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It's Wednesday, july first, and this is a repeat episode of Behind the Table, when I sat down with Anna Navvarro right after our interview with Jill Biden Enjoy, and we'll see you back behind the table on Monday, july sixth All right, we just had a huge show. former first lady or I guess you're always the first lady. Jill Biden, Dct. Jill Biden was here today. There's been there's some first ladies who were never ladies, but fair enough Fair enough. But this one certainly was doctor Jill Biden, and she was on. She a first lady and a doctor. I mean, pretty good. And she is on to discuss her new memoir view from the East Wing I mean, is there ever more tailor madeade title for someone to come on the show with? And I want to go through some of the things she. I kind of get the feeling that she named it withith that double entendre. I think so too She should have put view from the East wing. That no longer existsot dot dot. The view from the East wing of the UFC fighting cage. really what it is But there's so much that we got through today. There was a lot to talk to her about. Well we started with something important and kind of somber. We talked about how President Joe Biden is doing. He's now living with stage four metastatic. Pstate cancer. Yeah. And You know a little bit about what prostate cancer is. I know a lot about it it seems shocking that The doctors admiss this in someone who Ostensibly would have the greatest access to anyone on the planet What do you make of this? I still can't reconcile how they missed it. And you know I remember when this first got revealed that there were some people, conspiracy theorists saying, oh, they knew they just kept it hidden so because he was running for president. I don't believe that for a moment because I think that there is no doubt Jill and Joe Biden adore each other, love each other genuinely, this is not something they're putting on for the cameras. And I think and there is no doubt that if Jill Biden and Joe Biden had known that he had cancer, they would have hidden it for political purposes. You know, cut that Nip that out at the butt immediately I can't understand how They missed it. And I say that as a spouse of a man who's had prostate cancer asst prostate cancer was detected very early on because of a PSA test. It's a very simple blood test. And if your PSA all of a sudden starts getting elevated, they usually check on it. So it's not like They were giving him a biopsy. It's not like it was, you know, they were already taking his blood and running a bunch of different tests on his blood for cholesterol, for this, forg, all the things that they run on your blood when they do it. To me, it's medical negligence. I think if he had been the CEO of any Fortune five hundred, he most certainly would have gotten a PSA exam. I just cannot in my head reconcile it. I do get where they're coming from where it's like, okay, if the doctors, you know, I mean, like I don't even know that you know, if I don't even know that I would ask, you know, o, what about the PSA Now she does say in the book, did you actually read the book? I've read excerpts of the book. Okay, so I'm listening to the book and I'm really enjoying listening to it. I'm like on chapter twenty six of thirty six. I enjoy listening to it because in the audible of the book Sometimes she makes references to certain events and speeches. likeike for example, she makes a reference to the u primary debate where Kamala accused Joe of being a racist because he opposed It was a big deal It was a big deal. And believe me, she hasn't forgotten. Kamala Harris talked about school busing and said that little girl was me, that you know very poignant line at the time And then you can hear it. When you're listening to the book, you can hear what Kamala said, you can hear what Joe responded. And so I really enjoy listening to Audible. But back to the prostate cancer I'm really kind of And I'm sure she is. It's just she's not a person. I think she lets go of that kind of anger Um I'm I'm angry because I, you know, I wanted Joe Biden to have a great, great Last chapter, this guy has gone through so much personal suffering And I found from her answer when when, you know, when I asked her how Joe was doing She just said, okay You know, she didn't say great U she didn't say feeling strong. she So you know, I asked her backstage and she said it exactly the same way and It was concerning Yeah, it felt it made me a little It made me a little sad because, you know, Joe has been in in great physical shape. He's, you know, he's been an athlete. And he deserved, they deserved to be traveling the world and going to all the places. It made me sad when she said that there was a moment when she was looking at travel magazines and thinking, okay, now that we're out of ob. Of course, whereere are we going to go And and, you know, and then they get hit with this An cancer diagnosis just roils you. You know, it changes your world. It is scary, it is mind numbing and Here you know I know how I felt as a spouse hearing that Al had prostate cancer. and his was stage one, and I knew that it was easily treatable and that he had ninety five percent chance