Reflecting on Past Rhetoric and Values

You can argue that the New York Congressional primaries are the most important primaries in all of the country. And that's not just because us New Yorkers think we're the center of the universe. The races that are happening here are highlighting issues that are sure to come up in next year's presidential primary, on tech, on immigration, on policing. So today, let's talk to two candidates Who races are sure to have national implications? One is about AI and how and if we should regulate this new technology? I think there's a lot of fear among elected officials that if they try to regulate this technology, it will be the end of their political career. The other is about generational change, representation, and just how far left is too far left. There was a lot of pressure to be Wooker than thatou, right? And that has gotten us to a point where a lot of people groan or roll their eyes. Alex Boris of New York twelve and Daria Liza Abula Chevalier of New York thirteen That's this week on America actually. Letest begin. Support for the show comes from Fetch Pet Insurance Do you have a pet Every six seconds, a pet owner in the US gets hit with a vet bill of over a thousand dollars, and it's almost always an unwelcome surprise That's where fetch pet insurance comes in. Fetch is the most complete pet insurance get paid back up to ninety percent of vet bills. You can use any vet in the US and Canada. All vets are in network. Go to fetchpet dot com slash save right now for your free quote. That's fetchpet dot com slash save. We've all been there. You pop into the shop for five minutes and all of a sudden you've forgotten where you parked. Car P Unfortunately, that lost feeling is what it's like trying to manage your policy with other insurers Here C come out, come out wherever you are. Please. With Gaio, you can use the app to easily manage all your policies in one place. Did this parking lot have a waterfall? I think you've wandered too far, mate. It feels good to find what you're looking for. It feels good to Gaico As simply M Boris, thank you for joining us. We appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Why do you think this race has national relevance or has relevance to anyone who doesn't live in New York twelve? When I launched, I thought it would just be a race about New York twelve about the issues that were here. And three weeks later, on my wedding anniversies, I remember the specific day, leading the future, a super pack of Trump mega donors announced that they were going to make me their number one enemy and spend whatever it took to beat me. They wanted to make an example out of me. They chose to try to send a message to every member of Congress that the cost of having a say in how AI affects our kids' brains or our jobs or the environment, that cost has to be political destruction. And so this race has now become a test of that thesis as to whether we can stand up to this force. Yeah, I mean, and I wanted to ask why we think they decided to target you. Eight years ago, you were at Palanter teechnologies and now the AI industries to your point has kind of named you as a leading boogeyman in their races. How do we get From there to here. You passed the strongest AI safety law in the country. So I was elected in twenty twenty two, the State Assembly. I became the first Democrat elected in New York State at any level with a degree in computer science. fact that I find ten percent cool and ninety percent horrifying. Yeah. I I'm like thinking about it in my head. I said, Oh, I would say that if I were you, but as like a voter. I'm like, oh, that's probably not great. Yeah Yeah, exactly. But I use that background that knowledge to pass laws that actually protect people, right? And It's not about being pro innovation or anti innovation. It's about shaping the technology so that it actually works for the vast majority of Americans And one of the bills in particular that I passed was called the RAS Act. Let's again, stick with this. What did you do at Palenter? So I joined during the Obama administration and I worked on civilian federal projects. What that mean So working with the Department of Justice to close down pillmills and tackle the opioid epidemic, also going after the big banks for their role in the Great Recession. Wh I led the project, we recovered twenty billion dollars for taxpayers from the big banks I worked with the CDC to better track epidemics. I worked with the VA to better serve our veterans. It was about making use of data to make government actually function and work. I feel like people have a blind spot. You myself included just about like the specifics of that work because sometimes I can kind of feel like you say palenteers working with the government to track something better, even good things like disease prevention and things like that And my head goes immediately to like, are we talking surveillance? Like are we talking about like kind of nefarious use of this type of technology? L what does it mean to say this private company is working with the government in those ways? Yeah, it's the right question to ask. and ultimately, we shouldn't be just trusting corporations to make these decisions. This is why you need people in Congress that actually understand the technology and how these contracts work pass a privacy law that we are thirty years out of date of doing and now with AI needs to be updated even more. But the specifics on the ground of the work that I did was data that the government already had access to and making better use of it to actually achieve its goals. I'm going also ask about what was your break with Palentine? It