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Silowos d. com for more details Visit your nearby Lowes on Tonenell Avenue in North Bergen In WA five hundred and seventeen do you want to report a UFO negative we don't want to report. Aarry's thirty one, do you wish to report a UFO overver? Nither, we w to report one of those either thirty one do you wish to file a report of any kind of it? I was know what kind of report wark He thirty one mean neither There never said one popp a golf good. H there was anybody that st above us to pass us like thirty seconds stke seven pop of off negative. Okay P this UFO. Yeah. It's m two hundred ninety five. Yes. something just passed over. like a I don't know what it was, but it's at least two, three thousand feet above us. Yeah I passed right over the top of us UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their experiences of the strange and unexplained If you've had an encounter and would like to be on the show You can email me at UFO Chronicles at Gmail. . com Everyone, Anne show this week. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. This episode we hear from James from the West Midlands in the UK, and James will be recounting his UFO sightings, paranormal experiences and a visit from the infamous men in Black. He is also an investigator for the Birmingham UFO Group. James is up next. But first, if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little as one dollar a month. Head on over to wWw dot patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the description of this episode below Any help is very much appreciated Now on with the show James, welcome to the show Thanks for having me. It's great to have you on today and you're calling from West Midlands in the UK. That's correct. Now, James, you have some UFO and paranormal experiences you're going to be sharing with us. Would you like to start the beginning, please, sir Yes, certainly well, thank you very much. So let's let us indeed begin The very first experience I had was a ose encounter of sorts and this was the fourteenth of November in nineteen ninety two. I was Walking the Dog in the middle of Birmingham. so if you're outside of the UK, Birmingham is the UK's second largest city. It was a completely clear night so you could see the stars in the sky. And as I was walking the doog, I looked up and I saw what appeared to be a blue comet that was arching across the sky Now what was unusual was that it actually appeared to go behind something. and as it went behind something, there was just a brief outline of an object that looked us, I suppose in same shape as a as a rugby ball or an American football. and I looked to that and I thought, well that was very strange because it was very clear in the sky. You couldn't actually physically see the object, but it was a case if you knew there was something there. Be he went behind seats I then chose to Walk the dog back home. I'm a keen astronomer. so when I got home it's a three story house we live in. I was on the second floor, I opened up the windows look at the night sky Now when I look to the night sky, I can see in the distance there appear to be some flashing lights And as I watched them over about the next ten minutes, the flashing lights became one light and it's began to get oser and closer. I was the only person in the house at the time And it was a case of kept it going closer until The object to me was hovering above a tree in the garden. I was looking up at it, I made a note of the time as well. There was a slight static charge in the In the air, As I was looking at this object, it was silver with a slight orange hue underneath, which will have been the lighting of the street lights I basically spoke out and said You can't see what you are Could you show me something And the object then responded and rotated very slowly three hundred and sixty degrees back to its original startarting place which I was you know, particularly astonished by before the object slowed and it wasn' making any noise, wasn't any humming or anything. it was just completely silent and very, very still But our dog was very agitated and was trying to up the get up the stairs. So as the object went over the house, I was almost sort of shell shocked. and my sister so happened to bec coming home at that time. and she came running in saying, oh my goodness, have you seen this object that's just gone over the house So it's very nice that basically there's someone else there that actually saw it as well. So this is in a built up area, you would expect everybody to have seen it. So the next day I got three or four local sort of newspapers and looking for reports. and of course, there was nothing there. Now at the time, I reported the sighting to the Birmingham Observatory And they told me basically that what I had seen was serious. And obvious as a keen astronomer, I was a little bit creastfallen by that, but I didn't really know how to respond And so I kind of left it there. Now that in itself is an interesting experience, but it's not necessarily anything that is above anybody else's experience What happened twelve years later is what really sparked my interest. So I'm now in my early thirties. I'm living in a different part of Birmingham, and it's during the day. I have my girlfriend in the house who's now my wife And I get a knock on the door. And when I opened the door There is a man and a woman in black, just dressed with a black trench coat in wearing sort of black clothing The gentleman was around F foot eight, five foot nine. He was in his late fifties. He had a very sort of disheveveled appearance to him And then the lady was Immaculate, she was around six foot, she had blonde hair quite severely sort of tied back. She was quite gaunt looking, but she had what you suppose you wouldd call almost sort of Scandinavian sort of features that blonde hair and the blue eyes were absolutely iridescent Now So there's these two strangers at the door and they say, Mr Brody, we'd like to talk to you about your UFO experience. And as ridiculous as this sounds, I said Yes, certainly, coming in So invited two complete strangers into the house And we sat down. Now the lady had a black hold all bag with them and she presented a folder. Now in the folder she said, R right, Mr. Brody, the first thing that you saw, so referring to the comments Did it look like this And the first image that she showed me wasn't just a picture of what I had seen It was as if you had actually taken the picture through my own eyes. So it was it was literally a psychic snapshot of what I had seen And then she showed me a second picture and then a third picture, the final picture being the picture of the actual object itself as it rotated. And it was very much a case of it was again the same as if the picture had