Missing German Physicists and Disappearances

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Everything's about the money, my sweet sony human. I don't think it's about the money America's national treasure pulls a lot better than America's Permiuder triangle with Parking We cover a lot of fun stuff in this one The disappearances, Bfoot DNA, UFOs Vanishings in the park, all kinds of great stuff After I talk, I'll come back and break down what I could confirm And what's still up for debate? And there's quite a bit Let's go down to the basement So Stacacey Aris, I've read that her file was two thousand pages. Do I have that right I wish I knew I don't I wonder how he We know that Because I track that down and that's what I read that her file is that thick, which is about ten times more pages than a typical missing person. I would find that hard to believe. Would you really? I really would I don't know what they could be doing If he hasn't touched it in forty years Yeah, I don't believe that. Well, speculate on her case. whyy Why hold it for forty years Most of the people in that file are dead hundred percent. I think that there's only a few few options. They lost it Or the investigation is so sloppy, they're embarrassed O There's a suspect in the case And they dropped the ball on it It's one of it's two or three, I think Anything something that makes them look bad is what it is So it's It's not, um even disputed that They don't released lists of missing people at the parks. It's not no one disputes that they do not And they say they don't keep track of it, which That's a lie. So tell the story I guess a good way to get into the story would be because we were just talking about George outside. George Knapp. reaches out to you and says They didn't even use your name in the article. I saw this on your show a few days ago Lm like Dave's pissed today. what's going on? So what happened? Substack? There was an article That was written in substact. George sent it to me and said, Dave, you won't believe this And it outlines the national parks reluctance to release information on missing people and How much they wanted to charge Huge article And My name's nowhere in it And it's all your data and research. Didn't it come out the day after your roogan interview comes out? It They didn't reach out to you? No. Why do you think they kept you out of that article I haveave no idea You tell me, please, I don't know. Because in the bigig foot stuff, I would say could be controversial At least in my mind. One thing that's always frustrated me about healthcare is how often you leave an appointment without any real answers You're told everything looks fine, but you're still left wondering what supplements you should take, how much sleep you actually need or what your diet should focus on That's what superpower fixes Superpower sends a licensed professional to your home or you can visit a nearby lab. 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Head over to superpower dot com and use code basement for twenty dollars off your membership That's code basement. and after you sign up, they'll ask you how you heard about suuperpower to be a favor and if you could tell them the basement sent you Hel support the show You reach out to the BOI and you say, I want the list and they say We're going to charge it for it. What happened there I'd already written a few books So I was a printed author There's an exemption in FOYA. If I asked for documentation that they can get that they're supposed to put it together Well, right away, they refuse and they say, no, your books don't count I asked George, same thing. He says, No, that's yes He goes, they're just just screwing with you. He goes, it's probably going to get worse. He was right And then I said, okay, well, becauseuse some of your books are self published, but some are not. R. Some aren through publishers. R So you are a published author? Exactly And Just so people who under don't understand. I might as well clear this up right now. I could have all my books published A big publishing house if I wanted to. Oh yes, you could. Don't do that Don't do it.' do that Because you will get twelve per to eighteen percent of the book Now I don't make a lot of money off my books It doesn't take a whiz kid to go through the process and understand how to make your own book go through your own website and take a one hundred percent of those profits which is why they do it And I don't have the politics involved with a publishing house. I could say whatever I want in my books. Yeah, I I bet there's publishers reaching out every week in your email, like, hey, we can Get these out there. You you don't need any So I decide that I'm going to file a Freedom of Information Act using all the formalities that are right and correct and ask them for a list of missing people. for every park every park, their entire system. And six months later, they come back and they say, well, we don't have any lists of missing people. Six months? Six months We don't have any lists of missing people And we've already looked and spoke to the management. And if you wanted us to go out and gather that information, we will not acknowledge your exemption if you wanted to pay for it If you want to list from all of the park system, it would be one point four million dollars And if you wanted it just from Yosemite National Park, That would be thirty four thousand dollars And that's to justify what the work involved in compiling that list that they have So I was on coast to coast. I think I was on Noris show and I talked about this and within a days I get a special agent from the Park Service of calls And he said, Dave They are trying to screw you Let me explain how this works Each one of our regional offices, this has so many special agents, right? Every special agent has a handful of missing person case files in their desk Here's what it would take, Dave Each one of those special agents Maybe it takes them ten minutes too type on a computer, each one of the four or five files, name, date, location, case number And this is out of the six districts Six districts. Each special agents five Do does that And then in each office, they send that list to their special agent in charge in that office. They cut and paste that on an Excel spreadsheet Dave, maybe we're talking an hour and a half, two hours max Each one of those special agents in the six jurisdictions sends that to the front office. And how long is it going to take them to cut and paste Dave, they are absolutely screwing you That's how I found out about this and If they have the list anyway. This is all just words. They have it anyway. Because we know for a fact they keep track of who dies in the parks They've been doing that since eighteen ninety seven. They know every number, but they don't track P peers? No, I don't buy it They have lists of how much toilet paper is in Yosemite National Park.ure on an inventory list. They have a list on their website of every movie that was made in a national park And George Kpp said one day, Dave They were absolutely lying They have the list, they don't want you to have it. So you compiled your own list of Yosemite Oh yeah, that really got me mad. Yeah. So for the next year and a half, I just did nothing but focus on Yosemite wrrote a couple of different books that included Yosemite cases.. And guess what happened They released a list of missing people from Yosemite Son of a gun And What that told me though? And how close to that list to your list was their?. They missed a couple of really old cases that they probably don't want to even acknowledge But you had everything ye But it also told me that I miss in a lot of cases from the other parks, obviously. of course 'causeuse you can't do two years per. It is Yosemite the I don't want to say dangerous,' not right word. but what park swallows the most numberber of people is it Yosemite? Yosemite. Yeah aza in looking at Olympia, I think it iss Olympia National Park, right? Olympic. Olympic I think they're up to something like five hundred deaths So if Yosemite' bigger A lot of people have died in that Oh yeah. Well how long was your list of missing people from Yosemite? It was longer than theirs. I think it was approaching seventy, eighty Now you never really speculate on what you think is happening with these people So there was a case I wrote this is how confusing it gets. There was a woman that disappeared in Yosemite And a National Park Service Ranger took the report And It was obvious that she was up on a hillside or on a cliff And Her body was found in a position at the bottom that the wording used by the park serervice was She was launched. Meaning she didn't fall. She was launched Now, what they thought how she was launched was never made clear, but that was in their report. And it wasn't a missing person case. that's just a death case. R So you can get that And when I looked at that, it was never made clear how she ended up so far from the base of the cliff Nobody ever said anything about it. It was just suspicious And they're not going to speculate in the case filed. No They probably wish they never wrote launched. Is that a file that the public can get to or no Maybe we'll link to it Um Well, since your latest your latest film is amazing I wased it a few nights ago Washington. Um for it was for one W Washington, That's what we're calling it. Missing four hundred eleven, Washington State In National Park. So good Hollywood sllick I hope you're proud of it. You should be Um I want to talk about a couple of cases in the movie Some of them are really interesting. Jacob Gray. One it's very touching, but a few cases are great Dumb That area Everything in your film is focused drive mount right here Very interesting history. So maybe you or together, we can go back to Dcember tenth, nineteen forty six Marine Corps transport planes Walk us through that story Ever noticice how every nicotine option makes you choose between? Looking dumb, smelling bad O carrying around some weird gadget that needs charging every four hours, there's got to be a better way That's why people are switching to Kicknacks, myself included. Knicknacks are fully dissolvable nicotine lozenges packed with real essential oils for real flavor. They come in both three and six milligram strengths and nine delicious flavors. 