Reflecting on the Inquest and Legacy

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It's the trruere Obsessed podcast discussion group on the Facebook. It's highly moderated, it's super fun People love going in there, talking about the episodes. It's a great place to go and just like meet other true crime friends and you know, hang out with us a little bit, hang out. Yeah It's just a party all around. It's a party all around. Speaking of a party, what are we talking about today? Oh God, I know. It's called faking it. You know that series faking it? We've done this before. It's from the UK, but faking it, the grinder killer scandal It is on HBO Max This is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times killed four men For years, Stephven Port had been taking advantage of the anonymous world of gay hook upp sites like Grinder and Fitlads Ste even message me Hey, neighbor come over and meet my new guy and drugged seven more Raping for Police missed every single opportunity to catch him shhocking, in fact, almost unbelievable The case was handled so poorly by the med I just thought that Jack was gy and a druggie and that was it Stephven Port is incredibly immature and childlike And the Web of Dceit is like an rated version of Jakanori. It's beyond belief. That sk twisted scum bag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's family or life. Can just just to get. Just to get us started. Can I just say one thing Yeah What is going on with these experts I know I really Okaykay, the one the lady who's great, they're both great. We need all the people doing all the things to get theable. But like the body language expert, am I a body language expert? Like what what is what like when you got a killer in a rehab in an interrogation room Yeah who's shakaking his leg And the body language expert wants us to know that only he, the body language expert can tell us. And if he weren't here, we wouldn't know that the shaking of the leg implies that the killer who's being questioned about the four murders that he almost got away with is feeling stressed. It's a little fluff. It's also t like this faking it series like this story is super important to people. they all are. We did Grace Mille and You know, they have to be introduced like superheroes like the watcher, the this, the that. And like sometimes I'm into that, but sometimes it's a little bit like You're stretching to the forty five minutes. Yeahri butretching But this is a good episode. I really like this episode. So we open in Barking East London It's september twelfth, twenty fifteen. It's ten twenty two AM. The CCTV footage may look routine But it's deceptive Tall blonde man has just bought illegal drugs It's not cannabis or spepeed, it's GHV a well known day rape drug Which is a known date rape drug.. And now the voiceover is like, it's not cannabis, it's not speed, but GHB, excuse me. Look Running down the list of all the known gay drugs. Please do not put cannabis in the same category as speed. I GHB, like, oh my go. That is a very different thing. Can everybody light now up? I know it's twenty fifteen, but my God. And itis pride. goodedeeds isince the beginning of time. It's true.re now we're eating it of gummies. Exactly. Please. So it's september thirteenth, twenty fifteen two fifty AM. It's sixteen hours later after this piece of shit bought the GHB. This guy meets another man at the train station and one of the cameras shows the other guy's face. This guy's name is Jack Taylor. He's in his early twenties. He lived with his parents. He was a forklift driver. like o Jack Yeah, he was on Grinder. Heang a second Jack the gay forklift. Driver Taylor. With Jack What kind of name is that? Jack Kelly? Exactly Newzy. Oh my Godd. but like the gay way that's calledliment Driver from like, East London, Jack. I know. Jack. I know. He's gay. he's on Grinder. Yeah. And that is where he met a piece of shit named Stephven Port. Yeah. So Jack Taylor was He drugged with this GHB awfulness and then he was murdered. And right at the top, we learned Stehven Port did this with numerous men and murdered four of them. And gets away with it for a long time. So this whole episode is gonna be about all of like the very, very, very obvious connections between these dead gay men and how the police willfully ignored it. Too much gay shit. Yeah, T too much gay shit. We meet Carrie Danes, She's a profiler. I'm gonna allow it. Specialty for azig psychology He R, I love her. She makes some good points. She says some things I was not prepared to hear that woman say. Well, the first thing she says is the police missed every single opportunity to catch up, to which I say, off course. Of course, she says this is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times. And it's true. L it is so fucking obvious what's happening here. It's unbelievable. It's willful ignorance at this point So one month later, it's october seventeenth, twenty fifteen, Stehven Port is questioned. Port's personal computer. It revealed disturbing details. A Jack Taylor's last hours He's no being quiz on the searches that they found on his computer usingsing words like boy, druged, rape Why are you searching for boy drugged rape which is we' looking for? D pool So this is the type of disturbing material we're finding on his computer just to let you know. Also just like Googling with Wildes abandon. I like, can can you imagine putting those words in your computer? Even I won't do that. And my Google search is. How long does it take for a body to decompose? out of context? Yeah. I should be on every list. How long does it take to die having been set on fire? You should be on a no fly, which basically you are. Oh God You just alleviate. so can I, you're on a self imposed no phone. sorry.. the point is hours later, this piece of shit did exactly what he was Google searching to Jack Taylor. Yes. So like, come on. Girls, zipperrotterers back, lookook, I used to work for CNBC. and let me tell you, CNBC is saying, managers are now saying that a candidate's enthusiasm about the job is the most important factor when considering them for the role, which I couldn't agree more. That makes sense. Y. Right. So if you need to hire for your business, how are you gonna separate the candidates who are actually excited about the opportunities or the one who are just like, If I need a job in a job I'll take job. 