Star City Episode Four Review

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And I want to do something iconic this summer, so I'm giving away all my Paris points. Just find somewhere you've always wanted to stay, then go to my socials or Hilton's and tell me about it Just make sure you're a Hilton Honors member, and I might be sending you Paris points because when you want points that make your summer even hotter, it matters where you stay boards have to clear the room Welcome to watch, My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at theringer dot com and joining me in the studio, the new manager of Tunisia, it's Andy Greenwall. Did he get sacked? He dead. afterfter one game. After one game, Sweds will do that to you. Let me tell you whoa. It's really good to see Kia. we're here in Los Angeles. I'm back from my Midwest sojourn. I've put in the work. Yeah. I've watched the shows. I've seen the movies. You've seen Mbe Pritzker up close. Most importantly, I have watched The football It's World Cup season. the Kicker Champions. Widows Bay. Finale on the horizon, House of the Dragon premiering soon. The bear' almost back. I'm trying to set a scene, dude. You are. tryrying to paint a picture off the little pleasures life can still offer. Wonderful. Yeah I mean, I'm thrilled I need this from you. It just compbulated. The watchatch podcast is a podcast about television and pop culture and you can email its hosts One of them reads it. It's the watch atpotify d. com. The watch pod underscores the Instagram handle You can watch this on YouTube at the Ringer dash TVs channel. where you can also follow Joe and Rob in the prerestige GV pod as they make their way through Cape Far As I have continued to do, I will say, I don't know if you saw the big news about a surprise pis. I don't want to lt the komono too much, but our friends at Apple TV old us We got an email saying, Hey, big secret. Yeah Maybe we'll revisit it who can say Wh can say? Today we are going to be talking a little bit about some news and notes in the world of television, a trailer, some casting news, a survey of a slightly alarming secondcond half of twenty six schedule that we've got on our hands. You are alarmed. I just noted it with interest. U We're going to talk about the fourth episode of Star City and Andy has gone on on a kind of new adventure. Widows Bay has given him permission Yeah to indulge in horror films for the first time in his Is life Well indulges a bit Rich. he watch weapons because he watched Widows Bay and he was like, maybe I'm ready. And not no spoilers, but you enjoyed it. his tweets from twenty twenty five, That movie rips. I've put together a little bit of a horror one hundred one. Oh, thank you. For Scaredy cats who like Widows Bay I think this is going to be really servicey. Hopefully. I think there are hundreds of us. Let's start with the most important news 's let her hair down a little bit. Let's get into character. How are you doing and how is your weekend? Chris, I love sports. I don't know to tell you. spports are great. Sports still got it And by the way, I do not include MMA in my list of great sports from the weekend. just Just that way. I mean pererhaps your hyperture was wider than mine. Maybe you could both sides it, but that's where I am. What sport do you think you would like to see at the White House next Oh, this is a great question. what would I' like to see next? Yeah. Russian Roulette. I think should turn into the spin. Yeah I was going to say Gladiator fights. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, it was a cool sports weekend. and I think I've seen a bunch of people say this, but it does feel like a weird moment where There were Stanley Cup, the Carolina won Stanley Cup last night. you had twelve World Cup matches over three days for sixteen World Cup matches over three days fourour days and you had the next winning on Saturday night World Cup is like triple or quadruple headers every day. You can basically watch sports from the second you wake up to the second you go to bed And it kind of feels like that thing that Every single person as I I've come in has said something about cursal orourism, you know. Yes. And it's kind of like, that's the juice, man. You love it when when everybody iss kind of on the same page. If even a city as famously disparate and challenging to socialize in as Los Angeles was brimming with good spirit and collective beer ingestion and just also I mean, as a longtime supporter since yesterday, of Cote DVoir And their sporting project You know, likeike it was a really nice to see you got introduced to Jan Dia Monday. Yeah, I sure did. Yeah. you were a long time. Liverpool are looking to spend seventy million euros on him. That's nice to att least It was really it was just really fun. And then speaking of collectivism, like see New York City, Neworkity means a lot to us. I have not I do not root for their teams, but many of my friends do. Millions of my friends taking to the streets overver the weekend was shop. No, I'm not wereere you going to zag? I wasn't zagging. I instantly sent Sean a text to say, I'm really happy for you dog. Like I wanted to make sure he knew Be over the weekend? Yeah. I was like, there is a settled down juice sip to be had here. Do you think? No Just act like you've been there before I feel like we celebr. No, I'm just kidding. I think that obviously like New York is a special, special place people are confronted with one another in almost every aspect of their life from their transportation to like, you know, you getting in a hot dog on the street, cllassic New York behavior. That's you. Where's Chris Goblin the wall truck again. Goblin down r dirty water dog. And I think the fact that they live together means that they party together and celebrate together. And I think it's awesome. What was your favorite New York partarty video that made you wish you were back for. I mean, honestly, I'm a simp, but the Safty Nike commercial was pretty incredible. That's good. You know, I think that I was I was watching, I think u Mondani was at the Puerto Rican D you a Brazil match with Hoool. And I was like, this is just, this is how I wanted to be. You know what I mean? That's what it should be like. Reaching across the aisle. Centrist and left say Which aisle is this exactly? I enjoyed. I saw our friend Washu posted a video of a man like swag surfing on a light like a light pole Yeah with fireworks going off behind him. but my favorite, I think was the one where there's a crowd of people masked on the streets celebrating and then a bus pulls up because there's public transportation and everyone in the crowd immediately starts going Bus, bus bus and they all are just cheering for the bus and the bus drives on I put went on it, it's free That's o, o because you made. I don't know if that's happening. whatever he He's open a grocer st. I know that