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The Rematch and Final Thoughts

From 504: Untold: Chess MatesJun 2, 2026

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We did the America's next stop model recap just the hero Bells. We just did that dateline episode the Ruse. Yeah. like thirty minute dateline episode that was jam packed. Yep, and our June Pride mailing for the Hero Bells is absolutely the best one we've ever done. Yeah. We also have Drag Wingo from time to time. We do four times a year. Girl, what are we talking about today? This is on Netflix, This is from the untold series, Malice at the Palace, you may remember at the Pal My favorite quote. This one is called Chessmates. It's about a bunch of people who are kind of miserable My entire life and career has been destroyed and I have to de liliver the fact that's every conversation I have about Chress We'll eventually discuss anal beads. Cheating has been happening in chess for hundreds of years. I felt that I was not playing humor. He's entered level paranoia that is not likeane We had Magnus Carlson, the greatest of all time I've been the best player in the world for thirteen years. I only know when I sit down at the board, I am better than God The young talented American with an insane amount of self confidence. I am a God. He's got bravada! The range is not for the camera. You miss. Can't be a nice guy. be a chck unfortunately. Carlson lost to this younger player. Sending the chess world into chaos. They were paranoid, thinking he was getting help from somewhere else. He could have gotten a signal Maybe it was anal beads I don't understand how who you could even think that would be possible. girl, we open in this tiny disgusting New York City apartment. There's food everywhere. and I think that tells you everything you need to know. My note here is that this person's apartment makes Stephven Avery's bathroom look like a suite at the Waldorf Astoria. Okay, so this guy's name is Hans Neiman. He's a chess grandmaster Insufferable, insecure loser. Yeah, not my kind of guy. No my kind of person. I I really like chess. I am not good at it, but I like I agree. H whole like the grand master of it all veryery weird. We go from zero to Game of Thrones very, very fast. Yeah, and also like these names. But like he's whining about how hard it is to be so smart. Genius comes at a price, he laments It's like this guy immediately, you're like, oh, I hate him. I also am just calling bullshit on his backstory. so much Every we hear about Hans is from Hans. Yeah. So like no one's here to really call him out on a ship. And he tells us like just enough, but like not very much. He says at sixteen, he told his parents he was gonna to move to New York. Now, he apparently lived in Connecticut, but he sounds like he's from the Netherlands or something. He sounds like he's from a foreign country He says at sixteen, he moves to New York to live alone. He was going to pay for it himself. He was going to be the best chess player in the world that took precedence over living with his family and having secure he just had to play chess all the time. And his parents said here, takeake allload of money. with God bless Merry Christmas. He says There's periods where I didn't speak to a single person for two months I used to go on these like thirty hour benders. I wouldn't sleep. And I would literally just st sol them just puzzles non stop I just consumed everything I couldit about chess I like to watch interviews of poss players, and I'd analyze their games. I'd be working on the openings, aborbing everything that could. This guy's also gonna be like, I went so long without talking to people. peopleeople don't like me. Never has that scene that I love from the social network been more appropriate. Yeah She's like, you're going to be a very successful computer person and you're gonna go through life thinking that girls don't like you because you're a nerd I want you to know from the bottom of my heart that that's not true. It'll be because you're an asshole. That's great. You know other my favorite line from that movie is dating you as like dating a stairmaster. Oh my God. my favorite thing is Arew Rfs sorry my hoodie my fuck flop pretentious douche Drops the that. Anyway, but that quote is. So this guy's gonna be like, I was so bullied. I was so look, we hate bullies. I understand that This guy is also a bully is a bully. And like a total nightmare. And so he's gonna hear a lot like lamenting about how hard it is to be h. And I wasm like, no, you don't have any friends because of who you are Be you're like. And Chess, I get it. Chess is very I didn't know anything about it. I actually got on chess dot com like like years ago. We'll get to them in a second I can understand that that becomes a thing that you want to get better at. This guy had a laser focused obsess obsession with it. I mean, that's what he says. I don't even really believe it at all. you know, but he says his whole life was studying chess, watching matches, watching old interviews, playing thousands of games online on where on chess dot com So we learn every great player in the world is on chess dot com dot I did not know this Daisy and I play chess on chess dot com d So I didn't I just thought it was like for grandmas. Like I thought it was for grandmas and gay dads. Well, here's the thing, Danny and Eic are here be correct to say we don't look like the average chess player When I say chess player, people think of an old white guy from Russia The Chest is not cool. It's super hard. It's only for nerds. It's not something that's for me. And that's really a big reason why chess. com as the pawn is the logo They want everyone to know that hot guys like them play chess too. It's not just all white guys Mia, everybody. We are at the gym with them watching them like swing kettlebells. It is the douchiest introduction we've seen in open also like everyone sat down for this documentary thinking that they are gonna come out smelling like a rose and nobody does No because these two totally have shit to hide. Yeah. Their whole MO is like we're not regular chess chess players. We're c chess players. Yeah, canan I say one thing? They did mention about like why their logo is the pawn. Yeah. And the pawn, the thing about the pawn if you don't know I'm not a chess G. I love how you say that word. Pan. There's a W in it. I'm not giving you shit. I really love how you say it. Hana. I color with crayons. No, no, oh yeah, no everyone says I in Florida. Yeah. I'm likeange in Florida. Listen, I'd say poawns all day. I'm obsessed. The thing about the pown is that when you get your poawn to the other end of the board Yeah gets promoted you can choose any other piece that you want except for a poawn. You know who's great at that? Daisy tip and. It's the best. But the thing about the quueen and chess is the quQueen is the most powerful piece on the board. She can go in any direction, she wants as many spaces as she wants Of course the queen We'd also don't meet a single woman in this whole thing. We consonsidering the queen is the most powerful piece on the chest. One I dress. But anyway, when you get your little pawn to the other side safely and they turn into a queen. And it's hard very hard to do that. No's? Qeening Oh, I did know that.Qeen out on the chest. I did know that. I thought that was cute. I also think these two might be a little queeny themselves Girl, Ernin is back. Look, this is about getting the money that you have already earned when you want it because waiting is the worst and getting paid twice a month doesn't always work for everybody. 