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Then we meet the listener who's prorofessor Don Archer, spepecialty linguistics. Yeah. And they are analyzing the video of the killer being questioned. and they say that he's minimizing statements with just I was just looking for just General Porn.. Let me tell you beyond guilty of overusing the word just. I notice it so much. It's something I'm ive working on Hast been writing? Give me an example. I would literally say like I was just looking for I do it. So when they said it, I was like, oh Godd. Yeah. that is something I definitely catch myself doing.. Yeah. And like because what's trying know not a murderr howouse. No, what he's trying to say is like, yes, I understand that this boy was drugged and raped and killed was the Google search that was found on my computer five minutes ago. but I didn't kill this kid. I was just looking for porn. I have to say something. If this is the kind of porn that you are searching for, you need to have a really serious conversation. have our proble. And I'm not kink shaming anybody. Do all the stuff you want to do with consent with other people, but like that is that is concerning. And because the operative word here, did I use that phrase right? is boy Yeah. Man, what one could argue is like a fantasy, whatever. I don't want to get into the King shhamie either, but boy, I think very much stands out here and should raise a whole lot of red flags. Yeah. So the body language guy is like the minimizer of the word just on the Double sided hand trrugg that gesture contradicts the words you're saying We've also got the headshakes Six Micro headshake nose. from only five words just searching for random videos We've got seven indicators of deception. Definitely a lie Everything is to tell that every guy does. The way he's holding his hands, the way he shrugs, the way he shakes his head. No. The thing about this is we're going to learn eventually that like this is the guy being caught. We're going to go back through like the last fourteen months of all the things that he did that he didn't get caught for. This guy just got caught, he knows he got caught. I don't know why we need a body language expert to tell us that the serial murderer who just got busted and is like shaking his knees is like is experiencing strength. That string two words together. three words together to make a sense. But the expert goes In seven seconds, using only five words, we have seven indicators of deception. L That's one deception per second.ays doctor C any of We got the guy You know what I mean? But by this point we got the guy I understand hope I hope his stomach is in his butt. I hope he feels terrible. I hope he's anxious. You know what? I hope I hope he feels relieved. I hope that he feels like, thank God they got me and I don't have to do this anymore I'd rather and be miserable. I would rather and be miserable too, but it's just like like at least it's over. peopleeople are safe. And no one else is gonna die. So they say to him like, while You were Googling this stuff, you were doing all this while Jack Taylor was dead or dying and that he like he's changing the subject. He's avoiding the words. He's trying not to talk about the very obvious thing that they did they just got him. So then we rewind sixteen months because the cops let this guy commit three other murders before Jack Taylor. Yeah. And the craziest thing is that they first heard about the first murder when Stehven Port the killer himself called it in. And then am I even in my notes I'm like, wait, wait, they're telling us the killer's back story. Right We'll get back to the phone call. drop it in. and I was al ready to like take notes on the phone call. Nope, we're going not to learn about the killer.. I guess we'll get back to the call. We learn Stehven Port when he was young, he was described as Quiet, quite shy, a bit of a loner Certainly introverted. He'd gone to art college for a while before training as a chef. Now, he hadn't come out as gay until he was in his late twenties I am not defending this man's behavior by any stretch, but like being forced to stay in the closet and hide who you are and pretend to be somebody else will do a fucking number on. Sure. There is a real epidemic of men h gay men hating themselves, gay men, like not being able to be in good, solid relationships because of the way that the world forces them to be. And that was this guy's experience. L like look at how many of them aren't murderers Truly, truly. This guy worked as a sex worker like during his twenties while he was living with his parents. So I don't know how like hidden this all was. I love that Carri, this is just the beginning. He lived with his parents at the time. I imagine that put a dam around his sex life.. Though hearing her say some of these words in her British accent is so amusing to me. Yeah. He finally moved out when he was in his thirties. Yeah wards is his neighbor And the killer we are told was very childlike, especially about his birthday. So Ryan tells this story This is wild. He Ryan, the neighbor, was throwing a party the night of the killer's birthday. not a party for the killer, just a party. Yes. And Ryan is like, shit, that thirty five year old who lives next door to me, who's super weird about his birthday. like, I guess I should get him something gift the garage. He finds a toy fire truck for a child in the trash room of his building. He's literally taking out the empties and finds a toy truck. Let me say this all again. I want you to really understand it. Yeah. Ryan threw a party on this guy's birthday, but it wasn't for him. No I wasn't even invited to the party that wasn't for his birthday. At the very end of the night as a total thought Ryan doesn't want to deal with the fallout. not wishing this thirty five year old happppy birthday because he's a fucking weird over happy birthday. He took a discarded Child's toy. Probably broken garage Yeah gave it to a grown ass man very weird about his birth, Wh who also happens to be a serial killer. We don't know that yet. Right, but he is. But he is. And Ryan says When everyone arrived in the party, I presented Stephven with his toy truck. He sat down cross legged and would back the toy truck up and down the