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I brought a little pack lunch this week because last week I almost bonked. It's because you've insisted on doing a pre-work bike ride two Tuesdays in a row. Yeah, springs out out.. W Wingsings out, exact ly. Is this bad? And uh let's just say I'm asking for a friend. I planned three consecutive days of riding, so like Friday after work, Saturday, Sunday. And I was a little bit worried about saddle soreness because I'm just sort of building up my uh stamina right now. Well, is this you or is this asking for a friend? This is my friend uh was worried about saddle soreness. So um they started taking like a preemptive ibuprofen before a ride on the second and the third day. Basically a pro cyclist. I well, is that bad? I I think I need someone to tell me that that is bad. I think it's w Doctor Danny is not here, I'm sorry. You can't ask. But I haven't my gut feeling is that you'd be better off with a paracetamol is probably less uh damaging. Yeah, I had her eaten breakfast. But she's not here. Not medical advice. Well no th that isn't appropriate advice. You shouldn't be taking painkillers before a bike ride. Preemptive. You should be able to ride a bike pain free. Mm-hmm. In an ideal world, yes. Yeah . Unless it's the tour series. Well that's bike racing though. You know you're gonna be in in discomfort and pain. That's you know, that's that's proper top end racing. No, it feels bad. I didn't do it this morning and I was absolutely fine. So Do you know the difference between ibuprofen and paracetamol? The the the mechanisms, what they work on. One's for inflammation. So paracetamol stops you caring that you're in pain. Both together, extremely effective because they're very different. They act on different things. Yeah, no I've said it out loud. I am not gonna make a habit of it, and I'm glad that this little this little um therapy session has worked. Oh my friend. No. Yes, it was me. And I'm not gonna do it anymore, I've decided. But no, none of this was good advice. Don't take painkillers before a bike ride. I was waiting for you to say that. It took a while. Oh sorry, yeah, yeah. Depends on the type of bike ride though. Welcome back to the Wild Ones podcast, the show where we chat about bike stuff. I am Jimmy and this is Francis. Hey. And this is producer Emily. Hello. And as always, thank you to Garmin for supporting the show. Oh, Francis, your s super secret bike ride series. It's live. All of it. Mm-hmm. I survived. It was um it was an experience. It was a four hundred kilometer ride. No, it's seven hundred and fifty K. Oh sorry. Sorry. Four hundred and something miles Mil.es Four hundred miles, LA to Vegas for lunch, essentially. Yeah, it just got to the end of a ride and thought we wanted a bigger burrito. Oh no, wait, can I reveal that? I don't know. Yeah, you can. I mean the video is alive and it says the title is cycling to Vegas for a massive burrito or something, isn't it? Yeah, we found out that there's a bigger burrito than the one we usually eat after our bike ride. So we went and um we rode to it. It took four days. It was quite far. It was a lot of freeway. Um plus some really nice roads in between, but there was some some bit sketch freeway. Uh but we had a fantastic time. I feel like you've underplayed the the size of that burrito as well. It was like a small baby. Yes. Small meaty baby. We struggled with it. It was it was very heavy. There were colours, bits and things and flavours that I had never experienced before. It was it was worth it. Didn't you say something about you wish you had a like a body camera or 360 cam on or all times? Because you missed a couple of moments that you wish you had recorded. I missed m multiple m wild interactions with people that were just very uh I shocking we use that word for for this. Like the so Giles uh the guy I did the ride with has achondroplasia which uh translation is a form of dwarfism and we obviously look like people doing an interesting thing anyway. We've turned up to places where you don't normally see a bicycle and our bikes have got stuff on. People come up and chat to you at the gas stations. And we're towards the end of the ride, we're in the middle of the desert on the way to Las Vegas. And this was the best interaction by far. And I wish I had some sort of always on camera to record it . So a man on Big Harley Davidson gets off his bike, walks up to Giles, and the first thing he says is, So about you, you're like um you're like uh how do I say this? Um mmm and he does this for about thirty seconds, he's like umming and aring and then uh so you're like uh we man . Oh god. I got permission from Giles to tell this story, by the way. Because we've and Giles is like, uh, yeah, we've got achondroplasia. That's uh that's the thing. Yep, yep. Then the guy's like, ah, so you like, you can't like there's stuff that you can't do, right? And Giles is like, uh, well I rode 400 miles to get here so like that's that's it's quite far like managed to do that he's like oh yeah but can you ski? Can you s can you ski? Giles like yeah yeah, I've been skiing yeah yeah. you Can snowboard ? No, I've never been snowboarding. Oh, so you can't snowboard then. Can you do 300 meters? 300 meters? And I was like it that's not a discipline. That's it's two hundred meters or four hundred meters. Three hundred meters it can you pole vault? Can you pole vault? I think the answer is no. Uh Is that is that what he said? Did he say can you poll? Class. Class. So um we have looked into it now. Giles is in training for um the pole vault. The Olympics. World record. Yeah. So um good luck to him. No, there was a lot of uh of course that is a rare interaction. Well, rare. There are more good ones than bad ones. Yeah. Uh let's just say that. Most people are very respectful and know how to speak to people. But uh that was particularly funny. Do you not think if he if Charles was gonna go for a world record, going for the three hundred metres would be a better one to go for? Well he'd definitely get it. Exactly. Undefeated . Well, it was a very good video series. You and Giles, great chemistry. Lovely to watch. I'm gonna go as far as saying I think it's your best work to date. So well done.. Th Thank youank you for it. My only feedback when I watched the first cut of the video was more burrito in capital letters. Yeah, yeah. Emily wanted a 10-minute uh extended edition where we just slowly eat a burrit That was meant to be part three. I won't put any spoilers