Indictment and Final Thoughts

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I think she just idealized my life at the time and was like, this is what I want and I'm gonna insert myself in your life. As things progressed, I found out exactly how intricate the web was and it became all of the game. She wasn't in it for the money. And so I became intensely curious about what she was in it for. That person does not exist. That feeling of grief of like somebody had just died. That part gets really, really crazy. My head was just spinning. I just don't want anybody to be hurt. She better hope she never meets me. We opened in Corona, California. We meet Erin Johnson. Now she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy when she was eight months old. Erin is like severely disabled. Yeah, right now she's using a motorized bed in the photo, she's not doing that. But Erin has one hell of a story about this piece of shit named Sarah. Yeah. Team Erin, our dear friend Erin is here to tell us this horrifying thing that happened to her. Like this lovely little lady. This woman Sarah who is like the our our main bad guy. Her name is Sarah Dellish Schmidt. And we jump to the summer of 2005. Sarah Fullish, am I right? Sarah Demashit? Like for sure. Summer 2005. Erin, our our friend Erin meets shitty Sarah at a camp for disabled children and adults. Sarah was actually one of the counselors. Which makes it sound like she's an amazing person. Yeah, because all over the course of that week they were inseparable and we will meet counselors and they are amazing and this sounds wonderful. So like but that's what Sarah's trying to do here. Right, that's the story. And the thing about these counselors at this camp is that the the people who go there, it's for disabled kids and adults. And they need a a lot of care. So it's you know, everything from Hair washing and bathing and helping get to the bathroom and They'll do it all. They do it all. And Beth Karis is also here. I have Beth Karis exclamation mark. Yeah. I don't know why we're surprised. This is kind of our her show here. I really love Beth Karis very much. But Beth says look I know what it's like, because I lived with two disabled brothers. Just want friends. They want Someone to think they're special enough to time with, right? And be a friend to. So this meant a lot to Aaron. When she saw her brothers friendships, it just meant so much to her. Yeah, and and also that like these disabled kids are just looking for people to connect with, you know? Right. And like we've already heard that Sarah is this woman Erin's like best friend and how meaningful that is for them. So Aaron tells us That Sarah, once this week of camp is over, Aaron and Sarah stay in very close touch. Which I'm a little bit like, is that okay? I don't know. Right, I don't know the boundaries there, but also that would make sense if they did in normal circumstances. Yeah. But Erin says that Sarah tells her Sarah's got a disabled sister named Gabby. She's eleven. She has a condition called SMA, which is a form of muscular dystrophy. And so Aaron says that this like bad guy Sarah asks her a lot of questions. And Erin, of course Aaron is in that place where she's looking back and seeing where things made sense and didn't make sense. So she says it almost like looking back it felt like she was studying our friend Aaron. Yeah, 'cause we don't know yet, and Aaron doesn't know yet that Sarah's like a bad guy. So Erin also says the level of in touch they stayed was insane. Constant. All day, every day. Like all day. Every way, way too much. Yeah. But Sarah tells our friend Erin all about her life. Sarah started to tell Erin about her husband Adam and their multiple pregnancies, multiple miscarriages, and even deaths of some babies. Even some deaths of the babies, like real like Sarah has been through some shit and she's telling her new friend Aaron about it. And not to confuse things too much, but we also meet here this woman, uh Sarah Trevilin. She's a journalist, and I said this lady is a real life Carrie Bradshaw. Yeah. She's got my dream life. She mostly writes long form magazine pieces and makes a true crime podcast. And she wrote about this case, like a long form article for Elle Magazine. Yeah. That used to be a thing. L magazine? Magazines in general. Long form articles and magazines, yeah, yeah. When I was in college, like people were like studying to become like journalists who like wrote long form articles for magazines. I missed I missed them. Yeah, like Andy from Devil Wars Product. Yeah Not back for the sequel. Oh no, Andy's back, not the question. He's not back. He's made like a whole thing about not being back for the sequel. Who cares? Everyone hated you anyway. You were the real villain. Whatever your stupid name is. Charles Berg is what he uses. No one in their Especially this like fancy pants chef. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He allegedly is. Yeah. No, you don't use Yarlsburg. Why didn't we hate the boyfriend? And he overcooked it. Because he wasn't supportive of her. Can you just let her do it? She's not thrilled about it. She has to do it for a year. Yeah. Can you just be decent about it? Like she's kind of going through it. What an asshole. Her friends suck. We needed a villain. Oh my God, that that woman Tracy, what's her name was in it, too, who's done. Tracy Tom was in the ranked movie. I'm obsessed with her. We it's time for a D prod one first rewatch. Yeah. We gotta watch that again. It's really good. I know and Devil Wears Product too. The day we're recording this, it comes out tomorrow. Does it? I like might even brave the movie theater to go see it in the theater. Look, if it's worth it to you, you should do it. Just be careful. No one knows how to act anymore. I know. I go mostly to um two o'clock matinees with my kids to see um like cartoons. But you get the popcorn and the Coke. It's like ninety five dollars, but sure. Girl, Salt and Stone is back. 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I know this guy, Jeff, because he's my husband, Adam's best friend. Now when they show us this in the episode, they flash up a picture of these two men with their eyes blacked out. I was like what's going on here? Yeah. What's happening? They did not sit down for this. They did not sit down. They're probably just a random picture she got. I was gonna say no. Yeah, I would guess. Yeah, yeah. So anyway. Of course, responds to Jeff's email. They're talking all the time. He's so sweet, complimenting her. Tell he's like is eventually telling her that he loves her. They want to have kids, they want to buy a house. Erin goes, he told me everything I wanted to hear. Like Erin has done the work. Erin knows exactly what happened. And she's telling us very honestly. And like we all love Erin so much. I'm like, Jeff, can you make yourself known in real life? It was Erin. It was I mean it was Sarah. That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? I'm like like my my point is I just want Aaron's little heart to be protective. Of course. But like Sarah is taking advantage of the fact that maybe they physically couldn't meet if he was disabled. And Sarah like it's just a perfect way to pray from this like Like i I gotta tell you, this series is great and they they get these salacious stories, but like this is really fucking sad. It's really sad. There should be a mandatory double life sentence for people who do things like this. Because Eren is saying, like, I feel really hard Pass. I think it was a ha just a hope. I'm actually a teacher with the guy. That wouldn't run me for me and not changing it from just from