Future Democratic Candidates and Leadership

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But let's get into some of the things we talked about on the show today. Care, you said some things that I wanted to dive a little bit more into. You mentioned the fact A lot of journalists after that Trump attacks M He then kind of calls them on the side all the time Have you seen this personally? or are you just hear this? It was a dinner. I shouldn't do it because it was a very well known White House reporter, very well known. He's a very good friend of mine. And she had been attacked by Trump by name and making up names about her. like he does that. He makes funny weird names like Democrats or whatever. And don't know I don't even know her. L that was the thing. phone rings It's Donald Trump. And it was like essentially a hay girl tone. Like ye And I'm familiar with it because like a lot of people who attack me then call me or text me Not everybody, but a lot of the times there's a lot of performative nonsense. And so he is what it is is he's so desperate for attention. and he is I have to say, an A plus student of media, right? That's the one thing he's will say I one time did a column where I called him the world's greatest Internet troll and he's very good at it So is AOC. There's a lot of certain Tuerto Rico' good at it. There's a bunch of them. and, um And he's one of the best. And so I knew he has to get attention, and he, of course, strives to focus in on New York media, particularly television media is the same thing. And Caitlin, I think he has I don't want to say affection because it's something weird happening there, but he He admires her in a way. think one they said it at the panel today, but the most shocking thing about it was it was unprompted It came out of nowhere. She hadn't beenation yet he's looking a lot of things are in his eyesight, right? And she's off she puts herself in as she should as a broadcast journalist and he's just, um He's almost obsessed with her. It's creepy. And at the same time, it's obvious like what's happening there, which is, I don't know, what I mean you were Well, he's such a creature of media. And if you think about it, like he likes to fancy himself as this big real estate tycoon, but what he was most successful and was was television. Absolutely know was the apprentice. And I often talk about him as the executive producer in chief. L he's constantly trying to make made for TV moments. I think you actually said this to me off air The back and forth with the reporters, he actually likes that. He likes to look like I stuck it to the mainstream media. I think he actually likes it, likes it. Yes, he really does, but he also needs them. He wants to get his stories out there. That's why he goes to them. That's why he's calling them. I doubt he's calling the, you know, my pillow guy, but he's calling John Carl. Why would you callan? Yeah, why would you want suck ups at all? They don't help you in the he doesn't respect them. That's the thing het need to be liked There is and when he's not, I think there's a fascination with why why don't you like me. Hence the like whyy are you's It's paid attention to. must pay attention to me. I mean, it's an endless well of need of attention. He's an attention sponge is another word attention horror is the word. But he really is and he needs it. And I think he really does You know, he used to leak to all Cindy Adams or she's used to this. likes he leaked his own affairs. Yeah. So there's nothing, everything is consumable for the media and in the new information age It goes everywhere. and he does have a keen, a lot of older people An't good he really does understand especially for his age. Unfortunately, he's starting to rot from the outside inside out, right? kind of. And so youre he doesn't like that. The visuals aren't great, but he was, you know And he will take it, that Barbara Walters interview that's now getting for some reason vial right now again, which is of fantastic interview by her. He just sat there. He did take it. and But he wanted to be seen as important. And that's what and that's a whole And that's what all the naming things after himself. Now and legacy shows great insecurity and great smallness actually. Building monuments and Look what was at the end of what he said to Caitlin. He was like, and we've done this with the border. and we've done this. and it's the greatest. we're the hottest. Yeah. And they' always the hottest And we wanted peace. They don't want peace. L what? You know, just think about what he has to list his accomplishments is That's really telling to me about someone. and it's sad actually. I'm not And I feel sorry for him, but Well, there is something lost with him that most presidents before him monuments built to them were not built by the men themselves were built through Congress to honor them. And I don't I feel like he doesn't knows they're not going to correct. So he's got to build them. He knows they're never never He's not Reagan, by the way. He's not Reagan. was a very different president. and you could have criticism about Reagan, but he was a very different president. It was interested in service. I didn't agree with him. The aid stuff was appalling. But I mean, you know from the inside, he's much more self deprecating I've heard this He is absolutely capable of being self deprecated, but he doesn't