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A couple of the planes landed A couple of them detoured went to other locations One of the planes never made it and was lost They didn't know where it was. They didn't have a clue And from the date that it went missing until the date that they could even start searching was weeks because the weather stayed so bad. U there were rumors that Maybe it landed in the ocean. There were rumors that Maybe it went into Idaho They were really lost And Sime after that, a couple of months Busmans leave in Idaho. And he's flying in to do business in Washington Ken Arnold. And as There was a reward for finding the transport So Arnold is flying up and he says, Hey, I'm just gonna fly by rain here because there were some rumors that maybe it crashed there So as he's approaching Rainier from Baker He sees these Three, four, five. Odd looking things fly by ' them Arnold is a super smart man And he times When he sees these things going by two points. He goes by and does the math And it's It's going at speeds that we have nothing in the world that goes that fast. And he described him and they don't really They don't look like a common disk UFO. they look unusual Alm Almost like some planes that we have now. Yeah, they kind of look like a delta wing, P you seeing these pictures. Yeah and, uh, Eventually Land tells the story. And that was really the start of the modern day UFO era. Right there Because Ken described it as moving like it was a saucer skipping across water. Correct. So it was flying saucers and that's how it was coined. Exactly And then I'll start with right here He didn't find anything peopleeople eventually did, right? We know where that transport is now and the bodies but you can't get to them Youre hittit a soft spot with me. That's okay. They walked there U some national parks people walked in on it and they confirmed that It had crashed there And then we brought in some other researchers And something odd happened there Why that plane crashed on that mountain is a million dollar question It's located very high up on a glacier And the glacier moves. So why hasn't that plane moved over the decades further down? That's one of the questions The other question is is that One of the researchers we brought in, Dave Oh far from the plane He found a propeller using Google Earth And talking to experts, that propeller can't get there if the plane hit the glacier straight on. at that location It's almost like there had to be a mid air event with something for that propeller to land up so far away because you've got debris field I think there's almost three debris fields because didn't Dave also find a flagage at some point? Yes 'use you make a good point about the glacier That's one of the fastest moving glaciers in the country. So every five thousand hundred years things are moving around. those bodies of those servicemen are in there. they'll surface, they'll go back under And we can't get up there to do anything about that Well, when we were doing the film, the crew and I we would talk about what happened to no man left behind? Right It's thirty two men up there. Yeah And If they were able to hike in, why couldn't they hike? people out. or put them on sleds and bring them out. A lot of questions Do does it feel like a mid air collision to you I'm not the expert on that, but from the people I heard, it sure seems like it hit something hit it in the air You make a compelling case in the film There's a lot of stuff there I hadn't heard before. I hadn't seen any of that footage before. I thought that plane was just gone. I didn't know that it that you found it U But then I started to get angry like, well, if we if we can see it on Google Earth, we got to go in there or at least make an effort for those families because I agree no man left behind So Mount Rainier becomes the center of a lot of weird stuff Flying saucers start there You said you heard a little bit about the Morory Island incident That happened up there as well. This is a UFO flies over, drops slag on a fisherman And This is the first time we get the men in bllack appearing in Seattle And we've got a connection to CIA, JFK as a whole thing. But it all starts right here at Rain Nier. What is it about that place It's got all this weird stuff. I was B big fooot up there too, with their orbs So in our movie, American Saquatch, Man Myth or Monster We filmed There's there's footage in there at the base of Rainier of a woman that lives there They captured a Bfoot It appears it's coming in and out of a portal And she's had tracks up there. This is right at the base of the park I mean, probably within two miles And there's been a series of Bigfoot sidings up there over the years A lot of it related to orbs And other things, her footage was good and You know, I'm not a big foot I'm I'm on the fence I'm very skeptical of it because of all the hoaxing, but her footage was good And you did a great job in the film by the way of, and I said this to you before we went on the arirump, but I'll say now. that there's a there's a famous piece of footage that was filmed in IMAax from this Canadian company or whatever that shows it looks like a big fooot behind a bunch of caribou and you guys can find this online But Dave wententon got the original print. So when it shows up on the film, I know it's a hoax And I go, Oh no, Dave, don't fall for this But he got the original print and you can clearly see that it's would have a guy in a bike? Yeah, when you look at it under IMax With the big frames It's so much easier to see. You could see everything. It's really stunning. Yeah We were kind of wondering how the people were gonna to respond to that. How peopleople were gonna to get mad I think it's been all positive. I haven't heard anyone really come back and attack us about it. I mean, people are still out there saying it's real Really? Yeah They email me I don't know. I don't know you could after watching that It looks like a guy in a bike to me Definitely he's got a hat, He's got a backpack it's totally clear. Is Mount Rinier one of the clusters that you're seeing Oh yeah. It is for sure right here. It has so many I mean, we ran out of time on that film. It's one of the longer films I've ever made And covered a lot of cases there, but there're Near the end, we just kind of piled on and listed them. But they all kind of follow the same track. I mean, there's no scent trail by the dogs, there's no tracks found Uh, there's nobodyody There's no backpack. There's no anything And it replicates a se time after time after time And It' all around the mount. What I found stunning was how far apart like the last known sighting and then we find You haveal a tent And all this it's like so spread far apart A Quick question If the dollar keeps losing purchasing power and there's a pretty strong argument at will What's your retirement account actually worth in ten years? The stock market had a decent run last year Gold did better Silver did a lot better up over one hundred and twenty five percent in the past year alone Banks like Bank of America are now putting silver price targets at three hundred nine dollars an ounce go projections as high as six thousand three hundred dollars. Again, not a guarantee But not nothing either I vetted several companies before I'd put my name behind any of them Golden crest medals earned it Small team, direct service, no bait and switch pricing. When I had questions, I got straight answers That's the whole pitch. 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And he was a big surfer, swimmer, athlete And he went up to see his grandmother who lived in Port Angeles just outside the park And he was going to leave from there and eventually ride across country on a bike And then he wanted to tour the park That is kind of leisure Well, one morning he gets up real early, doesn't tell anybody just goes to take off and goes into the park. And he He writes in Nobody knows exactly why pretty far into the park and he leaves his bike and disappears Park Service is notified His dad is a lot like me because if I had heard this, then it was my son, I would have been there within a day and his dad is there quick is a warrior. Oh yeah. He swam that river Oh yeah And Park Service tells his dad, Oh, your son's the bike's right next to a river your son's in the river And he goes, what you mean? And he goes, we kind of hiked the river and we saw some marks on the side of a rock and So Jacob's dad's thinking Hey, my son swims in forty eight to fifty four degree weather every day just about in Santa Cruz He lives through huge waves. He swims in ocean water If he's in that river, he's just to swim down a little bit and he's going to come out Yes And he's thinking, oh these guys are lying to me He says, Okaykay, I'll go in the river. and I'll go I'll follow it ten miles down and I'll search every nook and cranny, but I don't believe he's in that river. He goes, he's dead, he's in that river So the dad says, okay He gets a wetsuit, he goes in the river and for a couple days, he just swims it told me found some dead animals says No, my son's not in the ri I he never was in that river He goes, I don't know why they're lying to me Dave I knew he wasn't in L Rver Was this the case where they refused the helicopter They refused helicopters, drones. Why? Canines Because sometimes, I mean, frequently, they allow all that stuff. Wh D Jacob Nike get the same treatment So just later on in the film I Hed a case where a young lady disappeared about eight air miles from Jacob on a different river They had multiple helicopters, multiple drones, same park Same management But for Jacob, no, for her yes So Jacobsstad was at the premier And he never knew about this squirrel And he never knew Badly, he was screwed over by the park serervice And at the end, he K came gave me a bigug and goes, Dave, that was stellar. He goes Why is the park service lying like that? Why are they treating one case of a missing person one way and another. one hundred and eighty degrees different and applying different rules to different cases. I don't get it Make a long, long story short. Eventually Jacob is found. No, not in a river. Way, way up a mountain. up a mountain up a mountain and this is fif sixteen, eighteen miles away. yeah. Um, And trarail of clothes going to the top. And what I explained to his dad is that Number one Tarded him Why did his bkike stay here Why didn't he just keep riding the bike another four or five miles to the trailhead? Why did he leave it here And then at the top of the mountain, they said that there was a trail of clothes So if he was getting hypothermic All I had to do was hike down the mountain A lot warmer quick You know, he kept going up way above tree line Now, hypothermic people sometimes take off their clothes. That's a natural reaction, but they normally don't hike up a mountain twelve miles while they do that. No And Obviously, your body will tell you when you start getting cold A lot of really hypothermic cases, there's no choice Um You're confined, you're injured You're in a valley, there's no way out And you die that way every option in the world different So really what happened there? That's the real million dollar question And If they would have brought in