Miller. Just to be with someone who would love me for me and not judge me by my disability. Yeah. And like journalist Sarah is saying, like Erin is an adult who lives with her parents. She's very well aware of her own limitations. And Jeff is just like offering her the world. And it's like not a surprise to learn that all of this is fake and Sarah's behind all of it. So like I'm not giving anything away to say. Evil fucking asshol do you have to be. Who was like getting all the information from our friend Erin while they were chatting all day every day so she knows exactly what to have quote Jeff say thinking about this a lot today. Like there's something really wrong with Sarah. She's not just a mean person. Like there's something really, really wrong with her. Yeah, no, she's not well. No. I mean like No excuse, but like she's just not like clear. This is like murder as far as I'm really bad. It's that level of not caring at all about other people. Well guess what? Tragedy is about to strike. Bad Sarah calls our friend Aaron and is like, oh my God, Jeff and my husband Adam, because we remember their best friends. Yeah. They were in a car accident. My husband Adam survived, but Jeff was killed. And on top of that, Salt in the wound. But then later on, Sarah called me and told me to happen. Um got in a car accident. And and then I don't win the draft I After he passed away, she said he was gonna go to California and proposed to you I have the range. Sarah's like, oh, this seems like a good time to tell you the love of your life is dead, but also he was gonna propose to you, so you almost had the perfect life. Yeah, and she's like, I have the ring and I'm like, cough it up, Sarah. Mail her the ring, girl. And Erin's head is spinning. I know Wait, what? Like and also everything we see this a million times, like they just It's not love bombing, but it's just like crazy bombing. So like the chaos becomes normal. But also like now we're not even focused on the fact that like what are the odds that this guy who met me online knows you and you're now we're like, oh my God, he's dead. Well but also because Aaron says I couldn't even like Erin knows something is up here, but she's like I couldn't even question Sarah because she was such a big part of my life. And if I question her, now I lose Jeff, who may or may not exist it, but then I also lose my best friend Sarah. Right. Also, not to mention Sarah is really going through it. She had Ebola, she's had cancer multiple times. She has a tumor in her spine that paralyzed her. She was having multiple seizures every day, like violent seizures. Like this is the worst. And nothing that our friend Erin is going through can even compare. So it's best that Erin just stay supportive of her friend Sarah. So in 5678, Sarah gets on a zoom with Erin and then has a massive seizure in the middle of the Zoom call. Just to really drive it home. Faking a seizure, like fuck you. I can't even imagine. Fuck you. Punch Nazis and punch Sarah. Like faking a violent seizure like that was my God. Do you come up with that? I know. To be like, you know what? really need to do I really need just to prove that I really have this disorder, how about you fake Ebola, Sarah? How about you wrap yourself up in like a thick blanket and be like, it's freezing in here, it's the Ebola. And you know what I mean? If you want here's my thing too. If you want attention, which Fine, clearly she does. Then like go online and lie safely. Yeah. In a way where like you're just posting and everyone's like, oh my God, I feel so bad for you, Sarah. But to to personally. They super are, but like to to like there's levels of it where she's choosing to rope. Our friend Erin into this and ruin her life and emotionally abuse her. Because I think the damage and the causing of the hurt is part of what she's doing. She's not just trying to lie. She's like literally trying to damage these people. And I part of me thinks that like we're gonna learn, like this woman is a total sociopath. I just wonder if part of it isn't like when people are devastated, what do they look like? I need to get on a Zoom call and s and see. I have to create the I have to create the tragedy so we can actually see what like devastation really looks like on somebody. You want to talk devastation, guess what? Yeah. after these violent seizures. The next day, fair con. So is the name this combo. So now Keeping me up in it. And then we got really close. Because she didn't have Her big sister and I didn't have my best friend. And I'm like, so Sarah's now doing voices as gaps. Yeah. How many profiles do we have? We have Sarah, we have Gabby, we have Jeff. Adam. Adam. These are just the ones we know about. Right, right. So far that's four. Oh. I can't I don't even have I can't even keep one social media profile. Here's the thing, like we talk about this all the time, but like these every case we cover is more exhausting than the last. Keeping the ruse up. But I that's gotta be part of it. And I wonder if Erin is the only one she's doing this to right now at this level. She's probably it would make more sense to like well have Jeff be talking to a couple people. If you're gonna make Jeff have him be, you know, abusing so many other people. Oh my god. Well Sarah recovers. Oh good. And now Gabby is constantly in the hospital for having like different surgeries. Then Gabby dies at age 13. She dies and And it's like God I forgot that when I like I forgot this in my notes. I'm looking at my own notes horrified. Like poor Gabby is dead. And also this has been going on for two years. Because Gabby used to be 11, now she's 13. So this grooming and this abuse has been going on. On a regular daily basis, 10 out 10, 12, 18 hours a day. Can you imagine getting Ebola, then the double spine cancer, then your 13 year old sister dies? Yeah. God. With she had multiple cancers and surgeries and illnesses, and then your husband's best friend is dead in a car accident. It's I mean, what a mess. W She's going through a real hard time. Really crazy. At this point, it was like okay God like How much in but one person. True, you're like okay enough then. This is so unfair. Enough is enough. I know it's not about me. But when there remember when there was like Ebola in New York City a couple years ago? Sure. Like maybe ten years ago, there was like an an Ebola outbreak in New York. Okay. And it was like a doctor got it from a patient who came back from overseas or whatever. Okay. The doctor lived one block away from me. And took the same train that I took home from the hospital the night he got the bull. So like they obviously they quarantined him in the hospital, but before they knew he had it, he had been on the train I always take. I'm like, I'm gonna get a bull on the D train and I'm like that's gonna be the name of my of my memoir. He didn't I didn't get a bulla. But for like a minute I was really worried I was gonna get it. 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And that like veggie packed chocolate milk. And the stickers. And the stickers. Most importantly. Here's what's interesting though, when remember when Eren met Sarah at camp, Sarah was the counselor. Yes. And she was providing care for Erin. But now it's like a few years later. What's amazing is that when Erin knew her, Sarah was the one providing the care. But when she showed up at Camp Summit. Years later, she arrived as someone who needed that same level of care. Sarah is back at the camp, but not as a counselor, as someone who is in need of care because she's had the worst two years of her life. Yeah. And now all of these Illnesses have occurred and now she's a camper at this camp. I hope she doesn't bring the Ebola to the camp. I mean, let's go to Indiana. We're going to Indiana. We're going to meet Bethany. And her dogs. We only get one name, Ruby. I only want to name. This is the thing I never would have even noticed. Did I not know you. I love the name Ruby. Is Ruby a pitbull? 