of it being eradicated, which it has been. It's probably been about ten years since then And so the difference that it would have made to find out that he had cancer five years ago as opposed to when it was stage four and metastasized to his bones, which means pain. metastasized to his bones means also a very painful cancer c. I just think it's it's a it's a ye I hate it. Well tryin for him and and, you know, to your point, he is a strong person. he is He's also a You know, as I've said many times, I've known him for thirty years. He is an eternal optimist And he has gone through so much in his life And you know Um She said in the book, one of the lines that she said, when you've lost which really hit me hard. She said, when you've lost a child There's very little that can shake you. that can really kind of shake your core beliefs. and Joe Biden hasn't lost one child. He's lost two children And, um, And so I, you know And and I think All of these experiences I missed terribly because it's made them it made them more empathetic throughout their lives. Nobody Nobody could give a hug and give condolences and give sympathies and give encourage like Joe Biden And you know, I know that I received it when my mother died from him and, um And I know he did it time and time again with fallen families of fallen soldiers when They visited cities after disasters where people had lost their homes, had lost their lives And I miss that kind of humanity and ability to empathize, ability to feel other people's pain from a preident. I think it is a very important part of being a president. I think having the ability to hug Americans to hug the country in times of grief. I think so too. And we've seen it. We've seen it on our show, how compassionate he can be to people that are hurting. I know. And But then, you know, you follow one of the most compassionate men, I know, Joe Biden, with a man who has a dark heart, if a heart at all. Yeah. I mean,e Donald Trump's inability to empathize and relate to somebody's pain is just, I think, weird. It's a weird character. you know, you've talked about how you know the Bidens very well. and my takeaway from today was I always find Jill to be overwhelmingly honest in her u reactions to things she's prrotective But she also doesn't sugar coat a little bit. and I thought we saw some raw emotion from her today on a bunch of different things Funny enough, in the book, she talks about how she grew up kind of like in a repressive culture. like they never really spoke about Hunter They never really, you know, they they kept the entire bow cancer thing, quiet because Be and Bowe's family wanted privacy she talks about how You know, Joe would wake up a bunch of times at night to go pee and she never had a conversation with him. Hey, Joe, you think something's going on with with your prostate. She mentioned it to his doctor Hey, you know, this is happening, you might want to. And she talks about that about how She talks about being at a campaign event when somebody asked and she just kind of let go And so She's that which struck me, you know, because I mean I'm I really am an open book. You know, whatever is happening, I will tell you. And I always say to people, nobody can ever extort me Because before anybody tells you the bad things I've done, I'll tell you the bad things I've done. and without any shame But I was struck by I said to her Back I said to her the other day, you know, when I was reading the book I said, My God, you're like you I think in Ecanto I think Lyn Manuel based that song. We don't talk about Bruno on your family because they don't talk about Bruno. they don't talk about Hunter, they don't talk about cancer. they don't talk about And And she says in the book that she always thought that that was the way to do it, that that was best. that that's kind of how she grew up, you know, her culture and her the way her she was her upbringing But then she said, you know, I've always thought that that was the best way to do it to kind of hold in your emotions And now I really wonder Today I want to tell you about our friends at Czy Earth. Can you remember the best night of sleep you've ever had For me, oh, it was last summer and the Amalfi Coast. It was unbelievable. Ocean breeze and best sleep I've ever had. 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And I have to tell you, I believe so. I believe she has not read the book because I have a hard time. She wrote very lovingly and with a great deal of affection in her book about Kamala and Doug. I have not gotten to the end of the book. so Um, I was surprised when I read Kamala's book because I had seen them together, I had seen Joe and Kamala together. I had seen Jill and Doug together many times And I had seen nothing but genuine affection between them so I was surprised when I read Kamala's book and I do believe Jill has not read it because I don't think she could have I don't think she could she doesn't seem to be one that lets go of grudges. Like also we asked her's really what I'm getting. We asked her about, you know, Nancy Pelosi and George Clooney and Well, you've been holding on to that for a long time. You've been saying that you think the Pelosi grudge is not going