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Beat the clock on a campaign with a little help from AI And connect with customers in real time, like you've trained for it your whole career That's contentful. World class digital experiences built fast, built beautifully. Create and launch personalized content in an instant across every channel your customers are watching. No chaos, no limits, just open themes. Take your shot at contentful. com Hello and welcome to the TeFa Fotball podcast. I'm not Joe Devine, I'm very much not Joe Devine, but I am Steepsa of Bw and I'm joined tonight by John McKenzie. Hello, John. Hello. Hello and the author and journist, Chris Evans Hi, how you doing? Do doinging very well. I'm doing very well. So we've all sat together and watched Germany too Ivory Coast oneine Well sorry Germany two one Iivory Coast Hi Joe What do we make it, Chris? What do you think I thought I mean it was a very interesting game, the fact that Germany for best part of an hour looked like they were going to go down and go to a defeat following that seven one against Curusal, but changing things up a little bit and I think it kind of shows, you know Great time for me. you can talk about there The power of the coach because those changes seem to change the way the game was going Yeah, your book How to win the World Cup. We're going to talk about that a little bit because we're also going to go in some other themes. We're going to talk about Netherlands five, Sweden one, I'm going to talk about Brazil, Carlo Angelotti some of Agelot' corrections between The first two games. we can talk about Turkey as well from last night and the Scotland Morocco game You on Germany, would you think that Yeah, it was a game that I think we didn't expect to end so well for for Germany, maybe at the halfim turnurning. Yeah, the changes as Chris said made made the difference. and I think It was it was it was to' the cliche game of two halves. I think the first half Germany were very tetchy. I think it was clear that they were worried about the transition threat of the Iivory coast And it seemed like they didn't want to give up too much felt as though they were trying to generate chances in transition or throughbaiting and then and then finding the spaces behind And in the first half I think up until I remember we talked in the in the first drinks break about how The Germans were finding ways of progressing the ball down the left hand side using Nathaniel Brown. He played well, played very He hadad a good game.. But once they gave up that goal through Yandi Manday hitting the byline and gettinget the ball across and then Francessi eventually finishing it The game obviously changed, became a bit more of an uphill battle for them. There was less incentive for The Iivory coaster to get forward. U And in the second half, yeah, I remember saying at half time we're like at some point generermally going to have to go for this, presumably. to get back into it and and they did the they they made some changes U maybe some surprising changes, but Not even and Mary brought on Also Dennis Undv, who scored the brrace. And I think just that injection of of pace. Along with, I think maybe maybe the Iivory cooast sitting back a little bit.. It felt like there were spaces opening between the lines which suddenly made the Germans much more dangerous because I think their inability to sort of generate Separation from markers earlier on because everything was so compact and you they don't have a ton of players who have the physicality to be able to just kind of break out of those scenarios suddertainly meant the game has sort shifted in their favour and they got the goal in that way. There was quite a nice build up move where they just played it through the center, moved it out wide to Miri who played it into Unda for the equalizer But then the game became quite transitional, right? It sort of opened out and We said during the the stream like there's going to be a goal here. someone's going to score. We just don't really know which way it's going to go. and there was a possibility that asuman adingra had a chance at the back post which he didn't get the first time shaw away. and And then in the end it felt turnedough to score the win over Yeah, like actually Chris, I'm going to ask you this. so If a D dinger gets his timing right in that moment, puts the chance away, Ivory Cast win We're talking about a really well managed performance? That was my instinctive reaction to it. I think so. I mean this is, you know football is it's all about moments, especially at this sort of level. but I think also international football because of the nature of how it is I think it is a little bit more of a throwback and therefore it can hinge it is those moments the players doing something. it can be someone finishing, someone not finishing that makes all the difference and it changes the changes the entire narrative. and I think You know That's not just about we talk about how Iivory Coast has it, but what sort of pressure does that put on Germany as well? I'm I think this is the level of what you've got. You need to have the right players who are taking the you know, those chances at the moments, which while the biggest teams always seem to end up come up Trumpps in the end. but also, you know, nowadays we look at how many subs So Dinger is there, but then you talk about Undf coming on and you've got someone who is a finisher is who takes those chances and that can be the difference as much as kind of we say, you know, Nagsman changes, his subs make the difference here, but also it's who he's got available to be Hang on because anyone could say, you know, Germany needed to change So they did It just so happens that he's got players he perhaps took the chance Ding't What was interesting to me is Undav is the obvious