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But I love them all the same. Golden. God damn it. So Bethany, a couple things about Beth. Bethany was Sarah's camp counselor. She also grew up in a cult. And she doesn't want to talk about it, and that's fine. Totally. She talks about we don't know what cult it is, so I'm not gonna pry. I all I can tell you is that I know two other people from Indiana who also grew up in a cult, and I was wondering if it was the same, but I couldn't figure out. I don't know. I'm I actually don't know the name of it. Yeah. Amanda on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills allegedly grew up in a cult too and it real and it ended up being like she just went to a really religious school. Jennifer Tilly's like, But what kind of cult though? But what kind of cult? It's just like um like I just left one day and it's like that shouldn't be that really a cult. Just like a really controlling university. Amanda, like shut up. I'm manifesting that Amanda goes away. Okay, great. But here's the thing, like most cults, again, I'm not prying with Bethany, but she says like the situations I was put in in that cult was very traumatizing. I'm just gonna stop crying too. So I saw a lot, I heard a lot, and I watched girls be put in situations where judgment and shame were kind of the narrative. And so I left. Whatever happened to Bethany, like she's been through some shit, but she leaves the cult, which is hard for many reasons. And one of those reasons is like the cult almost always talks a lot of shit about you. Which is Bethany. You're instantly shunned. And so she says, I didn't have any community. So in order to build a community, she was volunteering with nonprofits. So she worked for the Mari Corps for a year. She taught English in the Dominican Republic, and then she works at that camp summit where Sarah and Aaron both went. So like this is we're getting back to the camp summit because Bethany goes to work there, which is it's the outdoor camp for adults with disabilities. Yeah, and she's telling us about like the bonfires, the cookouts, horseback riding, swimming. I was actually on the website, it looks pretty awesome. I was gonna say those bonfires looked epic. Yeah, and they also they say on their website that they won't turn you away if they if you can't pay, they'll like they'll work with you to make it happen. Everything about this camp from what I know if you had a horrible experience there. I'm sorry, but I'm saying what I learned today is that it's all about like they make shit happen for you. Yeah. What you think can't happen for you, they're making it happen for you. Yes. You think you can't pay, don't worry about it. You think you can't go horseback riding, watch it happen. Because also these key these counselors aren't just like the counselors during the day. They're the live in care at night. So they're literally doing it all. And so we're in Paradise, Texas at Camp Summit. It's twenty fifteen. Sarah is back at the camp not as a counselor but as a camper this time and she has muscular dystrophy and she's in a wheelchair. Now that's a big turn of events. Yeah, and Bethany says the first time she sees Sarah it was on moving day and she came in in a power wheelchair and like This is what everybody says about Sarah. Big smile, just fun, gregarious. Everybody loved her. The only thing that she had like mobility on was her hand. Her like wrist. Like she she could operate her wheelchair and that's it. Other than that, she's completely immobile and relying on Bethany and the other counselors for Everything. So we meet Carrie, who is Sarah's unit leader, which means that she was the lead counselor for Sarah's cabin for the week she was there. Yeah so Carrie's responsibilities and and all of the counselors, they were um giving assistance in the in the restroom, assistance bathing, helping with eating, helping with activities, like very hands-on. I just I can't say it enough because my mom is in a nursing home and my mom needs this level of care. And I have met her nurses and they are the most the people who do this kind of work for other people are you like you cannot I could cry just thinking about it. It is the it is the absolute it's like not a job, it's a calling. It is the absolute definition of selflessness. Like amazing. Yeah. And like the thing about this camp, like I was saying, they will do whatever it takes to help you do the activities that you want to do, which is wonderful. So like Sarah wanted to go on the zip line. They found a way to make that happen for her. So she went across pretty quick and then got onto the platform. On the other side where other caregivers were there waiting and I remember they lowered her down and she laid on the platform and she just sobbed. Like that was the best experience. Thank you for doing this for me. Like I've never been able to do anything like that before and we were all just around her like cheering, like I'm glad you had fun. You know, this is why we're here. I'm so glad that you get to experience this. Everyone is cheering. It's like a beautiful emotional moment all across the board, campers and counselors alike. It's interesting because Beth Karis breaks in here to be like, hey, just hey, it's me, Beth Karis. Just wanted to give you a quick PSA. Hi, how's it going? Okay. If you ever like have intuition that like you're feeling like something that you're seeing isn't quite right. I know, I tried. I know, I know, I know, I know. You more than anybody. I know we'll talk one way. But but Beth just pops in to say like you're you start to get the sense from these counselors like Bethany and Carrie that like Exactly think that that Sarah needed the level of care she was getting. But let me tell. There's a whiff of that, they're the monsters. And people like Sarah do this because there's no no one is gonna be the one that's like Did her leg just move? Like nobody can that's like Should we tickle her and see what happens? Talk about ostracution. Like you can't be the person that's like, I don't think I believe the person in the wheelchair. Like you can't. It's like that episode of the Brady Bunch, I think it is, where like the like the guy like Jones show up? Not that one though. We do love that episode. It was like the fake car accident and like they're in court and then Mike, the dad throws the beefcake on the guy and the guy turns his head around. Yeah. I think it's the maybe I make it, maybe it was 90210. I can't remember. Okay. Could have been the Golden Girls. One of those. Somebody has the foresight to throw a briefcase on the ground and the guy snaps his head around and then it's like case dismissed. This is like the end of many a Columbo. It does. It sounds like it. So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best one is the Dick Van Dyke episode. I don't even want to say it. I can't. Okay, he's a photographer. Okay. And so Colombo learns. I'm so sorry. It's the best reveal ever, but he basically he gets Dick Van Dyke. 60 years to watch. You know what it's not a spoiler. He gets Dick Van Dyke. He's like talking about Columbo is wrongly talking about photography and it's pissing Dick Van Dyke off. He's been annoyed by him from the minute one, which is the troupe of Colombo, but sometimes the murderers are like more annoyed than usual. Dick Van Dyke is like, he's