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It's the news discussion podcast from Cleveland. com and the Plane Dealer. I'm Chris Quinn here with Laura Johnston, Lisa Garbin and Courtney Astoffi. Laura, let's start with one of the strangest points of civic pride we'll ever see in Parma, which today is celebrating its bicentennial one odd plea to residence and it's not about white socks. What is it? Well, today is not just pink day. It is Parma Pink Day . No regular Tuesday. This is when homes, businesses, landmarks are all going to glow pink in honor of the bicentennial and the officially adopted flamingo mascot. So this aligns with National Pink Day and we're encouraging people to wear pink clothing to decorate with flamingo themed displays and have pink bulbs in their lights to show community pride. I got to say, you might roll your eyes. I love this. I think it's so fun . I give them so much kudos for embrac ing this. The plastic lawn flamingo, of course, is where this all started. And it was created in nineteen fifty seven. It was clearly a decorative lawn ornament across the United States, but they were really popular in Parma when population was surging in the nineteen fifties and sixties at the same time and became a punchline. And then Parma just embraced the joke. So it is the official mascot of the city and that was adopted last October . Yeah, I don't know what to think about it. And look, I live in the city that for years had a sign in its border saying nuclear free zone. It would still have them except people kept stealing them. So I get it. They were very prescient knowing this new revolution to come. Yeah, I guess. But a pink flamingo is just such a goofy to build your self. But it's iconic. It can it's goofy, but it is iconic. You can say what you will . And it's fun . I mean, I think we need more fun in this world and the fact that that Parma is embracing, this is great. They've got storefront displays all over the city, civic branding, community organization. There's a high school girls rugby team calling themselves the Parma Pink Flamingos. There are groups like we are Parma Proud that incorporate it. There's flamingo sculptures in prominent public places like one at Anthony Zelensky Park. That's near that strip strip Parma sign. Remember when they got that after the Cleveland signs ? So yeah, I mean, this is great. If you can make fun of yourself a little bit and embrace the fun kitchy Americana that is the pink lawn flamingo, then go for it. Well, I guess that you can't stop it, right? So if you can't really stop it, you may as well embrace it and get in on the joke instead of being the butt of the joke. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, who doesn't love a pink flamingo? I just think they're so fun. They're like summer and you know kitchen and you know, yeah, they're like just happy . Never let it be said that today in Ohio doesn't try and lighten the mood a little bit. Of course we'll dash it here in a second. You're listening to today in Ohio . People who believe in democracy have been agast as President Donald Trump has made the United States the part owner of companies. Something that you see in authoritarian nations , but not here. Ohio Senator John Houston appears to be a bit troubled by this arrangement. He is up for reelection. I'll remind everybody. What would a bill he has introduced do about it, Lisa . Yeah, and this is another bill with a long name. It's called the investing in National Values, Economy, Strategy and Tomorrow Act . It would require all federal agencies to sell their ownership stakes and private for profit companies within eight years and then use the proceeds from those sales to pay down the national debt, which is huge at this point. Houston said that government influence in the U e.c Son.omy conflicts with capitalism. And the bill would include things like stocks, partnerships, warrants, options and equity tied to public offerings and spinoffs. And Houston said, without clear guardrails, future administr ations could use taxpayer funded investments to influence private companies and advance political agendas. Well, I would argue that's going on right now in the current administration. But history on this shows mixed' results . Back in two thousand eight, there was the company the government bailed out Citigroup with forty five billion dollars via the TARP , you know and then they sold it in twenty ten and made twelve billion dollars in profit. But with the auto bailout that same year, they paid forty nine point five billion to GM and then it was ended up being a ten point five billion dollars loss three years later. This is how you make oligarchs though. And it is something we should have our guard up. Donald Trump is just a grifter. It's amazing to me that we have such a grifter running the country. It's all about getting money for him and his friends and his family . And the idea that he wants to own part of Intel and all these other companies is frightening and I actually respect John Hustghon here for taking this anti Trump stand because this runs against what Trump believes. He wants the government to become the owner of the companies, just like in Russia that that has happened. Go ahead. No. No, I was gonna say, if you look at it, it's almost a subversive, you know , stake in the heart of Trump, if you think about it. Yeah, I know. That I mean, yeah, again, he's running for office in Ohio. Ohioans are in a fury about the state of things and he knows that. And he's running against Sherid Brown, who is making sure everybody knows about it . So I just I credit him for doing it. This is a bad development in federal government. And hopefully when Trump's gone, we'll end this nonsense , but you have to be very