to go and I really appreciate taking the time is I'm about about to be a dad of three girls under three. I would love to know like what advice do you have for young women as they like, you know, grow up, whether they want to get into athletics or they're you know, getting into dating or their career. You know, what advice do you have for young women to like find their most confident self and to just be as resilient as you have clearly have throughout life? So for the first question about Kenzy Corbyn think They did develop like a connection. I don't know how Strong Um, I think because I'm not in their connection, I can't really say. I think mind you, like a lot of their chats were away From The rest of the group, so who knows what kind of things that they really did talk in detail about our what version of each other they gave each other. like, you know, the version of me that Trinity knows is a different version than Gabriera knows, right? So there's different versions of yourself, different pieces of yourself that you give others. And America only knows AI version of Corbin. Yes. America only knows AI Corbin, but he, I'm sure is multifaceted, has different layers. So who knows? I think they could have a strong connection, but I would not be surprised if both of them stepped outside to explore. It's interesting that it wasn't obvious to you Thanks for answering them Yeah. and then as for your question for your three under three, first of all, that's crazy. I hope you're getting sleep. I think like Just some advice for like girls to grow up and be strong is like, don't Yeah, nobody can tell you not to do something U just do Whatever you want because you are powerful, you are strong, you are worthy, you are valued. and The only person stopping you from doing anything really is yourself Once do you become confident in yourself You could do anything that you really set your mind to, as corny as that sounds U You have to be your biggest supporter. Yes, my mom loves me and supports me, but Um It's not going to matter if I don't believe in myself. I could have everybody believe in me. I could have an entire stadium of people really believe in me. But if I doubt myself, I'm not going anywhere So I guess at the end of day just don't ever doubt yourself. Love that. Bayat, thanks so much for taking the time. We were very sad to see you leave the island, but best of luck to you and everything you're doing, obviously, your future is very bright and we look forward to seeing all the incredible things that you are about to do and embark on after leaving the villa. So again, thanks for taking the time. We love you and sad to see you leave the villa. Thank you so much. Bye What did we learn from A bab Other than that fact that she's I was gonna say that she's amazing little bad. I wish that gone too soon. Yeah I kind of wish they would have kept her for like a costa or twist or something because she's just good energy But could you imagine like being eliminated from the villa then they're like, okay, go back to your hotel for like or two and then we'll send you to copy Like you're already away from your Like do you really want to do all that? you know? I'd be missing my d. That's a good question. I mean like just watch because I'm sure they're going like they contininue watching because obviously the bombs showlls watch before they come in. So it's like, do you really wanna watch? Some of my favorite like the connections is when they do do that kind of stuff where somebody had a strong connection in the beginning, gets sent out, and then they end up being a bombshell in Casa. and it's like, oh I've built this whole relationship with somebody else moving on. And then it's like, was it real? Was it not? And I feel like Gabriel him crying and the whole thing. L I really would have loved to see his reaction to seeing Bag Yeah You know, yeah Somebody's gott to give me a producing job. I thought it was really interesting when I asked her about Kenzie and Corbyin that she was like, you know, maybe they're in love. I don't know. L but it wasn't obvious to her. But that also makes sense if you're like just having private conversations and growing your connection privately. L if they're not Like it seems like all of them except for Gabe and Jen and they had a conversation of like PDA and how do you feel about that? No one's really like Very touchy feely, very like showing that they are in love. No, but in front of everyone. I don't know. I guess I just got the impression that she was kind of like, I don't know, maybe. and it's not that big of a villa. And you see who's like going to go talk to each other. And we do now we know obviously a lot of these chats are either encouraged or set up by producers. you know, that's it happens on every TV show. A lot of it is just to like That's how we as fans kind of get updated on what we think these islanders are thinking about their relationship, other people's relationships But also like they think, you know, they they are noticing you know, who is gravitating towards who? And it I just got the impression that like when we asked her about it, she wasn't like, yeah, there's definitely like a They have a thing. there's a chemistry there You know what I'm saying? where I felt like it wasn't like a Leah Miguel situation where everyone was like, oh in the villa, you could tell that these two people were drawn together, but everyone was trying to keep them apart. like Yeah. But also something I noticed was I feel like Kenzy's not I don't know if she's not trusting the original girls, but do you guys notice how she's like investing a lot of her conversations on the bombshells? So I almost wonder if I don't know what happened or why that is that she feels like this need to be friends with the new girls, but I'm like, is she keeping things more private from the original girls for some reason? I feel like it probably has to do with the fact that Corbin is in a couple with Melanie. Yeah and obviously Anah and Trinity are friends with Melanie. So it's like. And also Zach, the first chance he got kind of bailed on Kenzie and went to go be with Kita. And so I wonder if she's just kind of feeling like she doesn't really have I don't know, or if she was likeir like they're really close. Every time they sh they're always. Yeah. So's also like maybe she's not. Well also to your point too, there was that game where it was just like Kenzie was chosen as the girl that would like do something behind your back. F like I feel like maybe she probably also thinks that these girls probably have a different perception of her. Right. she probably feel safer with the new newirls Yeah. So that's why'm like When she ask Corbyn to lie like you're gonna to regret that. That is like caral like is the that's the cararnalin of reality TV And honestly, it would have been if we didn't have that mailbox challenge because if they would have had to keep that secret longer, then like, yeah, that would have for sure blown up. But the whole mailbox in the letter thing where was also like It was great producing. That was a great game because I was like the pi one that they had recently. I was like, this is just cruel ' the humiliation is the snog Mary pie. So it's like each person has like three things that they're giving away. And there's a room for compliments in there where I was like this was literally like, who do you think is the worst person that's gonna steal your man? Pire. And it's just like that's like I just feel like Soul iss just going through humiliation