floor just like a child would He was oblivious to the party going on around him, just like a child presented with a new toy. Lays with it on the floor like he's six years old. Yes. he's like like like rooming it back and forth. And I gotta tell y you That's honestly the least of our problems. It is. Be we're about to learn some really shitty things about him, but can you imagine we see a picture of him holding the truck by the way. He loves this. I have to like appease this thirty five year old who's weird about his birthday. I know. I know. I couldn't agree more. So we learned that Port the killer was very active on gay dating sites and gay escort sites. Yeah. He had a particularly dark fetish for something called somnophilia Which is a preference for sex with someone who is sleeping or in Port's case unconscious.. ing it a fetish isn't accurate. I couldn't agree more The dictionary of psychology classifies it as predatory. becausecause the whole thing How could it not be? The whole thing is about power, dominance, control, and most importantly, a lack of consent. Yeah. So this is not a fetish, whoever said that. whatever expert that Cerrie, who I like and she also says the thing about the person being unconscious, especially pertains to this killer is that like the person is like, quote, not going to judge you. No, I think that's a cop out. I think it's more about the consent. like instead of being like, no, no, no, I'm not like raping them. They're just not judging me. likeike whoa.. Yeah ye. You want them to be unconscious or asleep. like no, no, no, that's not finish predatory. All of the ten years I've never understood this. Like like the idea, obviously it is barbaric and it is like monstrous to have sex with somebody But like, as the person doing the horrible thing, what is joyful about that I don't know.. I can't rel. I'm looking to you in the eyes for answers. C girl. Can't really. No, I don't even know. I think all of these people are so miserable. I don't really think there's joy necessarily. I think it's maybe he's like translating it in his head that like, oh, they're not judging me but like you're raping people Rping people. Like you fucking assholes. This is where the episode takes one of many left turns. Your favorite part. This is my favorite part, hands down. Ryan, the next door neighbor, he's here to be like, and we see all of these pictures of the killer, Ryan's neighbor Over the years, his hair changed a lot. Well, he's very, very vain and ofes with his appearance, he's somebody who is advertising himself on dating sites And so of course he's going to want to put his best face forward, but unfortunately going bald In fact, he's pretty much as bald as a coute. Bald as a coot. So from the idioms d. com. Yeah I was like Bald is water bird, which has a marking on its head that gives an appearance of being bald. Okay And has It does have feathers the website I wants you to know, it's not bald. It has feathers, but it is it's the way it looks from a distance that kind of gives the impression of baldness. And this phrase has been in existence since fourteen thirty. Oh, it was downright Shakespearean. Bald is a c. The thing about it is that we see all of the pictures of the different hairstyles and they look fucking good Like and I was telling you before we started, I went through a period where I was getting served all of these like male wig options. I was gonna say did you say he's wearing wigs? becausecause they're all wigs They're all that's what I'm saying. They're all wigs, but they look good. Like he's got cool floppy hair and it's all different colors and different styles And like there was a time I'm like, should I just shave my head and get my dream hair? I mean they're telling that she's so self conscious about the wigs Im like there's nothing to be self conscious about you, fucking weirdo. A, there's nothing to be self conscious about. get wigs. It's also just, I don't know I know a lot of very vain gay men. That's almost all the gay men that I know. I don't know a single one of us that's gone all the way wig. Let me ask you something. Yeah Wigs are again, not anything to be self got. Like how fun do you your? Nobody thinks of it about it for men. You think about like maybe a tupeay or you get hair plugs or something? What I was gonna ask you was about. Do you know anyone who's gotten hair plugs? Yeah, I do. Do they look good? Well, the thing is, the hair plugs have really evolved. and I'm probably gonna get them eventually because you go to Istanbul and you get the good hair surgery. There are literal flights full of men going and then coming back a couple of days later, recognizable. You go to Istsemble for the hair surgery And you look ridiculous for like two weeks or whatever. But you can see like the No you can't like you can right away because they've done surgery on you, but like I know two men that I can think of, both of them extremely handsome who have gotten the surgery. so many men get this surgery. I'm totally gonna to get it as soon as I need, whichich is probably a couple years ago. I would imagine. But ye and it's also very bloody and you have to wrap your head in like arms and stuff Oh is pain, girl. Oh, tell me about it. know I know. I switch from waxing to laser hair and I do it with a nitrous. Oh God, Ohh yeah, I told you about this. So I've never been happyir. Yeah, yeah. stuff man. But the thing is, like I've seen these wigs, like you literally like you pull them out of the thing, you put it on your. Okayy, you know, And like it looks like your real hair. Maybe one day nose, you gott to really take care of those girls. I'm gonna come in with hair like yours one day. Okay, great. It's gonna look naturality Where are the wigs? haare them Yeah, they be awesome, but this guy suck. This guy really sucks. So his mugs shot though, was taken without a wig and I'm like, oh he must have hated that. You know I hated. G Ritual is back and look, we all know that there are times in your lives you can't focus on your nutrition and making sure you're getting all the things that you need. but now you can get peace of mind knowing you can still hit key nutrient goals with a daily multivitamin from Ritual. Yeah, so Ritual has a team of scientists. And they have poured over thousands of studies and they've identified the common gaps between nutrient needs and what people are So simple. Yeah. Ritual's Esential for Women eighteen pllus Multty contains nine key nutrients and two delayed release capsules designed for optimal absorption per day. So it's designed to be gentle on the stomach so you can take it whenever works for you whver that food. 