been taken through my own eyes so almost like a super HD picture of the object. And know I asked them, well well, who are you? And they just sort nonchalantly said, I'll get to that in a minute. So they asked me whether I'd had any other experiences. They also were very interested in whether I had any paranormal experience And I talked a little bit about when I was younger, I'd had a little bit of it wasn't until I've left a university that pretty much every house I've been in is has some sort of paranormal elements to it. They also asked whether I'd had any interference with electrical objects and a couple of other sort of Persal questions Now when you tell this story to somebody, you often say, what, you just let two strangers in the house. My wife was upstairs as well, but she didn't come downstairs. When they left, they literally just walked out and just walked down the road before disappearing out of sight. And then about five, ten minutes later It was almost as if I hadd had a fog across my brain because suddenly there was one hundred and one different questions I was asking and I was saying Why on earth did I let these complete strangers into the house? Why is it they were asking me this question? Who were they? And after that, basically there was no sort of follow up conversation. I haven't had anything since, but I just thought it was a very, very peculiar incident. I mean, typically when you talk about men in bllack experience, certainly from you know, from my sort of research, I mean I've been researching UFO and paranormal phenomena for about twenty five years now. and you know, so you come across usually it's a short period of time there's an attempt to debunk and all those sort of classic tropes. but this was just purely just a sort of trying to find out more about the experience, had I had anything else and then and then they left. And so That's what got me thinking about there actually being a link between the UFO experience and the paranormal experience So from a paranormal experience, there's a Proably two incidents that are worth mentioning. So the first incident is that The house where we are, there was another house about which we were renting about fifteen years from where we were. And with that particular house, it was a case of when we were there, we felt that there had been there was a certain amount of activity in the house. So for example thingsings would move occasionally. you'd come in and the TV would be just on static, very much like that sort of poltergeist al sort of experience. But there were sort of two incidents from then. A few years ago there was a earthquake in Birmingham. It was actually the ep center was two miles from where we were living at the time. Now it's only a sort of five point two, five point three on the Rich scale. but for the UK, that's very big. And myself and my wife, we were sat in our bed And in the middle of the room suddenly an orb appeared. I want to say an orb, it's as if somebody had blown a bubble using that classic sort of piece of plastic and some fairy liquids. and this bubble just appeared in the middle of the room and kind of floated around and I said to my wifey, can you actually see this? And she said, yes, yes, I can and it then sort of floated out of the out of the window And then two hours later, we had an earthquake and then an aftershock. Now I understand that obviously you have this sort of phenomenon of earth lightights and typically animals will pick up on a release of sort of energy prior to an earthquake. So that was quite interesting In that house, we also had a puppy that was with us for only a couple of months because unfortunately it had a congenital heart defect and had to been put down, which was very distressing for us. but for about for about three weeks afterwards we actually heard him and indeed you know saw him around the house So when you say you saw something, what did you actually see? Well, the sort of clearest indicate and I was looking down the corridor and I saw what could only be described as an outline of our dog. And what he did was he came in, came into the room sat on the bed and basically where the bed was, it's sort of depressed so it was a case if you could actually see that basically there was something sat on the bed. And so there was all these different activities that were going on. and so I started to take pictures of the of various things that was going on. and I had a the original incarnation of my current websites and my pure fluke one time fourteen times actually picks up on the website. And so I went from getting maybe one or two views a day to know thousands of views in a day. And this kind of led to the Dcovery channel getting in touch with us and as And this was prior to a time when these sort of programmes were prevalent And I was asked basically whether we'd like to do something And at that time, we felt that the stigma was too big we didn't want to pursue because they were offering a considerable amounts of money at the time as well. and we kind of moved out of that house soon soon after. Now the most interesting case from paranormal experiences is in our previous house. So my wife was heavily pregnant with our first child. our daughter was due to be born the end of January. It was about a week before Christmas and myself and my wife were sat in our front room. My wife sat down next to me and then suddenly around myself It's a case of it went very, very cold T to the extent that you could see my breath. Now I was in a paranormal research group at the time. I had things like an EMF meter, I had four or five different meters around vibration, humidity, things like things like that We were looking for a draft in the house, so I was obviously checking all the windows, checking the doors Now the interesting thing about this was was that it was actually purely focused on myself. So wherever I was, It was absolutely freezing but on my wife absolutely normal temperatures. So even when I sat down next to her It was freezing If you're only around myself, my wife was completely untouched. And what then happened was as we sat down on the sofa thinking this is very strange a small brilliant white light appeared in the corner of the room and it started to get bigger B guy U until until it was about the size of u you know, a fifty pencepiece so, you know, so like a you know a couple inches in size basically. And what happened then was it kind of it disappeared. It kind of just fizz out of existence. Now when it fiz out of existence to us every single device with any form of charge had been zapped. so that meant cameras, that meant laptops, that meant, you know, you know, mobile phones, everything lost its charge. in the room And that was obviously, you know, quite quite a sort of a specific experience there And so everything