ritual at this point on this show. she went through it again when sincere, I know didn't pick her and the man picked Melan. He has constantly just reassured Soul time and time and time again. And then you have Jin being like, I will say the only thing I'm worried about is like he did switch up on Melanie pretty quick and I'm like worried he's gonna to do that to you. Those one on one conversations between him and Souls him very much being like her being like, I feel safe I'm just really enjoying like how our communication is open and he's like, yes, you are everything. I feel I feel great. And then it's like he gets with his boys and it's like whatever girl he's coupled up with, he's like Man, I'm just like, fifty fifty. I just I don't I just can't. And I'm like, I don't feel bad for you, sir. Like I'm like you need to learn either how to pick something and stick with it. I think he picked Melanie because he knew that like he probably has at least one more strike with Soul where he had none left with Melanie. Like he's already switched up on Melanie and I feel like if you would to picked Soul That would have put like the coffin in the nail with his relationship with Melanie. Yeah. But I think you can pick Melanie now And he can still keep doing the same like I just felt like America like broke us up before we had. And I just wanted to explain it. and he's going to come up with something and he' going to still talk to us all I feel like there's a chance Sl Is is going to be like, you know what I don't know I'm done with you. I hope so. Have a feeling that both of these girls are about to get real disappointed with Casaort coming up. I really do think he's going to be the first one that's like Oh man, I didn't see her coming and he will come back with somebody else. Yeah, but I feel like I'm worried for Melanie And again, I blame Sincere because I think Sincere is doing the thing that's causing her to be stuck which so many of our, you know, like yeah, sure. eventually Melanie will have to do what Sierra had to do, which is to like see, you know notot believe the bullshit, not believe all the hopes and all the breadcrumbing and all the things they say and just be like, you know what? you're not going to follow through, But that takes a whole fucking process. And obviously in Love Island, it's difficult to do. And right now sheesus is taking sincere at his word Of the I Miss you. I want to be with you. I still feel. then he goes back to the boys and he's like, Yeah, so she said that like she really missed me. and I'm like you said that first You liar. But I think that when he goes to Casa more, she will be I'm worried that Melanie will be waiting and hoping That sincere won't do anything. while avoiding mayaybe it kind of exploring her bombshells, but ultimately like her heart will be was sincere. And I think my hope I think Soul will like actually lock in with a new bombshell. I think She isn't as like Melanie has this kind of like high school love with Sincere where she's just like, I'm crushing on him. I don't know why. She's decided that he is the type of person that he could she could date outside of the villa. And I don't feel like Soul is there yet. And I wish Melanie wouldn't tell herself that yet, but I think that allows her to be as passionate as she is about sincere in a way that think's going to get her in trou At least her heart and. Yeah. I just hope that there's just like, u cookie cutter like straight to her tea of like a guy that walks in and costs a more that she's like All right, what have I been doing with Sincere this entire time? 'cause I'm just tired of him winning. For Melanie? Yeah. I will say, I feel like Kinzy was kind of stringing Caleb along. Yeah I do too But I also am like, I don' he's not giving us a lot. I don't really feel like I know anything about him. He kind of locked in on Kenzie and' just kind of like, o, America put us together. and like hasn't really had a lot of chats with other people. He wrote a very sweet. Oh my gosh, it was beautiful. Beautiful Yeah twenty one years old. must I couldn't imagine Yeah being twenty one years old in that villa. being The youngest period Um, and the youngest guys in a and like It's just it doesn't feel like everyone's super open, if I'm being honest. likeike not Soul made a comment I think like two episodes ago and she was like, sincere's the only one that even showed any kind of interest. And so like I had to kind of pursue that And that's One just so crazy because everybody looked at her and was like, wow, like true bombshell beautiful. And she's obviously so kind. But it doesn't feel like most people I think people are getting becoming afraid of like what the internet is saying. Like I feel like a lot of people on the show have seen what has happened before and they're like the safe route is to just like unk or down with one person which is probably good for a human connection, but for a TV show, I'm like, they're sending in these bombshells and they're trying to bombshell. And I feel like nobody's open. I'm so glad that you said that because I kind of feel the same way too where I'm like the thing that's like that was fun about Love Island, right? is that it's like everybody is bantering and mixing and matching and pulling people for chats. and it's like no shame in your game because that's what we're here for But yeah, it felt like every single and there's usually like one couple right? like Kayler and Eron that like from the jump and then it's like everyone else is just kind of like mixed salad. like we don't know something some might come together, some might not. Yeah. And I feel like this season specifically, especially maybe just trying to like right the wrongs of last season as well. L I just feel like everyone's far too locked in on the idea of being locked in with another person that I'm like The grand scheme of things you've been there for what a week, that it's like I don't know, this like having fights that are like real couple fights I how you make me feel, o, the fact that you talk to me you're cheating Like, it's like almost feel likes like we're doing far too much for like week one. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I'm just like, you guys should be all still mixing and matching. Everybody shouldn't be like locked down with their couple till the end starting week one. That's it's just it's weird. So we have the fan vote that's happening. So we had this recoupling, right because of the love letters. What does the fan vote? what are we voting favorite couple on favorite couple. And so usually that would mean the bottom, whatever couples would be being sent home. Yeah or like in the running to being sent home. That's usually how we get like what the bottom two or three and then that's when we get the weird ones where it's like stand behind this person or you have to vote for one girl to stay and one guy to stay and the guys will vote for the girl and the girls will vote for the guy. So that's the thing that will be interesting because I think I think we all generally agree with what y' all are saying But like It'll be interesting to how how the show maneuvers because like you can't If you go on Lve Island you know, you can't fault these islanders for moving this way. And it's one of those things and I've said this a bunch of times is like sometimes you don't even know how you really feel because of the intensity of the environment. I don't know how you felt, Suusie when you were on the bachelor. But I remember and I've said this