that guy's killing it. Good for him. Yeah, I love that. for buuzzing. I like it. I like it You're okay with it? Yeah.. As a long time hurricanes fan. I wondered about that. What can you tell us from? and we're going to get into the other TV, I promise, but I want to talk briefly about World Cup because you should mention again, you are also hosting over hosting And really just supporting Adam Friedlin in this new project. It's the Adam Friedelin show, Colin, The beautiful Pod. It's on his feed. on Spotify Ringer. How are you feeling about the u You know, the culture setting that you guys are doing together. you figuring each other out, feeling each other out as you go? Yeah, we were trying to decide how many of the people who seem to be enjoying America so much on Twitter, like people with tourists in our nation Yeah are in fact CIA plants. It seems like you guys have some shared interest there. My favorite thing, before we talk about how much fun it has been to watch these games and the US game was amazing. but all of them are amazing and incredibly fun to watch Did I noted with some interest that The single most important thing in American sports, which is naming rights to stadiums Th do not travel internationally. orr FIFA was like, you have to pay more U, who who named their stadium field Like somebody basically took down all the like the corporate nomclature. So So last night's match between Ecuador and Cotovoir. place at the Lincoln Financial Field. home of the twenty twenty four worldld Champion, Philadelphia Eagles. Hang on to it. I just wantedawn to hear that part And he can't hear shit God hears bl. All he hears is new new state of mind by Billy Joel. the next one and Disclosure dayay beat tracking This is Seaan's greatest weekend ever. Sure. So the game the match was played at Lincoln Financial Field and yet Apparently, it was played at Philadelphia Stadium Phadelphia, Pennsylvania.. and the opening USA Paraguay match, which took place in its SofI, which I don't know what is sofi It's a bank f course it is, but really what is it? It's a financial serervices institution. Why't you ask Adam that question? Let's see what he has to say about it. They paid what hundreds of millions of dollars for the rights to slap their name on that. And yet to the viewers of that match, that was Los Angeles Stadium. It's like playing a Genesis Sig genis. It's like they don't the rights in and it's just like, Yeahah The Philadelphia is running back to pick a random player. Was this a football Sega Genesis game or a legal thriller Starring OJ. Bimpson For whom the what the slippers didn'titady toquit. That's right. Anyway, I found that fascinating. Any other thoughts as a longime soccer head about, is this particularly good already this year? or is it just that larger field? It's been four years something feel good Hydration breraaks suck. I think that they are needed in some environments, but not in climate controlled stadiums or at night I think that the outrage at that will continue, especially if there's one They were saying there was several matches where a hydration break occurred when you felt like the game was teetering in a way that could go one way or the other. And for them to use these as and I think specifically Fox, but whoever it is is like it's ads. Maximizing the ad space that they can do is really, really disappointing You know, they can do picture and picture advertisements if they have to, like they can extend halftime if they want to. like there's all sorts of ways that they could have done this. so for them to break up the integrity of a football match is pretty P pretty disappointing, but other than that I think it's been a pretty resounding success on the field. You know Yeah for sure. I mean, there's been some already some real black marks against I would say the United States of America's hosting capabilities so far, but really, I thought everyone was going to Delhis. I think the Somali Re being sent back home was rather disappointing. Yeah. You don't think the deelhis outweighed that But with the delies English tourists going to D. Yeah and all the Scottish fans taking over Boston. I mean, all that shit has been amazing though. Yeah. Where are you on referee cameras? They're incredible. Just like it just looks like fucking There was a project. There was a Nike commercial. twenty years ago that I think guuy Richie did. right. That had all like that was that first person camera kind of U, but I think that When you're watching from the angle that most Normal human beings watch football It's like back and forth and it can feel kind of languid and you know, they're controlled. And then when you see that ref cam, you realize like Ething is happening in split second decisions and these guys are doing the impacts are violent. Yeah the impacts are super violent. So no wonder they're diving. It probably hurts. It probably hurts a little bit. Yeah, I MA every four years believer in the beautiful game and I as you know, like it really gets swept up in the romanticism of things both on the field, but also I do, I'm a sucker for it. I'm like, o, the South Koreans are being adopted by their Mexican hosts in Guadaljora. And I' like what a wonderful world it is. And then I was like, I wonder if FIFA is going to keep the good vibes going And I saw that the next The Iteration of the World Cup in Spain Portgal and Morocco. And I'm like they could do it again withre people exploring different countries and the countriryes collaborating. And I was like, where could we go next in twenty thirty four? And then I see it' Saudi Arabia? Yes, like, Okay. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of years between now and twenty thirtyteen. That's true. There of a lot of, as Adam would say, read comedy festivals to get through between now and then You know, speaking of I mentioned the intelligence services earlier, CIA and the Middle East an important storyline within the first two seasons of Lionist Paramount Plus show that I God you're the best. I'm pretty excited by. That's coming back in the fall. Yeah. And I just want you to put it out there that we are back up Okay, so all right I have a lot of enthusiasm for this upcoming season. When have you not? Did you your enthusiasm? I think that the Sheridan brand to me has taken on some taken some lumps recently I think Regardless of whether or not there are things to like about the second season of Landman Duton Ranch, the Madison etcetera. marshals like It's started we've diluted the product a little bit. Oh It's stepp done I think a little bit And Lionus this season, which I bet is going to be the last one is I is like that's the pure shit. That's the black tar What specifically makes this don't really know what it is. I think that this is kind of This is like the darkest most unrelentingly violent and cynical project he has. And I know that, you know, it's received into