guarded against the grift here. What is he up to? How will he profit from this . Remember, this is the guy that made his justice department give him one point seven billion dollars to give to his friends until outrage stopped it. He is nothing more than a cheap grifter who happens to be the leader of the free world. You're listening to today in Ohio. Of course, Ohio plays a key role in Donald Trump's reflecting pool disaster, which he is now trying to blame on phantom v andalizers , even though it's clear he does not know what he's doing. What is the Ohio connection, Courtney? Well, look no further than a huge well known political name from Youngstown. We're looking here at a company tied to JJ Cafaro and that's the one that's under scrutiny. It won a no bid federal contract to fix the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool , one point seven million dollars to be exact went to Greenwater Services of Brookfield and that's the one that's held by JJ Cafaro's trust . This was just for the water purification system. The painting of the reflecting pool blue was given to someone else, but when you look at this equipment here , like I mentioned, the ultimate owner of this business is JJ Cafaro's investment trust . This guy is a longtime Republican donor. He's a neighbor of Trump's down in Marlago, and of course he's a convict convict with a history of politically corrupt dealings . This company listed Cafaro's Palm Beach Mansion as its address in Florida records that we looked at. It also listed his investment trust phone number and email in Ohio lobbying records. So this is definitely tied to Cafaro. He's donated more than two and a half million to political candidates since the seventies. Most of that's been Republican donors, but his single largest contribution was a quarter million dollars to Trump victory in june twenty twenty. Now the federal government's made , you know, offered its reasons for why this had to be a quick, no bid contract, and we all know of the what has unfolded in the day since the pool was refilled with everything turning green and catching a lot of scrutiny. Yeah, because he doesn't know what he's doing. I mean, he claimed, oh, I've made a lot of swimming pools. I know what I'm doing. He unilaterally did it, violated every process you're supposed to follow to make sure things are done right spent a ton of money on it that he really wasn't authorized to spend and now it's a disaster. They're going to have to scrape it all up and probably redo it. And of course, instead of admitting, he doesn't know what he's doing . He starts blaming phantom vandalizers, which is preposterous. Sadly, there is that small segment of our community that buys whatever he says and blasts us for not just believing every word he says. Most people look at this and no, it's another grift by the chief grifter of the world . Well again, we have a Trump donor here. We have a Trump neighbor and we've got the interior department in the White House denying any White House connection or role in selecting Cafaro's company for the job . And Cavaro did talk to the Youngstown Vindicator said that Trump had no role in his company getting the contract and that it was not discussed with him . And he also claims his equipment did what it was supposed to do in this case. Yeah, look, he doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to reflecting pool. He got his pocket completely picked by Iran in the non deal he made. The Obama deal was so far superior to what his is, and he abolished it and then lies to America and says that his is better . It's a disaster. This administration after a year and a half is in an abject free fall. And you can see Republicans peeling away from him in fear. It's why we just talked about John Houston because he does not know what he's doing and is causing way more harm than anybody would have thought possible. You know, it's worth reminding listeners who Kafaro is here . Go back to two thousand one. He pleaded guilty back then to conspiracy in the bribery case involving U. S. rep James trafficant . He was sentenced to a few months of probation back then , find money. He was ultimately the star witness against traffic. And then fast forward to twenty ten, he pleaded guilty again for concealing a loan made basically to his daughter's congressional campaign. Right. Exactly the kind of guy you want having federal business without any bidding. It's such a good look. Go ahead, Lisa. Have you seen photographs of him? He looks like a Batman villain. People have been comparing him to the penguin. It's just bad news. You're listening to today in Ohio. The percentage of Cleveland kids in quality preschools has hit a remarkable benchmark, but precise supporters in the city say that despite that good news , they see signs of trouble. Laura, what's the benchmark and why the worries ? Well, half of Cleveland's three and four year olds were enrolled in a high quality preschool last year. So that is huge up from twenty four percent in twenty fourteen when we really had this big push to get everyone in a high quality pre k program because it ends up helping their success for the rest of their lives, not just in kindergarten , and it was only forty three percent just two years ago. So really seeing growth there. But there's uneven enrollment across different neighborhoods. So one hundred percent of the kids in Ohio City or Tremont or University neighborhoods, they're all going. But there's places where only ten to thirty percent of kids are enrolled, like in Collinwood or Broadway Slavic village. A lot of it comes down to money, like anything else because it still costs money to send your kids to the pre K. And a lot of these places don't have the staff that they even could fill more