really going against type. It's Dick Van Dyke and he's like the mean murderer guy. He hates Colombo. And Columbus just like, Yeah, well this and this and this and he gets um Dick Van Dyke to be like, No no no, that's not what I did and I'll show it to you and like goes and picks up the evidence and like proves it. You can't handle the truth. And then the moment and Colombo and Peter Fogg is just like Chef's kiss and he's just like and there's a moment and like you as the viewer know and Colombo just goes to all the other cops and he goes, Are you a witness to what he just did? Are you a witness to what he just did? Aaron, give her the hat. Give her the hat, Aaron. And the trench coat. Yeah, and the trench coat. Thank you, Storm. Witness to what he just did. It is. Perfect. But you can't Colombo can do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People at this camp can not. You can't walk around tickling Sarah to see what happens as much as you want to. So this morning routine is described to us. So they help Sarah out of bed into her wheelchair, like totally normal stuff. Taking her to the bathroom and all of her hygiene. This included Sarah having her period for this week and like normally that's like really part of the gig. It's not weird, it's not bro, it's just like what they're doing, right? But Bethany makes a point to say She had to use the restroom a lot that week. At one point it was north of 10 in a day. because she needed pads changed and her wheelchair was huge and it was very hard to maneuver at 90 degree angles where we needed to get it around the toilet. It would take at least two people to transfer her onto a toilet. So I'm trying to get her up, turn her at a 45 degree angle. I have never been so sore in my life. All week they were in the bathroom with Sarah a lot. Like upwards of about ten times a day. Yeah. And part of me was like, maybe this is too icky to mention, but like I part of me was like, was Sarah faking it for physical touch? Like was she f like it felt like she needed people to be touching her. It felt like a humiliation. A humiliation ritual knowing that I'm not like and to be clear In the real world, when someone needs that assistance, it's fine. It's not weird, it's not icky, it's not humiliating, it's like these angel people are doing it. But when you're faking it and like scheduling to go when you have your period and then taking laxatives or whatever. And Bethany shudders at the memory. Like she's like because Bethany doesn't, like you're saying, think it's gross to have to do that for like in a regular time. But like now looking back on this and realizing that like Sarah set all of this up. Bethany like she just can't believe that she was taken advantage of to that level. In a very intimate, very vulnerable It's horrible what she did. And again, to be clear so that it's not misconstrued, it's only Awful because she's lying. Exact exactly, exactly. Girl, Chime is back. This is all about the fee free banking. Can you imagine? I mean, I could have used this back in the day. Like what a racket. 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So at the end of the week, they say goodbye to each other. They're all gonna come back for the spring session. Sarah's gonna be back, Bethany's coming back. But then in the winter, Bethany finds out that she's pregnant. And so she's not gonna be going back for the spring fling. And she lets Sarah know. Sarah's interest in my pregnancy ran pretty deep to the point where, you know, Sarah would just ask me for my ultrasounds pretty frequently. You never sent me the ultra sounds. I thought that was weird. Sarah is asking no less than one million questions about the pregnancy and demanding to be sent to ultrasounds. Yeah, it's so weird. And once again, there's all of this connection, but I guess it it makes more sense because Sarah and Bethany are both adults. Where it's like Erin was a kid and Sarah was an adult, so that felt weirder to me. I mean, demanding someone like she asked for the ultrasound and Bethany's like, and I didn't get around to it because I have a life. And then she would be like, Where's the ultrasound? It's like, Oh, are you gonna try to steal her ultrasound? I mean, so you can use it on some other Unsuspecting victim. So we go to Chattanooga, Tennessee. It's spring twenty sixteen. This is the the spring week of camp. And Bethany's not there. Bethany's not there. So Bethany gets a phone call and they're like, Hey, we need to tell you something about Sarah because you were close with her when she was here and you guys were here together. Like something happened, and I hope you're sitting down. Midweek, Sarah's family, her pastor, they all show up at the camp. They bring Sarah up to the office in her motorized wheelchair. Sarah sees her family, sees the pastor. Doesn't say a word to anybody. She pulled up in the wheelchair. And stood up. say anything to anybody. Just got in the van, they closed the door and drove off. She was able-bodied and was lying about all of this. Stands up out of the wheelchair, w everybody does a little wink and a smile and a smile top of the morning. Bows and off she goes. Gets in the car and everybody just takes off. And like the everybody around her is Stunned. Absolutely. Absolutely stunned. She was lying the entire time. The violation of that kind of a lie in that environment, like no one knows how to handle it. No. Bethany is saying that this betrayal caused like actual physical pain. Like in this moment, Bethany is reflecting on everything that we already said that she had to do for Sarah during the week that they were there. And the amount of empathy and compassion and love she probably felt for this person. All of it was fake. Who could it and all of that time and resources and love and empathy and assistance for someone who actually needed it and deserved it. Right. And not some fucking liar. Yeah. And also Beth Caris says to us like you have to remember Bethany is going through her own healing process, like escaping from the cult, building her own community, like recovering from her trauma. And this probably set her back. 'Cause like you come out of the world of a cult, you don't know who you can trust. You go and you find this community, you are betrayed in this like once in a lifetime way, all of a sudden you're back to who can I trust. Right. And now, like, we're back with Erin from earlier, and it turns out now this whole lie been happening between Erin and Sarah for twelve years. Yeah. And so on this like word gets out. Because I guess Sarah's like known in this community now. And so word gets out that she's been lying the whole time. And this is when Erin's like I didn't realize it happened. That's all time. Gabby wasn't a real person. The pictures that I was getting of Gabby were pictures of another friend of Cyrus. picture Sarah sent of her of Gabby, her thirteen year old dead sister never existed and it was just like a picture of one of Sarah's friends' kids. And Erin confronts her and she's like, Why did you do this? And Sarah, another lie, she's like, I don't know why. Guess you do. Control and attention. Yeah. You know? But also like just like severe Something's fucking wrong with me, Ness. Yeah. Like I just I I I think about this all the time. Like people who want to murder, people who are pedophiles, people who do shit like this. Do they ever have that moment of like why am I like that? It's a compulsion. It is. But it's like were you born with it? Did something happen? I'm I'm just like so curious about that side of it. And when people just have been getting away with shit, they just get more and more brazen. Yes. And you