a world that is ever changing in terms of the chess pieces on the The uh global military board and Id probably feel differently about like special operator porn now than I do Oh five years ago. Okay. I don't know when it came out, but this it's just a teaser. They seem to be you know, the marriage at the center of this show between Dave Vannabeel andZoe Salania seems to be Still teetering as he tries to reckon with. Did you not watch this te teaser I know. Okay. Well, you have something to reward your. I can't wait after a hard day's work. Should we step down and No dive into it. We don' up. I'm excited for that. That's coming out in the fall. Can I pause you for a second? Did you just refer to the Lioness as special operator Because what's exciting about that to me is imagining a world where as in Russian, was we learned from Star City, which we're going to talk about There's a real like calling people by their titles and honorifics. Chief designer. I would be really into Lionus if instead of calling her whatever her name is, Lionus Joe, Joe, they would be like spepecial operator You're needed on the border There's a bunch of trucks that need to get shut up And she'd be like, I'm on it. Yeah U Do you know about the video game development of the Sheridan universe? We haven't talked about this Yeah, what are they doing So it was reported that there is like they're actively pursuing opportunities to expand this brand into the video game space. And what's interesting though Paramount Games has said that quote the entire Yellowstone IP is a major focus for them At no point do they say that there's going to be a lion game Which I think is so weird. Technically it's not in the Yellowstone IP. No, but That's the one where you could see the game because it basically is call of Duty, yeah And he Tay Sheridan is making aall of duty moie, right? he's attached to that. Yeah The ones that are oh, okay, Lionus is mentioned in the thing It's third. develop it after Yellowstone and Tulsa King Oh, Tulsa Kking's weird. I was gonna to ask you if you had seen the glowing reviews for the James Bond game that just came out No No light? No, no, no. It made me You get the itch, look at you. I just like was I started scratching up here. And then I started scratching like right here. Yeah, right where the mle veined. The old wound. Yeah. And I was like, should we get the band back together Might we go halves on the PS five? M First of all Please save me for myself. Do think that in my limited involvement with contemporary video games which is with my children for the most part on the Nintendo Switch two platform Days of like what we are talking about is like Goldenye and Perfect Dark, which was really an ideal like vehicle in which to express our feelings about Wu Tang Klan' the W being released and also where we were in terms of like consumption. Like that was a good because you just sort of ran around dark hallways and smashed the button Vide gaming now for the most part is like a lot of like, you're doing great, James Bond Why not try turning left here and And he's like, bet I can't, my trauma. They're like, no, skky falls to the right. Like there's so much talking. There's really there's some really good parodies of this that I've beenerved. but basically, like for example, when when we were in college M in the same way that you went to hardcore shows and I asked you if you'd come with me to see Bel Sebastian play at a university library. Yeah. When we crossed over, it would often be in the realm of like a goldenerper chun super chunk. right. But in my own time, I would play like Final Fantasy seI. Yes, you know, and like really like bring down the evil Shinrock Corporation from the comfort of my dorm room So they remade this game. for the swwitch too. And I was like, children, children, your father has a cultural artifact to share with you that has been updated to your demanding graph. always goes well for you. Standard. Yeah And the entire game now is like the whole the whole purpose of the first game and it was really brilliant at the time is you're playing this main character who's a cypher who looks cool as hell. He's got a big And final fantasy? Yeah, he's got a big sword. I thought was a lady. H name is There's many final fantasies. We'll get into this. Okay. Kai. how we doing? we're killing it, right? She's interested. U We look the hard out. I know. But I'm just saying the point is in that game The blankness of your protagonist is the story because you find out that his memories are fake, S everyone else is reacting to him and whatever, whatever in the new game because there's a need for constant talalking He's just like, every time he fights, he's like, Gcha. You won't walk away from that so easily, will you? And she's like, Look out Cloud. Well done. And then like there's the voice of the game being like, we must hurry if we want to solve the mystery. Sounds like the social reckoning teaser is exactly like that. That's contemporary all of this, right? Like we must fill the frame and the speakers with as much information constantly as possible All of this is to say, I don't know if a James Bond game would give us the base thrills that we're looking for anymore. What it might teach you There's only one way to find out. All right There's only one way to find out. Speaking of spying. Yeah. I just want to mention that the legacy of sppies TV series that's supposed to come out on BBC, but then stars, I believe, or MGM MGM, I think. Yeah because of the bomnd. Probably next year, I would imagine, and this will lead me to my next segment is continues to fill out its cash. It stacking this thing They got Hugh Laori playing control, which I think is sicko mode. And then one of the most interesting choices I've seen in a minute Joe Alwin This playing Jim Prdeu for John Lecere fans. this is and adaptitation of a John LcCerry book, but it is basically the LcCarry Ink you know, his sons and the the the sort of production company that they formed It's their effort to basically start the John Lacare shared universe, I think. Yeah. Jim Prdu is like a major character in Tinker Taylor and Joe Allen, who has done Yeoman's work at rehabilitating his career and I think it's like public facing persona since his romance at Taylor Swift is is like, you know, he's made some really good movies. He's been in some really good movies and I I'll I dare say I think that this entire thing kind of hinges on whether or not he's any good He seems good. I've heard he's a nice guy. You don't like his contributions to the tortured poets I like I like to man in the brutalist Okay I classic Pennsyvanian right there. I liked his shadow over songs like The Black Dog more than I liked his performance in the brrutalists. You were not a brutalist guy Now I hateated the brutalist. Yeah. Anyway, that's a show that I'm looking forward to. And one of the segments I wanted to do