spaces if they had enough staff. But it's just like childcare. We talk about it all the time. It's difficult to run a childcare center because it's so expensive. So it's affordability kind of on both ends of the equation. It's still good news though to get fifty percent ben chmark. I think when we were doing our five thousand days first five thousand days project a while back , I think we would have all been celebrating to say we're at the fifty percent. So they should take a moment to think about how successful the efforts have been and of course never cease in aiming for better . Absolutely. This is very important though, right? Because getting those kids in a program where they learn their letters and learn their numbers and are safe and cared for. This is huge for everyone, right? It'll help the families, it helps the kids, it helps them have success. So we really should make this a priority and I'm glad that we have in Cleveland . The issue is on the other hand, the state. The budget that they passed at the end of June last year, they redefined the number of hours that a kid on publicly funded childcare had to attend to be considered f ull time. It was twenty seven. They bumped that up to thirty three . That's hard to make. Think about thirty three hours a week. I mean, that's practically a full time job, right? So that's harder for all these kids. That means those centers are getting paid less and that just makes it harder to make all of the books work . Okay, you're listening to today in Ohio . This Father's Day, do more with Dad and spend less with low prices guaranteed at the Home Depot. 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Coyota County Council has said a sure far way to reduce juvenile crime is to do more intervention with children. So Lisa, what's the hold up on paying for more intervention? Well there's a lot of stirman drag amongst the county council on this. So there's a proposal to use nine hundred thousand dollars in opioid money for hiring more juvenile probation officers , but that didn't pass earlier this month. They will be discussing it again this morning during their committee of the Whole Meeting, but probably not a vote. So this is being championed by Sunny Simon and Michael Gallagher. They said this would have allowed hiring up to fifteen more juvenile probation officers to reduce case loads that are like thirty cases per officer where the best practice is twelve to fifteen cas es, but council members couldn't agree over the finances. County council president Dale Miller says we couldn't afford new officers last year and finances have gotten demonstrably worse since then . And he said, you know, costs for housing use and federal snap changes are coming. And he says, you know, there's going to be an extra seven million dollars bill in the county for the county in October. But Simon and Gallagher clapped back, they said opioid money is budget neutral. They say eight million dollars of that money is not yet allocated, and they want to use it to see if there are more officers making if it does make an impact to hire more offices and then discuss how to keep that funding going. And Gallagher said, I'll roll the dice . But Miller says, Well, the county needs that reserve to help with the budget. So Simon and Gallagher lambasted Miller for not supporting kids while using opioid money for a new crisis center that was only funded for the first three years . And they're already discussing cutting back services there. So Simon said, it's kind of distracting and hypocritical. I do want to remind everybody that this is the council that took sixty six million dollars of pandemic funds and turned it into personal slush funds and spent fifty million dollars to turn the failed medical mark into part of thevent Cionon center when we had other much more pressing needs. That's a hundred plus million dollars that they squandered. On the other hand, I got to say, Gallagher and Simon more and more seem like the only people on that council that are paying attention to the needs of the county. Dale Miller is out in Lala Land. They know this works . They know that if they have more juvenile probation officers , they can help children avoid more crime and thrive. They know it. And instead of figuring out that basic service that's part of their job , they play games in other ways. I just can't I believe they remain with Dale Miller as the council president. His presidency has been pretty much a nightmare . Well, it sounds like they want to use that opioid money to fill budget holes. That's like what like why they want to keep it in reserve. And you know, yes, this would only fund this project, but they're right . Let's see if more officers do help and if they do help, let's find money for them going forward. The county forgets its priorities They create things that are not part of their mission, like the freshwater institute and other things . And this is the basics. This is their job. When we had county commissioners, they never took their eyes off of the basic job. And these debates just flore me because what Gallagher and Simon are saying is this is our basic fundamental duty to the people of this county. So let's do it. And you have Dale Miller, who's playing games. No, we need to play with the budget. We need to do this. What's your priority? That's what the budget shows. Show your priority here. Is it the kids or not? You're listening to today in Ohio . With technology as advanced as it is today, no tourist attraction can justify withholding information from customers about long lines. How is Cedar Point working to try to do better with people who visit, Courtney ? Yeah, one of the most annoying things that can happen when you're at Cedar Point is you've been waiting