probably need more and more and more to satisfy whatever it was that it used to be satisfied just by faking that you were whatever. Now Beth Karis cannot stand for this. And she gets emotional, which we very rarely see from Beth. Yeah, I do wanna say Beth Karis points out that Sarah stole their time, which I thought was very important. Well she that's what I mean, like time and and energy and resources that like someone else Should have been receiving. Yeah. Fuck you. 100%. But she says, because this is when Beth reminds us again that she had brothers that were in wheelchairs and they passed away a long time ago. John and Joe, right? John and Joe. And like the first time I saw this, I started to cry. Yeah. Cause Beth, who we just love, and Beth is just a good person with a great skincare routine. I'm getting a lot of DMs about the toner, by the way. Everyone's like, toner after serum doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, Thank you. I wanted to know more about the red face mask. The red light mask. I'm gonna get one probably. But to this day, Beth says To this day When I am getting out of the subway. And I'm looking up at the stairs and there's no elevator. I think and my brothers are named Joe and John. And I'm thinking I couldn't get them up the stairs. How would I get them up the stairs? To this day, I still think about that. I can't get them. How do I do what do I do? Yeah. And she's just like she's just so devastated. By like the amount of love and care and thought and attention that she still puts into the care of her brothers all these years later, after they've passed, and like the fact that somebody would take advantage of somebody's emotions like that, Beth Carris will not stand for it. On so many levels, time and time again. So many people I mean, there are countless people, I'm sure, who aren't sitting down for this documentary. Yeah that Sarah did this to. So here's the thing, when Sarah is caught, this is what these people do. When Sarah's caught, she goes to you and moves on. Yeah. Like it's the same routine every single time. So now we meet Elizabeth. Listen, Elizabeth Hiccock's from Rhode Island. I said she is here, dot dot dot over the phone. She is a fancy lady. Yeah. We see the exterior of her house. She lives in Taylor Swift Mansion in Newport. I'm telling you, yes, it is the biggest house I've ever seen. It's on the I love that Elizabeth wants to tell her story, but she does not want to show her face in an ID documentary. Stop giving this asshole any more time or attention. So Liz was a volunteer for the Young Survival Coalition cycling. So it's for like cancer survivors and patients, right? Yeah. Okay. So Sarah tells Elizabeth, Oh my God. They like meet at this event, this cycling event. So Sarah tells Liz that she was a flight attendant and then she's on leave from a flight attendant and she has a 14 month old and Sarah's getting treatment and now she has stage four cancer and oh my God I got the call two minutes ago, Liz. You're the first person I'm telling. I just hung up the phone when you walked over to say that. Bullshit. Also don't give you that. Exactly, exactly. But like Liz is saying to us like that really just grabbed me. Well, of course it did, Liz. That was the point. Right. And like in the middle of all of this, Sarah for some reason is healthy enough to fly down to Florida and visit Liz. Yeah. So like Liz has many homes, one in w like One in Rhode Island, now we're in the Fort Lauderdale house. And like we we learned this thing that this organization, it's like a it's a biking thing. It's like their big fundraiser. And if you can't afford to a bike, but you want to participate, you can apply and the organization will give you a bike. And that's for surviv cancer survivors and people in this community. It's not like I want to go be an ally and support you. I'm not applying for a bike. Exactly. Right. Thank God. So Sarah applies for a bike, gets a bike, when she shows up at Liz's house. When she took her bike out of the box. I said, Well that's interesting. That's not the bite that our charity gave you. Where did that bite come from? And she told me. South West Airlines. Had lost that bike when she flew home from the charity ride. They had given her an insurance. And she went out and bought this bike. Nice bikes to this charity, but this bike was even nicer than the nice bike. We're gonna learn later. This bike is like a forty five hundred dollar bike. And like the bike that the charity gave was worth like six hundred and fifty bucks. But Sarah's got a story. Of course she does. Southwest Airlines lost Sarah's bike and she made an insurance claim and they wrote her a check for 4500 bucks and she went out and bought this bike. Right. So it's much nicer than the charity bike. But like, of course there's an explanation. Now Elizabeth is like Goes home Goes home. Doesn't need to be Colombo. Goes home and go as I said. Googles her and finds a bunch of shit out in about two point five seconds. Which is wild. Sarah lost her nursing license in Oklahoma, and in Virginia, the nursing board issued a notice saying that she had faked pregnancy, not Once but twice. I mean the cancer's fake, obviously. Yes. We have insurance fraud. At the very least. Well, but as soon as Liz finds out about this, to divert Liz away from the nursing and the cancer fraud, Sarah invents a stalker. Yes. She now tells us, but Liz, like who did all the googing and got all the information, is still in communication with Sarah. And she's like. Sarah tells her the stalker is texting her because the stalker is in love with Sarah's husband. Imagine your husband. Imagine your husband, they're gonna be together forever. Sarah's not pretty enough for him anyway. She told me that the stalker knows how to cut the brakes on a car. And make a death look like an accident. They wanted to set up a trap for the stock. And they wanted Sarah to go to store in O'Fallon, Illinois and just shop to try to lure her out. They're setting up a sting at like a Walmart. And the FBI needs Liz's help, but Sarah is communic is the middle person for the FBI and Liz. And Liz is like, okay, so the plan is Sarah's gonna be bait. For the stalker and the stalker is gonna like kill her in the target parking lot. Right. This is the story. I know. You guys it's never the target parking lot they're not being trafficked in the target parking lot. I've heard horrible stories about things that do happen though in in the target parking lot. Did you hear about it on TikTok for Home Meeting? It was on a an episode of Dateline or something. Badgit. Like bad shit can happen anywhere, but it's like not as bad as you think. Right. Well Sarah is gonna be bait for the Target parking lot. Right. I guess who knows but Sarah's gonna be bait for the stalker and gonna just like wander around the Target parking lot so the stalker will wanna kill her in Broad daylight in a crowd parking lot, and Liz is gonna be on FaceTime to make Sarah look like an average shopper. Now, this FaceTime goes on for 45 minutes. This makes no sense. So Sarah, just to be clear, Liz is not there. Liz is at home in one of her many houses. And Liz already knows about the fake cancer, the lost nursing license, the fake pregnancies. Liz is still going along to get along googing Liz. And ha she hasn't spoken to a single FBI person Sarah's telling her today. It's like the barrage of information that Sarah had to give her all at once so she forgot about the cancer and the fake pregnancies and the nursing license and the bike. The insurance fraud Liz is going along. Liz is doing it. So Sarah is like The stalker's here and Sarah runs and Liz goes She