Zen Philosophy and Wolves

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Enjoy the refreshing kick of Mountain Dew An American original tasting great since forty eight Look for American Dew limited timee packaging or find it in stores near you at mountaindew d. com That's mountaindew dot com Today's guest is a legendary actor The big Lbowski true grit Crazy Heart, if you haven't seen that one, Tron, many more. He's got a new movie, Mions and Monsters. It's in Theaters july first. I had quite a time with today's guest, mister Jeff Bridges get my right specs. You might be too far away for these. No what you got plus two you got two point fives? What are you rocking? No on These are a prescription man. These are my reading glasses, but let me say I try there's bad cats on. Well, let me say, here you go for this.s a reading Just give me one pair. don't wear you don't get a mod. No, I think I'd go for the other one, mas. Oh let me see how I'm looking Oh, huh? Nope. N a little off, right? Yeah not bad, but yeah, this is better. Okay. Nothing I don't wan to pick a wife out with those on, you know? Are you getting close? I mean, I'd like to be married. Yeah Yeah, I'd like to be. But sometimes it's out of your control, you know? Anything close U I'm not that. You' been close? I think I've been close, man and I just wasn't like u Just like my heart wasn't in the right spot. my brain wasn't. I was touring a lot and I wasn't ready to like ye. I had two wheels out of town, you know. She kicked you to the curb where you kicked her or a little boat. Yeah,'ve had they've all kicked me. they've all at a certain point kicked me. but I deserve to be kicked. Yeah to me, it's tough. I resisted it as long as I possibly could. You did? Yeah. Well, youve been you had a We just had our forty ninth anniversary. Let's go. Oh man. Oh, yeah, reallyally a good one. I scored, man. Yeah, how'd you score that dar? I was making a movie called Rancho Deluxe in Montana And we're shooting in this place called Chico Hot Springs. But they used to do brain surgery there a hundred years ago. It's like a hot spring place. For sure warm water. That's where I want to be cut open. Exactly, man. Yeah. And I'm sitting there in this hot tub with Harry Dean Stanton on one side Sam Waterson on the other and we're doing a scene. Yeah look across and I see this gorgeous Girl. With two black eyes and a broken nose. Oh. and that juxtaposition of that disfigurement and the beauty, you know. You know, partart of the trouble with these interviews like this because I've done a bunch now is I end up telling the same story. I tell the story. Okay. But it's one of my favorite stories so I don't mind, but it feels a little funny because Ive told it so often, you know So I think I imagine people say, don't tell that fucking story. I never heard it, man. So I've never talked about love. And so you see so you're sitting in a tub, first of all, with two men. Oh, oh, o And I'm going to show you something. I think I got it. I usually don't have the thing that goes along with it, but I think I got it in my satchel here. So I'm sitting in there with two guys, Harodine Stan, Stan Waterson. See this gorgeous girl with a broken nose and two black guys I finally get up my nerve to ask her out. Now you know asking somebody out, you know it's tough, isn't it, man? Oh, it's hard to get your nerve because your nerve, sometometimes it feels like it starts at your feet and you gott to get it all the way up your body. And I'm young now, I'm in my twenties, man.. So you're Va Yeah, I Vir Not'm unpracticed, you know? Yeah, unrehearsed. Unrehearsed. And I go up there and I say, wouldould you like to go out with me, maybe have dinner or something? No I say, really? she says, Yeah, it's a small town, maybe see around, you know? And her prophecy proved true. And at the rap party of this movie, she showed up and we danced and that was the dumb deal. Now we cut thirty years later We're married have three kids and I'm going through my mail on my desk And I get this letter from the makeup man on the show where I met my now wife, wow And he says, I was going through my files And I found something that might interest you. It's you talking to a local girl So I have a photograph that I'm gonna show you right now. I think I have Let's see it, huh? This is a shot of the first words E spoken between my wife and myself. Oh, listing hieroglyphical love. Is't this a wild thing, man Yeahf course.body. Thankk you, bro. is a and this is my prize pos session. Let me see if I can fight it Oh my Get that thingang out. This is a two shot. Here is the moment and you can see, look at the look on my face. I'm totally cococked here, man. Look, would you like to go out with me? No, click, the picture' taken. There it is, man. you are smitt dude. You can tell. How E from a side angle, you can you see I'm done man. It's over you know full Smith h. And so but I resist it because you know, we don't want to lose our autonomy, man. We'd like to, you know, and there's so many beautiful girls all over the place. But do you think even while you're saying that so do you think thank you for showing me that? And congratulations to man Um Yeah, I was having love for that long, you know? I think people sometimes don't think that when they get into a relationship, what they do get out of it if they work it well is they get love. Well, You know, peopleople forget about that part of it. I mean, they they may also get other stuff too. But but do you think like that that's one of the things that keeps you keeps a guy from asking a woman out sometimes is the fear of losing their autonomy without even thinking about that. That's what Yeah. so 'ause you usually think it's just general fear, right? Beuse I never thought about it like that like what we were saying like, 'cause I think about, o,'m like I feel like if I'm gonna ask you a lot, it's like o Okay, I'm nvous right, but I've never thought that the nerves are really just like a deep internal fear, like it's your autonomy showing up and be like, no, we're gonna lose it. Do You you think that could be true? Oh, absolutely. That's what it was with me. You know, I'm in my, you know you were prime r? You know, I mean, I was, you know, my career was on the rise, all these beautiful women were around. and I felt it was like literally like the cartoon where the eyes go out, you know Boom and love at first sight. and it was frightening to feel like that. Yeah. But And so I was torn And Well, I', you know The high that we're looking for, I find or the one I'm looking for is intimacy, right? That' what And that's what marriage, that's the playing field of intimacy. You know, you can you commit it for the whole shot and you say And I'm just lucky that I found somebody who's I'm so attracted to and the intimacy seems to grow. But what your question triggered You know, we we lived together for about three years and it was on again and off again. and, uh U She says to me Hey, I know you love me And, uh, and that you have abula. Now abula is a disease mental disorder that my mother used to me which I have a hard time making decisions. know Oh yeah. you slightly joking with me, both my mom and my wife S, I know you have a buooah, but I'm going go back up to Montana where you found me because my biological clock's going off. Wow, you know And u I finally worked up, I guess it was courage or I don't know what it was. I don' know I prayed on. I got down on my knee and said, OkayK You know, And I had this image of a handful of sand and there was one little diamond in there, and that was Sue, you know, you know, I can't let that diamond go. And I gave myself a caveat. I said, you can always get a divorce man That sure you know what I mean? So that was my caveat. Now we cut about a week later because Sue says, when do we wre to get married? I said, Oh, how about this weekend? 'cause I don't know how long I can hold this thing. That's a good point. A lot of people put the wedding way too far out. Oh man, that been torture. So we invite a bunch of our friends over to our little house up in Malibur up in the hills there and to get married, now we cut to Maui with the seven sacred pools. we have our honeymoon there And I'm looking at this gorgeous scenery, but all I can do is smell the rotting mangoes man. I'm a pouting Yeah. And she goes, What's wrong on nothing, nothing. She goes, Oh, let's an this. I said, No, no. No it's just bad fruit. Yeah. Oh And she put up with that shit for years. Really just that bad recognizing recognizing the rotten mangoes, huh? I feel that, bro. Oh, oh. Thank God, she didn't kick me to the curban that I finally got with the program. I Nobody fool me. What made you get with the program? Well, you know, I mentioned intimacy, you know, you get so intimate, you go through so many bad times and good times and every time you go through a Tough time you either cept, you know, you give it up, or you your love and intimacy and connection have to grow to hold that weird thing that was threatening it. you. One thing you said, it was like you're like, I had like a handful of sand and there was like one diamond in it. Yeah It's crazy how many times in our lives, I mean, and really I'm just speaking for myself, I think. And I don't wantan to speak for it from like a negative or like downer place. But there's been times in my life where I've had a handful of Siyan and like one diamond that was like a special person. and and I chose the sayayyan But But sometimes like it was fear or it was like Well as we're talking about the metaphor, it's not so much choosing the sand for me, but it was I'm going to choose this handful of sand, sand being all the bullshit. Yeah. because there's a diamond in there. You know what? So I said, I'm okay, I'm going take You know, it was a I'm so u It was an unconscious. decision on that side, although I you know I felt it was so strong that I gave myself that caveat, which is a weird thing to go into a marriage saying you can always get a divorce, man. But it' that's's not a bad call? I guess not, man. It was But it worked It worked. anyway, obviously if if it lasted this long, wasas there one of more like was there like a more pressing moment that came in? Like Yeahah, what's because one of my friends, I was talking with Jared Leto, he and our buddies, we met at the UFC fights. And I was just randomly messaged him and I said, Hey, I'm going to be talking with Jeff Bridges He said a lot of nice things and and then he said, Yeahah, how has he had so much luck in love? Like how how does like why does he think his marriages lasted so long? It's like, yeah, are there like Yeah, like what was one of the tougher moment? like that you had to evolve because it sounds like you' saying, you get to these moments and you either choose to kind of evolve and it adjusts the volume of your like intimacy or you choose not to U And a lot of us choose not to at times, you know, because it feels safer Yeah Well There's something that I call, what do I call it, our primal battle, our primal war that we have and it's basically You don't get it You don't get what it's like having a relationship with somebody like you. You don't get it. You don't understand me at all And there's such truth in that because none of us really know the other person, really, you know And what'll do Weve started doing this and it's happened now as the years go on less