like to let the sort of veil slip when he's in the public eye. He's very aware, likeike I'll give him this again, the TV producer in chief, he changed the lighting in the press briefing room. That got like no attention, but that backdrop is changed. It's better lighting. He's very aware of what looks good, what sounds good what to him is perceived as tough that is important to him. And I do think when it comes to women and why he tends to attack the female journalists more is He feels like he looks weak when he's really having it stuck to him by a female reporter grilling him.. It's something that like just gets right to the core of who he is. Right. I want to ask you about something you said, You mentioned I mean, because I think one I understand he sort of used to get the joke and now because he's so surrounded by sycophs He now believes the joke Right I think that's true. If that makes sense. I think previously when you talk to people, he kind of was in on it and like he knew, right? Yes Now it's not because of this constant sycophency, which is a real problem. I think that's right. But you mentioned that a lot of times Trump supporters like want to sit down with you. They want to get light with you. That doesn't surprise me at all. But why do you think that is? And how do those conversations tend to go? Because right now, you know about it started about eight, nine months ago, and I knew the jig is up. They know it. Everybody knows it, right? Because it's going down. and I had articulated that I had articulated you're seeing signs of weakness very clearly. and there's small signs, but everyone's like, he's strong. I'm like, Is he there's a lot of little moments that I had predicted polling going dropping through them. And Scott disagreed with me. It was interesting. And one of the first indicators was these Trump people reaching out. And I was like, oh, they want to do their now You know, Vich' France is almost over and therefore, we must talk to the Allies. We must get in conversation with the people who are going to come and hurt us later. And so you see that and it starts with the reasonable people, right? And you know who they are, right who behind the scenes, by the way, the whole time, They insult him to me. Like I just want you to tell you I think he's an idiot. And you're sort of like, get the hell away from me. Like how dare you? And so that it starts with them, but it gets to a level where they know what's coming and therefore have to show up in places because they know what's coming for So they're trying to protect themselves Oh prove themselves. I just want you to know, I don't think he's great. I don't agree with him on killing people in Minnesota or I don't agree with him on what he said about that. And the slush fun. L it was before that. It was stuff he was doing previously. I mean it adds up for so much. I mean, are there true believers in everything does? Yeah they're absolutely. Marjie Tayor Green was one. She was and now look why is she so vehemently against it because she was a true believer That wasn't a lie, neither Massy, I don't doubt. They really believed it. I mean They're suckers because, you know, and I think They're the ones where the numbers are starting to see real weakness in it, But the others would abandon The way the Trump administration is going to collapse is going to surprise but this is my prediction. becausecause JD Vance has the charm of a cybertruck and he is just not going to be able to hold them together. The only person who actually would be an interesting person who I think everyone when I ever say a people laugh, Tucker Carlson, I think has great appeal. It's come up a lot It's great appeal. It's remarkable how he resonates with people. I find him so deeply off putting. A lot of people who knew him back in the day were like, we don't know what happened to him. I knew him back in the day too. It's very funny, very ed He wanted to be George Will. He wanted to be a thinking man's conservative I just can't imagine what Tucker fifteen years ago would think of who he is today. Well, that Stewart encounter, that John Stewart was it brokeent. it broke.. It did. But I have to say he's, you know at first his first online stuff, and I watch people's online behaviors and stuff was weak. It didn't work. He was in that weird room, but he's really getting any stupid visit to Rushsia, looks like an idiot But he's he's honed it. I look at all the right wing stuff very everyone' like whyy do you watch it? I'm like, 'use I'm watching what they're doing. Yeah. And, you know, Meghgan Kelly's You need to know what's out there. You know, you not just to know what they're saying, but how they're doing it. They also Ted. clip our stuff and yeah, I'm always you, you know, you guys are around Meghan Kelly I am too. Exactly. drives it. I have to say, I talked to her about doing podcasting when she got fired and we went out and talked about it. you know, she's got some skills, right? It's just that she has to rage against women. and so I get on there a lot. And so fininally, when she keeps attacking me, which is tiresome. like is so probably is fair. But ats one point she was doing some dumb thing. and I said, you got it's never going to happen with us, M. It sllow down. sllow down. amazing. I have to say her she's very popular.. She absolutely is. She was a guest on this show. And good at what she does. Today, I want to tell you about our friends at Cozy Earth Can you remember the best night of sleep you've ever had For me, o, it was last summer and the Amalfi Coast. It was unbelievable. Ocean breeze and best sleep I've ever had. Well, good news, you can give yourself an amazing night of sleep every night by upgrading your bedding to cozy Earth. 