lost its charge. So I was speaking to a couple of colleagues in the paranormal group and the first thing they said to me, James is is is your wife okay? And I said, Well yes, why? And they said, Well, in their experience, anything that makes that much effort to try and get into the atmosphere, typically there's a a warning associated with it But you know we kind of brushed it off at the time. And then New Year's Eve, my wife starts complaining of severe stomach cramps and basically I take my wife to hospital. She's very distressed. and Basically we had to have an emergency sereings. It turned out that my wife and daughter, there was a detached cacensor, which was t much faful to both of them. And it was very much a case of they our daughter was born through emergency Cesarean and both my wife and daughter were then in hospital for about a month and a half afterwards. I mean, they don't remember that time, but you know they were both incredibly poorly. Now what you could do on one sentence is say, well, well that was just coincidence, which absolutely it could be Or you could also suggest that maybe there was indeed some sort of link there and there was potentially some sort of warning. So with that sort of thing, it's a case of you you try and remain as objective as possible, but you can't help feel that it's an interesting coincidence that you that my wife was pregnant, you know she was ill, that not that we knew at the time and there was that sort of it felt as if that contact was made. So that's very much the sort of beginning of the journey, which is those are my sort of personal experiences as to both panormal phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon. And so I started to research that link between the two. and over the years it's a case of we've come to a number of sort of conclusions, a number of maybe insights and I am now Indeed working on a hypothesis that the two are linked So when you're looking to research this sort of thing, I was trying to understand, you know the UFO and the paranormal communities are very sort of tribal, almost disparate groups. that even though there's a lot of linkage between the two They are actually very much very different areas. and whereas you do get some crossover By and large, the UFO communities see what they're doing as far more Scientific, And the paranormal is seen as far more woo. And that's a term I really don't like very much, but that is a term that is that actually is used a lot. So I was thinking, well, what can I use as a starting point to understand, is there a link between it? And that's when I started reading about Nicholas Tesler. Now Nickola Tesler is pretty much the godfather of modern sort of technology. There' a number of inventions that he created, but there's also something that he said which I found very striking which is to understand the universe, you need to think of it in the terms of Electricity, sort of vibration and frequency. So so sorry, energy frequency and vibration. And I thought, okay, so energy frequency and vibration. that's a great starting point to understand whether there's any link between that And then I was looking at modern physics to try and understand, right? Well, what do we see as what are the building blocks of the universe And one of the great starting points is looking at things like M theory. So M theory basically says that when you get down to a subatomic level, when you get even smaller than that essentially everything comes down to sort of filaments of energy and those filaments of energy actually have a frequency tooth them And so again, this very much builds on that initial sort of almost like throwaway comment by Tesla that you know everything has energy, everything has frequency to it. and so it's a case of thinking right, okay. so We have so we know that there are these different building blocks. And then when I look into frequency itself, I realized that actually We're completely goverven by frequency Everything that we see Everything that we touch, even our brain waves have a specific frequency to them So for example, if you're looking at humans The human brain works in a frequency between seven and twelve herz. and that's basically when you're relaxed, your eyes are closed, it's the yourp pre and your post sleep. But you've got things like your brain operates between four and seven hertz when you're dreaming, you're in a deeper meditation set, but also then when you've got active consciousness That's between fifteen and twenty four hertz and then when you've got that sort of fight or flight, then your brain is operating between twenty four and thirty five hertz. So that tells us that our brains all operate at a sort of frequency range And that's part of what governs us Also, the human body is there designed to pick up different different sort of experiences and that's, you know, through your through your different senses. That's what helps you to, they're like your body's sensors to pick up around the worlds around you And it was a case of thing your right. So this is the brain, this just but the brain doesn't necessarily actually physically see something. What it does is it interprets. And it's about, well, if it interprets It's a case of what what is it interpreting? Is it something that is is there something else there That is basically working alongside the brain. And that's when I had the light bulb moment about consciousness consonsciousness is again, it's an area of investigation. A lot of the time it is in philosophy about consciousness, but there' also sort of scientific studies into consciousness trying to have a sort of quantifiable sort of definition of consciousness And it's a case of their consciousness there are a couple of definitions. So the first definition is about know the experience that is being greater than the sort of sum of its parts, which seems that you know, to be honest with you, that seems quite sort of wishy washy to me, but it's a case of then trying to think well What other sort of definitions can we have? And you know you can talk about it in the terms of a transference of energy between two systems and that's when you start looking at things like the integrated information theory of consciousness So what that basically does is it says that the nature and source of consciousness. So initially it was proposed by Gio Litioni And what he said is that it claims that consciousness is identical to a certain kind of information The realization of which requires physical merely functional integration and which can be measured mathematically according to the phi metric. So phi spellt p I And what the f metric is now I'm not a scientist. This is literally just layperss sort of research. So it may find that you know that some of your listeners will have a far better understanding and