a helicopter and searched O if they would have brought in a canine to hit that trailhead. What a sound him So I don't understand it. They don all' It was a touching part of the film. Didn't you give that bike shop owner a kindness award? Yeah So when Jacob was staying at his grandma's house. he took a ride one day and he was trying to fix up the bike for the trip across the US And he wrote into this man's Cycle res shop, small shop. And He was explaining to this man what he was trying to do in this This is an older Asian man Very kind person And he goes, Dave, I was listening to to what he needed and things and tell he didn't have a job and he was kind of working office savings and I said, Hey I want to take the journey with you So here you take these gloves They fit you good. you use those And then he put a new back tire on You go no You're going roll on my tire. And he goes, Well, what are I ow you? What I oe you? No, no, no, no this is on me So every one of my videos I talk about kindness And I said, You know, sometimes when you're at the store Clerks ringing you up Maybe she's having a really bad day or you go to the post office and You tend to take these people for advantage. Take advantage of them and don't think what they're doing for us every day Maybe smile, Hey, how's your day going? What have you been up to I talk about that every one of my videos. S talk about it all the time too Something about kindness It's not that hard Not that hard And what this man did for and was Unbelievable. When you really think about it He would have never known in a million years that he was going to be standing up in front of a thousand people with me giving him this sword U's crying Of course, but a nice moment And I don't know It was a sad it was a very sad sad encounter that The way it all ended, but You deserve that Thises it get hard on you sometimes just living in this world Every day. You deal with nothing but pain. Sometimes it does Sometimes it does Every once in a while, I run across a case like that one struck my heart It reminded me of my my son. and Yeah. I try not to Let it get to me. I try to keep it as impersonal as possible, but Every once in a while, these cases just Hit my core. I don't think you think you should be that impersonal, though Sometimes you really help these families just by talking to them. because it's like someone's finally listening. Oh, I get a lot, a lot of hate Hate mail Why are you doing this, you know? You're u making this publicity to just push your own podcast and you know, out of all the people I've ever talked to I've ever written about I've never had one person Get mad at me Don't read the comments. D't read donon't read it. Just keep doing what you're doing. It's working fine There's one case that's really fascinated me. I don't know if it's the same park. Gilbert Gilman. Yeah And I don't know how we tell the story to get all the information in But maybe I'll let you get started and I'll just I'll add some color But his is a very interesting case Gilman so we'll go two thousand five Thunderbird convertible pull into the park in exchange with a ranger. walks out to the park with his camera and that's set What about Gilber So Gilbert was in Army intelligence, spoke six languages, has a bronze star um, got into promoting people for political positions And he was pushing a woman that didn't win for Congress in Washington. She was appointed by the governor to be the head of the public retirement system in Washington to He was picked by her to be the assistant director super smart guy single live in Washington had just purchased this Thunderbird was real proud of pulls into the park, playing his music loud Ranger comes up says, Hey, you mind turn the music down? He goes, Well, do you least like it? That's what she said And she goes, No, I like it, but could you turn it down? Yeah He's wearing a Hawaiian shirt Bermuda shorts and flip flops camera around his neck gets out, walks into National Park busy area where he disappeared walked up the trail. That was it um, you're supposed to be at a meeting for the retirement system the following day The director reports a missing Big search Huge search talkal about that search because that's a big clue to me because get's nothing. Gilbert gets five thousand hours of federal search. All kinds of air everything, ground pounders. That's a big respse for just A pet for an assistant pension fund manager? Huge But I think everybody knew why he was getting that is because of the political tie ins that everyone had to this case. I don't think so. I think it's something else. You think so? Yeah, ' all right a little bit about the intelligence community, as my audience knows We got eighty second airborne Tw bronze stars expert Okay That's a feeder into a certain system. spepeaks all these languages His posts are at embassies. so that to me sounds like he's undercover with state Three of those languages he speaks are Arabic, Chinese, and Russian One of his posts is Mongolia. Why Mongolia? Because it's our only listening post that borders on land with Russia and China He's in Yemen He's an interrogator as a contractor in Iraq He's doing all this stuff. So that response to me sounds like that's a guy who knows things that we got to find out what happenens. Where'd he go Was he picked up by agents? was Do something nefarious? Did he fake his death? So in hindsight, the Ranger believed that he purposely had the music loud so that he would be seen by a ranger and acknowledgeed that he was there That's interesting. That wasn't in the film That's a nice that's a nice note. Yeah And She thought Lustdig was her name. She thought it was odd the way he was dressed. That wouldn't be the way that you and I would go hiking, right He was he didn't wear hiking shoes, notothing. It just seemed odd Eespecially for a trained ranger. Yeah So H girlfriend who lives in East Coast flies out his mom lives on theast coast flies out Mom's in the nineties attack So they're out there, they're monitoring the search search goes on for week a half two weeks. They're not finding anything. They put divers in the water It helicopters in the air everything you can imagine. They searched this house hoping them to find some clue, nothing. So who searched his house The special agent from the park Service with the parents went to the house So as the Mom's Walsy really. She had a penthouse apartment in Chicago that he stayed at occasionally and had a room there. And they lived on Park Avenue in New York. That's where she lived. as they're There park and this is going on. She gets a call from the management team in Chicago same U ms Gilman just to let you know a couple of FBI agents were here today and They needed to get into your apartment We get some things And we let them in and they left with some things Tell me a story. Thisays, Mr. Gilm They can't do that us now They said, No, they ought to have a search warrant And number one, Your management team has no right to let that mean? Nope Oh really? just a nice and innocent lady. I said, no no And she goes, Well, I said, did you figure out what they took Yeah Gilbert, the last time he was there, wrote on a yellow tablet in Arabic 'cause I don't know what I wrote, but I kept it there. And then there were two books that he asked me to get for him that werere on his nightstand goes, Dave I always thought that that was a clue to all this I said, Cue She goes, Yeahah . So before I interviewed Mrs. Gilman, I interviewed the girlfriend who had seen Gilbert about a month before he disappeared And we start talking, and I said, well Did he have any ties to the CIA And it goes I don't think I could talk about that said, what do you mean? you can't talk about that You're under you're not under a nondisclosure. you're not under a secretcyath. You can talk about anything She just She said that about a week before he disappeared, he had called her And she said, I was in the middle of something and I just couldn't talk and I had to break away And he goes, but and she said, you know, I always thought that he was trying gonna tell me something But I had to go, and I feel really bad about that. and she was upset. So then I go on I talk to mrs. Gilman And in the end It's the feeling that probably a planned event. and that he went away for some type of governmental issue And it was all orchestrated by the government. So When I talked to others about this, I said, well I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer Why was I able to figure this out and the park Service didn't Whys he listed as a missing person on the park serervice if there's something else going on which we just exposed Why are they lying to the public I don't get Now If this happened once Okay, so be it I don't your ske you A agry How many times has the park been used as a point extricate someone from society put them into service someplace else And we don't know about it. No, but we know it happens There you go Does your gut say that he's out there somewhere Dep under to cover The question I really have is let's say the CIA needed him for some reason What's the need to extricate him from society and make him appear as a missing person versus just take them in and use them What's that? I don't get it And I don't under I've talked to other military people and they said Does make sense to us. No, it's a weird way to do that What do you think? whyy do you think he was trying to call attention to himself to make sure that he was seen to use the missing Innational park as cover His mother was more open about his intelligence work. Apparently they had a bit of a kind of a code. Yeah. Oh But his girlfriend man, she wouldn't say anything. She knows something. Oh yeah No, I was waiting for you to ask and you finally did I don't think I can talk about that. It's like, well, I knowt what that means The other pointed I'll make here and I don't care what we Gilbert watched this and At the end of the interview with his mom I said, you know There's a decent chance that Gilbert may see this someday. What do you want to tell him Please come home. an issue Someone. How could you do that to your mom How could anybody do that to their family I couldn't No, that's why I kind of lean away from that theory a little bit because I don't feel like he would do that You know, when someone's pulled out like that for a mission, it usually someone with a little bit of cleaner background Like no one left behind to ask questions You know, wealthy mom could be a pain If you maybe you know, that could be a pain You think he's out there I do. I hope you're right And I say that just because the mom feels that he is And so does girlfriend I think the girlfriend does. I never talk about this, but Probably my best friend in my whole life. was I'll say pre agency and in great shape And