seems as if there was a moment that caused you to leave the moment that made you think, okay, my work here has dipped in from going from like government efficiency or something like that to something I'm more uncomfortable with. Well, to be clear, the work that I did was always in that realm of things that I was working on to improve. But the company broadly started working on other projects. and in particular, the one that was my red line was their work with IC So in the Obama administration, they had worked on things like human trafficking and drug trafficking and counterfeing, right? Border crimes that are not controversial for the government to want to work on and solve And then when Trump comes in in twenty seventeen, he starts pressuring for that software to be used for deportations for civil immigration matters That for me was the red line. And so when they told us that, that's when I plans to quit. And is that still where we are? Like it does seem like Paliner is still kind of like, you know, align with the Trump administration. I think they're way further. You know, at the time, it was oh, we're not going to stop it from being used. Now they're actively building features to make it better at doing that. I mean it has gone so far from from what we were all hitch on at the time during the Obama administration of trying to protect civil liberties to fight fascism, now they're enabling. I can see the argument of like someone who knows these technologies and how they work being a kind of good force for regulator, but your opponents have also made the argument that they never got involved with this stuff in the first place that things like you know, companies like Palanta represented a kind of civil liberties threat and it didn't take an ice contract for some folks to know that. What's your response to that Well, I think they're being opportunistic in how they look at this. You know, I have been very focused on actually making government work. and I think that's a good thing and something that we've been missing in the Democratic Party. And I've also, when challenged, put my morals and my principles over my career and over my financial security. and that was as a private citizen When I was running for office or positioning in some way, that's just I have red lines and I'm not going to cross them. Yeah. R you gave up two million in unvested stock options That's a little gauche to say, but ye that was not to say. I don't know if that makes you I don't know if that's a good thing for your like kind of logic for Congress, but it does kind of speak to the seriousness in which you took it. But it is the truth, you know? And so you know, I'm proud of that choice. I'm proud of how I've moved and you know, I will continue to be that fighter in Congress Before we get to the RAS Act, which I do want to talk about, I wanted to bring up some of the other things that Democrats have told us here, even on America actually specific to the question of AI regulation. We talked to Bernie Sanders about his call for a moratorium on data centers saying that Americans would benefit from a pause button. Is that something you support? Why or I not? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we are rushing ahead on AI before we actually know how to align these incredibly dangerous systems and make sure that they are actually following human instructions or more to the point human morals and attitudes, right? You talk to any of the frontier labs, then they've all said, hey, we would support a pause if it's a thing that could happen.? But you hear this in politics all the time. Oh, if we could change it, we'd do it, but we're stuck here. Okay, let's make it so. like that's the power of government to do that Isn't the argument against if I can embody the others? I heard Senator Gallgo actually told me this on the show. alsoso that something like a moratorium puts us behind the race from China, does not allow these companies to innovate in the speed and which is necessary right now. Like isn't there a reality of a kind of arms race that a moratorium could put us behind If you act solely unilaterally, that becomes a risk. But I think what people miss in that conversation is There's actually a lot more alignment here than people realize. L China is regulating AI far more than anything that's even been proposed in the Western hemisphere. The CCP, the Chinese Communist Party is terrified of an LLM saying the wrong thing empowering the wrong person. And so listen, there's going to be parts where we compete and I support export controls on China. And obviously, there's going to be certain sensitive areas where we're never going to wine, but on the basics of verification of how AI works, on alignment of how AI works, on that research There's actually room for us to be working together in a way to Have this work for humans? We just need to put humans first. What about Sanders's call for public ownership of AI? He's recently announced legislation that would give people a fifty percent equity stake in frontier AI labs? How about that other proposal? Yeah, I have a similar one to take stakes in the labs. The details really matter and I know he's still working on the final language. I don't really want to give the Trump administration full control out of all these frontier labs Having the American people have a stake in them, I think helps as a insurance policy for the potential disruption AI dividend? Exactly right. Can you explain that? Yeah, So the idea of the AI dividend is to give Americans a stake in the development of AI and approaching with humility that we don't know exactly what's going to happen with the labor market. We could hit