The Formation of Eternal Values

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Drivers who save with Jerry could save over one thousand three hundred dollars a year Switch with confidence. Download the Jerry app or visit Jerry. ai slash Libbson today. J E R R Y. Ai slash LIB SYN The views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the views of Lipson or its affiliates Guest accounts or personal recollections shared from their own perspectives. References to specific individuals, organizations or groups are presented as commentary, opinion, and personal experience and should not be interpreted as definitive statement of fact. The podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only Welcome back to our show, Was I in a cult? I'm Liz Iakuzzi. And me, I'm Tyler Mesum. Mesum, Tyler. Thesa Mesum S a person. Oh yeah, go aheado ahead. Now you go ahead. No, no.ase you. Okay. He wrote us in and he said, you missed the opportunity. I've been waiting. Well, he did first compliment Tyler Threes and Meson being the best nickname And then when we did the In the magicult episode, he said, You missed. Liz, the whiz So good. So true. We did. We missed that. We totally toally missed it. Although I'd like to think that Tyler Thesomeisum isn't necessarily a nickname, as much as it is a title, Liz. As much as it is a lifestyle. An honor bestowed upon me. Enough of that, enough of that. Enough of that, enough of that. So welcome back. What are we got today? What do we What do we got? What do we got? We got move on We got an interesting Okay, so a while back for our, you know Tried and true, you know this. We did a three part episode on Tyler and my good pal are good pal. Hoit Richards. Hoit Richards Male supermodel. Movie star face And a jawline that can cut bread And also a man who found himself in a cultic group that would shape his life for Two decades. M. Foyt was recruited When he was just sixteen on the beaches of Nantucket. and his story is a perfect example about how Cults are not what you think. You don't expect your cult leader to take you to drink your face off at stududio fifty four, yet that is exactly what Frederick von Meers did. This is a fake name, of course Oh yes, it's more of an embellished name. His real name was Freddie Myers fromr what from Brook? Yeah Freddie Myas. Myas You know a kid down the street, Freddie Myas? A kid's trouble. But he recreated his image into Frederick von Meers. Yes. Freddy was this tortured soul, but he hid it beneath all this charismatic all knowing truth teller type He formed a group called Eetternal Values, which doesn't sound like a cult at all. Hope your values are eternal Don't ask me, I'm Th S Mesa. My values are based U But the crazier thing is Frederick von Myeyers's claim that he was what a walk in It basically an alien, a consciousness sent down in human form to Eternal Values was New Age, It was apocalyptic, spiritual alien, of course, and beauty obsessed. And eventually, he spread his mysticism through a public access cable show and radio program because I mean, how else would an alien beauty apocalypt guru get his message out to the humans. O than both publicly access TV at three in the morning I mean this was pre TikTok, by the way. So Hoyt's story is remarkable. I've often said it's probably the best cult story I've ever heard. And now it's out there for everyone to see. afterfter many, many years, he is the subject of a HBO documentary series Bring me the beauties, a model cult. and I am probably speaking to our engaged audience and I'm gonna assume that about eighty percent of you out have already watched it because that's the type of people that listen to the type of stuff. that we do here. I recently caught up with Hoit, post all of his new found presence, if you will, and we are going to share that conversation with you next week. But for our die hardards who really want to go deep I'm talking to you, Susan Listen to his story here, then watch the documentary or vice versa, because I know you've already seen it, Susan. Then you can email us if the faces and ideas you formed in your head match the reality. I do that with books. When you read a book and watch the adaptation It's so rare that the actual adaptation of what the casting is matches the characters I had in my head. I mean me, I'm primarily nonfiction. I've right in that perfect demographic that publishers love of like dad books, you know? So I don't read many books that are translated into I have read plenty many and most of them are I'm like, o, that's not what I thought. But maybe the closest one I would say is maybe probably hunger Games That was pretty pretty good. but I digress, we're not here to talk about that. But no, no, we're talking about this re release of a three part interview we did with Hot. Way back in what was it twenty twenty one or something absurd like that? Two or three year Whatever. So then next week we will have the brand new interview with Hoyt for you after his HBO series came out And what it is like for him to see his life become a documentary series. And not just a doc, any doc, but a hit. This is a hit. It spent weeks in HBOax's top ten It was on it was number two on their chart for a while. I don't know how long, but I saw it up there for a while very successful Cult dock Which considering the content feels a bit strange to celebrate, but we are very happy for Hite. We have been following along with this journey since he was on our podcast since we met him. It hadn't started when we first interviewed him And he's a wonderful man. he deserves honestly all the success that this documentary might add. We're very proud of you Hooyt. Very proud. We love you Hot. So whether you'rearing Hoyt' story here for the first time or you've watched Bring M me the Beauties or now Kee deeep in an internal values rabbit hole. Wlcome. Welcome This rabbit hole, as I said, very defined cheekbones and chiseled abs Like mine. Here are three parts on Hoyt's incredible journey into and out of this thing, which is one of the best escape stories probably we've had And next week we'll share our updated conversation we had with the lovely. The easy on