anywhere. Well, I asked her. Yeah. I asked her in a commercial break. I said, haveave you spoken to Pelosi? And she said, no She said Joe has which does not surprise me. becausecause you know, Joe Biden is just You know, he's he's he's, I mean, he's just you' talk to anybody. He doesn't he'll talk to anybody and I really don't think he holds on to grudges But Jill Biden is an Italian girl. Asays Nancy Pelosi. And I think that was a particularly hurtful thing. They had been friends for fifty years. Well, that's something Jill said. She said, theseese are people She felt betrayed by. she didn't say the word betrayed but she Well I said to her these were lifelong friends and she said some of them for fifty years. fifty years. That's an obvious reference to Nancy P Nancy Pos And so yeah, I asked her if they had spoken and she said she said, no She said, we've also we've also not been together. I haven't seen her at you know, any of the funerals or the different events where so they haven't been in the same. That also means she didn't necessarily call when Joe was diagnosed. She didn't I mean, there's a lot of things to unpack there. Well, let me tell you, it would piss me off to no end If somebody who I considered a personal friend went out and said things in the press without speaking to me. I dont think I would be I don't think I'd get over that in this lifetime or the next U All right What did you think of the of the I mean with your producer's eye? I What did you think of the interview? Well, listen, we did you how did you squeeze a third segment out of them The timing worked out. She was able to stay for another three minutes. For those who don't know, she had a heart out and had to get out, but we asked her on the break to stay and she was able to. but the U you know, she's done a few interviews this week. so I was curious. I wanted to make sure that we covered the things we had to talk about, like the debate and her saying that she thought that in the moment she thought he was having a stroke and things like that. But I was also eager to break some new ground. And I think we did. It felt more personal. And you know, We talked about that moment when, you know, the debate and then the aftermath. And I remember, I think I said this the next day table and I've said it all along and I think people have thought that I was lying or I was exaggerating. I remember seeing the Bidens, which I brought up to her twenty four hours later at an event here in New York where they were doing an LGBTQ event for the DNC And I went backstage and I spoke to Joe We talked about the debate the night before and what a disaster it had been We talked about, you know, what the campaign was looking like. I said to him, Joe, you cannot grew up Um It was a different word, but I you know, I said, you cannot screw up like that again or, you know, it'll be the death of this campaign. It's going, you know He He told me, you know what? I mean, we had a full conversation And so I don't know, you know, I asked her today and this might sound crazy, but I mean, I have done this. I ask if I remember I mean, let's put it in context, everything that was going on Hunter was on trial. right around that time and had just been he was either still on trial or had been convicted. Joe Biden had gone like on two or three international and Tr Tratlantic. Yeah. No, he had gone on transatlantic, but also across the country. trips He had a cold U there were a bunch of different things going on and I said to her, I said have you know, and he was eighty years old. I said, couldould it be possible that he drank something? And she said to me, I don't know because I wasn't with him. I didn't I was campaigning on my own and I didn't meet him until it was the time for the debate Because listen, I'll tell you something I have drunk. Tha fu nighttime when I thought it was daytime. I have taken two Tylenol PM when I thought I was taking two Tylenol. You've drank a bottle tequila while you thought you were brushing your teeth.. I you know, I to me it's that performance was so inexplaining. It was shocking. I remember thinking like, oh my God. And I you know, and also look, people, um, are angry that she's now saying I thought he was having a stroke. I was afraid and that she went out and defended his campaign performance You you have no problem with that. You think that's just what you do. Rri. Yeah. Like I have have a candidate loses. I have seen people who are not married to anybody who are who have no love for them, who are like paid spinners and I have seen them go out and defend the worst performances I've ever seen in a debate and say, our candidate won I mean, I'm yet to what is a wife supposed to do? No, I mean what is What is a campaign staff are supposed to do? What is a wife supposed to do? Go out there and say my God, my husband sucked. Isn't this the worst campaign performance you ever saw? I mean, no, I mean, even a few people want from her as far as they went afterwards, I remember it was a lot of them all saying, he had a really bad night And that was probably as bad as it's going to get. What was interesting to me But also I think you know, is is who she is and who they are is that she said to him That he said to