a bottleneck and it could end up more like past technologies This is the first technology where the makers of it are saying their goal is to replace all human labor. Do doesn't mean they'll succeed, but like when that goal's on the table, government's got to take it seriously. So the AI dividend would raise revenue from a few sources to spend it on things to help protect Americans in this transition or to really just keep their security On the low end, that could be things like Job retraining programs, investment in community colleges, tax breaks for companies that retain workers and retrain them instead of laying them off, right? In the middle, it could be something like a job guarantee. I mean, we have so much productive work in government at the city, state, and federal level we could put people to if we had the funding for it. And at the most disruptive, if it does replace all human labor or something close to it could pay out a universal basic income or universal high income. Well let's talk about the RAS Act because as you mentioned, this is the signature piece of legislation that you passed through the state Assembly and represents a state model for AI regulation that I imagine will be a focus if you make it to Congress. What does the act do The RS Act was such a light touch piece of legislation, but it is the strongest AI safety law in the country. So it says that the absolute largest frontier AI developers. So right now that would really only apply to XAI, open AI, Anthropic, Google and Ma, right? Microsoft isn't there yet, they might be. Amazon isn't there yet they might be. But the biggest of the big, they have to have a safety plan that they make public for how they'll handle risks around what could happen if someone were to misuse it for a bioeapon or how they could lose control of AI or like the really big impact They have to make that public. They have to then disclose to the government critical safety incidents, which we define in the bill as causing a serious injury or death or will imminently cause a serious injury or death And share some of the other basic data with New York state government so that we can understand and be tracking what's happening and keep people safe On the federal level, we need to do that plus third party audits for all these companies and an actual developer duty of care. Whatas that mean? So that means that you take some responsibility for the product that's out there. In other words, if your model is failing your own test or if your best practices would say, this is particularly risky You shouldn't release that to the public. So in other words, The tobacco companies were the first to know that cigarettes caused cancer, but they just denied it publicly and didn't act on it andfolk kept doing it With AI, these companies, many of them are the experts. And I think we should be hiring into government, getting our own expertise, but really it's at these labs If they are coming to the conclusion that there iss an extreme risk here, they can't just bury that. They have to act on it. Right now that incentive doesn't exist. Exactly right So as you mentioned, this was significantly watered down before passage, New York goovernor Kathy Hokel changed some stuff from the original bill. The original bill prohibited companies from elleasing AI models that failed safety tests. that was removed. Penalties for AI companies were scaled back. If that watered down was coming from a Democrat in a blue state, what is the hope for AI legislation, at least on a robust level on a national level, we we haven't seen even willingness to do the first steps of that firm I think there's a lot of fear among elected officials that if they try to regulate this technology, it will be the end of their political career. that there's so much money on the other side. And we've even seen you know leadership within the Democratic Party tell marginal members, hey, maybe stay away from AI. like there's so much money out there. And that to your first question comes back to why this race in particular is so important who are scaring everyone that are intimidating everyone chose to make an example out of me. They chose to spend ten million dollars against me and say we're going to do whatever it takes to beat And so if I win That then becomes an example for everyone else that, hey, you don't have to water it down. L you know that eighty percent of your constituents want there to be regulations on AI. And that can be a winning issue. Because that is the interesting part. We don't really see controversy from a ground level. There's a seventy eighty percent call for for regulation. We see this consistently. Even things like moratoriums are things I hear much more from regular voter than from elected official. Is that gap? between the Democratic electors talking about this issue and the where voters are on that issue. Is that all just money? I think it's eighty, ninety percent fair. For most elected officials hearing from their neighbors Hey, what are we doing? Like this is moving so fast. Why don't we get a say? I can't imagine they're not hearing it. We're all hearing it. All the time. And I tell you every time I introduce a new AI policy in the campaign, I get texts from Congress members, Hey, this is great. loveove this, you know, And I always respond. Iroduce it. Yeah. Like I'm not going to be there for seven months. This is moving fast. Like I'll help you write the bill. likeike let's go, let's get it out there. And then it's crickets. And it's they know it's the right thing to do. They're just so scared of the money on the other side. Yeah, part of me feels and this is a cynical take that like The window of twenty