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I spent a lot of time on right wing media, just like the focus on family, everything else. They have a playbook. They have never recovered from gay marriage winning. like they have never recovered from that. And that is one of the one of the I always look at what are the pillars of people's things. And when the Epstein stuff when Elon tweeted that Epstein thing I went, oh This is it. and it's at the pillar of Qanon. It's the pillar of MAGa Epstein And everyone' like oh, it's going to go away. I'm like, this is not going away. If you pay any attention to those those those message groups or any of their media, it's right at the center of it. This is also at the center of it is gay rights. and it has to do with women. anti gay is version of misogyny in some fashion, especially focused on men But but it's it's really I always thought the minute it happened that this is what they had to get rid of. and it's very resonant within an ever smaller group of people, but they were going to seek to U to get the acceptance down. And of course, the New York Times' new polls are showing that Republicans the first down it was up up, up, up to the right, right. Now there's a slight downward. It's not due to Democrats, it's due to Republicans because these messages work. it started when they started going after transrf, I'm like, oh, this is how they're going to do it. because There's discomfort among some people. People are they don't know what to think, if especially if you live in small towns, really most people li in siditer are like, o, whatever, what happens? But you're not used to it. And so they're very easy to propagandize or demonize in some way. And so what they were doing was they went for transfer to the bathroom and the bathroom didn't work Because everyone's on a plane and everyone's It just was like no one's coming to get my daughter in a bathroom, not a man dressed as a lady. that kind of that's how they think. I don't think like that So that didn't work, sports worked. Yeah. Even if it's totally small. L even like my mom was a Fox News watcher was like, trans feners, Cara, it's a big issue. And I was like, oh, come on. Fencers is a small number. the trans community one person. I'm not concerned. I would be shocked if there are two That was it. it were. It eats at you if you have that kind of mentality And of course, I was like, this is ridiculous. But then I was like, you know what? it works. And instead of being angry about it, I was like, why does this work? So sports worked, and you can have a legitimate debate about this issue thenen they ulify it, right away from let's think and talk about it and figure it out. And then they ugify it and make it bigger than it is. And then I was like, what they're really going for is gaymares. Do you think this is an opening salvo towards? Absolutely. If they could get felt overturned, they will do it. And it's not a particularly strong case Lwy I'm not lawyer but lawyers tell me it's not a It's not the strongest case in the world And that was the one that gave gay marriage. And so yeah, and so they'll leave it up to states, which will be horrible again, as I recall, because I was around before. I hope you're wrong. You aren't often If I could tryim in on that, I think you're absolutely right. The thing that gives me hope and I want to give us some hope during Pride is two things Gorsuch has been interesting on LGBTQ rights. He obviously came down on that significant ruling around like hiring and firing and discrimination practices The Supreme Court did decline to take up a case that was seen as sort of a pretext to try D Kim bring that terrible, terrible But I think that you're absolutely right that states are where it's at. You're seeing this in Tennessee right now where it's like if you're not going to be able to do it at the top, youd keep pushing these throughout the st feeleeling back of rights at the state level and people have to be watching it in their communities and knowing that it's happening. And the bill that was codified in the Senate, I want to say like a year and a half ago, it didn't fully go forward in protecting marriage equality. It Democrat should have done that. It should haveressing them if I may use a personal thing, when I had my first two kids We had to do the most extensive amount of legal st. It was so expensive. It was ridiculous just to be protected on adoption and who got the kid and everything else. It was terrifying. And traveling into other states, I was nervous about being able to talk to my wife at the time, like if she was hospitalized, and I had a friend who had a terrible accident and she couldn't get in the room when this woman was dying. it just went on and on. and then when it passed, I'll tell you the moment it pass when they passed eight in California, that one thing that got rid of gage, essentally stopped marriage, which then Gavin Newsom moved against It was Obama won that day, and then they also passed proroposition eight We should have been very