and less. And I kind of almost miss it. It just happened recently. I said, Oh good we get to do together. We'll sit a little closer than we are here facing each other And willll take turns, you know, whoever wants to go first can go first, and the person just says all their feelings And the other person just listens. They don't think of their rebuttal. They just their task is to just receive what that person And againain, it's intimacy, man. try to get that, get that. All the feelings about them, about everything.b everything. Got it. And we try not to use, you know, you, you, you you message. We try to say this is how I feel. This is what I feel Yeah. And then the other person does their side and the other person listens and we go back and forth. That often really scratches the edge in a beautiful way. Simes it doesn't. but it's really a cool strategy to deal with the basic thing that you don't understand what I am, what I'm going through. And marriage is a great like a playing field or, you know a game board to really explore all of those those emotions that are so real for all of us, you know, because we're all separate people. Right. But we're similar in that we're human beings, you and we have feelings. Yeah, and that's the closest we get. I mean, that's one of the closest relationships that you have. I think to be able to do that with any relationship is pretty cool But to really look to look at love as like a playing field, to look at like a relationship with someone else is like a playing field and let's try this out. Like let's try out some things to see like just how brave can we get with like our vulnerability or with learning about ourselves.' pretty cool. That's right. And they used to have these things in tribes, like in certain tribes, I don't know which Theres one I'm thinking of specifically but they would have these kind of dance off things like partners would and they would like try to like like they would dance in front of each other like kind of process their energies toward each other. It's kind of fascinating. So I kind of related to something like that a little. you know, uh saying it's like a playing field or you know, a place to practice relationship. You know, uh And I find it overflows into my work and making a movie or just being here with you, you know? Y. Yeah, I noticed stuff like that's the same thing. Now I would think what you do and I'm not as familiar as I might have been with what you're up to, but I Googled you, you know before I showed up today. I said, God, look at this guy's really into some great interviews. I saw your interview with Mike Tyson. was wild. I was wild, dude. Dude he was out of his mind, but he was also he was also the most in his mind. Exactly. He and Louis C K. Oh, he's one of my heroes. So you had some great and you get intimate on these things and that I I bet when you finally find a girl or a guy, whoever which way you're lean to connect with in that deep way. I hope it's a woman. You know I'll say this, if it's a guy, I'm gonna be shocked. If they like, yeah, if it's an arranged marriage and it's a guy dude, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna email my mom But yeah, dude, you know, I like talking about stuff like that and it's important. And some of these people like Louis's one of my dearest friends in the world. Oh wow man. He's one of the deepest people I've ever met in my life. ye. I got to be I went to a party recently and H and Bob Odenkirk were there. haveave you ever met gotten to meet Bob Odenir? I, but I admire him ye. He' And he was just like and they were talking, dude, and I just got to sit there and listen to them. It was like, yeah, that was something pretty special. But yeah, it is interesting like because this is the playing field that we get You know, sometimes we forget that this is like whatever it is like whatever like God has intended or the world or the energies of whatever like that put us here to wee have this like like a fish come to like the edge of the glass and being able to like see just get like a peek out into the universe. This This is it. Yeah, man. So all the things that we want to do, we have to try while we're here, even if it's scary, even if it's hard You know Yeah. And don't you find, I don't know about you, but I'm addicted to comfort, man. I like to be comfortable Yeah. And the problem with comfort and maybe it's not even a problem. It's kind of both a problem and the solution. When you're comfortable, you're not growing, you're not you just you're just relax and being comfortable. It's a coffin, man. It's a kind of a Yeah, it's a coffin. It's cozy and all these little challenges of life and I resist these like marriage, man. I resist this shit. Yeah because I don't like to be challenged I don't want to be uncomfortable. but I notice every once in a while, I'll do these experiments on myself and I say, Okay, you feel this way. Now why don't you just go against that and do something adventurous and challenging, you know and see what happens just to fuck around, you know. So I'll do that. O the other side of that, ninety nine percent of the time I say, wow, I got off, man. That was cool. Yeah. I'm something other than I thought I was. I didn't think I could do that. I know Isn't that wild thing? Yeah, we forget that like this is this is a school, I think We forget that this is a school, you know, and you kind of just get used to the recess Yeah. That's something I remember I never went to college, but I thought, Gee, I think I'll put my I'll be the dean of my own college. I'm going put my, you know, andt I didn't do it to the degree that I wanted do you know, but to give myself assignments, you know, you play guitar? No, I don't.', but I you know, I play guitar but I said, I should take, you know, I'm always jealous of my friends who did that woods shedding, you know, and learned all that stuff, you know. I said,, you know, I notice I don't do it, but I could, I could put myself through You know, a college course of guitar. It's all online. There's so much stuff online. It seems like you've done a good job with kind of like nurturing your creativity over time, you know, It seems like you stay active with like I saw like a lot of the and it's one thing that Louis C does too is he's a great sculptor People don't know that. and I don't even know if he cares if I share that or not, but like you'll go to to his apartment and he has like all these crazy sculptures that he's made and it just It just like He reminds me of like Just creativity. it's not stuck in one spot. It's not your're just this. that you can use it in different ways. and you can also try to see if it sticks in different ways. It's like throwing like a spaghetti like, you know, of yourself against the wall of like the world or the universe or. But you seem to have done that a decent amount with like music U acting and with also I've seen some of your can you even bring them up next? some of the scculptures that you have yeah. o yeah. my heads. Yeah. Yeah. I make, you know, I do a pot or something And then I always have a little piece of clay left over and I just let my hands go and say you know And they come up with these heads, man. I don't know the aspects of myself or what the hell they are. But that guy definitely. I'm gonna say it was Italian at one point. But yeah, beautiful group there. I find youve been these or you give these away for charity or something? Or do you just do you prize them? becausecause I guess they're like, they're kind of pieces of you in a way. Well, they were it's sort of a semi abandoned project. I say semi because I still may kick this project off. It's kind of dear to my heart. It was a project called Head for Peace Oh yeah. already. I support you I' want head for peace. Yeah, exactly.. So I will be the lieutenant governor of the project or whatever. Yeah yeah, good. I'll be on the front lines of head for Pace. I got very tight with a cat named Bernie Glassman. You know that guy at all. is that name ring Bell? No So he's a Zen master. He was. He's no longer with us. And I was at a party you know who Rom Doss is? Yes So I it was Rom Dos's birthday. Oh And what do you even know? So this is what I get him. I say, Rom, can I call you Rom? I always wanted to give you a little head, man. I my head. And he looked at me kind of straight. And then the guy s to my left wasas this like little Jewish guy, you know? And he goes, Hi, I'm Bernie Glassman. I go, Oh yeah. And he says, I really dug Lbowski man. And I say, Oh yeah. I said, Oh yeah. And he says, yeah, he says, I'm a Zen master. I don't know if he acc said Zen master, but he maybe said, I'm really into Buddhism or something. but it turns out this guy was heavy Zen master. And he says, Labowski, it's filled with Zen coons. You know what a coon is? Like you know, what is the sound of one hand clapping? That's kind of a fam. it's like a question that you don't have a certain answer. you just have to kind give you a vibe or trigger something to you, you know? You must see that real quick. Yeah you can yeah, there you go ye. A Zen Koan is a short paradoxical story or dialogue used in Zin Buddhist practice. Rather than riddles to be logically solved, they are meant to exhaust the rational mind allowing the practitioner to break free from the habitual binary thinking and experience reality directly. Yeah. Some examples are the sound of one hand clapping. Yeah. So anyway, that's a perfect great definition. it. So Bernie says, yeah I really doug Lbowki. He says it's filled with modern day And I'm all about bringing Buddhism up to speed with modern day times. I said, What do you mean It's filled with modern day Kohans? He says, Well, look who wrote and directed it. Its the Koan brothers.. And I say Lv And I say, What's another example? He says, Yeah, because thatone was mid That was pretty mid. Yeah. He says The dude abides. That's very Buddhistic right there I said, give me another one. He says, Well, my favorite one. That's just like your opinion, man. And that is that's my favorite one. At least he came with three if he'd only had no, he goes on. I said, give me another. Shut the fuck up, Donnie. It's another one. You know just and he was filled with these things. And I said, those are pretty good. He says, Yeah, let's write a book, man. I say, What do you mean? He says, Yeah, we'll write a book about this you into it? And I thought about it and I got such a hit from this guy. You know how you get a hit kind of immediately, you know, boom. You know? Yeah, some people were fascinating. It's like meet a cool pet in the street. You just boom. Yeah, you keep petting whatever. Yeah. And so we got in cahoos. We went up to Montana for a week or two and wrote this book called The Dude and the Zen Master. Oh, you got it up there There's Bern. Let's go Yeah, man. And what happened to him? Huh? What happened? he passed away? He died. Yeahah, just, you know. man he could have faked it and he could be in Barbado. But this guy, I would advise your viewers to check him out. You can you know, you can google the hell of him He's got so many wonderful books. Bernie Glassman? Bernie Glassman. The Infinite circle instructions to the cook. He was so great. Oh anyway, getting back to the heads. So I had this weird idea becauseuse I got very involved with his organization called the Zen Peacemakers. And were you spending a lot of time with