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What She says Port is attracted to twinks, Young men who look boyish. so they tend to be slender, maybe a little bit shorter of stature. they tend to have hairless bodies. So for somebody who is Basically se better days is now really concerned about the lack of hair So if you are somebody who's basically seen better days, like Hast your prime. N. It's in the tooth. He's really concerned about the lack of hair. I'm like, they are just letting this motherfucker have it. Good. Oh my go. G. If he watched this documentary in prison and saw the picture of himself without the without the wig. Yeah. and now being described as having seen better days. I we've all seen it. Oh my god It's divine. I hope he's miswelm. Yes. This's actually sort of sorry to be a weet blank. kind of made me think about misogyny the patriarchy. Like if a straight guy was very vocal and honest about how he exclusively wanted to date like young, girlish hairless. Oh, totally. Like you'd say he's a pedophile. Yeahah. I'm so sorry to say that. when it comes to women can sort of hide behind the fact that like there are impossible beauty standards that they have to deal with anyway. Yeah. But if there was a man who was like, I prefer them to look as young as posible haless. You'd be like, that's fucking creepy. Well, I will only in defense of my community, I will only say this. not I know I know you're not coming for us but it's pride bun, please. We know. Yona has her pride leeash all year round. Okay That's all I ask. Okay, That's literally I ask. We are big on our like categories. like we've got the twinks. We've got. I used to be a bear now I'm an otter. Okay, ye heard underood. Yeah.' just sh monks. There's the whole there's the whole deal. I gota Try to burn down the patriarchy a little bit every day. Because you're absolutely right. If men were like I'm exclusively into like small statured hairless, hairless glish looking women which they do. Yeah. And like the beauty industry is all like based in pedophilia basically. think about what they want, like youth based you know, hairless I know. Whatever. Like, I guess I'm part of the problem with my laser hair removal because I just fucking can't deal with it. 'cause you're addicted to the nitrouress That's the only reason you're going back. Can I tell you what happened though. So I was like, I hated it. It was like And they're like, oh, it's just like little it's like a rubber band. Yeahah. And I'm like, I still don't want that on me at M. No Are you kidding me? Right. So it was like painful and I would go and like suck it up and then I and the numbing cream does not work You or they make you sit For an hour in a freezing cold office. It's not like in your lady area, which I would imagine is like very like tender. It's the whole thing is tender, but we've we've gone Wrap your whole le They put this numbing cream on you, and then wrap your legs in like Saran wrap so it stays put. But the office has to be really cold for the lasers. So you're just sitting there for an hour The numbing starts working I leave the office. I don't It doesn't work at all. And they can only put a certain amount because the Novacane like if its like kill you. And I'm like, well why? Like I've asked the nurses like, sign the thing. Let me die. But like then you su were wasting your time freezing cold, like goosebumps everywhere. And so one day I finally I've only done it like two or three times because the guys I think it like three times. I have my fourth coming up or whatever, but like I called the office, I was like, hey, here to make my next appointment. Here's a question. numbing cream does shit. Not working. I hate it. L I want to go like the doctor' amazing. boring, not a Medpa, like a real dude, right? And they were like, well, we can do nitrous. I was like, you come up. And that was like never told me. I was like, I'll do that. I'll do,,,. And then I when they called to confirm, I was like, and there's the note about the nitrous. So then Id go in and he was like, hey, so I do real dark and. Sly I'm the dude.. so cool. And so but then I took it. I was like doing it 'cause they just let you like Yeah, they'll let you suck it until you die At one point he was like, D for a second?ike We're losing. We're loser. He' like, I'll stop like to like rubberbanding your leg. Yeah. just like You don't have to second like every two seconds But don't I. And then but after I took that, I was like, ooh, this feels good. I was like, does myoice in my head, my voice sounded weird. He was like, it's not helium. But in my mind sounded. But then by the time you get home, I still had like a full work day after. Oh yeah, goes wears right off. I picked up a nice little lunch from the Modega I do this every weekkendight. I wasm telling you, I went to the dentist that one time where they gave me so much nitrous that I remember thinking I have to stay alive for days. I'm like was I couldn't even see. I was in the atmosphere. And they can't do it on planes becausecause it's like the compressed air It's likeat or whatever. Yeah, we can't have that. They should be able. No, you're in a self imposed no fly. But if I could like suck on the nitrous. We're back on tour, baby. No pain I was like, this is awesome.. I am the dude. I just felt like so fucking like fucking. I know. Anyway, I don't know where we were going. of the patriarchy. I am part of the problem because I get laser hair removal because my skin's really sensitive and I'm sick of getting fucking irritation on my legs.uming Well, we're with Connor from the Gay Times and he's saying that he was portraying himself in a way that he did not physically appear if you were to meet him in real life. So for example, as someone in real life that is very socially awkward and shy, on apps, he was very outgoing and he was very chatty and charismatic to the people that he was going to meet. Now when you then meet them in real life, it was a completely different story is