change, right? Because if you need a goal, you put Indav on because he's a snapp of opportunities, he moves probably better than any other fward in that German side. The interesting one for me was a Miri who ends up creating the first goal because That's a really brave decision by Narsman because back in Germany, if you take off Jamal Masala and replace him with a guy from Minz and don't get me wrong, Nadima Miri absolutely deserves his place in the squad, but it's a that's going to be contentious if it doesn't work out. So it's super, super bold andant brilliant ball and people who have watched their fair share of minds games over the past few years with have good growing used to sing and produce in those sort of moments Something I did want to get to is a bit of a broader take about Germany because I feel really conflicted because Ultimately, they qualified now for knockout rounds the first time since twenty fourteen ust twelve years and And yet I don't feel any better about the team as a whole Reassure me, John Yeah, it's a bit of a chastening game really for that, wasn't it? And I think it comes down to the players available And you know, you're much better plac to talk about this than me, but what I will say is that Julian Ngsman, you know, I feel like you're always caught between on the one hand, saying you know, Nugsman is doing an incredible job with what he has. But then the sort of flip side of that question is why is it that they seem to lack certain profiles that might make his his job a little bit easier? So we were talking, you know, you take you take off L Royane and you're left with, you know leveveling And that's pretty much it for your like wide options. You're playing Floy M Vits as a wide option. Is is he a Really a winger? No, not really Um There's certain profiles that you just don't think of there in terms of I think, you know, the physical the game has become so physical and a lot of the player profiles on that pitch are not going to be physical in the sort of dominant way that a lot of elite footballers are now And so you then have to make certain decisions to cover weaknesses, right? So Yoshua Kimick, for example, will play will play central for for Byon and usees technicality central, but then Naglesmann't going to use him them there because he wants to have a little bit more solidity in the midfield. So he goes with Pavovichin and the Meta. And then, you know, we talked about it before, like Nathaniel Brown like you're you're making a you're making lots of upside downside decisions all over the pitch because you don't have players who are so well rounded that you can be like, we can put this guy on the pitch and not worry about him because in and out of possession he'll be able to do everything. And so you end up doing you have these sort of like long chains of like upside downside, how do we fit things around to try and get the most out of them? And yes, it then very much looks like a a team that is built around lots of very technical players who maybe don't have that explosive physicality. And then you're relying on Florin V, Jamal Musala to have to be the difference makers. and both of them, I think we've talked about this before, both of them have not had perfect seasons to arrive into this tournament with form. So As a result, it feels like Yeah, Naragsman is doing a lot with a little, but at the same time it does raise bigger questions potentially about Why is there such a little available for Germany in this sense? This story about like where's the next German number nine coming from? That just goes on and on and on because the theory is Right, Germany cracked the ability to create marie Getas Gve got marriag Guts unt the cows come over. all sorts can play lots of different roles technically perfect, but where are the kind of the old specialists And I suppose U have And that to me is super interesting because he started his career playing Reional League of football, which is the fourth tier in Germany When Germany were busy being eliminated from the twenty eighteen World Cup in the group stage, he was only playing a Dritleiga level, I think back then. In fact, that was as recently as six six years ago. and now you have this guy who Kind of unorrthodox. he's got a strange body shape. He's a bit sort of centaurish, right? Like he's got the kind of the size and the width to hold off defenders, which is really useful instead of that Ed and Hazard way and he comes up with a perfect touch. So two reactions, one, brilliant that Germany have that facility too big concerned that they needed it Let's talk about Ivory Coast a little bit, Chris because we were talking before we started recording about Yandi Manday What do you make of him? Becauseuse you probably won't have seen that much of him live so far. What do you make of his performance tonight? Or today, wherever you are in the world Well, I think he seemed to be the one, didn't he who looks like he could offer something different. mean. John youve spoken about explosiveness. and I think we've seen in this World Cup already that actually some of the best attacking displays have been when there's been that opportunity for something explosive. Certainly we've had Big scores, but actually when it's been a big score against what's been considered a good opposition It has been that explosiveness. So DMande, I think that's why people are speaking about him so much because he does offer that. he's He's got a lot of pace. he goes and he was He looked as though he was going to be the one who was going to unlock Germany and I think we spoke earlier as well around, I mean, you mentioned Kimish, but is how where that space was going to come from as well. And he seemed to be pererfect for him. Obviously, it's a little bit more difficult. I mean, I guess he's going to find that. as the tournament goes and you know, Icased have points and they've got Cossel next, you'd expect them to get to the knockouts and I think it's really how How does he deal with that focus because the more he does something, the more he looks dangerous even in moments peopleople are going to be putting them under pressure in a team where there are perhaps you know two or three stars he's got to deal with that and he might find that it's not as easy as it goes as it goes on, I think Okay, we're going to take a very short break and then I think we're coming back with a bit of a rondo Introducing the Ttal Solutions advantage only from Comcast Business. It's the largest fastest fiber powered network for small business, gig speeds with equipment and security included and a five year price lock No one does business like comcast business Let' Sitch today. 