Artificial Intelligence and National Security

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It feels good to Gaiko From Wired, this is the Big Interview, where we get to know the people behind the headlines, in conversations that explore the intersection of technology, power, and culture. I'm Katie Drmond, Wireds Global editorial director Over the next few months ahead of the midterm elections, we've been talking to candidates in key races across the country And there's a pretty interesting one happening in Florida Retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Alex Vindman, a key witness in the first impeachment trial of President Trump, is running for one of the Sunshine State's Senate seats. That seat is the one formerly held by now Secretary of State Marco Rubio currently occupied by Republican Ashley Moody. To unsee her, Vinman will have to first win the Democratic primary in August. And if he does, he'll go up against a Republican in a state that President Trump won by more than thirteen percentage points in twenty twenty four Vindman was considered a long shot when he launched his Senate campaign in January But a recent poll by Change Research shows him leading Moody. He's here now to explain why he believes he's the right person for the job Welcome to the bigig interview Alex. Thanks good to be here with you Katie. So glad to have you here. So you are maybe best known on a national level as a whistleblower, But you are also and I'm going to list several things here. and I want to make sure I get them right. You are a more than twenty year Army veteran. You were honored with a purple heart after being wounded in Iraq and you were on the National Security Council. So I curious, if you feel like your role in the first impeachment trial, at first, I mean, embarrassing to even have to say that, if President Trump overshadows your work and your career, what would you like to be best known for if you could pick? I thought you were going to say that I was best known for my appearance on Kbiew enthusiasm. A lot of folks seem to recognize me from there. Certainly, you know the public knows me from that context necessarily recognize the impact. I was sitting testify in front of Congress, you know, I was the focus of the story, but I wasn't really part of that story, at least not in my sense, I was just doing my job Behind the scenes, a lot of folks knew me for having a pretty exceptional military career. My family came to the US in nineteen seventy nine I was four years old, we were Jewish refugees that fled from the Soviet Union. Dad land in the US at the age of forty seven to hold furniture to be able to provide for us boys was my older brother, my twin brother a grandmother who didn't get along with. He was a primary caregiver because my mother passed away and worked my way up through There combat tours in Iraq representing this nation and embassies in Kieiv Ukraine Moscow, Russia, Pentagon service, well I wrote the book on Russia And then the White House and the National Security Council. that's what I was known for with regards to the professional channels. But the public obviously saw just a small sliver, a small snapshot of an army officer that was willing to speak up and do the right thing and damn the consequences and because that's what I was trained to do. So if that's all they know about me, if they know that I'm a fighter for what's right They will call balls and tricks regardless of where the fault lies then that's okay. That's not a bad place to be known to be known for something. And I want to take our listeners and our viewers back in time a little bit because this was several years ago and not to dwell on that one moment, but that impeachment trial, that first one You testified before Congress about a pivotal phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky. This was back in twenty nineteen And this is the call wherein Trump appears to pressure Zelensky to investigate Bidens now it has been several years and it has been arguably dozens and dozens, if not hundreds of scandals at the feet of President Trump What you found so troubling about that call and why you felt compelled to come forward in that moment? So for me as a professional, I'd been serving on the National Security Council. Russia and Ukraine were already five years into a war And what I had witnessed was a scheme that would have undermined U. S. national security would have driven that looked like it was inspiring Russia to be even more aggressive. That's the way I perceived it. and that's the fact that materializes just a few years later at full scale Wren twenty twenty two And I also witnessed what I thought was an effort to steal an election. and it was not something that could Ily buy It was squarely in my area of responsibility. I had this large portfolio in a position of enormous responsibility. and I just did what I thought was right It's the same thing that I had trained my soldiers to do along the way Don'talk by mistake If you see something wrong, you've got to say something. you could make those corrections, even if it's up to the chain of command as long as you do it respectfully and that you know, your intent is to to make sure that you're delivering on the mission for me was U.S. national security. So I don't look backwards and have any regrets. I think I modeled what I thought was good behavior for my fellow service members, for my daughter, who at the time was eight years old. And that chapter ended almost twenty two years of military service And I'm opening up a new chapter of service after being forced out of the military My wife was looking for a place to move to to get away from politics. so we moved to Florida. You moved to Florida. A stronghold for the president. That's true, but it was also a good place for us, my best friend for my very first assignment In the military married a local in