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Er in is a financial technology company, not a bank Access limits are based on your earnings and risk factors. Standard cashouts take one to two business days with no mandatory fees. Expedited transfers available for a fee. Tips are voluntary and don't affect the service. Available in select states, terms and restrictions apply, Visit earin. com for full details. There you have it. There you go Okay, chest dot com started in two thousand five, which I thought was crazy because I was like, who owned chest dot com before that? I know. telling me that the URL was just sitting there empty unowned until these two guys came along. Do you know that Shimrats? I know the guy who owned the broadway dot com and then sold it to broadway dot com. bought the Broadway and then he dropped the v. Yeah yeah, exactly. But he owned broadway dot com and he sold it. For what? I'm care every Probably not that much. our friend R R also knows this guy and he didn't make very much money on it. I don't think. I'm not asking about the money. I was asking like why was why did buy the? Because I think that some people, there was a time that you would buy URLs thinking like this will be valuable someday and somebody will buy it from you. It must have been one of those He didn't want to do anything with that? No, he wanted to sell it. He wanted to like own it and then sell it, which is what he did. I bet he could have gotten more. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah. But these guys are saying they wanted to build the my space of chess It open in two thousand seven, they're telling us they're turning down jobs at Facebook, They're turning down job jobs at YouTube. They were begging knocking down doors to try to get these guys to work for them. And every exactly, everybody is telling these guys that like chess would never be big enough to be investable. They're getting laughed out of offices in Silicon Valley. I'm like, okay, I know. Maybe it's not the chess Then they're like, oh we like we were lefted out of all the offices until COVID. And I'm like, right fifteen years after you bought chest dot comot I know. Am I Math, Yeahes, twenty twenty. Meanwhile Trump is here. We get two jump skeres right away. We get that fucking piece of shit and that goddamn imagine video. I know Back to back. I'm like I know. comeome on today talking about some chess. I'm like, why am I going this fucking stp through the hard part, I think. Those are topough. But chess dot com of course, like America's next topop model blows up during the pandemic. E country that got locked down Reistration by Italy was first to lockown, and every country, as it got locked down, registration bumping up for five X overnight We literally did go from a million daily active users to five, six million daily active people playing cheests. It was crazy Countries are being locked down. chess dot com is seeing a spike in their in their subscriberships. L Italy is the first one to be locked down. Italy is going nuts for chess d. comot Which I thought was a very cool, nerdy thing where you can actually see the spiike space the country. Then the Queen's G gambit comes out on Netflix.ally now everyone's into chess. I knew that was a thing, never watched it. Did you watch that? I did not watch the Queen's Gambit, but I know and loved it. People love loved it. Yeah. So they go from one million users per day to five million users per day. They claim they're worth close to a billion dollars. Eric's like, that's my guest. Do I care's off for sale. Eric, yes, you do it. I know. And so just say it. do. A billion dollars is fucking crazy. But also like we're going to hear Tple like would say. You know what's cool a billion dollars I'm just saying. Truly. And like what they're gonna to say later, I don't just have a hundred million dollars. Yes, you do. You just told us that you did. Well, know that I know that they had at least eighty, I digress again. But this is the other thing too about chess dot com is that influencers are like playing chess on chess dot com and it's like becoming thing been on chest. com for a year. I had no idea that it was cool. I had no idea. Well think the The other people are cool. But these influencers are like taking over and like live streaming. Yeah. And so Danny and Eric, the chess d. com guys are gonna use the influencers to grow their website even more. Like they wan to take advantage of because And this is a thing I didn't know. My friend Matt does this. He like plays video games on Twitch andre. So that's what they're doing here. They like you can like pay to watch people play chess Which I guess if you're like super into it or you want to learn how to play better or whatever. Yeah. But this guy Hans is on there. Here was a young talented American with an insane amount of self confidence. Let's be civil, let's be mature and let's continue with the show. He's got Bravada. Yeah And it makes sense for us to work together and try to help them become a streaming star And he's just insane. He's like screaming. He's mentally unwell this guy. He's screaming, he's like always screaming on Twitch. and just like like also microphones were not built for that kind of screaming back then So he' screaming theyre like audio levels are Yes. It's so hard to listen to. L who enjoys this? Well, I also like this is exactly what he wants So but I'm going to say it anyway. So congratulations, Hans, you got me. Yeah. This kind of behavior ensures I'm going to root against you. Like no questions asked. like the minute I see that bullshit I'm like, whoever the other person is I'm rooting for them. He like he's got the villain narrative that he gives himself from minute one. It starts with them eating Doritos live while he's playing chess Who is watching people eat Doritos like? And then he's like not even folding the bag up and just putting it over here and then we cut to his apartment and it is a fucking pig stack. It's rage baiting. Yeah. But Danny from cheest d. com essentially became a talent scout because he was he's looking for the new influencer that's really gonna to like raise their profile even more. So Danny from Cest dot com for whatever reason loves this whole act. I promise you, there were cool girls and women on that site But we're going to the loudest guy in the room. And we never see a single. notot any of the chess competitions we're about to go to, like there are no women in sight. Not one. So Danny from chess. com loves this whole act because he knows it's going to get some a lot of attention. And he also then starts to mentor Han Yeah, which is very important to note Put a pin in that. We meet Hikaru Nakamura. He's another grandmaster. He's currently ranked number three in the world. He's on chess dot comot So people like him are also there. actual grandmasters. and he's like, this is bullshit. Because it goes from Hans literally screaming to Hikaru being like, we're gonna take it nice and slow. a show game. And he literally says I didn't really particularly care for his brand of antics the old school chess establishment, the view is that you'd be very proper. When you win you say, okay, I won the game, you lose. a guy played better than me. But Hans he was very wild. when he lost games, he would scream. he'd yell. Also when he would win some games he'd be like, Oh, wow, I'm the greatest in the world. I am a God. I did not care for his brand of antics. And that's antics is a great word. Yes, because