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And if you get One of those answers wrong. Yeah, thenen you are ejected. That's the correctject. You were ejected from the Rndo. If you dilly dy, you take too much time And you'll also be ejected from the Rndo L gs So We'm going to start with Chris as he's the guest. and you also get a freebie because you are the guest. So Anyone who started Germany seven Brazil one. This is twenty eighteen. twenty four. twenty fourteen U'm F so difficult. It's Avy Louise Correct Seb Manuel Nooyer. Correct. Tony Crows Correct D only do that He' so love us B to Chris Um This where I My generation did Andre Sherl the star I didn't, but because you are you have a freebie, you get a freebie. Stink's in my head. didn't start You going get free, you're going gonna pass me off you get to go That's not that no, you're still under pressure. Um Germany W Cup winning school tell you what, when I listened the other day and I heard about Someone saiding I have to say here, Chris, I think you're ping this is not my first Rndo. When the moment when the moment comes and you're kind of like in that. When you're in the crucifin is where you're saying All I'm thinking about the playays that didn't play. and I'm thinking about Namar and. U And then I'm thinking about Gts who wouldn't have started either Ryan, I think needs a little bit more harsh moderating here, please. I'm going to give you one guess, one name. give me a name. I'm All I can say is your face, not a German face. I didn't start that g U wouldould it have gone worse had you done so depends which side Kimmish Kimmish for side Did he not? No, you are out, unfortunately, Chris. You've been objected. Seb, Samy Kadira we could do we did start that game. You know the name that I think is very funny is Christop Karmerstone, the final But he didn't start this game. I don't think. So I will go with Who will I go with We have one Brazilian so? Yeah, I was going to say, we should probably go for some Brazilians. Casamio playing that game before his time D did not play in this game So said I need a correct answer from you to be Rondell Ronde deel Ray Almas Millller ' mother did start in that game You could have had Julo Cesar, Mickon Dante Marcello. saidante but then I was like Louis Gostavo Fernandinio, Holt Oh Oscar It's hard to see how they lost seven mon. Bernard. Of course Did Bernard start that Bred? Fred start up front Philip Lam Jerome Boang, Matt Hummels, Benedict Hoveris Bastian Scheinsteiger, Meser Urzel or Mirorslv C. There's so many names that we should have got there. That's embass. Congratulations S. Thanks very much. Thanks very much.n't gimm me, wasn't it that one You know, you win a Rondeu del Ray and it it doesn't really matter. It's like the three points are the three points winning by an inch or a mile Let us This is not winning by an inch. This was winning by mile. Let's talk about Netherlands five Sweden One. Chris, did you see this game? No I trave into the office. I saw the very the very end of it. So I'm going to go to John and hey John, one of the things we said when we were watching this is it feels like the Netherlands produce this performance once every tournament And we all kind of buy into it and oh my god, they're actually really good. What do you make of it Yeah, I was quite critical of the Netherlands for their game against Japan becausecause how critical were you? like what kind of cr? Did you wasas it one of those where you were critical and then regretted it the next day when the internet turned on you? No, it was okay.. Dutch seemingly don't listen to. I hate you. donon't care. Yeah. Probably the latter. Who hates you the most Mm. Jo probably But yeah, I thought I made a video about this and just sort of talking about how the Dutch approach to that game against Japan was quite disappointing insof as The players were sort of draped across the field and it had that sort of feeling of a of a Ronald Kouman side where it's kind of like as long as the players are roughly in their positions, then they should be able to find solutions. But there was a real lack, I think, of trying to generate The word I've been using all the time this tournam is tensions, but like these little mini dilemmas on the pitch, right where Maybe you're trying to skewer a fullback. you're trying to say, should this fullback step forward or should they stay deeper? And if they step forward, then they open out the space which is then exploited And there was plenty of examples, I think in that game where the way that the Japanese were setting up out of possession was giving a lot of scope for Denzel Dum Fries to take a more advanced position, more dangerous position, creating that tensent to make it harder for the Japanese team to actually defend it. and they just they just didn't happen. They kept their fullbacks And it almost felt like they were letting their opponents off the hook a little bit.. Whereas in this game, I felt as though they made a lot of those those changes. Obviously Ronald