twenty four was so important on this issue and that electes kind of blew it. Like It feels to me as if why weren't we talking about AI regulation throughout that election? Like why weren't we talking about the future of work during that election? Like I worry that come four years from now, those impacts are here more so than it's a thing that people still can be like kind of proactively regulated against. This super pack that's attacking me, they only have to win for like an election cycle or two Right now is the moment.. Now is the moment. And so they can go so big right now because they don't have to spend this forever. Like if they lock in a power structure where just a few billionaires get to decide how all of this works That might be a lot harder to change in four years than if we just get it right now. I simply been been boris. thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thank you Up next, how a race in Upper Manhattan and the Bronx highlights the splits among the Democratic Party nationally. We asked Dara Liza Avula Chevalliier, a Democratic socialist running in New York's thirteenth conongressional district, the question that's on a lot of Democrats' minds right now. How far left is too far left Support for the showay comes from G therapy. A lot of people talk about summer like it's supposed to be relaxed and carefree, but if the season brings up money stress, body stress, family stress or social stress, that's real too, you guys. Gr therapy can help with that. 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Thanks for having me. Diaiaiza, New York's thirteenth Conggressional district composes Manhattan's Westide, including parts of Harlem and the Bronx. If you don't live in those districts, if you don't necessarily care about these districts, why should this race still matter at you Well, this is a race that is going to have national implications. And I think the things that we're fighting for in this district apply to people across the country. I'm running to win housing for all, to abolish Iice to make sure that our tax dollars stop going towards these endless wars so that we can finally invest in our babies here and not in bombs that are stroying communities abroad. Yeah, part of my interest in this race is a question of generational change. Democrats everywhere have been thinking about like kind of younger candidates even after the twenty twenty four election And I wondered for you, what was the moment when you looked out at your representative at your district and thought, I should get in here? You know, I actually never thought that I would run for office. I was recruited to run. And for me, it really isn't so much about age. it's about the lack of presence that we've felt as a community from our representative. And I'm somebody who's been organizing in the city for over fourteen years around various issues around mass incarceration, around immigration, justice, around Palestine. And not once had I heard from my representative despite the numerous times that I'd reached out. Like how much should we draw a line from Zaramam Dani's win in New York City last year T candidacies like yours? Obviously, there's the DSA link, but there seems to be a broader sense of new voices, particularly on the left emerging. Like does this candidacy happen without Mamani winning last year? know, I think what was so incredible about the mayor's race last year was that he presented a vision He was no longer giving us just the politics of cynicism and why we should be afraid of the other guy. It was a vision for us to hold on to, to be able to fight for. And you that is a vision I share, a vision of government that is actually responsive to the people of the city. And that's why I started canvassing for him and leading campvases when he was still polling at one percent And you know early on, and I was knocking doors in Harlem in Washington Heights, and folks were like, well, we love the vision But can he win? And now six months in into his role as mayor, right, people are starting to believe again that government can actually work for working people. And that is the type of government that we have presented in our vision in this run for Congress. Let's dig into the substance of this. Your opponent, Congressman Adriano Espayad is the first Dominican American Elected to Congress, first formerly undocumented person in Congress, he is the chair currently of the Hispanic Caucus. and I think fair to say, a trailblazing figure in New York politics and Latino politics, probably nationally. I mean, all of that feels like a lot of weighty things that I think a lot of folks in the electorate know him by. Why is that not enough for you Well, you know, again, in the last ten years, that he has been in office My neighbors and I look around and we wonder What has gotten better? becausecause I'm somebody who has had to think about whether I can afford to stay in the city that I love Despite doing everything that society has told me was the right thing to do, I went to college I when I went to grad school and I was working on my PhD to become a professor. And still, I got priced out of the career that I was working towards and wondering whether I could make my rent and teach the classes I wanted to teach Right And for so many, that is the reality. And so you know the things that people are facing day in and day out of Te the Bronx are the results of the failed leadership that we've had for far too long. the lack of fight, right? the lack of a vision for how we address these issues. And we had an example last year of how that can change when we put in folks in office actually share our values. It's not enough to share