the only thing genuine about Hans is his raging insecurity because you better believe that shit is real. I also love like we get Hans's worldview right away. He's like, why do I have to be a nice guy? Nice guy' finished last. He goes You can't be a nice guy and be a champion unfortunately. Yes, you fucking can't wholeart Sbody didn't go to the Arres tour. No. You know what I mean? No Prime example of like leading with kindness. Yeah, you know, guy's an assousehole. Yeah. But like the whole thing about this is that the old school way of chess is not like this. otherther than like, it can be very gatekeepy, it can be very clickish, like that's all fine at ike you won you're like, I won the game. You lost. You say, you know what? I'll do better next time. It's like this grandstanding and peacocking and bullshit R from some like Tump is not is very disrespectful to the community. And this is where we go to Norway. We meet Magnus Carlson now. he's the world champion and like this guy our introduction to him is he's on the sidewalk having people throw chessboards at him to sign. He's autographing chessboards. He's been the best player in the world for the last thirteen years. He's Norwegian, he's no nonsense, and he looks just enough like Andrew Rallles for me to mention the resemblance. So one hundred percent, Y en And he's here to like be humble. He's like, I'm not remarkable. I can't believe I'm this good at anything. I'm relatively bright, but I'm no genius. But I kind of liked how he said. he was like, I'm good at this. L I'm not a genius because of that. I'm not amazing. I'm just better at chess than you are. Well, and he like in the cold open of this thing, like we see how good he really is. He's very good It transcends even being good. I think like his brain is just wired in a way that like you know people who like like don't see color, they see color, but they hear music and. hisis brain is it's like he got struck by lightning or something at some point and it just like changed him so that like we see him blindfolded with ten chessboards behind him. He's playing all ten of them blindfolded and he wins every game. And not screaming about it. No. And I do think it's cool that Magnus is like, this is a thing I can do. Yeah. I really like it I'm crazy good at it. I'm better at it than you are and that's cool, but I don't know what to tell you. And he even says he's like sometometimes I feel like I don't deserve it because other people have worked so much harder. Mag. It's almost like that like the personification of money talks, wealth whispers in Magness. Like it doesn't scream, Hans. It's just, you know, these guys that we see. I'm saying guys because we only see men. Yeah It's not like that we see J just being very like chill and cool. This is like something they can do. Yeah. and like he talks about having seen Hans play chess online. He's like, I don't know. I thought his aners were kind of entertaining. He's like he was good, but I would still like easily kick this guy's out. Oh, sure. But well, they play online once, Magnus and Hans. He was pretty decent but I still won the game quite easily Gight. Very pleasing hisis good player happens to be American and Calologs And when he wins, he goes, Mate, very pleasing. Yeah. That's how he wins a game. Yeah, yeah, ye yeah. He's the best chess play in the world thirteen years running. We learned too, that Hans is now winning thirty thousand dollars a month on chess dot comot says Hans. He right. He's one one of the top players beating the grandmasters. And like we learn here too that like online chess is one thing, but the real deal is the over the board. It's the in person sitting down looking at your opponent. They say breathing the same air They say when you beat someone, you can see the pain in their eyes. We see a guy falling off his chair backwards. Another guy is sobbing hysterically and needs to be comforted. Gentleen get gripted on yourself. I was like looking for the lease to his house that he like threw ono the You know what I mean?' what are we gambling for here? Soobbing. Yeah. sobbing hysterically. I know. We're too emotional. Anyway, it doesn't matter So the thing about chess ratings, we're told it's very simple. You start at zero, you work your way up to the world championship level. That's twenty thousand eight hundred and above. Yeah, Hans was ranked at twenty four sixty six. He says nothing special. But his life mission was to become the best in the world. And Magnus is, of course, over twenty eight hundred. He's twenty eight sixty two.s the player G girl, Shopify is back. lookook, Shopify is one of those things that really helps us get started with our business. I remember when we started this podcast almost ten years ago now, we didn't really know how to get things off the ground and Shopify was one of the places we started. Yeah, and the thing I love about it is that you have your own design studio, so they have hundreds of ready to use templates. So Shopify helps you build a beautiful online store that matches your brands specific style. 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I was an absolute maniac and played every tournament that I could I broke the record for the amount of games played in one year I played two hundred and sixty one games in one year two hundred and sixty one games that your apparently he broke a record says, Hans.. Yeah Okay. How exciting is that? I mean cool Hans. It would be cool if you were like an interesting person. I know. You know if that was like your cool chess journey, but like you're a dict. And I I don't care. Every time you start a chess game, it really does the possibilities do feel endless. You know what I mean? When you start a chess game, you're like maybe win this thing and And then it's like You know, once again, like a shit. And then you do it or you don't. and then you just finish your Chipotle and get on with your day. And then you just get on with your life. You know. And sometimes you're the best chess player of the world thirteen years running. Yeah, and sometimes you're not. Sometimes you're not. We don't need to flip backwards in our chair. No. Gentlemen. This guy's not from Connecticut. I don't buy a word of his back. Well he can be like from he could be born somewhere else and then like from Connecticut. You know what I mean? That makes sense. But like once again, though, it just shows us that like everything he's saying is a lie because like we get where's his parents? Where's anybody that knew him in high school? Zero. So Hans is invited to Miami for the FTX crypto cup bar. I know It's an esports chess event spectacular. I'm like Jesus, calm down. But the only time we do see women is when they're like in bikinis being fan girls. They make them look like chess groupies, like in bikinis at the pool here for this like chess open I will say every time they cut to an audience at these chess tournaments, these people are young and hip, they're all drinking. It's like an event. Cuse it's interesting thing to do. I just really open my eyes to like who is participating in all of this. I mean, like playing chess well. Like I always say this, I love seeing people do something that they're really good at and enjoy it. P's a room well, I can't. But it's also like it's like golf, you have to be Right. Yeah. Seriously, they're gonna start screaming or falling backwards out of their chair or sobbing or whatever. Y. And it's like like I would be like w, like I would want a chair for my person. Yeah, You can't do that. can't do that. There's no fun at