was he was working in Colombia, Bogota embassy and was not. He died of a brain aneurysm on a run when he was twenty five But We, meaning, we and the family couldn't get an autopsy See anything, the body came home in a welded stainless steel casket. No further I was flagging in my office It's all very strange. The State Department would not cooperate with the family at all So I continued to tell myself, paths out there at that All of that was just stage so we can do that work. But then again, it's you left a lot of us hurting But if something happens. Pat had called me two days earlier and he said, if something happens to me, You got to come get me I was just still of tape What else was happening in Washington I didn't realize that DeeB Cooper landed out there as well What' just about granite So when you really get in and get into the minutia about granite, it's an interesting mineral And It has a lot of properties that don't exist in other rocks and minerals and just to get to the core of it Where is the most granite In our world Yosemite And when I say that granite's involved in a lot of the disappearances and water is, well what goes through the middle of that big huge granite field in Yosemite Mered River. What are some of the properties of granite that are interesting U It's conductivity It creates electricity. Yeah, use'er electricity. Yeah, especially with the river. Yeah, magnetic field of weird stuff a lot. And I didn't know that when I first started, people a lot smarter than me write to me and say, Hey, Dave, you're onto something here. and Pay attention to this and Not just Yosemite, but when you get up higher in altitude above tree line In a lot of these places where people disappear, there's a lot of granite boulders So When you hear I've heard about this more than once Orbs are seen in Yosemite a lot. And where do orbs tend to go right into the rock? That's a hard thing to wrap your head around. If there's something inside that orb going into that rock, how does that happen? They see it at Riner, they see it at Chasta, it goes right into the side of the rock one hundred percent Like the rock doesn't open. No, it's just How does that happen? I think you captured orbs in your film During one of the shots unless you pull that footage But there was stuff in the sky during one of those shots, Maybe it was during the Flear test I don't know if you remember that from the film, but Your flare experts is amazing and that as you're shooting. There's stuff moving in the sky moving all around us I don't know if you remember. Oh yeah So that individual is used right now at Skinwalker Ranch on their series doing that research And he called me. He lives in Seattle call me and goes, Dave, I want to help you if you can if I could ever use you And he has a Far device that he developed himself that shows about ten times more than a normal fler would show and We set up O rain here six hours count how many things we saw flying in out of there and It's hard to It's hard to wrap your mind around busy it can be that And we're not even seeing it And we can't see it with the naked eye, right That's That's one of those claims that kind of connects to Bigfoot for me is When skeptics say, how does it how does it disappear Well, if something can somehow shift into ultraviolet or infrared You wouldn't see it But it's still there You just can't see it No, there was u There was research done in Pennsylvania Where? Bigfoot has been seen there so many times And one of the times Big foot scene holding an orb in its hand What Yes. And This was in the proximity of where a UFO was seen hovering above other Bigfoot So that association between orbs, bigigfoot and UFOs is almost like a weekly occurrence out there in parts of Pennsylvania sounds like that story from earlier where the orb comes down and the creatures come out. Exactly If you go back to the native legends because you with the Hoopa Are the Orbs part of those stories too? Yes Be if you really think about that story on the California Oregon bord That glowing moon could be an org by the definition We just don't know Yeah the tribe around Shasta. They are forbidden to go above the tre line because that's the home of the sky people You ever seen Vanished Yes. So that's owned by the History channel. You can watch it right now on Amazon for a couple bucks. So they hired me to do an hour and a half special about missing people. We went up onto Shasta And uh about some missing people And it's absolutely where that person went There's no crevices There's no place to go. And Hold on. now you're now you're getting me excited Do you remember any of those cases from Shasta is out because I have questions So the man that disappeared on Shasta, he was up there with a pilot from American Airlines and Another man that owned an import export business from San Francisco And they can't H name was Carl And they'd camped on the side of Shasta. He didn't feel good that night. And they were putting the camp together. and they said, Hey, Carl, you take off ahead of us And we'll follow you up. This is the Carl Landers case. Carl Landers Yes. And he's going up and they said, yeah, we saw him climbing up. And then you hit a position where a ranger checks you in before you go up. Well, the ranger wasn't there that day And They don't know. There was some thinking that somebody saw him making that final jump to the summit Others said they hadn't seen him So Long story short The head of Search and Rescue for the state of California took over that search. up in that area And they put a Cbra helicopter at the summit over fourteen thousand feet and dropped searchers and had them come down like a spider web on the mountain They did that three times And That search officials said Dave. He's not on it You may be in it But he's not on it He's either up there or he's in there, but he's not on there And he goes, I guarantee he's not on There's no place to go I mean, H landers disappeared basically in plain sight with good visibility in front of two Companions, one hundred percent And he was and he was trained hiker hundred percent Good shape, goodood shape. sixty nine years old. Yep Yeah Yeah still still nothing on him Very, very few options on there very few options about what could have happened and the searcher He said, Dave. andm baff I have no idea Did you ever pull his report is case Well, there's the way act. So I got unlimited access to the head searcher and He was as transparent as you could be. So he would have been the one writing him And so that would have been a state issue, not federal. state isn't covered by FOA. Only Feds right So I never even tried. but Anytime I wanted to contact him, I could have So that was a long time ago, but just last year Um I don't know if you looked into the Lesnar Cardinas case driving, he flips his car. calls for help Um Pleice respond, he's not there Apparently hitches a ride home Git grabs his hiking gear, goes to a trailhead and Chasta and just says that's it And that's the last we've heard of Gardinus In't heard that. There is another case on Chesta within the last year involving a younger man like in his twenties, D justppred on the mountain too I did a video about it and just nothing. notothing. When a case comes across your desk, what makes it a four hundred and one case and what makes it not fit those profile points Tracking dogs can't find us scent prorofessional trackers can't find tracks. point of separation, you and I are hiking together. Hey, you go that way, I'll go this way and something happens to one of us happens all the time U, a weather event either when the person disappears or when search and rescue starts Uh, granite. Um, If the person is found nine times out of ten, they have memory loss and they don't remember how they got lost got lost or disappeared U those cases are wild because that's they are What was that one case where the guy heard the bagpipes? Do you remember that one Oh yeah, that was an Olympic case Olympic National Park. You want to tell that one real could heappared twice didn't he So he gets dropped off by a girlfriend and he's going hike Olympic And spends a few days, gets lost And He's just camping out Wakes up one day and he's looking for I think something to drink or something to And he hears bagpipes And he kept walking towards those bagpipes. There's a search and rescue team on the mountain looking for somebody else Th bagpipes drrug that man. and led him right into the middle of that search party's camp. idn't they say he was like dirty and crazy and thirsty? Correct Crazy is that And then what happens to him? he just Wanders off again. So I forgot who it was, but while he was missing, it was like a father in law or stepfather or that wasn't his direct father, but one of those people died. And there was there were some theory by some that Maybe those bagpipes had something to do with a father or father in law that died that led him to safety. Yeah That's a nice touch. Yeah I got to admit, it's pretty od. Yes I mean, if you're dying of thirst,' All kinds of crazy things you arere going to see in here. Oh, and no doubt, but to lead you to the middle of the search camp It's. Pretty remarkable That That's a great case All right We'll take quick a quick break, come back. We'll talk some more four and one and we'll get into some big foot So I've been asked to ask you about one shastter case And if you don't remember you don't that'sine. Do remember the grandma Kappy case? Oh yeah. You do? Okay, thank goodness It' such a weird story Very weird story that a boy gets lost U Then he tells a story that He gets taken down underground. And there's this woman She maybe been a robotic type woman because she admitted some kind of sparks and things And The thing that was very odd about it is that he was taken underground and for a little kid to come up with this story is just bizarre And the way you described this woman was bizarre I would have ignored it and not given it two cents except that for a little boy to come up with that story I don't know if it's poss The way he was found was weird. Yeah Um For you guys that don't know, this little boy is hanging out with his grandma, grandma Kappy and says, I like you better than the other grandma Kappy And mom says, what And he tells this story about being underground with someone who looks like his grandmother makes him defeicate on paper or something like that. It's too weird to make up Then Sge Rrest you can't find him. They search the whole area and then he just appears out of the brush for any he's fine and He's found in a location that was previously searched. Yes which is one of our profile points And I wish I could have interviewed The child One on one, but we didn't get that option So we have to just kind of listen to what his grandmother said It's