the eyes. The beautiful soul that is Ht Richards So at the crrackadon I had called the cab and had it meet me at like four AM and I had as I'm escaping literally scavenging it, trying to keep minimums out. and then I I get to the precipice and I had to know go down the mountain. It's about a mile and a half down the road to get to the place where the cab's gonna to meet me. But it's a decent drop and it's dark as hell And then I just started to run You know it's like when you're running, think someone's may know you start hearing things, you're like someomeone com up. But I bolted It's like a prison break. Holy mother, cult La, we're back. Tyler, we're back. Can you even believe it? I actually cannot, Liz. It has been a solid year. You guys, we have missed you. It has been a journey to get here, but we did it. Season two of Was I in a Cult? Yes, we took a year off. hardardly anything to pat ourselves on the back over, Liz, but we are back Now, before we get into the show, we want to thank you our fans for your undying support. It's truly because of you that this show will go on No. That's quite enough of that, Liz. Do you even know the song I'm referencing? I believe it's some sort of fluffy song that is way ahead of my generation. Celine Don, Tyler, getet your shit together. Celine on Yes, I hear that in elevators Why don't you tell people who haven't listened to our show what we're all about? What is this show, Tyler? Sure thing, well, the title obviously is pretty self explanatory. It is Was I in a cult. But this features firsthand stories of individuals who were in and subsequently left cults The tone of this show is maybe atypical for a cult show because we do add levity and we do that with the full support of our guests. Absolutely because let's be honest, if you know cults, sometimes they can be flat out absurd. Like a UFO doomsday cult, perhaps? Perhaps. So Let's This thing off right Welcome again to Wasa and Occult. I'm your host, Liz Aacuzi. And I'm Lizz's Ball boy, Tyler Meesum. And now for today's guest, our dear friend and inspirational human, mister Hoyt Richard. We had Hoyt in the studio where all three of us sat down and chatted. And he took us on a journey. From being a world class model in the eighties to his life spent In a doomsday UFO cult. Van Halen, Aliens, Fabio. Studio fifty four, Cindy Crawford, Daring Escapes. This story has it all. Like we often say on this show, you can't make this shit up. And that should be our new tagline. Merch coming soon. And Hoyt Story is so fantastic that we couldn't fit it into one episode. so folks, this is a three partarter. You b me Hey everyone, this is Tyler. look. We're friends, right? I mean, I consider you a friend and you know, did I did buy you lunch that one time. So and since I'm obviously your best friend, we can talk about things. and well, We should talk about your wardrobe. L it needs an upgrade. and I'm not saying you don't look great because you do. but You know, you could look a little bit better also I know, I'm by no means the sartorial expert. My choices are essentially shorts and a t shirt and occasionally I'll wear something with a button. but I think you're classier than I am, and you deserve classier clothes So what I would say is elevate your wardrobe with quQints. Quince. I know, I know I talk about him a lot Whenever we hang out, but that's ' I likeem. and I like you. and I think it's a good fit. Speaking of good fit, I mean, they're close fit. They fit. they're nice. There' sweaters, there's t shirts, there's skirts if you're into that underwear, honestly They have everything and everything is in our price range G on Get on Qs. Trust me, I was the best man at your wedding. I wouldn't lead you astray. so Elevate your summer wardrobe. Get on quintinces d. com slash ct. You get free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty five day returns. Available in Canada too. I know you're not in Canada, but you know, people who are QuNC d. com slash colt for free shipping. three hundred and sixty five day returns, quQintince d. com slash colt. Now Now about that lunch you owe me, Bestie I can't believe you're here. I know. I still think your story is one of the best cult stories I've ever heard. Well, I'll never be boring at cocktail bories. I know that. you know that too. You can always drop the cult bomb at any moment. Personally, the only reason my story has gotten the attention it's gotten thus far, it's just because my willingness and almost compulsion to tell it Well, that and he's a supermodel But sure Hite, we can call it your willingness.. He actually is a supermodel and he actually is very handsome. Ridiculously good looking. And he can turn laugh Sadly, this is a podcast, so you can't see how super good looking this super model is. Well, then, Hoite, let's just hope your story is strong enough to stand on its own, then withithout the eye candy the group that I was in And now I'm twenty years out from, you know, escaping. for you to have to go back that initial moment when you either encountered the group or the cult leader and start reevaluating your life with that new lens of Oh my God, I think I was being influenced and this was a cult That is a terrifying scenario Even though that is clearly the route to heal, most people will avoid it Now Hoyd is a special guest because he is a trailblazer in cultic abuse awareness Since he's been out, not only has he been telling his story, but he has dedicated a large portion of his life to giving back and helping others in their healing journey. Oh, so he's good looking and a good person Save some for the rest of us, Hoit. When I think back on how it all began for me, a lot of it was because you could say that I was dealt a pretty winning hand in life. I was sixteen. I was good at school. I was good at making friends. I was good at sports and You're really unattractive. Well, I just inherited the jeans. I wear the costume. My parents did all the work. You know, I I just wear the costume. There's that damn humility, Tyler. You are killing me, Hite. Well and my point in raising that was by being dealt a winning hand from that perspective, I