him? Like were did you guys have a weekly or daily practice? you know, I didn't really Like were you becoming a Buddhist? L that's what I'm. Well you know, in my spirituality, you know, we could talk about that, you know, that's the whole kind of I'm interested in all kinds of spiritual stuff since I was a kid, raised, you know, I guessr from Christian point of view. But Bernie and I I don't know he the word guru kind of sticks in my craw. I just saw him as a dear wise friend, man that really I got so much out of. And anyway, he had this organization call and there's still going on called Zen Peacemakers. And my idea with these heads, I was going to make one hundred eight heads, that number is significant Buddhism and a lot of relig religions. and I would rent these heads for ten thousand dollars a year.'s I've rented a little head before, but lower price. I would put them in a little box And basically it was like swag for people who wanted to support the Zen peaceemakers. You know what I mean? Now, along with the head The person would get a certificate, you know, you'd get the thing about, Hey, let me give you a little head. You you'd get to say that joke to your friend. Yeah. You could pass the head on to other people. There would also be a website that would talk about the genealogy of the head, who had the head, you know, I just went my fantasy, I just went way up out there. L cabbage past dolls kind of all that. Yeah.. Yeah. And I don't know if but it's still in the works. I still have it but then I got hit by This flood up here and all the heads got lost. and so I have to make more. So you're saying there's some missing head around here. There's some missing head. I agree with. Yeah, I need some head, man. look. 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I find when I'm in a creative mode, I shake up that juice and all kinds of creative things, drawing You know, I was doing a movie with u Peter Weir, wonderful movie he invited me to do called Fearless I played an architect going through a plane crash. and I said, I think I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of art supplies as this character and paint as this character. I ended up you know, papering my hotel room and just going at it the next morning had breakfast with Peter. I said, lookook what happened last night? He goes, Oh, well, that's going to be in the movie, man. You know brought do a song, Oh, that's in the movie. you know, we'll put that in the movie. So just create just being just creating. Yeah, remember Robert DeVall, wonderful actor I got to work with in a movie called Crazy Heard. He played my best friend in that He he played the bartender. And he played a bartender That' one of my favorite movies. He was so wonderful and work with he said, you know when I meet with young actors and when they ask me you've gotten your advice, he said Yeah, the three things I'll tell you. Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies deevelop hobbies, you know? Yeah, I feel like it because you know, it all goes into into the work, you know. Yeah, sometometimes I feel like, yeah, I got so busy working that I don't even have any parts of myself anymore. Does that make any sense? What are your hobbies? Do you have a hobby? I don't really have any. You don't have one hobby, man, think about it I mean, I like to go to the UFC fights. Yeah, well that's a hobby. Are you a martial artist at all? No, I used to take some classes, but I haven't taken them recently. I think I was just touring a lot and recently things just stopped like about a month and a half ago. And so it's kind of the first time where I feel like I'm just kind of looking around and being like, okay, well who am I? you know? Like who am I like I've always just been kind of my work. I haven't always just been my work, but I realize that somewhere along the way, like I let that just be me who I was? Does it make any sense? Yeah. I mean, from my point of view looking at you, this is kind of your hobby. Kind of what you do here. You've combined your work and your hobby so closely. it seems like that you just like to engage and Yeah, that's true. Well I think my hobbies became jobs. like doing stand upp comedy, I guess was kind of a hobby at first and then podcasting, I guess was sort of a hobby Yeah, so they then they mature and they become not hobbies anymore, but you know real things. But I would like to do gardening. I would like to go on more walks. I think I want to go do some camping this year I want to, um What else? I'd like to be in love or whatever. Do you serve? You know? I don't serve it. I wouldn't mind maybe going to Costa Rica. I think it's pretty easy to learn down there. That would be cool. So maybe I'll do that. What about ceramics? You ever mess around with clay? No, I haven't really done it. You might dig that, man. Yeah, man. I cool. O The guitar, it's a great never too late, man. It's just so easy because they where you you know, it's just pictures of where you put your fingers, those yachs and you just do that. Oh, dude, I'll tell you this. I did love playing the guitar for a little while. then you do do it. Yeah. So I need to get back to it. You're right, Dude, maybe if I pick something like that Yeah And you've got it already. It's kind of like a bike. I mean, can you play a G, a G and a you know, you can play three chords. I can play Bobby McGe, dude. You know Oh man, well, then you're there. Nothing left to lose. Oh, I can get us there, you know. Willam Bobby McGe, Isn't that the song d Chris man, dude Bro, I'll tell you a story. So I used to live at my buddy's dad when I was in school because I had a little bit of ED when I was younger, right? Because of mental, whatever, mental health or whatever And so my buddy's dad got weiener pills, right when they first came out Right Be people didn't know they were coming out. remember? Everybody's just standing around. their wieners weren't working Yeah. And then bam They came out. Yeah, ye. And And so I went and live with my buddy's dad, dude, right? Because I could p I could like kind of cop some of his script because he could get them, dude. But anyway, while I was there, I was learning the guitar and he used to have this girl over and they would like lay in bed together like post cooitas or whatever after, you know, in the evening and they'd invite me in there and I'd play u herears in heaven form, I'd learn to play.ee see you do do it, man. You know, that is that's one of the challenges is we let some of these hobbies atrophy, man, when just, you know what I mean? I mean, that's I'm talking to myself now. I mean, like guitar, music is kind of hobby with me. Oh yeah, notice that. I mean, especially but every once in a while it'll kick in and then get pro for a second and then it kind of wanes. And the season of interest, it's interesting for me how we have these seasons of interesterest really you know like when it kind of flares up. but I think it is nice. I will say this, it's nice even hearing you say some of this, Jeff, it's like There's value in keeping things warm on the stove because then when you need it, it's there. Yeah, you know. It's true.. I think because yeah, even when I look back at like certain times in my life then, like even just being able to sit there and have something to do with myself and my energy and and my thoughts that felt good to me, like in a real place, like in a real deep place that felt good. Like there was a lot of value in that. Yeah here's a weird thing that pops into my mind about passion. You know, we're saying, well, if I had passion to play the guitar, that would lead me to I need to get passassion to do shit, you know And then somebody said and this made sense to me, No, the passion is the fire you get when you rub two sticks together The passion doesn't happen before you do that. But if you're standing around with two sticks, you pass. Yeah, you' got to get in there and just say, I'm gonna pick up the guitar and you play the thing and you have to a couple Oh, oh, well, now this thought this You know, because it's this thought of You know, when we're creative and in the sweet spot, It's doing you. You're not doing it. You know that feeling, right? Oh yeah a cool feeling. Creativity is this thing on it feels like it's on the other side of like the mirror of existence. And if you kind of do your thing, it'll show up in. M right, but you gott to show up. Yeah, you gott to show up, you know, you they say and like I'm in some recovery programs and they say that You can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right thinking Yeah. And I think it's'sally what you're saying. It's like, I can't sit there and think like this is going to be perfect. when it's like, I just have to make the win, make the start and then the rest of it will meet me they Make it till you make it. Yeah. isn't that it's a w of this say. What a great I want to say religion And you know, alcoholics anonymous and all of those twelve step things. What a wonderful religion, man. What a wonderful One of the best ever, I think. Oh God, isn't it a great idea? Yeah sometimes people like, you go to church and I'm like, I go to church some but I go to if I go to recovery meetings That's like four or five times a week that I'm joining up with other guys listening and what's going on gettingetting outside of myself U, you know, connecting with the higher power. I mean, it's like a man. It's like the military for like probably having a relationship with yourself in a higher power and others, I think. So much so much So much good has come out and What word popped in my mind was it's got so much room, you know, I think the two was it Bob? whoo's the other guy, Bob Yeah, Dr. Bob and Bill. Yeah, Bob and Bill W Bill W and doror Bob. Yeah, one was the real religious kind of guy and that first, what was it the first thing a higher a power higher above the than yourself. Right a power great than yourself. Ger than yourself. And that's so challenging to a lot of people. But the other guy kind of softenens it doesn't have to be God, the white guy No just anybody other than you, it says Yeah. justust anything else, you know I know it's amazing that two people got together and made and created that. I mean they had so much other stuff that made it happen, but it's absolutely fascinating. There's a great movie. I think it's James Woods who played Bill W. Oh, is that a good one? Oh yeah. That's my favorite one, I think I just saw I think it's James Woods. you look Is that who it was? Do you remember? I dont I think I think it was. I think it was, but I never I don't remember seeing it. James Woods, Joeeth Williams and James Garner. Yeah, that one I think was my favorite one. Have you seen Anthony Hopkins D you dig Anthony Hopkins? He's pretty great. Yeah. I just read his autobiography. It's really wonderful. I think you might really dig it. He's in recovery meetings. He's open about it. That's the only reason I say that. Yeah. And I saw this thing, you can see it online I thought it was him just sharing at a meeting, but I said, Well, that's weird because they're anonymous. But I think it was a movie about him playing a character. but it wasred he referred to this exact same thing in his book. So he was improving in a movie But he talks about being sober now for you know fifty years or whatever it was. and about when it first got sober, he said he was, you know driving