South Florida outside of Fort Lauderdale. We'd been going there for years. We had a natural network. We needed a better environment to raise our family. and it turned out to be an ideal setting for us. so much so that just a few months after we got there, I convinced my dad New Yorker that said he would never leave to move down. he's ten minutes away from me and we're trying to live that wonderful Florida a lifestyle, but watching things slip away because it's getting too expensive Corruption is driving up costs It is becoming increasingly unaffordable for folks on fixed income to survive in Florida My daughter, who is fifteen years old, ninth grader She's got three years left. I want her to stay next to Dad So I'm trying to make sure that we build a Florida That's welcoming to women, young women That is a place that iss affordable for young folks that are finishing up whether they go into trades or university that they could settle there and afford to have a good quality of life place where there are jobs. unemployment in Florida is surging. because of the decisions being made by This administration, and Ashley Moody, my opponent, who was appointed to that role. But let me ask you, you spent more than two decades serving in the U.S military. testified in this impeachment trial, anyone who speaks out against President Trump or sort of takes that sort of very public posture. I mean, you're up against harassment, death threats. You really went through the ringer Your wife wanted to get away from politics, you moved to Florida Yeah. Why run It wasn't necessarily the easiest decision. My heart's been in public service My entire professional life served this country and postings around the world in combat was wounded by a roadside bomb and earned a purple heart. witness the costs of decisions and what that means with regards to loss of of our true treasure, our troops, squandering of billions of dollars and resources sounds very similar to what's going on. I mean, I have to ask about how you're How you're looking at the conflict in Iran at this moment? I know you've spoken out against it. I think it is foolish Distraction from taking care of the people of Florida. It is poorly executed And what really troubles me is that my opponent, Ashley Moody, signed on to this war. She gave this administration to pass eightight times voted voted in support of this administration getting a free pass with no strategy and with deeply mprioritized with regards to what this administration should be working on for for the American people, for the people of Florida. What does that mean a free pass? What exactly did she vote for? She voted to block an authorization of the use of military force And I mean, this is a power that Congress has to rein an administration that's using force extra constitutionally, not in accordance with the laws and you should just give them a free pass To me, that's deeply disturbing We just had Memorial Day and I was in Tampa attending a commemoration We were commemorating the loss of soldiers in this war with regards to Iran. and I spoke about the soldiers and peers and friends d I lost during my combat tour and I think that We need judicious wise, thoughtful, almost as important independent thinkers. Not somebody that's there just to be a rubber stamp. power. They're told by the administration to vote a particular way, reliable votes unquestionable vote. That's what we have currently with regards to the state of Florida. And was there a moment? I mean, what was it that made you say, you know what? I'm doing it seven days a week as we were talking before we we turned the mics on that you take half a day off every couple of weeks. And I said a five day work weeek or a seven day week and you looked at me like I was crazy. I think the week is a day any day of the week is a day that ends and why. But, you know, look, I think for me We came to Florida and I was continuing to serve, in my view, I was continuing to serve this nation by helping get veterans elected as principled actors, working with a group that help usher in the political careers of Veterans that have sworn the same oath I have done to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies foreign and domestic and act as principled leaders. And I think about in the military terms, in the army terms rather, we talk about this acronym leadership, as an acronym for everything. loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service honor, integrity, personal courage, as a measuring stick for your actions So that was one way I was serving. Another way was I finished up a doctorate in International Fairs from Johns Hopkins, wrote a second New York Times bestseller, lectured around the country to try to take a different approach with regards to the way we conduct ourselves around the world to secure the United States Watching things unfold in Florida, it was a personal decision. My dad Lves ten minutes down the road. I'm paying for half of his rent in order for him to afford to be able to live there Too many folks in Florida are struggling with the same decisions My daughter Three years from now She's going to make a decision about whether she wants to stay in Florida or move move on I wanted her to pick Florida. sameame thing that too many families are struggling with young folks that are making the decision to move somewhere else because it's too expensive The opportunities don't exist there If you're running in a state where President Trump won in twenty twenty four by thirteen percentage points, There is a very deeply entrenched GOP voter base in Florida. Democrats have found success in the past year, I would argue, by going harder left Where do you identify on the ideological spectrum? Do you consider yourself a progressive? What labels do you apply to your politics? No labels. No labelsning as a Democrat. I chafe against the idea of being pigeonholed