multiple times, but like when I first was on the bachelorette, I knew I was in to Andy. Like I knew I was like, o, I'm attracted to her. She's cool. And I also knew I was competitive And I remember being like I don't know if I'm which is more. Wh am I moving because of It' just like this environment and then like I want to win or am I moving because like I'm actually into this person. And I honestly remember being like, the only awareness I had is I don't know that I don't knoweresting I don't know if, you know, and how honest can you be? Because of course, you want to stay on Love Island. You don't want to go home. You know, that FOMo you feel of knowing that the people you just met and met with and you had these incredible experiences might stay and you have to go home. Like no one wants to do that.. then genuine feelings, but like how How real are they? you know? And are you are you moving because it's the safe decision? It's the right decision? Do you want to admit to yourself that you're only moving because of fans, even though maybe there's a little truth to that That is kind of interesting, but you will now have the producers be able to like potentially send a couple homees. whichich might well then't like flip, you know, because being in a couple isn't doesn't necessarily mean you're safe. So That might be the smart move of the producers to send couple home together to be like, yo, like you can't maneu like will always be one step ahead of you. Yeah. I'm curious what the next move is because The villa needs a shake up. Yeah Yeah. And like I don't think it's like just bombshells is going to do it. Clearly like you're just saying these people are just too locked in. That's why we need Casa More. We need literally all of you to be separated and to decide whether or not you actually L I do feel like this is kind of fast for Casa More. Right I was gonna ask. But like I do feel like it's just you guys are acting like you're getting married next week and it's like you guys should be here exploring and like I just it's also just doesn't even feel like even in challenges when you when they kiss someone else, like It doesn't really feel like anyone cares. It just, you know, it just none of that drama really feels like it's there. know And I am curious like what producers are Yeah Wh are they taking this? Yeah you guys going on that pard room. Yeah you'all are trying to figure out the next move. Yeah love, love Island. I feel like I think this is what this whole like letter thing and like voting on your favorite couple is. I wonder It seems it would be smart to eliminate a couple. I could see Sincere and Melanie being the least liked couple. And I think that would' so important to this show this season like like I I can't send them home. But I think they could be the I think they could end up bott in the bottom and even Sol and Caleb, that that is? Yeah, Sooul and Caleb. I could see them like getting a higher ranking And imagine the way that the villa will react to that. likeike wait, Melanie and Sincere are the like the last favorite couple. And then and then they get in their head. what's America's scene that I'm not seeing? And I feel like that happens every season. It didn't it happen last year with Huta where she like America's trying to tell me something. Yeah Yeah. I think a lot of people are fucking with Mill I think Melan has a ton of fans. And I think she'll be safe if the other islanders can vote But she could be in the bottom. I think it would be fascinating if Melanie In Sincere were voted the favorite couple Hm Imagine what that like sincere who clearly cares about what people think, period, evenven the islanders. Ill imagine now because I just think that like The only thing that sincere seems to be responding to Melanie is The fact that she won't let him go. And I think there's some, you know, like when you someone is this someone who fights for you is attractive. It's like it makes you kind of feel desire like maybe I should like, but like when he's with Soul, He seems justust likeike happier. He seems more and like, you know, he seems like natural connection. Like there's a connection or in a way that he's even like, I've never had this before. This is really fun and great, but like I I don't think sincere and Melanie are good match. Honey fucking week one, they were referred to as a toxic couple. Yeah. but if you have if you have America telling Melanie that and sincere that you're the favorite couple, I mean Melie is going to get even more locked in. Sincere is going to have to continue to fight with those feelings of pleasing everyone, including America, or doing what ultimately whatever I want to do because like which might give me some like short term frustrations from people, but ultimately I gott to move how I want to move. And I think that will just make great people. But I don't see how that would really piss off any of the other islanders I dont know I don't think it would piss off the Lllow at Islanders. I think it would cause just overall more drama. I would piss off the Lll Islanders because I don't think Sinren Melanie are here to last And I think they will They are both big personalities, and I think they both require a lot of conversations from their peers. And I think that will frustrate the household Do you guys think Zach and Kata are a fan favorite couple or do you think people are so annoyed at Zach for fl how do feel want I think Kata's fan favorite and I think They. I like a bombshell that is going to break Zack in half. And I mean the fact that this and I know I kind of wanting, but like the second that they had sex and he was like So if like a bombs showll comes in, like we can explore. Obviously, I know he was joking and too soon like but yeah, I'm tired of him. I am too. And it just even like when they were sitting on the couch and she was like, donon't you just love kissing me or do you love kiss? She like asked him that question. He's like, Yeahah. Like he seems like he's already starting can check out a little bit. I hate that hate. So and it came on pretty quick out on this the reality is a little something. They just got laid. He just got laid. He had some sex And joking or not, the first thing he brought up was what clearly is at least a mild concern that he can't really explore anymore And like without looking like a dick. Yep Yeah. And he's more focused on that than being like that was I really feel more connected to you. That was some Aazing. What are all the million things he could have focused on rather than being like, man so I guess I'm kind of stuck or like this is Andit them saying we're not closed off still like, y'all fully went to the hideaway, had sex and you're not closed off. Even though the way that he like talked about it with the hideway where I was like, listen, I know're real fun, it's exciting bl, blah blah. the girls did it too, but it was just like he just is like, I'm getting late tonight. And I was like, u like you know what I mean? Like I thought I just wanted a little something like a little A little more tactful. Yeah Yeah, it was like, I feel like more a like why is Zach irritating everyone because it's just like, hey, he walked in with this like air of of, yeah, I'm Charlie's brother, but I'm going to do things right and d d d. And then it's just like, okay, you get the like hottest bombshell that's walked in. And then it's like, I don't know if I can commit because like I want to commit actuallyctually, you know what tomorrow, I'm going to have sit you down and have a conversation about how I don't w want to commit anymore. And we're just like honestly watching this back and forth, she could do so much better. Sorry. She's so cool. She's so hot. She's Confident confident earth. Yeah, communicative. Like she's kind of the whole package. Wh do you guys land on KaseC and Analia? 