in. Maybe we finish it. Maybe we don't. Oh . Okay, I'll move us on to the news. First up, Gravels having another identity crisis. First it was full sus, then it was 32-inch wheels, and now it's single-sided pedals. Looks just released some, they're called the X1Gs, and I think they're aimed at racers, offering a 50 gram weight saving over their dual-sided option. It looks like luck may have taken in spore from Wolftooth because they released their own single sided gravel pedal back in October. Two's a trend. I mean they say three's a trend, but they've taken the worst bit from road cycling. I agree. That's so annoying. But I also am not surprised. It's probably faster. It's just unnecessary, isn't it? It's like so unnecessary. Like if if the top-end 0.1% of like extreme elite gravel races want a single-sided pedal. Just make them a single-sided pedal. Don't then try and convince normal people that uh an an inferior product is something that they should have. Have they done that though? Is that what they're doing? They've released it, so yes. Oh okay fine. They've released it and marketed it, so yes. Yeah, let's not let racing tech trickle down ruin gravel too, please. In the bin for me. Some people are like this, you know, if you're a weight weenie. Are they gravel weight weenies? Is that a subcategory of weight weenie? Pfft. It has to be now, doesn't it? The best thing about gravel and mountain bike pedals is the two sidedness. The thing I like doing most on my gravel bike is messing around on t stuff that is technically like underbiking and basically just messing about on your bike and being able to clip in really fast is handy, isn't it? Mm-hmm. I saw a thing getting shared round on threads and in Rod C CC and stuff. It's by a person calleded Two Wheel Wandering. And I would say it's it's kind of an unpopular opinion, but very much a power alley. They say 20 years in the bike trade, and I say this with full chest. We really are our own worst enemies. The bike industry doesn't need new at the moment. It needs better, better entry level, better leisure slash commuting, better accessibility for new riders from old backgrounds, all these stupid new wheel sizes, over talked mortars, and bloody full suspension gravel bikes don't make people want to ride more. It actively puts people off. We are a bunch of masochistic numpties. Very good. I like that. Ten ten. It has got better. The entry level has got better, hasn't it? L ike it would I had my friend Piers round, he was we were fiddling around with a new bike that he just bought and he's he was looking at the Walmart bike, which I've still got because we're not sure what to do with it. Um, and I told him the price and he's just like, This is crazy. I remember when I met him, I don't know, like eight, nine years a go. He was trying to get a good bike for under a thousand pounds and it just was you did you know, you know, you you're're in second hand and you're finding stuff and there was stuff, but it was a it was a mission. And now that's two hundred and what was it, two hundred and eighty dollars, two hundred and eighty-five dollars, something like that. And it uh it's it and of course that's not the perfect example, but the that it's the price is so low. The ent the entry level stuff has got bet ter. Maybe not with enough there's not enough options. I I think for me though, that bike is a massive anomaly for a couple of reasons. It's not a traditional bike brand and it's a business that are one of the biggest businesses in the entire world. Like they have the power to say this is what we want and someone will go, yes, we'll fulfill it. Whereas if you look at And it creates its own problems because of the aftercare and all of that stuff. Exactly, yeah. And if you look at traditional um bike brands, then I would say that the majority of the entry level is nearly non-existent in this day and age. There's some of it there, but it's just astronomically expensive. So if we do discount the anomalies like that Walmart one, then I personally think that uh what two-wheeled wandering is saying is right on the head. Do you think that traditional bike brands are not serving the entry-level market because it's kind of served by second hand. Because there are so many secondhand bikes around and it means that you can pay less money. It's sort of like pay especially if you're entry level i you're at the point where you're entering the sport, you don't know whether you want to commit to it yet. So you want as low cost as possible. And arguably you're always going to find better value in secondhand. Is that why they're not accommodating it? I think if you just look at it from a business perspective, especially when you consider how many of these bike brands have some form of large VC investment or very pressurized uh requirements to sell, sell, sell, when you just look at like the fundamental the the fundamental economics of a 500 pound bike versus a 3,000 pound bike. And I've done it in great detail if you want to know about it. Oh, I would love to know about it. Okay, so five hundred pound bike, three thousand pound bike, let's assume that they both have the same profit margin and tax position. One three thousand pound bike equals six five hundred pound bikes, basic maths. To store your average bike, the typical bike box size is 140 centimeters by 80 by 20, which is 0.22 meters cubed. So for one 3,000 pound bike, it's 0.22 meters cubed. For six 500 pound bikes, it's 1.344 meters cubed. So if we assume that a business was was targeting 3 million pounds worth of revenue from said bikes, the total storage space required for 1,000, 3000 pound bikes is two hundred and twenty-four meters cubed or for six thousand five hundred pound bikes is one thousand three hundred and forty four meters cubed. I've got a way of trying to understand that that level of storage. In the United Kingdom, the average size of a large double bedroom is about 30 meters cubed. So for the 3,000 pound bike, you would need 7.4 bedrooms. For the 500 pound bike, you would need forty four point eight bedrooms to store them. Just to store them. Right. So the point you're making is there's less profit margin in them and you need you're gonna they're gonna cost more because the the direct profit is the same. Oh right. Yeah, yeah. But you feel like I'm in maths again. But you would ultimately be losing some of that to customer service, ongoing uh maintenance, managing the sale, all of the additional uh card transaction fees, because there'll be card