identity We also have to share our values and share our fight and share a commitment to winning for our people I see the differences in political style and priority. I wanted to see, what the differences in policy. Can you point to me a vote that the Congressman has taken in Washington that you would do differently Not only is it votes, right, he is someone who refuses to align with the position that most Democrats in this country hold, which is that we need to stop arming Israel and has voted time and time again to send more arms to Israel, despite the fact that we live in the second poorest congressional district in the state and by some measures of the country and could really benefit from having those resources come back to our home comm I mean, are we sure that the residents of NY thirteen, you know, share the priorities that you do? I mean, I remember hearing from Democrats in twenty twenty four that voters don't prioritize foreign policy that you know, they're more concerned with the kind of affordability question. They're more concerned with things like constituent services from their member of Congress. like how are you sure that the priorities that you have and that kind of motivated you to run against the Cgressmen are shared by the district. I think that the district understands, right that we are constantly being told that there are not enough resources for us while watching a liveestream genocide being committed tax dollars. So it's connecting the affordability question to the m It' a direct connection. and I think people understand that, right? where we have folks who are twenty six percent of our people are living below the poverty line. Our budgets are moral documents. They tell us exactly what we actually prioritize in our society. And when we have a representative who is voting to send billions upon billions of dollars to endless war and to slaughter That what that tells us is that you know they are more concerned with sending that money there than bringing it back to our communities. It's kind of America first argument from the left, it sounds like In many ways, I think it's an argument about life, right? It's an argument of making sure that our resources are investing in life and not in death. And I think we save lives abroad, but we're also saving lives here, right by investing in our communities here I wanted to ask about kind of the differences between five years ago and now, you know, maybe the woke one versus woke two difference, you know, like partly, I remember back to even when mayayor Mum Donny was running and I remember asking him questions about previous positions he had on abolishing police and defunding. and he really pivoted from that stuff, said that he had made a change in mor or that he kind of believe that stuff in error. You tweeted once a world without prisons or police is possible, necessary and the only moral way forward. I wanted to ask do you still believe that? And if not, what specifically changed? You know, I think What is often ignored in these types of questions is that at the heart of our movement for justice is public safety is making sure that we are actually increasing safety. I am someone who works at a public defender's office And I see how the vast majority of the clients we work with are black and brown people who are living through the indignity of poverty And the way that we use policing as a response to that Right As opposed to actually investing in the things that will increase public safety, that will make their lives more dignified, that will make the lives of our entire community more dignified, I think often gets lost in this conversation. And in a time where we are spending more and more money to militarize our police force, why is it that we still feel so deeply unsafe But I think that's still a little distinct from the question I'm asking, which is do you think in their current, you know, twenty twenty six, that police hold a role in the public safety arsenal? And the thing is they are, right? They're here, right? And that is how we have been engaging with this question of public safety for so long that of course, we're not going to get rid of the police overnight. And that was never This guy would I guess it's only mal way forward. But I would like to you know, to that is that what I'm saying then and now and I know that we're probably going to get to this question of how I discussed these issues in the past, but What I'm saying is that The moral way forward is to make sure that we are creating the conditions where we all feel so safe in our society That we don't need an institution that is militarized. I want to ask about a couple of other deleted tweets. You deleted more than three thousand five hundred tweets after running for office. Before we ask about the specific ones, I just wanted to ask like, how do you think about in hindsight that kind of twenty nineteen twenty twenty moment? Yeah Make the record clear. I did not delete those tweets because I was running for office. I deleted my entire Twitter account many years ago Because I just found it was more productive to just be focused on my PhD and focused on my organization. That part is definitely agreeable you know looging off is always always always helpful. Yeah, I deleted the account the entire account. and I know that there's a lot of discourse, my opponent is spreading around me doing this because I'm running for office, but that's simply not true. And you know, I do have regrets on how I expressed my values on Twitter because my values are around Dignity, it's around accountability, it's around justice And I think rhetoric matters. I certainly wouldn't use a lot of the language