all here Yeah, like Yeahah, I'd be esquirted out. Yeah Ma'am. Sorry. But Hans is running his mouth as per screaming about how he's going to be and every single person there, especially Magnus. cut to Magnus. He's like this child is delusional. Yeah. H' playing as a top chest player. He is not that. We also hear somebody here says to us a lot of the players who eventually make it to the top There's some defining game or moment very early in their careers like this great game, this masterpiece they play that's just talked about. You step back, you look at them and you're like, wow, this is amazing. They're destined for greatness And Hans never had any of those moments In order to be the best, you have to beat the best You needed legitimacy Hans never had that moment. Well, he's doing very poorly at this crypto thing. He's losing all of his games. and Magnus says it is very, very clear that he completely lacks any understanding of chess as a whole. Like He' barely lasting fifteen moves. It doesn't make any sense that he was there. And the whole thing about chess, as they say, when they say like playing chess, not checkers, you have to think more than fifteen moves ahead. That's why I'm not very good at it. And this kid is not doing that and he doesn't even understand the concept of like certain openings or certain moves. like sometimes you know like if I do this they're going to do that andice the the bishop or whatever the roook Whatever right? So like but he's the night He's like Totally misunderstanding everything about the game. Memorizing, by the way, how those pieces move was not an easy process. What is the roook do? The which one is the roook? Is it is the roo the building looking. Oh, that's can go like as many spaces as you want in a straight line. Yes. So like the bishop goes diagonally, the knight goes two up and one over or one over and two up. That's the one I get stuck on. Oh That's the one I'm like, wait, what I feel like I'm doing the back one that's the hardest to predict the other person's next move. Bea I really ye. And then the king can only go one square in any direction and then the queen can go in wherever the fuck Whver the fucks want. So I memorized it. and I do enjoy playing it. And the pawn can only go one space. It goes two or one. So the first time you can do two. Yeah. And if you don't do two on the first, you can't do it. And you can only knock people out diagonally and only dagonally going up Yes. Y yeah, you can't go backwards. Yeah. Thanks while. I'm done. We should play Ch. M moveve over Magnus, Magnus, please. Magnus and Hans sit down to play. Magnus is doing amazing. And Hans is about to lose, of course. But then at the very, very, very last second, he like pulls something out of the thin air and he turns it around in the last second and beats Magnus. Magnus two camera today says I had no chance in that game whatsoever which is Really weird We're not on the same level like I'm alone Better than you are It was just a complete beat downown. Hans beats the number one guy in the world. And he's the lowest rated player there. And then he goes outside to be interviewed and the guy's like, so Hans, yesterday was like a terrible day for you, but today you beat the best in the world. likeike what do you have to say? And he just looks at the camera and goes, justust speaks for itself. And then runs away as the interviewers like chasing him down the hall. So let's just slow down on this. You're telling me the person who screamed his head off Every single move in every game online, the person who was determined to beat the best player in the world, just did that. Yeah. justust did what he has been screaming about and he suddenly doesn't want to run mouth. He's quiet and running away and running away from the camera can't answer a question. None of his friends and family are there to support him. How weird is this person?ir. You know what I mean? So like s, why is this guy quiet? and not you would think that he'd be grabbing the microphone, running up and down, screaming about how he just beat Magnus, and he's running away from the cameras And the reason is he doesn't want to be asked any questions because he can't can't answer. So this chess spepeak for itself clip goes viral. Some people are loving it because he's like shaken up bad boy of chess or whatever.. And some people are like, this is fucking weird. So now we get Hans's evil villain backstory. I was not groomed to be a top chess player eight different schools and boyid to every school I went to for being this sort of chess outcast. So when I was teen, I take the train in from Connecticut to New Yor They play against the hustlers for money te he starts taking the train from Connecticut to play chess against the hustlers in like Washington square. I mean Th these are bad ass guys. They're great at chess. And they're also just characters. like they're here and like they they're sort of talking about how like he was not good and then he got better only by playing them because they think they're the best in the world. and they're like they're actually really proud that this shitbag comes from this culture And it's a cool culture. Like if you're ever like in Washington Square Park Yeah, W them because they're like boom, clock, boom, clock. It's crazy. It's wild. Yeah yeah So just to be clear, everyone's like, he cheated, right? The fact that he ran away from that interview. the seeds are being planted that he there's going on here. So now we're at the Sc Field Cup which is the most prestigious chess tournament in all the land in Saint Louis. Can I just say that this whole thing has like a quidditch air to it? The fact that it's called like the SinkQuill cup or the whatever you whatever the cup is called I'm like, it just feels very quiditchy. And I wrote quQidditch QUI DD ICH and I didn't get the red bar. I think that's how you spell it. Is that right? I guess. Is a te in there? I don't know. I guess not. According to my computer, there is not. Well, if the red bar says so or doesn't say so. But this is the most prestigious chess tournament in all the land. The ten best players in the world show up. It's like the most watched professional chess event and it takes place in Saint Louis. This is no shade to Staint Louis. It just caught me off guard that that's where this big chess thing being played or the women Like, why aren't there there have got to be incredible female chess players? I'm positive of it, but none of them are the ten best in the world. This is bullshit. The fact that there are no women in this tournament means the whole thing's rigged. It has to be. Yeah. it doesn't make any sense. That's wild that we haven't met some amazing female chess players. But also like, would you want to do that? Like I don't want to be here. but you know of course, that's the thing. It's like, we shouldn't be like, well, I just won't do the thing because everyone else is an asshole. Yeah. L that's not cool either. Yeah. So anyway, Magnus is there, Hans is there. This four person Hans fan club is outside with signs There were a couple of girls who show up to the Flaying home. They said they're the Haanans Demon fan Club I don't think he knows that we're here, so I really hope he comes out and sees us. L loveove it. I did not pay this girl to show up As long as you would fanticope, no no And Hans wants us to know he definitely didn't pay these women. Hans, you one hundred percented. I agree, except that Hans seems the kind of guy that like some women would send mail to after he killed fifteen people and was in prison. Well, he's got that nightstalker air about him. Well, 'cause they're holding these signs. like Hans has cool hair.. Jen Zs love Hans. and I'm like, Jen Zers, do you call yourself Gen Zs? you say be like, hey, millennials love Magnus or whatever. like And by the way, if we're doing this, Magnus has the better hair. L Magnus sure has the better hair. Put him next to Andrew Reynolds. Yeah. It's like just enough of a resemblance. Yeah. And the Magnus hair journey and I only say this because he's got the hair I would have killed for her really is an evolutushe throughout this whole thing. By the end, he's really got it figurered out It's really, really great hair. Yeah, these people could be wanting to like jump on the influencer, you know, all attentions good attentions. Yeah it might be that. But I he easily also could have paid them. I mean, he has a ton of hisis parents have a ton of money. Yeah. So like none of these people want Hans there. And like some of them are considering withdrawing from this like huge event just because they're like, how did this kid get here? 