'causeuse it seems like the internet is pretty divided I feel conflicted. I do too, because I feel like Casey didn't really do anything wrong in the grand scheme of like what this show is about, which is talking to people. Sl had some questions. He sat down and had a conversation, he answered honestly. But like again, I also understand watching somebody that you like, talking to somebody that you know that they could have interest in and like The brain plays terrible tricks in games and you're like, oh, they're flirting, Oh, something's happening behind my back. Oh, I'm going to be the next Melanie. Like I see all of the reasons why she spiraled, but it's like this man is trying to tell you that like you are his number one, that he' he even told Soul that. and she was just like, I won't have a conversation with you. I don't want to talk about it, all this stuff where it's just like, We're doing too much for Tsam. But that's not that's not what I saw though What did you say? I think what he said to Anah early on was like It's the thing that again, a lot of people do specifically guys. I like very like West Wilson We're like They're very good at making people feel seene. They're very good at like You know, saying the right thing that makes that person go, wow, like That was really meaningful and Those words matter. And when you say those words, they allow someone that you're pursuing to like put their guard down when you're like, this person really gets me. Wow, I've never had someone talk to me in a way that really makes me feel like that. And Casey presents himself as a very like emotionally intelligent guy who's aware of the weight of his words and then He is now kind of That first conversation that Ani and Casey had And she was just asking him like, you know, where do we stand? He gave a very like word solid answer, which was basically once you break it down being like, well, if someone pursues me and I pursue them and if we have a connection, then I'm going to do that. But like No one's here yet. so like you have nothing to worry about, which basically like if and he says it in a way where he's trying to reassure her. But when you actually listen to the words, it's him saying Well, if someone, if I like someone better I'm going to explore that. And when if you're a Naya, it's very confusing to have someone talk to you in a way that sounds like reassurance, but when you When you process the words, you're like Should I be reassured And then when he's talking to Soul likeike he He talked to her twice. Poldt, why did he have to talk her a second time And then when he talked to Ani after his conversation with Sal He's not. That honest. He is a little bit more like downownplays the conversation And he's again, had the opportunity if you wanted to to be like, I actually have feelings for you or. I would want to move forward with you. And he said, I'm really content And it would take a lot for my head to turn from where I'm at right now. So I'm like, if he wanted to be sneaky or if he didn't mean the things that he said to her, then he would have said to Sooul, But I still do the same shit that Since Sears is doing being like, hey, but I still want to like chat with you. Hey, I'm still going to pull you. Hey, I want to kiss you, I want to experience you, whatever the fuck. like making sure that there is a boundary saying that I'm with my girl and like I did have interest in you. I think you're beautiful. I think, you know you deserve to be treated so much better than you are in this house. Like I think he's being supportive of her, but he very much was dedicated to his So I'm like, if he wanted to be sneaky, he had every opportunity multiple times in those conversations to be like, I want to get to know you more and he has not made that that move. I guess I just read it where it's just like, I feel like with men you It's like you know when you like someone And he's already kind of starting to do the whole like, I'm kind of annoyed He's giving like annoyed with Ana. But I think that that's fair. Like I'm sorry but if I sat here and stayed committed in my couple, but like just had a couple conversations that were literally nothing going on and then I want to have a conversation with you about those conversations and you're refusing to talk to me and ref and giving me the cold shoulder where I'd be like, is this what I'm signing up for? Like we can't even communicate about And we're on a show. there's only fifteen people for me to talk to. You know what I mean? So it's like of course at some point in time, he's going to have a conversation with Soul. He's going to have a conversation with one of the other girls. You're not concerned about the other girls that he's sitting down having one on on's with. You're only concerned because he had mentioned being attracted to Soul specifically. But all of these people, you see them pulling, Gabes pulling Kenzie Fer like, you know what I mean? they're not There's nothing romantic going on. I these are the only people that they have to interact with. So I feel like for her to spiral just because he's having a conversation with another woman, but refusing to have a conversation about that conversation, then I'm like, you're on your own Like you're doing this to yourself when he could be reassuring you. Yeah I think we're to have a I think he made a big mistake by not being completely upfront when he had the second, I think it was the second conversation with her when he I think he should have been more transparent. I am very, you know, interested or attracted to soul, but I'm not pursuing it or whatever. I think he could have been more honest. But I also think yeah, I can't stand when somebody shuts down and I think it is like very immature and whether he's going to give reassurance or not, I think when you like put that wall up, you're making it really hard to pursue anything with that person. It's like, okay, well yeah, you're on your own, then like that's if I have to keep chasing you and you're like, I' want to talk to you and keep walking away, then I'm like, you don't like me is what I would be getting from that is that like you don't have the respect for me to sit down and have this conversation, but you're going to go talk to everybody else about how upset you are and how you're feeling. So everyone's coming up to me telling me, I'm an asshole and I'm just like I just wanted to have this conversation from the jump And we would be on the same page. didn't she try to talk to him? And he was kind of laughing and kind of and that's the whole like, I want to have a serious conversation with you and he is Yeah and I'm like, and maybe I am defending him too much, but I'm just kind of like again, like she repeated something that was said or something and he laughed at that. And she wass like, what part of that is funny? And it's just like, okay, if you want to have a serious conversation, then let's have a serious conversation, but I'm just like, maybe he just wasn't like going into that conversation, he didn't think it was like, oh, oh, I'm getting the one two smackdown. I don't know. I just feel like he And his letter, his letter in the mailbox. He also had another opportunity there if If