that I used back then today. And I think it's deeply important that we use language that is unifying language that allows people who might not at first understand where you're coming from, can still hear you and can come to a place of empathy and understanding. you know, in that era, there was a lot of pressure to be, you know woker than thou, right? That has gotten us to a point where a lot of people gan or roll their eyes, right? And that has been so counterproductive the things that werere actually fighting for. I appreciate that answer. I wantna still ask about two tweetses specifically because I think they are relevant to the race. The first is all deportation is wrong. Now in Congress, obviously, that comes with a lot of questions about immigration enforcement. and even as Democrats might agree with calls that you have shared to things like abolished IC I don't know if they're necessarily there on things like all deportation is wrong. You're talking about kind of language change, but that's pretty clear in terms of belief. Is that something you still believe That phrase, yes, I still believe that all deportations are wrong. Even if we're talking about illegal entry to the country or someone who may have committed a crime. So when we're talking about things like illegal entry we're actually talking about administrative laws, right? We're not talking about criminal law. And we really need to make have an understanding of what it is that we are doing when we say that people who are non citizens who have a different status based on where they were born, why they should endure additional form of punishment when they have already gone through the criminal system. Let me concede the question of people who have not committed a crime because I think that U That's not really the question at hand. Like if we're saying all deportation is wrong though, that would seem to also include people who were convicted of breaking U.S. criminal law is the deportation of those people wrong Yes. And the reason I say that is because we have a criminal system It isn'tperfect, but it exists And it is one that if we accept as the process by which we want to engage with these issues, right, then we need to make sure that it is one that isn't also discriminatory on the basis of where people were born, right To subject someone who has committed a crime to both a criminal system and then additionally to an immigration system. also detains them in the very same facilities that criminalet people who are convicted of criminal convictions are also held, right and then deported and ripped away from everything they know and love That is also punishment. It is double punishment. And if we truly believe that double jeopardy is something that is unconstitutional, something that is unethical, we cannot subject people to that on the basis of where they were born. And I also believe that the question of deportation is one that is deeply racist. It is one that believes because someone was born outside of this country, that they deserve one of the most cruel forms of punishment imagable. to be stripped away from your entire community. I hear that argument. I appreciate you land it out. The last tweet I will ask about is really one that you know, I just think comes up because Democrats and language like you're talking about, you tweeted fuck Kamala Harris, which I do have to ask about. like how does that fit within the premise of bringing people in that you laid out. And to the point, it's not language I would use. and you know, I'm a bllack woman. I would have loved to seen a black woman president, right And despite my many criticisms, I still voted. Yeah. I still voted for Biden and Harris, right? And I think what that reflects is how so many black and brown people are constantly having to save the Democratic Party from itself R We're constantly being told that we need to vote for people who don't necessarily align with our values or are fighting for the same visions that we hold, but because we need to do that because there's this other force over here that is more terrifying The Trump binary. Exactly. Republicans are so scary that you know, you might have your criticisms but you gott to eat it for the purposes of winning. And what I'm arguing is that it's not enough, right? It We need Democrats who are presenting a vision that people want to actually come out and vote for. What do you think a win would mean and what would a loss mean Let's say you come out on top that day. What is that about? And let's say you don't, what would that be about You know I really feel really great about where we're at this campaign and so I'm not going to put anything negative into the air. But I do you know I've been really excited about just building this campaign because I think it's going to have an impact on not just district thirteen the entire country. I think what it will show is that, you know, Mir Mam Dani's win last year wasn't a fluke people really believe in these values, that they believe in this vision that we're fighting for and that they desperately want and are hungry for a government that is actually responsive to them One that they can be part of every single day of their lives, one that is actually invested in them and in building a politics of life Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. I appreciate you laying out your vision, and we'll see how this ends up. Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it So following this interview, we reached out to Congressman Espayad's campaign to get a response to Chevalier's claims that he hasn't delivever for his districts and that he's prioritized interest abroad over interest at home