her, I really screwed up, didn't I? Yeah. And she said, yes, you did to him. you would to your husband and as wife would to me. Oh, he wouldn't even have to ask me. I would tell him, you know, same. I would listen, I told Joe Biden that the night afterwards But when but when the cameras are on That's not what you say. Right As a wife. No, you know. So I don't know why people expect differently of her. And I also remember And she alludes to it in the book, I remember you know There were people thinking that she was some sort of lady Macbeth who wanted to stay in power because she was the one running everything behind the scenes This woman has been a loyal political spouse fifty years. Can I tell you how people that stayed there because I will say this. I have someone in my life, a family member who said to me when I said, Ohh, we're having Jill Biden come on for a book And she said , She wrote a book. she really is ambitious. And I was like, well, What does that mean? Like what is the What do they think she's trying to accomplish? Melania Trump got paid forty million dollars for a documentary about picking a hat to wear at these wearing inn.ure. You know Jill Biden actually, and I like that we asked her that question and she answered, this is my reflections Yeah of what of my life. I mean, she, you know, and it's true she talks about She talks at length about her teaching career, her decision to stay teaching while being F lady. She talks at length about about her students, about what it meant to her about, you know, classes, actual like lessons She taught. I mean, this is something that she's not, you know, making up And, um, I I think Everybody else has made money talking about the Bidens Why the hell can't Jill? Well ye make money and put her You want to put your stamp on his st stamp on it. Yeah one hundred percent. All right, in other news I know And wait.. Py is doing a book event with her in New York today And I' a book event. I'm moderating Jill's book event in Miami on Saturday, june sixth and I think there I don't know if there are still tickets, but if you're in Miami want to go, look it up. All right. and all the questions that need to get asked are going to get asked. This is good. All right, another news I'm going to make her drink wine. Yeah, exactly Joe doesn't drink a thing. He's always been a tea tooddler because he's always told me that alcoholism runs in his family. But Jill I'm gonna get her some wine buuy your tickets before that word gets out. Youo there. 'is I, Queen Mortuana of the Night Realm, AKA Kate McKinnon. And her raaven minion Jojo, AK Emily Lynn. If you do not download and binge my show, heads will roll air apparent on audible, I will cut off your head. Oh no. Maybe just tell them about the guest stars like Richard Kind, Carry Coon, Jimmy Fallon at all. But they were in it And if you don't listen to them then I will cut off your tongue, then cut off your head, and then put the tongue in the head hole. A he tries. Listen now exclusively on Audible and D of the Audible after today are off with your head. I'm kidding All right, in other news, I know one thing you wanted to talk about were the protests happening in New Yark at Delaney Hall, the Iice detention center there. Immigrants detained there have launched a hunger strike over poor living conditions and alleged civil rights violations. It's U Horrible sound stuff. please tell me your reaction to this Well, and you know, it's not the only instance of this Um, We have heard about the absolutely infrahuman conditions in Alligator Alcatraast. Yes. The Iice detention center they built in the middle of the Everglades in the most inhospitable place they could possibly find. We have heard about what's going on in New Yorark in DZelaney. We have heard about deplorable, deplorable onhygienic inhumane conditions in the in in Dillhi, the detention center out of outside of San Antonio where children are being held. And this week on my podcast, Bleep withith Anna Navarro, I interviewed a New Yorker staff writer who went into Dillhy and was following the stories of the families there. Children going to the hospital, you know being sick from dirty water for maggots in the food, not having access to medical care, being completely ignored as they were in distress. We saw the images of that little, remember, little Leam Conejo Ramos, this, you know, happy, healthy little boy. And while he was in that detention center, he was constantly in his father's arms looking absolutely cathartic I have spoken many times to Joaquin Castro, the congressman from San Antonio who tells me about specific cases just the level of malnutrition People understand These IS detention centers are being run by private companies A lot of them by the geo group. And a lot of them huge donors to the Republican Party And so they get given X amount of money per immigrant. Let's just use round numbers. one hundred dollars, right per immigrant per day But if you only u spend fififty of those dollars or thirty of those dollars The other seventy are your profits And so I think I think we really have to question whether we should have For profit operations running detention centers, particularly ones where children are being held. I