Yeah, Well, he's like socially awkward so on thes, he's out goingo and chatty, But he's a total jerpp in person. Carrie says he's lying about everything He's Oh my God, I know. She says on the apps, he says he went to Oxford, but like he never mentioned where he works. When we're lying, can we pull it back for seconds? You have to go right to Oxford Can't you split the difference? My favorite is what his name on the abs is Shy hunk If that would work on me that would totally work on him. That's all I want. Just give me my shy hunk. Yeah. God So Anthony Walgate is victim number one. He's from a place called Hull. He was really interested in fashion. He went to London to study. He wanted to make it as a designer. And he's like outgoing and socialable. He's everything the killer is not. And wants to be. Exactly. So Anthony also worked as an escort to pay for school, but the difference was it wasn't a secret. All of his friends knew about it. He was really big on safety They all knew where he was, who he was with, like it was a job for him. Yeah. And so this is how Anthony, our victim meets the killer. Because the killer who's also an escort, pays this guy eight hundred dollars to spend the night at his house. Right. That's a lot of money. Yeah. And so Anthony was assaulted and murdered. And so the next day Stephven Paort ultimately faked a nine hundred ninety nine call to report Anthony Wallgate's body. So he pretended to be a passerb by who had just at four in the morning happened to across this young man who was propped up against a wall and seemed unconscious, Porter planted a bottle of GHB on Anony Wallgate The killer stages Anthony's body outside. But first he goes to work all day. He killed Anthony overnight, goes to work the next day leaving the body in his home as though nothing has happened. Yeah. and then then he comes home and stages the body outside at four in the morning. And he like props Anthony up against the wall and then plants GHB on Anthony's body. So then he makes this fake call to the cops and he's like, oh, I just like I'm reporting this stranger that I don't know, like pretending to be a passerby. Yeah. and like the nine hundred eleven n hundred ninety nine in London, the dispatcher is awesome. Yeah. He's asking all the right questions, like where are you? And you can hear Stephven Port like does not want to answer any questions. Well, the operator eventually asks for his phone number and he gets scared and hangs up But then the operator call I asking for his phone number. My favorite part that too is the dispatch iss like I believe we were disconnected. Oh he's like, Oh my god, soor sorry, you disconnect real quick once again, phone number and address, please. And I also don't understand why did Stehven Port do this? Like whyy didn't you just put the body out and then just le why are you putting yourself in the story? You, I think a lot of them that's the whole point to put in the story and they want the cat and mouse game or whatever the killer folds so easily.ike you don't have to be a Colombo or a body language expert to hear. like he can't, he's mumbling, he's tripping over his words. like the more questions he gets asked, the guy's a mess. he's incoherent. Well, and the whole thing is the cops barely investigate at all and the friends are coming out of the woodwork to tell the cops, no, like you're saying you died of a drug overdose. Our friend does not do drugs Y Well, its I love Professor Dawn, the listener. She goes, I would have thought, okay, this is odd. Let's do a little more digging, the cuts to of the voice overver, but the police didn't dig deep. And I'm like shaky and also shitty. Because then like because the cops just believe it. L this is how much like the cops hate gay people. Yeah. They find a dead gay man with a bottle of GHB on him. They just assume that he died of a drug overdose. They don't investigate because they don't want to talk about the gay stuff and they move on like nothing happed. And it's also one of those things where it's like, well, like choices were made like a dangerous lifestyle. So not only is he gay, but like a sex worker, like they definitely don't care. They also point out that like his underwear was apparently backwards and upside down. The cop don't question this at all That so many red flags immediately like okay, this guy who called it in is very agitated and weird and can't answer a question and he's incoherent. And then like all of these questions that they should have asked, they just didn't. They were like happy to not an They found drugs on this guy. They didn't even do a toxicology on him. They just found drugs on his person and decided that it was a drug overdose. They they track down the guy who made the phone call, the killer. Yeah. They got his number from the phone call. Yeah. And when they speak to him, the officers decided to believe Stephven Port when he changed his story about Anthony's death So he says that he found Anthony in his bed, he was dead. and so he panicked and just put him outside like you would do with a used milk bottle. Now he has a totally and completely different story. Which is also fine with them. Reasonable to the cops. So like everyone changes their storory. let's know.'s problem. Hes literally, well, he was like a trick I took home and he died in my bed and I freaked out and I didn't what to do so I just put him outside. Because remember first he was a random passer by who didn't know anything about anything. Yeah. and now His story has changed and he actually did know Anthony and Anthony was in his bed. And one of our experts says to us like this is another red flag. You should know that if the person who calls in the dead body then changes their story. That's like clue number one that they fucking did it. Hello. Right. So they charge him with obstruction of justice and he's out on bail. then he's like They were told this is a massive massive failure by the police. And they say they were so close this is like the Jeffrey Dahmer of it all. They were so close right there. If they had just gone and like looked through his stuff, if they looked at it on his computer, they would have seen all his fake profiles. The laptop is right there, the Google searches. and then all the like this was victim number one. The other three men would not have had to have died. the cops had just bare minimum of like this known red flag of what killers do. Yeah. L they could have gotten the guy right there. 