happy that day in our house. My kids, I remember my son, Louise, my oldest son going, Are we not a family anym? And it like broke my heart. And I go back to those days with my kids, I have younger kids now again is terrifying. likeike I'm not to be able to go to Tennessee. I can't go to Florida. I can't go to like if it's state by state, it's insane. It's insane. And we have like Cstitutionally, though they'd have to honor What happened to other states, wouldn't they or is that? No, no that The whole thing is the whole thing is so unclear if they that's why we needed the federal one. And when you don't have the federal protection it just the fourteenth Amendment is, they don't like the fourteenth Amendment. It's very clear, equal rights under the law. And so You just see you could see what could happen and how there could be terrifying. And you know, again, I have four kids and it's now the ones are older, so it doesn't matter anymore, but it matters for the othernger kids. And what's really the most terrifying to me is the idea that people who had thought this way and then changed their mind and saw families were are now going to be, you know are going to change their minds again. And it's entirely possible. And that kills me. And sometimes you know, especially when straight people go all like, you know, virtues signly about their straightness and their nuclear family. You know, one of them, one of them was talking about it. And I don't tend to like to insult people that don't have kids. like you don't have kids, that's your choice.. But and some one of these right wingers was going on and on. And I said, listen I have four kids and you have nunes, you need to sit down. rightight? Like you need to sit and you know now as a parent how that bond is so and any kind of danger toward them is And it's dangerous. Yeah, you know, although my boys are like, we'll get them, mom. know. So that's why I formed the militia Eetheridich I love that. I caught that like just yesterday. ye was good.. But by the way, again, my pieces of hope, still sixty five percent of Republicans support marriage ority. whichich if you consider that to twenty years ago That is tremendous progress. It doesn't feel good because you're like, wait, but then that still means that such a large percentage down But I do think seeing it in culture, knowing people in your own life, having family, it changes people's hearts and like we can't stop talking about it because if people just take for granted that it's You know, it's settled It's autority doesn't breed contempt breeds, you know, love. And so I do think people like it. I'll neverget my son. We were traveling in one of these states and we were sitting on a couch somewhere, the four of us. and The couple didn't quite understand who we were. like didn't understand what was happening that we were too because they kept saying Mommy, mama, kind of stuff. older woman was looking and was not getting it. And my son, who was seven or eight at the time, my oldest son goes Mama Mommy. Mommy, mama And looked right at her You got it lady, got it, lady. And I was like, I love my kids That's amazing. The kids aren't gonna put up with it. That's right. The next. Younger people I want to Change gears again. It's something we were talking about on the show a while ago, that I also heard you talking about on your podcast. It was when Mark Cubin came out talk you heard of us doing it too. We had a big conversation at the table about and a big disagreement where he supported Trump RX. And there were people at our table We're very unhappy with Mark Cuban. Y, standing behind Donald Trump. I think Joy said, you know, you lie down with dogs, you're going to get f. I know. But At the same time, others including Alyssa were saying that this is very important. And I know somebody who's paid attention to what's going on knows Mark well. tellell me your thoughts on this. Well, right when it happened, I texted him, I said, you got gretched. remember greched with M and he lagh He goes laugh out, you know laugh out loud. And then he said, if you think I'm going to not go there and et in this exchange because it's critically important just so I look good's not going to happen because he's bringing price in. You know, some of these drugs are two to three thousand dollars, he's gotten to seventeen dollars. So I think the mission is the most important. And I think it's a mission. It's not like the other tech bros are just trying to get tax breaks and all manner of stuff for themselves. He's trying to get lower prices. genuinely, this is a genuine thing for him That's one. Number two, Mark doesn't care what anyone thinks ultimately. And if something's working, he will embrace it no matter what. There's no way around Trump and this issue. and to get in that essentially CostPus controls that exchange now. It's like five hundred and fifty of the six hundred drugs in it And so they need they control that. And today it is called Trump RX. It's not going to be called Trump RX in the next any administration. They' going to change the name. It'll be USARX or something like that So that's one. and two There's nothing can do when you're standing there. What everyone's like, he should have said something. I'm like Re. grab the mic. Grabb the mic or just made a face. Like what's the point of that? It would have been self indulgent on his behalf. And it's flounced