in one spot or another. I am running as a Democrat, to be absolutely clear, No joke there I think the important point that you made is that, you know, people are stillill to this day and I see this because I'm out traveling the state extensively I'm talking to folks around the country about why Florida is a race to watch and why we're going to win And folks keep going back to what I think is ancient history It is, you almost irrelevant at this point November twenty twenty four when Trump won by thirteen ons. That's not the reality today That has not been the reality across the country. We've seen that in you know election after election now emerging as a wave We've seen it in Florida with two special elections where the margins were Democrats showing up in force Independence showing up and aggressively supporting Democratic candidates What I'm seeing in less than the four months that we've had, we've done about two hundred events You could do that's that's That's seven day a week thing, I guess. Yeah. That's we we are out there. We're talking to thousands and thousands of people. We're not trapped in a democratic bubble We're talking to independents, We're talking to Republicans. Well, Well, let me get specific here with you around some of the key issues in this race You've talked a lot about cost and higher prices How do you beat that back? If you're elected, how do you solve that for Floridaans? There are two things I have to deliver. This is a special election for me I've got two years to prove myself. othertherwise I haven't earned the right to be re elected for a full six year term Two things are some guardrails and accountability making sure that we have independent minded leaders, I'm a veteran that served presidents of both parties that will make thoughtful judicious decisions on how the executive branch is conduct itself It's that whole co equal branch of government Congress has abrogated its responsibilities here. As soon as we institute some guardrails, take back control over, for instance, tariffs which is in the power of Congress automatically chip away at a huge price factor for every single American family. five hundredion dollars. I think a lot of Americans have probably forgotten exactly what is within the purview of Congress to curtail because tariffs have felt like a Trump impulse. It is. And I think if we reassert our authorities there It's a twenty thousand five hundred dollars tax break. Because the tariffs are tax It's a twenty five hundred dollars tax break to every single family in America If we reassert our authorities over war powers, reining in this administration that's used force on seven occasions, then we preclude what we are witnessing with regards to Iran where over a very short period of time, over the course of weeks Price of gas has surged because we made some poor decisions about going to war without a strategy without an exit strategy, without a thoughtful approach to the consequences of war, what we call in the military, second and third order effects fact that you could look to attack Iran, but does that result in regime change? hasn't What it does result in is a closure of this very important piece of geography and a constraint on oil around the world and a surge in prices ' and it'sffecting everything. It's affecting grocery It's affecting you know every single aspect of life for the people of Florida. I mentioned actually those things about checks and balances actually have a direct effect on costs. Tariffs is one. avoiding other chaos and instability that drives up prices But then we start looking at real solutions around, for instance, homeowners' insurance We have a national flood insurance program We should be thinking about something similar with regards to homeowners' insurance. Some way to buttress these big insurance companies to stay in markets like Florida, specifically in Florida so they can compete against each other and drive down costs. You know Another major issue that Wired has spent a lot of time covering, particularly this year has been immigration and has been IC You have been vocal about IC. I think it was in One of the first videos you produced as a candidate, if I recall correctly, actually included footage of Minnesota What is your perspective especially looking at the state of Florida specifically around immigration, ice and how to grapple with what has become, you a really unwieldy, to say the least, situation across the country. I mean, it feels very sort of difficult to contemplate how you claw back someome of the power that IC has been has been bestowed, right? Actually I don't think it's that hard. I think it's easy. I think fund them? No, I don't think it's def funding. I think it's the fact that the signals from this administration have been Sals of impunity, signals have driven escalation instead of de escalation broader powers than what has existed for us over the course of multiple administrations, Democratic and Republican that were they were there for immigration and customs enforcement That is a very narrow set of tasks And they've been given a much broader mandate. I think that How would you like to see that agency operate? I think structural reforms that make sure that the folks are getting proper training I think the Iice agents that have been there over the course of longer careers are probably disgusted. Oh we've reported on some of them. they absolutely are. They're disgusted with the fact that there are untrained, unqualified IC agents being brought into the force. Yeah. folks with poor records. folks that don't have the proper temperament to be able to handle themselves with regards to populations. I think about my time in the military, and you know when we were in Iraq, we were operating amongst the civilian population with the intent of winning hearts and minds. Our folks were properly trained to desescalate limit the use