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Yes. And this guy was just so sloppy. You know what I mean? Like this wasn't even like he was like a mastermind killer. Like he was so sloppy. The cops just didn't care. Like breaking news, they rarely are the mastermind. Like very rarely. Yeah. So august twenty fourteen, eight weeks After Anthony Walgate's murder, the killer's out on bail. and now we learn about Gabriel Cavari, victim number two, young man in his twenties. Are we noticing a trend? Yes, he's like he moved to London from Slovakia. He'd been living with another friend in London, but he left that place to move in with Stehven Por. The killer. The killer. And now we're back with Ryan. the neighbor with the garbage gift Yeah Ryan says Stephven, the killer texted me said, C over and meet my new guy. And so he gets there and he meets Gabriel. He's like Gabriel's smart.'sud,'s very funny. He wants to be an artist. I really like this guy. The second Stehven Port leaves the room, Gabriel, who's been living with this man for exactly one day. Gel. kind of in harsh tones. then over to me and said Stephen Paul Ryan is not the person you think he is He's not a nice person. He's like a total monster. Think of how dire the situation has to be. Yeah if you're telling this to someone you met thirty seconds ago. And you've not even lived with this man for twenty four hours. Gabriel is desperate for help I mean, that is terrifying. I was trying to think about the situation that Gabriel must have been in to have moved in with this guy in the first place. Well, I think that's it. he feels trapped and he's like the only I mean, he doesn't know if he can trust Ryan, but Ryan is better than this Because like within like the twelve hours that they've been living together, what is he already done to this kid that's making him say this to Ryan, the strranger Nager? Exactly. So then I guess the killer comes out of the bathroom and they can't talk about it anymore. So Ryan, the neighbor tracks Gabriel down on Grinder. Now, this is just gay texting. Like I love this so much that he's like, I didn't get his number. Let me just like gets on Grinder, there's Gabriel and he starts DMing him on Grinder. And he's like, look, if you don't want to live with him, you're more than welcome to crash here, quote for a couple of nights. Don't make yourself too comfortable, Gabe. I'm kidding. Ryan, the neighbor offered and then followed up. But I just loveved that he was like, Yeahah for a couple of nights. L there's an end date here. Yeah. But like the next day, he messages Ryan again. he's like, girl, youre coming over or whatet? No response Yeah. So now Ryan like goes to the killer and he's like I messaged Stehven just to say Is gabri okay And Stephen replied to me to say, Oh, Gabriel's up and left.. I think he's going to stay with some army guy And I thought that was a bit strange and tragically that was the last I've heard of G And that's the last I heard just packed up in the middle of the night as mysteriously as he arrived, he left. L bullshit. So by august twenty eighth of twenty fourteen, Gabriel has been missing for five days. Y body is found In a churchyard four hundred yards away from where Anthony Walkate was found. Like what a coincidence. It's in the neighborhood. L he's he looks like he looks like the other guy that died four hundred yards away. Yeah. It's in the exact same neighborhood. The cops come, they think it's just another dead gay drug addict. So Anthony, the first victim had GHB on his person. Gabriel had a lot of GHB in his system. Yeah. The cops, of course donon't see how this is Silar and we know exactly why, one gay shit and two like useless drug addicts or whatever It like if two people die within four hundred meters yards of each other in a small neighborhood. both involving GHB. Right. And even if there was no obvious connection, which in this case, there were so many, you would still have to be like What the fuck is going on here? I think they knew they were just actively not doing anything about it. Yeah. You can't really I mean, it's ridiculous that you wouldn't be like young g would it be? I know. They're just like like There are no connections there, but I think in their heart of hearts as they say, they know. Yeah. They just don't w want to deal with the gay shit because if there's more than one, then they have to talk about gay sex and all this stuff and they don't want to do it. So crazy. And so when the police do nothing, Gabriel's friends take to social media. God love, the get yourself a group of friends. I know. And they on social media, they find a guy named John Luck and they realize however they do that John Luck had interacted with Gabriel online a couple of days earlier. So remember, Gabriel's been missing for five days.. This guy, John Luck had been interacting with him on the internet And of course, unbeknownst to them, this is Stehven Port the killer. Right. O of luck is Stehven Port. One of his catfish profiles. Exactly. So the friends are asking this guy about Gabriel and like this guy, this Rando who they're just like 's like messaging online Like they don't know each other. So it's telling him all this crazy shit. like he's aware that Gabriel was involved with older men who would give him drugs and he's been to orgies with various other young men. and he may have been drugged and been rendered unconscious and then raped And he says, Well, he was probably drugged and then raped when he was unconscious. And the friends are like, I'm sorry, who are you again? Jesus Christ. How do you know all this? What are you saying to us right now? Why would you even say that to us? Right. And so Port as John Luck, when the friends are like, Well, our friend is actually dead, he feigns surprise and then he says to the friends, do you think the police will want to talk to me as my DNA will be on him? This guy's confessing He cannot wait to tell everyone about it and get caught. He wants to be caught, desperate to be caught. It's almost like he was put in the world to show how awful the cops in this area are. For sure. You know. So now it's thirteen months later, It's october twenty fifteen, and the