out. It's just there's no choice for him. He is working on this thing. and people are mad at me when I said it. I'm like, he's Like Kim Kardashi and she had to go up there and get the things. she just You know, you have to go there if you want to get it. he's in the way. So if he's in the way, you shake his hand and you hold your nose and you move couldould you do that I guess is my question. I couldn't. see that's where I don't I don't have a No, I couldn't. I' have to say something. Let's say it was gay marriage and he's gonna work with you and sit and talk you Well if he would Yeah I mean I might have to. I like you're absolutely right. There's something like that might I might have to. You're right. And you have to each of you at some point, and it's not Trnt Drangement syndrome, I get why people are mad. I get it. I don't He's a terrible person. He's done terrible things in this case There's no there's he is Mark can to wait three years for people to get cheaper cancer drugs I guess many people will die. and so you have to make these calculations. I don't think it's acquiescent. You know I don't think everybodyone's like, oh, he's running. I'm like he's not running. I've tried to get him to many times. and he just laughs in my face. You know, he's doing it, he's one of the few people who I genuinely believe is it iconoc cllass in that regard. And so many people are contrarian for contrarian's sake. I think he really is He'll do what works and he has progressed from someone who was such an arrogant He and I used to argue about like to someone who's really become a really interesting character. I don't think he threw Kamal under the table. He supported her Yeah. And I suspect he had issues with lots of different people He supported Niki Haley first. This is a very centrous person. But by the way, I think is like he's one of those people he just wants to see things work better. That's right. And when he feels like he has a solution that's gonna to help more people It's I think it too often is framed as like, it's giving w to Donal Trump.' like, it'siving win to people who are getting lower cost drugs because of this. And I don't think there was anything he could have do. The same thing with this White House correspondence dinner thing that they were going to show up. I V I even was like, I'll pay for these scholarships at this point. Yeah and I'll stop doing this dumb dinner. But I think, you know, I covered it as a reporter at the Washington Post when I was a kid And I hated it then. I thought this is ridiculous. Why are they doing this Why are they dressing up and socializing with people they cover this way? It does feel conflict of interest was gross. Even as a twenty year old, I underood in in my twenties. And you know, one of the things that I was thinking of was had the incident not happened, If he started insulting them and say they insulted Caitln or Jake Tapper or whoever they wanted to insult What do they do? getet up and walk out and a huff? What What is the move? There is no move. The move is don't be there, essentially. And so now that they're doing it again, I think it's appalling. It's appalling that they're doing it again. And what are they going to do if he goes after them? sit there. The most anti press president in history And that's saying a lot, by the way, because Nixon's there and a bunch and John Adams didn't do so well on that topic. I don't believe they're sitting there. I wouldn't sit there. That I would walk I wouldn't be there to walk But that is different. That's a distinction. It's like getting if you're trying to advance policy that matters and is good for people, that's different, but just merely giving someone an audience to be able to take shots at you insult you in person. like it's kind of gross Go to the parties. That's fine. Whatever There's a lot of schmoozing hing takes. you know that you know, there's a lot of schmoozing. I have to sit with people I really don't like in a party setting. And it's fine, but it's not that. and that to me is so the impression you just tell them you don't like them while you're I of do. and they like that. I have done that. I'm guilty. But they're sitting up there is really acquiescence at the I don't even blame him. Of course he should go. He's smart. Like again, I don't blame him for going because he's winning in that one in that encounter Can I ask you, how do you think there's been like some criticism from myself and others about Democrats not being able to seize the moment when Trump is so historically unpopular There is so much to go after him for. How do you feel about where Dems are as far as like honing a message and actually resisting him with something that can translate into votes. I do think there's an argument about how to do it, right? and everyone has a different opinion. And one of the things about Democrats is they never agree on it. they don't Republicans get in line and Democrats get out of line. I remember being invited by Nancy Belosi to talk about digital issues many years ago from at one of their off sites, right? And I was just saying, look, Digital is happening, kids. and the only person here and she had just been elected is this AOC lady. You need to pay attention to her because she's fantastic othertherwise nobody was doing anything effective. And so U, you know, and it was such a raucous group of people and my son, who I