Communism as a Threat to America

This is an IiHart podcast Guaranteed human. On New Tld podcast, we're celebrating America's two hundred fiftieth birthday And I ask my guests how they're spending their fourth of July. I will be working. I'll be in Washington because it's a big, big day. Jared Isig. I plan to be flying an F five fighter jet painted in Freedom two hundred fifty colors along with four other fighter jets flying over the nation's capital. Listen to Newsworld when the IHart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of Cay and Buck Pay on his way back, I believe from Hawaii. He'll be joining us on Thursday Uh It's just me, the Bxer today And There's no way around it A very rough day in terms of the biggest Supreme Court decision, it went against us Let's just jump right to it by six three. Although there's a little bit of an asterisk makes it feel more five four, but by six three The court decided If someone is born on U S soil anywhere any reason any time Criminal conspiracy of birth tourism included. U, you you name it They are with the only exception being diplomats, which was previously carved out Um They are U. S. citizens They they have come down with this decision that I think is one of the worst in the history of the court, quite honestly Alito, Justice Alito. Oh let me give you some of the No some of the stats, the details just so we can have a really robust conversation about this. It's important we talk about it and understand what is notot just in the decision, but what happens now deal. unfortunately, it's a bad. This is, as a leader wrote, one of the most important decisions in the history of the court. And in my judgment, the court has made a serious mistake So you had Gorsuch Alito Thomas. seeee this for what it is. That's the three who just said, you guys have got to be kidding me in other words, but wasas there bottom line on this. you can't really believe that somebody who shows up And this happens, this isn't just a theoretical. this happens every day in this country. We'll get to the tr by the way, the trans athlete thing that went in our favor. So that's good news. There is some good news to discuss today as well And there was also a ruling on political campaign finance donations. We'll get to that. That's much smaller potatoes right now than this. The trans ruling went our way, but that I think was expected. I mean, that would have just been court no longer can read plain English. This Well, maybe the court can't read Pate English. Think about some of the things that have had to be had to be taken up by the Spreme Court. Do the word temporary in fact mean a is in not forever and will end at some point. The court had to rule on that. The Democrats on the court, That's what they are Pople say the liberals are Democrat The Democrats on the court said, no, temporary actually means forever because you're mean That was troubling. Today, the court did find that when the law says biological sex and separation thereof under Title nine, it actually is biological sex And just because somebody might really, really, really want that word or that reality to be something else, it does not change. So that's encouraging. But Let's get back here T Big one which is the birthright citizenship case The court And this came up in oral arguments before The court has said today in essence or no, really actually quite explicitly. I shouldn't even say in essence If a Chinese birth and that's where there's a lot of this birth horism that goes on. and that also raises concerns in this country because that's our primary geopolitical and economic rival. There's a lot of subversion, a lot of espionage, a lot of working against the interests of the American people happening when it comes to China The Supreme Court today said that if a Chinese Tourist breaks is against the law to do this. keep in mind. U Birth Torest shows up here has a baby here, takes that baby. out of that hospital in San Francisco or Los Angeles or wherever goes back to China. They can come back here in eighteen live their whole life in Beijing. Maybe they don't speak a word of English. Maybe all they've learned is how terrible America is. They can come back here at age eighteen And they're as American as you and I They are as American as apple pie. I My friends, It's deeply distressing just to say that out loud because we know God had an instinctual Dare I say at an American level, that is just not true It's just not true. The court can say it's true, but the court also said that there was a special right to privacy to kill a baby in the womb. They were wrong on that one for a long time The court also ruled in Dred Scott. The court also ruled in Roe v. Wade.t They have been wrong in the past and I think this is Ran And it wasn't n No. It wasn't like, oh my gosh, there's no real question of fact here or there's no question of law. It was six three and Kavanaugh says look I got to go right now with the majority as in this is the law now, but he thinks the Congress You can just change this. The majority held that this is actually constitutional this is in the Constitution and therefore a act of a legislature alone would not be enough. You would need a constitutional amendment. You would need a constitutional amendment The court says today to make it no longer the case that an illegal who shows up here from Nicaragua comes across the border, has a baby here and maybe goes back home. is is and then returns at age eighteen or returns that could return in a few decades and run for president As American as American gets, it's all the same I'm sorry. I will Really sorry But I sit here and I tell you what has happened today, but I also tell you that as far as I am concerned, a majority of the Supreme Court has decided that to be legally American is so debased that it can in fact be obtained as the proceeds of criminal conspiracy and that the founders who risked hanging to forge this nation wanted us all one day to think that citizenship is just a game Joke A scheme of no real meaning, no bonds of fraternity friendship or Nation Among us, it's just words on a page courtesy of some bureaucrat somewhere That is it It's a devastating ruling Now now that I think we've explained at least basics of what this is. They're saying subject to the jurisdiction thereo. That was always the Now keep in mind. The Congress had