with you today is Q question I had Are we back In like nineteen ninety four. whereere we just are taking the late summer off from television. Oh, I thought you were saying, are we back in the way like people say it online. So I was reading Joe Dalian had a really good piece in Vulture about Widows Bay and how it' become a kind of late breaking Emmy if not favorite, at least danger to really upset the Apple cart with the Emmies with the Noms and stuff And I completely agree. I think I don't think that there has been a show Maybe other than the pit And nights that I have heard more people in my life talking about in glowing terms and that they don'tote for Eemmies. What was the second one you said, Like night of Night of S K Night of Where people are like catching up with it week to week. It's growing and growing over the course of the time. Joe had some data about that. I think streaming data is always a little bit suspect, but it seems undeniably true in both like the numbers he had and in liivved experience that this is a unicorn in the sense that it is It has grown exponentially week over week and apparently is still growing. the audience is finding it even now on the precipice of the finale. So I thought that was interesting and in that PceC mentions The the way that spring in TV has turned into late November December in movies. and that stududios are essentially banking their stuff that they think is Emmy worthy to put out at the same time. And now we've complained about this before where there's this huge glut of stuff over the last six weeks, leading up until the Emmy deadline And then there is kind of this like Almost collapse that happens. Now, we do have some good stuff coming out in the coming weeks. likeike I mentioned earlier in the show There's House of the Dragon, the agency, the bear. So Larry David Joe. U I mean, not necessarily for our pod, but The legally blonde show L is coming on on Amazon Prime. Lucky the Ann Tiller Joy show on Apple Lanterns is later this summer and the Wol Ferrell golf comedy, The Hawk, I think is still coming out this summer although That's always hard to tell with Netflix, sometimes I don't think other than until Hotter in December There's like a big show in the fall. as far as I as as far as I can tell Well we could be surprised. We could always be surprised. And that's actually among my favorite moments for this pod and for watching TV is when Either you can catch up on stuff or somethingomet comes out of nowhere. maybe it's a show from another country or maybe it's something that you didn't know Netflix or Apple had and now it's in your face. HBO often will sometimes like have a random thing that they're showing on like what would be like a Monday night show. and it becomes a big deal. but I don't really care about the Emys, as I've said before, but do you think that the EMys are maybe like a little toowerering a little tbe largely over the schedule. Yeah, I think it's a very interesting point to make and I think that like We are dealing with a deficit of attention economy, and it has never been harder to break through Um the noise for anything because as we discuss and as we live, everything TV's, movies, music, politics, news is competing with everything that has ever happened. Disclosure Jade probablyrobably would have made more money if it wasn't for the Nicks and the World Cup And although Sean managed to do all three projects. He sure did. yeah He's doing his part. It's representative in an interesting way of what the major streamers and networks are thinking in terms of what their best bet is for some of their material and Maybe we're due for maybe we're due for correction becausecause I think that there has been such smart scheduling Jiu Jitsu performed over the last few years. it's now been quite some time, but like Netflix under like actually realizing that the holidays aren't the time To avoid releasing things, it's actually the best time to flood the zone, especially with family friendly or appointment type viewing like stranger things That's something that now HBO has learned its lesson from, and that's why the Harry Potter show is coming out around Christmas. It may be time now that schedules are finally, this may be the first year, first, eighteen months that things have finally kind of got back to normal and on track since the double whammy of COVID and the strikes But to your point, like late summer now seems like an opportunity I think that they have over corrected for Emmy attention. I don't think that the Emmys necessarily mean so much in terms of like we have now been validated, but the Emm'ys and the Emmy promotional window and then the long tale of Emmy nominations leading to the awards is it's not certainly not free marketing and advertising, but it is another way to stay at the forefront of the conversation and to keep you in the conversation in a way that is necessary for shows that take anywhere from one year to three years to come back again. So it's just extending the tail of that That said There has to be a limit to this. because one thing that I don't even think we're going to talk about fully today because I don't think you've engaged with it yet, but I did start to check out Um Emedeus on stars. and it's awesome and clever and interesting and worthwhile. and debuted in the UK in the fall. and then Stars kind of Stars picked it up and I don't want to say dumped it, but kind of dumped it a month ago. Yeah I think it's to whatever extent that I just don't think a lot I don't know that a lot of people have stars No. And I don't know if the people who have stars, I mean, Stars is breread and butter is the we were semi joking about it, not that these shows are bad, but there are so many power spinoffs that it's like it's an incredibly thriving ecosystem that I don't know anything about. What I mean what I mean by bringing up Amadeas is that I would imagine the markarketing Department of StARS had a choice. They were like, what is the best bet to get any return on our investment or to have people appreciate the less cynically, appppreciate the show that we've fallen in love with? And I think the two paths were Let' try to get Will Sharp and Paul Betanyneany Emy nominations, or the alternative what potentially would have been There's a dead zone in August where we could say, we've got something fun and surprising and prestigy and cool And for whatever reason they decided to put it in the most crowded portion the year. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what the answer is. I tried throwing out let's have the Emmys twice a year and I feel like do you have do you have like a Pensky shares I feel like the town pushed back on that not Beleny, but the town itself Lucas Saw. I got the responses I got were like, that wouldn't work And then responses. Okay. interesteresting. Well, what if you did the Emmys, you know, I mean, the Emmys are held in the spring, I think because of the traditional network TV cycle of fall to, you know, fall to spring TV programming. Well, well the cutoff window occurs then, because that would be in time to capture the finales of the broadcast eary season exactly I don't know. I mean, that's not really how people watch television anymore. So why not have it in October? No and No. And, you know, there is I was gonna say there's science to it. It's not science to it. It's just also common sense. Like on that podcast, The town, I was listening to I think Craig said that he liked Disclosure Day more than Matt and he thought Emily Blunt might get an Oscar nomination. and Matt was dismissive of it, not because he didn't think she was good, but because I think he was right in saying, this movie would have to go on a generational box office run to carry her candidacy into the sorry, to the Oscar nominating period. I think that's still true. I think that's true If Sinners did a generational box office run, I guess that would be the comp. Sinner Yeah, it's possible. And similarly, like shows there will be Emmy nominees that aired in the fall of twenty twenty five U task as an example, task will definitely get some kind of dermination By it I think the more successful strategy is like front of mind We just ended And then the best best case scenario is Widows Bay, I don't think Apple was like, let's drop this in the eligibility window because we think we have a shot. It was more like, Let's just see. This seems like a fun spring show. Yeah, This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of Doom sccrolling? Smart move. Another smart move Getting help from one of State Farm's nineteen thousand local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Bonjour, compomadre, it's the How do I negotiate so many great travel deals? My greatest gadget. The priceline app. It's got hotel deals, flight deals, rental car deals, all of those deals in a bundle, deals, game day deals, concert trip deals. No one deals more deals than priceline. Hold your horses, there's more The app lets you filter hotels by neighborhood vibe, star level and amenities like pools and spas and beachfonts. and Wait, I'm not done. Stop cutting the slide Let's talk a little bit about Winows Bay because I know that you were So fired up for this and just for the house cleaning, That's what we call it, house cleaning U We will have a special Widows Bay episode on Thursday. for the finale. For the finale. You know, you you said that like you kind of were inspired by Widows Bay to check out weapons finally. I love Widows Bay so much that I Don't have any hesitation about engaging with it and partartly, I think that's because It's rewarded my confidence and faith in it and has only given me one example of a clown chasing a man through a crawl space Um, There has' been a ton of that for whatever reason I think it's One version of the story is like, I'm braver now or maybe I was wrong about myself. The other version of the story is Widows Bay has made me so excited about the possibility of different notes being played on my emotional storytelling piano that I'm willing to give it a shot. Now We don't need to relitigate weapons because that conversation missed me and that's my fault I always hoped watch it to one day be big enough boy to watch it Yeah. I believe on some level that I could handle it. I think that I To my credit, I definitely downloaded it for multiple transratlantic flights that didn't feel like the time were placeaced. Yeah. And also I think it's probably better seen on a bigger screen. Yes. I would agree with that as well. And again, I don't want to I don't want to ding you, you've been nothing but a supportive and good friend to me But I will say And partart of my attempt to sayay unspoiled is I didn't read anything about it So I never saw Zach Creger's quote that he was inspired primarily by Paul Thomas Anderson's film, Magnolia and Jennifer Egan's novel, A Visit from the Goon Squad. Yes. If you, my friend had led with that, I would have been the theater opening weekend. So my issue with that is, a That's not my j beair fair. If I had told you that Yes and you would gone opening night. Yeah, what would I have said? me a picture. Amy Mattigan was torn to pieces by children. I think the blowback on me you would have been mad at me not Z crap. Okay. now let me just prepare you for the next time this comes up because this will not be the last movie in which Oscar winners are torn apart by children. The issue for me is if aging Oscar winners had torn children apart. My allegiance and my emotional. See, I thought you would be like, who's gonna what happens to these children? What kind of therapy do they need? You Theywitched, whatever. They were bewched, whatever. So My child, when the iPad is in front of her, is capable of anything And I can say anything to her Yeah. And it will be as if it's water off the proverbial suucks backack. Cut the little piece of hair. I could. I could do the power that parents now have in front of these children is Awesome. Yes. You could be like, this is the Swedish national team. Yes W we watching them for two hours and fifteen minutes? I did try that with the US national team and the disinterest was like a physical presence in the room with me. Really? The air was thick with not caring. Just the cut of ways to like Marco Rubio didn't do it for them or they still believe in JD. So anyway, I put together a little bit of a list here of recent horror movies to talk to about. Iould I say one last thing though off course. That guy can really make a movie. Yeah. it was awesome. It did validate a thought that Widows Bay had given me, which is that I can go on wo thoughts One, I can go in any journey with characters am if I believe them on an emotional or human level And I love which character did you identify with in weapons Glatus U I think the elderly are often discarded by our capitalistic society, you know, and I felt like her attempt to find a home I think we've both been motivated by elder care recently. Brolland gives real like son dad Vibes but I wondered whether or not you really were like, I too would never give up looking for my disappeared child. No, none of that. No, no. I wasn't I didn't need to find me in this. because I think we know generally that like book talkk and like YA fandom is like super toxic, but then there were those people who were like, I don't read the descriptions. I only read dialogue because why would I want Why would I trust someone else's point of view? I did not see this. This is a whole movement of few Maybe I think I was saving it for our book talk, not TOK, but actual talk about books. Anyway, I do not need to have a hero on screen to watch art U That said, I mean, like the fact that the movie was grounded in a world in which Julia Garner has this like you know, destructive relationship with Alden