actually held a lot of insecurity around it because certain things seem to come easier for me than the average person. So within that insecurity was this wonderment of like, well what am I supposed to do with this, so to speak I don't have any sort of thing that I was really reaching for. I mean, I was about like scoring touchdowns, drinking beer and chasing girls. I mean, that was my life at that point, right? in a way, it was a very kind of incubated, wonderful life For frame of reference, this was about nineteen seventy eight So I met Freddy on the beach on Nantucka where my family would summer. Nantuck' a very special Nostalgic place for us and certainly not the place I thought I was going to meet a cult leadater There once was a cult leader from Nantucket whose ego was as big as a bucket. Liz is of course referring to the famous Nantucket Limerick, which if you don't know. Oh gosh, no, no, no, no. Do not tell me you know some random knowledge on the origination of the Limerick, Tyler. As a matter of fact, Liz, the non ribled version of the Nantucket Diddy dates back to nineteen oh two when it was first published in the Princeton Tiger. Tyler, Tyler, we're gonna lose listeners on our first episode Back Man. Written by Professor Dayton Vorhes. Sorry, guys, there's no stopping him There once was a man from Nantucket. who kept all his cash in a bucket But his daughter named Nan ran away with a man And as for the bucket, Nantucket. It's a good one, but there are more Nantucket limers out there, which I am not going to repeat on air. because they're dirty and about big dicks So at sixteen in Nantucket, I was painting houses for the summer job and generally the The protocol was we would only paint the side of the house that the sun was shining so we could sun tam while we were doing it. And then we would take a break at lunch and go to the beach and see you all our crew of friends and the girls. And then this one day when I'm at the beach, this tall slender, you know gentleman comes and puts this towel down Next to me, I'd say he's probably in his mid thirties at that point So he was brown haired light eyes about six foot tall, slender. Yeah kind of like a yoga type body. and yeah, these piercing kind of blue eyes. And they had actually told me about this guy, Freddy, who was on the island. and he was kind of presented as someone who was a flashback into the sixties and the kind of far out things in astrology and mysticism and that sort of thing. Oh, so perhaps he's the man from Nantucket whose dick was so big he could Frederick von Meers is how I met him. His real name was Freddy Myes from Brooklyn But when I met Frederick I now call Freddy just because I know he would hate that And he put this towel on next of mind and just immediately starts engaging me in the conversation. And I appreciated the fact that he didn't talk down to me. And looking back on it now, he would preface certain things by saying, well, I can tell you're very smart. so you understand this. And you don't realize how subtle a manipulation that is. it makes you not question anything because someone's already given you a compliment on how smart you are. You can't go, well, wait, I don't know have any idea what you're talking about Great, now I'm gonna question every compliment I've ever received. You have beautiful eyes, Tyler. Lar and he started going into this kind of philosophy and pitchy head about for every reaction, there would be an equal and opposite reaction, and there would be an accountability to everything that you did in your life And the idea of reincarnation was really appealing to me. And at sixteen, these are not ideas or concepts I would really talk to my peers about So I'm from a suburban family from outside of Philadelphia I'm one of six children. Nber four. they say the middle children always have a bit of a challenge So is that really a thing? Middle child syndrome? I personally wouldn't know I'm the oldest. I just knew how to boss my siblings around.. So okay. so in my research, I did find that middle child syndrome is the belief that middle children are excluded, ignored, or even outright neglected And they're often left with the feeling of being overshadowed coming to believe that their parents don't care about them And as adults, this can often leave middle children with an inferiority complex and a constant need to grab attention from those around them. Is this still information you gleaned from your research, Tyler? I have three older siblings And I have three younger siblings It doesn't get much more middle than that. I thinkin when you're in a family of six, you're always kind of fighting for your voice to be heard and And, you know, that was part of it My father was an engineer. we were kind of on that cusp of Being comfortable but never, never feeling wealthy My mother is an extraordinary woman, kindhearted, very, very giving, but also very strict. So she had a very strong idea for what all her kids were going to be I quickly learned that if I wanted to get the love that I wanted from my mother, I had to try to become what she said did she expected me to be. And it kind of built this people pleasing personality that I developed That was definitely a prerequisite to kind of set me up for this type of experience that I had coming down the road And so that was Ht, handsome, athletic, smart, and social. A middle child with a developing urge to please. And when he met Freddy, you mean Frederick von Mus. He went on this kind of hour and a half, maybe two hours of dissertation. It was a very non plus experience other than, oh, I finally had a chance to meet this guy, Freddy, who's on the island And then because the island's so small, he didn't even drive He had a bicycle, I would just see him from time to time. and He was kind of known for throwing parties on the island So he invited me and he even asked like, what kind of beer do you like? And I'm just thinking, opportunity for free beer. This is awesome I don't blame him. I mean, I'm sure I ended up in a lot of precarious situations in my youth in the name of free beer. Little reminder, nothing is ever truly free And so ended up at one of