he didn't want to be with her, he could have put a letter in Soul's mailbox. He did not. Oh he was, I mean, I feel like the To me the letter, depending on who the couple was like either meaningful or meaningless, likeike Casey was going on write aenial letter. He had That was the only move If you didn't want her. That's what I'm saying. that's where I'm like the whole like love island aspect of the dating game is just getting lost in the sauce because like that's what these opportunities are for. It's the same thing with the door in and standing on the red dot or not. It's like, you have the option to switch up and they're giving you out. So if you don't want to be in this couple anymore You don't have to be And sometimes, yeah, you might look like the bad guy or whatever, but it's just like, I don't think, I think if he was completely uninterested or annoyed with Anaya and how she's acting and all that stuff, you could have been like, okay, like maybe I'll explore elsewere. I don't think he's uninterested or I think he's interested. I think he really likes her. I think he has been a little confusing with Anaya to the degree of how much he likes her. I think he painted a picture with Ania early on that like that he was locked in, that this was like something that like he was very certain about And she received that and She days in. Like if anyone is perceiving anyone as being like super locked in when theyven' they haven't had Had they had any bombshells? Maybe Kada was the one bombshell they'd had so far. It's like I mean, yeah. Yeah, I just It's not I get that I think Casey could be a little bit more direct. in the conversations he's having with Anyah about the middle ground that he's like that he wants to explore And I think he says it in a way that's always like kind of confusing to An Nah, which is like, do you actually want to do you want to explore or not I want to explore But like when she's trying to communicate to him his frustrations, he's is focused on making her not mad at him And I think that's how I think that makes it very confusing about what his intentions are. And I think he's just trying to get out of trouble with Hanaya and then it makes her feel crazy because like she just wants KC to like, you know takeake a conversation seriously, he's set up a precedent that he's good at communicating and he wants to have these deep conversations, But then when she tries to have them He's almost like And if I'm a Nayah, I would be a little confused if he is Again, maybe it is too early. Maybe maybe they are moving too fast, then say that to her. And just and be clear that you actually want to explore. Well didid say we have his exact quote. Anaya asked KaseC if he's open to exploring soul He says, sooul is pretty. If it happens, it happens. If it's mutual, then yes. But if we don't have a connection or vibe, there's no reason to end what we have going on. So what is that literallyent It feels. That's what I'm saying is that it's like you're my first sh. but I'm like's what I'm Nya. I'm so confused by that answer. Yeah, but this cast that's I I feel like I'm not. everyone yeah, like I'm like everyone is so like acting like they're getting married next week. And I'm just like this, we have so many weeks of this program get through And it's just like the fact that we're sitting here talking about before we've even hit week two, that we're sitting here talking about like, oh, is he allowed to explore somebody or is he leading her on? And it's like, imagine if this were the real world. Like it's like if I've been dating somebody for a week and I'm like, oh my God, but he might be interested in someone else. Yeah, he probably should because he met you last week. You know what I mean? Like it's what I'm saying like the actual time capsule of like what's going on in this show and the reality. And then it's like, yes, I understand it's a split reality A day there is a week, a week there matters though. But I'm like, but at the same time, I'm just kind of like, we've had two before maybe bombshells come in, like there's so many more to come, you guys.. So I'm just kind of like it gets I feel bad for those bombshells. hard. You're all closed off. You all are talking about this as if you guys have known each other dated for months, years on end, and it's been a week Like you guys should still be open to exploring. Nobody should be the bad guy because they came on a show that's dating To end up with somebody after this in the real world and be like, oh, well, I met him day one and we've been locked in ever since. If that's everyone's story this season, what is the point of loveve Island? That statement to me is not confusing I would perceive that maybe this is toxic of me. I'm like Great. So I'm playing the same game as you. Like that to me, I'm like, okay, if somebody tells me that it's not, it's not confusing. of like, wait, so he likes me, but then he's open or whatever. I'm like, cool cool. I'm keeping my eyes open for the next bombshell to come in because I too will pursue if there's a vibe because I know I like that's was was it Corbin, Melanie bullshit where it was just kind of like Oh, can I ask permission to like talk to him like I won't evenleep I won't even and it's like because you're my best friend girl You guys don't know each other Like it's just it's just weird how it's like all of a sudden it's like these are all my best friends. This is my boyfriend. No, he's not. I think they're playing by rule but just the season's you're supposed to be exploring that is the entire. I don't think it's about exploring. I think it's about communication. And again, it's not like I'm just one person. When I was on paradise, right? Like early on They asked me to go on a date with a girl named Leah and then they asked me to go on a date with Amanda and like And so I went on two dates and with, you know, on the same day, And right away, it was just more like I knew who I didn't want to pursue a relationship with. And I was just like I just said it. I just told her and I was really direct with it. you know, I think Casey knows If he deep down is curious about really getting to know Soul better. You know what I'm saying? I think he knows that answer I think he knows if if like a different bombs show, if he's just like, honestly I don't know. she seems cool. She's pretty but like not my vibe. I just don't think there's a there there. Maybe I could be surprised if I get you know, told to have a chat with her, but like I think you mostly just know And what I'm saying is I don't think Casey is saying that to N. I don't think he's saying a more direct version which is like, listen, like She's obviously attractive I am curious about getting to know her. I want to like see if there's a there there because like this is about exploring and you are my top connection, but like I would be lying if I said I am not curious about seeing if there's something there. And I think that's a lot more direct than saying Well, if there is a connection, there's not a connection. We'll see, it's out of my hands. I don't know, but like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because he sells it in a way that is reassuring to her, but trying to get himself an opening to have the permission to talk to Saul. And I just think It's like there's a yeah, is it a difference? but like it's about the communication and the directness that like just tell her the thing that so sh. she can deal with it And he's just a wiener. Like that's what I'm thinking because I'm like He