one of a kind. I've never heard of anything similar to that. No, it's a really weird one And u I think his grandmother was camping there once and woke up puncture wounds. I don't know if you remember that part of the story, which was corroborated by a friend of hers and they thought it was spider bites or something Yeah But I think I think it sounds like DNA extraction for the for the Androids. I don't do there That's a great story It is. It's a wild one. stock's big foot So you know I don't like Bigfoot. I don't I don't like it. Well, then why are we talking about it? Be Becauseuse if I don't, I'll get in trouble When I say don't like it, that's not what I mean. I want I want all these stories to be real. I approach them with as a hopeful skeptic like Bigfoot, I want it to be real, but there's so much noise I don't know what to believe. So in my mini dooc, I debunked pretty much everything except Pattererson givei him them film, I couldn't debun it and the u The Freeman video I couldn't debuk that Is there any other video So when I go to a conference I'm going to give you a list of things to think about And this is what This is how I started and I start off talking about a man named Ron Moohead We had the Sierra camp And It was a camp with hunters that went to it for decades And they had these encounters at the camp with probably was a big fooot And he actually brought a recorder up and recorded the sounds that this thing made in camp He then turned the recordings over to a University of Wyoming professor Uh and Rodney Kerlin University of Wyoming And he said that these were not digitalized They were not be recorded They were a lower frequency than what humans could prodrouce They're very unsettling. They're creepy. They're creepy Mm Then they were turned over to a man named Scott Nelson, twenty five years Navy crypto linguist specialist, three time Navy postgraduate school He identified it as perfect language We just don't know what they were saying, but he said, that is language Study and play! Come together on a Windows eleven PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds. Get the unreal college deal, everything you need to study and play with select Windows eleven PCs. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft three hundred sixty five Pmium and a year of Xbox GamePass Ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller. Learn more at windows dot com slash student offer Law supppplies last ends june thirtieth turns at aka. mS slash college PC There's a show called Expedition Bigfoot seeason four episode five. They hung microphones out there And they reced some things. They turned that over to a professor of linguistics, Dr. Ron Cosper He stated those sounded like hominid Meaning they were articulated in the mouth Asked by a producer if you thought Big Foot produced language, Dr. Cosper said yes And he said Cosper stated that there's reports of Yetis using language Season three episode nine. interviewed with Hank Bernard, a native elder. He stated that they are a tribe of people They can bend light around them Mariah Mayer, a good friend of mine, by the way, she and I did a cruise together. She said, somethingomet ran right by me, but I couldn't see it We didn't walk through any of this It's like she walk through a portal,id didn't recognize anything. somethingomething runs right by her She says she doesn't see it Dr. Rob Alli wrote a book called Rain Coast Sasquatch, onene of the best books out there about Bigfoot. and he had Multiple, multiple reports of Bigfoot swimming amongst the inner islands swimming, swimming amongst the inner islands in Alaska This was a common occurrence in Alaska Now Apes and gorillas don't like to swim Big fooot likes to swim And Apes and gorillas can't make language. they don't obbviously not Right. They don't have the anatomy No. So I'm gonna to get to that. Okay. don' jp ahead. Sorry, S. don want to step the punchline So in our movie American Sasquatch ol Keller, the chief investigator at Skinwalker Ranch where they alert where they saw this peed of What it look like a portal. six foot tall, four hundred pounds. NASA website twenty fifteen said portals are real Jonathan Dover. What did NASA set in twenty says portals are real? Portals are real. It's on their website Okay. Jonathan Dover G you her name Another guy you would really like. He's a former Navajo Ranger He's thirty years in law enforcement, graduated from the federal law enforcement schoolchool. Super smart man He's Navajo As a ranger, they were like the fis and game for the Navajo tribe. He gets called into his chief's office one day after twenty years And he and his partner get called and said, Hey You're my new big fooot and UFO expert We've had too many of these, you're going to go investigate and you're going to be the expert. He goes, Hey, I don't have any interest in this. He goes, I don't care. You're going to go do it Jonathan went out and for ten years did nothing but investigate Bigfoot and UFOs He said, Dave, I can't tell you the number of times I walked and followed a path of tracks that ended in the middle of nowhere. suddenly stopp U DNA studies When I was working for the technology people One of the things they wanted was DNA So for I went on coast to coast. who wanted DNA the the people that paid me to go out and do the research. Oh, they wanted you to collect DNA. Yeah, not yours. Okay. Yeah No they didre not get mine. mine either. twenty three of me, no, thank you So we went on coast to coast And we got fourteen states different. specimens to Canadian provinces. When the people set in hair, we need the follicle for the DNA So when they send in the hair, at first we send it to a hair and fiber expert A lot of people don't understand this, but There's people in the FBI and people on the outside that look at herir and fiber every day and use it for criminal prosecutions. Everybody's hair looks different I mean, human to ape, to gorilla, to deer to elk, everyveryone is different Bigfot hair doesn't look like anything else in the planet. Now how do you know his big foot ha If I see If I'm a witness And I see the Bigfoot walk over to and this is exactly how it happened They walk over to a shed on the property. This is in Hoopa And they lean over this shed And they're going through the big plastic bags in The shed They pick out two bags They pull back over the shed. At the point where they're pulling back over, right at the corner, it pulled out hair. It pulled out hair. One of our guys went out there Cumulated the hair The hair was sent to a hair and fiber expert. It's nothing that's ever been identified on the planet. This is replicated time after time. but When you look at it under a microscope, It looks like it has scales on the hair. It's very unique looking I could teach you AJ in ten minutes how to be a hair and fiber expert and identify Big foot ha. Looks like nothing else These hundred plus samples that we had of just hair. They all look just like that They're like nothing else on the planet can't be mistaken So you have the follicle, you can get the DNA, but you can only get mitochondrial DNA, meaning from the maternal side from her. But we also in our specimen analysis and collection blood, saliva, tissue. Let me help them understand. so it's hard to collect fraternal DNA because that only occurs in the nucleus and it degrades very, very quickly. Mitochondria DNA It's all over the cells. There's two thousand in every cell and it's very hardy So easy to collect the maternal side, fraternal Almost impossible So we did get saliva, blood Fingernail and tissue I didn't know you had all of that. because I'm very aware of The Sykes DNA study in Oxford all Fllow all of that stuff and I lean toward Sykes's I didn't know you had blood and saliva tissue We're not sexist. Th hundred and fifteen samples from all over North America, okay So on Ssykes, do you know that Dr. Mldram sent Sykes B big foot here. I didn't know he did. He did. I think he just passed, didnn't he? He did That's a shame So Dr. Melldrum and I did two different cruises together and where the speakers on the cruise I asked him that. I said, Did you send Sykes Hir? He goes, Yeah Th go, what did Pykes do with it You told me, Dave that it was bare That's what's in the study. It's American black bear. So me tell you flat out,'s a lie. That's what Melgen said Meljram, so first of all Dror Melgiam smmart guy And he's a tenured professor I could teach you in ten minutes to identify Bigfoot hair You mean to tell me that you're trying to tell me that Mldrom sent and mistook black bear hair for Bigfoot possible. You can't do that belieelve it. Sykes took all of the DNA samples and never veted them through a hair and fiber expert just went straight to DNA He's a geneticist, that's what he does. But wait a minute That's idiotic Do you know how much that one sample probably cost him to do at that point Tens of thousands of dollars Why would you do that That makes no sense. That's why I don't believe anything he did Fair enough I wanted your reaction. Okay so let's go on. So we have non human hair. yielding human mitochondrial DNA non human heir yielding mitochondrial human DNA Now that on the maternal side comes back to twelve thousand years into the Middle East. Now we got nuclear DNA But when we passed it through GenBank, the World Receptacle for DNA, three hundred fifty two billion base pairs when we did it, It had never been categorized in Gen Bank. didn't exist Now when the movie came out and we interviewed other experts in other arenas. There were experts doing DNA studies on the elongated skulls. Do you know that they couldn't get DNA nuclear DNA on those skulls either They can get mitochondrial DNA. Yes But if you take a contaminated sample and run it through test like Powerplelex, you're going to get mitochondrial DNA perfectly and you're going to get saternal DNA that doesn't match anything because it's It's called an amplification error That's what you would actually expect So that's exactly what the press tried to push on the public. We used There's only like ten of these in the world at the time The Louisiana Crime Lab completely automated system extracts, analyzes, computes, does everything And that came back and said, It gave us what was called a Q thirty score. That's like a score about how accurate their measurements are. It was in the stratosphere for accuracy. Th then the press came back and said, Well The reason it says human, They're still thinking it's ap and gorilla, right? Right The reason it's human is because it's contaminated. They never said this in front of me But I'll say it in front of you If my DNA contaminated those things, It's going to show I am Greek and Russian. It's not going to show Middle East And on the mail site, it's going to show Greek. It's not going to show nothing nuclear That's impossible for one of us humans to contaminate it. The problem was is that there was nobody educated counter ludicrous things that were being said Now Let's keep going here. This is important There's only one country in the world, AJ committed their funds to studying the topic. Do you know who it is Russians. The Russians spent millions They got their best scientists in the world to study it. You know what the conclusion they came to? What? uman One of their researchers came here to a conference in Colorado And I was invited to it. I walked into the back room at the conference and they're holding my two books And he said, Dave, you're the only one that's told the truth Everyone else is lying. We know what the truth is because we've done it in Russia. Now you're finally telling the truth here. Did the Russians get the nuclear DNA They got exactly what I had found But you see, they believed that it actually bred with a human And they were trying to at that time extract the DNA from uh bones that were buried like fifty seventy years ago And they were having a difficult time with it. They said, we know you're right, Dave. from the country that did it. 