to Change changed the law after the fourteenth Amendment because of Native Americans were not considered initially to be automatically citizens as a result of the passage of the fourteenthmendment. The fourteenth Amendment explicitly had to deal with Freed slaves and that they are Americans and that they are full citizens and there should be and can be no question or debate about that It is ludicrous It is ludicrous for the justices to sit there and say You know, that also covers people who are subject to foreign citizenship and foreign law come here in violation of our law, have a baby and even return home. That's one thing, the anchor baby thing is bad enough because that is the proceeds crime s it's a benefit And let me also point out that anchor babies of all kinds are a rapid pathway for the rest of the family. That's why there's the anchor to keep them here, but there's also the anchor pulling in The rest of the foreigners to skip the to the front of the and then we're told it's family reunification This is a huge Inentive for people to continue to game our immigration system And it's happening at the same time that we are told We need to pay more. We need to pay more taxes. There needs to be more rules, more laws on the law abiding, more restrictions on the productive. You're not doing enough. Nicholas Christopf of the New York Times is saying that Elon Musk has killed millions of children because of cuts to USAID. If we aren't paying, you and I aren't paying to put gas in the tanks of cars in West Africa or the Sudan or or Cambodia. And there's any problem over there? It's our fault. We're literally killing children. That is the position of the left now So we have to Come together and have a conversation about what does it in fact mean to be American? What is it to be American? Even some on our own side. I think air when they say, well we are just a ed old nation. No we are a people and a creed two things simultaneously and one cannot be separated from the other. If you change the people entirely, the creed does not matter. If you change the creed entirely, well then the people will be led astray This Supreme Court is absolutely leading us astray with this decision? It is Distressing? and It's not just because I think it shows A mentality that A large portion of the country shares that Americanness is just status something that can be changed with the check of a box with the wave of a bureaucratic wand. There's nothing to it. You don't have to speak English, you don't have to share our history. you don't have to even grow up or live or be around any of us. You could in fact, according to Justice Roberts, who is a coward and Kavanaugh, who Well, he's not as bad Cony Barrett who I think is just not as smart as the others, just being honest with you. I'm talking about the consonservatives They think that if you live your whole life in Beijing, but you spent Five days here after being born in San Francisco, you should be able to run for president in America You are a U. S. citizen. We should be willing to deploy SEL team six anywhere in the globe to save your ass, even if you've lived in Beijing for forty years because you spent five days here in San Francisco and they decided that subject to the jurisdiction thereof on a tourist visa means you're American The probleblem is my friends, they have opened the definition so wide that You'd have to ask If everyone is American, then what does it even mean to be American If the bar is so low, If it is so debased as I said What are we left with Let me tell you Anybody who is feeling a little squeamish about Deporting as many illegals in the country as possible before. I hope this is a wake up call to you The left, the Democrats, the communists in this country. That's right, the communists in our midst They view this place America as a commune. They want us They want us to be Subject to all the other jurisdictions there of as well. They want to take what is yours. They want to give it to others. they want you to shut your mouth in the process This is a very dark day on the court. This is a very dark day for America. We will fight on. We will keep pushing But I cannot sugarcoat it for you This was a devastating ruling from the court and You have to wonder, you ask yourself How many people going forward are going to be willing to fight and die for an economic zone How many Americans going forward are going to say I will answer the call. I will go anywhere. The commander in chief tells me to and risk my life and be away from my family and not see my children and not be next to my wife or my husband for months and months, perhaps even over a year at a time on deployment. How many will do that knowing that it is so cheap and to be American that someone can show up here for five minutes and have all the same rights, all the same benefits But somehow not the same obligations as you and me They have no answers for that to you for you today on the court And I wish I had all the answers on this, but I don't, honestly. it's a bad day for the country. We fight on, we don't cry, we don't whine We take it process it and we will move forward. That is my promise to you here on the show I'm sure a lot of you are going to have thoughts on this. Let's talk about it. I will get to the transgender ruling, which was Absolutely the right ruling and important It is a good ruling, it is an important ruling. today is overshadowed somewhat by this birthright citizenship ruling that over I just It undoes the Trump executive order on this. 