may be able to correct me. But as I said, this is a working hypothesis So it's a case of typically at the phi scale, what we have is we have the human brain because that is, as far as you know, the most sort of conscious, it's our sort of marker. And for argument sake, we say has it has a score of one hundred. As you get lower through different sort of species, for example, you know you're going through to mammals and then fish and then inses etcetera, etcera, that score goes lower and lower down the down the scale. Now what you find is is that when you get to a subatomic level then what we find is that actually we have a score That is lower than one. But most importantly It's higher than zero So well what does that mean? So what that actually means is and what the hint is is that actually The sort of universe, as we know it, has a form of consciousness to it. and it's a case of well well well what do you mean by that? Well, maybe it's better to say there is a form of interconnectivity And that there is again, going back to Tesla, he described the ether as that sort of almost sort of astral plane. And when again, when you're using terms of astral plane, these are sort of terms that are put under woo as it were, but actually maybe we need to think about this in different terms that actually we say that there is a realm of sort of energy where there is a constant sort of sharing of information. And so actually what happens is our consciousness is potentially part of that that we are constantly sort of experiencing. so our brain is collecting all of this information, but our consciousness is actually what makes sense of it and is what actually is sharing it to potentially a form of work I everyone likes using the term the matrix, but it's sort of a construct where information is Shays And this is very much. So again, consciousness is something that is this sort of nebulous term that we use, but it is actually something that we know is there and is there towards the scientific community. There's not a lot of research into it, but we know it's there as a presence So it's a case of How do we measure that? How is that? How does that interact? How does that work for us practically and it's a case of When you try and explain it, then you look at the four sort of natural laws of you space time and then the nucar in the large, and nuclear in the small, if you can't explain it within those four sort of forces of nature then it's a case of maybe there is a fifth force of nature that we don't know about. Now when you look at things like the sort of CEN in Switzerland and all the sort of experimentation it's doing there is very much about they've already said that they said that they hinting that maybe there is a fifth or even sixth forth of nature that at the minute we're not actually aware of. But then also there's a challenge about with consciousness, is a case of we're all made up of electrons and might, you know, and very other various other subatomic part particles. We all know it's there But what is it that basically gives one of those particles consciousness? What is it that gives a collection of those consonsciousness So let's take a step back and so I've talked a little bit about consciousness there and why is it important? and also mentioned frequency. So let me give you a really good analogy If you look on on YouTube and look for a experiment about resonance What residence is is that you have two tuning forks and the second tuning fork has a ping pong ball attached to it. And what happens is is you hit the first tuning fork And then the second chewing fork will ring without you actually hitting it and then the ping bong ball will move around and that's represents, I guess you'd say the transfer of information. But the reason why The second tuning fork rings ' because it has resonated with the sound wave that's been generated from the first one And then when the two connect, there is that transfer of information. And so that's the key point, a transfer of information between two information systems So in this analogy, It's actually consciousness that is constantly hitting that first note and then what happens is it basically sees what is it that resonates with it and there's that transfer of information. So that resonance could be the frequency of experience around us, it could be around physical touch, but there is that resonance between us and that's what gives you that transfer of information Neither Again, we're ask ourselves, de, what is the relevance of this So again, if we're looking at both UFO and paranormal experience then one of the sort of common themes that is around is that maybe UFO's especially are actually multid dimensional. So in talking about multidimensional, what does that actually mean So in our dimension, we are three dimensional beings, and it's a case of you know we have our three levels of coordinness But in the fourth dimension, this is something that specifically governs around time and it means that basically coordinates as we know them don't exist. everything is instantaneous And when you then compare that to say a lot of UFO abduction theory, then it's a case of people often talk about being spoken to telepathically or they're transported from point A to point B. Now that is all perfectly normal if you were actually thinking about things within the fourth dimension because as we know, things are basically instantaneous, there are no sound waves because there's no sort of start point point indndeed, if we look at ourselves in the fourth dimension What we would see is so imagine that you were looking at me now and I'm sat in the seat, what you would see is every version of myself coexisting on that chair from birth through to death. That would be my existence in the fourth dimension But as a three dimensional beingam we can't actually see that coexistence So again, another analogy for you is that imagine that you are watching somebody on the TV screen person that you're watching, you know that they are three D because it's a case of, you know, you look at the world around you, you see in three D. However when you're seeing an image, You're actually only seeing a two D image because that's the medium that you're able to see that image in So what this essentially means is is that actually we are living in a multid dimensional world However, we are limited by what we can see because we are a three dimensional being. It's our brain works linear And so we're not able to to understand, we're not able to view potentially what the fourth dimension and what those upper sort of dimensions look like So what that means is to me is that again, when we're looking at how objects are able to move potentially great distance across the universe because as we know, the reality is that we haven't been able to travel faster