Managing Debt and Potential Government Support

Sky News, The full story first Despite the Iran warar beginning in February, energy bills are only just going up This is why I'm Mari Aurora, Wlcome to This Is Y The offGM energy price cap went up by thirteen percent on the first of July, that amounts to an average of eighteen pounds a month more on energy bills. This is almost entirely due to the US Israeli war with Iran and the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz, driving up gas prices because of oil supplies not being able to pass through the vital shipping route This is not a war that we started nor is it a war that we joined But it is a war that will have an impact on our country But due to the price cap, we're only beginning to feel the impacts on our bills now can confirm to the House that contingency planning is taking place for every eventuality so that we can keep costs down for everyone and provide support for those who need it most I'm joined by James Sillers, Sky's businessiness and economics reporter James, thank you for being with us Start us off with what is the energy price cap and how much are bills going up? OkayK, so a bit of a history lesson. The energy price cap was first introduced by the government of Theresa May, so quite a while ago And the idea was basically stop rip off bills. So a lot of households in the UK are on what's called default tariffs. so they don't make any intervention on their own behalf to try and keep their own bills down. They are just quite happy to sit on the default tariff So this default tariff energy price cap, it's set by the industry regulator off Gem. They look at all the different costs that providers and other operators in the market need. And the idea is to make it fair so that nobody is overpaying for their energy bills when they're on the energy price cap. It's a bit of a safety net and most UK households are still on them Okay, put that into cold hard cash. So thirteen percent bill increase. What does that look like in a year or a month? Okay, so what the energy price cap does, it's a measure of how much supplilers can charge per unit of energy. So that's electricity, gas. So for a dual fuel household Paying by direct debit, you end up paying an average annual sum. So they look at the average amount of energy that the household uses and that's every three months, that figure gets updated. So at the minute, it's, I think it's one thousand eight hundred sixty five, something around that area, as you say a rise of thirteen percent. Okay, so it's going to work out about eighteen pounds a month more than before. Yeah, so two hundred twenty two pounds per year, households, luckily, because it's summer, won't be paying or using so much energy or electricity gas at the minute, just because we're not basically using gas to heat our homes. Where it starts to get a bit more tricky is what is to come and the outlook for energy prices. So what are we expecting for autumn for winter? We expecting them to go up to go down Luckily, I don't have to crunch the numbers. and there is a well respected forecaster. It's called Cornwall Insight. They provide figures every so often over the course of the year And they give us an idea of the outlook for the energy price cap. So what they have said was that the price cap should go down by all of zero point five percent from the beginning of October as things stand. So yeah, we've seen that big spike in wholesale energy costs being reflected in the increase that has taken effect today. Looking at the market data, because this has all been driven by US Iran war hikes to natural gas prices. Is that everything? Is the entire reason bills are going up purely because of that war? Yeah, in this price cap, it's reflecting hugely the impact of the war and what it's done to the UK natural gas costs. All the time, there are these conflicting factors that just sort of get behind will drive an energy bill in the months and weeks and days to come. and it changes all the time. you know And this is the thing with the energy markets for the minute, they've been very volatile. you know, since the start of the U S. Iran War and all the attacks that took place on Gulf energy infructure, the closure of the Strait of Hormers, all those deliveries of natural gas in particular have taken their toll on global prices. But let's talk about the timing of that. The war started in February, but we are only feeling the impact now. So why? This is the weird thing. Last time the energy price cap was set, this was before it was set just before the war. It was days actually before the missiles and drones started to rain down in the Middle East. So When it came to the price cap between April and June, it went down. and that was largely actually because of the policy change that Rachel Reeves had announced. So when you then set the price cap And I wouldd say that was towards the end of February. The price cap was set. It was lower, It was going down. know we had bills falling between April and June as you would generally expect at the end of winter. You'd normally expect bills to come down. But of course, that offGem then looks at all the data and the market data So all that energy price increase that we saw in the market right from the beginning of March when the markets opened for the first time after the war began. You know, they're then taking in all that data. And then the first time that offGM is able to reflect those price increases is from was from the beginning of July from this price cap So we were shielded from that. dririvers weren't. We paid high prices at the petrol pumps for many months. Those prices are coming down The impact on households in terms of their energy bills was delayed. So we always knew that there was this shock coming and that's what's happened today. Right. Now, you said that we are expecting bills to maybe go down in the autumn. Obviously don't not point five percent five percent. I think we're talking a few quid here.hing nothing dramatic. Hey, as my dad would say better than the poke in the y If things start to heat up again in the Middle East, if tensions start to rise, if the ceasefire doesn't last, if they don't manage to get a deal with Iran, could that change and could we then see a price capap going up in the autumn? Absolutely. This is the strange thing about energy market. It's all about supply and demand. So what I think has been surprising for me during this is that we've been able to get sufficient supply to meet demand. A lot of extra supplies come from the United States. So hey, you know, America has done quite nicely out of this war in terms of its energy sales. So that has managed to offset A lot of the worries that there were in the market about if you lose twenty percent of global supply, you've got to try and make that up from somewhere So