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I mean, let's just jump right to the legislative ways to at least makeake citizenship something that feels less like a joke. Yeah, it's common sense that if you're here you unlawfully here in the country and you have a child, that that child should not haveac couldated. I mean, I think even Alito in his dissense said in my judgment, the court made a mistake that will seriously affect the countriry's future. So If that's the situation, let's look at legislative ways to fix it. I think you just have to write something straightforward. like no The fourteenth Amendment was written at a different time for a different situation, i. e dealing with the evil of slavery in the aftermath of all that. and then And the fact that you are born here does not actually make you subject to it just just by the fact you' born that shouldn't fit that clause. So I think that is the key takeaway, but unfortunately, it was whatet f or the other direction. and the court said no the fourteenth Amendment iss going to be interpreted in a way that says you are a citizen. it Is it I'd have to look at this. I know that birth tourism is illegal. there have been cases brought against usually the the like birth tourism center or the place that is conspiring to to bring in people to do this. My understanding is that, you know, that That is illegal Is there any restriction on visas for people from countries coming here at six months or eight months or whatever it may be pregnant depending on how long it have stay in the country? Is that also something to be looked at? because people are wondering short of a sweeping change in what just happened today, how do we tighten things up? Because this is just going to be a free for all now We do need to tighten things up in a host of ways and make sure that in the event we get another Joe Biden, he can't do what he did, which is allow ten million people just to come into the country all claiming asylum and saying temporary protected status is not temporary. It's forever and all the things that he did. So we do need and maybe when we put that legislation together, which we passed in the House last Congress, maybe we need to go back and do some of that again U we can look at what you just described Oh, there should be further stipulations if it looks like this is going on. In fact, Alito used that term in his dissent. He talked about earth tourists. that was one of the things he cited. So maybe we do need to look at that as well. But I do know we need to tighten up the asylum laws, need to fix the what's called the ForS decision. We need to make sure there can't be no catch and relief. Those things we need to get into law so that we don't have ten million people coming across the border like we all like like what happened with with President Biden Now I know you are doing a hearing, I believe right after you're done with us here on air up on Capitol Hill with Angel moms. and this obviously goes very much to the issue of illegal immigration and laaw enforcement, what's going on with this?ell everybody what's happening. Sanctuary jurisdictions is the dumbest policy I've ever heard. Understand what they did. systemystematic plan of the left. They let in ten million people under Joe Biden. Then they create jurisdictions where it makes it difficult to remove those individuals, even when they commit another crime. because remember, sanctuary jurisdiction is simply politicians telling local law enforcement, you can't work with federal law enforcement when you go when it comes to enforcing federal law. And then of course, the third step was Democrats try not to pay IC. They try to abolish I. So this is their systematic plan And what happens is real consequences for families like Ms Gorman who was the student at Lyola who was killed by an illegal migrant who had committed a crime and who was let out because they wanted to be soft on people and take take into effect their deportation status when they decide whether to charge people with crimes or what kind of a sentence or plea agreement they might get. This guy kills Ms Gorman and her mother is testifying today at two o'clock. So it's all part of us. We've passed legislation already out of our committee to address the sanctuary jurisdiction problem, which, again, is part of this systematic plan of the left. Oh, by the way, a third of the country, we've talked about this I think before, Bck, but a third of the country lives in a jurisdiction that is a sanctary sanctuary jurisdiction because it's all the big blue cities and big blue states It's ridiculous that a third of the country, their political class tells the local law enforcement don't work with federal law enforcement. And the consequences are what happened to to Sheridan Gorman whose mom, Jessica is going to be testifying at two o'clock today in our hearing Now legislation is a good idea. it will also run up against the realities of A Democrat. filibuster or threat thereof in the Senate side, right? So there are limitations. This is good for the conversation. This is good to show people what sides of the issue Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill stand I would ask, you know, you know President Trump very well and you are quite aware of what's going on with the executive branch, which has critical functions that are still underway here, critical missions that are underway to enforce the laws when it comes to immigration Senator Mark Wayne Mullin, your former well, you know, Senate side, but congressional colleague He he was on TV over the weekend and said something about well, there's all these Haitians who are no longer covered by TPS, but they can apply for other things and see how that goes. People did not like that Let me just ask you, are you hearing and you would know because you talk to them. Is the executive branch dialed in and ready to go with the kinds of enforcement operations that have been promised from the very beginning of the Trump presidency, i. e, are there major deportation operations that are coming Yeah. and it's been over a, you know, a million some that have been deported in President Trump's here year and a half in office And of course, we've got the ruling on temporary prrotected status and in simple term, temporary means temporary. And I think it was Someone who works at DHS was on doing an interview, and their statement was to folks is, look, you don't have to go back to your home country. you just can't stay here. that's pretty direct saying that that people are going to have to leave Are there other programs that can apply? I don't know exactly what those would be But maybe they can claim something, but it seems to me then you're going to have to touch back and reapply in some kind of asylum or whatever you want to do U Yeah, I think that this this administration has done what they've said they were going to do in enforcing the law and going after people who are here illegally, particularly ones who've commit a crime 's why this again, I come back to this sanctuary jurisdiction, why this is such a stupid policy and yet it's being embraced by the left and and it's currently in effect in about a third of the