than light. And if you believe in Einstein, he tells you that basically you can't travel faster than the speed of light So if you can't travel faster the speed of light, or how can you get around that? Well one of those would be to be able to fold space and time or whether you're multid dimensional. then again the idea of coordinates as we know it, doesn't actually exist. So it means that everything is instantaneous and so you would in theory you would be able to move great distances in short times. And so the UFF perspective and it would suggests that actually there is an element of multid dimensionalism there. It means that we have access know to technology that basically is way beyond our comprehension. And it's about you know understanding well what does out of our comprehension mean When you're a maintenance engineer in a beverage manufacturing plant You keep production lines moving and quality on track because there is no room for slowdowns With Granger's vast selection of high quality motors, sensors, belts, and hard to find parts, you can get what you need fast and all in one place, so nothing gets in the way of getting the job done. 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And so it's a case of you might find that when you get, you know, audios and visual phenomena, then it's about basically you are getting a bleed as it were, from another dimension And it's a case of you are you are seeing something that is outside of our of our normal sort of range of vision For example, if you may see somebody in a room, it might be a case of what you have got is an impression. So remember when we go back to seeing yourself coexisting one point at a time, maybe you are actually seeing a slither of somebody's coexistence at that particular point in time. So you are looking at a fourth dimensional object or we looking through that TV screen And what you're only able to do is interpret what you see through the medium that you're able to understand. And so that's why I believe that basically both the UFO and the paranormal phenomena I are in some way linked because I believe that actually what we're doing is is we're looking at things outside of our sort of perception outside of our range of knowledge And what this means is is that our consciousness, our brain, is trying to make something that it can recognize And and this is why also it means that you are essentially the sum of your experience, you are the sum of your programming, which means why two people look at an object and maybe see something very different because it will be have their own perception and their own reality how that sort of represents they are seen And so again, when we're looking about reality, then that again is a really interesting time because it's a case of What you're finding is is that We're in a period of exploring, not both the sort of world around us, but within our sort of mind and around physics as well. However We're very much physics based and basically there's a gentleman called Robert Lamza and he is an advocate for biocentrism And what that basically is is about saying that's placing biology above both physics and chemistry because what he argues is is that basically a lot of what we see, a lot of what we experience can't be explained just through physics. So for example, there's the slip hole experiment where basically you are observing a light and it's a case of when it's observed, then it's a case of know you see that light and it switches forms both between a sort of wave and a light. But the point is It is the observer that makes that that makes that change. If you don't look at it then it's one form, but the minute you do look at it It's another form. And so this is suggesting that there is the term of the observer is defining reality around us And and really what it's saying is is that because the human brain doesn't actually physically see anything, it only interprets, then you could argue to a certain degree that actually it is the human brain and consciousness, there's actually creating reality around it And without consciousness, then there is no existence. It's a case of because it is only an interpretation, everything that we see, everything that we experience is an interpretation. And there's basically people like David Chalmers. and what he does is he basically believes that this idea of pan psychism. and what that is is that he believes that everything has consciousness, everything is being processed, everything is being linked. so the space and time are the tools which the mind puts reality together But anytime a wave function iserved, it collapses and the wave bec goes back to a particle. So there are elements of physics there that we don't actually understand But if we take away that bias of physics and start talking about how we are creating reality around us, then we are actually able to get around some of these sort of sort of challenges And so consciousness for me, is something that plays a far bigger part in our world than we yet understand, Certainly outside of out of physics, but it is very much seen as being part of the W, which basically gives it a massive ervice because I think it is something that needs to be investigated. I think from our own sort of experience and looking at going back to that phi model, we understand that there is some level of interconnectivity and whether you decide to interpret that as being part of a simulation, that is one possible solution. you could say that it's proof that there is omnipotence and that if you follow a particular religion, then you could say actually, this is a way potentially of kind of explaining it using modeling All of these are interesting points. I mean personally, I believe that there is some level of interconnectivity, there is some sort of infinite mass as it wered that is contained within our partular dimension and maybe we need to look at our dimensions rather than thinking of it as this some sort of inanimous object that maybe actually is part of some sort of network. The way I look at it is our level of understanding It's a case of currently, there's this we know that there's this giant kind of network and from our level of understanding, we haven't even been given basic user access yet However, there are more advanced civilizations out there They basically haveve got the admin access. And so what this essentially means is that you know that they are able to access all the information that on the network. and they're able to sort of profit from that information. But again, a lot of the universe around us is all about that experience, that sharing of experience and When you talk to some of these sort of big names in your athology, especially at the minute They talk about when they've spoken to the sort of CIN government and this is going to sound