basically said with that quote that you just read If she's if it's mutual, then sure Basically, what he's saying is like, I'm not willing to risk this relationship to pursue that. But if she comes on to me, I'm going to go for it. I feel like I'm like we. no, no, no's no, no like It was like, I'm gonna go have a conversation with Soul and like get to know her. If she's also into me and it's mutual Then we're gonna explore. Okay If it's not, if she's like, sorry, like you're not my type, I'm like really feeling sincere, you're just like, I just like, don't want to step on an yice toes, whatever it is, her reasoning is then like he's not going to continue to pursue her. So that was sen Before he had the conversations with her. Or was that said out was. Okay. I guess I was say like soon and then sincere told her In That case, he was like, yeah, she looks like his ex. And honestly hot take, but it's like I feel like Kenzie and Corbyin are playing the game correct where it's like, hi, make out, have a couple. still have your conversations on the side. And if we have more chemistry, if we find that like us being pulled apart brings us closer together, then like we're going to couple up. but I'm like and I want to take back even what I said about sincere having to choose something because I'm like at the end of the day, like Sincere's just more annoying because he's using his words and emotional manipulation to victimize himself almost as if he's like put in this situation like, oh my God, Sophie's choice, whatever shall I do. But it's just like at the end of the day, the entire game is about having options and ending up with the right person, not the person that you think America's gonna to like you with, not the person that's not sting on anybody else toes That's right exactly. And that's what I'm like you explore. It's like you didn't marry the first person you dated. Most people did not Thank God for that. So it's know And they also cou up because they stood behind a like sex position door so many times likeike that that's majority of them are still coupleed. when you was like found you behind the dogy stle door. I was like, o, you could have left that up. So what I'm saying about like I'm not making sense about Casey. He could have been just more direct and he's choosing not to be No, it's not that you're not making sense. I'm just saying that I'm like, I just personally don't think that it's the worst thing that's being done on the show, let alone do I think I the worst thing. I just I am just saying The way he is communicating to her, if I am a nah, I could see why if for someone who I'm excited about, really into, he has played a role in how she feels about him He has said things that made her feel safe and vulnerable in a manufactured environment. And he is pretending like he doesn't know why she's acting this way and why she's getting so upset because like he's just trying to explore. And this is why I'm praying to the loveove Island gods for a person for Anaya in Casaor because that's what I'm saying iss like right now she doesn't have any other options. And right now his only possible kind of other connection was Soul, which he would didn't pursue. So I'm just like at the end of the day, like These are who you guys have. So I'm like, I would love for her to be tested because I'm just like she doesn't have any other options. So of course you want all of your eggs in that basket and you want him to be receiving all of those eggs and putting all of his in it. But then I'm like that's just not the name of the game. So I'm like I hope that there is somebody that makes Ana's head turn a little bit and be like, oh, Am I going to move the exact same way that KaseC was moving? but like now it's okay because I'm the one that's in that position Because I'm like, if you had another option or if you werere interested in someone else, then you would be talking to other people, but she doesn't have anybody else she's interest. Well to me, it's all about how Anya will communicate that with Casey if she does have that option.s not. If it's in a Costaore, she's going to be coming home with him. Sure, but eventually she'll have to like explain it. I don't know. It maybe won't be Casaore. Maybe it' be before Casaore. I mean, I bet we're gonna get. I do wonder like win wins Casa. twenty second. It's playing in theaters, by the way, and I'm strongly considering it. Oh, so we like we're gonna get some bombshells before, no? I don't know, I feel like they're slow rolling them in, but I would love that love that. I mean, it would if listen Soul is Available now She's with Caleb Well We'll see how long that. I don't think Caleb knows what to do there. So we'll see maybe They'll sit in a bombshell Anya and Casey can go explore Seoul and we'll have a whole separation and new connection. I want two male bombshells, A to make the men in their standing. But I also want them to be Melanie and Anya's type. That's what I want. I want like to a te and that these guys come in be lining for the two of them. and then I want to see how Cincere handles everything. And I want to how KaseC handles things. Yeah. Well, Kata is just gonna to get snatched up no matter what. I'm just like, let Zack get comfortable. Yeah. Let let the rug get pulled under his feet and I'll watch him do that All right, well, we'll obviously have more Love Island to unpack as the season moves along, but we had the bonus episode that everyone was talking about N Sorry. A notothing burger. that you thought? Nothing burger. You're hungry. Amanda' still dying. Yeah, it would have it definitely would have landed better if we'd known that they didn't go to Italy together. Yeah, the Amanda Amanda and Lindsey conversation would have been more like, oh, we're getting more from Amanda. I feel like I'm getting more honesty, mayaybe a little bit more of the lightbb has come like went on with Lindseay kind of pointing out some of Wes's fuck boys ways. But like to your booy's point, we know how the movie ends and ends with him spittning each other's mouths You're a liberal spay And Be yeah, like Lindssey was making so much sense being like, yo and you know, hearing Amanda You know, in a way and almost And I'm not one of those people who wants to pile on Amanda and, you know, call her a narcissist or whatever the fuck. but it does Knowing that she went to Italy, it almost makes it feel like she maybe, you know listen to us or listen to the internet and be and gave her the playball explanation of like her vulnerability and how she hasn't feeling been seen or loved in a way where it's just like You can' Maybe she should't have to listen to anyone. Maybe that's just genuinely how she goes Maybe so, but she said, I guess what I'm trying to say is she said it in a way where like a light bulb was going And if you're going to say out loud, I made this bad decision because of X Y or Z then you know, isn't that part of the like, well, maybe I shouldn't keep making this decision becausecause I'm acknowledging that it's bad and I have an explanation as to like Wh we make bad decisions, But once you have the realization that it's A, a bad decision and B, why you made that bad decision, a lot of people are like, I' I'm gonna try to stop doing H You know what I'm saying? So I guess what I'm saying is it makes it sound now that we know how the story ends Disingenuous. Yeah The contradictions left and right coming out of her mouth was just like insane to watch. And it was like Lindsay using I don't know, sixth grade level manipulation