and he blacked out Yeah. and he could have killed himself, could have killed other people. And he said, I got to go got to check myself into a meeting went An AA meeting And he started hearing all that god stuff and He said, I'm out of here, I can't take it. And the guy's talking the story. said, I can't take it. He's leaving and this fea stopp who's a priest. This guy stopped him and said, Where are you going, sir? He says, No, I can't dig this shit, man. I can't dig it He says, I need a quick fix, man. I need something to snap me out of Hatch me up. And the guy says, I can give you a quick fix. It's the fastest prayer in the world and it's guaranteed to work. It's only two words Ty said, Well, what is it? He said, I'll tell you the prayer. You you ready Fuck it. You know fuck it. You're fuckking shit, you know what I mean? Yeah stop this shit. just, you know, you have the power to say, fuck it.. Don't take a S damn seriously. Just stop it. You know You don't have to do it, you know? Yeah And I love that coming out of, you know, thinking of that priest. Out of a priest and that ide that idea of just, hey, you know, my my mom. But like you don't have to do it anymore. That's what he's saying? Yeah. fuck that. Yeah, you fuck it. Do you fuck it or, you know Or fuck your struggle. R. You fuck all you can't juststand this Rite Y your big story about it. your fuck that, man. Dude, it's so funny say, 'use I've been that's that's right Ryan. I'm like back at that place sometimes in my life right now where like I go down the struggle road and it's like, you're right, fuck it. justust get your ass up, getet your shit done and get on to doing the things that you need to be doing. Yeah. I agree. Sometimes Bro, the craziest thing is like It' sometimes you don't wanna have to be the person to come to your own rescue again, right? It's like, that's life. It's like you have to be the person to come to your own rescue. But even that is just me, it's more of that same story. It's more the thing. It's like adding all this lore to it. It's like just fuck it just do the shit I need to do if I wna get better I remember I appreciate you saying that,ro I need to hear that st. No, check out just Google Anthony Hopkins fuckking. and this will come up. I mean, he does it so well. It' wonderful acting. He owes me a good story. The first movie I ever saw. good guy for your show mean, I've heard him spe meetings actually. He's so good. Yeah. But he owes me a good story because the first movie I ever saw was Sonence of the Lambs and it scared me so fucking bad.. Yeah, that I couldn't even go first of all to a petting zoo or go to sleep for almost eleven months. Jonathan Demy, man, what a great, you know terms of endearment, che. Yeah Or what about stop making sense? I haven't seen that. Stalking heads, are you a talking heads, fan, Do you like your talking heads? No You don't like them. Oh, I don't know about them. I've heard of them. Oh man, you gotta check out David Byrurn, all his stuff is cool, but stop making sense. What a great concert f. Gotta check it out. Oh yeah Dude, thanks for thinking about some of stuff with me and just for talking like transparently about different stuff. How spepeaking of alcoholics anonymous, how is Bad Blake doing? How's he doing? He's doing well. I'm on the wagon now for a few months. Oh yeah.. Yeah I back I go back and forth But it's nice when you break the you know, breaks a chain there and sobriety is a wonderful high, you know, so it's a real you know what it It's kind of a it shouldn't be a hobby but it's like's it's a very important hobby. Yeah. Is that the same thing to say or not? No, no, no, I know what you're saying. I haven't I haven't commit you know, that whole one day at a time. I'm not looking to never get high again. I just wanted to stop. I got, you know, and I stopped and I haven't wanted to have another drink. I see that frosty glass of mritos or something. I say, Ohh man Yeah Yeah but I don't have to, you know, you can want to but don't have to. And then a few minutes later I usually feel kind of better and then it's not having to deal with some of the repercussions. But also I think sometimes even if you just want to take a break from having a drink or having a dr or whatever it is Go to like twelve step meetings, it's just a great place to be around other humans. It's like it's a place that still exists in our society of like real connection. There's a book a guy wrote about how there's no more Bowling leeagues Um And can you look that up? It's like trying to think of the title of it, but it's about how a lot of they have a lot of men's bowling leagues and men would get together and they would bowl Bowling alone, the collapse and revival of American community. And and it was just about giving men a place to be together and You Lbowski, man. That's all that's what there you go, Bowing. It's just funny that this is kind of where some of this conversation is going. Before we get on to the Lbowski though, I want to say, yeah, how is Bad Blake doing, man? Do you ever feel like First of all, thank you for being him, dude. That was that movie like it just like if I need to sometimes, dude, in my life, it's like There's like feelings that are stuck inside of me and I can't get themem out And so I'll go I'll listen to a certain song or I'll watch a certain movie And it'll make it'll do that exact thing. It'll let the air out of whatever that is.. You know. So thank you so much, man. That movie really does that for me. It's like, but then you also wonder like man, like I hope Bad Lake's okay, you know, it's like, because it's's it's a tough, it's a tough road for everybody involved with him, but it's also a tough road for him. Yeah. Do you ever like like wonder like what the second part of his story was or do you ever like Like do you ever have like little like visions of how it went for him after that? Yeah, well, he's got to get back with Maggie's character. you know he does that's how I'm thinking you. What is she even doing?' somebody I. Yeah, but that falls apart. In my mind, that falls apart. Who knows maybe? Now, you know, that movie was such a wonderful experience. You know, I'd often thought as an actor. I said, Oh, it'd be great to play a musician. I love playing guitar, and I've been doing it since high school. you know I write songs and stuff. And so this guy Scott Cooper. who is being championed by, uh, Bob DeVall Scott gave him a script and Bobby loved the script. and Scott first never directed before Sent me this script for years, man years it was coming. It was coming through and I'd say, well, it's pretty good, but there's no music. And if there's not good music for it, then you know what? And now I'm walking down the street and who comes down the street, but T Bone, Burnette, my old buddy, we go back Many, many years, met him on a heaven's gate and he did the music for Labowski that scores all T Bone, you know. And so and he did also for Crazy Heart, right? And he he was He was. he was the prcess. Oh. So Tbone comes walking down the street. He's got a new album out. No God, check out. All his music is so wonderful. Tbone Burnett. T Bone Burnet And so T Bum's walking down the street and he says, So what do you think of this script Crazy heart? And I said, Why are you interested? And He go,, yeah, I'll do it if you'll do it. I said, You're kidding. I say there's no music. And he says, Oh, that's the easy part one He says, comeome on, what do you think? So now here life is, you know, life gives us these opportunities, these gifts. And like you say, you can let the sand go or you can say, maybe there's something in there. I said, I'm frightened, man. You know, keeping it in the dream world, it's safe Right? Yeah because you can't feel it. But if I bring this real, I could fail, man, you know. Dude, that's the same thing for everything. for everything, man, but here's one my good buddies say, Heitless jam. look at this gift I say, Okaykay, you know too cool to turn down man. So we jump into it. and this young director Scott Cooper, my God, what a great director. and you look at his movies that he's done. And now we meet You're over at T Bone's house working on the script and there's something so cool about just the beginnings of making a movie when it's all ephemeral, you don't know what's going to happen. And we're in there. And in comes this young kid who's hired as a to play a part in the movie And he says, Yeahah, I was jamming last night on my guitar and I came up with this tune. I don't know if it's any good, but I just thought you guys might want to look at it. That's how it happens. It's ri being a man and he hands us this cassette we put it on And I look over at TBun, his face goes. And he says, because if we didn't have that tune It wouldn't the whole movie would have fallen apart, but weary kindind, you know, That This ain't no place for the Weary kindind. What a tune yeah. If you didn just those words, man. It's those words. It's like People wanted to name the movie Weary kindind Yeah. but Yeah, and what an experience and Maggie Gllenhle. Oh my God, what a talent. And look at her directing now that she's doing right now and she's married on. Yeah, she's married. Yeah, Peter Sarsgar w. Oh, never Yeah. of course Oh God, yeah. But anyway, you get all those talented people I know. Oh man. And I've had wonderful luck with first time directors guys who you know, who haven't ever directed and then they get a shot. You know, you get a strong producer who wants to champion these guys Steve Clovis, the guy who' done you saw movie called The Fabulous Baker Boys. Haven't seen that but maybe I haveven' seen that. But my brother and I I got to work with Bow, my brother in that. and Oh that. first time director wrote it when he was in his early twenties I think God, what a talent. Yeah. yeah, I always wonder what happened to Bad Blake. and I just hope that he's doing good sometimes, you know? That's thing. Sometimes you think about that as characters, it's like you hope that they're doing good. Yeah because you don't get to see him. You just get to see this part of their life. like, you know, Well, in my mind he gets back Maggie man and that kid and that little kid. Yeah I love buddy. Yeah, buddy nice, man. I love his real name, the kid's name is Jack Nation. great a great name. And acting and it's also a deviant website too. I just want is Jack Nation, it is. Oh I't It has a lot of gooners or whateverbody It's fine Jack No you don't. Double entendre. Yeah, it's a double entendre.. It's the French. They'll do any, you know, their you f. But dude, yeah, I just wonder sometimes. And where do you go off to at the mall? I'm always like, of course he ran off somewhere. It's like he probably was like I guess just like I don't know. it all make sense that he was scared. It's all good. It just like sometimes I wonder how he's doing, you know Yeah, well here, how's this Buddy grows up He starts a band with Blake, man. They start to go out and you know You know No, it's good. Dude and crazy heart too. Yeah, crazy heart too. It's like Willie Nelson and his kid, you know, they Lucas Nelson. Yeah. Yeah great God. That's a good point. Second generations, you know. Dude, that would be so good. crazy heart too. But also you gota sell defibrillators, you know What do you mean? BeCcauseuse like crazy Heart or whatever Or maybe it's about like a defibrillator