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Alright, here we go What's up everybody and welcome to Taiwan S. We were here for Conputext this week and of course, the highlights are Well, one of them is from ComputeX. NVidia wants to power your next Windows laptop with their RTX spark chip We are going to be talking about that because I was going into this thinking completely DOA Absolute garbage. Why do they even bother and Now I have some more compomplicated thoughts And in other news Proton male is letting folks send emails from their Gmail addresses, making it Maybe easier than ever to degoogleify your life AMD extends AM five longevity through twenty twenty nine. and also the honestly, most important news of this entire week with Computext going on is that after twenty two years, you can finally download paint. net fromr the URL pain. I knew you were going like that. It's great Someone's reallying mean. hopefully. Are they The show is brought to you today by Vessie, Squarespace, MSI, and Xapier, alongside our wrap partner, Dbnd our Razor partner, laptop and our chair partner Razor I'm gonna pretend I did that on purpose You're gonna pretend you noticed. All right, let's jump right into our headline topic today, which is, of course, whichever one was the headline topic. Producer Dan, I forget what the phone ph Google phone. Oh yeah, we didn't even mention that at the beginning of the show. I wish I could say I was jet legged right now Is it This is probably Google's coolest feature that they have announced for Android in my opinion in years Android is fighting phone scams with a new feature to prove who's calling They're rolling out. Fake call detection, which is aimed at scammers who spoof a contact's number and use AI voice cloning to impersonate them. So we've talked about this extensively on the WN showow. Your mom calls They sound exactly like your mom, but it's actually a scammer asking you to send emergency money to some Bitcoin wallet or something But rather than analyzing the audio to detect a fake voice, what it's actually doing is a cryptographic check between your devices. So when a real contact calls you, their phone will quietly send your phone a real time confirmation signal over end to end encrypted RCS When a malicious actor spoofs the number, which they can do. Veritassium did a whole like video on this. Um They can't spoof a signal if that signal, if that encrypted signal is missing thenen you'll get a warning that tells you, hey, this could be a fake call, this could be a scammer. Now The catch is that Both people have to use the phone by Google app and have each other saved in their contacts. They have to be running Android twelve or Ner, and they have to have RSS enabled. However There's a tiny little note in the footer of this press release or article or blog post or whatever it was that I was reading that says And hey, by the way, this is based on RCS. So we like Totally want it to be a across platform with other people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah This is So freaking cool. I was gonna say, obbviously love the idea of the feature, but the locks down like this is literally talking about your parents, my mom is an e exxactly so it's like, ah. but Again, RCS based, this could be multilatform. Hopefully becomes that because this is going to be a big problem already has been for some people. Yeah. I know I don't know if I talked about this on WNhow and this wouldn't have exactly worked. but I've had an AI voice caller that had me tricked for a while. Have I told you that?? No. Okaykay. so I'll go for it. I got a call from I thought it was just funny at first then I picked it up and while I was on the call, I was Googling it, it's real, but it was like the firefighters curling Uh, like fundraising thing. Holy crap. It's You've got like yeah, hyper brother dad. Could you be couldould you have been more targeted than Firefighters Curling Association? I have to look it up again, but it's like a real thing. Honestly Cling Association C. L like could it have been the, you know, the the guild of Luke L Fignier family who play wow And they could have like like like that might have been slightly more targeted. That's Yeah the Canadian Firefighters Curling Association. And they do actually do fundraising. So like it's Yeah, and they're not really fundraising for themselves or fundraising for like community causes and stuff. Right. And the voice on the phone sounded very real But it asked and it wanted a contribution. and I was like, I mean, okay, I can maybe do something. But they wanted payment information over the phone And I was like, no, no, no, just tell me like what your website is and I'll look it up and do it there. 'use I'm not, there's no way I ye. And then It got really pushy. about wanting information over the phone. And it started feeling not super real at that point So I started asking at certain things and got it to kind of loop and realized that it was not real. It ran out of context. But like the voice genuinely like fully sounded like a real person. I mean, that's the thing, right when you're on the phone. There's already, you know, literally robot voice is a thing we use to describe an imperfect connection. Yeah. You know what I mean? So And I don't know that in this context, I don't know this person So it adds something there as well. Like this this feature would not have saved me from this particular problem, but the thing is that that happening one time to me man Mbe realiz that this has happened. And like I looked it up afterwards and there's a bunch of people talking about these calls they were getting And life is a thing. It could have been honestly as simple as you like as them setting up a domain. That's like, you know, firefighters curling association dot or whatever, you know, yeah. ye. Uh And if they had just dreirected you there and it had been believable enough, you might have put payment information in. Maybe Like I do I do check out websites like that, but I mean Maybe. It I mean, if you were putting in five bucks, I don't know. I could see Man, that's crazy. 'causeuse like like I'm okay. so even like the're like checking it out Right? Like, you know, what would what would checking out look like? Yeah, I don't know. Right? I look through source sometimes. I look up like I'll look up the domain and see how other people think it's legit. I like to click around inside the website to make sure like all the links actually work honestly surprising how often that's not a thing. Except like It's getting so much easier now to just put in a pr dly say, Yeahah, just generate this, generate this for me. U and if anything, I find that Hypos are more of a solid indicator that someone is a real human now then Uh, then, you know Perfect copy on a website, but I think I feel like a lot of um, I feel like a lot of things are kind of fluing into that as well. to make things more natural throwing in like the occasional typo. I'm just Man. That was another thing that kind of tipped it off. Yeah. wasas that the voice was like almost too perfect. I know people are talking about compression stuff. There was compression, but like, yeah, right. there was no Us, os, weird pauses or anything. Every line was delivered like perfectly. But at the beginning, that wouldn't have tipped you off because they would probably start with their script. It's a script. But once you're going back and forth and you're talking about payment, And there's just no Uncertainty or and there was like Yeah, maybe someone's just hyper dedicated to the script, but there was lines that were like identical. Right. That was where the looping was what really got me. And then I started like basically laughing at them. ' I was like, there's no way this is real. There's no way you're actually that good. And then it would just like in the loop again Yeah, gotch you It was weird, it was weird. And it was also like, I think, comparatively to your barbecue situation, I got woken up by this call like seven in the morning or something So I was I was also posgitively at the beginning of the call, when it was the most believable, I was also the least awake But I still had the like, obviously I'm not doing this over the phone thing Yeah. It was a nice like default fallback saved me But yeah, like that's crazy. And it's going to get easier and easier and easier for these things to be tailored to individuals over time. And then this danger coming fairly quickly is good. Like another thing that I might typically do to check a website. is I might look for the phone number on it and be like, can I call you back at this number? Yeah. But nothing I'm just trying to think like what some of my safeguards would be and how they're either are obsolete today or they're going to be obsolete very soon Yeah, the number matching thing is pretty good.'s like it's like the general rule like if your banker or something like that ever calls you, just call them back. But don't don't just call the number that called you back. My bank bank find their number individually. My bank called me a little while ago Fr a number that was like not the number on the back of my card And I was like Okay, I need to call you back. And I did and it was real. And I was like, can you guys not do that? Yeah, that's insane. Like we just wasted because I had to sit through the hold queue in I to get back to them. Yeah. So basically I just like wasted half an hour because They're not calling me from the right number. But then you them calling me from the right number doesn't mean anything anymore. Let's proof it. Yeah. So like you generally do just have to call them back no matter what. Unless it's only infok. No, I only go to the tell ear window now I only I only that's it. That's that's's the only way. No people that do that. Dude, it's funny because That madeade per that made perfect sense. And then it was completely like crazy Are you just theast efficient person in the world? What's wrong with you? And now it makes perfect sense again. This is completely unrelated, but We're talking about security stuff and it made me think of this, but yeah, someone on the show floor walked up and they had one of those like ESP thirty two, those like little tiny boards. And they programmed it, they had two of them dangling off their bag and they programmed it to spam AirPods or trying to connect to your phone notifications to people's iPhones that were walking by. and he was explaining how it worked to me. and somebody was walking by with an iPhone and he was like, Ohh yeah, look. and they weren we couldn't see their screen yet And as they walk past, they're like dismissing the notifications just keeps going back up. And apparently this has been a known thing for iPhones for like a long time. and a bunch of people, including this person have reported it That's just like still an issue Yeah, someone's like, yp. It's wonderful playing chat. man. security's fun But Yeah, I know more than one person at this point who is only banking by going in person than talking to each other whichich is feels like we've reggressed a fair amount, but we'll go back to writing checks. Yeah. horses and buggies. Yeah. And then you're gonna to get like dogs mating with cats. Th What's going on? where people are forging signatures again and stuff That'd be great. Oh dude, yeah. I mean, could you could make an autop pen like Oh yeah. like that these days Yeah M rollad Yeah, rollad of the of the the new fake call detection feature is coming ob o this month, globally, beginning with pixel phones and then expanding to Android twelve plus devices. O by default and can be disabled in the phone by Google app settings. but I gott to be honest with you guys, I can't think of any good reason to disable this at this time You're already using a Google phone. whatever creepy thing they could do with sending an encrypted RCS to the person you're calling. It is probably no worse than anything else that they are doing Google hasn't said whether they have any plans to adopt this, according to Wired But if you're an iPhone user, I would say that's the kind of thing that you might want to send Apple a friendly little poke and go, Hey, do you guys want to maybe support this? because this legitimately seems like a It essential fature as we move into the future This u All right, you want to pick something essential U From the dock. Oh boy, hold on, let me look for a second He'll find something essential. You can't live without it, folks. M. I don't know This Oh, yes And Perfect Perfect After twenty two years, you can finally download paint dot net from the URL paintot net. Developer Rick Brewster has finally secured the paint. net domain for his free image editor after the previous owners held it hostage for twenty two faking years. T two years for some reason, either refusing to sell or demanding absurd amounts of money for a free application to be downloaded. The breakthrough came when they made it a fatal when they made a fatal mistake in December of twenty twenty five, they redesigned the site to look a Like the official paint. netT download page with fake links and ads, Brewster lawyered up one on copyright infringement and domain squatting and the domain is now his. That is so Fre king Awes That's actually amazing. Okay, ourur discussion topic is aside from paint. net being based and free, freakaking awesome If you need like a quick edit to an image, it has so many plugins. headad over to paint. net. It's that easy. That is actually so cool because it's been wants to do it. He can't resist. I did it earlier I't. One of the onene of the biggest pains about like suggesting it to people ever has just been like I'm afraid you'll get scammed. Yeah. Yeah, one hundred percent And okay, but our discussion topic is gonna to be What's your other favorite? They should really have the domain. Mine's got to be steamed The fact thataham Powered. Steampowered d. com is where you go to download Steam. Well, you know what it is, it's the same situation from my understanding of it. is the person who owns steam. com knows that Valve has enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens. Yeah. And Valve told them to pound sand way back in the day and is sticking to their guns. And I got to like, You know, respect that at least to a degree but also I do Wonder How many people have been confused? How many hours of humanity collollective life. have been lost to If it wasn't for Google, I wonder what the situation would be like. And you know what? I mean,be maybe that's the answer. Maybe the answer is that it just plain doesn't matter because I don't know I don't know if I could name a single person in my life. Who doesn't Hello, Steve. No, who doesn't just Google? Oh ye R pink net pink onot net was weird because the name of it was a domain So it was like it was kind of kind of especially bad. Like if it was steam dot com If like steam was actually called steam dot com. I didn't know this one. Sorry, go ahead, kit no no, no hold on hold on. I get to a side. Yeah, if yeah, again, if steam was actually called steam d. com And then steam d. com didnn't go to steam. that would be really cool. U This is crazy. I've heard of Nissan d. com In loving memory of Uzi Nisan, a loving father, brother and friend Cast away from COVID nineteen Dude That's incredible P pretty yeah. This man Ooziness on It has the Nissan. com domain, not the car company. Okay How did how did I never see this? I've seen this. so yeah,' not I don't know, You know, I mean, there's too many things on you to come around everything. I am kind of surprised like with Steam at some point with NissAan at some point, like how how do you not just offer a A very high but reasonable number Beause like like steam steam as well. like Steamock they're not even parking it. No, they're not doing anything with it I mean, I'm guessing str. Well I'm guessing they probably aren't because they don't want to open