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People cannot believe what They're see And then we like jump to day three, the big the main event, Magnus versus Hans. and Magnus is like the thing that really sucks about this is that he doesn't trust his opponent, which is not a good place to be. When you are sitting down across the board, you should really be saying like we're going to have a good game. We're going to play to the best of our ability. You shouldn't be like, why am I suspicious of you? Like that's not really the point. It shouldn't be there at all. Part of this too is that like there's the whole psychological component to all of this, like the psychological advantage and everyone is saying that Magnus should have it because he's been the better player for so long. but now maybe Hans has it because he's like the weird like the weird one that nobody trusts So they sit down and Magnus goes first. So I'm gonna try and surprise him in the opening a bit And I picked kind of a rare line. An unusual approach by magnus in the opening These types of move orders are chosen to trick your opponent. Frankly, this type of approach is Magnus Carlson's specialty. It's a bit of a risky line and he plays the exact best best move Hans has the exact perfect response move. Like whatever the exact right thing to do when somebody does that opening, Hans knows to do. From like a zillion this opening is like an old school for the like formally trained Yeah people who love chess like super old school. Now Hans, who learned chess in Washington Square Park and has no formal training knows the exact Right respond. He shouldn't even known what it was What he was doing. And like it starts to go downhill for Magnus so fast to the point that I was surprised that Magnus was so outwardly showing his distress because at one point he's like leaned like he's at both of his hands and everybody is like no one has ever seen Magnus behave like. You know why? Be he is seeing a bzillion moves ahead. Yeah knows where this is going. like early on in the game, he's like, oh my God. And meanwhile, Hans is sitting across from him and like Magnus is saying to us now Hans is acting like, I totally got this. I'm barely putting any effort in. I know exactly what to do. I'm so much better. This is nothing for me. I mean, because his ego is such that he can't even like fake it a little bit. You act like you're kind of struggling for a second. Yeah. he can't even do that. So Hans wins. Hans wins and his postgame interview is once again really weird and suspicious because he can't explain any of the moves he made, especially like his explanations are not making any sense and Hans because they're like Hans That rare, obscure, totally crazy opening move for Magnus, likeike, how did you know? I mean, the exact right move. That's crazy. Yeah. Hans' response is I was actually very fortunate that this opening came on the board and I looked at this today. You guess this opening today? I don't guess it, but some miracle had checked this today. I have no idea why I would check such a ridiculous thing such such a ridiculous miracle By some miracle, that very morning, he actually looked up that rare, obscure, unusual opening. And I'm like, even to a dummy like me, this seems ridiculous. No, and we're told by the chess dot com guys there are over ten thousand possible opening moves you can make. And they're like the idea that Hans that morning just happened to look into the response to that one They're like it's a one in ten thousand chance and the other one's like, but it's possible. And now I would believe Hans more, not fully, but a little bit more. if he was like, I knew Magnus was out to get me. so I spent time studying the weirdest, most obscure stuff 'cause I knew like that's playing chess, baby. Yeah. I really did. If he would say that, But to be like out of all of the openings and all of did this one. What what are the odds? And it's like nobody believes him. No. We mean Henrick is here Magnus's dad. Yes. And he's like, yeah, I felt bad that my son was losing, but he wasn't suspicious at all until he to Magnus. Yeah, Magnus comes back and he's like, dad, thats son of a bitch was fucking cheating. And his dad's like, oh, all right, well let's get to the bottom of it then. So now we're back with the chess dot com guys and they're telling us that like cheating has been a part of chess like from the very beginning of the game, which obviously. And now with like AI, it's gotten way too easy And he's saying that with a chess computer, you would beat Magnus Carlson one thousand times out of one thousand times. Sure, there's code, there's programs, there's apps, but like and online cheating in the online chess world is rampant. It's so insanely easy to cheat. peopleeople are doing it all the time. But cheating over the board is a very, very different story. Right, becausecause they make the point that like in other sports, like track and field or bike racing, like you do the cheating before the event. You're taking the steroids, you're doing the whatever But in chess, you have to do it in the moment. Right And so Magnus and his dad think that Hans has been cheating. And Magnus even says He explained basically that he had been highly suspicious from the start of the game This was N Tan playing. he was playing some some computer Andus what you mean It was cheating I felt that I was not playing a human It didn't feel like I was playing a person. felt like I was playing a robot. It felt like I was playing a computer. So like Magnus would like think about his move and then all of a sudden it would just be like mechanical. you know, Hans would know exactly what to do to counter. about how Magnus knows that. He's the bestess player in the world thirteen years running, which means that he is constantly playing different people, his entire career. So he knows what it's like to sit down with someone who's actually going to play the game with him as opposed to cheating through the game. And And he's played so many times that he knows what it feels like you're saying like he knows what it feels like to play a person R. So like when something is off, like we can take Magnus' word for it because he knows because he like this is what he does W to Danny Chest dot com. becausecause remember Danny fromrestot com was mentoruring Hans Hans is famous in this world because of Danny. Danny like discovered Hans and thought let me get the screaming guy who's insufferable