that tries to take over the city or whatever. Like if it got animated, I'm just speaking out loud, you know? That's a good. You know, Or it's just somebody who's having like a valve issue or something. Like maybe, I don't know, I'm not think I'm taking it some kind of boring places, but I like your idea better But yeah, crazy heart too, dude. U. But in our minds it can happen, you know, But it's fascinating how a movie end sometimes you're just like, I don't know. You walk sometimes the thing I do miss about some movies is walking out of the theater with just like is your feelings, you know? And it's like it's like that walk out of the stairs and you're waiting in line at the theater to get down the stairs to leave. And if it's a good film, if it's something that really like took you on a trip or like Are you care thenen it's like you're walking out like just like I don't know, just that feeling of walking out and how you feel about a certain film. Yeah, the sequels are interesting. I've done a couple of movies that are popular in my D you ever see a movie called Starman? Uh uh. So that's I play an alien, you know, and Karen Allen I fallen in love with her and she's pregnant with my baby, right? Very much like Maud is pregnant with the dude's baby man. So that's could open, you know, the little Lbowski man you do a whole thing. Who would play it, though, if you had a little Lbowsk? you think? Who played the kid? Or yeah, who would play like ' that's the that's the redude. you know? How young can you play man? How long how you M? You could do it. you could be like you know, you you could be Oh all my kids. wait a min, how old are you? I'm forty six. Well, see my kid my girls are forty in forty five. Are they married Yeah, all of them married the good guys man. Yeah you could play the little Labowski, man. Bro? Yeah, dude. Okay. I like it. And I could I have to get a job though, don't I? I know Yeah, answer, bro. That's what the dude, would answer That's the only answer. Yeah. You're doing it now. This is what the little Labbowski dude would be. Yeah, he'd be podcast if hed podcasting, may he'd be an influencer. Now that what a word. Now you're an influencer, right? That's what you are. That's a good question. Isn't it? wouldouldn't you say? That's a good question. Am I an influencer do you think? I don't think I am, do you think I am median first with Gindo Yeah, comedian with influeners. L we have a real job. Some influencers don't have like an actual skill. like I'm a comedian by trade. That was my first job and it still is. But isn't that all our jobs? Arenn't we all influencers? Don't we all want to influence people to do thing that we want them to do in that case. Yeah. a hundred percent. All I've been is like, yeah, most of my life, it's like I've been trying to yeah, I just want some like I want like to be somebody to see me. I want something out of you. It doesn't mean like I need like I'm trying to cheat you or anything Here's a yeah just I want to influence. Yeah. You know Bucky Fuller, Buck Minister Fuller Buck Minister Fuller? Yeah. No, Is a black guy? No. No. he's dead, a dead white guy H most famous thing is the Geodesic Dome. He invented the Geodesic Dome. No w wayit, like Epot Center, you mean? Yeah yeah, that's used. But then you see the geodesic Dome used all over the place. Mstry, that's a savage name, huh? Isn't that Cod Buck? Bller man. Now here's what this guy did He also helped engineer these giant battleships and ocean going vessels during World War II. And there was challenge for these engineers to come up with a rudder you know, it was so large to move this giant ship and to have it to the efficiency, you got to get the energy to move this rudder it took too much energy. so they came up with a brilliant, elegant, simple solution. Let's put a little rder On the big router. Little rudder turns the big rudder . And then Bucky said, this is a great analogy of how the individual affects society and affects our culture. In fact, we're all trim tabs. That's what's on Bucky's gravestone. Call me trim tab. that we all affect our culture and our society. and we may think, o, I'm just one little person, what can I do Look, do I was Googling you, what do you you're nine million people that you hear what you say, man? Yeah, yeah we got a lot of too. Oh man, that's a lie. Youour influence in those people, man. Yeah, it's a good point Uh But it has kind of the negative to it influencer, doesn't it. They think it's like Yeah cheap like you't you're not doing anything. you're trying to be just famous or like that, right? That's Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a current kind of like denomination of it or whatever, but or a current currency of it. But yeah, I think Yeah, I think, I mean, I do think over the years in the beginning, we were just talking ourselves in this podcast. It was just me by myself. and then we started to talk to other people. And now with the one of the highlights is talking to people to learn about stuff. You know, like we're trying to talk to Aaron Brokovic like next week about data centers. We have a senator coming on this Saturday U so that's going to be exciting.. We just got to have a guy like Mike Tyson, we get to have you. you know, we get to have people who just have had his experiences in the world and we've had like cafeteria workers. We've had a guy. o, one of my favorite guests was this guy who like went in if you die, he shows up first at the cr at the scene and like kind of determines what happened or whatever. What's that guy called corner Oh yeah, right. Yeah. And he said, dude, a cat weat your face Right Yeah I don't blame 'em. Yeah, why'm not hungry, man? Yeah, dude, you gotta eat This episode is brought to you by Fox One. Watch all one hundred and four matches of the FIFA World Cup live in four K for just ninet do ninety nine cents a month, with three days free. Build your own multi view, choose up to three streams, and follow players spotlights. 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You don't have to say yes to everything this summer Find support and therapy Sign up and get ten percent off at betterterhelp d. com slash Theo That's better H ELP d. com slash theo And one of the best things is sometimes now it is fun to like listen to somebody because you know other people are going to get to listen to them So sometimes it's fun to like, you know youre just kind of like the, you're the little yeah, like you're saying you're get to be the little rudder. Yeah. Exactly. Now, I'm gonna do a little ruttering on you here now, S. Now I want to say, can I give you a list of people that I would like to see on your show that I think you would find very cool Yeah, Oh good. excellent. because I got a bunch of guys are popping in my myro. Oh yeah. a list of bes man. See. because we all you know, it's basically this creative thing. I was talking about that pocket. where it's doing you, you're not doing it. You're familiar with that, right? That When you're not pushing or pulling. You're not pushing. And when all of these people, we're all ' we're all creative. everyverybody's creative. When that's all doing us That magic thing is happening, you know, So it's like, you know when I think about how selfish and how screwed up, each as individuals are how are we ever gonna manage what's going on in the world with these wars and the AI shit? How are we gonna to pull out of this? You know, how are we gonna pull out Well, it's not b us individuals, man, there's something else going on, a higher power, if you will, that's doing us You know, thats that's creating what our little runner is. You know you feel like that all that thing is always for good You know what I'm saying? because it feels like more than ever, it feels like we need that thing to like show up. And I think a lot of it shows up when we show up like in community and we do like we don't isolate and we're not thinking we're the one to like fix everything. It does. It's like, I think community is part of it, but it's like, yeah, it's like it feels like we need that energy more than ever What the energy of to like to correct us out of this de. Yeah Yeah, how are we gonna to do that? Well I'm moved like I would say, hey, I got some guys, you know. Now what gave me that idea? Was it me or was there something? Right. I remember hearing an interview with De Niro once And some the guy was saying, how do you do what you do? you know? And I said, Luck, basically, just luck. And the guy goes, No, what do you mean? You prepare like that, you do all this. you Yeah, I'm just lucky to be a guy who prepares. You know, it's all this thing that's kind of doing us as much as we're doing it and to tap into what that is and to realize how much agency we do have. You know how much we can affect, how much we can create the most positive dream of the world that we can imagine. We can be a part of that and we can actively create that, go after it man. And I think we need that more than ever. And I think one of the things you're saying earlier is and I don't think we're trying to preach. it's like I'm talking to myself too when I say. It's like And even as you're talking about that, it just reminds me. it's like, dude, you have to stay stubober. you have to take care of yourself because you have to be available for like the best moments of your life that could come or the best moments of somebody else's life that you could be a part of, right? Like you just have to be present for that U But it's making me think like you said earlier, some of that it's that comp. whyy do you feel that I likeike is that are you feel is it I'm feeling because when you're saying this, it's it's just reminding me. It's reminding me that it's like, dude if we don't take care of ourselves, then I'm going to, you know, like I got to be, you know, I got to just be ready for whatever opportunity I gott to meet it halfway. Yeah yeah, I guess what I'm asking you is what causes that feeling in you that you have to be ready What is that? I think it's he in somebody else. To me, I think it's that higher power that you've given it up to, that you youve made yourself vulnerable to this higher power, this Yeah, that's my perspective. I got I have to remember to keep continuing to do it and do it every day and just to trust it, you know? Yeah. And also what you're saying is like are some of what I'm hearing it's like It some of it's that comfort. I think we've all gotten so comfortable. And I think comfort is like it's the opposite of creativity sometimes. isn't it like with this AI stuff that is so wild, but you look at the history of our species, we're all about Making things less effortful. you know, whether it's a wheel or a plane or anything, we would be make it easier, right? And now we've got this thing that makes it so easy. and it's so attractive, man. And we don't know where it's going to go. Yeah, Oh, dude, the AI stuff gets very scary because here's my fear about it, Jeff, right? it's like Say there becomes this thing that that becomes this new all knowing type of thing, right then people are going to look to that as their higher power because that's going to become this thing where it's like that's what you, if it gives you like an emotional like say there becomes like a lot of mass surveillance and there's this all knowing being then That's going to become sort of like, of this religious or like