transaction fees that are say 20 pence per card transaction. So if there's six transactions, it's six times twenty versus one times twenty, etc. etc. So ultimately you've got the economy of scale with the price . So a business is going to want to sell as many high-value items as they possibly can and stock as many high value items as they possibly can. I think the problem is every single bike brand seems to have fallen into the well, let's just focus on the high end. And the problem we s which it feels like we're seeing now is no one's considering well who's going to be the next cyclists? When are the who are going to be the next people to take up cycling? Are parents still going out riding with their kids? Well, maybe not because now they have to buy them a fifteen hundred pound bike to get them into cycling rather than a hundred-pound one. I hope, if anything, the second hand market does become less problematic. I'm sure lots of people have had no issues with it. Um, but there are challenges with the second hack second hand marketplace, usually where it's well, it's a fantastic place for people offloading fake fake bikes, especially in the UK. Don't know what it's like outside of the UK. Or just like you you don't know what the quality of the thing you're getting. You might actually have to whether it's been crashed for example. Yeah yeah yeah you might have to actually there's there's hidden costs potentially. Potentially, yes. It's a very right now strategy, isn't it? You've got lots of businesses targing targeting exactly the sam e small customer base so it becomes extremely competitive and you've got no one thinking as you say who's who are we selling to in fifteen years time. Yeah. Short term thinking, isn't it? Also, in it in a time of um when cost of living high, people don't have that much spare money. The customers who do still have spare money are rich people who are buying the high-end things. So it's like brands go, well, we'll just focus on that, and then maybe it will come back to bite them. Well, I think it potentially does if people don't start um considering well who's next. Mm-hm m. Okay, I'm gonna move us on. Yeah, sorry about that, Rand. No, I I enjoyed it. Next, a man has been tried in Spain for the attempted homicide of former world champion Alejandro Valverde, and prosecutors are seeking a fifteen year prison sentence. It's over an incident that happened in 2022. Valverde rode for Mavistar at the time and he was out on a training ride with another cyclist. At some point on that training ride, there was a confrontation with a driver who, then allegedly drove into them. Now, there's conflicting reports about what exactly happened that day. Spanish news outlet El Espanol reported that the man who was a 69-year-old retired police officer, close past Valverde and his training partner? They then reportedly confronted the driver, who then allegedly reversed into them. But the driver, the defendant, denied this account in court. He said I never reversed. As I left, I may have grazed two bicycles, but I never hit a person. However, the prosecution accuses the man of two counts of attempted homicide, one count of reckless driving, and they have asked for a combined prison sentence of fifteen years and three months. The defense denies any homicidal intent, and the man has been released on bail pending further investigation. Thankfully, Valverde and his pal escaped without any fractures. I'm getting flashbacks here. Yeah. Weirdly, Jimmy and I had a not so dissimilar incident this morning. Literally this morning. Yeah. And it was quite scary, but then afterwards I was like, oh, at least we'll have a good story for the podcast. That's what I think about everything bad that happens in my life. Like, oh wait, is this a video? Your worst moments make the best anecdotes. Well, we were climbing up a hill towards the end of our ride. It was getting close to rush hour, so we were using a back road to keep away from traffic, don't trying to. There was three cars coming down the hill on the opposite side of the ro ad. When they were, I would say like less than a car's length away from us, a big four by four behind us decides now is the time to overtake. And there was so little room that basically halfway through their manoeuvre they had to slam the brakes on in no man's land in the middle of the road because they were about plow into the uncoming uncommon traffic. Or swing across and take us out. Yeah, so we had to emergency stop. The oncoming traffic had to emergency stop. Jimmy, I think, maybe just on autopilot, turned and went, What the f are you doing? The windows happened to be open on this car and a man got out of the passenger side and said, What the f did you say to me, you c he actually didn't get out. He just he just bashed his he he opened his and closed his door twice. Oh didn't he just he just slammed his door a couple of times and shouted out the window. He didn't get out. Oh did he? In my mind he w Bosh Bosh Bosh came over to you. He didn't. He didn't he didn't even get out of the car. No, it was it was um got and and then Jimmy was like, whoa, and then he got back into the car and then they drove off. Um uh I was convinced that you're about to get beaten up and I am sorry, but I am useless in an altercation. That's what I've learned. I mean, I didn't really expect anything less. But if there's like fight or flight, there's also freeze and that's what I did. But I I just it all happened so fast. I was like, what the hell is happening? I re I realised afterwards it was actually like I I I reacted him exactly like I would, an aggressive dog. Yes. I just went, woo, woo, woo, woah, woah, woah, woo. And then it left. Like an aggressive dog. Yeah. Um the other cars though were all the the drivers of those cars, they were really nice to us. I was I I haven't experienced anything like that before. That was incredible. So the the f the first car that had to stop, as we then that car had then left and we started getting going again. He literally said, Oh, I'm really sorry about that person. I'm like, oh wow, that's amazing. And then the third person was just like, you guys all right. Very kind. And I went, God damn, why do we not have the very view camera on the front of our bikes that day. I would have loved to have shown you that footage of that angry man. But Well you wouldn't have seen anything, didn't actually get out of the car. He just slammed his door twice. Do you think he was thinking he's like oh wait, no then I won't be in my big car. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Bear in mind this was the passenger, it wasn't the driver, it was actually a lady driving it. What? And then and then and then they went up the road, turned off to the the village, and then the car was then came back. And I was like, God that Jimmy, that car's come back. And it was it was just heard he'd gone and went past us and then we were going to take the turning where we assumed he was, so we went back a different way instead, didn't we? I actually feel bad for that lady because clearly this is a very aggressive passenger that she had. A hundred percent. Mm-hmm. And um perhaps she was making irrational decisions because of the pressure that she was being put under. I mean, there was a lot of stress going on in that car. There was.. For sure Someone was late for something. Yeah. Blaming d the damn cyclists. Mm-hmm. Bring on the driverless cars. This is your business. 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For those who don't know, Dennis is a former pro who rode for Yumbo Vismer and T. Minios. Sadly, he's also known for a very tragic incident which ended in the death of his wife, Olympic cyclist Melissa Hoskins. They'd had a fight in their home and he tried to get in the car and leave. Melissa clung to the car, he kept driving, she was injured, and later die d. It was very sad. He got a seventeen month suspended sentence over it, and he's kept a pretty low profile since then. But one of his Instagram posts has put him back in the headlines. He shared a photo of a black push with the caption What an absolute weapon. Oh maybe not the best choice of words given the circumstances. I have literally seen this story everywhere this week. It was it very much went outside the cycling press. It was in the BBC Guardian Daily Mail. Um, it's been labelled deeply offensive by South Australian Wow, this isn't BBC and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They said it also reflects a profound lack of respect for Melissa and her family who continue to live with the consequences of that harm every day. I would say he's been quite defiant about it because the next day he shared another post of his kids cycling and captioned it to absolute weapons. He then later shared some CCTV footage from outside his house, which showed reporters asking him if he thinks a car is a weapon. And he said, The words they put in your mouth is amazing, and sort of shouted out a couple of local news channels and said, I' Ill'll never forget how poorly and inappropriately you spoke in front of my daughter at the airport. Let's see you release that footage. But I wish you all the best. There's I mean there's clearly lots of bad blood there. I can't help feel like the mistake he's made here is doing something silly, not maliciously. I mean, you know, the the phrase absolute weapon is a is a turn of phrase, isn't it? But rather than just kind of putting his hands up and going, Oh, my bad, he's he's really doubled down. Classic road rage, isn't it? Yeah, do you think it was a it w it wasn't intentional in the first place, you're saying? No, no, of course not. But there's there's um there's intent and then there's impact, isn't it? Yeah, I think you can um I guess you can you can offend people without meaning to and not surely all you just say is Oh sor ry. But I mean maybe that's maybe that's too simplistic. The the judge in his case acknowledged that he was remorseful and he wasn't seen as criminally responsible for her death. It was essentially recklessness. And I'm sure he feels a lot of pain over that. And but also his actions will have caused huge amount of pain to um everyone close to Melissa. And I imagine press intrusion is painful as well, but I don't know is it appropriate to double down and then put out another post? I understand what he's doing. He's trying to prove the point that he didn't mean to use that word in that context, but I don't know. I mean, we're we're basing this off news stories over the last ten years and stuff that he did when he was a pro. I don't think he's a well guy. And that is the last I will say on it. Next, Milan San Remo was on the weekend and it was chaos. There was a horrible crash in the women's race, uh less than twenty kilometers from the end. They were descending a road full of blind corners, a couple of riders came down on one of the bends, uh, there was a guard rail and a big drop onto hard ground below. That then caused a pile up. Two cyclists flipped over the railing, dropped on the ground below. It must have been three or four meters. The worst affected was Deborah Silvestri. She had to be hospitalized and suffered five broken ribs and a shoulder fracture. Thankfully her team says she's recovering and in good spirits. Lotta Kapeki ended up taking the win in Meanwhile in the men's race, more crashes, most notably Tadek Pikachu came down, cracked his frame, the rear triangle was damaged, and his disc brake was rubbing, but he still managed to chase back on, still on the same bike, and ended up winning the race after a two-up sprint with Tom Pig cock. That was an awesome finish. But uh I mean props to Tom Pigcock, the only one to kind of come close. Yeah, because he dropped Vanderpool. Well they did. Um let's talk about the women's race first. I don't get why they aren't using barriers on corners like that. And like the the whole point of oh we need GPS tracking so that if someone goes off a course we know where they are, stick a big massive barrier up so they can't go over an edge. Oh it drives me wild. Just playing devil's advocate is the counterpoint, not just that this is like an oc occupational hazards. So like Cassia Nuviodoma also came down in that crash. She later said on Instagram, as my coach said, if you don't take a risk, it's not top sport. I probably could have been more cautious, but at the same time I wanted to seize every opportunity. Yeah, but that that's a statement which says I crashed rather than stayed up. That it doesn't say I crashed and because of the course design I fell three meters off the side of a cliff. Yeah, I mean she didn't fall, but yeah, yeah, maybe she would have been saying something different if she did fall. That's the problem, isn't it? The the oh god, the landing it it it it would thank goodness. It makes you feel sick. Deborah is okay because it was horrible to watch. Hideous. I've seen some uh articles commenting on the vast difference in social media coverage between the women's crashes and the men's crashes in