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Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs. Okay, David, you do not need your laptop. I don't need my laptop? No. But how am I supposed to but what if what uh but news what if the fedEx Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez. I'm David, and I'm David. Adam wrote that into the script, not me. Nice. Yeah. So we're back with uh some Apple news, some Google news, and a game that Adam wants to play with all of us. So this will be a fun variety pack episode. Yes. But first. Yes, Mar quez, you changed your whole desk setup. I did. We have to we have to understand why. Alright, we were trying to unpack this a little bit. It was sort of a a minor thing, but it ended up taking my whole day setting all this stuff up yesterday. So classic. For those who are wondering, yeah. I uh I mentioned in the setup video of my desk that I would be getting rid of the Mac Pro soon. Apple literally discontinued the Mac Pro slightly after that video. Officially. Yeah. So they gave up on the Mac Pro. So so did I. Nice. Now, my question is : do I want to become the laptop person or still have a separate distinct desktop and laptop? Which kind of feels to me like do I want to have my phone for every photo or do I want to carry a separate camera? Yeah. Obviously, the separate camera is going to be better, but it would be convenient if I could take everything on my phone. This is the laptop dilemma. I think that a 16-inch M5 Max MacBook Pro is powerful enough to do everything that I want out of a computer, including editing, including all the plugins, including everything that we do, that takes a lot of render, but it's a 16-inch MacBook Pro. It's a big, heavier. Big boy. Yeah. But the 14-inch is clearly superior. I love the form factor. I would much rather carry the 14, and I know this because I've gone from a six toteen a fourteen and I try to go back and back and forth and I just I'm But do you ever edit on just the fourteen without plugging into a display? I think I've done it w like three only once with a main video and like three or four times with vertical video shorts. Yeah. It's annoying, right? It's slightly annoying, but it's not deal-breaker annoying. What turned out to be more interesting is there's like a 15 to 20% difference in long-term thermal performance , with the bigger chassis of the 16, you're actually getting like the max that the chip has to offer. Yeah, true. The M5 Max and a 14-inch chassis is throttling a little earlier, isn't giving me quite the same performance. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not, but I'm curious if I can use the 16 inch M5 Max MacBook Pro. 16 inch. Yes. Okay. As my everything computer. Oh. Uh it will be the desktop plugged into those monitors, plugged into a whole bunch of stuff, a doc, a DAC, a whole bunch of, you know, we can talk about that. Yeah. And then when I need to go home or bring it somewhere, I can take it somewhere, I can take the edit somewhere, I can take whatever I'm doing, and I don't have to have multiple computers. That's what's great about it. Everything's on one little PC. So the obvious other version of this is Mac Studio. I've said Studio is the new pro. I think if this project, if this experiment fails me, what I'll end up doing is I'll end up going back to having a Mac Studio on my desk. Whenever that M5 Ultra comes out or M6 Ultra, whatever it is, that will be the desktop and a 14-inch MacBook Pro will continue to be my laptop. Yeah. Okay. How long are you gonna test this experiment for? So I have the review unit M5 Max 60-inch MacBook Pro. It's maxed out, has 128 gigs of of unified memory. I'm I'm using this until the new MacBook Pro, which we all know is gonna get the redesign, probably a two nanometer node and a OLED touchscreen and all this stuff. Whenever that new one comes out. Yeah. And when that new one comes out, that's when I'll make my decision. Am I gonna buy that laptop and continue the laptop life or, am I going to become Mac Studio and MacBook Pro? If you get enough storage, I really, it's so great to just have everything on one computer. Yeah. As of right now, it's like day one and a half. You know, it's the second day of this experiment. I am using a now there's a couple of things I needed to make this setup work. So I have two studio display XDRs on my desk. Okay. They look fantastic. They are smaller than this the Pro displays, but they're 120 Hertz, they're brighter, they look better. Yeah. I'm willing to accept that. And I daisy chain them to each other, so it's great. I still have thin roll ports to spare. And I have this TS5 plus doc. Who makes this doc? TS5 plus dock. Caldigit. Caldigit baby. Yeah, this Cal Digit Thunderbolt 5 dock, uh, which lets me plug all of my accessories on my desk into the MacBook Pro with one cable. That's nice. So I'm the the dream . Yeah, the dream is to have the one cable set up. I walk in with the laptop, put it down, plug in one cable, everything lights up. The mouse, the mechanical keyboard, the studio monitors, the DAC, both displays, my storage, everything is connected to Crazy. Yeah. Unfortunately, uh oh . The Universal Audio DAC is really stubborn and refuses to work with the dock. Even though it's plugged into Thunderbolt in the dock, I've tried it with the dock. I've tried it also with the display, plugging it straight into the display. It doesn't like it. It it just they've did they even test this? It loves being plugged into the laptop directly. Damn. So it's a two-cable setup for now. Dak don't like the dock. Yeah. Dak don't like the dock. Damn Marquez, let me sit at your desk after we record and troubleshoot this for you because it didn't like anything other than direct. Yeah. Yeah. Really annoying. I have my own version of exactly what you're going through right now. Mm-hmm. And this is like round three of me wanting to talk about the iPhone Air. Yeah. Yeah. So Run it back, baby. I saw your tweets. You're You did. You were talking about how you tried to go back to the pro. I tried. I tried so oh my God. Okay so I wanna know what you're feel like are you back on a pro or are you still on the air? You're still in the air. Still on the air. Constantly frustrated by the camera. I mean Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll talk about that even more later. But you're probably, you know, a little more evened out because you're using a second Android phone all the time that's much thicker, so you're kind of used to it. Yeah. But I don't know what I was smoking when I was like okay with phones being as thick as they were, you know. This I not that bad. It used okay. I used to have the opposite take. Okay. This this phone radicalized me. So what's your now your fully thin phone pilled phone ? Uh kinda. I can't refuse you can only use this or the S twenty five edge. Well, I think there'll be more options later. Yeah. And when the iPhone fold comes out, I think I think that will because it's still thin when you open it, I think it'll be an okay compromise. It'll be shorter. We'll see. But I don't know. I I tried to go back to the pro because I'm going to Europe today for two weeks and it's it's so heavy and thick. I I literally felt like I was using a motorolith track phone. That's what it felt like. I get it. Like I especially when you use them back to back. Yeah. You go from this super thin, especially the lightweight too. That's the thing people don't realize when they see it on video it looks oh it's just a little bit thicker whatever but holding it it's so much lighter uh uh and the two things that are frustrating about the air are the camera and the battery yeah as far as I mean everything else is perfectly fine as far as I can tell. Yeah. So I have had a couple moments where I wish I had an ultra wide and I literally had to back up like I shot the desk photo the other day and I was just backing up away from my desk and that was annoying. But I can kind of make that work. Yeah. But the battery. Yeah. How are you dealing with the I think? It's not as bad as I know how he's doing. He grabbed a rich power bank for his trip today. I did. Yeah. I mean it's not it's not awful. I will say like I've been home for a while for longer than I'm usually home for. Like I've been home for like a month. And I am one of those people that just constantly has all of their gadgets plugged in at every moment that I'm not using them. Yep. You know, I'm I have a lot of battery anxiety all of the time. That's okay with the air then. Yeah. So it's okay with the air. So I'm not completely sure how it's gonna fare, you know, on a on a travel I'm sure. What? I have a travel screen. I know exactly how this is gonna go. Oh well, that's why I have battery banks, I guess. I don't know. I tried to switch back to the pro and I'm just like, I can't do this. This is so annoying. Wow. It totally racked it. Even as your only phone. Uh yeah. However, okay, however, just like you, the main things that I miss are the camera. Um, which by the way, I was wrong. I thought I you I thought I never used the wide angle camera. I the ultra. The ultra ride, I apparently do. Not for photography, but for like functional. Functionality. Yeah. Like yeah, like I uh I remodeled my kitchen this weekend. Wow. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. I had to put a lot of work in. And I was trying to take a photo to like show my friends that I remodeled it. You can't back it up. I literally can't, I hit the wall. You can't show the whole kitchen in one picture, which is annoying. So I had to take a video and then it was still, yeah, it was bad. It was annoying. And then my my 3D printed camera that I use all the time uses the ultra wide camera to like crop in. Right. And I can't do that either. So if they release an air with a wide with the ultra wide camera, I'll be happy. The other thing, I found a solution to the no telephoto thing. Okay. Okay. So there's the there's this company that sent me this camera attachment thing like a few months ago called Kyra Camera. That it's like you mag safe your camera to t your phone it and it's just a sensor with a um I w I wish I had it with me, it's in my backpack. It's just a sensor with a micro four thirds lens on it and your phone slaps onto it and then your phone becomes the interface for it. And it directly like it uses Wi-Fi direct. The images go straight to your phone. You can shoot raw, you can shoot video. Is it a microfourth sensor? It's microfourth sensor. That's nice. And uh you can put microf and then you put micro four thirds lenses on it and because it's micro four thirds sensor like it cr the crop factor is pretty high. So even if you're using like I'm using a twenty five millimeter like a lens and it's like a it's like a fifty or something. Yeah, like a fifty. That sounds sick. It's dope. What's it called? It's called Kyra camera. It's really cool. All right. So then what are you using as a lens if this is like a lens? A lens. Yeah, I have a I have a twenty five mil lens that's like a fifty. So I just carry that with me. It's not very big. It's like it's like this thick. Okay. And my phone your phone just like mag safes straight to it. And so I'll just have that in my bag with me. And in the cases where I need to do telephoto, I just slap it on. You can shoot raw. Okay. Yeah. It's it'll it'll work. I know I understand what you're saying. Yeah. It's like if I really want to zoom and take a photo like that, then I have this kit. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And that was my main concern ' Icause cause I used this on a the last trip that I did too and not having a telephoto to shoot raw because I when I'm traveling I do a lot of uh like hal ide or or moment camera too with raw photos and with this it kind of sucks. So very anti-adding things to your phone for cameras. Yeah, well not entirely. But I do have I think there's a point of diminishing return, and it's pretty quick. Yeah, yeah. Allison Johnson put it really interesting piece out on the Verge a couple weeks ago about the iPhone Air that says like it it was called like I finally understand the iPhone Air and it was about how it's a modular phone. How like you basically for the daily use you just use it and it's thin and it's great, and then you basically switch it out for whatever parts you need, whether it's the battery bank or camera attachment. Motorola was a decade too early. Uh yeah, of course. Yeah. The Z. Yeah, the Z was insane. But the Z was yeah. Mag Safe is such a better c attachment mechanism because like things like the Moto Z that had the dedicated modules, yeah, it's like they promised to support it for like two years and then they did and Where as long as Apple does not get rid of MagSafe, which I saw some rumors that were like they're thinking of killing it and it was like that's the stupidest thing ever and they will never do that. Yeah. Uh as long as MagSafe is it exists, all these attachments still work. Yeah. Sorry, iPhone 16E. So my point is I am totally radicalized. I don't I didn't think this would ever happen to me. I mean this is kind of what we said when it came out. Like this is the right form factor. It's just too many compromises. Yeah. Yeah. This phone would be great if it had a silicon carbon battery. Yeah. Because it would probably be totally fine. I have a store a travel story for you in a second. Okay. But and then yeah, and add an extra camera and it's right there. Yeah. It's back to being very usable and justifiable. Okay, what's your story? Uh I recently went to how much can I say? I went to a foreign country in Europe somewhere. Okay. For a video shoot that you'll guys will learn about later. Yeah. And I forgot to bring a power adapter. I totally forgot to bring it adapted. Every time Adam and I were just talking about that. I brought everything else I need. I had the MacBook Pro. Yeah. I had the backpack full of stuff. I had uh my chargers all ready to go and I just forgot my like adapter for their plugs. Yeah. So it's a three-day trip. And I realize this as I land and I'm like, you know what? I don't I'm not gonna buy an adapter. I'm gonna survive with the batteries that I have. Crazy personal. Which is a MacBook Pro, an Oppo Find X9 Ultra, a OnePlus 15, and an iPhone Air. And an iPad Pro . And I was I got off the plane not knowing, so I wasn't really conserving battery while I was watching stuff on the iPad. So the iP ad was like kind of cooked. So I got there and it was like I need to use my MacBook Pro as a power bank to charge my phones overnight every single day. Beautiful. After the first night of charging up the um the one plus to full, for some reason the MacBook Pro is basically dead. So now I have two days and two phones . And uh yeah, the i the iPhone error did not last. It lasted like I think I got to low power mode at twenty percent like by the end of the first day. Yeah. And I was still at like sixty something with the Oppo and the One Plus. So having them side by side and actively trying to conserve battery on both and just watching the air just slowly go away. It was really it was pretty eye-opening. Yeah. So I yeah. What I usually do when I forget a uh power bank, which is like or forget a travel adapter, which is a lot, is a lot of the like hostels and stuff that I stay in, they'll have like one USB A or USB C port like in your bed area. I was looking for yeah. I was looking for that port. I always I turn my MacBook Pro into like a multi port daisy chained battery pack battery pack. Where I plug in the MacBook and then everything else is just like octopused off of it. Yep. Um which is probably what's gonna happen in when I go to Europe today. So yeah.. Anyway Uh yeah, I'm radicalized. So I really hope that they don't kill this line like they did with the Mini. The Mini I loved immediately. And the the problem with the air is that it's a good phone, you just have to spend like three weeks with it to understand that. Which is a which is a problem for Apple. Well, Apple always does two of everything, at least typically with the phones. Yeah. So we're gonna have we're pretty sure we're gonna have an air two. Yeah. Then we'll see how that goes. Yeah. Alright. Did they even test this? We do this every week. Did you guys bring uh did you bring some? I have one. Let's go, Alice. But first. Actually two but first. Because the first but first is video viewers already know where this is going. No, because I uh unfortunately embarrassed myself in the last episode because my last did they even test this was about how to do the find on page on safari. Yeah. Got a lot of comments. Got a lot of comments. Uh there's a much easier way to find on page that I did not know about. Um Thank you, Waveform audience. Okay. Now Adam, would you mind uh getting the lights please? I feel like I need to narrate this for audio listeners. Ellis what? Ellis is grinning from ear to ear wearing a 76ers shirt and a 76ers hat . And you know why I'm gritting ear to ear Marquez? Why is that? Because this weekend , the Philadelphia 76ers, for the first time since the 1980s have defeated the Boston Celtics in an NBA playoff series. Meaning, we are moving on to round two to face our other rivals, the New York Knickerbockers, in a what will hopefully be another seven game amazing basketball series. Kelly Ubre, thank you for your contributions. Joel Embiid is back and healthy. Nothing can go wrong for us. Are they really called the Knickerbox? Quick knock some wood. Yeah. The Knicks are the Knickerbockers. What does that even mean? Underwear. Something. I've looked it up so many times and then just forget every time. Yeah. It commonly refers to 19th century baggy knee length trousers. 76ers really close to a meme. Dude, it's this team is just so much fun. It's just so much fun. I'm glad you're having fun. So many. Game seven sounds stressful, but it sounds like you're having a lot of things. Dude, I have not come closer to sh my pants as an adult than watching that game seven. And just I I love I my my heart pours out for everyone on this team, especially Kelly Ubre. And Joel Embiid. And Tyrice Maxie. And yeah. You said it was uh the most watched Game Seven in NBA Plus history? That's what we were seeing online, but we were also talking about how Game Seven of the finals I was just like the LeBron Steph Curry finals. Yeah. That's like incredible stat. It's just like the six, you know, I keep trying to explain this to Alex and Adam, man. It's like the being a Sixers fan is not about reveling in your endless wins, okay? It's about we literally have more than you, but it's about reveling in the journey and and the storylines and the personalities and watching Joel and Bede grow up before our eyes and overcome so much, and watching Kelly Ubre turn into just like a absolute dog in the paint, and and watching VJ Edgecombe blossom into an eventual all-star. And having already watched Tyrese Maxi blossom into an all-star. And so that win, that game meant so much to us. I found the NBA.com post. Yes. Most watched first round in 33 years, most watched first round game seven ever. Everyone got to watch the Sixers play beautiful Sixers basketball, and um I just feel so blessed to be alive right now. Oh and uh I just want to make a quick point that he's talking about the game seven because game one versus the Knicks was uh not a great game if you're a Sixers. Oh yeah, that already happened. Yeah, that was really bad. And so my my did they even test this is the Sixers drop coverage because did not work . And those baskets, those Knicks baskets were fallen. Um so yeah, did they even test this? Sixers defense, but it's all good, man, because we just did test it. We're coming back tonight, gonna tie up the series. It's funny. I used to be a Clippers fan back when Chris Paul and Lob City era Clippers were like a thing. And this was the feeling that I was hoping I would feel for like five years straight. And I never, never got to tell you. It's okay. If it makes you feel any better, this is the feeling I've been hoping to feel for five years straight and we're finally getting it. That's awesome. All right. So onto tech. Yeah. My did they even test this is shocker Google Test. So what? In Google Test, when you add things to your upcoming, I guess, reminders. Okay. There's on web at least. I feel like this might also be in the app. I'm not sure. Um, but on web, it shows like all of your lists that you've made. Yeah. One of them, the very first one, um, even though you can move it around, but the the one that's first by default is upcoming. Okay. That one will just show every reminder that you have for the upcoming future period. Like you can't sort it for only show me the the upcoming week. You can't sort it for only show me the upcoming month. It's just everything. Like right now, I have a reminder for Friday, December 11th to remind me that there's a parade that always passes by my apartment. Uh the Guadalupe parade, I think. But it's at like 10 PM every December 11th, where a bunch of people go down my block with a parade. So like I I feel like that's the reason they exist separately. Like Okay, so let's say I did have a task on Friday 11th though. Like this Friday. No, like the 11th of December. Like the I I don't know. I had to re-sign something on December twelfth. I would also. So I set a reminder. Not a reminder? I put it. No, that's yeah, that's a task. I guess so. But if it's like buy someone's birthday present like a week before the week before. Like I would see that right now. Which is like why? Yeah. I th yeah, okay, that makes sense. It's just like why you're not truncate. Have you tried Tic Tic? I have tried Tic Tic and I used Tic Tic for a long time. Um I was trying to minimize subscriptions. So I stopped using it. They paid the pro version. Yeah, there's a pro- pro version. Do you need the pro version for I don't know? I mean, at some point too, like, is it better to use Google things? L likeike, I don't even know if that's the case. Like maybe it is better to just pay a developer, but I'm off of the like it's better to use Google's version because there's so many examples of it not being better to use Google's version that I have abandoned that philosophy. That's a very good point. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. In summary, no, they did not test this. Yeah. I have one that I'm well, it's less of the did they even test this and more of why does this exist? Does that work? Why does it yeah we'll take it? Okay, so like a couple of weeks ago, X launched X chat, which is a separate app. Which is just yeah, which is a separate app on your phone, which is just the DM portion of X And it looks exactly like the DM tab in X . And uh it's just the DMs. And then there's a little button in the top right, and when you click it, it just opens X. Yeah, so don't know why they have two separate apps for this. And I thought Elon was all obsessed with making the everything app, and then he just started separating them. And I'm very confused. I think that counts. That counts. Did they even think about this? How about that? D was there any like press statement as to like why they did this? No. No. Just launched. Also like Casually. You after ever since the the the blue check apocalypse on X Twitter, on Twitter. Uh messaging people is like almost impossible because most accounts you can't even DM unless you pay. Is that is that how that works? I don't know. I I forget how the system works, but I feel like anytime I want to send a DM , it's like, you got money. Yeah. So now there's an app to tell me like you got money. Yeah. Someone hit me up the other day, they're like, Hey, your handle is a the d at David ML is available because I've been trying to get that since like two thousand twelve or whatever . And uh but you have to have X premi um plus, which costs forty dollars a month in order to request the dead hand like unused handles. And I was like Okay, I hate this. Text chat encrypted. Uh is the is the Twitter DMs regular Twitter DMs encrypted? They're exactly it is because they're the same. Oh well and I have no answer. I really don't know why this exists. Yeah. I was trying to think of something different. Now to be fair, to be fair, I have been wanting an Instagram just DMs app forever, which they were working on for a long time. And separately? Separately. Isn't that just messages like Facebook messages? Or messenger? Yeah, but Instagram. They unbundled them, remember? Yeah. So you're on WhatsApp? No. No. The amount of people chat. There's a lot of people that I just began with through Instagram that I like daily, but I have I have all my social media blocked throughout the day on my accounts because I don't want to, you know. Wait, this is the exact same thing. What? That's what Twitter's doing. Yeah. You want to be able to DM the people you DM on Instagram without also having to go through the rest of Instagram. Correct. I just I barely use Twitter. Okay. Which is bad. Twitter . It's what Twitter did, and I'm happy about that. I barely I mean if it was Instagram. Because I barely used Twitter. I would love this for Instagram, but it just it's just confusing. Let's move on to some news this week. I just want to say the the selling point, and this is according to Elon himself. Okay. Um quote. XChat is the only secure encrypted messaging app. That's not true at all. What? It is if you just say it. That's the end of the statement? That's not even remotely true. That's like the first half of a correct statement, but then it's just wrong. Has he ever heard of signal before? All right, let's get to the actual news stories of the week. So I gotta take a vote from you guys. We got two Apple stories and two Google stories. Which one do you want to get to first? Hmm. I like the Android ones or the Google ones. Like the Google ones? Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about the Google ones. My curiosity is peaked. Yes. So this is going to be pretty major event. Next week, we're getting the Android show, which if you remember , is a pre-io Android experience where they yes. Yes. It's very hype. Because IO is super real. IO used to include Android, but now it's kind of just all Gemini. Yeah, now it's just for the stockholders and the people that care about the products. Well, the Gemini features are interesting, but yeah. But it's gonna be a big one. Uh Samir Samant has tweeted a video with a little teaser for the Android show. His caption. He says that it's the biggest set of Android updates ever. And he he he punctuated it. He said biggest Android updates ever . Period after every word. Which is a big deal. That's a lot of hype. It's a lot of hype. Coming from a Googler. Wow. Yeah. And in the little teaser video, the little Andy Android robot pulls a light switch and when he turns off the lights, he's glowing with these kind of like neon blue and pink cotton candy colors. However, and Adam noted this because it's scaring me. No, no, no, no, it's not. Don't okay. By the way, scaring me. Everyone is quote tweeting this being like Apple's doing liquid glass. He replied to it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he said we're not. Him and Michal have had to go like have a campaign going to reply to every single person. We go like, no, we are not. Did they even test this? Did they even think about this? Yeah. Uh but if you look very closely near the Andy Android robot's neck, it's clearly got the pixel glow like RGB Y bar. If you wanna see it clearly, it's now the profile picture of Android on Twitter. Yeah. So it's hype. Yes. It's glowing. Pretty hype. Um It would be really crazy and I would be very happy if they did a lot of settings change ups like they did with ice cream sandwich where everything was kind of neon and weird. And just this morning it leaked that the new design language that they're d using is called luminous design. Don't they change okay, they change this so much. Okay. Well I think that they'll still have material you expressive as the like m you know, material interface. But I think that luminous design is going to be like the Gemini kind of like intelligent features are going to have the luminous stuff. So it's being Tease's biggest Android updates ever , but it's not the biggest Android updates ever. It's just the Gemini parts. I don't think it's just the Gemini parts. I think that they're probably adding a ton of Android features. Hmm. Which is cool, because I have no idea what they would add. I'm very curious how they're gonna live up to this amount of hype because this is yeah. Yeah, material three expressive is new, right? That just came out like some years ago. Yeah, from two or three years ago. So for them to have in for them to be introducing a brand new design . Yeah. I would imagine that's just for like the glowing around your screen when you hold down the button to access Gemini, which is already a thing. So like what else would they use this for? Well they just pushed pushed a big update for the Gemini app on Andro id, um, where it looks a lot more neon like this, like yesterday. So if you have it, that'd be that'd be interesting to see. Uh yeah. So I don't know. They say biggest Android updates ever. I'm really curious what that means. It could be so many things. Are there any Android features that you have been like wishing for? Not specifically, honestly. I mean the hardware is what's been fun to play with in Android Land, and then I use Android, Android, Android, mostly the same way I did five years ago. Yeah. Which is also mostly the same way I did five years before that. Yeah. So yeah, Gemini a little bit more, a little circle to search stuff a little bit more, but it's genuinely mostly the same. I'm pretty happy with it. The one I'm really excited for is the I forget what it's called, but the Chrome desktop when you plug it in, Pixel Desktop or whatever. Yeah, making that better. Making it better to like be a deck's competitor for real. For sure. Um because right now it's like in developer beta or something like that and it's fine. You can use it, but it's not like I wouldn't say it's good. Yeah. It's just like fun to play around with. Yeah. If they can make that good, that would be awesome. Yeah. Well, thankfully the event is next Tuesday. So we'll be able to talk about it on the show next week. I won't because I won't be here. But you guys will be able to talk about on the show next week. And it's at ten A.M. Pacific time. So you guys should all uh chime in. Maybe we could get that live thread thing going. I would love that, but I don't know if that's out yet. It might be. It's rolling out slowly. The other uh Google news is that Google Home Gemini can now do multiple and more complicated requests at once, which is a big uh a big update. It's home three point one, it improves Gemini's ability to interpret and act on requests like complex tasks or multiple tasks in one query. I need an example. I think you should be able to say like turn on the lights in the bedroom and also open up the shades in the living room. So you can like chain things together. You can chain things together. Um also more complex stuff. It will also make Gem Gemini better at handling recurring all-day events and allow you to move around upcoming events with your voice All I want is better search and Gmail. Like just use this for Gmail. Yeah. How is it so bad? Why are they doing all this? Just give me good search and Gmail. I don't know. It's still so bad. It is crazy . Uh they're also launching in beta a way to manage your smart home from a computer. And you can search your camera history with natural language. You can create routines from your desktop. So that's nice. You just said routines and that made me think of another thing that I hope they introduce into Android, which is like Samsung's routines and like uh Apple shortcuts, like something like that. Yeah, goo, they have some already, right? In