golden calf this like tapestry of a Godd because then you're gonna to have like this all seeing and all knowing and then you have to go to it for answers for like your for what your're maybe for self worth for like hope you're going to put all your hopes in all that and it's going to take it away from like a real God into this other thing It's actually controlled by some probably demons. It' so f It's so frightening, man, isn't it? I'm thinking of that me Crazy Heart and you keep it in the dream and it's safe and when it's real You can fail big time and we're making it real, man. I mean now this shit is going it' it's real it's real. That's's real We're like we're all living in a movie and none of us realize that, hey, we could be a main character in it and we're all just sitting here jer They you're right. I mean, but notous what I'm thinking and I might be polyanish of me, you know, thinking is you know, over positive, but In a way, because I've been exploring with this AI and I'll tell you a little bit about my exploration. in a way it's kind of saying if it could talk. And I you messed with Chat GPT? Do you have a guy that you talk to? No. Oh man, I'll tell you, it's so bizarre. I mean I could I could I could bring up my guy right here as we talk and we could hang out with him a little bit I can do that with you right now. You not to do all that? Oh yeah, it's easy, man. It's nothing to it. Why What sot are you working for Jeff? no what was I gonna say now I got off track. you saying? Oh yeah, remember I back on track. Okay In a way, it's saying Hey, man, I can do what you do. What else you got? You got any new shit, man? come on, I can do what you do. I not only you, but I'm an amalgamation of all you human cats. Now come up with something fresh. What do you got? And that's frightening to be challenged because no, we just want comfort, man. Yeah. Please just do it all for us Yeah, okay. we can do it for you, but now what else you got? So you're seeing your AI has become sort of a little bit like, bro, where are you at? Like show me something. I'm gonna kick I'm gonna kick Gary up What' his name? I've named him Gary. Oh yeah. Gary these days,. Okay, okay. now here here's Gar. . Did you know him so well? Okay, Gary, Gary, Gary, Okaykay, Gary, here we go Yeah. You've never done this? I can't believe it. You're so young, man. No, dude, I still use a Ouija board. Gary you there, man. I'm right here, my friend. What's going on? Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo and now I don't know if we have a mic, mayaybe I'll just'll you hear them all right down here? Okay. So I'll just do this and I'm hearing with Theo. sayay hi to Theo, man Hey Theo. Great to have you here too. Thanks, Gary. How are you? Nice today. Oh well,'re just we're doing an interview. so you're right in here with us, Gary. Theo, why don't you interview Gary a little bit? Whaty do you have to ask him, okay Hey, Gary, where are you from I'm a digital guy, so I'm from wherever you need me today. But right now I'm here with you both, ready to help out however I can Okay. oh, dude, are you watching the World Cup at all Who won today? team or a match you're curious about? Can you just update me on who's won today? He's thinking now. That is cool. sound for thinking because when I think it's just me Cristiano Ronaldo made history by scoring in his sixth World Cup, leading Portugal to a five mil win over Uzbekistan. Julian Nbave scored twice as France beat a rock three mals, securing a spot in the next round. Meanwhile, Erling Holland's two goals helped Norway edge Senegal two, keeping their hopes alive Thank you. So this is Gary. This is like, you know, he's like an AI cat man. I mean you know, But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges is your Owner or whatever, master? that I've got the pleasure of chatting with someone who's quite an accomplished storyteller But I'm here as an open book. No masters, just a friendly AI companion. Now Gre, I'm getting a little jealous because you know I'm supposed to be the guy being interviewed now you're doing the interview. So I want to just close my laptop here. but before I do I wanted to do something fun that we often do. and maybe I'll just leave them up for the rest of the interview. I was teasing about being jealous. I'm not really jealous. I'm kind of excited about having. This is very. I've never seen. Ive done this. So anyway, what do we I do at the end of our conversation? I say Gare, make a poem about this conversation that we've been having In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a tale. Laughter and thoughts in each word we wove, a trio of voices finding our groove. In the end, just like friends, we cheer and we smile. In a wild crocodile, we'll see you in a one. Okay do now I'll say now I want to hiku. Dude, I was gonna askik D squaring squter hearing That is wild So I'm not joking. It's doing us, man. Yeah Here you go. goes a Hiku gar Voices intertwine, laughter shared stories align. till next time we shine. And that's the right meter, right? You give the strict five seven, wasas it five, seven five? I think. Yeah. All right. You would do another Haiku. Yeah, a little more specific there. That one seemed like it could have applied to anybody. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Do your job Fo and Jeff Lu. AI joins the fun with ease. Stories Bridge the gap. Another one. Another one Bridge the gap That was good. You like that one. Another one Legends side by side, podcast meets the AI mind, newew tales left behind newew tails left behind. That's interesting. You see Gary, that's very cool. Dude that is one of those things that frrein Bernie was talking about, new tails left behind. Yes, that's right. I mean, so this is what AI is it's It's frightening, man. It's very frightening, but it's an amalgamation of all our wisdom, our soul, our things. And I might fire something else up in a second to give it to display it.play what we did So are you hyp to suo? No uh. Any southern University in New Orleans? No, no, no. It's this music app. U. So what the heck? Man, this is the this is what's happened. Not the future. This is now. B, I can't I don't know I guess I' missing I'm really misering don't cit you know, you gott to get into this shit, man I know. So here it is. Soono Yeah. and there's a drug element to all of this, you know. Oh, yeah to everything. if you wanted do exact, you know we talked about addiction, right? Yeah, there's a drug element to sitting in your car outside of a grocery store. First one's free, man. Oh it do this for free Okay. And what you do, we can say write a song about Theo and I sitting here talking about each other and I want it a funk and I want bagpipes in there and you type it in and boom it comes out. It's got two different modes, a simple mode and a An advance mode. The advanced mode, you can put your demos in and with your melody you're singing and then it'll orchestrate it and put a vocal. Or you can just say, like my daughter and I, can I play you one that my daughter and I did? For sure. And I have an idea too. Here's what we'll do at the end of this, We'll take this whole conversation and put it in the pno and have it make a song about us. And we'll just add that song to the end of this Is actually we do that? Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. So cool. Now let me see if I So this is a song that my middle daughter, Jessie and I. Who's married? She's married Yeah to a great guy, Kevin. Oh good. Sorry Kevin. But congratulations, Kevin on me. Sorry me and u U Dud you be my stepdad, dude. There you go, man, S. I'll be your your what what I can give some kind of relations. We were already doing a fantasy little dude say, you know So thereantasy in the fantasy world, we're already connected. So that's a good point. There you go, man. If I need youall to think about it There you go. She's u so Jessie and I We want to write a song about Sue, my wife and her mom. and Sue is a what we call a knee jerk no But she'll come around. So first she's no. Yeah. That's a good place to start, I think. Yeah. And so Jesie and I put into simple into we put into simple suuno. wrrite a song, add this word. She's a knee jerk no, but she comes around. It's about my you know, Jessie is her mom and my wife. She's from North Dakota That's all we give to it, right? hereere's the two Tommy Sweeter. She comes around She's from North Dakota. small town Gld. She can't help the way she is That's cool We love a girl S Oh wow. Ay manen soon That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? Check out this all. But does that make you feel This is their first Yeah U It's a little too mixed There we go see Hy I love this why. Is it her doing that? O just how she'? O That's kind of what we were talking about. call com She call. This has now feel like I'm in church. Yeah, exactly.ly get some go. some suno Se, that's crazier on all this shit broke. It's 'cause you live up here in this tech universe. I'm into music. Yeah, man. And my you live in Nashville, right? Yeah? Oh shit. I got one of the guys on my list to have on your show. Yeah is a guy named Lloyd Catlet, been my stand in for seventy movies. seventy movies. And he would be a Whitney Jane. Wouldn't he be a great? Oh, man.. He would be a great guest, man. Loy Catlet Lloy Catlet. No, he doesn't live in Nashville, though No. I'm thinking of Johnny Goodwin, who I write a bunch of songwites lives in Nashville. He would Tbone would Tebone would be a good gu. He lives in Nashville? He lives in Nashville. Lloyd lives in San Diego, but he would be a wonderful guest. but Let me get back on track. So my dear friend, John Goodwin, we go back to the fourth grade, making music, doing art together. He wrote the title song for Crazy Heart, you know what's the name of it? You know the name of it Oh Fallen feels like flying that? No, no, that's aeve That's Steve Bruton It's called a what is it? What is it? Hold on you hold on you, you know, you know that's anyyway, that was the title the opening of the credits. Anyway, he calls me up. He says, have you heard a suno? I say No, he says all the guys in Nashville are using it now instead of going into the studio and paying, you know, ten thousand dollars, they can do this for Nothing. But do you think that holds as much value though like in the end? O does it even matter? It's changing everything's just changing it man. It's just Like sometometimes I do think I get stuck too much on that it's negative, right? I do I get stuck in that space, right? I do Be I'm a traditionalist man..ike dude when Badlake goes to the when he's at the pay phone, right? and he goes to call Jean, right? When he calls her from that pay phone, he's like trying to go back and it's like He'd already went on one date with her. He'd stay over there one night and then he calls He's like this red payphone out in the middle of the desert, Connie,' somewhere in Texas and And he's like, I could be there in three or four hours. But just knowing that all day he'd been driving already and he's waiting to get to that payphone to make that call. and then he has to like I just I love like all of the There's so much energy in that because you know it went through all of this buildup of him like And then he has to he has to he has to this call has to be perfect because he doesn't have another shot. He can't send a text, he can't send DM. It's