Erenich's cop. Yeah and that they have a history with each other Another little piece of my Alden Erenck IPO, don't you? I have fucking almost missed it. One saw him in Becky Sot. I know And Andy's text response was, so you really like him, huh What do we know? That was your response. That you saw the movie? No, you saw the play? when I was like, my boy, Alden cooking in Becky Shaw, and you were like, Ohh, you really like that guy, huh O I sound like a real asshole over text. I think you're invally just like, I get believe Chris is at like a Broadway play and It' be nice. It's probably what I said. Basically I was like cooking a dinner that I kn know was gonna be rejected in six minutes and you were like, Broadway. Yeah. No, no, just like I loved the attention to in the spirit of Magnolia, the attention to characters who felt fully realized and real before the supernatural shit and the way that it overlapped stories and took one step back for a different perspective. and g like these little details like Benedict Wang, principal Benedict Wang and his husband having hot doog day. Like these little fucking like fun, funny details were wonderful and Earon Reich is awesome in that part. when I bought into that world, anything could happen in it and it was enjoyable and gripping and not shocking. I will say that like the other thing that I realized in my long absence from realal Horror real horror other than u New York Times. com is the opinion pages, by the way, not the news is that like I kind of forgot that there's Hid you write angry letter about the Kathy Rumler profile that they're in I drafted one. Sir. My drafts folder is blnder s' Madams No, the thing that's driving me craziest about the Times right now is that they change their headlines to be less stupid as the day goes on. Oh they yeah, that's always been like a gameic on Twitter where people are like fixed it for you, you know? Yeah. L like criminal enters White House for a second time. Fixed it for you The edit No, but it's like the Michelle Goldberg cololumn was just like, I followed the Democrat that everyone who's smart wants to be president. And then like by the end of the day, it was like, a day with John Osaw. Yeah Yeah, anyyway. I know the angriest people get up first, you know Good morning. fire off a couple texts to you about what you're wasting your time with in theater. This is gonna to sound very silly saying this to you because you live you are bane born in this particular darkness. but I definitely have self selected myself out of a lot of entertainment that plays to, not just horror wise But like the way you feel at the end when glladtys gets ripped apart by children is a cortisol adrenaline emotion spike that also comes at the end of Die Hard, a movie I hadn't seen in a while and watched recently. like an action movie thing. And that is that's what I was saying, like the part of the keyboard that I don't often tickle That was wild. Yeah, like I think that I am increasingly becoming the person who like rides roller coasters to feed feel something But worry that Yeah prettyret soon, I'm not gonna the roller coaster. you know, it's just gonna to be like, what's the tallest building? And what are you gonna do? J just jump and feel, you know. But with horror movies, that's a I meant that more a metaphor. Yeah. You want to know where you should go next And or if I can, Yeah. Well, the biggest question is Are you so fired up Are you so lost on this on this weapons gas that you'll go see Resident Eil with me I I think two things. One Fountains of blood in this movie. I think that's gonna be zombies I mean, I did just undead. I'm sorry That's what we're calling them now. Is that the unhoused of zombies Incredible. Okay, I will cop to one last thing I think controlling the environment helped my engagement withure I did have the lights on I did have a cat nearby Trottling and grabing purposes She was not scared, by the way She seemed worse. Um, I could I don't know, it was powerful for me to be like If I'm wrong about this, I could go in the other room. Yeah You can always hit pause Yeah. do that that's really getting on the ride. So I don't know. Yeah.. Okay, so Resident Evil is the next Krager movie. Yeah. I saw the trailers sick. It's sick. That's your boy Allison Abrams too. back for more. Another IPO holding. I've been You have been nurturing that. I'm America's first triillionaire You fucking bought that as a penny stock from Spike Jones. I saw him in Paper toowns. Incredible. A movie with Kara Delevine. And I can't remember who else and it's like It was a Joh Green adaptation And I was like, that kid's going po is e thought it was Gracie's less talented younger brother until about six weeks ago. No, I know, but that probably is why you didn't respect his craft as as you were like another Nppo. much like Jane Campion's daughter stomping all over Star City. I am detecting Yeah yeah. a slight withiff. of a need for a minor amount. Well ironic distance in your horrorilm. What I'm saying is give me give me the three pitch speeds that I could go into. Okay. So number one would be thingsings that have some tongue in tongue in cheek, some meta commentary, some Comic elements. Scary movie five. No. Okaykay good Jhn of the dead I love that. Okaykay. Just making sure. I mean, yeah, come on cabin in the woods H never seen it I think you would enjoy it. Okay. and scream three which is the one set in Hollywood where they're making a scream, they're making stab about sccream and the script is kind of being written as it goes and killing people. But don't you think that runs afoul of my first the first plank in my absolutely rock solid weapons platform, which was real people. with real emotional You don't think that that Sidney Prescott is a real person. You don't think she carries us Okay I see what you're saying though. and I love Seanwn of the Dead. So the thing is is that weapons has comic moments. Obviously Widow's Bay is sort of pitched more as a What if horror was happening in a sitcom? Yeah. although I think as the second half of the season is gone on. I coming gone away from the office space aspect of it and more into the like I These people are in true danger. But I did want to suggest a movie called The Invitation which is a Karen Fr Kusama movie from ten years ago, maybe at this point, maybe longer First of all just very much feels like that I know I'm in a major city, but it feels like I'm alone in the world. Okay. Dinner party. Psychological thrill or horror movie, Logan Marshall Green is in that? Sure. And it is about a dinner party that turns into a kind of a cult initiation kind of thing. By the way, for non longtime listeners Chris mentioned Logan Marshall Green because that is a stock that is still you're still you're hold, but you're not Jon Marshall. He's the most popular television show. that's Nepppo. He's Marshallreen That's he didn't earn