Kuman has watched my video. That's the only Solution I can think has happened here, but But yeah, it felt as though they were they were they were doing that. There was a lot more movement, there was a lot more I think conscious decision making to et have the players put themselves in difficult positions for the opponent and as a result they were they were they were pretty dominant in this game, I thought. You think that maybe You know, Coman before the game started just projected your video onto the dress ro. I think that's exactly what happened I can't think of anything. I just walked out and said, just watch this and then off you go. An incredibly basic tactical observation by me couldn't possibly have been perceived by anyone else. I've got a very basic tactical observation. I thought Brian Boby was really good Really, really good just because I like an old fashioned target man, but I think he's more than that. I think obviously he has a big size advantage but knows how to use it. technically he's pretty good too. like his first touch for the opening goal But first during the sequence which led to the opening goal which he scored, but the one in, you know that began the move absolutely brilliant. Chris, what did you make of? what did you make of Broie season in England Well that is London. I think there has been a sort of trend that you start to see these sort of Strike is popping up a little bit more again, aren't there? But he was such a such a handful Yeah And I mean, I I love it when you kind of see a little bit more of diversity within teams and you do something a little bit different. and Sundland and By up top was exactly that. I think it's be interesting because I think he's done that in the Premier League and I think certainly when if he's going to be used by Coman a little bit more in the World Cup and clearly it worked work today that change whether that is actually going to be kind of like a secret weapon for for the Dutch in a sense that teams aren't used to dealing with that in the same way. because you saw that in the Premier League that there were some defenders that didn't didn't quite know how to do that because he was that sort of like such a different sort of profile of striker. and I wonder whether, you know Cub football you kind of adapt a little bit more, you've got a little bit more time there. And whether because this is then, here you go, here's someone who's playing for a competent side who's going to do this to you, how do you deal with it U so I think that potentially his impact I'm against what are probably lesser defenses than he is in the Premier League could be a lot a lot larger. and I think we've seen that a little bit. I mean we speak but of undavil Germany But actually when you've got a problem to fix, you find that solution and whether Broby actually takes Netherlands and being kind of like, you know spoken about as being kind of are they going to be in there and we say that there's so many different dark horses. couldould he be the difference for that? I wonder because he he's doing something completely different to A lot of what we're seeing elsewhere by all the rest of the top sides. So I'm going to ban the term dark horse for the rest of the podcast just because the chat really hates it. really hates it. so just I' There are so many dark horses, well? There are a lot of dark horses, Yeahah, but we're not going to talk about them at all. Hey John Sweden U what because they were por us in a way like The Dutched well, definitely. but That was not a Swedish performance that I really recognized. They might be the first team in World Cup history, I think to win their first game five one and lose their second five one. That feels as kind of Yeah, it's pretty difficult to understand that What better question. What is actually what is the real Sweden Interpret that as Interpret that as you want. can you can't win anywhere like five one win or the five one los. No, I just mean he doesn't even need to be about football really you know. What is Sweden to me? Yeah what does it mean to you Good question I'm thinking of the Momens Okay I'm going to narrow the question down. so admittedly it is quite broad. So Anthonyanga comes on in the second half and before it really before the scoreline really ran out of control They had quite a good moment, quite a good sort of ten, fifteen minute minute period. Now when that kind of thing happens, what are we looking at? Is it an actual change that's occurred in the game or is it the Dutch saying in difficult conditions, in a tournament situation where you've got a lot of games in quick succession? Is that just a game state situation Yeah, I think it's it's Super hard to Control games for ninety minutes, right? And Yeah when we say control games as well, right? there's a number of different things we can mean mean by control You can control games by possessing the ball and not letting the opponent have it You can also control games by letting the opponent have the ball and not letting them do anything bad with it, right? And I think it's incredibly difficult for teams to be able to shift between different ways of controlling because those require different skill sets, right? So we've just talked about the Germany game where we said in the first half they had to play quite slow to make the most of their technical players But then in second half they started speeding it up, right? And they got the upside they got in the first half by playing slow is that you're getting the most out of your players. The downside is that if you play slowly, it's maybe harder to break the opponent down In the second half, you start speeding things up, but then it becomes harder to defend the situations that you're creating as well. So For me, yeah, the the f and ill when when then the Swedes pull one back for me very much a case