into the world of chess. So when Danny calls them back, he's like, I know what this is about. This is about Hans cheating, right? Right. And so the chess dot com guys are saying that like we found cheaters on our platform early and they're like here to talk about it And they're like, when Hans was the kid was cheating, like early on in Hans's like rise to prominence, there were like whispers around the office staff that like Hans must be cheating. And Danny like absolutely does not want to believe it. He's like the biggest cheerleader that know Hans is just good and he's getting better. He's definitely not cheating. Well guess what, everybody? Hans cheated on chess d. com Danny from chess dot com knew and when people ask him about it. sometometimes he' lie to them And say Hans was not cheating.oid And he's like, oh, it's to avoid a scandal because it's in his best interest to keep chess dot com a cheat free site. And I'm like, yeah, you want the money too., Butt your reputation damage you brought him in. you're his mentor and he's been cheating this whole time. These guys totally have blood on their hands with all the stuff that happened. And I can't believe we don't talk about it There's more to. Oh, okay. So what happens is Danny says unfortunately, when we peeled back the onion, we saw that Hans had been cheating borderlines since the first day he joined justess dot com dot Talking to someone about the fact that we've caught them cheating is a little bit of a well rehearsed script for me This call was unique in that Hans immediately started donighting. And the moment I told him that this was no longer up for debate, he burst into tears Pan switches tactics and like bursts into tears. and he's like, please, please don't ban me because if you ban me, then everybody will know that I got banned for cheating. So Danny helps out of this bind which is insane and a major conflict of interest and like not how they would treat literally anybody else. And also like like you were saying before, the reason that Danny helps them out of the bind is because they don't want the scandal on chess dot comot Like if people were to find out that there was cheating happening on chess dot com, the whole thing would go down. So it's like it's in Danny and chess dot com's best interest to kind of sweep this under the rug the best they can. R So Danny lets Hans control the narrative, but he doesn't say anything about cheating. Like Hans doesn't admit to cheating. What he says to everyone is like, hey I' close this account and I'm going to start a new account and like that's my new name. and like this is where you should follow me now. Yeah. And that doesn't say anything about cheating and Danny lets him do this. they wouldn't let anybody else get. And Eric, Danny's business partner was like, I was surprised by how generous you were. And then Danny legit looked at the camera. he's like, I was trying to avoid a scandal. About yourself, Danny. Right. I think that that's what he's saying. Yeah. I think he's, I mean, whatever, this is like a shitty thing and they should be totally called out for this But I think Danny is acknowledging like we did not want tona scandal on this. Because to be clear, Danny put this guy into this world then lied for him and has been protecting him. like this is a much bigger deal than the dooc is presenting. And Well and it's the reason the Doc exists in the first place, I think, is because because Hans got away with it in this venue, like I think he thought he could go on to do it in any venue and he would always get away with it. And it's so weird because this is when Danny tells us about this big bombshell from this call with Hans Yeah and he's like He started asking me specifics What games exactly did I cheat in How does the algorithm work Do you think I have ever cheated over the board? It felt like to me that he was trying to pinpoint how we got him And that part of the phone call never left me Oh shit, we can never trust this kid again Hans started asking Danny a million questions about how they caught him. Right As if he didn't want it to happen the next time he che. Like he wanted to learn from his mistake so he can go undetected.. And Danny won't spill the beans, but he says he was like, oh, wow, we can never trust this kid again. And I'm like, and yet you're parading him around at these over the board tournaments. Right, Right and And' defending him. L what? Now, this is where these are starting to connect the dots. that if Hans has been cheating this long on the online games He's probably cheating over the board too. and that would have been how he would have been able to beat Magnus. So now it's day four the bigig stuffy tournament and Magnus and his father have talked to dannyhest. com danyhest d. com very secretly said, you're absolutely right Hunt. I don't know if he's cheating right now but I know he's been cheating the entire time. I've known him and I've been like covering his ass, right. ag doesn't say anything. Yeah. He removes himself from the tournament, which is saying everything. but he doesn't say I know that Hans is any tweets about it. Yeah's just like, I'm leaving the tournament. I hope to come back and everybody knows like what the implication is. And he uses I had to look up what this is, but he uses this very famous clip from some soccer coach from twenty fourteen saying like, I prefer not to speak. If I speak, I'll be in big trouble. And that's the video he used. Us that phrase, I guess when this all happened in twenty fourteen, I can't tell you the details of it. was whyy is he using that? I didn't know what that was either. was like, what is this? So I looked it up, but it's just like it's a very big thing in the soccer worlds from twenty four.. So him using that was also like saying something without saying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahah. So Magnus has made himself very clear that him removing himself from the tournament is all about Hans and ublic accusations. Yeah, and it becomes like pandemonium in the chest world. They Wh they use Pandemum. Everybody already thought this. Everybody already thought that the only way that Hans' could beat Magnus was through cheating. And now King Magnus has confirmed it. Yes, and they're like, but how could he possibly have done it? And they're like, did he have an earpiece? Is there some kind of signal device? Everybody was going back and reviewing footage as to what could have happened Did his jacket look a little bulky in this area How come he', you know his ankle is itchy all the time. And in this discussion in one stream on Twitch someomebody in chat Sad. Maybe it was anal beads. Someone introduces the idea of cheating through vibrating anal beads. And that is all anybody needed for all the late night shows to pick it up. Now everyone not in the chess world gives a shit about pandemonium in the chess world. someone mentioned anal beads. I'm tal about queening. It's talk about queening. abolutely. That's our area. You don't get to have it chess worldld. Hs, please. But like watching all of these like like British commentators trying to be serious, discussing it, somebody says a vibrating sex toy in his rear quarters. I was like, girl. Right. And now it's like it doesn't matter how true it is. It's salacious. It is now considered a legitate Theory Some people are saying it's the truth. know the shit. He cheated. Like I will I will go to my death thinking that this son of a bitch cheated. He's offered one million dollars to play chess naked to prove that he didn't do it. He doesn't take it. No he doesn't take it. 