quite out there admittedly, is that one of the thoughts about the sort of human existence itself is that actually we are containers for souls. Now again, this sounds incredibly woo. I don't know My feelings on that, but they're saying that essentially what is happening is that if we are if containers for souls, then what consciousness is doing is basically feeding your soul with experience, with information, and that is in some way shared to a greater a greater sort of network Like I said, personally, I don't know How I feel about that I think what I have found through my years of experience is that some of the Wilder things I was thinking of twenty five years ago is actually now the norm. And some of what is now not the norm is sounds even even crazier I think part of this is going to be down to the fact that people are going to need to find their own personersonal truths I think that there is an argument that both Uphology and sort of paranormal in some ways is its own sort of religion in that we live in a more secular time. and if you do not follow any particular religion, I mean I'm an atheist myself It's a case of then there is an argument that you're looking for your own sort of creation story, your own truth which then the sort of UFO and paranormal experience that kind of helps to Fill that gap, so to speak So from all my experience from and everything I've tried to research and look into I do very much feel that both UFO and paranormal experience are the same thing. I think from my personal opinion that there is a strong multi dimensional elements to this. I think that essentially there is a biome outside of what we can see at the minute So I believe that there is the physical earth And then there is possibly multiple planes of existence on the planet that we only have small access to and maybe we'll find through CEerN that actually we are able to gain access to these different biomes and and understand things. I mean, a good way of explaining it is is when you look up at the night sky, You look look at the sky and you see that basically it's dark But basically and there are a few stars there Whereas the reality is actually the sky should be a blinding light of stars because there are that many stars out there However, as we now know through physics, we have Redshift, which means that we have basically a sort spectral range of light that we can see. So actually we're only seeing a fraction of what is out there And again, if you use that analogy to the earth that we stand on There is only a fraction of what we can actually physically see around us and there is far, far more I'm there. So I guess that's my sort of downloads as to sort of my personal experience and sort of General thoughts Well, James, you have been busy? Yes. O like I said, I'm researching a book for a book at the minute that I'm actively writing and I'm trying to put as much sort of science into it as possible because I think there's a lot of interterpretation, which doesn't help And it's very much trying to look at what is out there as the minute. What are some of the theories that are out there that will help to and be very keen to say this is purely a hypothesis. So if somebody says to me, you haven't understood something correctly, then I warmly welcome that because it then means, great, I can now work on a slightly different hypothesis. know, and it's about science, isn't it? You come with a hypothesis And either it works or it doesn't work and when it doesn't work, you then come up with the next hypothesis. that's exactly what science is. you know, you're forever learning. Absolutely. obviously you've been with the Birmingham UFO group with Dave Hodrren. Yes, that's correct. Wonderful. Okay. And to investigate these cases, it's always a good idea to look for a link arorm past experience and especially for a lot of my guests is, experiences go hand in hand. Absolutely. I think in many ways it's almost as if there is an attunement as it were. So you know again I'm a man of many analogies,'s you know when we're talking about frequency, we're thinking about radio waves and imagine basically that we're essentially a radio that is trying to tune in into a particular channel And when you tune into that particular channel, you then get a signal, but you also need to be aware that there are other radio stations out there as well. Exactly. Okay. Your visit from the men in black or in your case, the people in Yes It's not just the USA have these accounts of the men in black. We do get quite a bit in the UK and they always seem to follow the same pattern If someone has an experience, a UFO experience, then have these visitors. Yeah absolutely. I mean I think the thing when I spoke to David about this, I think the challenge we've got is why was there such a long sort of difference in time? It's a case of why why wait twelve years? I mean there was no sort of specific date, there was nothing sort of unique to to when they came out. for me purely random visit. Did they identify themselves in the end? Nope, they didn't. And the stupid thing is, I didn't ask them either. As I've thought about it many times, it was almost as if I was sort of made compliant. So when I say made compliant, I didn't feel under the influence at all at the time. I was just like, oh, you know, these two people I'll trust. I'll let them into my house, which is ridiculous as it sounds Sit down And and have a conversation. It's interesting. When did you say this was? When did this happen? I was around about thirty thousand thirty one. so this would have been getting on for nineteen years ago. And of course, we don't have the security cameras, you know, like we did then. Well, exactly, exactly. And that's one of my great regrets. I mean And also though, what's very interesting is that normally if we have visitors in the house, my wife would be downstairs, but she didn't come downstairs And she when I asked her about it, she said, Well, it just kind of felt I just kind of thought it was something that was a conversation for you which was quite a strange thing in itself because then you begin to think yourself, well, was she sort of influenced Not to come downstairs because she was aware they came in, but she didn't see them. Yeah, that is interesting ' another interesting point to it. You know, regardless of what what anyone says, I mean, obviously if we move away from the TV movie and stuff. Yeahes, ye There are visits from these people and they're obviously from some kind of government agency. I wouldn't always go as far as to say that they're alidiens themselves, you know, but they do certainly have some unusual characteristics, whether it's in the mannerisms or you know, what you just explain there, the whole the whole bubble that surrounded the visit. Well, that's I was at UFO conference