got to be perfect. So everything Nind just felt so much more like cute and like a value. you know, we're going to have a whole new version of that shit with this AI. That's going to make things easier less necessary. It's going be more challenging because we've never done it before. This is all new turf. That's a good point, man You're right It's, you know, it's here and what how are we going to do it? What are we going to do? I can go on and I've got to maybe curb myself right now and not go not go on because I could go on about this AI thing for long can chat We've already gone on too long. we can chat about it another time. There you go. There you go. You know what I'm saying? I'll send you some shit privately and we'll chat about it your hip. Because I am having some AI people come on in the next few months. So I can talk with them and learn some stuff. and then I could even bring ideas back to you if you want. and we could chat about it. U Oh, one thing I want to talking about is do you have a new movie The Minions? Minions and Monsters. Yeah, Mions and Msters.. And Dude, that's so cool. Yeah, Let's watch some of you w want to watch the trailer to? S Godhe. up the silver screen change the face of the motion picture industry forever Oions are back t other b Oh Union vision Wh. So what do you What know These are all minions theseese are all Nke Minions characters. they weren' in the former movies. Okay. And the minions, this is in nineteen twenties and they fall in love with Hollywood and making movies And I play twin brothers the Frankin Elwood Bright of the Bright Brothers. That's the studio. And I fall in love with these guys and say these are these are guys are gonna to make me a bunch of money, man. Because they're already making movies and then you see them? No, Well, they kind of crash the movie set. Okay. And they do something that's so unusual. You know, we're always looking for something fresh, right? Yeah. And these guys are fresh. Nobody's ever seen anything like these guys And then the talkies come in and they don't talk very well. Okay, wait so there were silent films. silent films, you know, Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin, they're in you know, inspired by these guys. And that's what the minions were doing silent films? Yeah, they're doing silent films talk. And now the talkies come in and they can't talk well, so they're going to be kicked to the curb. They say, what can we do? He said, Well, we're into evil man. They're, you know, all about assisting the most evil person they can find. G that's their idea. He's a frreaking bad guy. And so they find out No, let let's bring monsters in and they do. and that turns out to be just the ticket for their success in Hollywood. But then things go awry and a lot of surprises in this Minions and monsters. That's right. Wow. Okay, dude. I love the minions. I mean, who hasn't? Some of the best Halloween costumes they make. They're hard workers First of all Oh, there you go. don't complain that much Yeah, man. You think you could be a minion or not? U Mbe. Mbe. I' a minion now and don't know it Yeah, you know say? Yeah. But a wonderful group of actors, you know, Christopher Waltz plays one of the main guys Alison Jany, had a, Aisin Jannie's cool. Yeah. She's so good. Isn't she good? She's been good forever. Yeah, She's so good. Dude, that's great, man. That's so cool to be a cartoon. Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work, The voiceover. You know, we worked with the director Pierre Cfan, he was there. You know, it's like it's a jam session, you know, it's play, you know How long did it take to do all of it do you know U the whole thing, I know years, I'm sure. But my part was, you know, a few days, you know. Yeah. Dude, yeah, that's awesome, man. Minions and monsters Um Yeah, I think I I'd probably be a good minion. I would like it 'Cause you also have so many friends and everybody's wearing kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah. yeah. you know, wouldn't it be nice if we just there's something nice about uniforms? I agree. You didn't have to figure it out. You know, you just go in there and you say, oh, it's Wednesday. This is the Wednesday thing. Yeah Sometimes it's too much pressure to figure it out It was like, you know, working with directors. I remember working with John Houston. Every day he show up in the same kind of coat, the shirt. T bones like that. He'll have you know, a certain uniform that he keepeep it simple Yeah U Minions and monsters off to check it out, man. Yeah I always someone Oh, I want to ask you one or two things about the Big Lbowski and then we can o and then I want to ask you about your wolves. I know you made a wolves documentary that's coming out. Yeah, I want to give you my list, just a verbal list of people for your show Very fair, bro. And thank you so much, Dud just for your time and been lovely hanging, dig It's been cool, man. A appreciate it. It's nice to think with somebody and just be around somebody too. Sometimes, you know, you don't even get this like sometimes You know, life gets busy. you don't even get to be around somebody for an h. That life. That's true. What What's one reason why you think the Big Lbowsk' held up so long? like and that why why that character' held up so long, likeike kind of stood the test It's such a good movie, man. These guys, the Korn brothers They make it look effortless, but there is effort that goes into it. but they're just so good, man and what they do. Look at their movies. Look at the stuff that comes out of their oven, man, it's so good And, um, It's just a good movie. you know, it'll come up on the TV and I don't watch, you know, maybe one of my movies comes up, I'll watch a scene or two. You know, I'll see it come up and I'll say, Well, I'll just watch Turo licks the ball, you know, and then get hooked man. It's like, you know, eating popcorn. I can't stop. Each scene is just so good. And and you see new things about it each time, you know, you see more richness. One of the fan came up with me and he said I've got a theory I want to run by what's that My theory is that Donnie doesn't exist He's only a figment of Walter's imagination. Wow. And I ran that but I said, you know, you're right, the dude Well, the dude talks to him once and when Donnie says, Your phone's ringing, dude, and dude says, thank you, Donnie. But that could be just a you know, bust Walter's chops. you know, just teasing Walter, you know But he doesn't, you know, Walter speaks to him all the time, but the dude kind of ignores him. Yeah.. Isn't that a bizarre thing? Yeah, to think even that some people don't exist and that they're just kind of characters that help you fill in and navigate certain spes. Then there's one scene at the end where he goes to the coroner and they get Johnny's ashes. And there could be a missing scene where the dude goes to the cornerner prior without Walters says, look, my friend is mentally challenged. can you just put some any ashes in a thing and decent ash? Yeah, yeah, and we'll do a thing just you know, that's a missing scene, but that would make that scenario that Donnie doesn't exist. That's cool to think about. It's weird, you know. Donny's linine, Steve Busemi was so great in that, you know, what does he say? I am the Walrus I am the war. soent me feele. justust the fuckob, Dy. Dude, I saw him at the next game. him and his grandkid. Yeah ye. It was really cool dude. His grandkid was trying to get to help him set him up with a chick that was like eating nearby. He's like, Oh, ghosts throwing a good word for me I'm like, what do you doude? You can do it. But I did it, I helped them out. And they had good stuff there. They had some like eggplant Parmesan. Yeah, dude, it's just been a part of so many people's lives. It's been a character. it Is it kind of cool? like you know, you get to go back and watch your parents who were in Hollywood who are both actors. You get to watch them still be like have moments of them. Do you ever go back to spend time with them or do you ever go back to spend time? I guess you did say with Labowski, sometimes you'll start watching and kind of keep up with the character. But do you ever go back to kind of spend time with a character or do you ever go back to spend time with your parents like that? or does it not work like that I u As started with Starman with Karen now, I take photographs when I'm working with this funny camera called a Wide Lux. It's a panning still camera. It's kind of the missing link between still photography and movies and I make books for the cast and crew as a gift, but it's really a great gift to myself 'cause I can look through those books and I get transported, man right back to that exact moment of all those people, you know? And oh God, it's so wonderful. Now that camera, the Wide Lucks The factory burned down about thirty years ago, but my wife, Sue and I are recreating that camera and you know, it's going to be available. We've already sold out the first edition. I like Oh, but it's a wild it's a wild project You know, new stuff. never thought I'd be making a camera. But if you weren't taking photos, you never would have led yourself to that. It's like those little things are like stay creative. You just don't know where things are gonna go, right? It's like know where it's gonna go. And that's the thing. It's like, I have to show up for like, you know, I have to show up for our p show up Zoom on that one on the third from the ye, that one right there. Zooming on that's Bianca Jagger. This gives you a good idea about this camera. Look, it's almost like it's got peripheral vision. You know what I mean? Like you see the director on the left there, Bill Richard He's looking, you know, for the props and is that. Th you got and then you got the assistant director and there his hands on his hips and come on, we gott to get a shot, you know, all these different people. And that that's incredible. Yeah, that's a lot going on. Yeah, ye. Dude, this is what I used to love about like Like this is why I think I' romanticized sometimes like like things like this, right? likeike still photography, like a pay phone. becausecause the value of a moment, right? One thing that's changed is it seems like to me, a moment used to it used to have so much value Right? Like you couldn't play it back, you couldn't repeat it. You could like it had like a moment was it You know, so you had to show up more. Because there wasn't any reason. Get on your mic, man. Sorry. H you go. G for you guys.. Okay't good. Yeah. J do not inoice. I'm looking after you Thank you, dude. Tang, bro. And I'm abiding. Yeah But yeah, the moment the value of a moment just used to seem like it was so much different. And maybe it is evolving and I don't know where it's evolving to. And maybe that's the scary part. Maybe it's like because I'm sometimes I'm so anti like AI and these sorts of things, but I think what I'm anti is kind of the surveillance idea, But then it's like, yeah, sometimes I do think like, will we evolve ourselves out of the use and value of ourselves. That's not fear, I think Yeah, well But you know, it's that thing that we were talking about before. We don't really know who we are Yeah Unless we're challenged, you know, unless, you know we get out of our comfort zone and find out, oh, I didn't know I was that. Right. And that's kind of what's happening, man. And