country. Well, is there a budgetary mechanism that, you know, that's where obviously the majority has much more leeway. And we've heard about a possible withdrawal of funding for for example, there's actually a lot of federal law enforcement dollars that go into a lot of these sanctuaries really all of them, the major jurisdictions And the federal government said, look, if you're not going to be helpful, we could pull back that funding. I mean, what are the other than the narrative, the discussion, the showing the American people what's going on. I know you're doing this hearing coming up What are the levers that can actually be pulled so that sanctuary jurisdictions, if they're not going to change, at least feel the heat A good question. One is the power of the Purse, which is the founder's vision that is being the primary power that the legislate branch would have that element is in our bill that we've passed out of our committee on sanctuary jurisdiction. The other element is you say to law enforcement, you can't be if local law enforcement, which the vast majority do If they want to work with a federal law enforcement to enforce the law, and again, most of them do. then we give them immunity from being being harassed and targeted by their by their local political jurisdiction. And then third, we say, and this is the most powerful part, I think, in the legislation, we say, o, to families like Ms. Gorman's mother who's going to be testying later today We say you have a cause of action to go against city against the political entity that allowed this to happen who said it was okay to release bad guys, not work with ice and then they commit some crime and harm your family. You have a cause of action, private right of action to go after them. So there's three key elements in the legislation, the money protecting of the law enforcement who want to work with federal law enforcement and the private right of action for families who've been harmed. Now is that so that private right of action That would be a statutory change. Where does that stand right now? Yes. Yeah would be a statutory change. It's in the legislation we' passed from the committee We think this is going to be on the house floor. We've been pushing for it. We want to get it on the house floor and pass it But we're making sure we get all the votes because I don't think we're going to get any help from the Democrats. A. The Democrats have embraced this crazy concept. Is there anything else on the immigration front that you would like to see Congress take up, I mean, putting aside for a moment the roadblock of the Senate without running rough shhot over the filibuster, getting rid of it, whatever Is there anything else that you think on this immigration issue deserves more attention at this stage? because I mean, I'm tell you something, a lot of people, Congressmen I feel a little dejected right now. you gott to be kidding me Anchor babies and birth tourism is enshrined in the Constitution, according to a small majority in this court. That's a rough one No, understand The main thing we want is this bill on sanctuary cities, sanctuary jurisdictions, we think that is the most important thing to pass But as I said before, I do think it makes sense to codify put into law things that Joe Biden was was to prevent the next Joe Biden from doing the things she did like the catch and release. Now, we don't have that happening under President Trump because he actually he's actually secured the bard like he said. But it'd be nice to put things into law which make it more difficult for another Democrat if you know you know, if it happens, we hope it doesn't. But if a Democrat gets back in the White House some point, making it tough for them to do what Biden did? Can I ask you think that we can do thatap? we're talking to Congressan Jim Jordan. I know you got to go to a hearing in a second, just one last one for you. I'm hearing from some of my people that there's concern. in the for the upcoming election for Republicans in your home state of Ohio, particularly on the I'm really just talking about on the Senate and gubernatorial side in those races Is that stuff overblown? Can you just give us a little insight into We got good candidates. B Bake I think is great. We endorsse him early. likeike him, I think he's going to do a great job for our state and the same with Senator Houstad But it's Ohio, you know,'s and before President Trump come along, we were the Bellweather state. Now President Trump has made us a Trump Republican state But I do think the early polling shows that these races are real races But I think we're going to win. We just I think it's going to require President Trump coming to our state, which I'm sure he will do and you know, help and help him with turnout with Trump voters, Trump Republicans coming out to make sure they vote for Senator Eouston and for Vivek as our next governor. But I think we can win. and there's also a picku opportunity. I think we had a good chance to beat Marcy Capture in that Northwest Ohio Toledo area congressional seat I think we had a good chance there with our candidate, Derek Marin. So we're looking at all that And we like we needed a little shot of optimism here at the end. 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Criminal injustice, though, a great book. you get it. But before we into that, can I get your take? becauseuse you follow all legal stuff, you follow immigration stuff. So the I feel like I'm just going to guess. you probably think that a man is a man as a woman is a woman and you're probably on board for for that easasy p. You do not think Macho Man and Randy Savage should be able to like stiff roles on the on the great South hockey Isn't that amazing. good. That's so timeless too because They did it to be like, come on, we all know that's crazy. rightight now they're like, No. now there's Yeah ye Yeah, no this is there That's real two hundred and forty pound guys with long hair who want to be like the female weightlifting champion and you know, Its like I'm not here to talk about my transition. That's right. That's right. So anyway But on the ruling today, birthright citizenship. I mean, what just giving your take and And also I want to you have a really interesting story a little bit on your f legal legal immigrs an interesting story in your background. But what