that. No, but speaking of like but you mentioned to me because his mother was my college acting teacher. Yes, and she's done a great job. great. In terms of There's a couple that like came out where I wonder whether or not they would just be too intense. Like there is not the release valves that I think weapons has where can Yeah. Yeah, like we're going to hit stop. It's a new vignette. You're going to get to start with a new vibe with Earren Reich or with Abams or with Benedict Long or whatever. And the other thing that is, I think For me, I guess sort of, I didn't even pay attention to it you get a taste of what's coming and then you rewind. So like the weapons tells you what happens to Benedict Wang and then you just find out why it happed. And it's absolutely horrific, but you are a little bit That's what I'm saying. you have you need a stiff arm up. You know, You need a Heisman. So OJ. Bimpson up in my face. Among recent films, I mean, for instance, the best H thriller that I've seen this decade is Red Rooms. I don't think you can handle Redooms. Who made that one? It's a French Canadian film about a woman who becomes obsessed with the serial killer of young girls. Mhm And she goes to his trial every day There are reasons for that I hope so. I mean, I'm a fan of cinema and I hope that there is. I do think you might be interested in Empty Man. It has David Fincher vibes. It's kind of more like in the manhunter genre of James Badgedale plays a cop Thats another guy you love. And it's like kind of a crosssover between like the occult and serial killer. but o. if you like Mindhunter, love Mind If you like Mhunter, if you like love hunting generally. seeven, I think that that you'd be into that. But again, not a lot of laughs. Okay It follows Dave Robert M Mitchell's movie about Oh, I've heard about the curse Yeah Virginity a virginity curse basically falls around Micah Monroe. Couldn't be us An an abandoned kind of experbia Hi Cinematically incredibly like compelling to watch, some really good filmmaking, a couple of real fucking like that scary moments. They're going to make a sequel of that. so get on board now before it happens. All right. this is good. Also Half of these you could be making up I could be. And then Strange Darling was one from a couple years ago or maybe even just last year JT. Mullner's movie, and he went on to write the last, the long walk, the Stephen King adaptation It's a K of Tarantino S take on Tw people chasing each other across the countryside and it's like what is going on here? who's the good guy? who's the b guy But two incredible concerns because Yeah. And I think this is not I think this is potentially servicey as well because I like I said, I don't think I'm the only one who is because people have asked me in my life like Can I handle Widows Bay? I don't like her. Right. And the answer is absolutely yes And I think it's good to try new things. and I'm not you know, I play a part here a little bit. Like I have seen Uh A scary movie once No, but I wouldn't make you watch Green Room, which is the Jeremy Saonne's movie about a punk rock band being chased by white supremacists. 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So whether it's the first Te or the last hole, your mind stays where it matters. On your next great shot, dial in your game this summer with Lulu Lmon Golf gear available in stores and at lululeemon. com Can I just ask I know we're up against it, but Kayak, do you where are you on this in terms of horror movies Have you seen any of these that he's mentioned? Yes, I've actually seen this is like the most movies I've seen out of a Chris Ryan list. last We forget this. You guys watch a lot of zombie stuff. Yes Green Room is really good. ready The invitation is very good It Fllows is probably one of my favorite movies I've seen. Damn there a couple decades Wow. it's all right there waiting for you. I mean, I am such a what's the word baby that I actually some credit. No, but about this, not about watching things like I can watch hard things and I can surprise myself with scary things and I can be I was delighted with some of the jump scares and weapons. I will say though, I am so relatively new to this and perhaps I have bubble wrapped myself so intensely. that when the movie was over and I was super psyched, I was faced immediately with two problems. One, you were fucking in a different time zone, so I couldn't tell you and brag about how I hadd done something. And two I was like, am I gonna have nightmares I actually thought, I'm like, well now much I do to worry about that because all I have is stressed nightmares about doing podcasts a billion percent. They're never interesting. They're always like, I've woken up late and I forgot what I'm talking about. I completely get. Bill's mad Bills in the basement. Yeah. Yeah. So was Gladys. I didn't. I wish I had seen it early enough to have not even been spoiled by Anngladys. Oh And the other one I would say that you should watch, honestly, even though you're gonna to find it too intense in places is the twenty eight years later and twenty eight years later Bone Temple. Okay, this came up were two of my favorite movies of the last two years. I did star twenty eight years later and I And I was like, I can't wait to tell Chris I did this. So he'll be proud of me. And I tapped out. Okay. I tapped out. early because of this three hundred sixty shhots of guys eating deers or whatever or No deer can be delicious if prepared properly. Yeah sometometimes you have to be warned about buckshots. you really held Gayail Simmondons' feet to the fire about venison preparation in a zombie apocalypse. I have to rush you through this because I want to do Star City before we get out of here. I'm sorry for the speed round. Lovely episode of television Dark Forest. It was directed by Stehan Schwartz, which I want to make sure I get right and Liba Vayinberg wrote it. There was some elements of this one that reminded me of for all mankind in good ways where you start to see the beginnings of You know, freeway extensions to the future. the beginning of like I say a nine month mission that the chief designer is going to spoilers for this fourth episode, obviously. And we're keeping Star city at the end so that obviously like it's a growing show. It's a show that's new and many people haven't caught onto it yet. I'd like to see it further up Apples u top shows ratings But it's something that I think is just a wonderful, wonderful show, and it is among my favorite things that's been released this year so far. So yeah, you see the for all mankind building blocks of like These people are going to go out into the far reaches of the galaxy and we'll be gone for nine months. And it's like, this is the kind of series that takes those kinds of jumps and takes those kinds of risks. The real drama and the real action remains grounded in Moscow and in