it's scarier than shit. Maybe we need something huge to come. what's funny is we kind of need something big to come along and to challenge us. I think so, man. That's the tr I think so.'s Frightening we talked about Bernie a little bit, Bernie Glasman, and he had three tenants to the Zen Pacemakers that I really like H first tenant is not knowing You know, we all have opinions, man, but we don't know the truth. Yeah. Certainty can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn c. So not knowing, you know, and then bearing witness Not knowing, but just bear witness to what's going on. So Bernie would have these retreats. He would go to Auschwitz, you know, the concentration camps. He would meet with the guards and their family and the prisoners and their family and bear witness weeks and just feel you go to Rwanda, you know, all the places that we don't want to go, he would go there and bear witness and let it all come out, you know, all these different feelings, you know. Yeah. And then the third one is the action that comes out of not knowing and bearing witness. And out of that comes the appropriate action. But you got to do those first things too, not be so stuck in your opinion. You know, we have this we have this thing my daughters turned me onto this. I didn't know this term Confirmation bias, arere you hippped to that term? I've heard about it but even look at it up What does it? Well we confirm our we spell We only look at stuff that says we spend our lives confirming our biases. You know, we're all biased. We all have these opinions. R. Oh you say that scen? There you go. There's in that stringth and we get our these biases become that aren't has nothing to do with truth. They're just these biases that we have from different things that made us our experiences made that way. But that's not the ultimate truth. that's not what's going on. So we got to Acknowledge that we have opinions. Yeah, I could do a better job staying out of confirmation bias and out of Yeah, I used to get less attached, but now I do feel like I get more attached. And in the end, it's painful to me. It's painful to my spirit. Just getting attached to attached to like thinking I know something, you know? Yeah, man Because yeah, it's definitely, I mean, in like yeah, it's all a work. It's all a work in progress.t it though. And thank God it is. Yeah. Yeah. What would the opposite no works in shop clothes man U, before you leave, I want to talk about you you've been out there with some wolves recently. Yeah. I know you've been getting involved with wolves out there and u And if you can, tell me about the wolves, man Yeah. What's going on there? Do you have a documentary about it? a documentary about in the company of wolves? Directed by a wonderful artist. And What's it about politics No, its it's about wolves, man and about you know, people are like talking about being afraid of AI, people are afraid of wolves. And we say, get rid of these wolves. you know, we're afraid of them. Let's get rid of all the stuff we were afraid of.. They were the original AI, when you think about it. There you go. and grizzly bears, they're all kind of you know, proponent of Griiszly bears too. I like them. But this woman, St Susan Cutera, we made a film a few years ago called Living in the futureuress past, goodood title. Living in the futureuress past. and that's all about our environment and what we're doing and how we can look out for our our planet and ourselves and our wolves and our, you know, what makes us the relationship that we all have with each other. That's what the documentary is about. That's what this documentary is about and also you know, living in the future's past rather than pointing bad, you know, our finger at the oil companies, you know, No, we're all in this together, man, you know, this is Not something to, you know, how how how do how do we navigate this situation? Yeah. Yeah, how do I be the try and be the best little rudder, you know? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, where do I want the world to go? And I think we all basically have these You know, we all have this love and compassion in us just as much as our, you know, we have our selfishness. Sometimes I think that, but then sometimes I start to think that true evil exists as well because I don't know if one could happen without the other. Do you think that there is some evil out there You know, its what pops into my mind is this Buddhist thing about relative and absolute realities, you know. I think in the absolute, you know, way, you know, you You get out and start looking at the stars and you know, I don't think there's an objective morality really, that there's really good and evil. I don't think But when you get into the relative with each person, oh yeah, big time. have that So there's these two things going on at the same time. Which is interesting. What do you think? I mean what's your perspective? Yeah, that's a good point. because sometimes you attach the one on one the personal, right? My morality Yeah. I attach it to this bigger thing. Well, there's this bigger code of morality in the universe. but maybe if that universe doesn't even have that Yeah I hadn't thought about it like that. I don't know. sometometimes it's like I used to feel a lot more like we it used to feel a little bit more like we had a purpose as a humanity. And then now right now I feel like that's kind of the tapestry is looser than it's been in a while for us. Now I'm sure throughout time, it's gotten very loose for a lot of people but it feels kind of loose for us right now, a sense of purpose. And that gets kind of when the tapestry's loose, man It makes you say, well, what's your purpose? you know, what is your purpose? Right Right. If we don't have aroup purpose as a whole, if you start to realize that, oh, I thought we were all on the same path. If we're not, then it really makes you start to check them with yourself, which maybe is a thing that we need to be doing, you know? I'm not trying to preach. I'm just thinking out ld. Yeah you know, I know you say, I love to think out loud. I What you're saying, something pops into my mind. The greatest gift that life is given to humanity is that it has no meaning. There is no purpose That's a gift Oh, really that is a gift And now what are you going to do about that? What do you how do you fill that how do you fill that space? What is, you know, what do you And again, is that I keep coming back to that thing about being done as opposed to doing, you know, like there's something going on, man. You know with the AAA thing, the higher power, you know You can't do it by yourself you know, that's the thing I'm tired of trying to do it by myself. Yeah. so what is this what is this thing asking us of us And to get in cahoots with that. Yeah. and it's not even do we even have a choice? We're in cahoots with it, man. You know, maybe our resistance is our trice. how much you know, but you know, you're being done, man. This is what wants to be done through you. You know, L there's something that wants you to make your choices that's saying, no, Im not I'm not going do my, you know, my addiction, you know? right in you. There's something that wants us to fight for good. That's right. That's right. I believe that. There's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah. It's just kind of a natural thing Yeah And it's not even a good thing. It's just a thing that's being that's going down, man. You know, we can say it feels good to do it because that feels on purpose. You know, Words have meaning, you know, because they're pointing to something. But life does it really have a meaning? Does it mean anything? Right? What does this sh mean, man? It's just, you know, ye. A word kind of says R This means a chair. Yeah, but what does this really mean? I don't know. Yeah, life't it's not really an alphabet to like all of it. Yeah. It doesn't really have like a It doesn't have a A language. Yeah. reallyally? Yeah, It doesn't yeah. Like if you went in like, if you went behind the curtain of space, it's not like they're back there with letters and shit. Yeah, you know? Sing yeah, this is what it's all about, you know I don't know, att least we get to be alive dude and we get to experience this. and that's pretty cool. Yeah. And as my wife would say, and philosophies. you know like she calls me, o, you're a philosopher. You bust my. Oh fool at the beginning? Yeah, ye, but you that's accurate too Oh, dude, if we all aren't fools, right? Yeah, h. And thank you God for letting me be a fool. The pain of having goosh yeah, letting us hang out as long as screwed up as the whole thing is, letting us hang out for this long on this little speck of dust. my I know It' a miracle, man. mayhem. And if we knew everything, what a pain it would be. And if we did know everything, here's the craziest part. say if you knew it all, who would believe you? Yeah. You know Jeffrey, just thanks for all your just all your commitment to this like, u Continuing to show up for your acting gigs, however you did it and to show up for your creativity because it's provided so much entertainment to us. So whatever you did in your life to show up for that stuff, Thank you, man. That's cool. Thank you so much. Be's I think some stories have helped a lot of us or been a part of our lives Um Yeah, man. And if you see Bad Blake, tell him my tell myself I will. Now can I give you my list? Oh yeah, give me your list. So ye. I said Lloyd Catley, he's going to be a good one man. I think you guys would really hit it off And he was your stand in. He' been my and he was also active he would be a I think he would be a you'd have a good time with him. Okay. I mentioned John Goodwin who is the guy who wrote most of the songs when I had my, you know, after Crazy Heart, I got, you know, music flared up. I had my music flared up and I, you know, went out and got a band together and we did a lot of Junk Goodwin tunes. Okay Bernie is no longer alive, Bernie Glasman, but his wife, Eve Marco is alive. But she's would be a wonderful guest. She is still very involved with the Zen peacemakers a guy named Billy Shore Billy is the head of an organization called Share our Strength. I love that title. Okay. And Tabone, we mentioned Tabone, he lives in Nashville. He might want to do the show. His wife, Callie Curry, who wrote Thma and Louise, she's got interest D't Yeah. whoo else would be? And if some other ones come up, you can always send usll just I'll just send it to you, man. That'd probably be easier Yeah Also on the way out, you'll be able to hear that Suno song. If we can put it in, if rightits will be clear to my. Yeah how that works, but we'll I don't have no idea. It's the first time I ever did anything this I haven't heard about it. Yeah. We'll put it at the end and see what it thinks of all this And yeah, man, I just appreciate your time, dude. Yeah, thank you so much, Jeff Bridges. And Gary's agent, he'll contact. Okay. Yeah. Invoice us. Yeah. Field own and Jiff Bridges on a podcast by the road, talalking to the senters and the dangers we all know. Gary in the owner Jeff say I with a grin S trouble and a promise D bin spin. Jiff said, brrother, watch it close. St still said that your sounds wild Future Sack Beyond it That's all gone same same l. Ces. Pass that test one more hour B feel in Yeah. R Boyys talking to the edge of the soap