his parties and it was a very eclectic group anywhere from sixteen year olds like myself all the way up to like seventy, eighty year olds, you know people from New York. And so it was an interesting crowd, but I was just there for the beer. and then he would kind of whip out his ephemerus. It' wass kind of his party trick. And no, that's not an innuendo, ladies and gentlemen. Not everything is a sexual innuendo, Liz. An ephemeris is a table. It's a chart of sorts. It's used in astronomy and celestial navigation. Which is also not an innuendo, unfortunately.h Liz. No, it is not. The same chart is used in astrology to read your horoscope Now, Freddie had done these readings for a number of people, including Hooyt's friends. Freddie hadn't yet offered it up to Hot And I remember feeling a bit jilted that I he hadn't done the And when he finally did do it, it was kind of a big deal. And that was a pattern that that I watched him implement a few times of doing something that seemed to be fun and then withholding it from you until the time that he thought it was most important to kind of give you that opportunity to have that experience Freddy would often charge people a meager fee to read their horoscope, but how he survived was something of a mystery I don't know how Freddie was making money. He was sustaining himself for years and years, but I have no idea how he's doing it. The way Freddy operated, he would stay at this house on India Street, which is a nice street just off the center of town. so it's a nice area And he would invite all these friends and make them pay. and through what they paid him, he was able to stay there for free But he ran it like a ship where he would have a party almost every night, but then they would have to be up early, clean the whole place up, you, restock the bar, get ready for the next night. And he actually had cards printed up, which would have the address of the place on Industry, and he would instruct his friends Find the beauties and only the beauties and invite them back, even if they have a friend who's not just tell them only them Naturally, Hoyt made the cut. And for the next three years, Hoyt would go back to Nantucket for the summer. And Freddiey was there It was basically a good time. Freddie threw a great party and that was kind of it. But then Hoyt graduated high school and was heading off to college Friday with someone associated with the summer Once he found out that I was going to Princeton, which was in New Jersey, he said, Ohh, you should come to New York. You know, comeome with me and my friends. We go to studio fifty four and you have a great time. And so I'm eighteen at that point or nineteen. And at this point, my perception is I'm working him Because here's this guy who's clearly a social light and all these sort of things, but I can use this to kind of take my friends when we go up and go to stududio fifty four. Like who hasn't heard of studio fifty four For those who don't know, the famous Studio fifty four was a nightclub that opened in the late seventies in Midtown Manhattan and was known for their very exclusive VIP guest list, many and A lister party bear. It was the best of baudody New York in the early eighties. And where else could Chher go to rip a line off Andy Warhol's Nantucket The bottom line is this. Hoyt is nineteen and he had prime access to perhaps the hottest club There isn't a listener here that wouldn't have jumped at that opportunity So We would go T Studio fifty four. And there would be the massive crowd outside, just like you' seen in the movies trying to get to the door. But because he knew the doorman and he kind of wave and there would be sometimes ten twenty people in our posse, and we would just go right in. And my first experience going in studio fifty four was like Alice in Winnderland walking into looking glass. Like this girl was greeting us wearing nothing but like a Scotch tape bikini. I mean, you walk into this realm and it's like it has a heartbeat. I mean, I can't even describe the way the bass would play and it was very theatrical. And literally as the night would go on, you would see people fucking on the dance floor, there were drugs around. eventually when I got to go there many more times, I got invited down to the VIP section, which is like this underground kind of garage. And ye there were like all the celebrities with like a pile of cocaine on a table. Why is Mneelly giving some guy a BJ? And you know just like it was surreal I met Truman Capote and Andy Warhol and I went to dinner with An Warhol probably half a dozen times. So it was this whole opening into a world that I never imagined. And every good party has an after party. But this one was maybe not what you'd expect. What ended up happening is we would usually add to our posse and then at the end of the night like six in the morning We go back to the apartment and we'd have T and talk about spiritual ideas. And we talked to like literally the light would come up and It was strange, but I was like, where else am I going to have that experience? So that was my initial being drawn into his life in New York and making trips when I could Right now I don't I don't see a ct. I just see a groovy man. whoo's an astrology reader and throws some cool parties. I think one of the things that's interesting about my story is it's very much like getting in on the ground floor of a startup. Like I watched it become a cult. It was not a cult when I first met him, but I watched it all go down So This was the stage where he was just a narcissist with an entourage You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind Well, here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with progressives save over nine hundred dollars on average Pop over to progressive d. com, answer some questions, and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by In fact, ninety nine percent of their auto customers earn at least one discount. 