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It's like very obvious that this is happening, but nothing has been said by chess. com yet, even though they made it official to Magnes. But Hans just for the record is real mad about the anal beads thing. ' his telling of his life story, he's worked and scraped his way up And it was very sad to see my life's worked just like burn in front of my eyes Yesterday probably had explain that didn't use an was but about five different times to five different people. That's what my life and all my accomplishments and all my work has been boiled down to fucking anal beads. And now all of his life's work has been reduced to anal beads. And I'm sure he's been super nice to every kid he's ever met Please But he's being the one bully. Are you kidding me? This guy is a bully through and through. He also stays at the tournament after Magnus leaves the next day he gets like an extra wanding. Like they're really who the but. So after all of the speculation is all everybody's talking about, he kind of has to address it now. it's on Colberar like we got to talk about it. Yeah. So during some interview, he says Okay, like cew the tears, like squeezing a couple tears out. When I was sixteen years old, I randomly cheated on chess dot com. I was confronted. I confessed. it was the biggest mistake of my life. I am ashamed. Now today in the documentary, sitting down, he has a different story. He says when he was twelve years old, he cheated a total of nine times on chess dot com Q Ferris Bueller, nine times He like stopped cheating. and then when he was sixteen years old, he cheated about twenty to thirty times blah blah, blah blah. But again, never since the age of sixteen. Now Danny from chess dot com says that Hans admitted to just enough to get sympathy and that anything they said would make us look like the bad guys. And I'm like, right, Danny, do you know why? Because you'd have to admit that you knew how much he was actually cheating. This might be the only time Hans actually played a little bit of chess. one hundred percent Also like what's a cheater always a cheater? But truly if I were a fan following this guy, like I cared about his career, I'm subscribed to his Twitch whatever I would unsubscribe from everything. I'm like, you can't believe a word this guy says. He absolutely cheated in that over the board game with Magnus. He cheated in every other time, but not give me a break. Like a one in ten thousand chance that Magnus was gonna use the perfect opening and then he was gonna know the perfect response There's we never really come back to this, but like he cheated. Yeah. He cheated in that game. I don't know how. I don't really care how. I don't like I don't because I would like to know like you because like this is not going to keep me up any n. No, but like for the sake of the of the documentary, like I like he'll never admit to it. We'll never know how. But the thing is after this, I went to goirchest dot com to log into my account Tas for was working. Because of this game againsts Magnus, because of what he said, they have decided to completely remove me from the website. or did they give a reasoning? no reason. That was a permanent ban from just d. com And they also removed my invitation from the Gloob Watchers Championship with a first prize of two hundred thousand dollars All of these things are happening at once. He gets banned from chess dot com. He gets sort of accused by Magnus of cheating. Yes. So Hans is like, this is all a conspiracy. they're all out to get me. Here's what's also happening during the accusation for Magnus and the cheating scandal, whatever. Chess dot com is about to strike a major business deal with Magnus Carlson, who's the best chess player in the world thirteen years running, but he is now playing on chess dot com They're like, that's crazy. He has his own company called the Play Magnus Group whichich consists of thirteen chess companies, and it's chess dot com's main competitor. Obviously, they want magnus on chess. com Yeah. And they have for a very long time. They say this thing that it would be like having the NBA, but LeBron James is competing in a separate basketball league. I was like, this documentary is not for me. I mean what are you talking about? But they pay, chess. com pays the Magnus group eighty million And worth every penny, I would think. I mean, if they're valued at a billion dollars now, you know what I mean? And like now they're buying everything. it makes sense, but Hans is saying like, of course it's fucking coordinated They have to pander to their business partner, Magnus, you know, they can't They can't upset him too much or the rice is going to throw out their tantrum and when a baby starts crying, you know You have to give them something to shut them up. Well in order to keep King Magnus happy, chess dot com outed Hans and banned him and ostracized him and this is all part of the plan and like this was all their big heist. But you know what? it's not a bad argument because it all did happen at the same time. True. L and sure like they probably listen to Magnus because they care more about Magnus and this business deal than they do about this punk. one hundred percent. and I think at the end of the day, I think if you're Magnus and believe that Magnus did this, but I could make I could see like, okay, if you want this deal, if you want me to sh my company, you want me on your platform, you gott to get rid of this idiot. You want to know why? because and I've never done one of them, but I can imagine that eighty million dollars deals don't start and end overnight. Of course. This was years in the making probably. in some sense. So the fact that Hans is like they're all out to get me and it started yesterday and now we're here. likeike Hans, you're not that important. R. You're not nobody gives a shit. This deal is literally It's a bigger deal than you play. Y hundred percent. No one cares. But now that Magnus and his family have access to chest dot com because they're part of the company, Magnus and his dad, who by the way, is also his manager, they go to the chest dot com people and they're like, because chest dot com has the best anti cheating technology in the world according to chess. What they say. And so they're like, we want to know if you can take that anti cheating technology and apply it to the over the board games. and let's see if we can prove whether or not Hans cheated in the game that he won against Magnus. And chess dot com is like, Ohh my God, say no more. Absolutely one hundred percent. We did a very thorough job investigating all of Hans's games online. and it was one of the most eye opening things because he had cheated way more than even we thought. The online cheating was rampant. He had cheated in well over a hundred online games And I thought the truth was that Hans Niiman cheated over the board at the twenty twenty two Singfield Cup full investigation, they found out that he was cheating They use the word rampant well over one hundred games from day one, he was cheated in every game he played. And it's like to hear Hans look at us two cameras and say I cheated like four times when I was nine and sixteen times when I was sixteen or whatever, like absolutely not. total fucking bullsit. It's also a bad lie. How do you know it's too specific. But when you're cheating at like a math game on a website, you know there's some nerd in the back who's gonna to be able to figure it out Like you should thank your lucky