Star City And I thought that this one was a lovely episode of television that was Also an example of This one they Do things you see on other series And they do him so fucking well that you're just like, you know what, brother I know the notes play the song anyway. Yeah. So like this episode opens with a how Valia was corrupted by the U. S. intntelligence serervices to become a mole And you've seen like these kinds of flashbacks done Tons of pionade shows, tons of other shows do the like three years earlier, now we explain why this person is the way they are And it's done so artfully like there are these shots of U Tanya and Valia when they're at a party together and there's like they're both in windows separate from each other in an apartment And then you can tell that they see each other and she comes over to him and is in his window and they're being watched by a US intelligence operative Operative U that and then at the end of the episode When Asaggio who's been hitting the bottle and signing signing autographs and kissing babies Finally, the closest she's come to getting back out into space is setting off fireworks with a bunch of dorks from a From a physics department at a university out by a Dacha on a lake somewhere in Rural Russia. And her joy and also like just some of the shots of them setting off these fireworks. I was like this This doesn't need to be this good, but because it's this good, it makes this show great. But those are my big takeaways. I couldouldn't agree with you more. I feel like you even another example, even from just that opening that's explaining the story of how a hero has ostensibly been turned to be a villain within the narrative of the show. the moment when he is approached by the Western operative to turn him inter turn him because of the exposure of his wife, right to protect a disant group. Yeah. They're waiting for a bus, and then the bus engine starts and we don't hear the conversation real real Gs know, you can move in silence like lasagna. Yeah. and you can do that like sometimes in art with negative space and you can do it and it's hard to do it particularly hard to do it as a writer in a shrinking industry like television where you can't trust, you can get your point across to the various levels of executives and development people and producers But ultimately it's aisual media. if you trust the story you're telling and your collaborators in it, they can tell you the story with the pictures and you can win by saying less. And that was an incredible moment that captures that best Um You mentioned for all mankind, I would say that the for all man kindness of this episode for me at first, was the groaning runtime And I say this to people, if anyone is still listening who wants to be sold for episodes in on the show, I hear you I didn't feel particularly fired up to watch the fourth episode of Star City because is so visually committed to the color palette and the world and the moment and the very, very specific storytelling that I was like, is this really after watching Cote d'voir is this really going to be the rest of my Sunday night? And when it's an hour in ten minutes And the thing about it is watching this Tunisian manager's last match. But I but genuinely, It rewarded patients and it rewards It's like the slow food manenefact. was like I had a note that was like some of these scenes feel more like European cinema than they do American television. They are very, very long. The way that it earns it is so old fashioned and kind of beautiful. They earn it by saying Here are the six characters and we are going to draw them into such inexorably tight knots. Ely E scene is imbued with that extra connection that u and and I think that this two stand up moments for me. of the episode that are both old school and hadn't seen that before Old school is Reesece Fon's performance as chief designer is so subtle and so strong. And even if it was just a passing conversation or if it was always the intention The character is based on kindness and paternalistic decency anchors the show. Like in the midst of people who have like this was an episode that gave Lud Milla like a little bit more She's she's endangered too, even though she's mostly just been shooting people her reaction to that was just to be to choose somebody at random to be brutal too. Exactly. L She's like, if I feel pressure, like some other poor person is gonna gonna get it. Yeah. But But you also could see the scaffolding of like, let's make her a little bit more understandable or empathetic. Chief designer in his scene with I want to get her name right with Lakshmi, who's a new character this week, played by Priya Kanari. Dr. Tata or whoever Yeah. The way that he sort of brings her on is like classic like Hollywood almost. It's like you've mistaken me for someone else and but I love your spunk and your spirit. And by the way, I'm fucking sending you to Venus even though you are not an cosmonaut awwesome and exciting and very old fashioned like I love these people already kind of thing counterpoint that with Arena's discovery much sooner than I think would have necessarily come in a show. would I didn't think they were going to be able to pin this on Vala within one episode of the reveal that Areinna is charged with tracking down this tiny coil, this heat conducting coil that was pirated into the lunar lander It was connected to the French perfume that she had already clocked in their apartment the wee before. Yes. is such elegant sp crashot storytelling Goddamn. Like you and I watch a lot of spy shit. Yeah. And it honestly doesn't take a lot to make us like it And I thought that was just wildly clever. Yeah, and Agnes O'casey's doing a really great job where there is like this sort of dead ember like one little glowing ember of desire inside of her. and I don't know which way it's N going. Like is she in love with Tanya? Is she in love with Vvalia? Is she just in love with the fact they have a private life that yes is full of sensual like awakening and music and travel. Yeah. Or exactly. I didn't even say that. The other thing that made the scene brilliant wasn't the mechanics of like, oh, this is a spring and this is how they got it to her. It's that the previous episode established that she is incredibly jealous of the perfume So in this scene, you're like, did she manufacture a reason to go back there solely toort to spr spray some perfume? Yeah. And That's what makes it excellent. Yeah. it's a great it's on a great run. So I agree with you. it can fill long those episodes Um I worry about falling behind. That's the other thing. I was like, should I We weren't sure if we were gonna to cover it today. And then I'm with you if you're like, I don't know if it's too late ' piling up four of these Iss like feelel Kedy Can be four and a half hours, yeah That's really good. 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