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That's ZOC DOC . com slash in ac cult Zockdoc. com slash in ac cult Hey listeners, we did have a long hiatus, about a year to be exact. and we just want to let you know that if you did email us to share your cold story, we want to assure you that every single one of those emails is read by us. If we haven't replied to you yet, it doesn't mean we won't or that we don't want you on the show So Please keep reaching out guys. So why haven't you replied, Liz? Have you been busy, Pray tell? Something to share? I had a baby, Tyler. Congratulations, Liz. I Had a child. Thankk you. I appreciate it. How's he doing? He's so sweet. He's the best thing in the whole entire world And I'm so tired the receipt because when he gets little older you may want to return him. So congratulations and good luck. Congratulations and good luck. What have you been up to in our hiatus, Tyler? I've been making movies. I have a kick ass documentary, a music based documentary series that comes out in June. Not gonna plug it, Tyler. Nope, Not going gonna to plug it again. It's really good guys. You should go watch it. Yeah, but they don't know what the title is, Liz. How are they you know what, forget Let's just get back to our humble hero, Mr. White Richards He graduated high school with honors. Of course he did. Then went off to Princeton. No, Princeton, of course, Hoyt went to Princeton. W on the football team. You know, Kendall doesn't hold a candle to Hooyt. But unlike plastic figurines, Hoyt was a real person And real people go through real shit sometimes. When I got to Princeton, I played football. And then by junior year, I started really having the problems with my shoulders I went to see the doctor and New York and he said, Well, I can operate, but I can't guarantee you full mobility. I was going to have maybe not be able to plane anymore. That's when I kind of went through an identity crisis In swooped Freddy, happy to help And he said, Well we should come up to New York I go to Nantucka this somewhere, but you can use my apartment And The idea of spending a summer in New York was exciting And that did not go over with my family at all, you know, because I was always up with them in the summer. And that was where the rift started time I was just seeing it as an opportunity I had a bicycle because I couldn't afford subways. I mean, I had no money Freddiey was giving him a free apartment. There's that quote free word again. So Hoyt moves in And it was beautiful. I mean, it was mirrored in all these lacquered walls and crazy colors, newew age music playing. I mean, coming out of crazy New York and walking through that door, it really felt like you had been transported to another realm place was spotless and one of the prerequisites to stay there is you had to clean constantly. I mean just he was almost anal about it You had to literally get the vacuum cleaner out every morning and do a wholele once over the whole place and didn't ask for rent. was a very kind of smart play on his side, you know, because it kind of built this indebtedness to him Hoyd's shoulder may have been messed up, but he didn't destroy that perfectly symmetrical face. And leave it to Friredrerick von Mr, who is always there to offer suggestions That was when Freddie basically said, I know the head of the Ford models men's division. I'll introduce you And that's kind of how it all kind of started Now M Ju Hoite was still in college, just finishing his sophomore year. Had you ever had interest in acting slash modeling at all? You know, no. I'd done a couple school plays, so I'd always liked acting, but I didn't take it seriously But I had had one experience, some catalog was shooting a catalog at Princeton They were by the practice field and they saw me running out and they said, Oh, we should bring let's have a football player in this picture. It's like a tailgate shot There was two male models there and I just thought they were such primaonna dicks. I was like, Jesus, who are these guys thinking they're God's gift to the world? like So that was my only experience thinking like I would never want to be one of those guys. But when faced with the life crisis of I can't play football anymore, you know, I'm like twenty years old and I'm like, well, I guess if I can't in the football field and I guess I'll just try to be a star. So he went to Ford modeling and surprise, surprise. They took me on and three weeks later I got introduced to Bruce Weber and Bruce Weber was the Star maker. Bruce Weber, is the American fashion photographer who rose to prominence with his advertising images for Calvin Klein. Liz, Do you remember the black and white photos of Marky Mark in his underwear? Can't forget that, Tyler Well, that's Bruce Weber He also shot a lot of images for Abercrombie and Fitch and GQ. Most of his work was in black and white, and much of it was sexual in nature. You just said sexual in nature. Also can't forget that. Bruce shot me in some, you know, some good jobs, and then I went back college for my junior year And that's when I started getting calls like, know can you go to Milan on Tuesday? I'm like, I got a test on Tuesday. I can't go to Milan. know, But it was this whole thing. And so when I went back the following summer, I started to work fairly consistently. And then again, I had come back for senior year. But that whole stage of Be available for a short time and then not being available, the fashion business loves stuff like that. know I seem harder to get and so they wanted you more. And so by the time I graduated college, I literally just had work stacked up for the next six months And so my entry into the business was incredibly privileged And I was always really uncomfortable about that because from my point of view, I didn't see that I brought anything that different to the table other than the fact that I was blonde and I could actually wear a suit. Was it sexual in nature, Tyler? Sure, It was the most sexual in nature suit you've ever seen And I was very professional. A, coming from my background, I was like, I'm going to show up on time. I'm going to be polite. I'm going to try to be, you know Funny, I'm gonna try I quickly assess that if they like you, they'll bring you back. The big first campaign was Jeoffrey Banks. Th then I started doing from that all the Italian campaigns