of It's just tricky for for the Dutch to be able to control the game with the ball for the whole time. and so there's going to be periods where they just drop the intensity down and they accept you know, maybe that will result in some poor moments here and there h but you got you have got to, I guess, u move your way through a game and allow these things to happen. So Yeah, I think for me, it's that's the most interesting thing about tournament football.' like how do teams, you know, there for example, And Donia Rola at Bormemouth. H te we go His teams often get into w of get into winning positions because they play really intense football. But when they get into a winning position the game state changes and as a result, they don't want to play with intensity and chaos the whole time because intensity and chaos is suddenly a bad thing when you're in a leading in a leading position. And so One of the onene of the things that we've seen, I think, through time with his evolution in the Premier League has been the ability to develop ways of being able to control those things. Th Those kind of situations are fundamental within international knockout tournaments, your ability to to have different solutions at different times in different situations. We even talked before about how One game stay impact can be the format itself, right? So if you're in a situation where you know need you only need to have one point to guarantee going through Yeah, that's going to change the way that you're playing, right? You are then treating a drawing game state as it were as though it's a winning game state. And I think that it's so hard to to actually train a team to be able to do those things. You know, it's fine to be like, okay, we're going to try and score a goal in this way But you're obviously not going to try and score a goal in this way the whole time when you're on the pitch. you have to have other ways of doing things as well. So yeah, I think it's a really fascinating aspect of tournament football in particular So I have to issue a vital correction before we move on. The movement is are finish Yeah, but Tvy Ananson Yeah, who created wrigggle out of this, right? It was Swedish See, as I was saying that I was like a bet the people in the chat are going say like, W, that finish. But Is that your very finest impression of the people in the chat? Yeah, that's how you imagine. But I'm in the TFo chat. But I see myself as slightly more educated than most people and therefore feel justified in saying really quite small, niggly things, which are sometimes wrong. That's how I see it. What I find fascinating about that is you've done our voice for you for them. Yeah, you know the way that you view me? Yes. That's how I view the chapman That is fascinating. That is fascinating. Producer Ryan, is it time for us to move on I'd say so, yeah. You'd say so No, I mean from the game. I mean this sort of reportee will continue for much of the rest of the world. look at Toey Yson ake another break if you like. We will take a break. 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Did you see Herces' defeat last night to Paraguay I watched the highlights this morning. And wellow, it looks like what a a special performance, I think quQuite how they managed to lose to so many chances and not for the first time this tournament either Fell like I watched the whole game back and it felt the amount of times that they went through the phases, they worked around the box And they kind of lost patience or belief in what they were trying to do when someone just took a long shot. It was it was it was it was almost like a it felt more like a mental collapse. I don't know if that's fair, but watching it because they technically they were superior, I felt but it didn't Yeah the lack of execution was pretty pretty surprising. and also actually, I've been reading up on some of the quotes players have given to meia around the world since and It's brrutal. It's brutal. The words are ashamed and we've let everyone down and you know, they probably have because they should have done better than this, but still funny old team turkey in this tournament. Well, I mean, the fact that they're talking about that shame, there's so many people coming out to talk about that shows the possibly a key part of what was going on. I mean, once they're out on the pitch, there's so much that you can do and they were creating chance, obviously had an extra player as well And it just, you know, it seemed like a matter of time, but Actually okay, I'll correct that. It seemed like a matter of time until it got towards the end and you thought it seemed inevitable they just wouldn't score. They were finding new ways to not score or you know findind ways to get bad luck. I'm And you know, but that's all part of it and that's actually from an international team having that sort of national attention and knowing what's going on back home and what people are saying and especially the group that have looked at that group and thought, yeah, you know eight third place teams going through. We've surely got to do this, but then after two games to to go about in the way that they have. is I mean it It must be There can't be many other games that we'll see at this World Cup where a team will contrive to lose in quite the same way as they have done there and And, you know,'s it's such a shame because they look to have you know, they've got something a little bit different. They're they're quite exciting. they, you know, they're quite you know, for a team that looks to be quite attacking as well to have kind of, you know, hit another nil is is quite an achievement So we've got a question in the chat and I'm going to ask for both of your opinions on this. The John Tron. size thoughts on the Amaron read the rule and enforcement in general. So obviously The John