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They called it the Silatic tribe They said that they're covered with hair. I know in the dri bear and bird language they have, they imitate anything in the woods, They have supernatural powers They can kill game with hypnotism. Other tribes that Qilum, Lumi, and the Qinalult have traded with them. I heard this that they traded with them. they had a relationship with the correct. I've heard it. and I want to be there, man. They said that there' another tribe O us B by the way the articles in there. The blow is articles in that book. I see a very famous giant skeletons article right on the back of the book I watched one of your videos. it might have been just a few days ago where you were covering some of the sort of connect the first time I saw anyone connect the giants legend, to possibly being bigfoot Well, and you were very Cautious becausecause you didn't attack the Smithsonian like I do Oh a house. house. good U, But I thought it was an interesting theory because we've got All these stories, articles in press, bones being found, being shipped to Smithsonian, giant All these native legends. Here are the bones. you've got you've got the woman from the Lovevelock tribe wearing the orange hair I mean, that the hair is there Well I wonder if we can test that. So the truth is is that Every time that those giant bones have been found, It goes to an institution, mainly the Smithsonian And Bingo, it's gone Why is it gone Now I'm not saying that all of those giant bones were bigfot But I find it suspicious that all of those Specimens are gone B Now, they will argue that that it's sensationalism and all of that. And that's fine. I will give you I'll give you ninety five percent of it But we have records from the Smithsonian acknowledging receipt. large bones inside a large coffin as well. So like a giant osuary, we have their receipts What do you mean don't have it Well, what doesn't make sense to me is when they said, well trying to pe this or something? No, no, the articles were written at the time the bones were found Heype. It wasn't just a normal newspaper trying to show the trail of where it went And there's so many articles. Oh, absolutely No, absolutely Okay, so that nineteen twenty four article Subsequent to that, I found several others that also talked about similar occurrences with that tribe, the Cylitics Then we bring in Harvey Pratt, brings witnesses R us Much more human looking face than anything related to an Aper gorilla Now here's the part you won't hear at other conferences Apes and gorillas nameamely gigantipithecus Let's talk about that They don't have large breasts all year all the time Only humans have that No wild ape or gorilla haare has ever been found in the wilds of North America. All these specimens that have been found We know what gigantopithecus DNA looks like Paranthropist DNA. We know what their hair would look like We also know they didn't walk upright Absolutely. They did. They were knuckle walkers. That's right That DNA has never been found here Apes and gorillas do not like water to swim in There's not one shad of evidence gigantipithecus or Paranthropus has ever been in North America No hair, no bones, no sightings No evidence just like you said that they walked upright. Gigantopitheccus went extinct two million years ago, and they say it was here just because of a piece of a jawbone and a few teeth, and that's it So when people say, Bigfoot is Gigantitheus, Paranthropist, ape gorilla There's not one shred of evidence to prove that. Think Mter and I'm not saying that With no facts or evidence, that's one hundred percent fact Yet we do have hair that doesn't match anything else in the world that was seen by people big fot going from A to B, we recover, we do the DNA evidence is there. You still have samples sitting around Samples of of hair, tissue. They could be tested more supervision I know you don't like the Syches test. That's fair He was very specific So when I first got the samples and was looking for the DNA, you know where I went first You see Davis. I lived in California. Sure I mean that One of the best scientific centers in the world Sure what they told me They said, Hey, we don't want anything to do with Bigfoot. Why not I don't know. I got that from universities time after time after time. it was something that They didn't want to touch So Do you know what BFRO is? I do Okay. So they're the big rearch organization. Yeah, bigiggest big fooot research organization in the world. great database So there was a man named Wally Herscham Wally was the main benefactor to BFR Oens and gave them hundredundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars over the years. with one edict DNA. If you ask them, they never got any DNA Again, AJ, I'm going to say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer But I was able to get DNA. Scott Cpenter and I got DNA from Great Smokey Mountain National Park And then we got DNA when we went on coast to coast Why didn't they do that So Wally When they when he heard we've got it He joined our study He actually helped finance some of the DNA work Once that DNA was done He said, you guys did an excellent job. I know what you did is one hundred percent accurate You've answered all my questions in the Bigfoot world I'm done And he dropped out 't he died not too long ago. He's a really good guy, and he was trying to just get to the fact of what it was She says, I know now He knows. He knows wonder what happens to Mldram's work and all of his everything he has. It went to Cliff Barackman. I did? Yeah Is it safe there Cliff Cliff's a good gu I think that field is going is going to is going to miss Jeffrey Melldgrram I mean, they tried to have him untenured and it didn't take Like he's He was one of the nice did you ever getget to meet him? No One of the nicest people you would ever meet I mean, we were We didn't agree on anything in the bigig fooot world, but We could sit around and talk. He seemed very sincere. What did you disagree with him on he thought it was an ape gorilla based panthropus, gigantopithecus. I didn't know that he' felt that way. Oh, yeah U yeah, he was very valuable to the field because He's so credible He broke down so many doors and he had people listen that wouldn't normally listen. I would think thered be more public support for for the research There's a lot of people out there that Do it as a hobby Um personally believe that there have been Organizations within the last three years that have done DNA studies believe it was an Aper gorill that did the study find out what it was. They never talked about it again Hear that from the Smithsonian Over your research going back fifteen years, I feel like you've moved from or closer toward the interdimensional om orbs side of this story. haveave you Oh definitely. So what do you think is going on there Be it I think could All UFO. people in the community researchers I'll say we were moving toward some type of spiritual manifestation. Orbs are more frequent now So I've been a Mufon investigator for Sventeen years. I't know that I don't actively do anyw work. I'm too too busy doing my own things But I do have access to all their literature and research And did you know that many of Ds have seen a big fooot creature on a craft. I've heard that What do you make of that Yeah, all the missing time, all that Now what is the quantum argument Be I like quantum physics You know, like you like hockey Oh yeah phhysics Yeah and is big for connector Wh the mechanics So How something can be in two places at the same time entntangled. R. So one of the things that has happened to the researchers at Skinwalker Ranch They don't talk about it a lot, but they have gone public with it the hitchhiker effect Have you heard about this it The phenomenon follows you. It follows you And You can go home with you and Nine times out of ten, it never bothers the researcher, but it will go after the family. friendriends, And it's almost It's almost as though it wants to scare them surprise them at some level Um, A lot of Poltergeist reports like this. Yeah Exactly. and And we're talking about world class physicists that have had this happen to us So It's real That happens at the ranch when they're dealing with UFO issues. It's happened fairly regularly Bigfoot researchers Hitchhiker effect. Oh yes. No kidding. Oh yes When you get down to the bare basics with these guys, Everyone in the movie would admit it that was in my movie. It's all happened to them Um It's happened to me twice What happened to you So I was doing the research in California move to Colorado And I was living in the foothills outside of Morrison, Colorado K in a rural area came out to my car one day And there in kind of the muddy soil right at my car was bout a sixteen inch track. pererfect this one And it was at a place I couldn't miss it It was wr Stopped everything I searched for like three hundred yards in every direction. not another truck You take a picture I should have, but I didn't. Nobody ever takes it takes a picture Red. I moved to Montana And at the time I was living with Another lady And I have I have a forest all around me And she went for a hike When she text me, she says, you need to come out here right now P grab my gun Running back there Be look, Dave And they're on the side of the trail fififteen, sixteen inch track, perfect justust like my house in Colorado And she goes, what do you make of that? I says, Well, let's look. So we spent an hour looking couldn't find any other trap So then we turn around St start walking back home. and I have