brought my other my second son with me and he's like He asked her like, these people really don't get along. And she's like, yes, yes. You know And it's true. And I think there what is the message? My feeling on it is Embrace that, embrace that kind of we don't agree kind of thing, which is a good thing. You have Mickey Cheryl, who I think is a very talented politician in New Jersey, who's very different than Abby well, they're similar A actually, Abby Senger, who' similar. But then you have Mum Donny, then you have Newsom, then you have Predskury, then you have Andy Bashir. L why not say you know We contain multitudes. this okay? We're going to do. I don't know if there is a unified message. The only unified message is Affordability Why are we in Ir like Iran? like why are we spending money when you can't afford groceries And this frigin family is the mobsters. likeike I think that's an effective that breaks through. And what are they hiding in the Epstein files? It's a very what are they hiding? What are these Rich people taking all the things from you. And not demonizing being wealthy, but these people is a really effective thing. I think ultimately U When you said centris, it's interesting. I don't believe in centrism. I don't think there is such a thing. It's like vanilla. L what is it? Like What is it center? And besides I don't think that's a very compelling thing. And I don't think the right the far right or the far left are compelling either Most people agree on lots of things. So what is that? Its the reason It's not the center, it's something else. It's that most it's commonality. I think we should come up with new words. The center means you're a little acquiesence. It makes it seemound like you haven't made up your mind. Right, exactly. L what does that mean? Independent is a better word. agree. People are often surprised when I express say I wanted to be in the military, and I couldn't because I was gay. And I love the military. I'm very patriotic. and people are like, oh, how can you be the way the country is? I'm like, I know, I know what it's done to gay people. I know it's done to black people. I know what it's done to Japanese people. I'm very aware. But at the same time, I'm proud of a lot of it too. You have to be able to contain multitudes. And I think that's the message of the Democratic Party, especially when there's a cult happening The Trump cult is really a cult. and the minute you get out of line like Marjorie Taylor Green or anything else, you get like killed like essentially. And listen, Do I agree with Marjorieo agreeing on Almost anything, no. And she always pops out with an anti trans thing, right? R you think Oh, good just when shes I know. No That close to. Right. Andort dabbles in ant sub. Why come together on the stuff you agree on and then have a good fight about the other stuff, right? And I would rather do that than I just think centersm just it doesn't appeal to. I love what you just said though I think that's so smart about like we contain multitudes. If Democrats can really do that, like we are the big tent. They are the ones who, it's this narrow, you have to be fully with us or you're not with us.ight That has legs. I so hateful and non joyful. I think Kamala did have something on that. to joy Joy. Like like, oh my God, life is hard enough. Do we have to hate each other too? And I do think people are coming, you can see it You know, that whole dunking culture online that happens, the polarity of it. It's just I'm not that. like I'm not this, I'm not that. And one of the reasons I have to say that pivot is so popular and so high up in the news division we're often in the top we're always in the top ten, essentially, but it we're surrounded by like Meghgan Galley and Dan Bunch. You're the one that's not that. Well, it's Podsve America does too there. And soort does the Daily, but in the news category. But one of the things I think we're displaying is Sotton Aree on some things We don't agree on things. a lot of stuff civil. But we do it civily and we convince each other of things. And I think one of the friend's like, why is that your work? I said, becausecause it's a learning process of the two of us, and we don't always come to terms, but we certainly try to do ites. And it's not a hug it out either's like sometimes we leave it on the floor and sometimes later we go back to it. And think I think people are desperate to get along in the way that social media has heed us so much It's rare in our show that someone changes their mind, but when it happens, it's the best thing in my opinion, because it means that people are listening to each other. I don't know I thought Sonny thought for a minute when I I think so a couple of things. which we disagreed on what a reporter should say. Yeah And It's not just because I'm a reporter and don't want to make a spectacle of myself. and that I have the experience and she's a lawyer, but it doesn't like if you think about it, it doesn't do any good, even if you'd like to. R. But that's indulgent. It's great when it happens and I I love Caitlyn. was. She I want a shirt that says I'm still from Alabama. So like go so quick.. And she is conservative actually. Yeah She definitely leans on lots of stuff. Yeah. I've known Kaitlyn since we were both like twenty years old. Yeah. She's like She's really she's I got to tell you, one of my favorite people We've