themselves up to any kind of legal peril by doing something malicious with it so that because Valve I think And look, I get it But what I suspect is that Valve would have no problem spending the money on lawyers to rip it away from them. rightight? but they don't want to enrich the domain squatters. So it's I mean it's the same thing that we always talk about on WNhow anytime that there's like scalping on a new console or a new steam controller or whatever it happens to be, right? is like, hey, So the only reason this works is because people give the money to the scalpers Yeah, enriching the scalpers, incentivizing them to do this again. That's the only reason any of it works. And at a certain point, M right I gott to just kind of go, look Don't hate the player. Hate the stupid people who enrich the player Not stupid. Stupid iss a strong word. I don't think they're stupid. I think they are Dad parents They're they're sending the wrong signals and they are They are enabling a behavior that is that just makes the world sort of worse in general. I feel like I wasn't paying enough attention. Bad parents? They bad parents. Who are bad parents? The people who buy from sccalpers. Okay Yeah, gotcha. I thought you're talking about scammers for a second. and I was like, I don't think they mean to. I get. No. Yeah. So this is another one that I had seen before, but I had forgotten about. Whitehouse. com is an election betting site because I guess the U.S. government Yeah, it's dot org right. So or. gov E excuse me gov. So this is oh, I can't share my screen I guess. but Pancras shared in floppling chat the what steam. com used to look like. And I remember this I also remember that this domain is not for sale is the former home of steam tunnel operations Okay. Nice, sure, solid. U Anyway, congratulations paint. net Rick Brewster. You did it you finally did it. We're genuinely excited for you and for everyone whoever, you got confused by the previous situation. Yeah. abbsolutely awesome. Um, let's jump into oh, hey, can we can we watch the thing Dan Yeah, we watch the thing then we'll Yeahah, but then we'll talk want to do the video the Spiel or do you want to watch it first U yeah, I'll do this spe. What if did an affiliate spot for the LTT store sccribe dririver pen? And I just thought he did such an amazing, incredible creative job of it. So he did a spot on TikTok that's called Here's what would happen If a pen hit the earth at the speed of light. and according to the spot he really loves the pen. He hasn't like told me that personally, like not on the internet. so I have no way of knowing that if that is actually true, but he said a lot of things that I also believe about the pen that it's a really good value, like the build quality is great for the price Um and, you know, technically, according to, you know, the law and stuff Even in an affiliate spot, you're not supposed to say anything that you don't actually believe. So I was really like like seriously, he like lazed it a little. Nice. Like it's very. Ver Um I know a few people that really like complimentary of the Sribe Driver pen. Sammy happened to have one on them. Nice, thanks, Sammy Here you go At the speed of light, no, sorry, no, the speed of light would be very bad. And as you're about to find out, yeah, do you wantan to roll the clip d? if that What would happen if a p hit Earth at the speed of light. sorry LT Fag driver bolt action pan made by fellow Canadian YouTuber Linus Tech Tips. It's stainless steel, over engineered by nerds and has a satisfying Bolt action click Grippy diamond cut knurling and even takes Parker G two refills. It's what I use to draw out all my death ideas for chase. But if this pen somehow hit Earth at ninety nine point nine percent the speed of light, it would be a nightmare. First off, anything with mass needs more and more energy the closer it gets to light speed to actually reach Lighted, you'd need infinite energy. So let's say an alien civilization gets this pen to ninety nine point nine percent the speed of light. Well that's almost three hundred thousand kilometers per second, fast enough to travel from Earth to the moon in about one point three seconds. But before the pen even touches the ground, the sky would flash white. Since the air in front of the pen wouldn't have time to move out of the way, it would get violently comped compressed and heated into super hot plasma. Then boom. The air around the pen would erupt into an enormous explosion before it even reached the su. All right just cut the air so that have to go watch the rest to find out the rest They planed out him Got him Anyway, yeah. justust thought that was super cool. We' We've been exploring over the last I guess it's been months now doing more and more sort of creator affiliate program type stuff, creator sponsorships. actuallyctually, o, I got a great selfie with a couple of channels that we sponsor Um You might like this, Luke ere Like here at the show. Let me see if I can find it. Yeah. Yeah. It was. I don't know if you've u I don't know if you've heard them before here. Let me hold this up for for the people on the camera here So uh Hold on. I disabled yourer auto focus. you'll have to. Yeah, ye, yeah that makes sense. Yeahah. So this guy this guy's name is Andy. He's from a channel called Ziptie Tuning. And Ziptie teech. yeah And then this is this is Sammit Um, he does like drrift car racing over in Japan. Yeah. And he once he had this guy with kind of like a K kind of a loud laugh Yeah, he's like kind of like a laaugh Rer kind of guy, laagh Rnier guy kind of in his car once. He took him out he took him out drift racing. you might have heard of him. It It was a good time. Yeah, yeah. so, I don't know. it's pretty cool. It's been It's been It's been enriching Oh, okay, I didn't mean it like that. It's been fulfilling. It's been fulfilling to No, it's the opposite of that actually. Because I'll be honest with you, we don't really know what we're doing yet. So a lot of the sponsorships and stuff we're doing are not lucrative. Right But what they are is there like like I was looking for another word for for good that did not mean but then I settled on a synonym. Yeah. so it's been very cool moving from the sponsor E to the sponsoror and it's something that within reason, we do want to continue to do more of Yeah Um All right, what else we what else was like so zero dollars enriching. I think potentially negative dollars enriching. Yeah, in some cases, there have been some that have done like really well. I guess yeah. Well, yeah Like occasional occasional ones like links. Yeah. I don't want tona I don't want to like name, you know, which of our affiliates are outperforming our other affiliates? That's not the kind of thing that I would want to get into on the LN show or anything But there have been some that have done shockingly well. and then there's been some that we thought. Yeah, I didn't even mean it that way. I just saw it as like It's I mean, it's a money out procedure. Yeah. ye. Oh yeah. Theoretically through the affiliate links you can track money in. but affiliate so the affiliate ones don't really have as much potential to to like lose money on that they're just they could be, you know, not the best use of time potentially because we have, you know, finite Yeah at work during that employee could have done something else. could yeah. I think it's awible. I think that's good. It's like we've had a problem for a long time of like getting the cool products that we have to people that aren't just our audience. And you know, I think some people have noticed the ads and stuff going on the rest of the internet tryrying to spread it out from there Part of it's also trying to sponsor other creaters and do stuff like that. So we we want to continue to do more of that. What el we what else we got? All I forget how we got on Oh, you know what Let's do it Nvidia wants to power your next Windows laptop. More than a dozen years after Nvidia's TeGra series chips briefly powered a number of Windows RT tablets. Nvidia is getting back in the CPU game with their new RTX Spark SOC Ceveloped with Media Tech, the Sark combines up to twenty cores U to six thousand one hundred and forty four Blackwell GPU cores and up to one hundred and twenty eight gigs of unified LPDDR five X memory in an all new super chip with up to one peda fllop of FP four AI performance for local models. Are we gonna to call them super chips I mean it's cooler branding than APU. It is pretty cool. It sounds cool. If we're going to call that a super chip, I think we have to go like across the board though Well, no, I absolutely think you're right. Yeah. I mean, would you argue that Strixs Halo is not Well, that's what I mean. Like if we call this a super chip, I think that might be okay, but we also have to call Striick's Halo a super chip. I think I'm down. That's fine with me. Stri's Halo is a super it's a superip. And it does feel like it's in a different category. compared to some other stuff including in its price band. Its price band is it a different category. Give us a sec. We'll get Nvidia is promising, slim laptops with all day battery life as well as compact desktops that are powered by these new chips, and they should be coming this fall from the usual suspects, I mean partners, excuse me. Recent attempts at Windows on Arm have been a lot more promising than early attempts in the RT days Microsoft's X eighty six to ArmM translation layer, codenamed Prism, has continued to get better and faster, and many major apps have started shipping Arm Native versions In a call earlier this week, Microsoft EVP Pavan Dabluri told our team that there is active work being done with the developers of Easy Antiat. Battlee and Duvo, along with Wright Games and Krafton to bring arm support to League of Legends, Valorant, and Pub G Pricing has not been revealed Okay. Mr. Luke I think both of us probably went into Computex thinking DOA No, you weren't quite as you weren't quite as negative as me about it. I It was a year and a half late Yes. The word on the street is this was supposed to launch at CES twenty twenty five or announce at CES twenty twenty five, then Cputex twenty twenty five, then you know maybe CES twenty six and now here it is Finally, eighteen months later I I think part of it part of the reason why I had potentially higher hopes is just because of what actually qu call was from doing. M I think a lot of the road was paved by other people here. Microsoft working on their translation layers, Qualcom working on a huge range of different things. This feels like what we've been talking about with AI for a while now, where I think some of the companies that do the best are going to be companies that aren't just blowing billions of dollars right now and just kind of wait for other people to figure it out, especially because so many bottles are going open source anyways. and then just jumping in later. This feels like that situation where like they appled kind of They waited for Qualcom and Microsoft and I'm sure a lot of other partners to do a lot of the initial work. And they just went, e there's a cool chip. And they also Nvidied waiting for there to be a lucrative enough business case to do a ton of the work Um this in this case, it was for the data center, right? Yeah. Like this is using this is obviously a cut down version, but it's using a very similar architecture to their Grace Black Wellell super chips that are for I Um those ones have way more course. I think it's like seventy two CPU cores and then the GPU that't want to it is Yeah is obviously not on the same scale whatsoever Um and clock speeds are way higher on the like, hey, I got hands on with a grace black buy yesterday. It's Cooler is stick Damn, girl. fourteen hundred watts Per Did it fit in the socket? Per per super chip. Um with a little bit of coaxing, a a little bit of assistance Anyway, God I'm too tired for this My reasons for my reasons for coming in thinking DOA were actually less to do with that that I thought you know, Windows on Arm was a total dead end. And it was more to do with just how late this thing was. I was worried that power consumption wouldn't make any sense for a laptop For a device that you know, Carmac was complaining a year ago, like throttled in a mini desktop and like kind of sucked Um, that you know, Wendell has talked about how the performance for local AI is H. not that amazing I was concerned that, you know NVidia would run into challenges when it comes to windows on arm. Yeah. It hasn't been perfect. and I mean The answer for me, whether you want to talk about Windows onn Arm or whether you want to talk about Linux or Mac or any other platform. is always like You know, would you use that? And I go, yes A to risk Boy in that aspect or whatever. Boy do I ever love the convenience though of being able to just run my games on windows when I when I want to and assume that whatever game I want to run is going to run. And I said there's, you know, there's been all that work from Microsoft and Qualcom and other players as well. but I still don't think it's like parody. That's an area where Nvidia seems to be according to their version of the story, doing the work. because Who in the gaming space has more developer relationships than NVIDia Actually, though. Yeah I don't think anybody. They work with almost quite literally everybody. And and basically, you know, Be becauseuse I was like we got through the presentation, we got through the presentation, they're talking about local agentic AI and they're talking about, you know, the efficiency of armed cps and you blah bl, blah, and I'm like,es,es,es,es,es, y U you know, finally, they bring up the slide and they're like And of course it games. And I'm like, okay Okay, all right. Okaykay, but like does it? and And they're like You know, here's all because it was even more than what we had written our notes here in terms of who they're working with on the DRM side and on the anti cheat side And they're like, yeah This is a huge part of why this is taken so long I wouldn't be surprised and I'm sure they do have stronger relationships with some of these companies and more long lasting ones, but Qualcom was already doing a lot of And I'm not trying to qual cal Glaze on the show. It's just like I don't think anyone would think you are. Yeah, okay. It's like these things were already being worked on. Is that some people tried to name some of their stuff Valve, but you know Valve's making some hardware, I guess, but I don't think it's really equivalent to this situation. We're talking about like chip makers. Yeah. It's interesting. att least it's interesting. I don't know how the market feels about it because you know, it's kind of nuts how in the last five days, they're down five percent. In the last one day, they're down six point two percent. But apparently if you go back to the last month, they're still doing great Yeah, the stock. I mean, look, the stock is just stocks are just gambling now, Luke. Six months, they're up twelve and a half percent like here. It nothing matter. If you want to see a fun one, check arm So I attended the The announcement, I'm sponsored attending the announcement of their like AGI series CPUs U and that was I think it was more than a month ago. G go to the six month view. Okay. And I just I couldn't make any, I couldn't make any sense of it Because immediately afterward, like immediate immediate went down. And I was like Well, I don't really get that because what I just saw on that stage actually Like sounded pretty good to me No, no goodood like I like I want one. I need an arm AGI series CPU in my gaming desktop or whatever. that wasn't the point. Yeah ye. But good like Oh yeah AI people would probably loveo the crap out of that. And they're going to like sell a buttload of these kind of The good, you know and it like Dipp And then it went like drunk. Yeah. And and I just