Trony is referencing the red card for Almoron for covering his hand while speaking to an opponent. I think my take on it is it doesn't really matter I think of the law. it is the law and it was quite clear and the footage I've seen is very clearly did it And that's kind of the end of the discussion, really. The debate about whether the law should exist is a different issue. but I think as well, the law should exist, right? The reason the law exists is Exactly for the reaction to the Benfrin.. Eactly you know, alleged homophobic abuse, but alleged racist abuse, right? Neither of those things is good. So the law was brought in to stop that and so absolutely it should exist. As you say, the laws were implemented before the tournament. Clearly what's happened is that Megal Almon is just sort of So used to doing this It's muscle memory. I would thought My plan has been doing this for a really long time. Aiding by the rules is still your responsibility, but I understand how it happens, I guess. People will say as well, you know, o, we should implement rules about holding a set pieces and there'll be seventeen corner seventeen penalties, but Eventually the players will learn not to do it. And I think this is the same thing, right? It's like there's going to be some seemingly incredibly harsh decisions which will which you need to go through in order for the players to not do it anymore. If you don't if you don't make the hard parts, you know hard then then the players will never get used to finding ways of stopping doing it, right? So I kind of feel like that about this. I'm kind of like, it's a good rule. It should exist and the players need to learn not to do that The the adrenaline got the better of the referee in the moment though. like that is That's how you send off a player. I really, really mean it. It was very school mastery. Like I feel like he misjudged the acoustics in the stadium and just how powerful his mic was because he really went for it, right? Okay, let us, I tell you what, let's talk about let's talk about Brazil because Opening game one one with Morocco, pretty disappointing It feels like this happens quite regularly at World Cups. You get a new generation of people excited to see Brazil play and they've heard the fables and the mists and the stories and all the history. And then they run into a game, which is really uninspiring and pretty unattractive John, you thought this was their three nil win over Hiti last night was a step forward. Why Yeah, a step forward, I think, not maybe like I'm now feeling confident they're going to go downot a zero gravity step. Yeah, sure bound But we went through it on the board and we'll have a video coming out tomorrow morning looking at this, but for me, in their first game They They just weren't getting the most out of the players that they had at their disposal. As we said, they've got some really exciting attacking talent. and they were trying to B upp from deep and get the ball to those players, but they weren't able to do it. There was a large distance opening out between their attacking players and their and their build upp unit. And similarly going the other way Once their attacking players were bypassed in the press, Morocco were having a huge amount of joy against them just carrying the ball through the midfields where Kasio and Bruno Gimarash had to sort of try and cover all of the space that opened out between them Um And it just, you know, it's just not getting the most out of those players, you know? You're not from from an attacking and a defensive point of view. And so in the Haiti game, it felt as though there were solutions that were found by Ancelotti. and Those solutions, you know, I think they tried to mitigate the wide open spaces in the midfield. They brought in Mates Kuna who could drop in and help out in that central space. They had Packeter dropping into midfield essentially to add another player as well. So you've got four players in that midfield. And you've got, you know, solutions for for being able to progress the ball from back to front in theory. But I think the more important thing was is that they just didn't commit as high out of possession and they sat a little bit deeper, they waited for their opponent to come onto them, win the ball back and then they were able to spring these counter attacks, which led to the first two goals. U So yeah, I think Essentially the big change for me is that they've they've taken a team which almost looked as though they were trying to do kind of what you expect to elite sides in in the Wo up to do, which is like possession control, find sustainable ways of moving the ball down the field, etcetera. And then they were like, fine, we're not going to do that. We're going we're going to lean into being a bit more direct look to hit teams on the counter, look to find ways of getting the ball from back to front quicker so that we're getting the most out of our players. And you know in that game against Haiti, they had Rafinia and they had Vinicius Juni.. in central spaces with the ability to attack at speed when they needed to. And they just look much more dangerous that way. And I think Yes, that's what you have to do with these players. you have to try and find ways of playing more dynamically. If you're going to get the most out of bothoth Vinicius Junior and Rafenia, that's the way to do it The big question is going to be how far will this will this take them? And I guess maybe like how will the response be? because I think with the Brazilian national your response back home or response? Yeah think I think back home because that does govern the way that this team are viewed I suspect it will be probably viewed quite positively. like yes, they won three n there were three nil up a half time, right? So I guess the the feeling was, okay, we could go on to win by