with like, well, do you know what W said about you? And she was like He said that' fucking bullshit. And it's just like, but yet again, you had so much time knowing that you're having this conversation, knowing that you wanted to have this conversation to get your ducks in a row and to make points. And yet again, all she did really was lie and then make it about Kyle. And it's just like, I don't understand why people don't care about how Kyle treated me. Wh This is why I did this because and Lindsey's cutting her dead in her tracks being like, but that doesn't excuse what you did to your friend Two things can be true at the same time. Sorry that you went through such a terrible relationship. and when Lindsay ate her up with Isn't it sad that like with everything that you've done that we've all forgotten that Kyle was a terrible husband to you. Yeah. And it's like you were winning. make you angry. It should.. And it was like, I really appreciated Lindseay being the one to have that conversation with her. But it was like even when she was talking about the timeline and being like january seventeenth, the first time I was at West House and it's like, girl, there's still TikToks up of you at his house in your PJs in December So I'm like in intimate settings. So I'm just kind of like you've been lying and the whole thing is like you still don't understand why people don't feel sympathy for you Also when she said that she hadn't watched the show because she can pinpoint where people are going to read into things. if there's nothing to read into and you did nothing wrong, how would you know that Like how could you be like, Ohh, if I watched this episode, it's going be really triggering for me because I can see where people are going to pick things out that if nothing happened Do you see what I'm saying? How would you know that?? How would you know what moments would look weird if nothing was Yeah, I guess what you're saying is There's a there's an implication that there was something going on with these two And whether she can remember the specific moment, she knows that like now that they everyone knows about them, that they were probably It does suggest that maybe she knows that they were a little too Yeah When Lindseay's asking her about like their future, what their plans are and she's like, she starts off with I've talked to West about wanting to have kids, but then she goes, I've never had that conversation with him So it's just like, so then what So you had a conversation about someday in the future that you both would like kids, but not with each otheright. But you're having this conversation with Lindsy as if it's like, don'try girl I've this figured out.'veready had the conversationure. But you still admit the truth embedded in like your fantasy of what actually happened versus the reality And then also with like the West and Kyle, first of all That dog could not have been more distracting It' like some PA needs to take this dog though. So cute though. Like they're trying to have a serious conversation. He's like ling to the mouth. like someone's killed do. Yeah. Oh, alsoso wasn't it wasn't Kyle like, Ohh, and you like know this dog, which is weird in itself.ike that's insinuating he spent time with the dog. But even like When he asked him about being in love with Amanda, and he's like, I mean, I said like I love you when I left the room that night. Right. And then he's like, but in February is when like we first, but it's like you guys You just have got to stop lying. You know. And it's like it's just and if you're gonna to do it then be consistent with it. But it's just weird how badly you want us to believe that everything started in February and like What you're saying to us is that within two weeks you guys fell madly in love with each other enough to make a statement but not enough to sleep with each other. R. Yeah, that was really confusing when Amena was talking with Lindseay because she referenced I forgot what it was, but she referenced A statementh. And she said it in a way as if they weren't even like hanging out or anything Barely even together. She's like I was still like I was telling him no, they're posting all the screenshots in their text where he's like, come hang out and she's like, sorry now And then and then we released the statement and then Yeah she is the way she said it she implied as if Wes's question of like, hey, is this a thing And she is like a light bulf thin out That is hard to believe. That's what I said. L even if it's a crush, whatever it is, it's like you know, even if you're fighting it, like when you start developing feelings for someone. It's not someone's question. And even the like I love you question at the reunion where it was like, oh, we don't say that yet but yeah, you guys started saying it to each other last summer. So like why is this any different? Like if anything, the way that you guys are validating your relationship is that there was a friendship there first and now you guys have fallen in love But yet you can say I love you as a friend, but we can't say I love you as this thing that we don't know how to define it because we're still trying to figure out how we feel about each other. but I love with you. And that wasn't the first time that he said, I love you over the summer. We got like several moments of them that wasn't the only time then she said, I love you holding his hand aftering the chair So it's like, whyy was that the moment that you thought to call back to when you're talking to Kyle You see what I mean? L why that moment That's what I'm saying, I'm just like the constant lies and then it's like, okay, Miha' still in the picture No literally c calling each other six hour phonees. which she said he calls now because, you know, her her And this is the man that we're going to give up our entire career for. I didn't quite get that. What does she mean because the man's looking at the phone or whatever, like if you went through there's no text, there's no evidence. So it's just him giving a call. You can delete a phone call He goes off Hallong, I guess around New York and calls me h. But why? Why is Mihia still bothering talking to him Well, I think that's more of just like a She because this was a normal girl who was in this she thought she was in this relationship. I mean I get that, but like we're still talking? Well, no, because remember he said he texted her. you won after the reunion. And then they didn't speak for a minute and then he called or wanting to apologize or want So he's the one that sparked it back up. off course. And of course you're going to take the phone call because to her point, she was like, I thought I was in on the joke. I thought that like I was the secret that was so much fun because it was his career, he's doing his thing, but he loves me and then come to find out. you're one of many Yeah. att least you're the main girl. What do you What do you guys make of West and Bravo planting in West acknowledging that his he's done with TV when he was like, my TV career is done, which that wasn't an accident of them A of him saying that and B of them including that Why do you think they did that as opposed to like, you know, everything else was Wes is getting fired or they didn't renew his contract and a lot of speculation around. is interesting because that it just came out. TMZ reported, right? Like the day was it the day of or the day before that he was done with Summer House. So it's like M I wonder if that was always left in or if after the news