don't really So what we're seeing is on a six month view, the stock is up one hundred and forty three percent. U on a one month view still super healthy, sixty four percent U But when you start getting to, you know, your your five days, it's it's down twelve percent. Yeah. And so that's that's, you know, to do with the market The Ply market, you might call it.. Like I don' know how I don't know how to deal with this. L everything is basically just vibes now Yeah, and it's hard to Maybe always was. And to be clear, this isn't a stock trading show. No this is nothing. Not financial advice the with it being such a gambling market, it is The unpredictable nature of it makes it actually really important to a lot of people Because people's, you know, retirement funds are investing it, all that kind of stuff. There's all this stuff coming with SpaceX and how it might be like defaulted into something. Okay. so fix that Did they? The SNP five hundred basically was like No Okay. You have to wait a year. Okay. That was legitimately pretty scary. Yeah. when it looked like they were just gonna go straight into the S and P five hundred index fund. that was like That was crazy. That sounded rough. But yeah, we're looking at again, this is the wrong place to really learn about this stuff, but yeah we're looking at a bit of a blood bath Kind of since Ctext which is interesting. I don't know if it's actually related Ctext. Probably not, I feel like. Very hard to say, you know, I had a really interesting conversation with Dr. Petris the other night. We finally caught up man, I haven't talked to that guy in forever. Actually ran into like A fair number of like the old gang I ran into Jay at at the AUS ROG booth. Oh yeah. I ran into Bitwick, Kyle. Yeah. I was on his live stream. Yeah, he's doing live streams now. Dude, that's like his thing. I mean, it's cool The guy I've told him, I've told him before to his face. I think he has the best comedic timing in all of TechU two. Fantastic. I think he is like the funniest person in in tech on YouTube. And live makes a ton of sense to me for him. I actually didn't know he was doing it because I just I don't consume that much YouTube content, but u Just the vibes of his stream while while we were kind of chatting and hanging out on it, I thought it was just awesome. Yeah U yeah, ran into him obviously, ran into Alex Andy And um, Yeah, it was great. Anyway. So yeah, I ran into into doror Petris and I was kind of trying to wrap my brain around this C't be des because on the one hand There wasn't much. No. There was Nidos RTXpark Nvidia's Nvidia's new u U Vera Rubin Um Like data center, tier announcement There was Wild Cat lake But then Wildcat Lake was actually launched like a couple months ago. And it's just that we're seeing Western available OEM design wins now. So we're just we're seeing it in laptops But the actual chip was a known quantity coming into this And then G three. Noctwa has their thermal syphon working. It we even tal about? I thought the wounding thing was cool. Did you see that? Oh, the like tilty Noap thing. The replaceable dials?. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah ye you can replace individual key switches with dials inst of instead of buttons. I think it's genuinely pretty cool If you're doing, I imagine cad work, video editing or There aren't a ton of them, but games like Star Citizen. Wooting's a shockingly innovative company for being focused on keyboards, which for the most part in a lot of ways have not been. Yeah. Yeah, they are. Yeah. I mean, it's part of their like tagliny thing. they' to disrupt or Yeah. So so anyway, chatting with Dr. Catris about it I was like I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this because there's not much here But on the flip side Did it not feel like the busiest compputex like in years Like it was dude, it was Buzz You mean, like literally people on the floor. Yeah, on the show floor Yeah, I, there's a lot of money in it right now. I heard there was a couple brands that I was really surprised were not on the floor and I've heard a very rumory rumor as in like it's very possibly not real, but I have no idea. that There had to be a minimum percentage of like AI stuff. Beause like we Sammy and I ran into a booth where they were advertising a monitor. And they saying that it was multim mododal powered AI enabled monitor And I was asking like, okay, well how much like comp what compute is in this all in one And they're like, no it's monit And I was like, yeah, I know, but you're running AI on it. So like, how are you doing that? And they pointed to like a mini PC that was behind the monitor. I was like, oh, well, okay, does that come with it then? And they're like, no So the point was that you could plug a computer into the monitor that ran AI stuff Wow U and that really I think what happened there is they didn't want to get filtered out because they didn't have AI stuff to show on the floor. Right. So they just slapped an AI sticker on their monitor and just went with it U So I don't know. I think it's just that there is a lot of dollars, a lot more dollars than normal in this industry. And not just notot just dollars But like real dollars so Ian was telling me Like Normally, this is a very industry event. And it' like, but this year it feels like I can't go anywhere without seeing like Like had like a goldman You know, b No. So see you were like You were you hit the the you hit the nail on the hammer kind of you were like almost there term in terms of his theory anyway. Yeah. But he's like, yeah basically as far as, you know, he's like, as far as I can tell There wasn't kind of an Asia tech conference for Western money Yeah, because you see that at CES. It's very, very common at CES to see the like the investor bank the money people. Yeah. And you can kind of tell when they when they're walking around. And so because Comutext is where Nvidia does its thing. Yep, right Um apppparently according to Ian He feels like Computax is being kind of co opted by the money people to become like the Asia tech conference that everyone kind of goes to and That made a ton of sense to me. I mean always makes sense to me just about when Ian talks because he is a super smart guy, as he always reminds me, he is a doctor. in fact, a doctor. He doesn't always remind me of that. I'm actually making him I'm making him sound worse than he is. It was just the first time we met He corrected me on his title and I have never let him live it down I opened with that, of course. I walk up, he's like waiting for me in a tiny little like noodle hole in the wall and I'm like Dr. Cutris. Yeah he goes aw a you I love that guy. Anyway, when he talks pretty much almost always makes a ton of sense. He's a super smart guy. but I was like, oh yeah, that So this is something that came up for me in unrelated reading. I forget where I was reading it and I can't find the article right now. but apparently U, I think it might have been my brother in law talking me about it. nine out of every ten dollars PE and VC right now is apparently going into AI U I mean, yeah sure I do still think this is interesting. I wish I could share my screen. but I looked up I guess it's on a website called TradingView. I haven't been here before, but I've seen screenshots that I think are from this website of like a stock heat map. and it's just the S and P five hundred stock heat map Some people in chat were saying that these stocks are down because people are just rebalancing. But when I'm seeing over six percent from NVidDia, over thirteen percent from Micron, over six percent from Dell, over eleven percent from Intel, over six percent from Cisco, over ten per almost eleven percent from AMD, and it just keeps going and going and going and going I don't, I'm not personally seeing the other places that this is apparently going to. Goldstown U Yeah, gold's apparently down a bunch. down two percent today. So like I I'm not seeing the other stocks Um that this is floating. Well, it's not always stocks, right? Like there's government bonds. There's land. although land is not as liquid It doesn't really Literally, it's not liquid, but like what I mean is that it doesn't you don't like move sixix point two percent of NvidDia. This is what I It is half a trillion dollars or something like that or no, no, sorry, a quarter trillion dollars. What is it? What does it work out to? It's a five trillion dollarsar market cap So tenen percent is F hundred billion So two hundred fifty billion dollars there So yeah, out of a big deal. So like we should see a lot of green in other segments. Nobody bought two hundred fifty billion dollars of farmland, you know today. Um, yeah, crypto. So Bitcoin's way down Um Like, like in in like Catastrophic crashing whoa. Teracory, Yeahah, have you been watching this? No Yeah I just Friendly reminder, the every minute reminder when we're talking about anything to do with finances, this is not adice. A financial show. None of this is financial advice. the people you should listen Neither of us have any idea what we're doing or what we're talking about The extent of it right now is that there's a lot of red and I don't know where the green is Well I think it was the friends we made along ag. Yeah It might be. It was not real money. Yeah. Like what that's what the boomers are finding out in the Vancouver housing market is that when the value of your house and your hundred neighbors is dictated by the one house that' sold at that amount That money is not real And so You know, it just it can go up, it can go down. I mean Listen, I think Um, I'm gonna to send this over to Dan. He can throw this up on screen. But I think it's really important to remember what Warren Buffet said about all this Okay, so I'm just gonna send this over. I mean, look, I don't do financial advice. Don't believe me I believe mister Buffett, o? So it's a good point. Yeah, no, it's a very it's a very good point. Okay, Dan. D you get that? Yep Okay, go ahead, throw that up, please So when whenever you see anything, any news, right? The stock goes up, the stock goes down, crypto's doing good, crypto's doing bad., you know, gold, you know bonds, everything just Just remember. Remember what Warren Buffett definitely actually said? Yep T advice. Yeah, and it's interesting too. like some of the only stocks that I'm seeing going up are credit cards I'm scrolling through here trying to see like what just happened? And it's not by a lot. It's not by a lot. But they are U Scrappy DP says he said wasted away in Margaritaville. You're thinking of his lesser known cousin, Mister. Jimmy Buffett. Yeah, yeah. I know you knew that. I know you knew that, sccrappy king Oh, dude I just And the really scary part is I'm not really like a math guy. So this was not super intuitive to me But Five percent down is a lot more than five percent up Yeah And so like you could like if you're if you're worth a hundred dollars You have to go up five percent a lot of times to reach like you know a thousand dollars of value But then you only have to go down five percent, like fewer times to wipe out more of it because it like moves faster on the way down because math. because you started higher. Yeah, it's just's because you started higher. So so it's a greater proportion. So that like that growth goes down at the same negative growth rate. I just I never really thoughtought about it because I don't do a ton of stock investing and I Do math for fun. But when I kind of clued into that, however long ago it was, I was like, o, right. so that's why When a stock goes down, one percent. peopleople, you know freak out and panic sell everything, it's over, you know, it's just like scale of things and getting ridiculous. Like NvidDia being down six point two is so insane It's just such a colossal amount of money. It's like that stat I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it right now, but there's I think we've talked about a w show before where when like when the When the GDP goes down a certain percentage, you see like deaths increase Yeah. Like it's it's it's yeah, this stuff gets pretty heavy pretty fast. Hold on, someone wanted an update on GameSop. Basically for tax reasons, Ivon sold it at some point If I recall correctly you guys held it for a super long time, but I also think that was a bit ago. Yeah. Yeah. U, so right now I think Yvonne has us a little bit in some index fund. but like not much. And Um, I have my framework personal investment and then I have my ShTch So hexOS, that NAS software personal investment U But neither of those are public. Little bit of precious metal. I think. And no crypto. I have no crypto right now. This is not financial advice. This is not a financial show, but you guys might as well, you know, know where my vested interests lie Um, and I have, um I mean, realistically, the bulk of my net worth is in Vancouver real estate, which You guys already know. Knowing that we own our office building And like, you know I made the video where I talked about Sash champs, the Badminton Club slash Land Center So For what it's worth U if this helps at all H I've gotten hit harder over the last year than the poor NvidDia investors who lost six point two percent today. But it's also a different thing though, because these are buildings that we're operating companies out of So it's a very different sort of calculus U I'm skipping through. I've gone through like the Chinese index U and the American index, the American index, NSDAQ The Chinese index, the Canadian index, and so far the Canadian index is doing the least bad. U is cool. However is doing that. Yvonne last night, you know, pillow talkal was like, oh my trade just went through So what that tells me is that the Canadian dollar fell against the USD because what she does is she sets up like stage trades so that rather than, you know, hitting it all at once It'll kind of trade on the way U and she's usually trying to catch a high on the on the US dollar whenever she's like setting stage traade because We mostly make USB. Yeah, which I think might not have been fully apparent. But our expenses are mostly Canadian dollars. So we are trying to move it into the CAD side of. Yeah. So we generally try to win on U on the USD being overvalued in a given time and then sort of ease off on our purchases of Canadian dollars when the Canadian dollar is stronger, although that has changed Because we did, how does LMD spend money? I guess it' like six months ago now And our biggest expense other than payroll is now buying product. And that is almost exclusively in USD. Oh, interesting. Yeah. so a lot more of our expenses are in US dollars now. Yeah, I never really considered that. Yeah. Sorry, I just thought this was funny. I'm scrolling through and there's like the NASDAQ one hundred index, all US companies, Dow Jones utility average index, blah bl Canadian composite index, whatever you find. What'd you find? Where' you find? Is it a Nancy Pelosi index? you get down to India, it's the Nifty fifty. And just I just love that And the Nifty next fifty. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's fantastic. Oh, they're doing pretty good. I'm sure there's like a reason why it's called Nifty, but just I like it No one in chat seems to have figured out Where the money going? Yeah a few different people said that it was just like rebalancing, but I don't I cannot find where. I've been obviously I'm not Super informed on this stuff, but I can't find it anywhere Definitely not Russia went to the Russian index, that's not where it's going I u I' seen some I've seen some rumblings that Putin might hopefully finally be getting tired of his stupid war. I have seen rumblings of that too. there's an open letter from Zelenssky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that I saw that too. I u It would be real cool if that stopped. Yeah. I'd be super stoked on that. Glory of Ukraine. Okay, what else we got? AMD is extending AM five through twenty twenty nine AMD announced. Cputext this year that the AM five socket is going through twenty twenty nine two years beyond the original twenty twenty seven promise. That is at least seven years of support, which will likely cover up to zen six or then seven. Meaning that anyone who bought an AM five motherboard back in twenty twenty two can keep upgrading CPUs without replacing their board. Hopefully, you know, sometimes not every board from the very beginning of AM four did ultimately support the chips at the end of AM four U but You know, if fall goes well, then You could be one of the lucky people who has a board that makes it all the way through Um But yeah, AM four got the same treatment launching in twenty sixteen with AMD still releasing chips for it a decade later Two new CPU's are being released actually to back up these announcements The Ryzen seven seven thousand seven hundred X three D for AM five is launching july sixteenth at three hundred twenty nine. four, sixteen threads, Zen four, ninety six megabytes of three DV cash. What is exciting. It's good four point five gigahertz boost clock U Essentially, it's a downclock seven thousand eight hundred X three D at one hundred and twenty dollars less. AMDs can see the gamers are feeleing the pinch talking to You know manufacturers in the PC space They're also feeling the pinch. We' talk about that a little bit more later, but you know, clearly, they're trying to to juice things a little bit and then on the AM four side The Ryzen seven five thousand eight hundred X three D tenth anniversary edition is returning june twenty fifth. at three hundred forty nine it's the same Eight cores N three chip with one hundred megs of cash four point five gigahertz boost It was once the best gaming CPU on the planet Um Now it's still a great gaming CPU and is compatible with DDR four, which could help save you some money on your next system U And this is really interesting. three hundred forty nine makes sense. Ah it makes sense that People will definitely buy it I do think that I okay. so my initial thought was that AMD is kind of taking advantage of the situation a little bit becausecause AM four boards are cheap and DDR four is cheap so they could just extract margin on the CPU I didn't realize how much work they had to do to bring this thing out So the original three DV cash stacking process that they used The reason these chips went away was because that process was no longer available at TSMC So they had to significantly reengineer the chip to manufacture it with modern stacking processes. Okay So they they actually yeah, they they I forget whose podcast or who they were being interviewed by, but they they pretty much came out and they were like, yeah This was like actually a significant amount of work. This wasn't just like Like I grab it from the archives gust it off and just rerelease it. project Yeah, because Itend three for three hundred and fifty bucks Zen three with three DV cash. Yeah, that part is nice, I guess. but So you know, let's look at it from like like a platform standpoint I can and apparently motherboard manufacturers are ramping up AM four board production too So I can get damn four bored. I'm going to spend a hundred bucks. We have a video coming very soon where we're going to run the newest AM four CPU other than this one because this one wasn't out yet on the oldest AM F board And then we're going to compare that against the newest AM four board and see like what are you actually giving up? Like you can Spoiler alert, not much. So you can get like any AM four board pretty much as long as it's compatible with to CPU, throw it in there. DDR four, last I checked is about half the price of DDR five Um Would I like to see AMD go more aggressive with this thing? Absolutely But I still think it's going to be legitimately very And I'm not even saying that it's necessary like, I don't know, mayaybe their R andD cost on this was insane and they have to recoup it somehow or whatever. I'm not necessarily saying it's like a scam or anything. It's just Damn It would have been nice if it was cheaper. I would have loveved to see it at like two thirty nine. Yeah. two hundred twenty nine is like two hundred twenty nine is where I wouldd have been like That's hot Every other chip is dead to me two hundred twenty nine I would have been pretty sick, but that's a massive reduction on the price that it actually is Yep Dh dollars. Yeah. if you're comparing to what these things were going for on the second handand market, it was like well over five hundred. Nos that's what I was finding. Yeah. Yeah, whichich is surprising. There's some people in chat saying that they got it like, you know over a year ago. for like two hundred two hundred fifty. Yeah, but but before it converted it to new Taiwanese dollars because of where we are, it was saying I think it was five hundred and seventy. It'sor right, four hundred and seventy, and that's a used one Maybe it'll help. Yep. the market is crazy right now. I legitimately do think that this is going to help. A resurgence in availability of AM four chips, AM four boards, DDR four is still out there. DDR four, even brand new, is relatively Affordable Anything that takes some of the squeeze off, I support at this point. So just with quick skimming, it sounds like their price is one hundred dollars cheaper than the used price Which that blows my mind, but I know I know. Thanks, I guess. Yeah ye Sounds like it'll be really helpful. I just jeez. No what like no wonder people aren' building computers. Should we talk about that? Be I had also talked to manufacturers that were like Yep. So I'm not going to name any names. so I'm not trying to call out anyone's specific business. But I talked to one manufacturer that said that their sales and they make like like an accessory product. This is like one hundred percent. yeah. L basically something that isn't a CPU or GPU is something that you can't really build a computer without Okay. And they said that they were down about also not right thirty percent. which is, you know, coming back to what we were talking about earlier Right where thirty percent down is a lot more than the like You know, thirty percent growth that we had year over year when we were first starting out You know, once they once you reach a certain scale, you've got emmployees, you've got facilities. you've got, you know marketing campaigns, you've got all these things that you're doing as a company that you've scaled up according to the scale that you've reached. and when suddenly thirty percent of your revenue is gone. You're sitting there looking at it going like they were talking about. How hard it is to forecast production right now? Yeah leadead times They were saying on a good day. They're going to have to know what they need in their warehouse sixix months ahead of time And right now that's like How you supposed to do that? Impossible. Yeah, talking to Like you said, kind of accessories things basasic Yeah, if it's not compute. pretty much Everybody's kind of freaking out. I know I was talking to one brand. Dan put up the thing who even that I say, I don't know. I was talking to one brand who even sells things that are a little bit more in that field, but they're more They have to buy an expensive component and then use it in the product that they're selling and they're saying that even they are down because their costs are so freaking high that even though they're selling it for so much right now, it just doesn't even really matter. U I meant the Barren Buffett thing. I didn't know the doesn't know thing. That's why I got. The moments passed. Yeah yeah. U It was pretty wild Case, fans, all that type of stuff, if nobody's building computers If Nody's building personal computers, PC's, then those things aren't selling. L it just it is what it is. I think McGarnagle actually has a way more human way of sort of illustrating what I've been trying to say about that U When you're a company of three people thirirty percent hiring is one person When you're a company of ten people you To grow thirty percent, you would hire three people When you've achieved scale and you are a company of one hundred people, A thirty percent reduction would be thirty people Like that What we're talking about here. whichich even like even even if you think about the impact even not even on that company or on those individuals, but you think about the impact on the job market. If you have thirty people in one field suddenly on the market in one geographical area. The industry might literally not even be able to like bear that Yeah It might not be able to absorb it. it's a one person change. Yeah, it's much more likely that you know, there's a company that could add a person if the right person came along and then they just bring that person on Yeah, it's a it's it's a It's a scary time right now and honestly, I had very similar conversations with att least one creator. as well where it's just like The interest right now in, you know, building computers is pretty Oh, dude, it's bad. It's pretty. Yeah. I had there was there was a dinner I had with a few and everyone was talking about it s pretty rough right now. Well I I said one because I have named many creators that I've talked to at the show. Oh and so I just, you know, didn't want to It's everyone. Yeah. mightight just All right, we're just gonna I don't know. We're just going be transparent about it. Po Tato in Folklain chat said thirty percent and this is, I think a good way of illustrating it because I don't think we've use actual numbers. thirty percent up on one thousand is three hundred bucks. But you after you do that change, now thirty percent down on that new number. So thirty percent down on thirteen hundred is now three hundred and ninety Yeah. So it it's because you already went up. is where where it starts again. Yeah. So like and and it's like, so the way that Someone explained it to me Thank you is that if every day, if every other day, you like go up ten percent and then every other day you're down ten percent, eventually you have no money. Yeah,'s whichich is like What? Yeah, ye if it was all relative to the starting number. then you'd be fine. thenen you're fine. But it's not. But it's not. hey, speaking of companies that are scaling like crazy and doing great, Let's talk about NVidia unveiling their Vira Rubin platform meant to power the future of AI According to Nvidia, it will offer three point three times the performance of comparable Blackwell ultra hardware and deliver a four X reduction in the number of GPUs needed to train MOE models We don't have detailed specs for everything, but we do have some speeds and feeds that we can highlight. The Vera CPU goes from seventy two cores on Gace to eighty eight Nvidia custom Olympus cores this time These have full AMV nine point two compatibility. We have ultrafast NVLink C toC connectivity. And this is one of the reasons actually that I forgot to talk about earlier that I'm a little more bullish. on Nvidia's laptops becausecause a lot of folks were like H Grace CPU cores, they're they're lame There It's a media tech, you know, CPU that just uses bone stock arm cores Clearly, NvidDia is not making an investment on the time scale of like you know, a couple of months or even a couple of years. They're going to have a roadmap. If you don't get into silicon going, well, let's try one and see how it goes. Yeah You get into silicon with how many generations of Zen did Jim Keller say that he had like pretty much left AMD with when when he departed? It was like another three or something. it was three or four. Yeah. it was like A lot. Yeah. Like And then you know again, back to that arm announcement. They got up on stage and they were like This is the worst RMCPU we will ever make The roadmap is great you know, obviously buy these ones, but like This is everyone that we make in the future is better. We talked about that with Pat and Intel all the time And then he's been gone for a bit and there's, you know, I think in our circles most people get it, but there's a lot of people being like, wow, the new CEO really turned stuff around But it's like, okay, we're also seeing some of the stuff that Pat was actually working on coming out now. He started a lot of balls rolling. Yeah. So anyway This is one of the reasons that I'm more bullish on their laptop chips because These first ones RTX Bark Gen one is the worst laptop that NvIidia will ever release And uh Full custom Custom Olympus cores M Okay, sounds pretty cool to me. I don't know I don't really know much about it yet Ruben GPU Moving to HBM four memory third generation transformer engine Yeah. two and a half X, the NVFP four pedop fllops of compute Okay, so this is like a way way more powerful chip Um The new rack is using Evy Link six. Each track will have two hundred and sixty terabytes per second of bandwidth Um And then this is something that I actually do care about. ten times higher inference per watt at one tenth of the cost per token. Okay. And whether you like AI or hate AI, Less w, good. Less w. Deinitely good. And if you do like AI and you've noticed that all of a sudden it's amazing how it just kind of happened overnight the token cost crisis. Oh yeah. ye yeah. One tenth of the cost per token probably sounds retty good to you right about now. Um, What else do we know about it? Have we talked about that a way? For a little bit of context, there's a bunch of different places that are turning into usage models instead of general subscription models, including GitHub. and it's really starting to show up on people's balance sheet. deevelopers are running out of what they would like their usage in a few days, I'm hearing from some people is effectively capping out what they I heard the Q one budget was cored the full year's budget was spent in Q one. Yeah' kind of the number that a lot of people are thrown out. So the scaling ising a little bit ridiculous. Yeah. But it's the, you know, it's the whole drugs model. giveive them a bit for free and then and then pull the rug out. Yeah, I just u I that was kind of that was This reinforces actually what I was saying in that video I did recently where I was like the worst may be over, whatever whatever I said where storage is obviously still looning and like there's still a lot of problems and if you talk to If you talk to Mufacturers who build at scale, RAM is still really, really bad. evenven though retail has eased off a little bit. Um, But this is kind of exactly what I was talking about where it's like I couldn't reallyally Prove it But my crystal ball tea leaf. vessel said, Hey, the bean counters seem to be waking up And that's going to manifest in a bunch of different ways. And one of the ways that that typically manifests is that You start actually charging for the service Yeah, I think it's I think it's Interesting timing because But the like gap between A lot of these models turning into usage base and prevalence of local AI systems, including Pewdiepie's project and a variety of other projects as well, making it a lot easier for users to get into local hosting. And hearing about a lot of companies switching to local hosting and stuff is like I honestly, I think they chose a terrible pot. I think they actually should have done this like six months ago. M becausecause I think it's it's Dramatically, not a little bit, dramatically easier to run local now than it was roughly six months ago. So now if you're looking at your bills on these usage models and you're like, oh my God, this is going to hamorrage us. a very legitimate solution is to switch to local models. The last metered bill they might ever send you. might be for the guide that you ask me maybe your cloud AI for to learn how to run local AI and local agents. and that's pretty funny. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's You can get stronger models by going API routes and using these cloud systems But I am not convinced that the vast majority of people need like frontier level ability models. I don't. I just dude If like my alarm would set at the right time. Honestly. Yeah. likeike that would be enough for me. I don't actually need much that's that complicated. Can we just take a moment though? Can we just take a moment though to congratulate each other on being right about the cloud Yeah every turn. The latency was always going to suck. Not owning your own data was always going to suck Paying for things forever instead of paying for them once was always going to suck. Y. And you know, it's funny. I u I feel sorry, I'm totally going off topic. There was There was significant backlash on our video on RTXpark where I said lot people didn't watch it. Oh well yeah. in fact One of the things that I said in it was that This is a bit of a You know, this is this this could be the thing that makes me excited that makes me like No, like really, like want to get into it. And and I saw a lot of sentiment around like You know, big AI got to Linus, you know Uh blah blah blah, you'll own nothing, you'll be happy. I'm like, bro that's exactly the opposite Yeah of what it is loocal AI Like whether you like being able to run a large model on something like a strikes halo O something like a like a like a A knack. Right on something like one of these one of these laptops is huge. And one of the things that's been kind of unxciting about it to me up until now has been that it's just like it' it's inconvenient. Its That's what the cloud is. If the cloud is convenient, it's always there Being able to have, you know, my personal Jarvis running on, you know, my on my desktop and running on my laptop or, you know, or running on my server at home and then I access it through my own private cloud or you know whatever I ultimately you talk to it on Discord Yeah, whatever I ultimately like architect for myself What's exciting to me about it now is that I'm not tellelling my innost secrets to Sam Altman I don't want to And it's been It's been as like as much as the the Chat GPT WN show where we've like tried it live As much as that was one of the most exciting moments that I can remember in tech My temptation to actually use it has been suuper low because I'm not I don't enjoy that. And like we've seen this movie before The pay per use model was always coming And I didn't want to get hooked on it. Yeah. And there there are applications and people and companies and whatnot where it will make sense to keep doing with those. And as apparently Theo is pointing out, the efficiency is increasing with those. And I mean, we're literally talking the core of this topic is talking about how Ver Rubin is going to be significantly more efficient which should theoretically bring costs down. But all of that to me, as someone who enjoys the hardware side of things Yeah. doesnn't even really matter. And that I can run really powerful models at home, that's cool. I want to do that. And besides, you know, adding to Luke's point Everything that is in the data center today will be in your computer at some point. And theoretically frontier models will keep progressing. But like a lot of the there are really might also turn into a mixed model situation. where like if you look at it again a dis the SPD Priz project. you can decide to run local models or you can plug in an API. And you might run into a situation where you have some pay by usage plan, but you just don't use it for everything. And if you need something that's like much more complicated that you could really use the power of a frontier model for or the speed potentially, if you need it out really quick, you could switch to that API Do the work and then switch back for your lower level tasks Um, But the trickle down viability there as well. The trickle down will come. I mean, if you're the kind of person who has the discipline to buy a PlayStation for The day the PlayStation five launches. You know what I mean? Yeah ye yeah. If you don't mind playing yesterday's game today Um And that might not be viable for you and that's okay. And that's okay too. But if you are, W I I think I am. I think I'm happy playing yesterday's model today If I can do it on my local hardware, then I find this really exciting. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's really exciting. I think I would end up doing mixed. Um, there's things that I could use Even just on like an experiment standpoint, being able to every once in a while slam a question at like the best possible model out there is really interesting. But if I can for a lot of the like What do you think the sentiment analysis of this message is I don't I've been able to do that since Champione three, just fine L O All, Okay, so but what will it cost? According to an estimate from Morgan Stanley Research, as reported by PC Gamer, one NVL seventy two rack, so that's one of the full racks of Veraubin Well cost hyperscal is estimated Seven million. eight hundred thousand nice dollars with about Tw million of that going to memory That is Crazy. That puts each Ruben GPU at about fifty five thousand dollars. So there's a kind of comparison table of the bill of materials for GB three hundred, which was already an enormous price increase over the previous gen. And GPU's are going from like two point a fivealf mill to three point ninears Midle Memmory has gone from around three hundred fifty four hundred thousand to two million U And then there's CPUs are steady Networking other networking chips are going up. Dude networking' getting crazy. the GB three hundred one U that I was checking out U had water cooled networking in it because of course it did. Be sure. I was at a booth for a brand that highly specializes in cooling in particular. and they were talking about their network and memory cooling, which I thought was kind of interesting. H you heard people really talk about memory cooling in a wild, buddy? Yeah, buddy. They had like cold plates that went directly to your modules. Oh yeah, o Okay, yeah, there we go U All right, we should probably get the sponsor spots out of the way because we don't have a ton of time left in the show. So the show is brought to you by Vessie. Dan, are you ready? Is this working? 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So you can have it connect the tools you use to any of the major AI models can use chat GPT or clod to create things like customer chatbots or autonomous agents, and you can have it work alongside thousands of apps to automate the more meanenial aspects of your job like Dropbox, office, Twitch, airtable, teams, and more Whether you're more tech savvy, or if you have limited experience with AI workflows, Zapier is meant to be easy to learn. Teams around the world have already used Zapier to automate over three hundred million Tasks If there's something you want automated, like building a plan while you're out of office, there's a good chance that Zappier has a template already available So go to Zapier. com slash whenA to join millions of businesses transforming how they work with Zapier and AI All right Oh. getting the look Foat plane announcement. That makes sense Sammy, do your announcement ? Yeah, Sammy, why don't you do the announcement? You always make us do the announcement. What if we' lazy? It's a team sport. Yeah, do it. no, I know the audio quality would be terrible if you feels it from there. that's not worth it And I'm disappointed. he's not sleeping this time. I kind of I hadn't actually looked back at him yet. Anyway, Cytext twenty twenty six has wrapped and Luke and I were there. Thanks, Sammy. goodood talking points. But what did we do? Well, I had my entire Tuesday recorded, starting with morning soup dumplings. Oh, I guess Dann want to Throw a little bit of little bit of it up and skim around in it. I sorry. I can't do. I went to do it and realized that I can't screenshare. Or can I? Do this support sccreenshare? It does, yes teechnically does. ye. Bananas. Okay, I don't know if we've checkck your screen first. Okay, we're going to those. And we're going to do it We're gonna try it. Let me see if it works. It's gonna be crazy No, we're going to do it come up as a. We're going do it live Okay. Okay, here ites Ready? Yeah. Boom. Oh, it's a separate work. It's a separate thing. G me one sec Amazing, I can work with this He can work with this, folks This is actually awesome because we can have it's just an entire other person now Wow really? Yeah, one sec, one sec And then if I switch away from that tab, can you still see it? Yes Okay, and I can turn it on off, but I need one second to cre. This software is magic. Isn't it He ad he can adjust the focus of my webcam I can have a non focus tab as a source He can put it to the foreground or remove it or whatever. This is insane. What's it called again? It's called Video Ninja, Vo. Video Ninja. Video. Ninja Never use it. It's dangerous Yeah anythingthing this powerful must be dangerous, Luke. Seriously th, Vo Ninjas super cool. I love it. Okay, so I can throw that up now. Boop. Allright, cool. So I had my entire Tuesday recorded, starting my day with soup dumplings that were delivered by my wife. I hung out with Alexandandy at the Dell Both and ended the day with Badminton. So you guys can accompany me for an entire an entire day of computext and kind of see what the whole thing looks like as we go through and you know, do booof coverage and seeee new friends and old friends and non friends and this guy I don't know Where to go? He's gone Oh, this was fun This isn int the Ventiva booth. Yeah, there's a lot of insight into kind of how the sausage is made in this video. It's definitely worth a watch. Yeah. And then honestly, I saw you sitt on the floor with your headphones and writing on a laptop and I was like, Ah, yes, I have seen this scene before. Yeah Very much so And Luke did one of his iconic show flloor walks with Sammy, getting a ton of free food, homemade cookies, red Bowl. Do you know about that bit? No. When Sammy and I do show floor walks, I try to acquire as many snacks for Sammy as I can So like part of okay, so we started doing these show fllow walks at CES when like pool cleaning robots were like the main thing. Yeah. And it was just so boring but we had to do a show flo walk. Yeah. So to like make the content more fun. I made it about like how can I acquire Sammy as many snacks as possible as like this subplot And then it just has become a thing that we do every time And I think we might have set the record this time. It was like actually amazing A can of if we look at total dollar value acquired in snacks A can of red Bl is like really high up there And we got one. So that was like, that was pretty good All right Rock on. I actually this is a sample size of one, but I heard it was a good year for just like prizing and giveaways. I played Badminton with someone yesterday who won a thirty two gig kit of RAM. and somebody he knows won a five thousand eighty. Wh. So like okay Yeahah, I don't know. I don't know what it was about this computext. Yeah, we didn't really engage in that. Like there was nothing going on and yet Everyone was a lot of money. Yeah. ye Um, notot a lot of happening, but a lot of money floating around We still have one more Computex float plane exclusive. In fact, I guess there's a solid chance that that's what Sammy is working on right now Nice. Sorry, this is not a great tripod situation, not really designed for what it's being used. No but it works. But it's from it's from my South Korea mal trip So this is now part of my this is now part of my kit. It works. If it fits an' U So if you want to visit Computeax and filter through all the AI nonsense, you can check out lMG.gg slash FP WN and our discussion question, oh Right, yeah, Oh right. Okaykay. Our discussion question is what were some of the coolest things you saw at CompyteX I think I already kind of Well I said one of them, which was I really like the woting dials. I think that's a really cool thing that I haven't seen with keyboards before and being able to place them wherever you want I think it's just awesome. I've seen dials haaven't seen them like that. Yeah. modular able to put them wherever you want. That's cool. That's. And I I could really see like Again, video editor, Cad designer, something like that, swapping basically all their F keys for just a bunch of different dials those keys essentially. Get rid of them. That being potentially helpful. The other one is, as Sammy suggested, the imersion cool. set upp because of course it was. I did I wasn't going to bother actually making a video of it U But I thought their block design was really interesting and it's a short on the LTT channel right now And you can see in the thumbnail, if you just go to the thumbnail and then potentially share your screen I' start my train so hard because I have that power I'm so excited, dude. This is so cool. It's an immersion cool system. so You wouldn't normally expect to see what looks like water cooling blocks on it, but then you might also notice that this only has one tube. are that's the GPU vertically mounted in.. So it only has one tube. So what's really happen and you can see those like like you're seeing the open fins on the end. So it delivers the theoretically coldest oil Mm directly to the component And then the oil like squishes out of the water block. Yeah into the rest of the system floats around, gets pulled out. Yeah. So there's one out and two inss and the inss go directly to CPU and GPU. Wait, one out So there's like a pump going out to the radio. Oh two in o, okay, okay. I might be using the bag. Okay, so you've got two supplies and one turn. Yes, yes.. Yeah yeah Sor what happens if you submerge's sking liquid He's yelling at me. This. He's yelling I h. I never use the shorts such a phrase. Watching Linas run into shorts was very funny Whyise Lukeser than I p. Okay, get rid of it. G rid of it Oh Hey, there. geez I'm not made for this, Lke. It was great. But yeah, it was cool. Maybe it's been done before. I haven't personally seen it before, so seeing it in person was pretty cool. It costs too much. Of course it does makes no sense, but not for you. Not for me. Maybe it does make dollars. They were they did say like quite plainly that this was not a product for like You're in gaming PC at home It is in like a PC form factor, but they were talking like edge compute buub blah, blah, blah blah, It really is time for us to to do another submersion cooled looukePC, isn't it? ike are we ready now? That'd be cool. Like is are there any like mineral oil air concerns anymore now that you're not as much computers in a different room now. All right. So it might it might be time. We can do some I think we've gott to do it. I think we gott to do it. I think a to Didn't we even like find a case that we wanted to use I thought so, yeah ' I thought we like Oh man You know what? No, no. because you know how you o, this is hilarious. You wanted to do a Nas And then I held it hostage, saying I only ever agreed to pay for your gaming PC I'll build you a NAS, but it has to be mineral oil cooled and you have to actually use it. Is this ringing a bell no? And then you were like, no, I can't. I'll just build my own NAS because I'm concerned about the mineral oil. And I was like, okay, suit yourself And then you were like, I'm going to build a NAS o wait DRAM I don't want to They always come crawler back I'm calling back from my. You're gonna because it would be submerged. You're gonna build me a flash based Naz. I don't know if it'll be flash based You're going to do a why why are we submersion cooling hard drive m. Well, we want't subversion coola hard drive. Oh, I guess we could. Helium hard drives are sealed now. Oh really? Yeah. We totally could What the F? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paincrz is in the chat and goes, yeah, hard drives are sealed now. yeah. Yeah, the high capacity hard drives are sealed now. What? Okay, I've been out of that game. That was a wild d. That's kind of interesting actually. Yeah. I don't know of any submerged hard drives yet. That makes it more interesting This the most submerged hard drive so far. Oh, dude. Dude. yeah, so so submersion Naz. I knew there was like helium drives, but I didn't realize they were sealed. Yeah, ye, they have to be because and they have that makes sense. Mga se I just didn't put together because helium iss suuper, super small moleculle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they try to escape. they'd have. Yeah, they like need like I remember them explaining to me back in the day. like they needed like even like thicker like a thicker chassis or something because helelium will just like escape from Things. Interesting. Yeah Mlecule nice. Xfin in flip playay chat. Yeah peoplee are already memeing the like I'll show you a submerged hard drive No Nice Solid. It would be. It would be solid. But not solid state Yeah. If your hard drive is solid for more than four hours, U All right, hey, we've got an update on the Bink pentathlon, speaking of solid hard drives. It is now complete. In this event, LTT competed against twenty other teams by using computing power to support scientific research and progress This year We won silver overall, thanks to our ninety three participants. Across all projects, LTT earned over eight hundred forty five million points And I just want to do a special thanks to Penrats from our Pank crats, you're in chat right now Um Okay First of all, aren't you supposed to be at work I what are time zones. What's you doing in Chat? I think it might be it's happening. And second of all Second of all, why are you o, it's okay, it's late And second of all, why are you personally donating to this project? The company can donate prizes to the project. He I think we did We did Yeah. pankrts, you don't have to donate stuff. You I've done it for years, he says, Okay. Well, thank you. It's pretty cool. Special thanks to Panrats Dog witch Sequence two eleven and some anonymous forum members for donating a total of twenty seven prizes for the event. Additionally, ten participants will be walking away with a one hundred dollar hundred LTT store gift card. This It's just a really cool forum community initiative that we're happy to continue to support Maybe next year we'll take home the gold. I knew it was coming. I looked at the overall ranks. There's L Eater sitting at like forty percent almost. Oh yeah. Um, Massive thanks to everyone who participated and to Seti Germany for hosting the competition. The final rankings and eents summary can be found in the final blog, which is over at anytusectips d. com slash blogs. There's not a lot of posts so it shouldn't take you long to find it Um, Led Eater, abbsolute Chad. All right, what else we got? Oh, we can collapse that one Anthropics going public Sure, everybody's going public. Well, you know, I actually find this to be a very interesting time and I know that that's sort of like like a witch doctor curse. May you live in interesting times. But this is an interesting as someone who is not the, you know very invested literally in the stock market I am quite invested in the story of the stock market right now and I am finding it very interesting between SpaceX Open a eye anthropic All the money that is just chasing space and AI right now what these like Mga IPOs are going like do to the financial markets is very interesting to me. Since we talked about that everythingvery is Red topic earlier in the show, I did I think that some of the people saying, o, it's just being redistributed and we couldn't find where it was redistributed to It could be these upcoming IPOs. I had that thought while we were talking about Colidating cash. So it could be preparing for things like this, the basics IPO, etcetera. They might need, like you just said, cash on hand at the moment. So Anthropic, the company behind Cloud, as I like to call it Has confidentially filed what? It sounds classic. It's good. I like it. Has confidentially filed a draft S one with the SEC for a proposed IPO? filing comes less than a week After a sixty five billion series H round pushed the company's valuation to nine hundred sixty five billion dollars sururpassing OenAI's eight hundred fifty two billion dollars craiser No share count or pricing has been set, and the company says the offering depends on market conditions. Revenue run rate reportedly hit around forty seven billionars annualized as of may twenty twenty six, up from roughly ten billionars a year earlier. Andthropic does seem to be the one that is They do actually actually making this business model maybe kind of make financial sense, maybe This kicks off what Wedbush annou analysts are calling The floodgates the IO market. SpaceX is targeting a june twelfth listing at up to a two trillion dollars valuation. OpenAI is preparing its own confidential filing, and all three are racing to go public in what could be one of the most consequential IPO cycles since the dot com era. Yeah What a thing to compare to. NASDAQ changed its index rules effective may first, cutting waiting period for the NASDAQ one hundred from three months to just teen trading gays for Mega Cap IPO's FTSC Russell cut theirs to five days Goldman Sachs estimates that the NASA change alone could trigger up to sixty billion in forced buying. Okay, so that's. That's a whole thing. U, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable for anyone who who's like retirement Um Like the four hundred one K Oh. is just sort of buying these index funds because as soon as like a new megaap stock is included You like have to buy it And then, you know, every contribution you make like force buys these things, like If you were ever wondering how it is that Tesla's car sales can go down And they can fall way behind in robotics, which is apparently the future of their company. and Like the stock doesn't just plummet. it's because Once you're in these index funds peopleeople are just It's just autobying. And u Yeah, sixty billion dollars in forced buying. Gh. That's that's a terrifying amount of money. if If this does d. com Yeah there is there is This is a side tangent thing, but I want to say it before I forget. Max Odrive brought it up. I saw this news this morning. D you see Google is going to pay SpaceX nine hundred twenty million dollars a month for compute? Apparently that went through very recently This whole thing is just the money floating around is insane. We've talked about the like the money cycle going between these companies before. Now it's going into like renting entire data centers off each other like it's still going. They're finding what did Sam Altman call it? Innovative financial solutions or something? I I said that' it sounds like He said something along the lines of like Oening eye needs to focus more on financial innovation instead of just tech innovation Um this was this was like a while ago Yeah, it's Yeah, Balster makes Balster points out these get into the SMP. It would be very dangerous for the government to let these things fail becausecause that would wipe out pensions everywhere. What whatver if the S andP wasn't fifty K, dude which at a time of at a time where in general, Western populations are aging Um Wiping out pensions would put even further burden on the smaller this shaped younger generation to support them. Like as much as it's, I think easy, for G Z's and millennials and even some G X's to kind of look at the boomers and go, hey, that just like bowl run that was your entire life And all that net worth that you accumulated mostly passively U you know, FU and I hope it all collapses That wouldn't necessarily be good because I think in general It's better for that wealth to be preserved so that it can be transferred rather than for it to be completely just wiped off the face of the earth right now Don't listen to me I'm not an economist Um That's a good point. Dan Dan and Chat said this is why I keep telling people to stop being poor I don't know why no one listens to me. What? I should be in charge of. economy. It just makes so much You did say that. That is yeah, is that is an interesting point. No No one listens to me and I' getting very irritatedise They literally sell bootstraps. Oh wait, they don't have any money to buy them Okay, maybe I haven't thought this through. What's next This is a off current topic thing that might be a good commotal. I thought you o, no, this is the one that I thought you were gonna pick for for the before show. This is so cool. This is very interesting. I was reading it before the show a little bit, but I didn't finish. Physicists just achieved perfect randomness for the first time, which made me do a h when I first read that, researchers at ETH Zurich have demonstrated a method for generating certifiably perfect random numbers a longstanding challenge in cybersecurity, gener including if you want to look into a really fun article, Cloudflare's Lava lamps being like some of the solutions that they have for trying to trying to generate random numbers. Genating numbers that seem random is pretty easy and there's a lot of different solutions for it. The hard part is proving that there's no hidden bias quietly steering the output, like I don't know, the ambient temperature of the room with that the lava lamps are in. Yeah But not from formulas, but from the physical imperfections and systemic errors in the hardware. Even previous quantum random number generators, like ones based on photons hitting beam splitters, carry these slight biases, which is what makes the results The result of perfect randomness is quite notable. The ETH Zuric team took two quantum bits or qubits Cooled them to near absolute zero and placed them thirty meters apart. the things we do for a random number sence. And then linked them through a cooled tube using microwave photons to create quantum entanglement The distance is deliberate. It's far enough that the qubits can't secretly share information during a measurement, even at the speed of light, apparently. The clever part is what the team calls randomness amplification. They de What a great name for a band. So it's a noise band called randomness amplification. They deliberately started with Uh imperfect biased random numbers and use them to decide how to measure the qubits, then fed those measured results through an algorithm that turns the flawed input into output they can certify as perfectly random somethingomet that's known to be physically impossible to achieve using normal everyday physics. It only works because of quantum mechanics. The other big deal is that the certification comes from the quantum behavior they actually observe a device independent approach rather than trusting the hardware. Long term, the researchers pitch it as an atomic clock for randomness a ply certified source that other systems can rely on to be checked against. which is actually really interesting. Yeah, right. This whole thing is wild because one of the like taglines for the nerds, which I have pulled out many a time, is that nothing is truly random Like you can't you can't make truly random on a computer Um And then people go like, okay, dude, yeah, but we're just trying to pick like one out of ten to pick a place to go for dinner. And it's like, okay, sure. But but it is it has beenue. It's been a real problem. Yes. I have to say has been now Forpt cryptographic applications, it's been a legitimate actual problem. Potentially user sorry, yeah, potentially security vulnerabilities if people can figure out what the bias is and then find some way to plan for it, which is not always easy, but sometimes it is So Yeah gosh, I just thought this was so cool and the lengths they went to. Amazing This sounds awesome. thirirty meters. Yes, we need to thirty meters of. Okay. they still can't communicate at light speed. Gotem. This was awesome, veryery cool I am Proton male is letting folks send emails from their Gmail address, which I didn't originally get, but sounds actually really cool. Proton mail can now connect directly to Gmail letting you send and receive Gmail messages from Proton while keeping your existing Gmail address. that Sounds I'll like it defeats the purpose of using a photon mail. Yeah. At first But wait It's designed to make switching away from Gmail less painful So what Proton can do is limit how much Google can learn from your email activity If your contacts also use proton, your emails can be end to end encrypted, preventing Google from getting it your sweet, sweet data. And's the big part. The feature improves privacy and inbox consolidation even if Google still has access to emails sent to your Gmail account. This is more of a bridge than a complete replacement for Gmail. What it can do is it can slowly But surely, allow you to transition away or If you do just basically want to stay for most everyday things but then have some very secure communication that you could route through it It could also do that Um, Oh our discussion question is, can you explain why email alternatives like Proton are so important Um the topic prepare says I use Gmail. I always think about switching it up What's a GMail alternative, like Protonss pitch and what is the appeal? I mean, the appeal is encryption The fact that you pay for the product so you are not the product, they're not reading your emails, they're not using it to serve your targeted ads. They're not selling a profile about you to advertisers. It's just email I think it's like I think there's a lot of push these days for locally hosted services U data privacy, stuff like that. And I don't think it's because suddenly a massive part of the population is like doing bad things that they need to hide from people. I think it's just Things were already ridiculous. and in the age of chat bots, things are getting even more ridiculous in terms of grabbing your data and using it for potentially very negative things for you. And it's just like, I don't know, if I have a bunch of stuff in my backpack I don't wantan to have my backpack just searched by any random person on the street Maybe just screw off. it's my backpack U, it's not because I'm like hiding illicit substances or weapons or something in my backpack. Yeah, you're not Luigi Wh Who might not have had a weapon in there? It. I don't think he did. We don't know where that weapon came from. Nowhere. didnn't even exist. But it's it just yeah, I don't know. justust screw off. It's my stuff. Having the ability to just keep prying eyes away from your own things is I think the a lot of these cloud companies know too much about us And its that's been true for a very long time But I think the tools to make that as true it's still going to be pretty true, but make that not as true are much more approachable and starting to actually become kind of fun and interesting Um It can still be pain to self host things, but There are a lot more guides out there. you can use public alMs to help you learn how to set up local ones or other forms of local hosting Um And and yeah, the tools are better HexOS from from IshTch Hhtch investment disclosure for me for him. U and just, I mean, like PewdiePie's thing, it helps you set it up, right? So like there's with the cookbook portion of the tool There's just a lot more resources and it's a lot more approachable than it's ever been. So People are finally kind of taking the leap Um Another leap is the leap that Wildcat Like made in laptop affordability Across the PC industry, Manufacturers are using Intel's new, low power, wildcat lake CPU's to build affordable yet seemingly premium laptops We're talking thin designs, long battery life, metal construction high refresh rate displays and even performance that comfortably handles everyday workloads What makes the trend notable