a lot more here. but the win was was important and I guess the manner of the win was was important as well. I'm kind of interested to see what happens when they come up against a bigger side and they play in that more maybe they they don't press as high, they give up more possession and they look to hit in those transitional moments as we said. if that if the if the Brazilian people decide we should be controlling the game more in a in a sort of we should have the ball more type of way, that could be an issue. But I guess the traditional Brazilian way of playing has been quite direct, has been like players who you know can attap back to front really quickly. I also think in with a head coach like Carlo Angelot with a head coach like Carlo Angelotti, you have a personality you can deal with external pressure like that. Chris, what have you made of his work with Brazil so far I think I mean first of all, when he came in, despite his CV, he comes in and it's quite a difficult situation to cover because I think only England and Uruguay as former Worup winners Prior to Angelosa' appointment had had a foreign coach and from G statistic. So having having come from that Well Brazil are so proud of what they stand for, talk about kind of that traditional Brazilian way of playing that it is difficult for Brazilians to understand, you know, we're having to do this. We're having to move away from a Brazilian. And I think that was one of the key reasons that if Anchlotti was going to take over, he had to go and immerse himself in Brazilian life, which he has you know, seems to be having a great time moving over to Brazil. Yeah I don't think it's the hardest coaching job in the world in that respect And I think he's he's gone over there and he's kind of tried to understand what it means. And you wonder when you look at picks left field picks like Nyar, whether that is is that reading the room. you know, I think So then Goron Erksson spoke when he picked the W cart, he said, well, you know, the twenty third player isn't going to win your World Cup. So now you've got twenty six. but we can take Nyara and kind of build on that. So I think it's interesting that Anntloti made selection. I think he Probably know everyone talks about managing big personalities and obviously you saw the moment in the first game that Venetus Junior kind of produces something. obbviously helps, but he has got this is a big job for him U So it's going to put him kind of put him really to the test. and I think it's really interesting talking about that sort of How is it viewed back in Brazil? So I spoke to Luis Felipppe Gcolari and Carlos Alberto Pererero, who were the last two managers to win I'm, World Cups with Brazil They're not revered in quite the same way as the previous teams were because it was considered that they were a little bit too pragmatic, particularly in nineteen ninety four when you know Perrero was in the same situation when they were last in the U.S that it it had been decades since Brazil had won. It had been, you know twenty twenty four years, right? And we're there we're there again that it's been twenty four years and so He won, but they weren't really celebrated and they were kind of wanted to go a different way afterwards. So it'd be interesting with somebody like Anchlotti with more kind of He's got that sort of charisma, he's got that CV. everyone realizes, you know what he's achieved, you can't turn your nose up at that. So How will that be viewed back home becausecause they are going to have to find another way to win does having Andgeiotti doing it . rather than somebody else, does that make it more palatable. And I think that might actually be when' talking about how that's felt at home. that might be what kind of makes or breaks their tournament because how reactive are they to what is being said about them. Palatable in what sense, explain that to me? Because I think the Brazilians want to play in a particular way. and I think you know, we look at football Football DNA in a different way and where the kind of the ideas come from. but Not ordinarily certainly with national teams, you can follow the sort of lineage that if a team has been successful doing it in a particular way, they think this is the right way to do it. So they will look at it Look at that team of Pelle and then you go through to se the seventy, even in nineteen eighty two, they didn't win, but they played that Brazilian It was hard. And I think therefore, when a team doesn't play in that way and you can see it with other nations too There are questions about that because well, we were successful doing this before. So why are we doing it this way? And I think they find it partarticularly with Brazil where it's so idealize how they do it I think having to kind of slum it with the others and kind of find a way and do it more pragmatically isn't the way they want to do it Yeah it's a really interesting topic because in my mind, like I can't relate what it is to be a Brazilian football f. but in my mind Beyond a certain period and it probably is around twenty four years. the the pragmatism is kind of fine if you get to the destination and your sort of your house style and your ideals can be sacrificed in the short term then I guess. If you have an identity which is as unique as Brazilian football, then perhaps that's not. case and quite a few people saying in the chat talking about Endrich's potential role and what? Yeah, the situation between him and Angelotti and there's quite of memes online about that him not being played. Where do we stand on that? Because at the moment I don't I think Endrick is a good player. I don't see the overwhelming case for his inclusion in that starting side, at least not yet I think this follows on from what Chris is saying because You know, to an extent, I think that the conversation