broke, they werere like Whatever, if we can keep it in. He did say that he was like, I just feel like when you do a bad job at the reunion and it's kind of the things that come to follow. So I'm like, I also wonder if he didn't know when they filmed this, but he's assuming because I'm sure that there's conversations that were happening about their being No's that statement was not him assuming or getting ahead of it. That I'm saying like there's definitely conversations that had to have happened about their The way they showed up at the reunion, there's absolutely no way, especially if Andy's asking on camera, if you guys are taking beta blockers, there was a conversation that happened after the fact that was like, this is unacceptable. So I'm like I'm sure that he if he didn't know for a fact that he was not coming back at that point, he was assuming. I know I've seen a lot of that speculation online and maybe there's some truth. No doubt that Bravo is pissed that they didn't show up to the reunion and he's on his podcast Yeah Garantee. That's frustrating. But I don't think that's why someone like him or why Bravo doesn't bring them back And don't I don't even think it's for morality reasons. You know, there's a lot of bad people on reality TV. They keep renewing their contract I think just like objectively It was basically like a poison pill decision that they made where they completely disrupted just like there's there's drama and friend groups and then there's basically doing something that makes it just untenable to make now, you know, these shows are about these theseese relationships and the push and pull and the fighting and the making up and like just the dance. There's no dance anymore with like West and especially like the summerhouse group. Yeah. We I think the executive producer of Summerhouse did an interview with Variety recently. Fat out said that Seerar is the future of summer house. Well, Sear is the future of summer house. Well West is not going to be on T show And I just wonder if maybe I suspect this is they're going to be putting him on pause and then if he wants to come back depending how things play out with Amanda and West. Because if a man in West don't last, like we suspect they won't There's no room for West on either of these shows I think When you look at Brava history, it's like People can show up men, specifically and women can show up and be absolutely rotten on camera and still have jobs and do like way worse things in my opinion than what West has done. I think the issue is that he's doing all his awful things off camera, even the relationship with Miha, being like, I'm going to have this full on relationship, keep it a secret, and then go project an image of myself on TV that's completely inauthentic, that does not connect with the audience. You just have to show up as you are and if you're going to be messy, you can be messy and we'll renew you every time, but you gott to do it on camera. Yeah that is true. It's like you're You're not even giving us anything. anything. Like like like sence. Yeah at the reunion Yeah, that's right. I mean, and Kyle Kyle is is a professional. takes his job seriously and that allows him to be make mistakes, be a bad husband talkaled the way he did to Amanda and still have a job because it's, you know on camera. It's on well, you know, and again, you could debate o other rewarding bad behavior. Again, this is a reality TV show where like we we whher we we Judge it or not, like we want the drama. But Kyle is a professional. He shows up. He's always in lockstep with Bravo and you know, whoever's producing those shows to be like, you know, I'm taking this seriously And like, yeah, clearly West West like did whatever West wanted. West moved. to benefit West. And again, like when this all this news dropped, I don't think anyone was prepared for it. I think it like created a lot of headaches for a lot of people at Bravo and a lot of decision makers. And yeah, sure, it's been maybe good for summerhouse and you can debate whether it's been good for in the city. But it's caused massive headaches and and and and just issues for people And I, you know It can be short term beneficial, but like that is not how Bravo has made this massive universe and all these shows that have been successful and how Summerhouse has gotten ten seasons by like moving this recklessly and not kind of just like being a professional. And I think it has more to do with that than you know, morals or or, you know just like I think they the how they showed up at the union is one One thing But I don't think it's just because of the reunion. I think it's just how He has moved throughout where it's just like, you can't we can't work with you And then I'm wondering too where there was the rumors of Summerhouse the Ozarks so that's where I was also kind of like Depending upon, I mean, obviously, there's rumors that like West has said that his relationship with Bravo is fine. and like at the same time, that could still be something that like they film next summer or whatever and surprise Jump scare once everyone's moved on because like that's the reality of the world that we live in. he wants another shot and he promises to do work a certain way. you know, he's's get another opportunity. Yeah, like the people just get put on pause for a while, but it's just like once another scandal will happen and another TV show and we'll be back to like, oh, wait, compare it to Scamanda Yeah, you know what I mean? So it's just like it's It is what it is. you know, I don't know that that he has the capability to grow and learn. I don't know that we're going to see anything different from him. A lot of people don't want to. and I also get that to There's there's don't want to and where you actually not watch you know type of thing. And I think there's a huge difference between the people who like say I'm done with them and like we'll literally not watch because of some sort of like Stance Stance, which I think is far less rare than being like, if I can hate that person, but like what did they say? Yeah. You know West's podcast is doing pretty well these days. I was going say a lot of people said that they wouldn't watch in the city because of Amanda in West and hello, it's doing fine. Yeah doing fine, but Lindseay has been taking two X Literally just ex polishing huh? Aren't the same thing? O threads Sorry, Threads. I'm surprised they even called it X. o, know honestly. I was like, what is that? So sorry. Who am I? But yeah, we was like just eviscerating this man saying that what he wass trying to get the OGs fired, said that he smot like hot dog water. She alleged that he's still like sleeping with other girls as well with the man Still being an F boy and I'm just like, this is just so embarrassing I assume she's not making this up. Can you imagine like some girl posting a TikTok being like, I've been dating West for the last two months Did that happen? No, I'm just feel like, can you like can I cant see it happening? L, you know, I All I know is he giggled and says, I know I probably owe a lot of apologies to a lot of people and I'ike you're giggling while saying this. Yeah. Okay. Tles you. Yeahed Well, I think that will do it for today's episode. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest Bea. It was great to talk with her and certainly excited to see more drama unfold on loveove Iland. with appppreciate you guys all listening. Don't forget to check out my substack. 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