to go over this little knoll on the trail. And I swear to you on my anyone's life As we go up over the trail. laying right in the middle of the trail. is a deer leg Wow. perfect right in the middle of the trail. But no deer, just the leg. J the leg It was placed there. So we wouldn't miss it And she goes Oh they're here, Dave. I go Oh yeah. That's your bowling ball in the creek moment. Yeah you go. Let's go home. Yeah. So And things like that have happened to us before Uh, we were in Colorado when I was living there. and when there was a trail, we always likeked to hike up in Northern Colorado. And it snowed like six inches that morning and we were going to take the hike anyhow And we're out about a mile and a half and in fresh Perfect snow Starting on the hillside to our left crossing the trail in front of us and stopping like five feet on this side Perfect. pererfect set of tracks stops, starts right there where you can see and stops right there where you can see That happens all the time. Now the reason I'm leading you on this Is that These arent these creatures there leaving one track There's something else going on And I think it has to do with being in multipi places at the same time and being able to leverage that to send us messages. Messages, I don't know what it means O than, hey, we're here, we're keeping track to you. I don't know. This is like part of the trickster legend where they leave you just enough to let you know that we're here, but not enough to prove it I don't believe that because I think that they cooperated with Scott and I purposeullly left their DNA for us. left their hair. left their tracks How intelligent do you get the sense they are Way smarter than us. Really? Way smarter. Yes. So why dig through garbage for food Why don't open it But Denny's B Big for Denny's would be a good idea those are the parts I can't square You know, if they're hyper intelligent, why Why pluck a chicken What what's n intelligent about that? I guess that's how we're gonna eat it. That's how we do it. Yeah, we're gonna eat it Yeah, so there's just parts of the story I can't square, but there are parts that I can't I can't disprove. So one of the things I've talked about in my channel before I was at a conference and somebody asked me to go to lunch and they were super smart. So I said, okay, I'll go. And They said, Dave, I got a theory for you You know, this one really made me think Dave You've heard of that theory that We're in simulation Let guard down for a second and think we really are in a simulation I think we are and Whoever's playing this game with us They earn a certain amount of points And once again enough points They can put a bigigfoot down and see how you humans down there will react to it. I love this theory Be that's what you do If you're playing Sim City or whatever if you earn the big fooot Bonus Let's drop a track . Wouldn't you? Yeah send Godzilla, whatever. Yeah And then he said And then on that other side We have this ant farm next to us And Eth is the ant farm And every once in a while, the homebodyody twenty planets away need some fresh DNA and they pluck some out I've heard that before What can you say It's unfalsifiable. Its it's a great theory I lean toward simulation theory Speaking of science and physics You brought in a couple of Are the missing scientists, right? Yeah, whichich is they're in the news and We've got four men here They're all German scientists, right? Yes, sir What happened to these guys So here's the intriguing partark behind this. First of all, I came up with this on my own aboutbout four or five years ago Three out of the four are from Germany. The young man on the far left He got a special scholarship because of his brilliance Fulbright schcholar to come to the states and study grraduate level physics, he disappeared in Olympic National Park january twentieth, nineteen ninety two He was a genius Uncovered windows can make your home feel up to twenty degrees higher. Stay cool and save up to forty five percent off custom window treatments during the fourourth of July VIP access sale at blinds. com From outdoor shades to room darkening blinds, finding the perfect fit is easy. Get free samples, expert design help, and professional measure and install services, or DIY it with confidence and support every step of the way Shop up to forty five percent off sitewide right now during the fourourth of July VIP access sale at blinds. com Aliof crossed the second man was here for a physics conference in Los Angeles at Lake and he came went to Lake Arowhead for the conference He was a university professor of physics in Germany, sixty two years old went on a hike with some people. spponsored by the conference. As they go on the hike, there's like twenty people He starts to feel ill. This is something I talk about missing persons cases. you and I are out together sometimes One of us will get sick and say, hey, you go on, I'm going to wait here. That point of separation. He sits down There's a guy at the front of theack, a guide at the back, the guy at the The guy at the back also doesn't feel good So he Cross bothon't sit down Cross says I feel better he takes off and the other guy says, well, meet up Croft took off, never was found again and go gone Rich Reinard Kirchner He worked for a company called GSI Corporation. He's a physicist. who was studying heavy ion research. They had an accelerator where they bring in physicists from all over the world. He was here on vacation. He landed in Vancouver. rented a Cabova Camper drove down to the little Colorado River Gorge and went for a hike. He had been there the year before is by himself disappeared, never found again. Carl Dish missing May sixty five at the Bird Iice station in Antarctica. He was an ionospheric physicist. Originally from Wisconsin, working for Boulder Labs, the National Bureau of Standards He was walking between buildings there. An Antarctica? Antarctica during a storm and they have ropes that you hold ono He'd been there for a long time. He knew the gig Somehow or another, he got off off the rope and he disappeared Um, Now the interesting part about that, is that there were rumors and you could look this up. that there were lights in the skies scene And supposedly He called into the ice station years later and says, Hey, I'm alive, I'm someplace else or something We're really Now, that's not the only one Kirchner When he disappeared We're really in the middle of nowhere in the desert out there in the littleittle Colorado River Gorge There were some sheep herders that When he disappeared, they saw lights in the sky above his cab over camper And when the Arizona state police took over that key that case in the report They because I have it It says they saw lights in the skies and thought he was abducted by aliens. I've never seen anything like that. Wow. In a police report ever in my life. It's in the report So for what it is Now the We talk about linkage This is the only time I've ever seen confirmed linkage All of them were physicists All of them are German. What makes it not a coincidence ' they're so spread apart. How about this I can't find another physicist in the world that's missing other than those four That's that's a good answer And what do you make of the scientist controversy now Is it over Is it overhyped First of all, not all of them are scientists Several of them. One of them was a program manager, McClaslan. C And a couple of others were just peripheral support people I think the press is trying to find linkage when there is none Really? Really? I think so. I think a couple of them are real A couple of them are suicides. I'm with you and on most of that. You know, I tend to think the press is a tool of the state. U I think it's overhyped a little bit. I don't talk much about it because I think a couple of those scientists are We'd like to be left alone at the moment So I'm doing that It's very honorable of you U Well, because I've covered so many of these cases. peoplee working on advanced research that just they get suicidal, like home invasions mugged in front of their house You know, in broad daylight over and over and over again So Getting back to the German scientists here you don't mind me saying this, but on my YouTube channel, Canam Missing like Canadian American Canm missing proroject is mine Yeah, plug it Half a million followers Oh, what's going up Oh yeah. we're growing up So we talk about Germans disappeared and they disappear at more of a frequency the normal people Now why is that? I get a lot of people that talk about that And Some people say, oh, there's something about the German blood. There's something about Germans going back centuries that it's different I have no idea if any of that's true. But I'll throw it out there Well, they're they're the most common ethnic group in America or German descendants Could this be that thirty percent or so. Yeah But how do you account for On German physicists can't I can't And you know with Carl Dish, when you had me this earlier, I saw the date and I was like, oh, this is a Nazi scientist. And you said no, he's the only American on there. Yeah. That's rightight But German heritage Mhm So no trace of This h he he was out of Washington. There wass in a movie That case is in the movie. That's right. remember So no trace. No trace. And you got to, you know, I mean, that's thirty four, thirty five years ago, and still nothing's been found of his, which is Mhm So let's just Let's just think about that. What what's the consistency They were by themselves They were in a very, very remote area when they disappeared odd is that that those guys would be in that space at that time and disappear consonsidering who they are. I mean, none of them made a living being in that remote space The The two guys in the middle won a professor in Germany, one a physicist at a big corporation in Germany And they're here and it happens here Yeah, it it's weird, you know, with a lot of your cases, they're experienced hikers, but there's so many cases where it's like these men have Never go out for a hike and suddenly you do So Kirchner was, it had been said that he was a hiker and that he had gone to this little Colorado Ririver Gorge before Now when he disappeared There were some U.S. fish and wildlife people actually down in the water in the gorge doing some studies said they never saw anybody come down there. So if he didn't go down in the gorge Where did he go Have you tried to get these cases yet I do have Kschher's case.. I do. U Dish's case, I don't even know if there is a supp you know, a case because it was at Antarctica. Yeah U Tust he would be the L.A. County sheriffs. Bisert's case is National Park Service Are there any agencies that cooperate with you Do you have any Are there any good guys out there Oh yeah. I u