told me that shots had been fired. And then the call drops. And maybe about five minutes go by. called back and she said they got her. been apprehended. She said there were You know, seven bullets shot. people were injured and that a bullet hit her in the knee. Seven bullets, five people were injured, I, Crazy Sarah, got shot in the knee, and the craziest part about this, not a single piece of media picked it up. Can you imagine Two o'clock on a Tuesday in a target parking lot. Who is making a phone call having been just shot in the knee? Bullet is still warm. Right. You know what I mean? And also no one's on their phone. No. No one reported this. There's no like, whee. No one's screaming, like she still has her phone. She's bleeding out from the knee. The bill the bullet is still spinning. Yeah, this never happened. No, this never happened. In fact, please confirm this to Liz because Liz calls the cops and she's like, Are you did you guys go to the parking lot at Target because of the seven people that were killed? And they laugh at her face. They laugh at her. The stalker massacre in the target parking lot. So Liz is pissed and also now terrified because what is this person capable of? Not actually thinking there's gonna be a gunfight in her driveway, but like what is this Sarah person capable of now? Liz is also somebody we'll learn in the end who never forgets. She doesn't forgive. Sha we're starting to collect these ladies who are never gonna get over it. I thank God. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar, our exclusive snack, hydration and coffee sponsor. 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Message and Dana Rates may apply. See terms for details. Sampler pack, I'm telling you. Truly. Not just a clever name. No. But it is clever. But it is clever. So we have Sarah's backstory kind of. So Sarah grew up in the suburbs of Illinois in a town called Highland. Her parents divorced when she was a baby the dad was a long haul trucker, so he wasn't around a lot. According to producer Ainsley, Sarah had some level of trauma in her past, but we don't ever learn what that is. We don't hear about it. Yeah. But apparently this trauma convinced her that lying is easier than telling the truth. I mean, no it didn't. No, it didn't. I like Ainsley and you got a tough job, but I don't think that that's right. Well, it just didn't. Like look at Bethany Bethany was in a cult and look at Bethany. Is Bethany pulling this shit? No. Okay. Like no, it didn't. Do we have any members of the fam currently in a cult that are listeners? If you are, make yourselves known. I don't think that can be possible. They're probably not allowed to listen to us. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe they listen on the I'm not making light. If you're in a call, I want you out. Like DM us. We'll get you out. Yeah. We'll get you out. Oh my God. So Liz is now she's been doing this since high school, at the very least. Yeah. So Liz is now tracking down other victims and calls Bethany the camp counselor, and Liz gets them on Phil's show. I was gonna say, you gotta say the name of the show. That guy Phil had a show. We're uh we're back on that show, Phil. Phil. Yeah. And Liz and Dr. Phil, but I know, I know. We don't say doctor because he was never he was only a doctor for like five minutes. Anyway, Phil is covering this asshole. I was like calling him. Sarah's like brought out some bullshit apology. So at the end of the episode, she agreed to go to a mental health treatment facility that Dr. Phil had set up. And so she left the show and went straight to that facility in Southern California. And then to find out a few weeks later she left the facility. and just went back home. And it ends with Sarah agreeing to, quote, go to treatment, but we know how that goes. Yeah. We covered that Phil documentary where like they send you to a rehab that Phil is getting paid for. It's all right. And so like after a week, she leaves. And this is where Phil says, like Phil looks at her in the face. The one thing that Phil says that I agree with, you're a total sociopath. Yes. Andrea Smith is here. She is a spinal muscular atrophy advocate. Her friend sends her the Phil app and they're like, This is crazy Sarah, right? Doesn't it sound exactly like her? And they're like, Holy shit it's her. Hang on a second. The greatest thing that you do now is say Phil. It's like the it is the funniest sensor. Like the the only thing about him that I I know for sure is not alive that his name is Phil. Or is it? Censor the Phil episode. I gotta tell you Andrea, I think is my favorite person in this entire document. She's great. She's like, Oh, I'll tell you a story. She gets receipts and she does not fuck around. And she also like doesn't mince words. She's got like some choice turns or phrases here. No, she's great. So here's what Andrea tells us. In two thousand six, she was a stay at home mom in South Carolina. Her friend loses her daughter to SMA, which is spinal muscular atrophy. Yeah. And so Andrea's getting involved to raise money for the cause and she's throwing some events and she's in this online community with a chat room and that's where she meets. Can I just say we get this moment with Andrea where we're back from an ad and Andrea is doing yoga. She goes, My friend has a theory that everyone is a Winnie the Pooh character. And they say, You're a kanga because everybody you care about, you adopt them, you put them in your pocket, and you hop around with them. You're a very protective mother figure. But then Andrea says, But the other thing about me is that I'm also dangerous. If you piss me off, I'm done with you. I had my so she gets a tattoo that's part kangaroo with a scorpion's tail. Nice. Tells you everything you need to know. And look, she's been burned before. Yeah, totally. Learning. She's putting up boundaries and I appreciate that. She answered the phone it rang when they were calling to ask if she would do the text. I've been waiting for this my whole time so long. Yeah. So this chat room is where Andrea meets Connie. And Connie's son Drake was just it's Sarah. Just so 'cause I know we're meeting a lot of names. I'm just telling you like this is like Connie, uh, her son Drake was just diagnosed with SMA. Connie's a wreck. Right on cue, oh my God, Megan joins the chat. Megan has literally entered the chat, and she has a little girl also with SMA, and Megan and Connie are talking in the public chat, but weirdly They both misspelled the same common word the same way. Tomorrow. T-O-M-A-R-R-R-W from you know Drake and Connie. And then Oh, Lily is so beautiful. Have a great birthday. Tomorrow, T-O-M-A-R-R-O-W. Love Megan and Brooke. And I'm like, oh my God, this bitch is talking to herself. Oh my God, this bitch is talking to herself. Because there's like she's watching the exchanges between Megan and Connie, and they're both spelling the word the word tomorrow. T-O-M-A-R-R-O War. That is crazy. And I have one more story and I have to tell you. I'll tell it fast. I used to work with this woman who I loved to pieces when I was a concierge in Hoboken, New Jersey. She would say, Oh, I put the key to the safe in the draw. Oh, like if you need something, it's in the top draw. And I was like, oh okay, like that's just how she says the word drawer. She sent me an she was closing one night, I was opening. She sent me an email that said, I've left the key in the top D R A W. Yep. I was like. Oh, oh like that was amazing to me. Yeah. Maybe that was how she said it, and then her brain was just like that's just how it's spelled in the world. There was a thing that I like never met I never discussed