that seems to have actually happened fairly well. and you see that as well in fuel, you know, petrol diesel as well. You're thinking about shortages. Remember for weeks we were thinking are summer holidays on? Well they certainly are, you know, yeah, okay stockpiles aren't what they should be, but everything's still functioning the way it should. So that's all good news where we start to get into trickier and much stormier waters as we head towards autumn and then winter is demand in the northern hemisphere, obviously because of winter goes up. Is it still sustainable? that the price is where we are right now They are still elevated, but you know They're manageable. There's nothing like the energy price shock we saw after Russia's invasion of Ukraine I think it's too early. It's watch this space I think it's very frustrating for a lot of people that you know we keep having these on off peace efforts. Is a deal happening? Is the Strait of Hallves open? Yes, one minute it is, then the next minute it isn't. you know, the Iranians want quite clearly to charge shipping tolls, which breaks international law. That is something that has not been agreed. And obviously those tolls would realistically be passed on to consumers, right? Exactly. So it means high shipping costs, you've got higher insurance at the minute as well. Of course, the fuel that goes into those ships to take deliveries, that also goes up. So you've got a lot of these other things that will eventually determine how the market will respond and obviously if the war in the Middle East, is still ongoing and there is still a threat to energy supplies, then that will be reflected in the market prices. And we could then see costs continue to go up through winter, but it's very, very early days and it's very difficult to forecast because so much depends It's in the gift, isn't it of Donald Trump? Let's go on to some practical tips how people can try and save themselves cash when it comes to these energy bills. People are going to be really stressing out. What are your top tips to help? If you listen to a lot of the consumer groups now,' they're saying, fix You know, it's it's it's a hedge, but you have to work out Can you safely afford to fix? Okay, Can you afford to lock in price over an extended period Because remember, the energy price cap was designed to be that sort of cushion to sort of make you feel that you weren't overpaying and that you weren't being ripped off So There are savings out there, if you fix, and it's about two hundred odd quid at the minute versus the price cap. at its current level. So here's the thing. what you've got to do is work out, am I worried about the Iran war still raging? Do I really want to face the prospect of paying even bigger bills going into winter And remember, the forecast is going to be fairly flat going into winter. So we're not going to see As things stand, a big spike I think you have to weigh up the options. Could I afford to pay this rate over the course of the winter And there's are really, for me, some really worrying stats out there in terms of energy debt. According to the latest official figures from the regulator, you've got, I think it's just under five billion pounds worth of household debt to energy companies in this country currently, which is a pretty staggering figure And I was speaking to the industry lobby group, Energy UK a few weeks ago, and they believe that Potentially by the end of this year, we could see that level hitting seven billion. If we can't bring bills down and people's ability to pay isn't improving dramatically, which of course now we know it isn't because pay is rising at around the same sort of level as inflation More and more households are going to get into energy debt. and it's a huge problem. Something quite clearly has to be done because there's only one way energy debt's going in this country and it's up. So what is the social tariff? For people who've never heard of it or don't know what that is? what's a social tariff? So social tariff is effectively it would identify through your financial circumstances ability to meet energy bills and the likely path of energy bills. It will look at income, the benefits that potentially you're on and it will determine whether you then are able to pay this social tariff. So it's a bit like that done with the water industry as well. So I think what you need is a standard universal social tariff for households that are not going to be able to to meet their energy bills and the rise in energy bills because thirteen percent today, okay, yeah, it's summer and we're not using a great deal of electricity, but thirteen percent is a big old leap you know in the context of where we were just yesterday. It is a problem. And you know, we've heard so much over the last few winters about people making choices between heating and eating and energy bills are one of the big problems when it comes to cost of living household finances because it's been so rather than down Now let's talk about the government for a second. because people often say the government needs to help, the government needs to help. Of course, the government to an extent is only able to do so much when global energy prices are dictated by things like wars in Iran, right There is talk about whether there might be some kind of government intervention maybe in the winter or the autumn. Rachel Reee suggested there might be someim. We've had the hint. We've had the hint. I mean, she might have be been a job very soon, so that might off I think you know we had the universal support for energy bills after the war in Ukraine when they had that peak in inflation at eleven percent, the energy price gap above four thousand pounds you know, we've had the universal support And that was widely welcomed at the time. But there was always going to be a price to pay at the end of that, which is someone's got to pay the bill. and we're still paying the price in the public finances for the COVID shock, that energy led cost of living shock. And it will fall to whoever is Chancellor when we assume Andy Burnham becomes Pime Minister in a couple of weeks time. But I think it would be a pretty heartless chancellor T was to sit at number eleven and say, Well, you know what, we can't do any help for energy bills because it's quite clear that it's still the big cost of living pressure this government has made a play with several priorities. One of them was tackling the cost of living And Andddy Burnham has committed to that manifesto with obviously ideas of his own. I think it would be unlikely that he would roow back on that idea of targeted support for those struggling the most headading into this winter. James, thank you so much Get in touch with your ideas for future episodes by emailing us at why atsky. uk And this is why we'll be back tomorrow.