the automations. Oh automations, you're right. Yeah, in Gemini stuff. But are they good? In Google Home. I think they're pretty good. Well, I some of mine are broken, so I haven't actually updated them in a while. But I I do know they have that. Let's see. Like if they can do automation. If they flesh that out, that would also be pretty sick. Yeah. Yeah. Cause there's not many things that I want Android to take from iOS specifically, but shortcuts is one of them. Yeah. And I know you can use Macro Droid and Tasker and all those things, but those are so insanely powerful I don't need all that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of exciting to for them to hype it so much when I don't even know what I want them to add. It's like I feel like we're going to be surprised because none of these features have leaked so far, which is kind of surprising. Yeah, I feel like Android I mean, I don't know. I guess both operating systems are pretty mature at this point for what I would like what I want. Yeah. So there's not really much you can do besides a design change that would make me be like, whoa, it's such a huge change up from what we already had. Yeah. Like that's why with iOS liquid glass was like such a thing because it changed how everything looked. I wouldn't say it like changed much of the functionality in a drastic way. No. So I'm curious how why they're hyping this up so much. Like what are they gonna introduce? Yeah, it's interesting that they're kind of showcasing the pixel glow stuff considering that's fairly necessary. Like you kind of have to have hardware to make that work. And they're not gonna show off well they're prop I mean maybe they will. Maybe they'll show off the Pixel eleven in the Pixel book or whatever. I doubt it, but like it would be cool. It would be cool. That would be crazy. Yeah, if they randomly dropped the pixel. I mean they could do the Pixel laptop, right? Yeah, they could or at least they could hype it. You think they would drop that with the phones in August, September, October, whenever the pixel can start? Really? I think yeah, from the separate from the phones. Really? But the phones shine, but if you're gonna do a laptop I don't know. A new laptop, you could do that so I mean when they did the Pixelbook Go, it was at the same time as the phones. When the Pixel four came out. True. I guess Google doesn't always think logically . So that's fair. Yeah, but it's a I mean it's an an I mean this is supposed to be their Android Chrome OS merger laptop, so it could be and like why do you need the phones to have their moment to shine when they're just Gemini mach ines, you know? They're not that different. You know what I mean? Just from my o. Yeah. That's true. Just go separate from IO. Yeah. Um I went to the Google store in Williamsburg this past weekend. Oh yeah. And you were close to me and you didn't tell me. Is Williamsburg close to you? Yes. Oh, sorry. Right below me. I can walk there in twenty minutes. Oh well, sorry. I'll hit I'll tell you next time. Yeah, why? But I was in the store and my mom was with me because I was going to get a what was it like a Titan security key for my sister? Oh yeah. That's what she ended up picking up. Get them at the Google store. Yeah, they sell them there. Oh wow. Um cool. But she was walking around, she's like, This is cozy. This is not like the Apple store at all. And I was like, I bet that was very intentional. It is a lot like the Apple store. I mean it's more it's more cozy because they have more fibers and stuff. I think more fibers, a lot of wood. We have green the Apple store also. Apple is like metal and wood. And like glass. Glasss. Yeah, that' true. White walls. Yeah. They only have a couple of stores, so they gotta make them hype. Yeah. Alright. Okay. Speaking of Apple News . Apple is going to allow you to choose which AI model to use for different Apple intelligence features. Which is kind of it's kind of interesting. It's very of the moment. Yes. I was asking, can one of you explain this to me? Because I do not understand what this means at all. Yeah, okay. So this is according to Bloomberg. Uh in iOS twenty-seven, you're gonna be able to use an extensions feature, which lets you pick different AI models for different features of Apple intelligence, like Siri, writing tools, image playground, other stuff. So it's become clear over the last year or two years that these different AI models that people subscribe to, whether it's Claude or ChatGPT or Gemini, are better at certain things, right? And people subscribe to different ones. And at this point, I think Apple has given up trying to make their own competitive model, right? Like it would cost so much money, and the the race is moving so fast and the updates are coming so fast that Apple would have to basically create an entire addition al company within Apple just to keep up with all these other companies. So it makes more sense to just be the compute company that like runs the models. Yeah. They are the hardware that everyone will run the models on. Right. So once all these models, yeah, obviously there's the cloud models, and then once these local models get good enough that everyone's running them locally on all their machines, they're the ones here with the machines. Yeah. And that we run them on there. Totally. Yeah. So like the iPhone is probably going to use Gemini Nano for like Siri things, right? But for all the other features, like image playground, which literally nobody uses, uh, ChatGPT currently has, you know, it's competitive between Chat gt and gemini for who has the best image model. Sure. But the fact that most people are probably only subscribed to one of these AI models at a time. So if you are subscribed to Gemini versus ChatGPT, you want to plug in all of your Gemini stuff to your iPhone so that works natively, and Apple's happy to let you do that. Um it's more interesting that you can choose which model for which feature, which I guess makes sense because you know, some models like Claude is better at reasoning. So if there was some sort of reasoning feature in uh the iPhone, I guess that's better for reasoning, you would plug in your Claude model. Um, it is kind of like a if you know you know kind of thing. Like the average iPhone user probably isn't gonna be plugging in a bunch of different models, but yeah, you know. Yeah, I really want to see what the UI is for this because I feel like if I'm trying to do I don't know, like Siri, I wanna have Siri be accessing Gemini. Yeah. But then for image generation, chat GPT. Yeah. And then for circle to search, oh let's do Gemini again. And then like all those different things. Shortcut automations. Let me use Claude for that. Yeah. What is that UI even gonna look? Like even saying it out loud, I'm kind of confused. Yeah, maybe just it's a defaults page in the settings, like the way you can choose your search engine default now by going into settings and switching it from Google to one of the other options on the list. Generation default. If there's like a Apple intelligence section in the settings, which there is, and you go into all the different features and can drop down a list and change the defaults to all of them. Yeah. Maybe there is a default for all of them that lines up. Maybe it's Gemini for everything, but then you can go on the list and change it. Yeah. My question becomes like how much is this going to impact your usage limits for all of these all these apps. Because if you accidentally like hit all your usage limits on Claude just by using your iPhone, and then you can't really use it on your computer, that's pretty annoying. Yeah. Will it and will it be a like an extension that plugs into your account with Claude, or is it just uh like a fully isolated instance of like asking Claude for something but has no context from your account? I imagine it will be key account. Because right now when you ask for something that Siri can't handle and it kicks out to chat GPT, that's not with the context of your account. You can sign into your account. You can sign in, okay. Yeah. But when it wasn't signed in, it was just w however many queries you want. Yeah. It didn't matter. The free version, basically. Yeah. Yeah. But there's still limits to the free version. So it's kinda and I don't think Apple's gonna want to pay that bill for a bunch of regular people. But it it would be interesting if you couldn't use all of the features of your iPhone unless you had an AI subscription plan from a different company. Interesting or apocalyptic? I don't know about apocalyptic. Definitely driving a lot of usage of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. If there's anything Siri can't handle, we'll just uh kick it out to any of these companies. Yeah. I mean maybe it's possible that these companies have are gonna have deals with Apple because they want people to use their product more, right? So if Anthropic wants people to people more adopt Claude and they say, oh, you can try Claude on the iPhone you can use Claude on the iPhone for free, and then it motivates people to use Claude on their desktop, then that's good for Anthropic. That's good for them. Exactly Apple intelligence story from last week. Yeah. I uh I decided to fire up uh what's it called? Gen Moji. I love Gen Moji, dude I use it all the time. Really? Because I I'm it's why biggest fan. I cannot get anything useful out of it. And to be fair, the story I'm about to tell is mostly user error. But what happened is I was like, I needed a uh a cowboy boot emoji. Yeah. And so I made one. I I searched I it's it was just moving really fast and I just searched boot and it it gave me a rain boot and I was like, Oh, I didn't get specific enough. Silly me. So I t put in cowboy boot and it put a cowboy hat on the rain boot. Wow That's incredible. Okay . That's so good. Last Apple story, and then we'll take it to trivia in a break. Yeah. Apple is gonna need to pay iPhone owners two hundred fifty million dollars for not delivering the AI Siri that they promised everybody. Yes. Wow. Give me my twelve dollars. Yes. Less the well twelve dollars is way too much. You're getting like a nickel. Yeah. I think it's actually it actually is more it's between twenty-five and ninety-five, depending on the circumstances. Every iPhone user gets twenty dollars. No, it's it's the people okay. Oh well let me let me tell us that 's a class testing lawsuit that alleges that Apple misled customers about Apple intelligence and has gotten Apple to paid between twenty five and ninety five dollars to each person that purchased an iPhone fifteen pro or any iPhone sixteen between