in these races. The summary being that when men crash, it's just an occupational hazard and nothing to do with their skill as an entire group, whereas when women crash it's because women can't ride bikes. And I I I actually like I in some ways I don't want to give it oxygen because I do think it's just trolls. And in lots of ways social media is a dumpster fire. But um just what I don't know what to say other than what a sad little life you must have to dedicate your free time to comment and stuff like that. And and I don't think it is cycling fans. I think it's people who just sit around and get you're in some kind of hall where they get fed this kind of junk so they can go, oh women are trash. I think the manosphere is strong right now. Mm-hmm. It does make it will make them they're they have very, very sad, insignificant lives, and it makes them feel better for about six seconds. But that's why everyone plays status games on social media. All it is is oh you're wrong da da da da da da because it makes someone feel better, it sh shows them as higher status than the other person f and uh maybe makes them feel less insignificant. Yes. Just ignore the comment sections. I mean, you know, there was a there was that incident of Rem co Avenir Paul going over the side of a mountain and he almost died and no one's going, Oh, his handling's not very good, are they? They're going, Oh my goodness. There needs to be more safety in races. And who we are, how many years later? Same the same thing. Poggy is uh yet again demonstrated he is superhuman . Cracked b ike, brakes ru bbing. The argument for could Poggy win on a steel bike, I think he's strong right now. Was he w he didn't get a bike change? They didn't realise. Oh no way. So they didn't afterwards. That is cool. It is, isn't it? It is. Yeah, yeah. I think this is one of the few classics he hasn't won and apparently he told Pidcock he's he's won and d one. He's ticked it off now. Yeah. And I bet Pidcock was thinking, why couldn't this have been next year? Well he Pidcock can go for it next year then. I mean he can, yeah, but you know, when you're pinging and you're you're nearly there, you're like, why is he there? Yeah, but it's fine. Pickcock's still like eighteen. It's all good. Pickcock's at the point where he only does grand tours if he wants to. So like he can just pick and choose. Twenty six, I think. Is he twenty six? Wow. He is really young to tell. Yeah, yeah. Don't even need to exaggerate it. That's cra zy. He's got a lot of time. He's su ch a class like the bike his bike hand ling. Next level. He is maybe the only person who I think can convince me that I might like a Pinarello. That in a marketing is working. Yeah, that that that navy one that he's riding this year, I do like the look of it. There you go. But they do a very small bike. I know they do. Yeah, you tell me uh every few months and I go, I just don't it's a Pinarello's not for me, but you From a hot tub in a hotel. You just stare at it for like 10 minutes and you're like, oh it's really good button. Do you know what crosses my mind relatively regularly is because that was the first ever first look that we did and that's something like two and a half years ago. And I can't imagine they're planning on changing that bike anytime soon, or not like immediately soon. And I'm kind of like, maybe we should call it back in and do a Pinarello Dogma F review. Versus English Road. Like revisited and on English roads, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be up to that. 'Cause it be i I think it even just from our perspective, it's quite interesting to see like even the way we approach first looks is different now to it to the first one we ever made where we were forced to do it in Italy. Oh for sure. A quick break to tell you about our favorite VPN service, Nord VPN, one of today's sponsors. 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Yeah, with the classics now in full swing and the grand tours on the horizon, it's a great time to have a VPN and Nord is one of the best. We got a deal, don't we? Oh yes we do. If you click the link in the description, you will get four extra months on a two-year Nord VPN plan. So that is the equivalent of now until the end of July, aka peak Tour de France season for free. Nord offers a 30-day money-back guarantee, so there is no risk. There's a link in the description of the podcast. Do it. Shall we do fluff up of the week ? Whoops. Benny dropped the camera the other day and has smashed it and I need to now buy a new one. And we recorded 12 minutes of a dialing conclusion of a video and I didn't record any audio on my side, so we had to redo the whole thing. Oh no. And everyone knows sequels are never never better than the original . Unless it's Toy Story. I remember saying the words to you, you're not getting that out of me again. And then we just gave up and we like we'll film it another time. It was that bad. I used up all the energy I had, sorry. Well if it mi if it makes you feel at all better, neither of those workplace fluff-ups are as bad as a guy that I was just reading about who accidentally gave away the top secret position of a French naval aircraft carrier. Oh, I saw this. Because he logged his morning run on Strava. He was running round the ship. I saw that the heat map's so funny. Oh my god. I think it was Le Monde maybe the French newspaper that uh discovered this and published it, can you imagine being the person that did this and you see that article, your your belly would just drop, wouldn't it? I c I can only assume that if that's got out, then it's not a ship that they're worried about. Because if if you're on like a top secret ship they're they're they're they're drilled. They're not gonna mess that up. France's only aircraft carrier was operating in the Baltic Sea as part of NATO exercises and was scheduled to remain there until May. On March sixth, French auth French authorities announced and then have to subscribe to read more, so I can't tell you what the announcement is. That doesn't mean it's it wasn't known that it was there. It might not be like top top just 'cause it's a naval ship doesn't mean it's like top secret. It's not a submarine. Submarines are top secret. Yeah. But when there's like active wars going on. Going on running up and down a submarine . That would make a good TikTok though, wouldn't it? I ran it ultramarathon in a submarine. Yeah, yeah. Bang, wouldn't it? Come on. I can see the thumbnail now . Time for unpopular opinions. These are