we've kept you too long, so I'm going to wrap it a second. but I did have one thought when I'm talking about the Democrats or who's going to come up Do you think there's any appeal to the public in somebody that wants to reinstate safeguards and decentralize the power that Trump has put in Is that something to run on will I don't know if that once you get that power, why scary. Like, yeah, that's the thing. You know, one of the issues around Trump is even though it's obviously a move towards authoritarianism, he's some incompetent. he surrounds himself by incompetence. And so but someone who's not incompetent, That would make me scared. That makes he's competent enough, I tell you. You know, I don't know. I'm interviewing all the candidates, the Democratic candidates. and each of them, like if you could build someone out of a bunch of them, that would be great. you know, in a lot of ways, some An anyone jump out at you I know it's early It's early For some reason, I keep focusing on Pritzker, although the wealth is an issue and I think but I think he's very self deprecating. He's very fun when people people don't know him. I think that's the issue. I had not known him and I spent a little bit of his time with him and I thought, interesteresting. He's been a guest here and that was my takeaway too. He's very interesting. There's a lot more onnce people get to know him, I think that you know, you look at Andy Bashir, I was like, o he seems so dull, but maybe you didn't respect. He didn't set my world on fire. I think I've heard so much hype I think people are so desperately trying to recreate Bill Clinton.. And he didn'tite have the cllinton gravit He'll be back in the fall for his book. R Yeah. No, but I don't know. Like people develop, right over time could come with talk. You know, I don't know. It's just very unclear. Gavin hasays a certain things but do California around Yeah, right? whichich is the obvious thing to say, th very talented politician You look at I like governors. I like a governor. I just like a governor and I think about that's the most or a mayor of a big city, things like that, like those kind of things Um, I still, I do think AOC is a more compelling character than you all think. no, I hundred percent not for Alyisssa, but Yeah I think. She's not. She's Watch her move. Oh, she's by the way, I think she's brilliant. I think watch her eightight years ago compared to now, there is such tremendous growth. like she is making moves, she is doing things. I would offer her name, though, John Ossoff D Awad keeps hyp he glowed up the more justectify him. But the more I hear him, I'm like, this is there is there's a quality there and an ability to land a point in a way that just any he load himself up in physical ways and the whole the shirts so is what he's doing. Yeah. but he's a handsome man and it works. It works great n you're right, John Also. I have not interviewed him yet, but is he is really interesting. Georgia is an interesting state. I do. And also I do think Cal Rico iss fascinating We many levels, only because what is I always look at what's appealing here. What are people being attracted to? And he's got a really nice message. And you know one of the things I call him is Baby Jesus. I'm like Baby Jesus is really great. And I met him in Austin and I called him Baby Jesus and he's like, I wish you wouldn't call me that. And I said, Well, I could call you BJ. if you. And he's like, No don't call Baby J. We'll go to baby J. My favorite part is like they try to make him soy boy. I try' Oh my go They're talking about themselves. everyvery accusation is a confession with these people. They're talking about their own Tiny penises. some confident man has ever sat around talking about like his concerns over another man's testoster. Like that does not exist Exactly. So it's really interesting calling him that. And then he comes out with like the hot I shouldn't djecty a woman, but she's fantastic.. Oh yeah. objectively like that Wow, impmressive, impressive resume and you're like You idiot, didn't you even check was like the New York Post thought that it was like dunking on him. I was like that he has a hot girlfriend. L we're really doing that.ight Yeah. But you don't know. they might have stuff on him. They have stuff on. Look it look the platiners. everyone has hair on them. That's what I'm waiting for in that race because you know, what's his name Paxton? who's just Well in this The Cornan folks were saying that they had a lot of ammo on Tal Rico. I don't know if that was just bluster, but I bet I bet everybody has ammo. Yeah. The question does it work today anymore. Trump has given everyone permission to be Yeah, we don't care about affairs anymore. Those kind of I wonder if it sticks with other. I don't know if it's looking platina. We'll see All right, well, listen, thank you so much for your time. Obviously loveve your set. Thank you. I love it too. hope we compete in the webbies you' lose I will lose to you, but it's there for those who haven't noted our Webbies is arrived. Yeah spy. You can put food in it. Exactly my wife asked if goes down the stairs in single or in pairs.. You can put stuff in it. It's really. so yeah. What do you put it in yours? I have so many, you know Yeah socks. We're on our way. Well, we'll probably submit this episode. but thank you so much for joining us. You can catch Cara on