for Sacei and Frey. Eventually I got to do Ralph Lauren and Donna Karearn. I mean I was very lucky because like I said, I not only entered with a lot of ease that other models could get to do, but then it just didn't stop. Hi, welcome back. I'm Veronica Webb and this is E's sixty Minute Look at the sexy sensational world of male models Hoyt Richards is the highest paid male model in the world. I in reality, there's nothing like Hooyt in the industry. mean his track record is perfection in this industry. Cutting edge, classic, trend, no matter what happens. Hot is here. in my eye, he's the king of male model. Indeed, if there is a reigning king of the fashion jungle, it's Hoyt Richards. While classic good looks are his bread and butter, it's his personality that helped him achieve supermodel status In this business, the more that you can market yourself three dimensionally, the better off you are because if you mark yourself in a two dimensional sense as the best looking one, one with the best body or whatever, youmedate to put yourself in a genre where you're going to be replaceable And you were you were coined You've been touted as the first male supermodel. Am I correct here? I think there's probably two or three that could fight for that title, but I won't fight for it, but yeah, that has been said. And what makes you go from model to super model? A cape? Well, I tell you, I mean, more than anything, it was if you think of like I said eras that you come into, like if you think of it like a class at college, my class that I entered into the business was the same time Cindy. Claudia, Naomi, Christie, all those girls entered at that thing. I met Christie Turnnleally at my first Ford Christmas party. And so I entered at that era where that term supermodels became coin Who are your male contemporary supermodels? Well, there was a mark Uh, what's Mark's last name, uh He's Dutch. It's funny how you don't know any of the man. But when he's Cindy, we all know exactly what he was talking about. Well, and then one of my best friends who reached bigger status than all of us, you know, supermodels was Fabio A Fabio. He is, of course referring to the famous Italian American model, Fabio Lanzoni Born in Milan, Italy, Fabio is the son of a conveyor belt company owner and was discovered by a photographer while working out. He soon came to America and became a widely known supermodel in the eighties and nineties. withith his square jaw, long flowing locks, and ripped tan body. I feel like you should say that line in slow motion, Tyler Cad Rripped, tanned Fabio was featured as the model on nearly five hundred romance books with titles such as Warrior's Woman, Scoundrels Captive, Captive Rose, and my personal favorite, Savage Thunder. We should start a Fabio cooververs only book club cult You can be the leader to. Yes. I will work on my abs. But titles with Fabio on the cover had a sales increase of over sixty percent And mayaybe that's why. at the peak of his cover model days, he was doing sixteen covers a day and over fifty five million books were sold with his image before nineteen ninety two. Maybe he should be the cover model for our show's logo. Write in and tell us your thoughts. He was making three thousand dollars per hour in nineteen ninety three, which is about six thousand two hundred dollars in today's currency Also He released an album, a musical album in nineteen ninety four called Fabio After Dark, which has seventeen tracks of magic, Liz. Pure, pure magic. The subtitle, music speaks for me When I cannot put my feelings into words. And is is. Sexual in nature, Liz, it is. Oh yeah. You know we have to play a song that right? We do. Which one? Which one are we gonna play? This is perhaps my favorite. This is a song when somebody loves somebody Oh and now looking Yeah Some my loveves some my best friend. Everything comes out so naturally That is pure sexual energy in my ears, Tyler. No wonder Fabio is who he is. Yeah More recently, you might recognize Fabio as a spokesperson for You won't believe this. I can't believe it's not butter. She wanted to remember the love they shared for butter. But cholesterol took away their passion until. I can't believe it's not butter. I can't believe it's not butter. The taste you love without the cholesterol Goodbye. I told you wouldn't believe it Now sixty three years old, Fabio is retired and owns over three hundred dirt bikes and sixteen dogs. And yes, dear listeners, do you definitely want to stick around because Fabio makes a cameo in our third episode, Flowing Lcks and All And now back to Hoit, who has been slightly overshadowed here by his more famous best friend common theme perhaps in his youth Fabio was one of the first models I met at Ford. And She was really into working out, so I'd work out with Fabio that we'd go to the clubbing together. I mean, Fabio was like walking into a club with Thor. You know It was like, you know, I used to think I had it going on, but I would literally go out with Fabio and feel invisible You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Well, here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with progressive save over nine hundred dollars on average. Pop over to progressive dot com, answer some questions, and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by. 