your hot takes, we'll debate and decide if we agree. And the first one is from Jonas, who says I've recently come to an unpopular opinion realization buying high spec bikes doesn't necessarily make you happy in the long run . I bought my first bike about six years ago. It was an entry level aluminium rim brake bike with Shimano 105, stock wheels, and so on. Over time, I upgraded many of the components which made it truly feel like my bike. As many of us probably experience, there comes a point when you start wanting something new. So recently, I bought a really nice Cannondale Super 6 Evo with Altegra DI2, deep carbon wheels, and carbon handlebars. Now I find myself wanting to customize it, but it doesn't really make sense. The components are already high end, and any meaningful upgrades would be too expensive to justify. Even though I really like the bike, I don't feel the same connection My takeaway from the experience next time I'll buy a lower spec model or even better a frame and build up the bike myself. Keep up the good work . This speaks to me, this does. Yeah, both of us. I I'm a chronic tinkerer. As as yesterday we were literally talking about my howler, and I was like, oh yeah, we can use that for one of the videos that were setting up to record soon and I I'm assuming initially you were thinking like why would he want to strip that bike? That doesn't make sense to which I explained that I was about to rebuild it or something else and you were like, ah, there we go. The annual rebuild i it is partly why I don't like one piece bar and stems as well because as part of tinkering and I think over time what you do with your bikes is you kind of you you just micro adjust the shifters and the bar position and and all of the bits and pieces. Like you never just set up a bike and you go, That's it. Well I don't anyway. I'll just like tweak the handlebars and the positioning and try different things. And if you've got a one piece, then you don't have the option to tweak as much. As a it's a lot of the to the top end racing by say like uh the factor or call nargo y1 rs, people post their builds online and they're look at it, look at this, and it's like well, it looks like a Y1RS. Yeah, it's a little bit red or dual race. Cool. Basically. But what he he taps into like the the idea of um purchasing things gives you a little buzz, right? Makes you happy, makes you go, Oh, I've got this like cool new thing. But the reaction from your body is basically the sam e if it's an expensive thing or a cheap thing. Like there isn't that much difference. So you might as well just keep yourself happy by appreciating sm all, little enjoyable purchas es and uh and acknowledging them than buying a massive thing and going, Oh, well it just kinda feels the same. You go back to baseline pretty quick, don't you? Mm-hmm. Do you know something that I do, which is kind of in the same vein, is sometimes I rarely carry cash because I realise that if I have a purse I will lose it, if I have a handbag, I will lose it. So I just need to be the bare minimum, which is usually just phone. But uh on the rare time I get cash , I put it in the back of my phone case and then forget about it, and there's nothing better than like a couple of months later finding it again. It feels like you have more money. Free money. Free money, yeah. Yeah, but if you'd invested that money it'd be worth more rather than less. Yeah. Ruiner of dreams, Jimmy. Um I love this idea and I think there are numerous high-end bikes that I have ridden, and they do legitimately just feel lifeless because it's so data driven. And and I don't just mean like perf like what. I just mean that even the decisions in the specs of the bikes and what they look like is all driven by data rather than like feel and passion and love and care and commitment and a love for the bike. It's just numbers now. And uh maybe that's one of the things that's tapped into this as well is the entry level allo aluminium rim brake, he then got to create this bond with it, whereas the new bike, it's just being built by numbers. It's just a super six with this and that ticks and box. It's it's putting um effort into things as well. Like uh so if you have had to put together some flat pack furniture, you're more likely to keep it because you've put effort into building it yourself. Yeah. I I I think people care about stuff more when they' ve a relationship to it. Maybe it's a bit like um when your dog dies and then you end up getting a new dog and you don't like the new dog as much as the old dog because it'll never compare. But that's not really the new dog's fault. So maybe you just have to give it some more time. Maybe that's to be a different animal, ideally. Entirely. Just like a pig or a I feel like maybe you're holding some trauma about dogs from your past. Well no. Well, yeah, may be. Next, Elliot says Hi team, love the podcast. For context, I have a long term goal of qualifying for the gravel cycling world championships. For this you have to be in the top twenty-five percent of a gravel world series event. I am a thirty eight year-old male, married with two young daughters, aged two and four. My unpopular opinion: categories at endurance events should be based on the number of dependents at home, not biological age. How does a sleep deprived time poor dad of two compete against elig eligible bachelors over a hundred and thirty five kilometers of rural gravel? Just joking. Keep up with the good work. He has a point. I'm not sure dependence specifically is is a good method, but the he is onto something here. No, I agree. And also I will judge you a little bit. If you do have two young children at home and you have the time to do an Iron Man or something like that. Who's looking after your kids? Take might take him with him. Yeah, maybe. I was looking up how to I Googled yesterday. Like we're probably fit lit still far away from having kids, but how to run with a baby. And it turns out you do have to put them in a rolling device, like a pram, not just put them there. Yeah. Which was my initial thought. But then you probably jiggle them to being ill, which would be bad. It's good research. Okay. Unless they're on some kind of gimbal system perhaps. Yes. Yes. But that's a lot of weight. I think babies weigh quite a no they can be weighty, as much as a burrito in some cases. There there is a very definite reason that why we don't see people running with babies for exactly what you said. They're incredibly heavy. Go and do a run with a backpack