do you think about Got is coming down today saying, you know, birth birth tourism, for example. So listen Yeah question. Yeah, look, I mean, I'm more with the dissenters in this case. I think the constitutional question, though hard one, I do think plays out in the direction that say Thomas and Alito and Gorsuch would have taken it. I was surprised to see the Chief Jice in the majority in that case m but look, it's a it's a somewhat defensible position. I think you know, Kavanaugh really had kind of the best of it you know, where he had the right, I think constitutional interpretation, but did take issue with the fact that this was done through executive order. I think it's saying it's up to Congress is if I think not to speak for you, but I feel like Okay, that's I can see that Yeah and that's real. Just saying that this is what the this is what the founders intended, which is really what the majority under Roberts. I'm looking at this like, you guys have got to be kidding me. Yeah, look, I mean, I think it's it's a much harder argument to make. I think there's some real interesting sort of idiosyncrasies in terms of like, you know, what the the sort of founding not really founding are, right? because these are recconstruction amendments. But you know, what what the the drafterters had in mind at that time. I don't think that it was as broad as they say it is. I think you know this idea that simply just being subject to the laws of the United States is enough It's probably not right, but look, here's an opportunity for Congress to be serious, right? I mean, if this is a major national issue, well, there's only one course of action now, so at least it clarifies the scope of that debate and the only move forward is something that's practically impossible, which is a constitutional amendment which you're not going to get. So the audience may have figured out because your last name is Mang Guual, that you were not of the Mayflower, Mangguual. That's right. N not of the Mayflower, Mu. So you came here or your parents rather are immrants to the countryother I' sorry dads Perto Rico. I'm sorry my' immigrant to the country. Your dad, Puerto Rico is US. U.S. citizens. That is R. We know that. U.S. citizens But tell this it is really interesting about the DR. tellell about your dad. that was fast My mom. I'morry your mom's side mom. Sos My mom is a Dominican immigrant. came to this country in the sixties legally. My grandfather came first. So it was one of those sort of traditional immigrant stories where, you know, he leaves his home country to set out for more opportunity here in the United States and then you know saves up enough to eventually send for the rest of his family, his wife and his kids But the way that he was able to get his visa to come here in the first place legally was that he was helping out the U. S. Marines when they landed in the Dominican Republic in the nineteen sixties in the wake of the overthrow of the Dominican dictator, Rafaed Drujillo. who was you assassinated in I think nineteen sixty one and that threw the country into a state of tumult. So there were all these sort of competing factions within the military. And my grandfather, because he spoke English and had, you know admired America, you know, kind of played a couple of interesting roles in his community. One was sort of, you know giving the rest of the neighborhood the news that was coming from the states, so they had this radio where they could listen to US based commentary about what was going on and he could give an accurate take on that, But he could also help feed intelligence to the Marines. And that was how he was able to eventually get to this country, which he is a citizen of and loves deeply I was very raised very patriotically. My mother became a citizen at the very first opportunity and always grew up in a house with an American flag. And you know it's It's it's interesting. I mean, you know, the Dominican nationality was actually in the news recently here in New York City. We had a congressional race, one of the three big DSA sweeps in the primaries and Socialists just every clear. Socialists. Socialists. So you had Dady Alisa Avila Chevalier, who ran for the seat in New York thirteen against the incumbent who is the head of the Hispanic Caucus, Adriana Espiat, and she beat him. in a district that is heavily constituted by Dominican immigrants and Dominican descendants. What's interesting though, is that she won that race while losing the Dominican vote She won in the places Around Columbia University, around Barn like grad students and I believe black voters too actually went for her over Espay Esp Espayat. Yeah who And like both her and Espayat share a Dominican origin, right? Her parents are Dominican. she born in Florida. Espayata is a Dominican immigrant actually came to this country, I think illegally, you know, he was undocumented for a time Yeah but sort of rose to the ranks traditional American story. What was interesting is that her sort of socialist Um you know, kind of leanings came into her old commentaries about the Dominican Republic itself, where she had actually said that Dominican nationalism was toxic, that it was anti Haitian, that it was anti bllack. and she had made references to the Dominican flag as like this sign of violence, which actually put her on bad footing with the Dominican community who had rejected her pretty soundly. In fact, the morning of the primary, she ended up walking off of an interview on the biggest Spanish speaking radio station in New York City because they pressed her about what she said about the Dominican flag and she refused to apolog. One thing that I have observed many times, but is always a complete There's a befuddlement and a shock that particularly white leftists have in this country when they find out that non white people in other places around the world have their own beeepfs and bigotries and problems with each other and that like even in the Indian subcontinent, there's racism among Indians about skin color. I mean, it's, you know, it's far more complicated than just, you know, if Uh you know, if you look like Mitt Romney, you can be racist and nobody else can be racist, which is essentially what the what the in the Asian world, especially Oh my yeah One thing that I will tell you, I thought, sorry, I'm getting way offfile. We're