in a line for a really long while to get on that coaster you really want to ride and then the ride shuts down . Do you stick around? Do you hope the shutdown's quick and they resume shortly or do you get out of there and try a different ride? That's the dilemma that Cedar Point's trying to address by giving guests new more detailed announcements when rides are delayed and when they do go down . So these announcements , which are shared , you know , while you're waiting in line, so you can kind of hear the progress of the maintenance men are on their way. They're diagnosing the problem. We think this will be a short delay. We think this will be a longer delay . The whole idea of these announcements is to give folks more transparency, according to the president out there, Colleen Brady. She compared this new system to the way airlines update passengers when flights are delayed. This was launched last year across six flags parks , so you know, Cedar Point Goers are still getting kind of used to it, but these updates even include things like weather delays and other changes to ride operations beyond maintenance issues . And the goal here is to just keep guests in the loop so they can make more informed decisions. No, and you're paying that much money to get in, you want to use your time efficiently and waiting in line is not efficient It's always marveled that you pay a gigantic sum to get in there and you waste time standing in line . And anything they can do to avoid that makes sense. You know, one thing you're not going to hear is a specific reopening time. They don't want to give you that because they're just not quite sure when they'll be able to get the ride operating again, but we got some advice from Park Goers and the head of PR over there. Wait maybe fifteen thir,ty minutes , and then and then call it, but these new announcements should give you more info to work on when you're making that call. You're listening to today in Ohio. Lorraine County reporter Hannah Drown's four part series on the County Jail has been complete ly published on Cleveland. com, the fourth part we'll publish in the plane dealer tomorrow. We talked about the first part of this series last week, the decrepit condition of the place. What did we learn from the other parts, Laura . Well, I hope people go and read this story because there is incredible detail in Hannah's reporting. She really got into just how broken down the Lorraine Jill is, how illegipped it is to deal with modern needs of inmates and how expensive it is to keep fixing the same thing over and over again with all these old parts they don't even make anymore. Like they have to manufacture new parts for locks when they break down or they have to fit a door. If they don't have that, they just have a guard standing there the entire time. Think about how expensive that is with staffing. So they are really just throwing money down their busted drains and commission ers did agree to build a new one, though they haven't agreed on exactly what kind they want to do it as cheaply as possible and build it linearly which is creates the same problems with viewing that the current one has instead of that modern wagon wheel design that the staffers would much rather have that safer for both inmates and guards. Hannah goes also really deep into mental health issues and the crux of that basically that we don't treat mental health before people are in jail. So they all come here, come there and it's like the majority of inmates with mental health problems and then they have not enough ways to treat them because it's very expensive and they don't even have the space to get them in the right places . This is the result of Hannah Drown taking on Lorraine County a little more than a year ago with the idea that we would use AI to help us that we use an AI rewrite desk while she's doing reporting and it has freed up so much of her time to go out and talk to people that she was able to spend a ton of time in this jail. The inmates at one point gave her a tour . And this is, as you said , detail rich. And the only way we can do that these days is by this use of AI. We are much better at reporting today because we're freeing up the time for people like Hannah who has quickly become one of the best reporters on our staff to do this extraordinary work . Yeah, absolutely . I hope that the Lorraine commissioners and the people who live in Lorraine have paid close attention to this because it makes I'm sorry, it makes no sense to keep throwing this money on this jail that was built in nineteen seventy seven, but even when they built it, it had used parts of it that were fifteen years old . And they're trying to make this work. And I understand that you should be frugal with the public's money, but at what point are you like, they're spending five million dollars a year on maintaining the jail, not even touching this fifty eight million dollars backlog of stuff that needs fixing. And so they have set aside some money for a new jail, but you know it,'s hard to try to convince people this is a good use of money because there's like these are criminals, right? But it's this is a jail. This is not a prison. These people not necessarily have been convicted and they deserve to be treated humanely. Well, some of the details were just astounding. Yeah, think about if this for your house. Every time a lock breaks because they're so obsolete, they can't get apart. They have to hire a welder to fabricate apart. Think about that. If you had a doorknob go down in your house and you had to hire a welder to come in and fix it because you couldn't get apart to replace it. Right. They don't even have space for every one. So there are ten to twenty inmates every day being housed in Cuyoga County at