it with her, but I'm like, this story's gonna come in handy someday. Today's the day. That's how she spells out. T O M. A R O W. Well you know what? That's fine. She's not faking cancer. No. Yes. So that's allowed. Yes. So Andrea says, Oh my God, this bitch is talking to herself, and she realizes that Connie and Megan are the same person and they have the same IP address. Which is amazing. She's like, Let me prove this in five seconds. Because you know that Sarah's such a dummy. She doesn't know anything about IP addresses. No. So I I got one Connie email and I got one from a Megan email. I extended the headers and lo and behold they were both in the same IP address. I felt really comfortable saying Megan and Connie were the same person. We were able to track the IP addresses to Sarah Delashman and Highland, Illinois. That is definitive proof they came from the same computer, they're the same person. this point is only 21 years old. She's living with her mother named Connie. Right. And this is when she's also chatting with Erin, like as Sarah, right? Right. Like this is right after the summer where she was like the good counselor at the camp. This is her f early work. So she's Sarah Connie, but everything is a lie and then she has like the kid and whatever. And it's like this is exhausting. Yes. This is exhausting. And again, not sustainable. No, but it's like it's the don't date Brandon thing. Like Brandon needed to do he needed to create those five hundred profiles and be chatting back and forth with himself, like as his ex-wife and his like. People I don't I m make it make sense. Because they're dead inside. This is what feeds them. Some people eat pizza, some people do this. I asked you to make it make sense and you did. You know? You did. You nailed it. Some people Have food that's delicious, that feeds their soul. Or they watch movies that they love, or they hang out with their pets, or whatever, and that feeds them. But then You looked at me as the kid say deadass and you said because she's dead inside and this feeds them. So This is like our five thousandth. Sometimes, and I say this with love, sometimes the saddest things in the world make perfect sense to you. Yeah. That's I know I know. Right? Of course. I know. It's but that's I don't for you. Sometimes it is helpful to just be like, see, I know the why. It hurts. Yeah. And like the trauma's there and like I'm in pain that this person has done this or whatever. But like it it is very helpful to be like, I don't have to unpack like I wonder why they're doing this. Like an asshole or are they just the you know what I mean? Like I then I get to the Therapizing faster because I'm like I don't need to unp I know exactly why they're doing it. And like, whatever. Okay, great. So once you get there, it's kinda it's a little bit helpful. That's a silver lining. Oh man, been a long nine years. I mean, sorry, everybody. That's that's life, you know. But Sarah's everywhere in this community. And that's when we started looking at the other chat boards and we found her everywhere. She had been active on the Muscular Dystrophy Association chat boards, claiming she either or had children with various forms of muscular dystrophy. There's something There's something not right in there. She's on all the websites, all the chat rooms. Like and now that Andrea can spot the lie, it's like, you know, Connie, Megan, whatever, like Sarah's everywhere. Andrea looks at the camera and goes, there's just something not right in there. Talking about Sarah's head. Andrea and I get each other. Yeah. I could see you with a kangaroo tattoo that's like a scorpion tail. She has it because it means so much to her. It means nothing to me and I'd be like, I hate this now. Now I have to deal with getting it removed. I don't want this. No, I'm glad you didn't get it. I don't want this. But Andrea says I hadn't thought about her for years until the Phil show. Yeah. And then she said that like learning what she did by watching the film show, she wasn't surprised at all to learn that her behavior had escalated. And she's like, I think that she's going to continue to get worse because she's a total fucking sociopath. Yeah, she calls her a dangerous sociopath and it's only gonna get worse because she's just getting away with it and she's learning what works and what doesn't work. It's not that Not on Andrea's watch, because she knows she calls Liz and Bethany from the Phil Show and she's like, Look, I think that you guys actually have a case here you could shut her down because the bike situation seems to be fraud. Remember, the organiz the organization gave her a bike. And then she all of a sudden had a different, much more expensive bike. So there's some shenanigans there. And so uh Liz is on the case and she calls Officer David. Right. And so he is told Sarah's a liar, she has this bike that was donated to her, and it's valued at six hundred and fifty dollars, and now the FBI is involved. Right, so what happened and I love too that like FBI Scott is here and he says The harm that Sarah Delashnet caused was phenomenal. What she stole went way beyond monetary value. She stole and harmed the emotions of people. A lot of very, very good people who were trying to do very, very good things. She stole and harmed people's emotions. It's true. I love that. She's like A monster and she betrayed everyone. But we learned the second bike was bought on eBay for forty five hundred dollars using her mother's credit card. She then lied to the bank saying it was an unauthorized transaction and she kept the bike. I can't the money. And the money. I cannot believe this doesn't happen every day. I think it does, just not on this. Have you ever had the thing where like your credit card gets stolen and you're like I didn't make those five purchases, no questions asked. It's Insane. Yeah. It's wild. I think these companies, because they're like zillion dollar companies, I think they consider it the cost of doing business. Now I would think a forty five hundred dollar charge would maybe raise some flags. And she really had to lie more, which is like great for the case, I guess. But yeah, I think What about like a three hundred billion dollar ballroom? What do you think about that? What do you think that should raise any flags? Uh it should. It's coming out all about I know. It's we're all paying for it. I mean we're paying for a whole hell of a lot of things. I didn't mean to make your day worse. Oh sorry. Uh Just apologize. It's okay, we're almost done. 2020 we got a search warrant. The FBI takes the bike back. I love how they're like, we're taking the search. So she's uh Sarah's indicted on eight counts, four counts of wire fraud, one count of mail fraud, and three Now, did you catch when we were getting this information, they do this like slow zoom in on this like fake regal judge. I thought it was like a real judge who was gonna then be like, and it's judge like Mary K Zemeckis here to tell us about like the No, it's like an actual judge. And like they just like zoom for no reason. Yeah. They just zoom in on this like super regal, beautiful looking judge, and that's the only time we ever see her. Yeah, we could have gotten like a stack of papers. Like falling slowly. Or outside of a courthouse or event. Or like an FBI agent walking away with a fancy bike. Yeah. But I was like, I was I she looked so much the part that I thought we were gonna hear from her. I wonder if she's in other episodes of the show. Oh maybe if they just like had a had her on set for a day or two and then Susan in the all the court stuff. Let's get her in a let's get her in a m in a mall mom outfit. Yeah, that