going to talk crime. His book is criminal in justustice.ust go bu copies of. He's brillant guy.'s why I'm here in studio. But when I was in Taiwan this past September, there's the clear, I mean, there is a for advertisements. Yeah. They make they make the women whiter than white. I mean, there's a there's they actually change people's skin color as part of which it's a weird you see it. you're like, what is that? But anyway, Yeah, whole other c othertherw, I love Tawan. great place but that was a little off putting. But so tell me Criminal in justice. Okay. So we you're somebody that I go to when I'm like, hey, what's really going on with the crime scenario in this city or that city, What policies are working? what's not working? I mean, is the top line here basically the entire Democrat BLM leftist movement has just been wrong about everything, made everything worse for everybody and particularly made minorities suffer more What is what here? Yes, yes and yes. I mean, you know, the BLM movement has been one of the most toxic and most dangerous movements for Black America in the United States over the last several years. I mean, really starting in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, when that movement really kind of took off. What did they drive? They drove policies like decarceration, deolicing, bail reforms, you know raised the age reforms, which kind of raised the the age at which people can be held criminally responsible. so you, can't prosecute sixteen and seventeen year olds in New Yorkity anymore esssentially, right? You have to, you run them through family court and that means that they almost always get out. So you have all of these things that they did that essentially all went in one direction which is they raise the transaction costs of enforcing the law and they lower the transaction cost of breaking the law. U when that happens Things go bad. You get more crime What I think is interesting about the moment that we're in right now is that everyone's making all of this hay about the fact that crime is going down, that homicides are going to reach their near low for however for many years What's interesting is that for the last couple of years, especially, we have walked away from all of the reformist impulses that the BLM movement pushed. So we're seeing police around the country reassert themselves. We are seeing the incarceration rate go up. The prison population is going up for the first time in over a decade for the last two years. So you I think we learned some lessons from that really toxic experiment, but The one thing that I think don't think people appreciate enough is that the people who paid the highest price for the excesses of BLM were Black Americans who saw the I think they bore almost ninety five percent of the homicide spike in twenty twenty and twenty one Yeah, I think that that was actually part of the Rudy Giuliani, New York City miracle being so far reaching and so widely appreciated was that people did see based on the data There were thousands over the course of his tenure as mayor, you know, entire if you add it up, thousandousands of Overwhelmingly Back and some Latino New York City residents who are alive walking around and enjoying themselves day to day, who would not have been there were it not for the change in crime trajectory that affected those communities so dramatically. one hundred percent. There's a study that I cite in the book. Patrick Sharkey was one of the authors and I couldn't disagree with that guy more on policy by the way But it's an interesting study. What they did was they looked at the homicide decline between nineteen ninety and twenty fourteen And they looked at the effect of that decline on life expectancy by different racial groups That decline added about zero point one four years of life expectancy to the average white man's life It added a full year. of life expectancy to the average black man's life. And the reason that I brought that up in the book is it poses a very simple question, which is if the BLM movement is right and the criminal justice system is racist and policing is racist and aggressive prosecution is racist and high incarceration rates are racist. All of the things that contributed to that decline, by the way Why on earth would the system that's allegedly racist toward black men in particular so disproportionately almost exclusively benefit that same group? when it achieves its stated lens. Ask any police chief in the country. What are you going after? I want to control crime. Ask any law enorderer pro Wh are the evil racist saving so many black lives by actually policing communities. Yeah. Every single time a cop gets out of a car and chases a bad guy down a dark alley who might or may not have a gun, they're subordinating their own safety to homeope the communities that they serve. It's not rich white communities that have a problem with these mask gunmen. They are putting their lives on the line for precisely the communities that we're all supposed to believe that they hate. So I mean, I could ask you questions for hours. I kind of do. I text him randomly. He's one of these people I'm like explain this explain. He's like, I'm trying to sleep with with my family. I'm like, tellell me what's going on with crime in Philadelphia these days. And I appreciate that you're very quick on the draw with giving me your best analysis on some of the stuff. But so Ive got one of those moments though. You look at El Salvador.. incredible. I mean, incredible miraculous little turn around it How is it that any criminologist, anyone who operates in your world of like, let's look at the facts and figures and come up with what actually works What is their response to Hey, if you actually justck lock up the bad people, everyone is safer. Yeah, no, they'll ignore it. They'll say, well, they'll either ignore it or they'll lean into you the kind of due process concerns. Well, you know, we can't just sweep seventy thousand people up in one fell swoop and lock them up. We have to give them all fair trials and blah, blah blah. And you wouldn't want to live in that kind of country with that kind of power. And look, I get it, right? Like there are legitimate due process concerns, right? That wouldn't work in the United States with the system that we have But the key insight from El Salvador is that incarceration