of force, not going in there to crack some skulls the way we see some of this happening not there with face masks on to protect identity so that they could engage in abuses. So it's masks off, it's proper training It's making sure that they're de escalating in confrontations. That is the bare min. but we should also be clear that I think that you know both parties utterly failed with regards to immigration, reform, And frankly, border security. It is sovereign responsibility of a state to control its borders, to understand who's coming in, who's coming out you know, the flows of populations to protect, it's a national security function. So We could have done better on this function across multiple different administrations And we've utterly abbrogated our responsibility for immigration and left millions of people an untenable situation whether that's dock of kids that came here with and end up having a legal status that's then being kind of pulled out from under them And I'm willing to tackle some of these issues that have been too hard because it's simply the right thing to do. We're seeing under this administration Cruelty Deep insecurity bred into specific communities and minority communities, communities of color And that is to me, it's on American and we need to put a stop to some of these actions and activities. What does Meingful functional strategic border control look like to you, given In your view So many administrations have failed to get this right. What does it look like to get it right I think part of the solution is simply in technological That would allow us to be able to do just the basic nuts and bolts of modering I think that We are missing the boat if we think just in the context of a literally the border itself. The driver behind these issues is deep insecurity in different parts of Latin America and Central America. And unless we're figuring out some ways to tack the problems with regards to narro trafficking, instead of cutting programs for U. S. aid, figuring out how to do more to prohibit narro trafficking, understanding that there's also an economic component that these are migrant workers that are here for temporary periods of time intend to go back home support their families, doing jobs that Americans won't do. There's a formula that allows us to account for that migrant workers. folks that are coming here with asylum and that we need a a rapid system to make determinations notot keeping people in limbo for years and years blocking at the border because that's the easiest thing to do But something that is truly American and kind of speaks toart our soul as a country of immigrants I think figuring out a way to navigate all of those different interests is critically important We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back Introducing the total Solutions advantage only from Comcast Business. It's the largest fastest fiber powered network for small business, gig speeds with equipment and security included and a five year price lock No one does business like Ccast business Switch today? Get started for sixty dollars a month for twelve months when you add an advanced solution to a qualifying interternet package. 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I mean, you would come into this role at a state level, sure, but with a great deal of national purview in a moment, at least for the next two years, to your point where These are sub mission critical conversations and decisions that need to be made in this country. I would argue about artificial intelligence I'm curious, in particular, given your background with the military and in national security contexts how you were thinking about artificial intelligence, your thoughts, your concerns. Different layers to this. I understand it is a massive economic driver There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. We are entering a artificial intelligence age that if shhepherded the correct way, it could grow our economy produce new jobs But we are completely missing The reality of the previous revolution, which was the social media revolution, that also introduced division and disinformation and discord and mental health issues. So having folks that are thinking through and understanding lessons learned of recent revolutions and their effects, understanding that artificial intelligence could be an important driver that we want to maintain the innovative edge when there are competitors out there like China hard on our heels, looking to seize the initiative and dominate the space I think that I'd want to start with some basic principles One is we need to maintain the innovation edge Two is we need to figure out how to mitigate the harm because there' be some harm whether it's deep fakes that are foreign powers or even domestic threat actors deploy to malign candidates or kind of create chaos. We need to account for that that job displacement is real It's only going to amplify and segments of our society that are O a customer. to having their jobs under threat Professional class We've seen this occur with regards to de industrialization with regards to blue collar workers. not that's not where this is headed Trades are not going to be affected by this. There'll probably be new jobs created. So we need to figure out and understand what that means because it's going to be massively destabilizing with the folks that earn some of the more stable and larger incomes in our society We also need to understand the ecological impact becausecause in places like Florida, I think that Interestingly enough, Governor DeSantis is looking at some constraints and controls to make sure that water resources are being shepherded. I was fascinated by that. I was going to ask you about that. This was surprising for me and for listeners who aren't aware, Ron DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida, I believe he signed a bill