would be great. Grandma at her birthday party. Good for her. Totally bad for Sarah Late Life yoga instructor. Yeah. Sarah pleads guilty. She gets 18 months. She's she is walking among us. She was out in twenty twenty two. She's uh she lives with her mother. She has a Baby. Some advice to whoever knocked her up. Don't stick your d in the crazy. Don't stick your dick in crazy. That's wild, Andrea. She's not wrong. She's not wrong. But it's a hell of a thing to say. I love that they bleeped it, too. We're all adults here. So Ansley, the producer of this very show, has been investigating this case and she says that she's been contacting Sarah for several weeks with, quote, limited response. So Ansley's like, fuck it, I'm making a house. This because we met Ainsley earlier. She's the one who said that like her early trauma made her believe that like lying was better than telling the truth. No. But now Ainsley's like dingling and linging on the door. And like the mother, the mother answered the door. Ainsley's like, I'm a producer for this crazy show where we expose crazy people as Sarah here. The mom's like, Yep, hang on just one second. Mom delivers Sarah to the door. Grabs her by her collar and drags her to the front door. And Ansley and Sarah talk on the front suit for thirty minutes, and she just explains that Sarah's like panicking. She all she wants is sympathy. She's just crying. She doesn't want to be outed and lose her job. And like Some other producer who's also an FBI consultant from behind the camera is like Ainsley. Yeah you're falling for her shit. He says very plainly, she's going to keep doing this, and Ainsley's like, I know, I know. Ainsley's young and she's I feel like this is like maybe her first game. Like she's Ainsley's gonna get there. place to try to see good in people. Ainsley, this is not it. No, this is definitely not it. And the FBI guy from behind the camera is really very plainly saying, Ainsley, do not fall for this. She will suck you in. Yeah. And this will be the rest of your life. Yeah, because like this is this is how we get a scamanda. This is how we get that lady who wrote Gray's Anatomy. You know what I mean? Like it starts like this. And like and like the crimes that this lady committed were fucking bad. Yeah. And so now we meet Paige This is the plaque that I got for being inducted into the music hall of fame in Valmeyer, Illinois. Listen, she's been inducted into the music hall of fame in Velmeyer, Illinois. Yeah. She's got a little plaque to prove it. Yeah. We got a we've been doing a lot of singing on this podcast the last few episodes. Have we who else was singing? In the Glitterball City on Patreon. We had that opera singing. Trophy hunter. And she was also a trophy hunter. See what happens? Days are number. I refer you to Michael Dope. She's gonna be a little bit of a. I'm not wishing death on people, I'm just saying Death happens to trophy hunters. Death does happen to trophy hunters. At the hands of the trophies. It's like you like killer be killed is what that's saying. That elephant looked her in the eye and was like, bitch, it's killer be killed. Page is in a mom group on Facebook. Sarah is also in the group. They met in October of twenty twenty four. Yeah, and Paige is just saying that like the story Sarah gave her was that she'd been doing IVF for 10 years. She's so happy to be a mom, but her husband flies for UPS. He's not home very often. She spends a lot of time alone, and Paige is like the mom cheerleader. Like you're doing it, you're nailing it. Be a part of the group. We love you so much. Once again, Sarah starts to echo Paige's experience. So Paige Her breastfeeding journey is that she had a significant oversupply. So she'd nursed the baby but she would still have to pump four times a day. And she said that's what she was currently going through, that she had this oversupply and and she was nursing her baby. But then she was still having to pump about four times a day. Then she made a post in a breast milk group looking for breast milk donations. Like, oh, that's not what a mom with an oversupply does. Paige is like, that's not really what happens when you have an oversupply. Yeah. You all I thought you had too much. And then Sarah would start lying to two people in front of each other, like she would be lying. To you. Yes. And then to the next person standing next to you also lying about the lie that she just told. Pai overhears her telling somebody else a different story about where her husband is. Knowing full well that Pai knows the first story that was told. Or like do is she even try to keep her lies straight. No. You know? But that's where the danger is. One day she's gonna feel like she has nothing to lose and shit's gonna go Really, really bad. Not if Elizabeth from Rhode Island has anything to say about it. She goes, I think he could get locked up away through a thriller. Yeah, she's a danger to society. never take my foot off her neck. I will always know her she is. And what she's up to. I will never take my foot off her neck. Again, I say good for her. I know. Andrea loves her dead. I know. Andrea's like, I will not stop until she's not breathing anymore. She goes, I've been tracking this crazy bratter on the internet for twenty years because the only way to stop her from really harming somebody is by Her being treated or put in a box. And if she's not gonna get treated, I wanna make sure she's in that box. She won't be able to like a death box? I thought she meant a prison cell. I took it as Andrea wants her dead. She's got that scorpion tail. Could go get her. Go get her. She's a fucking liar. Oh my god, girl, we did curious case of the woman dying for attention. I mean wild pretty crazy, right? I mean the unfortunately it's like, yeah, we've heard this story before. And we will again. Yeah. Sarah is doing it right now. No question. She's doing it right now. How does she get some guy to sleep with her? My God. Uh I know. Well, she did say she did IVF for 10 years. Maybe that part was true. Maybe. Could be. I don't know. There's always one little nugget of truth, who knows? Fam, don't forget to join us on the Patreon over 400 full ad-free bonus episodes, so much other stuff. Go subscribe to our YouTube if you want to watch this episode. This was a very fun and funny one. It's True Compass Us Podcast, almost 400,000 subscribers. Crazy. What do we do next? We are doing uh The Truth and Tragedy of Mariah Wilson. It's on Netflix. Cyclist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very well done. Her friends and family are here. It's a horrible story. A little bit different vibe of what we just covered. Yeah. But highly requested and just came out. Alright, well thank you for the trailer for that. Alright. And we love you. Love you. Stop lying. And stop watching the Phil show. Like if you're lying, stop doing it. Yeah. I think that's a fair request. You'd think. I know. Arrows of the world. Bide. There was no force entry into the residence. Could have been a home invasion, a robbery, but the more we started digging into it, it became likely that something else was going on. Holland Strickland was the last person to see Mariah alive. I bought a pistol and I have actually never shot it. Nobody could figure out a reason why somebody would want to kill this person Grief is like a big mud puddle. I feel a lot of guilt, but I told her mom she was okay and in good hands. From Colin's phone, we realized he had Mariah in as Christine Wall. This was the area not SWAT for T. He raises all these questions of like, do you ever really know anyone? I said the only person I can think of that didn't like it was.