killer is finally questioned about Gabriel, Dude is stressed. Yes. Folded arms, fist clenched. We're back back and forth. Body language guy is like, I'm the only one who can tell you what this means Yeah He's acting very tense. He's rocking back. hisis arms are crossed. These are signs of like I'm like, sir. what are we doing? What are we doing? I know. And also the word just, I get it. Some of us say And some of us are working. Yeah. I'm sorry not to sound like a toal grandma but don't do the crime if you can't do the timeim. D't don't make it so obvious that these are connected and then sit there like an anxious wreck. Like that's what they mean when they say that. If you can't don't do the crime if you can't do. No. And then Carry's here to be like, well, he says no a bunch of times, but the last two notses are kind of quiet. I'm like, what are we doing? shut up you guys. Thank you for your service, but what are we doing here? Eough? Let's just tell the story of these fucking gay men that were killed. Right. And how shitty the cops are like getting the killer So now we're back to september fourteenth, Sorry, everyone, the timeline, they keep jumping around. Yeah. But's they say on screen three weeks after Gabriel's death, it's murder. I'm gonna say murder. They say death. but it' one hundred percent murder. So then we learn about Daniel Whitworth, who's victim number three. veryery similar. He met the killer online. They were talking for about a month before they meet up in real life Daniel was ultimately also killed and placed in the exact same place as Gabriel's body in the same churchyard. He was found by the same dog walker who had found Gabriel Cavari just three weeks earlier The exact same spot. They say the same spot in the churchyard. And L they leaned it up against the same gravestone And the same dog walker. Oh my Godd. foundound them. Oh my, canan you imagine being this dog? You're just out You have to move. I'm cursed. I have to move. You have to move. Everywhere am I like death suddenly A I the grrim reaper like coming with the thing? It's also just like another young, good looking white gay guy found with drugs on him in the exact same spot B found by the exact same person. I see no connection here. But this time, there's a note. Yes. Part suicide note, part confession, all bullshit. Yeah. So we gotta break this down because it's absurd. Yeah. The note basically says This this is like from the victim allegedly writing this.es. the killer wrote it. Yeah, yeah. the note basically says, I'm sorry, I can't go on. I took the life of my friend Gabriel, now connecting two murders. Yes. and taking responsibility for Gabriel's murder. We were at a friend's house, we were party, we got carried away. I gave him another shot of GHB. I didn't notice while we was having sex that he had stopped breathing First of all, how do you notice a second that's this guy's quote fetish. Yes. I tried everything to get him to breathe. It was too late. It was an accident. I'm blaming myself for what happened? I can't face my family. I can't go to prison, but at least now I can be with Gabriel again. I hope he forgives me. And then he writes literally BTW. Yeah. BTWs. Did he really write BTW? He literally wrote BTW like the letters BTW BTW Please do not blame the guy I was with last night. We only had sex then I left He knows nothing of what I have done But don't look at him He's not relevant. Why would you bother in a suicide note to point out something that is irrelevant He knows nothing of what I've done, and I dropp my phone on the way here should be in the grass somewhere. I know, my favorite thing is like the cops are like, this sounds like exactly what happens. Sorry to everyone. love always. Yeah, Daniel. You know what? We figured out who killed the other is this is it. like home early tonight guys. Never have I seen a more authentic piece of paper. I it's Shakespearean are definite not connected, even though there are about seventeen similarities. What is it five hundred one? I'm out of here fellas. They like they literally believe every word in the suicide note. They believe it all. L anything involving GHB is like kryptonite to them. 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He' ring his hands and he's a nervous wreck. I know, I know, But no they should be. What has happened in the interim is that the case has finally been turned over to like the bigger police authority or whatever. They're like, this is too big for us. Three bodies in the exact same location all found by the same dog walker. they all look we cannot figure this out And they're gay. And they're g you guys know they're gay, right? So they turn it over. he's being questioned about the suicide note. Did you write it? He's saying noaking like a leaf. I love the cop being like, you telling the truth, Steven He's like He' like Yeah. Yeahah. Wh? Who's asking? And they're like, totally believe you. Oh my God. Because this works for him every single time. Are we keeping you, Stehven? Oh, and then this was a bombshell We learn the three murders that happened within thirteen months of each other, neeighbor Ryan who lived next door to the killer. The fact that there was One young gay man found dead in Barking toown Centre. was you know, extraordinary enough. And then when they were two when they were three Game amazingly unaware that these events were occurring just meters from where I lived He knew nothing about it So not only did the police not investigate, there's no press coverage of any of this. And Ryan is here to be like, I was fucking shocked to learn wake up one day, like because now it's on the news, to learn that three bodies had been found in Ryan's back yard, like in the churchyard across the street over the course of thirteen months and nobody in the community knew anything about it. That wass crazy So march twenty third, twenty fifteen, the killerers in prison for lying about Anthony Wallgate's body The one that was like, he died in my bed and I moved him outside. Right Because you remember he called nine hundred eleven, then said he was a passerby, refused to give his phone number. They found him anyway, and then he totally changed his story. Yes. And then the cops were so weirded out by two dudes in bed together that they were like, all right We get it. We believe you. Gad. So