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And luckily, he had teed off on the idea of presenting himself as asexual that you know he was clearly had been a gay man, but he claimed he had this sp spiritual awakening it was now no longer interested I mean, he would be attracted to people and he'd make a comment, but he would never makeake a pass at them. I never saw that Freddie had this way of just engaging any and everyone, it seemed like, like this whirlpool of energy that you just got sucked up in So okay, we need more about this Freddie guy. Like right now he's just this astrology dude who had access to a certain group of very important people and a lot of free shit to offer are guy Ht But what's his deal deal He was born Fred Meyer and I believe that was spelled M E Y E R changed his name to Frederick von Mers, which is M I E R E R S. He is someone who tried so hard to move away. from his roots and upbringing There is quite a bit of mystery around Mr. Meers and where he is actually from, but according to him, he was born a socialite So Freddy had been a model himself. I don't think he was a very successful model, but he definitely model, and he eventually found the way to scam himself into the social regisry When I met him and he would even reference those things, but he'd be like, o, I met the Duke of this or Prince so and so or the Duchess of this As we got involved with the group and a lot of us were Ivy Lagers, you know, even though he'd never gone to college, he would always go on and on on look, oh, this one went to Princeton, or this one Yale, or this went to Harvard or Columbia. He would throw that out, but it would also shine a light away from what his past was, and he was rebuilding this kind of image of who he wanted to be by who he surrounded himself with A lot of the entourage, there were a lot of kids my age. it was definitely he was in his thirties and we were on in our late teens, early twenties. This is another Cotleer favorite tactic. They will often recruit people who possess traits that they do not have themselves, but wish that they did When I came to New York, and met his entourage The sidekick I was this guy John Andriadas John was a very sincere seeker in that sense, you know, He was quite extraordeian and John also had this I guess you call photographic memory, mean he could recite scripture like I've never seen anyone ever And we would have these kind of tea meetings after night of stududio fifty four, John would just go on for hours just reciting scripture. it was incredible. And Fredrick basically said that John was going to become an avatar of his life and he was here to prepare him for that and avatar being the reincarnation of God which is a very clever technique to say, I'm actually smarter than the avatar. You know, because you're th saying, well if I'm the one here to train them. Ly Hoit said John was Freddy's right hand man. He came from wealth, but apparently gave it all up to serve a life for God. But John needed someone to help him on this path, and he found it in Freddy, who would present himself as the guy that was here to train the next incarnation of God So you have Freddy with his entourage and the question becomes Well when did it really become a cult, right because there has to be some sort of catalyst So what's the catalyst? Well John, you, who's the sidekick, has been reaching out to all these other metaphysical writers and he finds this woman, Ruth Montgomery Montgomery was an accomplished political journalist. In fact, she was the first female in the Washington Bureau of the New York Daily News in nineteen thirty four. She was also the press attache for Richard Nixon and was the president of the Women's National Press Club. But in the late sixties, she meets and befriends this Florida born psychic Arthur Ford, that's a spe And Arthur was quite a celebrity in the nineteen twenties when traveling mentalism shows were all the rage. He claimed to have duplicated all of Jesus' miracles, apart from the raising of the dead. Turning water into wine is a pretty great party trick, especially for broke young boys, I would imagine. Arthur was, however, very controversial, and many magicians claimed what he was doing was simply magic tricks osed as supernatural powers You't say Regardless, Ruth Montgomery meets him and starts a friendship with him. and in nineteen seventy one, Arthur passes away But his abilities apparently don't, because now Ruth's caught the buck And she starts having these encounters where she would go in front of her typewriter and she'd like go into trance and she would start typing. called she called it automatic writing And so it was Arthur and her guides were the people operating from the other side, giving her information this automatic typing. And the pattern was she would get typed or she would send a question to them and they would answer it In this process, she had written eight or nine metaphysical books that were bestsellers. So John seeks her out and says, you've got to meet my fearless leader, Frederick, he's incredible So she asks the guidees about Frederick and totally validates everything about him. And goes as far as in the new book that she's writing called Aliens Among Us She puts four chapters on Frederick To be fair, Freddy definitely looks like an alien. And yes, I'm saying that with all the judgment in the world. Okay, so look so I actually found a copy of the book Aliens Among Us. It was published in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, I ordered it online from a book dealer in Arkansas. It was like four bucks or something. I mean, it is a tattered copy And whoever owned this had marked it up like it was holy Scripture. Wow. I mean, they highlighted all kinds of passages in it. It's incredible It' just kind of amazing to read. We will put some pictures of this book on our Instagram so you guys can check it out. On the cover, it says, Dazzling true testimony that extraterrestrials are on Eth about to usher in the new age. It's so funny that that was nineteen eighty five because I feel like a lot of people would agree with that same sentiment in twenty twenty three. Okay, so in the book, Ruth describes her first meeting with Freddie, or Frederick I was prepared to welcome a small, dark complexioned to man who would probably be wearing swamy robes. Instead I beheld the most beautiful specimen of manhood imaginable Pfect features, sparkling blue eyes, blonde hair, and a lithe physique garbed in preppy denims and from the lifts of this thirty seven year old aristocrat to a steady stream of loving philosophy that if heated by all humanity could revolutionize the vibrations of planet Earth Holy mother, mother of holy f. Yeah. That is fantastic. crazy. Yeah. And the book goes on to describe the life of Frederick, who that according to him, of course, he was in a previous life a high priest in ancient India, and he had helped plan and build the temple of Giza. In this existence, however, he claimed to