is that these machines are no longer just competing on spec, as we've normally seen at the low end of the Windows laptop U range The emphasis is instead on delivering a polished experience at mainstream prices. some of the aforementioned features appearing inap laptops that would have been considered Budget prriced devices just a few years ago Dell's new XPS thirteen is one of the most prominent wildcat lake laptops announced so far, pairing Intel's new chip with a CN seed aluminum chassis, a thirteen point four inch two and a half K up to one hundred twenty hertz variable refresh rate touchscreen, and a weight of less than one kilogram. And the pricing starts at six ninety nine cents US fiveive ninety nineents for students. Did you touch it Did you touch my wild cat I did not tou your wk It's pretty sad It only has two type C's, unfortunately to get it like as thin and slick as it is. The AUS has a little bit more reasonable IO, but they haven't announced pricing But do the dell? It feels like a lot of people were really into del show. It feels like it should start at like ninety nine It interesting with the No sparking these like super premium cheap laptops. So Dell insisted mustust have been already becoming. Dell insisted They were like We telegraphed this move before likeike way before that we were going to do a like very aggressively priced entry level into, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. But I'm looking at it going like Right, But like Did you say that because, you know The scuttle butt in the industry was that Apple was going to be pricing the No so aggressively like. I' going say it's probably because they got tipped off relatively early. You learn after being in this industry for a while, there's a lot of people that just kind of float between companies. I guarantee you there's people at Dell that used to work at Apple and vice versa So, you know, whatever Dell might claim It really does seem L the XPS thirteen is directly targeting the No on price. It's also interesting because apparently, I think I read this this morning as well, but Apple is like massively ramping production of the No. Apparently they doubled it. Yeah, which like that's crazy. Dude, look, I I'm not I'm not an analyst or whatever, but I could have told them that that thing was going to adjust fly off the shelves. So they just they nailed it. They completely redefined what people expect from an entry level laptop and I'm so glad I It's always frustrating for me. to see How quickly the PC industry could have done something awesome or how quickly Android phone makers could have done something I's always stuck following, which is so frustrating. But fine, whatever. if we just have to let Apple take the lead and then eventually thanks to Apple, we get better stuff. I've said this many times. Thank you, Apple Not because necessarily I use all your products. I really like some of your products. I'm a big fan of the AirPods Pro line Um Oh yeah, yeah. AirPods AirPods enjoyers, both of us U But all the other stuff that I don't care to use day to day, I still appreciate because it makes everyone else do it a little bit better. U, greatreat job And Wildcat Lake looks legitimately exciting. The performance isn't amazing but multi threaded, it should be pretty close to the A eighteen Pro that's in the MacBook Neo, even though the eighteen Pro does have a single thread advantage, but also, you know, some of these PC makers, you know might think to actually cool Panther Lake or or excuse me, Wildcat Lake, Apple doesn't really see fit to do that. So I think there's going to be some kind of give and take on the performance side and the Man, the devices feel good. Everything we touched felt good I would have guessed at the No was going be really strong. I was really Uers, it went I know a lot of people who have never used Maxs like God a Nal. That was pretty crazy. It's a compelling package. Speaking of compelling package Noctua shows off improved thermos siphon prototype, not to a dedicated some boost space at CompteX twenty twenty six to show off their ongoing work on their passively circulated liquid cooling. The thermal siphon heat sink works by I would say fluid cooling It's two face Fair enough. I like that. The thermophyte ooh, thermo siphon Heat sink works by CS. Wors by exposing fluid in a cl closed loop. Oh my goodness, tyypos are gonna mess me up right now in a closed loop to a heat source. The CPU in this case U the heated Do you want me to do this? Yeah. Okay.. Nock to a dedicated S booth space at Conute Techon to show off their ongoing work on passively circulated fluid cooling Thermmosiphon works by exposing fluid in a closed loop to a heat source, in this case, the CPU The heated liquid becomes a gas entnering a condenser, so that sits up and that takes the role of like your traditional radiator in your water cooling. where it sheds the heat, reverting to a liquid, naturally falling down, condensing, you might even say, to the bottom of the loop It's a simple principle It gets quite a bit trickier when it meets the real world. and many companies have tried to do this. We've shown off prototypes at Computex Before. Yeah Koockwa demloed their last prototype last year, running, I believe it was a nine thousand eight hundred or seven thousand eight hundred X three D or something like that, running a game. and it was not throttling, but it was only running a game This year They stepped it up Um, they were running a ninety nine fifty X three D A A package power tracking of two hundred and thirty watts, so they were running an OCCT load. on it And they put it right next to a triple fan traditional pumped radiator system And both of them were within about two to three degrees, depending on which way the breeze was kind of flowing within the booth That's awesome. Very impressive. just really cool. A little over eighty degrees on both of them No pump Is it is it silent? hard to tell on the show floor. That's fair because I have encountered other pumppless systems. There's that case that we did a video on a little while ago that was like the Calios Street Com collaboration case. And it makes a distinct beautiful system. Yeah, it's in my basement. Yeah. I could not take it apart. incredibly I couldn't allow it to happen. Yeah. Gorgeous, gorgeous system. but it has a distinct sound that I think has been best described as The sound of a toilet tank refilling from another room Just kind of like a trickly, boily Yeah Eactly. whichich is compompared to a soft whirring of a fan or a very, very quiet pump that is going to sound very consistent might actually be worse. It doesn't matter in the context of where I have the system deployed. It's in the rec room. so it's mostly used for VR. Yeah, so whatever. So you have a VR heads, So whatever. It looks so cool. But I haven't heard just how silent Noctu' is just yet. I also saw a two phase system it was not like this at all and there You sir there was technically pumps involved But it was an immersion cooolld system where the boiling point was like thirty degrees Celsius So they had a pump and huge mass of triple Rad and each fan was like this big. And there was I think it was four or five fans per day. It's for a four use server. It's not like this is not for your computer at home. I'll take two unless you have a four use server at home, which our audience might Yeah, exactly. I realiz that too. I realized that while saying like not for your system at home that both people I'm talking to right now have take one. Oh yeah, fair There En it. S people chat to brraing up Okaykay, whatever. All right I this you want to do a R.. But yeah they had so they were they were water cooling with a pump, a pipe that went through the main chamber once it like evaporated, It would condense on the pipe and then come back down So it was not at all for noise sake. It was just a method of cooling for them interesting Um, hey. A last week's explosion Blue Origin has vowed to launch a new U Rocket sometime this year. New Glen. Y. New Glen Rck yeah, their New Glen Rcket blew up during a pre launch hot fire test, destroying the vehicle and damaging its only active launch pad. The blast was dramatic enough to trigger industry wide doubts that New Glen could fly again before twenty twenty seven But despite that, Blue Origin CEO Dave Limp is projecting a surprisingly fast recovery Ky infrastucture, fuel tanks, water systems, some flight hardware survived, and Blue Origin said it expects to launch New Glen again before the end of twenty twenty six, which If they can pull it off is good news for Artemis, good news for space, good news for justust sort of In general, I you know I'm stoked to hear the vow. There is a lot of energy in space travel and rocketry right now both literally and figurative. What to say. And I suspect that they will put a lot of effort behind this Yeah. but money can solve a lot of time. Yeah. so Maybe they'll figure it out Um, I mean, I'm when you have when you have, you know, me money, you could wait six months for You know, someone to look at a building permit. When you have Bezos money So look at it now So maybe maybe they can get this done. Yeah. ye. There's also like in this case, the government is like literally backing them which I think helps that whole situation as well. Like there's there's there's some stuff behind it. Maybe maybe they'll start cooking on this real quick, but as far as my understanding goes, it should take longer than this fully understand all the damage So Uh We'll see how that goes hopefully its hfully's. Gilmore D and float plane chats says, wait wait The CEO of Blue Penis Rocket Company is named mister Limp. Did I hear that right? and it's pretty fun U There's a discussion question said, I've asked before, but when are we going to see the linus in space? Are explosions like this one holding you back from take taking a trip to the stars? Did you know that the LTC screwdriver has been used to make satellites Did you know that? Yeah, totally has. Really? Oh yeah The LCC screwdriver has made a lot of stuff. We've sold over a quarter million screwdrivers.. They're out there. It's u It's actually pretty funny. Every time someone shows up on the forum or the LTT subreddit or realistically anywhere, like dunking on the LTT screwdriver, blah, blah, blah, overprice, blah, blah, blah, this or whatever. You know, this is not a real tool. It's a toy for know geeks or whatever People come crawling out of the woodwork being like I am an aviation mechanic and here's my battle whereard. It's the best screwdriver I've ever owned. You need to shut your damn mouth. Like people People are passionate. People really like toolver No in general, though, about tools. Oh yeah. People are Yeah. Like people treat tools like a freicaking religion. Yeah I always You thought Xbox and PlayStation was bad U just like walk into a group of people who really like Milwaukee with like, I don't know the yellow team or something is doing out. What did you say about Mil? Did you see people using m? It gets hot pretty fast. Yeah, no, it's and so to have us in that same conversation cool is actually really funny to me because it's not something that I ever really thoughtought about as as we were working on tools, sorry, what? Dan Good said actively using my LT screwdriver to fix Google servers at a data center right now. Yep. Miu says LTT screwdriver has made feral animal traps for the Australian government Like it's just it Dude the people You You can talk about a man's appearance. You can talk about a man's penis size You You can even talk about a man's wife and children. But if you talk about his tools, dam ow He's gonna throw hands. Maybe not the kids, maybe not the kids. The kids might be the one. No, it's the tools. That the tools aren't the children. Dude, I've met people like that though where they like Mh, their trucks and they their tools. It like it I was gonna say trucks is kind of up there Redline. Yeah. ye. It's so funny U we should we're rapidly running out of time. We're rapidly approaching a deconstruction event of the show. I'm trying to use rocket rocketet deconstruction event. Rid deconstruction event. Okay, we do need to we do need to do the LTT store callout U Dan, are you able to show the screen so that I can read at the same time as Uh show the tab. O wait, you know what? I'll just know. I can read it. No, you can't. Okay U, I can show the screen. Oh no I can showare the screen. Am I nice. don't work great? No Nice one over. G give me a second. Nice. I don't have one yet. so hold on. Nice. Thank' go This week Cateor warehouse has achieved peak comfort Luke. We've done it Great job We are launching our Super soft crew and super soft shorts They're made of the same unbelievably soft fleece as our fan favorite super soft hoodie with a generous relaxed fit And they're designed with we pockets For those who don't know what welt means, it's a sleek internal pocket that's built directly into the fabric rather than sewn on top Basically it's like it's an elevated more premium look Did I mention, by the way, that these pockets are big enough for your phone or random capable charger And the shorts have no less than three pockets So get comfy and head over to lMG. gg slash super soft. collollection This is the part where I would normally if we were doing a longer show, say, Hey, checkout messages. you can send a checkout message when you go ahead and place an order But I think we're just relying on the people who already knew about that to do a few coms at the end of the show here But yeah, go check out the new super soft Cw and shorts By the way I think we have finally Trucker prettyretty fun cord with our audience with the if buying is an owning T shirt from last week. Oh, that was our most successful t shirt launch. in a very, very long time People are freaking looving Oh who, this shirt. Yeah. Yeah, I think we might have to do a restock on this bad boy. Yeah get wrecked U Oh, you can't see Luke's screen. I swear it's always my people. My size is always sold out on everything. I mean You're definitely the target demo, likexel Talls. For this shirt. Yeah ye. Yeah, I came up with I think I came up with another fun one Was it wasas it related to this? Hold then I have to check my emails to bridge it. Oh yeah. yeah. Okay, okay. I to do I want to do a hat that just has like like an ISO Iicon Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. So like I feel like there's I feel like, you know, I don't want to go straight like let's do an LTT eye patch. you know? Would you wouldould you do ISO icon on the front and then like as a badge like right there You could just called go goosping like that. exactly Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to do some just kind of like more coded references, right? We don't want to be overt about it, right? you know We we want to keep it we want to keep it real subtle. Well, okay, the pairar it with the It's a little direct. It's a little d But yeah, I don't know. I think it's I think it's kind of I think it's kind of fun. And it's honest is what it is T This is fun The UK's compompetition and Markets Authority or CMA has ordered Google to let publishers opt out of AI overviews. The CMA was able to impose this because it designated Google as having a strategic market status in general search, and it has similar investigations ongoing into Apple and Microsoft, so this likely isn't a one off The ruling lands after Google announced that it would significantly expand AI overviews in search, prompting backlash from publishers who were worried about losing traffic It requires Google to let publishers block AI overviews from pulling their content via a toggle in Google seearch console at both the directory and page level and guarantees that opting out won't hurt a site's regular search rankings. The catch though, is that sites that opt out get zero traffic and zero impressions from AI features, so