works, man works There's a tweet that that RNC reesearch account put out that I responded to yesterday. It was like a clip of Zoram Mam Dani back before he was a mayoral candidate talking about prisons and the need to abolish them. And he said, Well, what purpose do they serve? And so I just quoted the tweet and said very simply, it's a very easy question to answer. They serve the purpose of incapacitation Somebody who is locked up in a prison cell cannot harm anybody in the communities that they would otherwise spend their time in. That's the key. That's what prison does effectively. Now there are secondary and tertiary you know purposes that prison serves like deterrence and you know punishment and even rehabilitation, which I think is mostly a pipe dream because we have no idea how to do it, let alone how to do it at scale The key is it' to take people who are in the throes of a criminal career and take them off the street to physically incapacitate them. When you look at homicide or any serious crime category in this country, what do you see over and over and over again, whether it's Ana Zrzka or whatever kind of case makes the new, It's the guy had fifteen priors. The guy had twenty priors. the guy was out on parole, the guy was out on probation And so regular joes in public, they ask themselves the same question, which is what the hell is this person doing out on the street Why? Why are they there? And the answer too often is that we just didn't have the stomach to do what was necessary. They have the requisite criminal history, they have the convictions. We just chose not to put them in prison for a really long time. And if you do that, you end up protecting a lot of people. And what El Salvador illustrates is that it works And we know this. Yeah, I feel like we've run this experiment. The data is in and there people just like, noope, sorry. Yeah. Well it makes them feel good, right? I mean these people have convinced themselves that they are moral superiors, right? And they the truth is is they don't have to live with the consequences of course of crime going up, right? They don't live on the south or west side of Chicago. They don't live, you know in the southwestern district of Baltimore. They don'tve in Brownsville, Brooklyn They don't have to deal with the fallout, right? They would never send their kids to school in these neighborhoods. They only drive to these neighborhoods. by the way, any Democrat who wants to talk about criminal justice policy who is of means should explain. Where do you send your kid to school? 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Because it's not socialism, it's really communism They use the word social Democrat because it sounds so nice, but It's really communism, you talking. I think it's the biggest threat to our nation ere is, maybe since our founding That includes World War one, World War two, seeptember eleventh. It includes the Pearl Harbor attack I think this is the biggest threat T our nation people will smile when I say that. But the smart people and going say, you know he's probably right. It's basically introducing communism into the United States of America. There's not of wom things so dangerous never been something so dangerous as communism to the United States. You know, I pretty amazed at how often when I have this conversation, I do like to sit around and just talk about history and things like that with people I don't know in my personal life, I don't really spend a lot of time talking about politics. I do that so much here a little bit But I do like to just talk about history sometimes. I mean in social settings, you know, with people I don't know that well. U When I tell them that communism had the single greatest deathll far beyond in terms of death tooll, fascism in the twentieth century. people sort of push back on it in their heads I go, no, that can't That can't be, you know, what about the horrors of of when we say fascism, we really mean Naziism And in Germany in the World War II era, And of course that's absolutely terrible. veryery obviously horrific But you start looking at Stalin And now pot And then a whole bunch of other places that people don't often think well, Cuba certainly gets in the mix. Angola, I mean, there' all these different places. Vietnam that have been completely pooisoned by communism And how many lives have been ruined and destroyed? And the fact that in that environment, you could have people today who are certainly speaking with a communist twang, if not aligning with all of their policy proposals. There's something there's something about these so called Democrat socialists that You immediately start to say, hold on a second. What is so different about what they want from what not the results were in these other countries, but what in the early days They said they were going to do universal child care equal sharing of blessings for everybody. No one goes without. Everyone has what they need, right To each according to his need from each according to his ability, whatever, something like that And I do think that it's important for the president to be willing to just speak about this and address this. I hate when they play these games It's really it's just like a hide hide the the football game, you know of oh, it's not they're not socialists, they're democratic socialists. They're not communists, they're socialists. They're not, you know, they're not collectivists, they're progressives. they They like to try to hide in the jargon and the the pseudo scientific nature of the way that they talk about these things But ultimately They have a belief that you do not have individual rights The state is in place of God And their aims to make society better Whatever that may be choir as much power as they want And However many eggs they got to break to make that omelette, they're willing to do. That's really what it comes down to. This is why communism is more of a religion actually than a political belief system. It is it is both. I mean, it is a political belief system, but also a religion at the same time because it requires a faith It requires people to dispense with what they know of history and to forget the lessons of history intentionally press them to ignore them This time it will be different. The real stuff has never been tried We have seen So much of this And I think it's