actually over the weekend and I was sort of talking to a couple of people about it and I had a they' got a great analogy for me. So imagine that that maybe it's a case of, you know, whether you go down the fact that they're alien route, which I don't completely agree with, but it's a case of you imagine that basically they are beekeepers and we're and and we're bees. and what they're doing is they want to check the hive. so they put in a sort of a dummy be as it were, just to check the you're going to investigate the hivees. So you put something in that looks in a bit looks like a bee. you go, well, look, it's yellow and black, it looks like an insect, that should be close enough. And sometimes I think to myself, well, you know, when you get the picture when you get these you know you get these accounts of these strange looking people with strange mannerisms, maybe it's a case of they're looking at it and going Ah, that's close enough.ll they'll never notice a difference, but obviously We're a lot more sentient than that and we're very aware of when something is off or not. Isn't a good way of looking at it. And you know when a beekeeper wants to take some honey out from the hive, he smokes the place and that would explain the fog, you know, the brain fog near enough that you bothoth of you were nice and relaxed, you know, you didn't really question it, you just went along with everything that was happening Yeah, yeah. And like I said and again there was like and the funny thing is it is like when they left, there was no sort of big black car or anything. They literally just got their bag and walked down the road and then out of sight, that was it. onene thing, whether you've noticed it already, you know at the meetings, you'll probably find that you'd have individuals that turn up there, which you've even never seen them before or they seem completely out of place Yes. These conferences even the smaller meetings, they do get visited from certain individuals. Absolutely. It's always very very interesting. You know, we look and we know that there's various sort of reports now and we're only aware of we're only aware of some of them at the minute. You know, there's's I'm sure there's plenty of sort of groups out there that we are unaware of and I just think it's now It's a case of we've become sort of hyper aware of it and so we're more likely to see it. So maybe actually the activity hasn't increased. It's just the fact that we have means of being able to you to be able to understand to be able to recognize when something is isn't quite off. becausecause I guess one of the questions I always get asked is by someone who you know someone who's skeptical They say is right, well, we've got got all these cameras and stuff, right? Why is it we don't get a proper picture? Why don't we get something? And We say, Well, there are some pictures out there, but have you ever thought about this? Is that If UFO's are multid dimensional, then if you're in a different dimension, that it means that light could very much be operating at a different frequency. So what we're actually seeing is actually a three D interpretation of what a four D object is. However, when we're actually recording with an object that records at a particular frequency We are only getting a sort of an inflection into our reality. So it's only seeing part of what it can see because that's governed by the frequency of light that it can actually record from. A actually maybe it's not actually recording the actual object, it's only our impression or as you know, our version of reality of that particular object. That's exactly it We're always going to have the fakery, you know, we're always going to have the misidentification. I mean people people don't look up as much. so when they do catch something, then you know they record it and they don't always know what it is. So we always get that, but there's a lot of good videos out there which are a little bit blurry. so it's quite easy to question question you know what's going on, but it's a science, you know we don't understand We think we do and we think we're getting closer, but there's a lot of things we don't understand. Yeah, absolutely. Now what I found very interesting was in doing research, it turns out that sort of paranormal investigation was actually regarded as science in the Victorian times. And it was actually something that there was a lot of investigation into it. But as we moved out of the sort of Victorian era It became out of vogue there and it then almost became ridiculed. So if you actually look back to the sort of Victorian times and just before then, it was actually treated as a serious science and it's a shame we kind of lost that curiosity as it were You're absolutely right there. It's something which is con on goingo. It's a difference between paranormal and ghosts and all that, It's something which is ground level, isn't it? You know, it's something where you can go to an experience. Whereas UFO as it did, more tends to be B the off chance. you know c always catches you off guard, you never expect it really. Yes. But the connections are there. You know the amount guests have on which have had these UFOcounters and sometimes if they're just went off other times they can be something which has happened for decades and decades. And then when you start asking questions about their own life the paranormal they would say, ye, this happened and this happened to my mom. My mom was psychic, you know My dad used to experienced this, findind it goes back several generations. Yeah, absolutely. And I think part of what we need to try and do is not use sort of emotive terms because if so when I'm looking at a research, if somebody says they're psychic, then that immediately gets my sort of backup in that is a case. So when you're saying psychic, what do you what do you actually mean? There's different levels of what you can see. I mean, certainly there's a case of If you are sensitive again looking taking it in this sort of four dimensional space times of element, then maybe you're able to see snippets of events or objects that are essentially out of time. So you know, for example, there's been time slip events. In fact, I actually had a well I'm not sure you'd call it a time slip event, but seven years ago I was traveling on the M So the M six for your s non UK viewers is a main sort of motorway that goes up from Birmingham up through well, up across through the country. and more often than not, there are accidents on that motorway. And I was coming back from a crew in the afternoon and there was an accident and it closed the motorway off for basically on two junctions and they all got put through the back roads. and I was driving through through the back road and I had sat nav on and I got to a particular point where