about what this Brazil team should look like is tied up with conversations about what Brazilian football looks like, and often there's this idea of like a corrupting influence from Europe coming in and influencing the play style, which is where that pragmatism, youten is often labeled as that. trying to play like European teams, forgetting our cultural heritage with football and also forgetting what makes us so good as a football team And I think what's really interesting about this Brazil team is that they've got Carlo Anchlotti, who is a European, but he is very much viewed by a lot of I think South Americans as almost like a an honorary South American in the way that his playstyle is he's like a transcendent figure. He's kind of a man of football rather than really a European in mind. Yeah, exactly. And I think what's so interesting about that then is that I think had he been someone who was just viewed as straight up European coach, you can say Everything that's going wrong right now is because we've got a European in charge But they don't really have the ability to do that with Anchooti because I think at least in terms of the tactical approach, they they see him as someone who views football in that South American way, right? with that with that emphasis on on allowing the players to find solutions for themselves and not inundating them with tactical instructions or imposing rigid structures onto the playstyle. And so it feels as though like a lot of the disc The dislike that those the Brazilians have had for that first game against Morocco, it then manifested itself in the fact that he wasn't choosing the right players, right? So him not using Endrich, for example was a big problem. him using Eagle Tiago as a striker was a big problem, right? So rather than it being a tactical problem, it was more a who are the players that you' choos And I think Endrich fits into that framework, right where it's like the reason why he's not being picked is because of the coach and if we had him in, all of these problems would be solved. So yeah, I think it's again, it's almost like a cipher for a bigger conversation about the status of Brazilian football and what the Brazilian football team should look like, but rather than doing it in that sort of over the top tactical way, it's being done like bottom up and saying he's not picking the right players, right? Yes, he understands that it's about the players, but he doesn't understand which are the right ones to be picking Okay, okay, so we've lingered on that section a little bit long, but we're just going to touch on Scotland Morocco before we finish because It was like someone had turned fouls off. In that game it was mad I thought John McGain should have had a penalty. I thought Scott McTome should have had a penalty. I thought Scott a really hard dum by Um Yeah Question mark thoughts Chris Validate my opinion, please. I mean I think there was there was a third decision as well that was was getting questioned, which was when I Lyndon Dykes turned turned the defender on the halfway line and was tripped and I think ye they kind of thought there should have been a red card then as well. So I think there was a lot of they felt there You know, they'd been hard hard done by but I don't think I mean They you know what? they didn't start well enough in that game I thought they played really well in the second half, but in the first half they were really poor. and it's only that doesn't change the refereing decisions. So I just mean it was kind of a little bit of a missed opportunity because I think Morocco were not necessarily there to beaten, but there to take something from in that game, which should have put Scotland in a really good position ahead of the final game, I think Yeah, I mean, I think There is this sort of thing, I mean it's very we talk about again, football identities and what they look like and there is this sort of British way of kind of failing and it being kind of, you know, it might be a referee decision. I don't know what you mean? that's called heroic lense. Heroic failure that happens and I suppose It becomes a bit of a selfulfilling prophecy that as soon as you have a couple of those things happen, you know in the back of your mind, it does switch on a little bit. But yeah I think Scotland likeike you say, they didn't start particularly well. and I think that I would even go back to the first game and beating Haiti oneil. Of course getting a win was really important. that was the most important thing. But I felt at that point, are you going to get to a stage where essentially where we' thinking three points will be touch and go is one nil going to be enough against Haiti in it felt again last night as though there were Do they quite have enough to they've got obviously these star plers got McGinn and Mcominade, but do they have enough around them to kind of convert what's going around and they need the Rub of the green. They need if they're going to have a penalty shot, they need to be given the penalty. And I think it's so important for a team like Scotland and you know, that's why it probably feels it probably hurts even more is realise how important that is. Yeah, no, no I agree with all of that. Okay John, we'm going to go to you for a points of Bad update to close the show tonight Yeah, once again At this point in the show we're supposed to go through all of the points of bad decisions that people have made. That feels a lot. Fs a lot and fortunately for you, we don't have all of the decisions. so What we've decided to do and when I say we, I mean Joe Deivine. Right becausecause the hot news is that Je Devine was behind me. in the stand And now Joe and I are joint first on the points of bad standings. and I've done that in a very bad way because I think you're supposed to start at the bottom and work your way up