you know, I think that the reason you're seeing these protests is because Americans are shocked And the family members and friends and colleagues of these people who are being held and are hearing from them. on the phone about how they are living. just will not accept it. And I think, you know, I think it's I think it's going to be a horrible horrible shameful stain on American history. I think we are going to be Your children are going to be studying this and your grandchildren are going to be studying this The way, you know, I read about the Japanese internam camps, justust a moment where you know, you cannot believe these things are happening in the United States. And to that point, the DHS has repeatedly denied that conditions inside the lany Hall are po are civil rights violations. Okay, before we go, let's talk about this poll you told me about. I am a little shocked. I enjoyed this and I thought you'd enjoy it. So here whereere is this poll from? It's on Reddit, which is a corner of the internet you never need to go into. But I don't even I haunt it as well as comments on all the platforms for us. And someone posted, probably hoping I talk about it here Based on behind the table interactions, who do we think is Brian's favorite host. There were about three hundred votes poolls now closed Far and away the winner, Joy Bejar withith one hundred and fifty five of the nearly three hundred votes And last Eight votes. An a Nvar. Now This is not true. First of all, I think it is evident because of your interactions with me. You're mean to me. You're mean to me, but I think it's it's all stick. I enjoy you. you enjoy me. I think we have a good.'s not stick. It's not stick, it's stick for me playing Jeez First of all, anyone who knows me would know that anyone who gets a lot of views on the podcast would be one of my favorite people and you get a lot of views. That's all you care about. All you care about is ratings and V. Joy got me a Webb. Okay.s iss your favorite At the moment, you might be, but no one drives me crazy. And somebody said that Chata should have been there. Chasha would have won the whole thing by herself. Yes, one hundred percent. She doesn't talk. She sits there, she looks pretty What else do you need? Whoopy wasn't even in the poll because she never does the podcast. She's in the poll. She she only got ten votes, but that's not. She got more votes than me and she. She's been on the podcast twice She got more votes than me and she's done the podcast twice. Yeah. Okay, doesn't that make you question Ab your interactions with me I think I have to be more. I think I have to show people the real and honest affection I have for you better than I do on the pod You know why?? Do you fall asleep on the others or do you you just are you just like always battling a yawn when it's my podcast? Because we usually do you on Thursday and the week has worn me down by that. I'm feeling funny. I saw you yawn today. I did not I saw you stifle a yawn right in the beginning, I we started to talk about Jill by sleeping? I don'tleep that much now. Why? Because I have work. Do you not have take melatonin? No, I never have Maybe you should try should Yeah. Are you on your iPad in the middle of the night? Dooom scrolling and going to redit to see That is awful. What people are saying about me. You have got Yeahes, sleep is very important,. Sleep is very important. I agree with you.. As is alcohol. Alcohol also. sex. Very important. Well, there H we go. All right on. I think so. We have nothing else to talk about. Well, we're out of time, I think is the problem. I had other stuff to talk about, but we'll do it in another time. You' gotta be nicer to me. I will be nicer to. I think people are pting up on something genuine. Let's be clear here. I am very nice to you. I'm at your Beck and call at all times. I'm telling you what celebrity you're taking a photo with. I'm fixing your iPad I you S sometometimes you give me attitude when I ask you for trivia questions. Yes, but it's like Saturday I said I'd be your You said he phon a I phon a frank Yeah. you wanted me to do the celebrity millionaire. Celebrity millionaire. I was already like sweating bbies about it. than God, the schedule didn't work out But I asked you if you would be my phone a friend. And I said, yes, I was hond. You An enormous amount of useless trivia knowledge in your in your head. It's the role I was born to play, honestly. really alough it also they also what I didn't know is that you get five phone of friends. And so depending on the topic, you can call either one of them. Right. So I was I was coming in with a strong list. All right. I still think at some point we get the whole view on it on a game show at something. You will never get joy to agree. You will never get whoopy. That one's harder to agree. That one's harder.. Yeah. All right. We'll work on it. All right. thank you for joining me today Anna Nvarroo tomorrow. be nice to me. I will be nice to you. I'm back tomorrow with Sarah Haynes, who rated much higher than you How many bo did she got? Like fifty something. Yeah. I got eight I was in the single digits. You' in the single digits. People think you hate me.t make you abuse me. I adore you H HR