recently actually regulating data centers essentially The idea would be not to pass on utility costs of those data centers onto Floridians That was surprising to me because candidly, I haven't heard very many Republicans talking about regulating AI in any context, let alone sort of looking at data centers in particular Why do you think data centers have become such a political focus for both parties They're deeply unpopular Yeahes, certainly. I think the driving factor is that data centers are pricing Communities out of utilities It is creating a massive surge in costs. My twin brothers' drict and he's a congressman in Northern Virginia, they're experiencing a lot of this stuff. So we need to make sure that we preserve space for residents for small and medium businesses in communities and that they're not priced out by massive AI companies and data centers that could just buy up all the utilities and buy up the energy supply. That's one thing that we need to account for water, massive consumption of water. We are suffering droughts in Florida right now So we need to account for water usage There may be places to put data centers that won't have that kind of devastating effect on utilities and costs And we want to make sure that we preserve enough space so that we maintain an edge with regards to artificial intelligence. I'm willing to look at these different pockets and figure out, you know what's the correct path, but with the first principle of Do no harm, make sure we protect the local community, and also figure out if there's a way to build a twenty first century economy in Florida. You talked a few minutes ago about sort of learning lessons from the social media era, and I certainly agree with you from a regulatory standpoint. And I think one of my observations During those years of sort of rapid growth of social media companies and social media usage and starting to see the damaging effect that the technology was having, especially on young people was you know, you would tune into some congressional testimony and you would have lawmakers asking questions that strongly suggested They had very little idea what they were talking about Do you feel confident that American politicians by and large understand enough about artificial intelligence to be in a position if you're in office for two years and you're part of those conversations to regulate the technology in a strategic way? I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical that we have a leadership that is postured to do that I think what we wouldd probably want to do is you undertake a pretty deliberate process to educate ourselves And I'm happy to play a role. This is an area that I know I need to get smarter on. I understand the big strategic. I'm a geopoliticist. So I understand the big strategic impact, but know, in terms of the nuances I don't think there are too many people that have that kind of deep expertise, but it's something that I'd want to undertake and get some level of mastery of to be able to come up with thoughtful legislation that looks at the top layer, preserving innovation doing no harm to communities, but also what this means five years from now with regards to massive layoffs and the fact that young folks are having an impossible time landing jobs right now coming out of university. We're coming back to your daughter, right? I mean, in three years. That's right. What troubles me is that Part of the challenge that we're seeing today within the strife in our society is that politicians from a generation ago knew that there was going to be a disruption with regards to globalization Understood D industrialization would mean that there are job losses. and failed, utterly failed to account for these realities because it was too hard werere unwilling to take to educate themselves, to communicate with the population and legislate in a way that foresaw the impacts and preserved jobs allowed folks to gain continued education to retool for whatever it might be. One of the biggest growth sectors in tech is defense contracting I'm curious if you followed the fight between the Trump administration and Anthropic. And I'm wondering about how you think about AI use in warfare and whether you have thoughts there. I've been following it to a certain extent. most of this fight unfolded as I was launching this campaign. So A little bit distracted with Well connecting with the voters. But it is I think that principles and values matter. My second book I mentioned was a study of where we went wrong with regards to Russia and Ukraine and how we arrived at this what I've referred to as a geopolitical earthquake and this large scale war in Europe and that if we had been less short sighted more focused on the long term, focused on the values that drive our involvement in Europe or in Ukraine instead of short term interests, the shiny bright object immediately in front of us, we probably would have avoided some of these issues. So I'm very much powered by this idea of principles and values that should govern our actions, I think that It's interesting that Anthropic took a principled stand. And this administration looked to punish anthropic on that basis. I would be somebody that would speak out against that is it also deeply concerning that, you we are undercutting powerhouse with regards to innovation and future tech in the United States and we are taking something out of the command economy playbook, the, you know, communist playbook where we're directing the actions of industries and letting instead of letting free markets prevail. That's That's not, you know, typically where the Republican Party finds itself But that's where it is today. You mean the Trump administration punishing anthropic. phanthropic taking a stand around how its artificial intelligence tools were used by the pandem. Yes its designation as a Do you have a view on where that line