stars that Danny prected you for as long as he did. Right? Because it's also fraud. Like if you're making thirty grand a month on chest dot com and like it's all fraudulent, like they should be suing you. But you know what he might be doing He might be streaming through Twitch, it's probably not through chess dot comot He's probably playing and then like screaminging there. That's probably out as still still fraud. Like I get it. Yeah. But it's a seventy two page investigation. and apparently, there was no evidence of Hans cheating over the board. Can I ask a question? Sure. Wh do we not get any information of what was in this report? I don't know because it makes no sense when you take when you take one half a step back and you're like, am I crazy? So he cheated his way online. Yeah. He cheated his way to the tourament He doesn't actually understand the game. And then does a one in ten thousand like like reverse move on the guy who plays the He cheated. And you won't talk about it. Right. So like, but also I want to know like how Okay, so you are telling Hans and his dad that your anti cheating technology can determine whether or not this guy cheated not on your platform, but somehow over the board in a tournament that you are not associated with in any way. Right. So when your report says that he didn't I would like to see what's in the report. I would too and the chess d. com oversold this big time because they didn't want the deal to go away with Magnus. But then everyone, Magnus and his dad included, just take the chess. com guys at their wor, which I guess they have to now because they're like they've sold their company to them. likeike they're part of the family.ight. But everyone's like they didn't have the smoking gun I felt pretty bad. I felt that It'd sort of been gased a bit by Danny and Chess. com into thinking that they had evidence, which they Ready didnn't. Even Magnus is like, feel really bad for accusing the guy of cheating. he fucking cheated. He cheated. And like, I just kind of can't believe that the chess dot com guys weren't held accountable in any way for protecting this known cheater? Like am I overreacted? No definitely not. We're just stuck on different things. I agree with you completely, but I'm just like, how on earth could your anti cheating technology have proven that he didn't cheat in an over the board game that you guys weren't even ask? I think because there's no way to take the online anti cheating and put it into real life. It be no way. It's got toa be a totally different thing They oversold it to Magnus. Yeah and over promised and under deelivered. Right. Because I'm like, how would your anti cheating technology detect an anal bead? I'm not saying that's how think he did it. What if he did? walk me through how you're just show the report. Tell me any show your work. show your work. exactly. That's what I wantan to say. Because I just it really frustrates me that like the chess d. com guys, Magnus and his dad from this point forward Hans definitely did not cheat in that game O bad. And I'm like, really Yeah, you don't have to be Columbo, like I always say He cheated in everything else, but this. Right. He can't even explain the game. And like I don't know when we get back to it, but I'm just gonna say this as soon as he wins that game against Magnus, Magnus then leaves the tournament, then like he's accused of cheating publicly since this whole thing controversy the last few days It's been impossible for him. It's the one that he held on he held on for for so long before it started coming unglued There was a point where I was L in the mirror I What am I going to do He loses every other game in the tournament because he magically knows now there's a billion eyes on him and he can't do anything sketchy and he doesn't just lose. He loses badly. like he gets his and he'll be like, well, I couldn't focus and I was dealing with anal beads and whatever. I'm like, no bitch, you knew that you couldn't cheat anymore. Yeah. That's one hundred percent right. You know. So we're told by Magnus that Hans sued everyone and their dog for one hundred million dollars. It's a good lawsuit cut to Hs, this is so trumpy because he's like everyone hates Magnus. His own friends all of his friends are telling me all the time that like they hate being around him. and I'm like, whereere are your friends girl? We can't We haven't met one single person in this entire documentary who says one good thing about you. Like all you know to do is how to be a victim. That's it. That's all you know how to do. I gotta tell you, like we learn eventually that this lawsuit settles out of court P of I was desperately trying to find out how much there's no information. But he also was reinstated on chust dot com as part of the settle. Well, Magnus says, he didn't wantan to settle. Yeah. but he says but also the US legal system sucks and it's really expensive. Y. And I think Magnus was like, you know what? I don't know, but like the vibe I'm getting from him is like I don't really have time for this. I'm just gonna keep being the best chess player in the world because that's proven.. and like this punk will fade away. He's also like, I just made a cool eighty two million dollars. I'm not gonna spend it fighting thisit. All Hans wants is the fight. Yes. All he wants. If we just stop talking about him, maybe he'll go away So two years later we're in Paris It's Magnus versus Hans the rematch. some over the board game. He cheated his way into this tournament again just can't figure out how this guy is taken seriously enough still in the chess world that he's invited to these competitions. Magnus Carlson world number one just took down Hans Neiman Magnus Carlson dominated this match He wanted to settle things not in the courtroom. but on the chessboard So L says Hunans wanted to settle things and not in a courtroom, but on the chessboard. so Yeah. And then we did again. And he's kind of even now, even after all of this, he's like still a gracious winner. But like watching, I was riveted to watch this chess match. They only giveave us like three minutes of it in a documentary, but I was like, what is gonna happen? Again, like they cut to the crowd, it's all young, cool looking kids, they're all drinking And I'm like, if were wherever if I were in Paris that week, I would have gone of this chest. It's like dark lighting. Yeah kind of I know. it looked like very cool. Chest is cool. But now like it ends with Hans rambling like a lunatic about seeing the future and he's a stone cold killer. And I'm like, you're so angry and so insecure. And I kind of I'll get shit for saying this. kind if we won't bevering another documentary about Hans in the future. I know. And that's all I'm gonna say. I was saying like it was great to watch him lose. He he's saying there I know. It was so great to watch him sort of get some sort of come upance. No sportsmanship at all. No like, all right, congrats, like the better player one. He's just sulking Touting so like where it's the same thing. It's like Trump sue everybody if they're lying. Like why aren't you saying like? I know. And it also ends with Hans saying, noody knows this, but I'm gonna be the best player in the world because I know things the world doesn't and I can see the future. What are you saying, Hans? Okay. What are you saying girl? I don't know. I would not be shocked if we cover another documentary about him. That's all I'm gonna to say Oh my Godd, girl, we did untold chessmate. Chestmate. 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