I tell people that In most jurisdictions, the sheriffs are really, really good guys. And the reason for that We elect them Right pololice chiefs political appointees Sheriffs No, we got them into office. They usually respond They usually get Not everybody, but usually G good people The Bureau of the Interior is infamous for being litigious about its image and yet has not sued you I don't think they have issued a public statement about you. Have they? I mean, they know who you are Not that I knowew of It's, you know, because it's very hard. for the skeptics it's like If he's lying, they could just The OI sus people U you were working with Um Timber Chet to try to get to Secretary of the Interior Congressman Verchette from Tennessee. Absolutely Salt to the Eth guy h he's he's actually in our movie And u He tells a bigfoot story. He's a big believer Um He was He had a fighter pilot tell him a story at the park right near where he lives A great Smokey National Park Fighter pilot's driving through the park and he says, It rock right in front of our car in front of my wife and I And Tim goes Stave This guy wouldn't even lie Never lie Um And you know, youll He's tried to help me before and trying to get through into the Department of the Interior. get to Bergham Who's ahead of it he knocks them down some doors got me to him. and they wouldn' wouldn't call me So you got to Broom No no, no,. I got to the Department of the Insurance. Yeah And then they stopp Rurn my calls So it doesn't matter what kind of administration is in power, it's always Stonewall, no matter who is in charge It feels like the UFO disclosure story. Doesn't matter who is in charge You get read into the program and suddenly I can't release the files This episode is brought to you by Fox One Watch all one hundred and four matches of the FIFA World Cup live in four K for just nineteenll ninety nine cents a month with three days free Build your own multi view, choose up to three streams, and follow players' spotlights. Stay on top of every moment with live stats, highlights, and instant replays. The FIFA World Cup, streaming live on Fox One, offers a subject to change seefoxot com for complete terms and conditions Is there a case that D that you still kind of think about Maybe a solvable, maybe bothers you Eris Stacy Ariston What is it about her case I've never seen them put up such a fight over any case like that Do you ever identify agent you? I know who he is, yeah. Oh, you do. ye. That's his real name. Yeah I mean it sounds Asian but he's white Oh, that's helpful, actually. Yeah And I haven't in touch with him since. Nope Did you file an appeal against that FOIA denial No Why not? I think there's a time to fight and there's a time to just go backwards a little bit. That's not your hill to die on. No. I was haven'ving I'm still having success getting other case files from other areas So rather than make a huge stink about that that maybe shuts down the whole system Yeah, let that let that dog lie for a little bit Something will come on that case in the future. That's smart You wantan to pick your favorors? Yeah Well before we get out of here Maybe it's a weird way to close, but I think it's important. addvice for people going out in the wilderness Great question. So u In fact, I'm going to do one in the next two weeks. Every spring, I do a video on what to carry in your backpack. and how to get it arranged so that If the worst happened, you'd walk out of there eventually The number one thing is carry a personal locator beacon And they're about the size of your phone Believe it or not, most phones these days actually have that in it But besides carrying your phone, make sure you carry a charger with it An extra battery, solar battery, something to make sure that that thing will work in an emergency. There's There's a new device that just came out within the last year that is just extraordinary The sides of a quart size milk carton And what it is is there's a canister inside You activate the canister, you point it in the air and a balloon goes straight up one hundred and fifty feet That's great And there's a light in the balloon And That is your SOS So if the personal locator beacon didn't work, That balloon is going to get seen everywhere And I was tellell people, I usually introduce a couple of different bars that I know of to carry in your backpack, water U etcetera. but ood question. P personersal locator beacon should be carried by anybody, especially if you go off trail. you go off trail and you break your leg. You're not coming out of there I've noticed that a lot of the parks National parks don't want you to carry your gun there even if you're license to carry Have you found that 't doesn't really matter what they think. I mean, I'm bringing mine anyway. Yeah. The way the law is Whatever state the park is in If you could legally carry your gun concealed, in that state, then you can carry the gun concealed in the park I didn't know that. Yes, it's a law. Oh. It's a law So as an example If you're a Montana resident like me And you travel to California And because we have CCW laws in Montana that are very loose It doesn't mean I can carry my gun concealed in California. No in the parks Should I do it Ido? Yes Canould I do it in Wyoming? Yes Reciprocity. Yeah, Washington, Oregon, California, No. But I would encourage anybody who has the wherewithal Go down to your local rifle or pistol range get an NRA instructor get comfortable with a weapon and carry a weapon when you're hiking if you can and always, always, always carry bear spray. bears in that area Good advice U anythingything else you want Folks to know where to find you Missing four one one. com is my website for Bigfoot and missing people, notot that they're related But I was talking about Jeff Mldrom and I doing the cruise. Yes I actually have a missing four hundred e oneven cruise And a bigigfoot cruise all in one leaving in September for Uh, Alaska Do you promise the cruise comes back promise the crews will come back It's probably, I've done this three times It's the most beautiful place to go by boat in the world And go through my website missing four one one. com you can find the cruise and all the information about it. But So it's you and some experts on the cruise yeah dos and stuff. Oh yeah.. Hey, we walk around, we get stopped by people all the time I'm telling you if you If you want access to The smartest Best researchers in the world, that's the place to go You youre to join? I'm into it I love it And lastly, I would say a website for YouTube. O YouTube channel half a million subscribers. I load a new video on a missing person every other day CanM like Canadian American CanM missing Project. The videos are great. You're a great storyteller as well. So and also very Compassionate So a lot of the stories are touching You're doing important work They ple to thank for coming in Thank you very much. Everybody. That was David Plz. We covered missing four hundred and eleven, the Bigfoot DNA, Skinwalker Ranch, and the cases without a clean ending. So let me break it down. Here's what we know. David was a cop for almost twenty years in the Santos APD, That's true. The Stacey Aarris case is real. In July of nineteen eighty one, the fourteen year old walked toward a lake in Yosesemite in plaained view her father and never came back One of the biggest searches in park history turned up a single camera lens cap Kenneth Arnold's nineteen forty seven playing sauceriding happened while he was searching for a crashed marine plane near Mountainier. That's also on the record Now the bigger claim David funded a Bfot DNA study run by a geneticist named Melba Ketatchcher She said the maternal line been back fifteen thousand years, and the father's DNA matched nothing on record there's some problems with that study Her twenty thirteen paper ran in a journal called Dovo that had never published anything before or since It looks like it was built to print this one study. In fact, the paper was purchased or launched I think nine days earlier Other geneticists also found problems with the study. One lab traced a sample back to a black bear, and no outside lab has been able to reproduce any of these results But David knows the study isn't widely accepted and has rebuttals basased on my research We can't rely on that DNA. And there are other problems with the study that you could find online if you want to look into it But there are no simple answers to the papwork problem Stacy Aarris vanished forty five years ago. David filed a records request for her file and got denied. under an exemption meant to protect active criminal investigations A missing fourty year old girl from nineteen eighty one is somehow still an open criminal case asked for a list of everyone missing across the park system They told him of a cost of one point four million dollars, or that no list exists A cop asking for those files shouldn't have to fight this hard I look The list exists. I think the government's lying. could be wrong, but I doubt it V poitis isn't telling you aliens are abducting people. He never claims anything is paranormal He lays out the cases and lets you decide What he wants is the data the government won't release And that's a cop's instinct, not a believer's Whether it's something strange in the woods or a system that won't count its own missing, the real story is the same We can't get a straight answer from the government His books and films are at missing four one one. com The newest are on Amazon, three are free on Tubi. If a vanishing in the Wild Story interests you, watch our episode on Kenny Beach. He walked into the Mojave looking for a cave and never came out It's a great store Until next time, be safe Be kind and know that you I appreciate a scarian that he was a secret code inside the Bible said I was I love my you embos and paranama as well as music. S singing the like Ia. But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends. And it never ends. I know it never ends gu I got stuck in Sightmel's home with them KL truck a being only two away. Did Stanley Cubrid fake the moon landin alone on a film set where the shadow be there The Rwell andas just sp the smiling man I'm told. And his name was C I can't leave I caning with the fishch and the fish on Thursday next Wednesday J two and we happen after the night. It the way idons and the solar storms still come to a God S city under Bown Series number stations planets areed to Rphic stark game and what the Dark watchatchers found. simulation. The Black knight's at a loted timeiss so I can't leve Im daning with the f The fish on Thsday next Wday J Tin weapons happen be after Swim B you and w. Twin the three This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. 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