the killer's away for two months. He gets out and almost immediately meets Jack Taylor and now we're back to the beginning of. where we started. So victim number four, Jack Taylor, they met september thirteenth, twenty fifteen Jack was killed, drugged with GHB, left in the churchyard, same as the other three victims. We're now four victims in the same churchyard. He is begging for the cops to connect it. Yeah. becausecause even like the killer at this point is like, are you seriously not gonna come find me?? What do I have to do? It's almost as though the cops want somebody out there killing gay people. Almost as if. you know, It't be the first time. So the cops, again, don't connect the murders Jack is found with a syringe and a needle in his pocket But this is an immediate red flag to his family because they know that he was not just not a drug user. he was Anti drug use He was not a drug user. She was like, he was drugged by force. The needles and drugs were planted on him. They were yes, because they found the needles in his pocket. She's like, there's no fucking way. L No no. So she tells us to the cops, quote, they discarded it. She goes, they just had none of it. No. And so there's that CCTV footage, which is what we opened with, where we see the killer and Jack walking from the train station and Donna is like We've gott to release the CCTV footage and see if anybody knows that man is obviously the killer. The cops don't want to do it. They don't. And they only do it because she basically forces them to. And it's only when they release that footage that another cop sees Stephven Port on the video and he's like, that's the guy that we questioned in that other murder. Wait a second. Oh my God, whoa, whoa Yes, and had it not been for Donna, like the connection never would have been This is the only way they're able to start connecting the murder. Yeah. And we've been with Matt, this he's like an independent auditor guy who's like here to be like, hereere's like a bir'sye view of what the cops did and what they should have done. But he's not giving the cops any fucking flowers for this because he's like the cops should have connected the one million very obvious dots. Like if Jack's family didn't push for this, we wouldn't be here. so no flowers for.ike how many more people would be dead? Like you don't get your credit For finally doing your job sixteen months late. shut up. No. so october fourth, twenty sixteen, the trial begins and we learned that Port had a lot of surviving victims. So like men that he drugged and raped but didn't kill. And a lot of them came forward to testify and they were saying that like and it was very brave and it really was what helped Port get convicted because ultimately, we didn't have the testimony of the four murder victims Their testimony was so helpful because they obviously don't have the testimony of the dead gay men. So these guys were there to speak basically on their behalf. It was really, really important and awesome that they all did that Terrif. Yes. So the killer gets life in prison. He will never be released, we're told. Yeah. He's charged with the murders of the four men plus twenty two other offenses against seven other victims. And that's just the ones that we know about. Right. We hear all the time. L whenever we cover a case that has anything to do with Grinder, like how many people don't come forward? one hundred percent. So Jack's awesome sister, Donna ges a statement to the press. She's standing outside the courthouse and this goddamn queen says that sick twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's family or life. twisted scumpag. put in the loop. I h it in the loo. Hang it in the loooove. I love it because like for so many years and so many decades, like these these these murders like this would go unsolved because nobody was looking for these people. Like they left their families and they were transient in their neighborhoods and nobody even noticed when they went missing. but like it's so nice and affirming to see like we live in a world Friends are coming out of the woodwork and doing the work and then the family is pushing to get things done. And how many times have we seen that where it's like the family and the friends saying like, no, no, no, we care. You don't care. We care. Yeah. Like they they thought we didn't care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call. like the Fox Hollow murders thinking about. like so many we see this time and time and time again where the families are like Be Yeah, the Gacy murders, you know, L see all the time. And so it ends with like a list of the victims. It was Anthony Walgate, age twenty three, Gabriel Kovari, age twenty two, Daniel Whitworth, age twenty one, Jack Taylor, age twenty five. And also in December of twenty twenty one, there's an inquest because at least three of the four murders could have been prevented but the cops were willfully ignorant and bigoted They don't make it very clear, but like the records show that the cops were in the wrong here. Yeah, and it says as of may twenty twenty four, eight metropolitan police officers were being investigated for gross misconduct and possible breaches of professional standards in the Stephven Port inquiry. None of the officers under investigation are featured in this program.hoc. I mean, come on Oh my god, girl, we did the Grinder killer. We got to hear that lady say' twink and then describe what it is. And cot. And a cot Bald is a cot I believe shes. If it ten years, that'll be a category. I'm cot. Im famam, don't forget to check that out on our Facebook page. Don't forget to follow us on all the socials, go watch our YouTube. We're at over five hundred thousand subscribers. Y. That's it. we love you. Well you want to know we're doing next? Oh, what are we doing? Big, huge news. We're doing the crash on Netflix, baby. Oh my stuff. And I'm gonna tell you right now He everyone, I know you're freaking out Today, our episode of the Crash drops on Patreon, I'm gonna do an after partarty telling you and Patrick all of the things that Qote Netflix left out, everything that's come out since it came out, the court records, the meanan girl murders episode, the killer cases ep we're going through it. It's all gonna to be there. 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