should be drawn? I mean, Anthropic certainly has a view. I think other AI companies open AI included take a bit of a different one, right? or they put some addendums in the fine print. It's all very sort of carefully crafted and worded when these companies come out with their statements. If you were in this seat, How would you be thinking about and talking about and voting when it comes to sort of enhancing our artificial intelligence capabilities in the context of war. So just to be clear. Yeah, I don't think these are nationally national security driven decisions These are deeply unqualified people that are making decisions In the best interest of national security. Oh, sure, but out of spite. But out of spite Yeah frankly, out of some sort of, know, ideological drive, We are seeing an administration that is happy to go after perceived opponents folks that break with, you know, this laser focused on delivering for the administration. So these are decisions that are not enhancing U.S national security, They're undermining U.S. national security. So that's part of where we need some checks and balances Secretary of Defense should be driven by making sure that we're best armed to defend the United States against our threats that we have the best technologies, not by some sort of ideological fight against you know whatever they call it now. He's going to war against woke or whatever that means. These are not what the Secretary of defeense should be focused on It should be focused on making sure the services How would they need a military industrial base is equipped to defend this nation against threats That's something that I chafe against. that we are politicizing our military, or politicizing our defense industrial base for and undermining US National security That is not something that I'm interested in letting pass. I want to ask you a few questions or talk a little bit about communication As you have been sort of talking and when you think about politics and you think about artificial intelligence, you know, I think For a lot of people in this country, and we get a lot of this at Wired whenever we cover AI in particular is people in our comments or on Instagram saying like no, I get this technology away from me. I don't want it I think for so many people, there is this feeling of, you know voice staying new innovation on them and political leaders who for decades have been unable to adequately the technology industry to heal to regulate this industry in a sensible, rational, responsible way And when you combine all of that, this feeling that you have big tech foisting innovation on you, you have political leaders who are incapable of really doing much about it. There's a real erosion, I think, of trust in the leadership of this country, and I would arguably put tech executives you know, on the same level as political leaders because of the amount of power that they now wield in this country How do you think politicians in the United States can win back some of that trust and that credibility from a tactical point of view, I mean, what are you doing to try to Breakthrough to voters, breakthrough to floridians and be someone that voters feel like they can look to, that they can trust. Because again, I think when you combine sort of big tech and politics There's so much anger, there's so much resentment. How can Political leaders in this country win some of that back. So I think a couple of things come to immediately come to mind. First of all, I'm a huge proponent of accountability. I think that nobody is above the law. I think I've demonstrated that in spades The fact is that Does't make a difference your wealth or your political stature Everybody should be subject to the same rules I've fought for that and we'll continue to fight for that. I try to be clear that I'm'm principally driven and I measure my behavior based on the acronym, leadership, loyalty, duty respect, and so on that I try to model good behavior both for my daughter and for young folks around me and and that I'm trying to raise the bar. That's why I work so hard to help get veterans elected around the country in national security types because they share my value set. and that we get away from this horrible era where we're dismissive of bad behavior and corruption And we just say, well, that's politics And we give it a pass And we raise the bar and say, well, that's politics Those people represent us, they're held to a higher standard I couldn't get more tactical than my own personal kind of mindset and the way I've conducted myself over the years With regards to AI, it's interesting It is creating a huge amount of antibodies amongst the population because I think people are kind of intuitively understand the impact of social media revolution, what that's done with regards to division They could see the danger the danger signs on the horizon They could see the lack of accountability from an exorbitantly wealthy class of tech leaders I don't think they're they're all bad, but, you know power Without checks and balances, without accountability It's a corrupting force and we're seeing some of that play out I also, it's interesting that my daughter, who's fifteen She is she's unplugging from some of her social media and she's a lot of teenagers out there like your daughter. A deleted Snapchat. Wow. I mean, that's a big one.'s a big That's a big. E though the incentive is you get a reward every day that you're on whate whatever it is that they do. you know, might put it back on, but she's not feeling that she hold herself to posting on a daily basis She's also veryery mindful of AI. potentially as a crutch or a shortcut. She understands that if she doesn't master some basic skills onn her own She will be struggling later on. She's pretty plugged in. She's on her speech and debate team cross country. 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