you are trading exposure for protection. Yeah I don't think you're going effectively get deranked even if it's not like officially. The ruling also makes proper attribution mandatory when a site's content is used to generate a summary and gives publishers the option to stop Google from using their work to fine tune its models. O actually prevent them from doing that. proper attribution I mean it's going be a problem Better citation is definitely something I'd like to see from AI summaries. One of the tricks that I do to try to get my, you know AI stuff to It's not to get it to hallucinate less, it's to catch it faster when it does is to make it cite sources and then actually go look at the sources because often it just like hallucinates a URL. So h We'll see how well that goes. Notably, Google thoughtought this, as it argued in February, that excessive attribution of lots of sources may worsen the user experience and lead to fewer clicks, not more. Uhh no uh uhh They essentially claimed users don't want to see where the information came from. Don't care Google now has nine months to fully comply with an implementation plan due within one month The CMA plans to assess the rulings's impact on publisher web traffic. before considering whether Google should be paying publishers directly for their content. This is good progress in my opinion. Let's see how it goes and hopefully this continues to expand before the entire independent web dies. All right, should this do it?? Why don't we do a couple of coms here? and thenll then we'll call it. We've got a thing to do T our Okay, sorry, last thing before that I had so much fun shhooting a not computext video this week. I Oh. I think my favorite video of the week was actually not Contixt. I went back to the tech Mall. I don't even know o, sorry, I'll let you finish. Not of that. I was gonna say I don't even know The video is not even out yet. And I want you to expand on this concept Yeah. Wing you the thing while I was there It was like, Yeahah, this is cool a chair in the corner here. They never gave me a chair. stand. That is the ultimate. That's the ultimate. Can you get any lower while also being up high? go Anyway, sorry. So the last couple years at Computex The first time I don't remember why we did it the first time. But then the second time because the first time was really successful and fun and good vibes. But basically we've gone to this local tech mall and just like bought over the top computers and then like given them away on the street. And that was fun, but I felt like, okay, you know, it's played out now How do we mix this up How do How do we flip the script? How do we subvert expectations? And I was like, I'm not going to shop at the tech mall I'm gonna work at the tech mall So I reported for duty. wasas it two days ago, not yesterday, the day before? my I put on my apron. Yeah. And I said, okay, boss What do I do? And I went back to the store that we bought the system from the very first year, so two years ago, and he was my boss for the day. He built that system Troubleshoot this Reinstall windows on that Water cool this, bend this tubed Uh he left? for like long periods of time. I don't know if you know this. No He would like leave for twenty minutes, half an hour to go pick up a customer's R made GPU or like do whatever he's got to do.. We had an issue with one of the builds where a lot of those shops are single owner operator and this will happen. Yep. I'll do that And so one of the issues that I had with one of the builds that I was working on was U that the back plate on the GPU wouldn't fit with the oversized RAM cooler that the customer wanted. they were interfering because of the thick back plate. So we had to use a GPU riser in order to even complete the build and we had the cage for the for the for this vertical GPU kit, but we didn't actually have the riser cable So I was able to test fit it with the cage, but he had to let go just to another store and like buy a kit so that I could complete the build. So I was like working on another system in the meantime I forget where I was going with this, but like he left He was gone I'm like If anyone came to the store, it was me and Google Translate.. Like I had no training. so I was just like writing people's names and the issues with their computers on scraps of paper. Like I just do what you can. Dude, it was so much fun I'm actually Very proud of the result of One of the things that I did, I don't think you saw it, not the final. Dude, I'm assuming I know what you're talking about, but not the final. I've still got it Oh, you mean The skill. Y, yeah. I thought you meant the thing and I was like, I thought that was like not on a customer build, but I still No I still got Brother. Tch Yeah. I did a ninety degree bend by hand putut it down on the tile. Perfect, Nice. Act perfect. nice. dude, I still got it. Anyway, was a lot of fun and I'm really excited for that video to come out. It's gonna be freaking awesome. All right, let's do a couple of coms Yeah, sure. I've just got a couple here for you If you had to do your job for a week using only your phone, would you be able to manage? Or would it be an actual problem for the company? Also shipping seem faster these days to the UK. than. M A So I want to try However I think I would have to use something like the Z foold or the triifold, excuse me from Samsung that supports decks because there's no way that I could do like script review, like collaborative work on just a Like just a phone size screen That would not Um That would not work for me But I think if I could use Samsung deeX I could probably get by. We don't really review raw footage or I don't have to review raw footage over the network anymore. We use frrame IO So that would have been one of the obstacles in the past that would have prevented me from doing that Otherwise, I think I could pull it off as long as I can use a keyboard mouse and a large monitor U As for shipping, Um Random shoutout. too Mr. Tony He has been U behind the scenes Oh yeah, doing Doing stuff. Yeah, Do the work We had a lot of operational debt in Cateor Warehouse for years. and that's not That's not a shot at anybody Um But Tony's been doing great. When you're when you're when you're learning, when you're building the plane while you're flying it and moving fast. And sometimes, you know, stuff happens and you just got you just got to kind of solve problems and deal with that later, you know But Tony has come in and basically from the outside improved nothing. But from the inside Fixed to the damn machine. Yeah Like, okay, at risk of revealing too much about the challenges that we had in the early days. I think it was about a year ago I was made aware that every return that had ever been returned to create a warehouse was still sitting in a corner of the warehouse, on giant stacked palles So hold them. That's where we did those like sa things those blind boxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. because that was just like every return we'd ever had, we went through it, graded it, made sure it was still in good condition or whatever. because a lot of its still brand new. Logistics is really hard And people to a lot of people, it's so simple I order things on Amazon and they just arrived the next day. It' so simple. It's like, yeah Yeah, for Amazon, we're not Amazon. You know, and I don't think you want us to be Amazon. Yeah. like it's It's complicated. And the fact that we are a company at the relatively tiny scale that we are and we ship to so many countries is crazy. I don't want to make any promises Other than that, I know that Tony's working on it, but one of the things that people have thought is just insane that we don't offer is the ability to choose her own shipper your own shipping provider. we don't allow it. We just ship with the one shipping provider. and the reason for that is that it decompllicatifies our logistics and gets us better rates so that our overall shipping can be more price competitive But that's something that I know that he is actively working super hard on and that a lot of people are going to be really excited for So yeah, massive shout out, Mr. Tony for u for all the logistics work that he's been doing. and a lot of it has been especially not visible because it's been around dealing with like tariff crap that ended up being completely unnecessary because they were deemed illegal. they come back Yeah, I saw that. Unless' not. Unless' not. Yeah, who knows? The straight's open unless it isn't, you know, true I can't hear, by the way, I don'ty? I can't hear anything. Oh sure. Why not? don't I neverad it. Hello. sorry, can you hear this? callall the bondula. I me from Dan primarily. Oh, okay, well here, you can just read it on here and I have it up. Okay. Oh. I just bought an LDD bag. Hi Anyway, hi, Luke. spepecifically question for everyone I have started a computer repair service. I'd like some professional opinions for stuff like pricing and values. L love you I'll let you go first Oh no, I meant let me know when Dan's done At least I'm talking. Okay. I. Thanks, man. Ooh, tough time to get into that. It's I don't know, it might not be a super tough time because I'm assuming people are going to try to keep their systems going for a lot longer than they did in the past. So you might be able to find a niche of people who just really can't upgrade right now. And software issues never completely go away. Yeah, there I think it's less lucrative of a market now. Because I think antivirus is just like way, way better than it was in like the early twenty ten s, late twenty zeros Pricing, I have no idea. values. I've kind of always been on the side of like you know, the automotive shop that I know that's near me that has like the longest wait list is also the one that is most reputable. for like not scamming their customers and stuff. And if you get known as someone that people can reliably go to who will actually fix problems and charge Dot. A low price but a reasonable price for the job that you do, hopefully that will continue getting you customers. I can't speak from experience on this because I've never tried to put together a pricing model for a repair shop. But what I can tell you is that as someone who has thought about what that model might look like. U the way that I would want to tackle Luke's not cheap but fair Um Vibe is Not quite it doesn't have to be like per minute. But like a fifteen minute increment billing instead of like, you know We start at one hour So you know, maybe you could do fifteen or half hour increment billing, but at like a higher hourly rate or something like that Like I could see I could see something like u, orr like, you know, or doing parts on like a cost plus model with transparency. Like I always loved that. about my mechanic shop back when I had to do, you know, like oil changes and stuff before So don't hide that. 'cause basically everybody does that. so just don't hide the fact that you're doing. No, Oscar would give me an itemized list down to like a thirteen cent gasket And he would have his marku on it. You're charing He's charging you fifteen cents for that gasket. And you know it cost him thirteenents. Exactly. and everything was transparent and really honest Um and like a big part of building trust is You know, never advice if someone comes in asking to spend money advising them if they shouldn't That's really, really important U So something I ran into because I was doing this for a little bit out of high school Something I ran into is where the money was for me. was in service contracts U or even individual jobs for fairly small businesses. U making sure that their systems were secure. I worked with a lot of like It would be like a notary Republic, notary public, not Rublic. anyways, and like small little law firms and stuff like that where like they cared about their data security where the loss of all their data could be the loss of their company. So like that was a valuable thing to them. They cared about that But The job for you isn't necessarily like hyper complicated. You just need to be able to you need a way to be able to jump into their systems quickly and reliably. You need to make sure that their security stuff is well up to date and that the usage of their computers is locked down enough that it is reasonably secure And You're kind of like I found it useful to literally walk through their little office who' always really small because I was a small I'm operational myself. You were But I mean, not that small. You were never as small as me, for instance. But walk through their office and make sure like no one's doing sticky note passwords and stuff like that like look, observe and actually act on those things Um That's where I find a use amount of money. I don't think this person is suggesting that they're opening a shop. because they said they've started a service. Yeah, mobile service seems like kind of a that's a little way to go. Definitely the way to go. I would not open a brick and mortar. Back when I was still working at the computer store and my aunt and uncle have always really encouraged me to pursue entrepreneurship in some form. I don't think they would have predicted this whole YouTube thing.ure. But my aunt came up with this kind of fun name for a business that she called Nphew to the Rcue And she she was like yeah, she was like Basically her concept for it was like tech repair by bike essentially. And you recruit whether it's through like an affiliate type program or whether it's like a partnership You recruit nephews to try to sort of cover, you know, a geographical region and by doing everything just with kind of your kit on a bicycle and bringing it the service to people you could be competitive with something like a like a geek squad by keeping your overhead super low. And the idea is just that, you know, you're not like a major corporate sort of Scary thing fair and reasonable, friendly pricing And u knowledgeable nephews to kind of come in and and help you with your tech stuff. and seemeemed like a really cool idea, but I was not at a stage in my life where I was you know ready to start a business. Um But Lgitimately seems like, yeah, pretty kind of a pretty fun fun branding for it. and And a kind of neat model actually. Pankrat said, having been in computer support business in the past, it will vary from market to market, but business IT support will be one hundred fifty to two hundred dollars an hour pretty easily in most places, but most lean towards standardized contracts, like support contracts and stuff Obviously more consumer facing stuff will be a bit less, but I wouldn't expect much less than a hundred dollars an hour. Something I liked about standardized contracts was if you do a really good job You might not need to do any work that month and you still get paid Pretty sweet. But that also means That if u proverbial Wh pits the fan and say it's like a a wide attack that's hitting potentially all of the places that you're servicing You might also U But yeah, with that, we are overtime. and someomeone finally noticed Um Dt flippped find it. Yeahes, someone asked if our faces are you should Yeah here it is. You should unflip it for the Urban fervor says, am I on drugs or our Linus and Luke's face is slightly warped Yeah, go for it, Dan. Yeah flip it back and then we can say goodbye A I going to run it? Yeahah, sure There you. And I never got to use my technical difficulties background. they work so hard on. There you go. All right No Notice how the text on my shirt is facing the right way now. Yeah. I got bamboos Just give people a hard time for relief. All right, thanks for tuning in guys. See you again next week, sameame bad times, same bad chn. Bye Bye pack Pactically everything What u who's this first Oh That's cool. I want to show up difficulties background and I'm too proud of it. There we go Thank Thanks for tuning in, everybody