basically there had been heavy traffic and the traffic sort of peetered out and my sat nav basically suddenly stopped working. and that's not uncommon because it could be a just a case of you lost GPS signal. But then what happened was I appeared to drive through some quite dense fog And when I came through the fog look what I came to was a village on a single road, but the buildings around were sort of round stone buildings. so they looked very much like they were from the sort of industrial revolution, the sort of potteries, that sort of because the potteries basically as it sounds is where a lot of the pots are made around stoke. so you know, there's prevalence for that around that area. but it's a case of the houses were very old and there weren't street lights. were really old sort of lanterns across the road. D didn't see anyone. It was very sort of foggy and I have a terrible sense of direction at the best of times. and so I was trying to figure out what to do. and I just drove down the roads went through some fog again and came out And then it was as if I was back in the sort of the normal worlds. Now when I look back So literally, it was like it's like drove through a wall of fog. want to look back There was no fog And actually, I told my wife this when I got back and my wife loves to explore. I have spent a numerous amount of weekends trying to drive around there. trying to see if I could find where it was mainly because I' just interested in the architecture of the buildings. And it's a case of I haven't been able to find it You look at the rational explanation and what you'd say is, right, well, it was foggy, you were disorientated, and maybe you were a bit tired. You have come across an area that you don't recognize and it's a case of maybe, you know that's just the normal look for the village Or you could argue that basically there was some sort of time slip sort of event where for for whatever reason you were either in a different location to where you were or whether you were in a different time. I genuinely don't know. Again, it's one of those things that sounds almost crazy, but I've learnnt over the last twenty five years that never to discount anything to look with with an open mind, you know, a very healthy amount of skepticism, obviously. but that's all I can talk about a sort of personal experience I've had like that How very interesting, that reminds me of a story from nineteen thirty five and it was Air Marshal Cerviict Godard. and he believed he flew into a parallel universe by mistake. When he was still a wing commander, Sir Godard was instructed to inspect an inactive air base located in Drem near Edinburgh, Scotland, while flying over it, soir Godard found the base to be in a very poor state with cattle grazing on the wild grass, found the airbase to be in a very poor state and was in complete shambles. Later on, while flying his biplane, he got into some trouble thanks to some very harsh weather conditions, and to avoid an accident, Segandard decided to fly back to the air base till the weather cleared a bit. As he approached the airbase Parential rain, oddly and very abruptly gave way to bright sunshine If that wasn't odd enough, he noticed that the air base was in mint condition and in use. He even spotted mechanics wearing blue overalls and working on yellow planes parked on a runway. The planes weren't the ones in use by the Air Force back then, in fact, Sir Godard even failed to recognize one of them funny because instant renovation of the place couldn't have been possible. and more importantly These guys weren't wearing the khaki colored uniforms that were the norm then. And also the Air Force painted all their planes in silver, not yellow. He was completely baffled by you know what was going on and Godard got the shock of his life four years later. Europe was war torn and he happened to visit Derem again. But this time he saw everything he saw four years back in nineteen thirty five sameame, people in blue overall service in yellow planes. a full on dejar vu moment. He even actually found a plane he couldn't recognise before and I think it was a Miles Magister. And the same, you know did Did Godard fly four years into the future or quite possibly simply confused about his location? Who knows? Yeah, yeah, such a strange thing, isn't it? Yeah, it's one of those things. it's very difficult to sort of to try and rationalize it if you think like, well, that can't be right. But again, like said I think sometimes you just that sort of personal skepticism to one side and go, right, well, it is what it is. I've seen what I think I've seen, you know? Maybe you did. Who knows? I mean like I said, with that one person, like I said, you know I like to take a healthy amount of skepticism and just say that maybe it was a case of I was just disorientated. but Like I said, there was just a strange element of it. Good stuff, James. You know I was I started off in a paranormal group in Cheltenham It was the Chlham Cycle Research Group. It was We're all connected to Kenserton. I go into UFO's because there was just simply nothing around the area. So was doing I was going out and investigating doing stuff. and I did Central News with Ken Goodwin, I don't know if you're familiar with. Y. Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely. withith him. So and what we did was it was more of a like a emotional thing. So we'd talked about a couple of cases and then we went up to the Cleave Hill just outside of Chatmam And this bear in mind, this was this was Ken's and the report was idea that we were going go up there and do like a mock skkywatch. R.. So we were doing this live thing on top of the hill. and we were going to have this skkywatch that night, but we didn't. So when wed finished recording, we you know, we all went home and We had reports that There was hundreds of people all up on Cleve Hill expecting a skkywatch. So we caused absolute chaos in Chun and I think it was I think it was a Wednesday or a Friday happen. But this was nineteen ninety four, I think it was Wow. Well Skywatch is an interesting thing as well because it's talking about because one of the other things I'm looking at is that when you get Like minded people together and we talk about that sort of interconnectivity. then what we find is often we get a greater sort of range of experience. So I did a Skywatch about three months ago in Canic Chase. Now Cannic Chase is actually one of the UK hotpots for UFO activity. And what we did was there was research there was a skkywatch with multiple UFO groups and one of the things I did was it was actually an experiment. and what I did was did a I guess the best way to do it best way to describe it for your listeners is that it was a meditation circle. So what happened was is I had thirty people