on your front with ten bags of sugar in it and see how long you last. I mean women literally do that. They they have them in their stomach and they're walking around and trying to live life. Yeah, they're not going for a half marathon. I think so. Some do. Some do. I bet there will be. Yeah. So a gimbal. Anything is possible, Jimmy. A baby gimbal. That's a we could put that in the merch store. We'll call it a bimble. What about driverless boogie? Baby boogie. Oh, like um well you had these food delivery things here called cocoa, and the sometimes your food just gets delivered by a little robot and then it gets to a curb and falls off and dies. But they're working on that bit. But you could put a baby in there.. There you go Once they work out the kinks. Yeah. Okay. If you've got an unpopular opinion, you can send it to wild ones podcast at cademedia.co. uk or WhatsApp it two plus four four seven eight six zero eight six zero two one And you might feature on our next episode. You can also send us stories, dilemmas, and comments, etc., for listeners takeover. And um I hate to say we're on week three of Francis versus musicians. Oh no. Can I just can I just accept defeat now before we before we even listen to whatever this is? The analogy was not that well thought through, okay? You have zero time to think about this. No taxies baxies, sorry. Oh damn it. Hate that rate that law. The law of physics. No no taxies baxies. To very briefly recap for anyone who's just joining us, Francis said something about it being hard to get good again at cycling after a break versus returning to an instrument after a break. U And a lot of musicians, most of them professional, disagreed. In summary, they think the statement is wrong, because it's probably more to do with the difference between hobbies and careers, I guess. Uh listener, John, for example, said the details and nuances behind theoretically simple processes become critical when raising the stakes. That's a lovely sentence that I really like that. The other problem is that ultimately one's a sport and one is art. And this was put very well by listener Tim from Sydney, who sent us a voice note and therefore it automatically got goes to the top of the pile. He was fake triggered whilst out on a bike ride. He said he said,. I'm going to play it. But he says the too long didn't read version is sports and art are probably not equal comparisons. Art can be appreciated at all levels, but sports have a winner. And this is what he says. Alrig, Franhtcis, you've got me. Listeners take over. We're having a fight about musicians . I don't know why this matters to me, but I'm giving it a crack. There's a massive difference for me between John Foshancy and John Petrushi. And it's a level of technical abil ity. So absolutely I can still bang out Thousand Miles Vanessa Carlton. I can absolutely bang out ACDC, you too, I can sing those songs, and that art is amazing. And that art is the equivalent of cycling for fun and for leisure and with excellence and making a really good video about it. And we must never diminish that. There is something about being an elite level racer which is the same as being a first chair violin ist and that's to hon or elite level races and it's not to dimin ish red hot chili pepper's guitarist great guitar ist playing a six-string instr ument and he was high at the time. You're probably making a point you don't realize and making a good point at the same time, which is that for us to aspire, like I I picked up the bike at 30. I'm going to turn 40 this year and I'm not going to win a master's race in Australia in my category because I just don't have the physiology of it. But I'm out here and I'm pursuing the beauty man and some of that's raising my FTP, some of that's exploring, some of that's technical skill s, all of it's awesome. Am I John Pratus hi or am I John Fresh anti? Go listen to Dream Theater if you don't know who Patrici is, it's amaz ing. But even like, okay, let's do a let's do a hillbilly version. Bella Fle ck. Unbelievable m use Elite cyclist . Love your work guys. Emily's my jam. Skips a re el. Wait. Was that Jesse from the Nero show? Was he riding the whole time? He was definitely riding here at the end. It's like a bird going to wh so I yeah, I think his point is absolutely fantastic. Uh he's re he's referring to John Frashante and drum patrushi. John Frashante is the guitarist of uh Red Hot Chili Peppers, which Francis is a huge fan of, and I think you maybe referenced him last week, and he is the king of vibes when it comes to guitar. John Petrucci is solo guitarist and was also one of the founding members of Dream Theatre, which is a massive prog metal band, and it's super, super, super, super, super technical guitar that like you know, experienced guitarists will listen and go, How is he doing that? Or they'll attempt to play it and they just won't be able to. Um, so yeah, it was a really good anal ogy. So Francis is in the cycling world, Francis is the equivalent of Chili Pepper's Vibes maker. Now, yes. Now, making his lovely art on YouTube. Yep. And Bagaca or Lotta Kapeki is the equivalent of Petrushi. Yeah. No. Too too many joined skills. Are you gonna start a fight again? Just say yes and move on . I'm holding my tongue. No, you do no, don't hold your tongue. Wait, when I sent you this voice note last night, why are you eating through the podcast? Sorry, I'm just hungry. Why didn't you do this before? Just a hungry girl. Alright, just before. I ate a massive bowl of pasta before, literally just before we filmed, and I'm now hungry again. So I'm just eating. That's all right, isn't it? All your friends here. But all all we're everyone's just gonna get No, I'll cut that bit out. It's fine. Francis, this is your progcast and I promise I'm not going to um this conversation Do you call it a progcast? Can we do a podcast dedicated to prog metal no you can please I don't want to be involved it's just me it's just me and uh Jesse from uh the Nero show it's Tim talking about John Petrushi there's that there's actually a John Petrucci song that you know because I used to play all the time, Glasgow Kiss. Mm-hmm. We actually used to that used to be one of our warm-up tracks when I was in a band, John Petrusci's Glasgow Glasgow Kiss. Cool man. Save it for your your progcast. You could you should cover it. I was about to say we should cover it and then I realised I'd have to do the John Petrushi part. And then I'd have to practice six hours a day. And then everyone who's