It's u It's very concerning, honestly that this is Rising. You might say, Buck, why do we care so much? There are other places. where this stuff, I mean, in this country There is a person who iss running in Colorado right now Oh who I believe called the nine eleven terror attacks inevitable. due to U. S. policy There was a piece yesterday, quote, after victories in New York City Democratic. Socialists are taking their fight against the Democratic establishment to Colorado. I think it's also interesting they They've created this term as this democratic socialist Uh Socialists There are plenty of places, you know, socialist states that claim to be Democratic that have elections So why why do they have to have this designation? They're trying to create really an artificial separation from this U So there are other places across the country O places across the country where this is now also having a moment having it's timee in the sun heading into a midterm election And I am reminded of this quote from Pat Buchanan, which I will share with you all now And there's a lot a lot of stuff. you go back to read Pat. I've done that. I've I've I've been a fan of the of the Buchanan writing for a long time he wrote this, wherever communism has triumph triumph. Churches have been gutted Priests massacred. and children indoctrinated into their communist lives The family has been subordinated to the state And the betrayal of friends has become a matter Duty Man that nails it. Totally true really hits on a lot of it as well That's why I know Rush loved the movie to Lives of others, So tr' such a good movie because it really gets to that core of the communist project, the collectivist authoritarian ideology is Cause is more important than everything It is more important than your love for your own children. is more important than your love for your parents or your spouse or It has to override everything because it will inherently fail and do terrible things along the way and you have to find the people that are engaged in it in the communism, if you will they need some way to justify what they are doing. The only way you can justify the atrocities that communism always falls into along the way is to create He ends justify the means and this means more than anything reality boy, I'm saying this now. I'm going to get texts about this. Congress revisits CIA MK Ultra program Oh boy I looked into MK Ultra for my book if we could do the stuff that people think The CIA could do Don't you think we'd do it a lot more Oh, I know people are going to get mad People are getting people can't decide if the CIA is like a bunch of worthless bureaucrats sitting around doing nothing or a team of evil geniuses who can create Manchurian candidates at will. U it's really a lot of it's honestly a lot of people punching into a clock who were like, yeah I'm going to write some emails and get out of here as soon as I can today. That's the reality of it. the most part for most of the people work there But back to the communism thing, The fact that Trump is speaking out it I think is a good thing there's also a I just want to get to this guide mention at the top shows as you know big the big deal today was birthright citizenship upheld by the court, which is I think madness, but it is what it is. This is where we are be slow dissolution of our Republic, it seems, continues at least as it pertains to sovereignty and immigration But we're going to keep fighting, and we'll figure it out We will figure it out, But there's this other the transgender case, that was the right ruling Although I do think The u I do think the reality here is It should be shocking to anyone that someone on the Supreme Court could sit there and say You know what there really should be men competing against women's sports, and that doesn't somehow break down the distinction between men and women's sports That is is troubling. So we had the right outcome But it also should not really put you at ease because they're not giving up on this. They're not, they're not going to walk away from this But here's the case today. National Republican Senatorial commommittee. This is the other one versus federal election committee. So the NRSC versus the FEC S three ruling. I think you can guess who the three are The court struck down longstanding federal limits under the Federal Election Campaign Act on the amount political parties can spend in coordination with their candidates for federal office These are known as coordinated party expenditure limits So parties had faced caps on spending when done in coordination with a candidate, these were being treated direct contributions to prevent circumvention of those contribution limits and reduce corruption risks This comes from the post Watergate reforms have been upheld by Supreme Court back in two thousand one So the court opin by Justice Kavanaugh held these limits violate the First Amendment Political spending is protected speech limits are not justified by anti corruption interests in light of evolving campaign finance precedents. So there you go. Totally ideological lines, by the way, the three communists on the court saying, no, we want to keep this we want to keep these restrictions in place. You'll know there's always this trend about the the left in America. They want M power than the right does because they will use it Because the notion that people can live freely and in liberty and make more and more of their own choices upsets the left You're not supposed to you're supposed to be part of the hive mind and you're supposed to go along with whatever they want That is what they would like to see They do not believe that there is a liberty interest that is more important than their state big S state project U Trump, by the way, on I was trying to find this before on trruth Social. He wrote The Supreme Court just took restrictions off political spending All caps. a big win for Republicans and more importantly the First Amendment. So he's very he's very happy about this And the Republicans are pleased about this because The Democrats Always want to be able to infringe on speech for their own political purposes. They see no problem with it. They can they can find they can live with the cognitive dissonance easily They can say, well, yeah, you know, this is free speech except what you're saying is so bad, it's not covered