a cost of two hundred and thirty seven dollars a day. I mean, they are just, it's just going out the window. And this, I thought was so crazy that there are no dedicated beds for women with serious mental illness. Inside the jail, they only have four isolation cells for women. Those are used for discipline, protective custody, medical observation, and other issues . So they actually could have several people more than four , I mean more than four, there's only there's zero . No one who they all need the same space and they have to decide like who is the most dire of the situation? Like that is an incredibly hard choice to make all the time . Okay, you're listening to Tonight in Ohio. Reporter Molly Walsh put on a bee suit to write this story. Why, Lisa, does it appear from raw numbers that beekeeping has fallen off a cliff in Jagua County? And why is that bad news for people who understand how important bees are to our agriculture . It's definitely of concern to Gaga County Apiary Inspector Mark Dineschak. He says that registrations of beekeepers have declined. They have to register every year. He says it makes it really hard to track and prevent dise ases. He says if there are bacterial diseases and hives it can wipe out not only entire colonies, but it could kill every bee in the county or the state. So as of may twenty twenty eighth of this year, one hundred twenty and one apiaries are registered in Giaga County. That's way below last year's two hundred and eighteen apiaries, two hundred and ten beekeepers in nine hundred and fifty nine colonies. He cites recent chang es to an Ohio law that dropped the five dollars annual registration fee and then moved it to online. He said that might be a factor because a lot of beekeepers are amish and they may not have internet access . Dinish says he uses letters, phone calls and in person visits to get people to register. He says he's not about enforcement, he's about education. He says a lot of beekeepers are skeptical of increased government inv olvement and he says, We're just trying to help people. And you know, bee beets are very important to our agricultural economy. They pollinate lots and lots of crops In the United States, you know, fifty five percent of managed colonies were lost between april twenty twenty four and april twenty twenty five. That's the highest annual loss. Here in Ohio, the big problem for beekeepers is the varroa mite. That's that gets into the bee colonies . Yeah, and I can understand why people aren't registering them. They really do need to do a proper publicity campaign about why it's important to register them and that big brother's not going to be looking over your shoulder. I see bee colonies in multiple places and I wonder now whether they're registered. Well, I wonder if people who just say, hey, I'm going to keep bees don't know that they have to register. So yeah, I think public education is key. You're listening to today in Ohio. All right, let's take a trip in the wayback machine. What McDonald's guilty pleasure discontinued in nineteen ninety two because of how bad it is for cholesterol , is the restaurant chain bringing back temporarily for America's big birthday and who on this podcast has ever had one? Courtney . This is the original fried apple pie and it's only going to be available for a short run. It starts today and McDonald's offer it up to folks through july nineteenth. It's part of how McDonald's is celebrating the nation's two hundred and fiftieth birthday . And like you said, Chris, this thing has not been around for a good while. McDonald's swapped out the fried version for a baked version , you know, in recent years, but that original fried version goes back to nineteen sixty eight. And our team went out and wanted to kind of get a sense of what this new old fried pie is like. They said it still tastes pretty good and there's a pretty good case here for starting with dessert when you get your McDonald's meal. I remember these really well from when I was a kid. They also had a cherry version that I actually favored. It was so good . I didn't realize they had discontinued them when I got diagnosed with celiac disease in two thousand one so, I couldn't eat them anyway. But I didn't realize they'd gone away. And my bed is, Lauren Courtney, you've never tasted these delicacies. Come on. I was twelve when they went away. I had no idea they went away . I didn't neither . But I would like I would like McDonald's to bring back their salads. I'm sorry. I know I'm in the minority here, but like that's what I want them to bring. Have you had nobody goes to McDonal d's for a sale ? I would, I would. Have you had the pie? I don't remember ever eating the pie. It's not like the McLean Deluxe that I have fond memories of or the McRib, which both of those I do. I remember when I was a kid and you could get it for about a buck fifty, you could get a burger, fries, a drink and an apple pie for about a buck fifty. It was part of that clapping game we used to play, like Sunday's and apple p ies. And it came in that little sleeve . Yeah, less. Yes. Yeah, no, it was the thing. Courtney's listening going, what are you guys talking about? A little too young for that when I did like the baked version when they rolled that out. Well, you have to go try it because even though it's really unhealthy, it was just always there. I mean, it was a favorite thing. So interesting that they're bringing it back, apple pie and America . But honestly, you know, because you know, we have a huge Amish community just east of us and they do fried pies , which are pretty much the same thing. So yeah, if you have a hankering for, you know, fried pies, you can get an Amish one. Well, there you go. Pink Parma and apple pie . What an episode