challenged you would be correct. And and then you would have to perform it and you'd and the the the fear what was it what was the line? Uh the stakes would have have rise to the point that it would be incredible amounts of pressure. Very true. This conversation ends today. Oh. And as the person with the microphone and the platform, you get the final word on it. So is there anything you would like to say to the people? Uh thank you so much for writing and voice noting in because it's been very fun. I've enjoyed all of the conversation. Is that it? And I thought about it lots. It was nice. Yeah, it's learning. It's nice. So nice. Jimmy just wants a fight. Jimmy just wants a fight. It turns out creative and athletic thing cannot be compared. Oh no. Jimmy, you should go and find that guy in the four by four and have a fight. I'm not allowed to when you're around. That's your that's the rules. Is correct. Um, next, more lovely postcards. There was three on my desk when I came in today. First one is from Rupert in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Next one is greetings from the Ozark. It's Karen and Charles in Springdale, Arkansas, or Arkansas. I also believe it's pronounced, the USA. And finally, Petri in Suomi, Finland. Ooh. Do you know what? Finland might be the my favourite place I've ever visited. Fun fact. To the wall with the postcards. Yes, thank you very much. And finally, James from Sunny Telford, Shropshire says. Burn. Wait, why was that a burn? The sunny bit. I thought why'd you put sunny in? He he said that. Oh he said it. Oh I see, right. Maybe it's funny though. He says I'm just back from my casual 40K Sunday bun run. This type of ride will always trump 80k plus. Ho ho yes. Good steady pace, nice coffee and home in time for lunch. What's not to like? I'm not here to win races or get comms, don't get me wrong, I love Strava, but it can be the thief of joy for most people comparing averages and distances. My question is along the same lines. What is your go-to cafe stop order? Drink and snack. I will have a guess before you answer, he says. Jimmy, yes. You've got a flat white and pan or chocolate written all over you. Francis, oat milk matcha and gluten free brownie because, I imagine that's all you can buy in California. And last but not least, producer Emily, no messing with you. Tea with a splash of milk, no sugar, sweet enough. To pair with a nice wedge of Victoria sponge. All the best, guys love the work. I had a matcha for the first time. Absolutely rank. Yeah, I agree, they're rubbish. It tastes, it literally tastes how it looks. Like grass. Slightly green . Not properly green, just a bit green. If that was to go on the wall, it's going in meh. Not in the bin. So there is a place for it. Just hydration. I see. Ice cubes in it. What is your go-to order? Um burger. A cafe stop. Yeah, we stop at a pub at the end and then drink five beers and have a burger. Is that hard to find in California? In LA? Are they are they very health health conscious there? No, it's still America. Okay. So there's lots of good loads of good stuff as well. Like very easy to find. One thousand fast food places within Uber Eats range is fantastic. Can you also not appreciate the fact that he just recently got back from the biggest burrito in the universe? Yeah, yeah. Oh, Las Vegas is a hotspot for that kind of stuff. They literally just make big food so people come. And it works. Great mark, isn't it? Like moths to a flame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I f I feel like you always used to have a black coffee, like an Americano. Oh, you were just channeling the Americanness, weren't you? In America, do they have like a British carno? A tea. They think everyone drinks te a. But you do, but I do. I wouldn't even know what to get. Do you want to know why an Americano is called Americano? Mm-hmm. Because uh all of the Americans used to order it uh in the war when they were over in Europe. So it got named after the Americans and it was just a a espresso with hot water 'cause they just like their black coffee, don't they? 'Cause they used to just boil coffee beans in in a jug of thingy, whereas over here is espresso, so espresso, top it up with hot water. Americano. One for the Americans. I like that. Good fact. There you go. Are you gonna tell us about your order? Uh b pretty spot on. I would just change the panel chocolate for an Almond Croisson, which uh it sadly in the northeast of England where we now reside, none of the coffee shops d have a have have amountoissants. I say no cafe stop. Whenever I do force I'm forced to stop at cafe, I sit there wondering why we're there for ages. And then you get back on your bike and then your legs are at it's just it should be at the end. Should be at the end . Yeah, mine mine is kind of half right. Tea with a splash of milk, correct. He s thought that I was sweet enough, which is very kind, but actually it's the opposite. There is no such thing as it is the opposite. You are not sweet. No. You are prickly and harsh. Yeah, and there is no such thing as too sweet for me. In an ideal world where consequences didn't exist, I would have at least six sugars in a tea or a coffee or just in my hand. Does it even dissolve? Or is there just granules at the bottom when you drink like the end? I settle for two sweeteners, which is probably also slowly poisoning me, to be honest. My mum sent me probably not so subtle article the other day about how like artificial s sweeteners are shown to ca use what was it? Alzheimer's. That wasn't a draw. And unfortunately, it it will be the cross that I bear because I once try to cut out sweeteners and like the world lost all colo ur. I've sometimes started having a a cappuccino . Occasionally. You had one today. I did have a one a day. And well then we had to cycle up the big hill. So I was full of adrenaline from the the cappuccino and then the altercation happened and I my heart rate says one eighty I thought you I thought you were pretty chilled about it. No, just frozen in fear. Oh right, okay. Yeah and Victoria Sponge, yes. Anything sweet, y es. The end. Well that's all for this week. It is indeed, yeah. If you like what we do, make sure you subscribe so you don't miss out on the next one. Until then, see you later. Bye. Goodbye. When you take part in a British Heart Foundation event, you get to experience all sorts of emotions. From can I really do this? To I could be my PB to I'm doing it for you mum. 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