be born of high society on Christmas Day in nineteen forty six His parents died when he was four years old and he spent most of his time with his godmother who helped him travel through Europe where he met kings and queens But the most essential part of his life occurred in January of nineteen seventy eight, when after a period of deep depression, almost to the point of suicide, He was alone in his New York City apartment And in vivid flashes, he saw past lives, and over the course of a week, he was visited by three beings who revealed deep secrets to him And this is a direct quote from him Overnight, I became adept in the science of Hindu astrology. I knew that I had come from Octurus. where I had lived in a hydrogen light body. These crazy call leaders, how many times have we heard that they were born gifted or became an expert in just three days You guys, expertise isn't just randomly bestowed on you overnight from a visit from a goddamn fairy godmother. I call bullshit. There's more, Liz. He also said in a series of visions he saw quote, the coming wars, the destruction of New York City, my own mission and the future of Earth Ruth in the book then says At this point, I asked the guides whether the above summary was factual and they wrote The account by Frederick is basically correct. My girl, Ruth, you are not helping us, Ruth. The book then lays out a bit about Freddie's whole belief system, but Well let Hite fill you in on that Part of the belief system was that We are not limited as souls to earth There's other realms and planets and stars where you have existence So He eventually came to the conclusion that the place in the universe that he considered to be his home What's the star Octurus Naturally. And Octurus just happened to be the spiritual center of the universe, by chance. Cool coincidence. because that was home and that's where He had this group of friends They, in essence, looked down on Earth and said, My God, Earth's really go through some rough times. We just send out a team to go help out. And he and his friends agreed to do that. Sorry, you lost me for a sec. What friend? Okay. well, this is a tough one to explain. I did read a lot of this book, Liz, but the simplest way to put it is that basically A bunch of souls were living on this star. they were hydrogen bodies, and they came down to Earth to take over other people's real bodies. But look, worry not, We explain more of this in episode two. The catch was, this is where the story gets fun Only he would remember this. The other friends would not. so he would have to go find the other Actorians and realigned a team so that we could fulfill the duty that we had pledged to do when we were back in Actorus Okay, so Octorus is a real star. In fact, it is one of the brightest stars in the galaxy. The sun, of course being the brightest star. Because of course the sun is a star. There are literal people driving in their cars right now going, The sun is a star Oh shit, I guess I was hot that day in science class. So Octurus has a surface temperature of about four thousand two hundred Kelvin By comparison, our sun surface temperature is about five thousand seven hundred Kelvin. whichich means that Arcturus is not as hot as the sun, but is slightly hotter than Tucson But what Freddy said is that the Arcturians were actually hydrogen light bodies and they were able to live in the heat of Acturus. He was a very effective storyteller and he couched it with this absolute belieelief behind it. And you're just like, Okay, yeah Just just taking it all in. yeah. That's clearly what we are Frederick claimed that once he found all the Octurians on Earth, they would go back and live in that star. until summoned again to Eth for another life And as ridiculous as that all may sound, when you're hanging out with a group of friends and the group leader tells everyone they're part of the cool club, but you Well, you feel left out. Who doesn itt want to be in the cool club And I was dying to be told I was a trying because I had been left out And it wasn't uil my This was my senior in college where I finally got the green light that I was out turning Cult leaders basically invented phMo All of the stuff is a bit crazy and all of it is laid out in great detail in Aliens Among Us, including one chapter. One chapter being Frederick and his friends. which I get to be in That particular chapter is actually called Frederick's Arcturial Friends. And in it, Ruth describes each of the entourage, including our manan Hot whom she quotes My professional name is Hoyt Richards, and my success has been fortunate, he says. But the true success story has been my increased spiritual awakening since I have been working with Frederick He has taught me to make my own decisions in life Al to be aware of the repercussions. We must remember our original purpose on this planet to see God and love Him Frederick is devoting his life to this service and I am honored to be able to serve and help I wish I could live that one down, but yeah, so we're all in in that book You know, I always tell people I will never beat myself up for what I signed up for. So it was a wonderful idea and it was very much about seeking enlightenment, becoming the best version of yourself becoming less, you know, selfish, more more service oriented Yeah. I mean, that was really wasn't anything groundbreaking as far as, you know, and as far as providing context, Everybody was into something back then. I mean, the eighties in New York certainly was, you know, yoga was just kind of emerging All these kind of, you know, S was around, there was all this kind of self improvement type stuff that was happening We hear that a lot. You know, it was the sixties, it was the eighties, it was the nineties. I think the takeaway is that no matter what the era, there is always some kind of self improvement thing going around. And there will always be a cult leader ready and available to take advantage of that Anything else in that book, Tyler? No, there's a ton in the book. T much to go into, but there is a chapter of writings from John and Frederick It is heavily highlighted. So let me open the book here.