June 10th, twenty twenty four and march 29th, 2025. The lawsuit is alleging that Apple gave people a clear and reasonable consumer expectation that Apple intelligence features would be available on these phones, while they ended up being significantly limited or sometimes entirely absent . Correct. Uh this is a story from The Verge, and they did speak they did reach out to Apple and Apple spokesperson Marnie Goldberg told them that the company decided to settle the matter so they could get back to focusing on building innovative products for their users . So it sounds like they just knew they weren't gonna win this, so they were just like, just take the money. I also think Apple just doesn't financially want to get involved in like the the circular AI we're developing a model buying chips from people who give us money to buy their chip. It's just you know. We know that you, the way from audience, Mrs. Andre w so much. We don't miss him at all, but you guys miss him. But if you want to see what he's up to while he's on paternity leave, he was recently on a disc golf tournament. What did you do paternity leave? Because he said he's on paternity leave and then he these videos are dropping and he's playing disc golf. Yeah. Um but yeah, there's a creators tournament that's being posted weekly, I think, online now. Uh you guys can go check him out and comment saying you're coming from waveform so we could uh oh yeah like take over their comments. A a comment takeover basically is what I'm proposing. Okay if Andrew wins what happens? And if he loses Okay, if he wins, he has to come back and host a solo pod. A director's cut narrating every shot he took. Yes. Okay, that's a good one too. That's so You're gonna you're gonna make him Jalen Brown . He would do it. He would do it. Well go watch his uh disc golf tournament. That'll be pretty fun. And now, the moment you've all been waiting for, that I'm also waiting for. Tribu Alright, first question. The Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. What was the size of the screen. Closest without going over. Oh man. Oh man, it was a touch screen. To the nearest desk. It was a little bit tall. It was it was like thirty two hundred by twenty eight hundred. That bezel would be thick though. They were thick as f it was real sick. Why do I know all these things but not the size of the screen ? Damn. You just know the vibe, you know. Yeah. I still have one. I I tripped over it yesterday. So it's on the floor. I'm not even joking. I tripped over it. I've deduced that it's on the floor if something tripping over it. David always keeps his laptops on the floor. This is the only time I see David's laptop on the desk when we're in this room. Yeah, it's on the form. It's always slightly ajar, you know, on the floor. It was this exactly $1,000 or no? I think so. I think it's $1.99. Everyone everyone loved that it was a thousand dollars. If you went to I.O. you got like four hundred dollars off. Oh right. Yeah. People love that. Because they would sell it . Because they would get it for cheap. I didn't sell mine. I bought it with hard earned cash. I also did that and then I reviewed it. Damn, Chromebook. I like that computer. It was cool because it was like it was good hardware. It was really, really thin. And uh Oxymoron. Good hardware and thin. No, the the Chromebook Pixel's existence. Oh of a oh, you only really need to do Chrome because it's a Chromebook and you kind of don't need to do much. Okay, here's a cheap Chrome computer. Yeah. Oh, oh, you want a premium laptop that does way more? Well it doesn't. It's just a Chromebook. Yeah. But you can spend a thousand. You don't really need it to do maybe more, but you just want the hardware to be nice, you know? And then like a nice chip and a bunch of RAM and all that. Using Chrome you want to be able to mm feel that hardware feels good. When you minimize the desktop and open up Chrome again. Yeah, that's right. You want it to be nice and smooth. That's absolutely you're absolutely right, Marcus. All right. Well, we'll think about that answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back . Support for the show comes from Zapier. 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We are here on the Waveform Podcast playing another game because there's no finging news this week. Whoa. Not enough. We just spent fifty minutes talking about news. Yeah. Four stories. Four stories and seven years ago. There was way more freaking news than this week. Yeah, you guys are yappers. It means tomorrow. Yeah. It's all gonna happen. Oh, it's all gonna happen . What state that was origin ally set in, right? New Jersey. Pennsylvania , which is the same city as Philadelphia, which is where the seventy sixers play. Why'd you just throw something at Mariah? Well, because there's no news. Yeah. I actually am gonna need that back. We're gonna play a game. Uh Adam says it's the newlyweds game, but contrary to popular belief, I'm not married to Marquez. Yeah. Uh may happen later. Yeah. TBD.. We'll see This is the same game we played earlier this year. Andrew uh adapted it for tech and in his honor, because he is on paternity leave, air quotes , we are bringing it back to play it again. So if you don't remember how to play, I will be asking you guys a question and you need to answer what the answer would be for your partner. So teams this week is gonna be David and Marquez versus Ellis and Mariah. Okay. Again, there's a plus five confidence boost. What does that mean? What does that mean? If you really know the answer. Yeah, we played it. I saw how poorly this went last time. I was fucking with this. If you really know the answer that your partner's gonna put down, you can confidence boost and you'll get plus five points. Remember when it did the iPhone one and we both knew that we were thinking like iPhone four S or something at the same time? We were locked in last time. We were locked. Actually, you know what? Maybe I'll do plus three. Plus five is like a plus five is kind of great. Yeah, it's three. Plus three. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. Anyone have any questions? I don't think so. Do you want to explain how it works for the listeners? Yeah. I I thought I just did. Listen up. No, you didn't. Maybe try it again. Here's how it works. You just said there's a confidence boost. Al Andrew's Jesus . Andrew's on paternity leave. Here's how it works. Adam is gonna ask us a question, like the whole group. Two of us are gonna write and answer that question. Then our teammates are gonna guess what we wrote on our boards. Thank you, Ellis. Thank you. Okay. I don't know what to do when you're not here by my side. I'm all alone over here. It's such a big table and just a little alone First question. All right. Uh who do I want to give this to? Let's see. Who gets first? Do you guys wanna decide? You guys decide. How confident are you in your partnership? Winner chooses. Wait, you guys are on the same team. That's okay. Okay. Well, it's it has to one or one or the other has to get the question, right? Yeah. So on three or after three. Rock play, risses, or shoot. Shoot. Okay. Yeah. Ready? Rock , paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I choose you to answer. Pikachu . So y'all two are going first. Okay. First question. What app would you say ? Wait, so I'm guessing when Marquez Radiroso code. How often do we talk about app? You guessed what I was saying. Yeah. So often. You know, when we text, it's it's all app talk. Yeah. I figured your whole Slack messages is just about apps. Okay. What app would your partner say is their guilty pleasure ? Oh. So you're saying what app your guilty pleasure is? Okay, okay. I'm wondering if you What do I even have on my phone? I'm wondering if you know this. Wait, so I'm writing what my guilty pleasure is and then Mariah is guessing. Yes exactly. So Mariah, you're guessing my dirty pleasure app. Guiltyty. Not dir pleasure. Definitely not dirty pleasure. Can I go back to my corner, please? I don't want to be here at the table . Guys, the lights are too bright. Waveform after dark Waveform after dark Wow, it's deeper than I thought it was. I wanna go home every time. Alright. Let's see if Marquette's gonna remember. What do you got? Okay . Um I had two things come to mind. I think yours is either some obscure camera app or it's literally Instagram. David would feel guilty for using a camera app instead of a camera camera app or something. But I also we earlier on this episode we were talking about how you wish Instagram DMs were separate from Instagram so you didn't have to use Instagram so much. So I think it's Instagram. Do I tell them now? Sure. Okay. I don't get pleasure from Instagram, I'll tell you that. Um we're so far away from guilt. I'm sorry guys. I will say it's Pokemon TCG Pocket. Ooh, it's the only game I have on my phone. Besides Bellatro. Why is that your guilty pleasure? Because I don't . You spend no money on it. Yeah. But I still have guilt for playing games. Why? Because we live in America. We should work that out in the game. You're not still doing Bellatro , right? I d sometimes on the subway. So it's good for the subway. Bellatro's offline. Yeah. Oh. Maybe I'll pick it up. Chess. Yeah. Oh, we'll get to that, Marcus. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think I'm putting all my eggs in one basket. I don't know much about Ellis, but I know . In our four years of uh working together. I'm gonna put all my money on the McDonald's app. Oh, that would have been good. Damn, that is good. The app I feel guiltiest about using because of everything that goes down on it is Twitter. Oh yeah. That's Valencia. That's Valencia. The Sixers meeters are unbelievably plentiful and Yeah. Yeah means Sixers Twitter has been a really safe place for me lately , but the rest of that app is an ocean of chaos. That's the hard thing about Twitter is it's still the people there are still the funniest people and the memes are still the funniest, but the the ratio of that to just like racism and sexism and nudity is We hate it. Sorry, Ellis, I let you down. It's okay. Damn. Maybe you guys could make it up with this one. All right. If your partner could get rid of one overhyped piece of tech from the last decade, what would it be ? Oh gosh. Just snap your fingers and it's gone. This is Marquez's writing. Yep. Overhyped piece. This is hard. This is hard. An overhyped piece of tech from the last decade. From the last decade. I mean I'm a hat er. So it could be New Soundboard Bite. Yeah, this is a tough one. I don't have an answer. I honestly. It could be software. It could be software. Overhyped. Yeah, an overhyped piece of tech. I I can get rid of it. Should I run it again? Let's give you a little more time. Yeah, run it again. Overhyped zip tech. This is a hard one. This feels like a cop out . It's like the first thing I can think of. But think about what your partner would think of. Ellis hates a lot of things. I know. Yeah, yeah, that's true. We're both haters. How do I pick my biggest hate? Overhyped pieces. Let the hate flow through you. One Mariah thing is overhyped so much. Well she thinks that you think it's overhyped? I don't have a good answer. I picked a normie answer. This is bad. Um I should just think of something on the spot. Overhyped that I wish never happened, get rid of it. That David would wish never happened. No no no. It's that no, it's Marquez and I guess what he Oh I'm sorry. You're right. I don't know. I don't play this. This is what he did last time . Okay. Uh nope. No. I feel like you don't want to get rid of it, right? Like you you don't want to get rid of it. But why do you think it's just overhyped? Say say you don't have to get rid of it. That's fair. Just to give a piece of tech that's overhyped from the last ten years. Yeah . They're like what it's it's whatever compared to the hype the people behind behind it . I don't know. I don't have a nical. He's a true lover of tech. Was it hype though? For some. Are you guys putting the same thing? I really hope you didn't write humidity icon . Okay . Damn. I mean, I have one that I think Marquez would put, but I don't think that he thought of it. Okay. So Correct. Yeah. This is a softball. I'm gonna say the humane AI pin. Just I think that's what he wrote. I at the last minute. Let's go. One point. All right. Yes. Yeah. Alice and Mariah. Ryan, this is a tough one because it hyped though. It was hella. I mean, before it came out, it was hella hyped. Yeah. They were hyped. That was hyped. Do you not remember like the year leading up? Yeah. We'd go on the website and it would be like, we're not gonna tell you what it is, but you're all f ed. They they all hyped it and everyone watched it and went, no, it's not. Yeah. Well, once they announced it. No, we all looked at them and went like, why are they hyping this so much? It's clearly not gonna be Expectations reality . No, it was internal hype, expectations, yeah, reality. That's true. That's true. Anyway, Mariah, I know you're a hater, but I also know you're someone that will live with the tech products you hate for some time. Uh there was a while where the slack was Mariah being like my pixel watch was driving me the shit. She loves the pixel watch. Correct me if I'm wrong though, didn't you lose a pixel watch because it fell off your wrist and into a trash watch? Into a wall. And you just decided you were not gonna get it like that it was a treat. I I reached into a trash can and it unclipped itself into the trash can. It was a walleye. I am home. I was gonna leave it at a Wawa. It was the first generation, by the way. Pixel Watch is good now, but the first gen was horrible. Audio listeners, it's still here. She's still wearing the Pixel Watch. My my instinct, you know, my first instinct is to to make it something gamer related, like gamer chairs. Gamers . But I think you wanted the point so bad that you went with a very banal answer, so I am also going to say the humane eye pin. That's really unfortunate because that's true. We should have both of us should have tripled down on that. I was not gonna what I was thinking that you should have said, Marquez, because I know that you just hate nostalgia. Pixel washes go though. I know that you're like a nostalgia hater. You're like this only exists because of nostalgia. Yes. Even though you're really hyped about backyard baseball coming back. Yes. I would have Which is also nostalgia. Yeah. Yeah. A final runner-up for the new soundboard was Marquez saying we've just invented this really new cool thing. But do you remember the old thing? That's a good one. Yeah, I would have said for you I would've done like emulators or something because it's all nostalgia. Mario Kart thirty nine or Mario Kart hat 's good. That's good. This is somehow turning into the hater awards, but I love it. I love this game . At what battery percentage do you think your partner starts freaking out and looking for a charger? Oh gosh. Huh. This is easy. Yeah, what what battery percentage do I start freaking out, Mario? I mean Ellis is living large now. He's got that man came from a mini. Yeah, he's no fear. He probably gets a three percent and doesn't even think twice. David. Yeah. I have a theory for this one. Okay. Is it like closest? Yeah, how close 'cause we need to be. There's a hundred digits. Closest without going over. Without going over. Yeah. Dad So what did you put ? Okay, I think I I got an answer. Okay. All right. I think I know what you would say. Alright. I'm ready. Should I go first? Sure. Yeah. Uh you're on an iPhone and when you hit twenty percent on an iPhone, it automatically switches the battery icon to red and switches to low power mode. And I think that's the exact moment you start looking for a charger. So twenty . Uh sixty-four. Ooh. You start to freak out. It's I have massive power anxiety, dude. I have battery anxiety all the time. No, it doesn't matter that it's the air. It does though. No. Yeah. Pretty much any air is never even over sixty four percent. Hey, my air is at ninety-four right now because I always keep it on the channel. We've been doing nothing for an hour. How's it at ninety four percent? Yeah, because I've been doing nothing. So it's drained six percent? Yeah, sitting there. Well. Yeah, I guess. Sixty-four percent on an iPhone 17 will last you the rest of the day. Yeah. 64% on a 17 Pro will last you like two days. No weekend. Either way, I get really anxious when my devices hit sixty four. Well I didn't. Yeah, so you're forty-four percent tiles off. Oh yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, so let's see what uh see what they get. What do you want to guess more at? I wish I had listened to you. I I feel like you could go feral. I think your phone could get pretty low before you. I have been known to be pretty feral around these parts. I'm thinking single digits. That's what I'll think. And my hunch is five percent. This is really my fault. I don't even know why I'm mad. Because I am fairly I put zero f ive percent I don't give a f anymore. I knew it. After that mini life, dude my, phone goes all the way down and I'm still fine with your phone being down. Because I'm on a pro now. That's the only number I can lose at. That's really . I wrote it down and then Adam says closest without going over and I knew I will say I knew that you would write zero. That's so I was gonna say like one percent. I was thinking three. As soon as I close without going over, I was like, well all of the numbers are over. That is that means we get the point. Yeah, we get the point by default. So for the hasn't got the point. You're insane. Like I I regularly just like fall asleep with it. Well the next question was going to be what is your current battery percentage. I just said David just said it, so I have to ignore that one. Yeah, but it's Marquez's. He said ninety-four. That's true. That is true. Okay, yeah. All right. Which which phone of his? Don't worry about it. That's that is fair. Okay, no, let's let's do the air. They're very different the air? What is the battery percentage on Mariah Marquez's phone right now? But are we doing closest without going over? Closest without going over. Without going over. Hmm. Interesting. Mara, what phone do you have right now? I'm sorry to all of my Pixel lovers that we are now on the S twenty four Ultra. Oh whoa. What happened? It's not by choice. Twenty four. What h . I cursed her, is what happened. And Mariah seems like a charges her phone every night kind of person. And Mariah drives to work, which means she charges her phone in the car. Sometimes does. And she sat at her desk for about an hour and a half this. What happened to your pixel? It fell one foot and the screen won't turn off . I cursed her. Was it a six? Uh yeah. Legendary. Yeah. You're probably the last remaining pixel six, but uh support ends in October, so it was fine. That's fair. All right. Um I'm gonna guess . Okay. I think that it's at without going over. Yeah, without going over, hit Marquez's iPhone A. I think it's 72, but I'm gonna give myself a little buffer room. I'm gonna say 69. Nice. Thanks. All right. What is it? 83. See? This is what I'm talking about. It's not that bad. Okay. Better if it's not that bad. Dude, it's 12 o'clock. Yeah, we're almost- We're not even halfway through the day. Wait, wait. He's done nothing. What phone? iPhone Air. iPhone Air. Oh, okay. But I feel really confident in my guess. So confident Oh snap or other could be a plus three. And I think Mariah has eighty-four percent battery or greater. And that is why I have ninety-one percent. Damn triple. I made it up. I made up for my zero percent gaff. Wow. That's nice. Plus three points for LS. A trip. Is that what they call it? A trip in basketball? When you get a triple? A three pointer? Sure, man. Yeah, it could work. Well, they call it a trip. Well, I don't want to Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. That works. Yeah, a trip. My baby got a lot of trips. All right. He got an okay amount of trips. Okay. I had the bobblehead. So the baby bobblehead. The baby bubble. Quick update on the score after that confidence boost by Ellis and Mariah now have four total points. David Marquez running up the rear with two. Okay. We can still get our confidence then. Lock it? Yeah. We gotta get this one. All right. Okay. Is your partner a read receipts person or a red receipts person? Oh. I'm guessing I'm I'm guessing Marquez. Wait, what? No, you're saying how do you say it? How do you pronounce it? Read or read it. We've had this we have literally yelled at each other about this so many times. I didn't know this was even a debate. Yeah. We debate all the time the way it's supposed to be said. Read receipts or read receipts. You write phonetically . All right. What do we got? I am not as confident in this as I want to. Oh my goodness. I know your answer. I'm not using it. But I think you say read receipts. David. Mark's incorrect. What happened to you? What happened? It's red. No, I said red. Read receipts. Okay. Oh my . And you say red. That's why I didn't use the confidence. That's why I didn't use it. We had to lock in more c.ut. I forgot It's okay. Damn. That's my fault. It's okay. Well, I'm correct, so it's fine. Ryan, I think you should use your confidence boost here. Do we each get one? Yeah. Oh. I think you should. I didn't know that. I thought it was one per team.. No, every player gets one We got a lot of that. I mean if you feel confident. I mean there's only one right answer. I think so. There is only one right answer. And I think we're in agreement. I agree with you. So I think you should use it. And it's a lot of talking. Are you using a confidence boost or not? I'm gonna use the confidence boost on snap. Read receipts . No, what the there's only one who says red receipts. Bro, okay, just listen to me. Listen to me, Mariah. What? Listen to me. Okay. A receipt, right? A receipt means the other person has seen it, correct? A receipt inherit- I r ate means that they have read your message. Yeah. A receipt is inherent ly a token generated by an action in the past. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. It's read. It's read receipts. What is it give me your logic? Did you read it? No. There's a receipt. They read it because you got the receipt. So is this team read and team reading? You are the one that got the receipt. You would never you would never say like this is a receipt of something I buy. You would say this is a receipt of something I bought because you did it in the past. This receipt It's a receipt, which is something that happened before. This receipt is a token of them having read my message. receipt or or tax receipt or whatever. We we use it's just a unique phrase of read receipt. Like we just happen to use these words next to each other in this way. No. And for whatever reason it's read receipt. Read receipt doesn't just doesn't work. They read it. They read it. Yeah, so you'd say they read it. And they got a read receipt when they read it. You no, you got a read receipt when they read it. They say read receipt? Read receipt. You do not get a receipt of your own message. This is fed up. I got her up to you. Why would you do this? I get the receipt. David, when do I get the receipt? When they read your message. When they read my message. I miss the end. Because they have so it's a read receipt. But they have read it by the time you get the receipt. No. When they read it, I get a receipt. Read receipt. No, th it's their read receipt, but it's your red receipt. How about that? What's the next question? We need to move on. This is disappointing. We've already done this debate many times on this podcast. Yeah, that's tough. You threw a head fake completely wrong direction. That's great. I love it. All that talking worked out in Marquez's favor. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Next question. I'll go a little easier this time. It's right. Okay. It is right. You can be wrong, it's fine. Ellison I are right. It's okay to be wrong. If your partner could only use one phone for the rest of their life, what would it be? Assume the phone is in working condition forever. How specific do I need to be? Like one phone at all? One phone. I I need model, yeah. It doesn't need to be like the gigabyte storage, you know, like whatever, but like a one phone phone person. That will work forever. It's a one phone person. Oh my god. But they can't switch off of that phone. What would it be? That's that's kinda tough. Oh it's for me? It's my phone. Your phone. Yep. So I oh yeah. You need to guess, David. I'm guessing, yeah. Okay. Ellis, I don't I don't know. Okay . I'm gonna guess the S26 Ultra. Why would you guess that ? Really? That's like I don't know. Really? Not anymore? No. One plus fifteen. Sh iPhone 17 from eye. Just give me the big one that'll get a ton of years of software updates. Oh, you thought way too practical. For you, I would have put HCC one M eight. Like this is the phone that I can use forever. That's a different question. That's a different question. One phone that you can use forever. Doesn't like assume it's working forever, perfectly functioning, perfectly, you know. A hypothetical phone that will work forever. Is it an S26 Ultra? No, I probably I mean I would probably use like an older like a favorite from past, but it's just because you were always switching back to both the S24 and the S25 ultras. But notably not the S26 Ultra. I know that . But I This is the first year he's like made it a OnePlus. Damn. Yeah. We tried. Yeah. But you didn't like the camera on the OnePlus, right? Not really. Yeah.. So that's why it was Yeah, but that's why he has an iPhone Air for that awesome single camera. Yeah, what are you even doing for photography? An Oppo Find X9 Ultra. You have three phones with you now? Yes. What? When did this happen? I have a backpack for that. vest Wait, but don't you have the the hustle blot in backpack? Not all the time. That thing is heavy as hell. Marquez, have you seen those harms? Do you outside? Do you know the harmonica vests? Kinda? Like if you if you're really serious about harmonica, you have one and every key. I think we might you're gonna get one of the phone vests. I got the iPhone Air pocket, the X9 Ultra pocket. Uh-huh. Michael Fisher used to have one of those. Yeah. The little dual chest strap thing.. I could do that I could rock that. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. Ellis and Mariah. The first thing I have to deduce is whether or not you answer this question realistically or fancifully and went with like a like a feature phone that is somehow like miraculously working on modern or if you w you know the realistic answer. I'm curious what Mariah would say. I kinda panicked, I'm not gonna lie. I think I know . Marquez doesn't like my answer. Yeah, I'm gonna assume that means you went realistic and if you panicked, it means you went with something reliable. So I'm gonna say that you went with your classic cor al pixel. six That's my guess. That would be the safe answer and probably a more rational choice than the pixel three A. Why would you have the Pixelel Pix 3A and it was the nostalgia. I missed the back. Didn't have the fingerprint on the back. Yeah, that's a good one. She's kinda cute. Yeah, but it's so much in my pocket. The teal power button, right? Is that the one? No, that's the two. Didn't it have different um the three A, I don't think, had that. I think the four the four I'm remembering the two. Was it the the four A had the three in a pink color or orange color? We had a big architect. The four it is. The four came in this s the the salmon. Not the four A. It was purely . Four A came in four. It was like S. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh yeah. Like salmon. Yeah. Salmon. It was just small, it's portable. It's not small. And it was affordable. The th the the three A was bigger. Well three A XL I think was bigger. No, but the no the three A was bigger than the three. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well. Yeah. It was annoyingly big. The nostalgia glasses. The A's are all big, which is annoying. Yeah, it was a terrible answer. I just find it hilarious that you chose an A series phone like Ellis was gonna get that. Yeah. Alright, we gotta lock back in. Lock. Alright. Lock back in. Lock back in. Stay locked out. We're locked out. We gotta lock in. Well one point ahead. But with no bonuses. No two points. Two points ahead. Two points ahead with ahead. But no bonus. We both have our bonus. They both have their bonuses. Okay. Next question. Window seat or aisle seat? Like what would Marquette? Oh, would I do? Yes. Oh yeah. But look how fun the buttons on the Pixel 3A are. Oh no. I'm actually I actually no that's valid. I was picturing this accent. You do book my flights, Marquez. Well Harper does. Crazy because I have logic for why you would say both. Oh yeah. But I think I know the answer. Yeah. This is another fifty-fifty splinter. Because of of booking in the past. Right. Because of I'ma use my Think of it . This is I can't. I'm not gonna say I can't use it yet. I can't use it yet. I can't use my confidence yet. Okay. My logic is David's bringing his camera. He's definitely gonna want a window seat to take pictures out the plane window. However, comma, I think I'm the only one who prefers a window seat when I've booked people in the studio. They either say, give me an aisle, or I don't care. So I think David is one of the Isle people . That's your official guess. Yeah. God . Always Windows C always windows. Is this question? Yeah, because I love you preferred windows? Yeah, always. Always. The only reason I say I don't care is so that other people can get Windows C. I think we're all Windows C people. Is this about when we're flying for I don't want to ask this question because I make me sound like a hole. Is this about business class or economy class? W Wow, you rich f I know. I know. It does matter. That drastically changed yes, that changes my answer. That's true, yeah. That's a big difference. So what is it? For me it doesn't matter. Well what'd you put down? I put down I can't say. that Oh, interesting. No, that just I I put down economy because I'm a man of the people. In which case you prefer one thing. But 100%. Okay. I think that helps me know what you said. Yeah. Well. Doesn't matter what you say. Okay. Well, with my deductive reasoning and my fifty-fifty percent chance of reading. Right. Um, I do know on United that the aisle seat has smaller foot room . What? Yeah. But I do know you're a man of long legs And so My legs the long way. That does make me feel like you would prefer more space. You like a view, but I feel like you value being closer to the snacks, which makes me feel like this is the most like LLM No wait you like a view but you also prefer I cannot answer this question and I feel like you are an ILC Nailed it, Mariah. Also we now . Soundboard 2.0 has a long way button if you go to page one . Waveform podcast the long way Okay. We gotta lock in. Damn. We gotta use our doubles if we never mentioned we updated the soundboard. You guys have been asking for weeks. It's true. There's a lot of new stuff on here. A lot of new sounds. We're trickling them out. Yeah. Nice. Alright. They'll be rolling out over the upcoming. Lock in. Lock in, lock in. We need this three pointer right now. Okay. Two two pointers. We need this tray. Try. Channel painter tray. Trip. Trip. We need this trip. Yep. Triple double flip. Your partner is making a list of specs in a Google Doc. Okay. Are they using dashes or bullet points? Oh no. What kind of question is this? No, dude, it's important designed to make you fight. Dude. Andrew and I. Wait, up, up, eh. Don't give too much away. That's true. I can't say . Well, I know, but Marquez is the one that's I'm guessing him. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I put. Okay. Andrew and I kinda co-write the podcast together and I use bullet points and he uses dashes and it's infuriating. And I'm sure it's also infuriating for him. That I use the bullet points I love the bullet points. Why? I don't know, man. I have a real big brain answer for this. I have a small brain answer and it proves that I'm right. That's also the big brain answer, surprisingly. All right. Foot Marie, what do we got? Smooth out your brain. Don't do that. Wait. We're not ready yet? We guessed. We haven't guessed yet. Oh you're right. I'm in trivia mode. Do not flip and read. All right. Should I trip it right now? Should I trip this? It is 50-50. Triple double fifty. It might be worth tripping. I'm gonna trip it. Trip. I'm tripping for uh bullets. Marquez. Thank you, Marquez. It's dashes for me, dog. It's dashes. You literally just said he uses bullets. No. No, I use bullets. Marquez uh Andrew uses dashes. Oh I see. Where do you think he got that from? Daddy. LSR . No, I'm just trying to we've definitely collabed on a Google Doc before. I just can't remember what you do, but I'm I believe so strongly that one of these is the right answer. And I believe that answer is dashes, which is why I'm gonna say Mariah. You're probably a bullet point person. Nice go. Nice. I knew if I went with my gut I'd be wrong. I should have known that too. I like dashes because you don't need to click the mouse. That's true. That's true. You don't need to click the mouse. If you just hit the dash button on a new on a new line and then hit space, it it goes into form But it turns it into a bullet. No, it turns into I think that's if you hit enter, it turns it into a bullet. No, it never it never turns it into a bullet. I do it all the time. I never Wait, so you do use bullets? No, I too I hit a dash and hit space and it makes it a bullet So in Apple notes I can say with a hundred percent certainty it's dashes. Yeah, but in it's Apple notes. But maybe The question was Google Docs. Yeah. It was about Google Docs. I think in Google Docs, it's also dash. I was gonna say wait, so what do you think happens? Let me test it out right now. So if you hit create a new line, yeah. Create a new line, hit dash, and then hit space, and then it should indent it. It stays a dash. Let's go. But it indents it? Yeah. It indents it, but it stays dash. But I think you might be thinking of tick-tick. Yeah, there's a couple apps that treat it differently. Damn. Yeah. Wow. Another zero. I'm sorry, how many points we got right now? Six points. All right. Marquez, you gotta you gotta use your trip on me. I d I do. You gotta know what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm trying to lock in. I'm locking in. Lock in. Yeah. Okay. All right. Hit me. Are we ready? If they had to use one kind of phone for the next year, would it fold or flip? Me? You gotta pick one. Oh god. Sorry. For the next one year. For the next year. Just a year. Okay. No. It's terrible. Right. No, it's okay, I'm the sound guy. Okay, I got one. I think I got one. I'm nervous. My eraser looks like pig pen from the peanuts. My board does because of the lack of quality of my eraser. I'm nervous. I think Mariah should go first. Mariah, what I put I feel like it's the opposite of what I would do. It is. You don't even know what I'm gonna say. I do know what you're gonna say. I do know what you're gonna say. I have tiny pockets, so I'd want the flip, so I feel like you want the fold. Exactly. Because I love I was really loud. I'm sorry about that. I love performatively reading, and there's nothing better than on a folding phone. It's like a book, but not. When you have the full a folding phone folded out and you're able to have two columns of text it actually is like a game changer. And it says look at me. Yeah. Yeah. Look at me. Not quite as much as it looked though. I'm pretty sure I'm better than you. I don't want to use my columns. Even in your fantasy, you have sixers going to the game seven. I be careful. I'm like 78% sure of this one. 78, not sixty-seven? But unfortunately that makes twenty-two percent unsure, which is like one for five. Yeah. And I don't I think you would want to max out and get a fold. It's one year. You could you could edit photos, you could use yeah, I would I'm gonna go with fold. Fold, okay . I didn't use the confidence. You did not use the confidence. Yeah. I wasn't confident. Yeah. I haven't used a flip a flip since the first Z flip. They're fun. Yeah, yeah. The flip sevens. Fantastic. The new ones are great. Yeah. I should try one of the new ones. It's been a while. Okay. All right. Next question. We didn't fall behind. No. We need to heat a hit a huge three to cut the lead to one. Huge trip. Huge trip. Yeah. Yeah. What is one thing that your partner actually uses AI for? Go. Oh I don't yeah I don't know editing his videos. I've answered this on the podcast already. Am I allowed to guess nothing? Sure, yeah. That' ensough. Oh, I wish I could use my trip right now, because I know this. Damn . Wait, why can't you use your trip? Because I already use trad already. I think I know this, I might not . Wait, no. Oh wait, wait a day I I guess I didn't have to write it down. Okay, I wrote well I I'm saying brainstorm ing. Okay . That is does that count? The second thing I use it for. But the number one thing I use it for. Use it for emails? Yeah. And you guys all looked at me like I had my head chopped off. Um I hate when I get an email that was clearly written by AI. That's why I make it unclear. Keep 'em guess. Yeah. Honestly, all the emails AI talking to AI anymore. At least I didn't use my trip, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. True. That's also what it yeah. My first instincts were is that you wrote you don't use it for anything, but I do know of one thing that you used it you use it for occasionally and I just don't know if you put it or not, but because it's so infrequent, which is when you had a pixel editing photos to make them funny and slack. Like you did the one of you f touching the ceiling and jumping really high. Oh yeah. Um That's funny. But I don't think you did that. I think you wrote nothing. I think nothing was my default, but then I realized I actually do use it only to compile lists. So I'll I'll feed it like an image that I want it to turn into a list or a receipt and I want it to break it down. And that's all I really want to do. Wait, that's actually a really smart use case. Yeah, I'm not gonna do the math. I don't figure it out. It's valid. Otherwise, nothing. Okay. Well, score is still seven to three. Let's go. Lockck in in,, lo lock . Who has their trips left? Only Marquez. Just me. I guess I gotta use a soon. Okay. How many questions are left? Um I have enough for us to win. I have five questions left, but AI has like 30 pulled up. So okay, David. Yeah, I'm ready. Lock. Locked the f I'm in. Locked and loaded. Speaking of locking in, great segue. What is one sign that your partner is locked in and in the zone and should not be bothered . Me ? So y'all are they're answering? Who just a sign? Okay, yeah. I think that was a pretty clear one. Okay. Try to think if there's any others . Quick reminder, the only one with a trip is Marquez. I think I'm gonna use it. Really? Damn David, I think this trip thing might stick. Mike baby with the trip. Yeah, why not? Sure. Elsa is still writing. Sorry, I I I I wrote tried to write letter but it looked like another letter and I didn't want the the viewers to laugh at me. They're gonna do that anyway. They o they and I welcome it very I'm wearing a blue dog. All right. Should I go first? Yeah. I'm I'm using my confidence. Oh snap. Okay. Use trip. I think when David's locked in, he's got his air pods in. Don't interrupt what he's doing. He's he's in the zone. Okay . It's just like my airpods on. He's got headphones on somehow. Yeah. David. Uh does this count? I can't hear you. The f does that mean? What do you mean by that? Okay, you know when okay, it's like when I'm locked in, right? I'm like I'm working on something and I'm thinking really hard and someone's like, Hey David, David, David, and I can't hear them. Oh because you have headphones. Well, some sometimes you because you have headphones Your own partner is like no. I can't hear you because I have headphones on. Yeah. I feel like that's close enough. I think that's fair. Yeah, it's the trip. He's got metaphorical headphones on. Yeah. Brainheadphones. What is your competitive spirit? For the sake of the game, I'll give it to him. Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. That was the most roundabout way of saying that though. Now it's six to seven. Ah. You better get this right. After selling our team out like I think if you're at work here, I think the door is closed. Boom, baby, let's go. That's like the most obvious thing. That seemed like an Ellis question. Yeah. Give me a little reverb right now. Let's go . Nice. I actually thought that that was long time. Like Ellis' answer was obviously if he's like into audio room wear clothes, whatever. I thought the obvious other answer was you're wearing headphones. So I was like, this will be an easy point. Yeah. But so did I. You both got it. I wear headphones all the time. Like I wear headphones like 80% of my waking life. Wait, was that was that because his confidence answered? That was. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So now it's eighty. But he got it right. He got it right though. It's okay, we're still. By two. F all right. All right. All right. The score is eight to six. All right. How many more questions do you guys want? Enough for us to win. So three? Three more questions? Three more questions. All right. We've got three more questions. Yeah. Correct. Can't miss it's a game winning three. Yeah, we gotta get perfect score. Lock the f game winning trip. Lock in. Game winning trip. Mike Bibby. Mike Bibby. As they say in the league. Bibby style. Bibby style. y All right. Bab bubblehead. Do you think Mike Bibby listens to this podcast? God, I hope so because he used to be one of my favorite players. Yeah, he's lit. Yeah. Just like Slavakovic or whatever his name is. Stoyakovic, close. Stoyakovic. Nice, nice. Look at you, David. I'm so proud of you. Hey, man. David knows ball. I live near Sacramento. Near. All right. Yeah, no. What is the screen time on your partner's phone right now? Uh screen time. For the day. Delta close going over. We'll do Delta with this one. Which phone? What would you consider as your primary phone? The one plus fifteen. I have one more question. Is it listed as a decimal, like blank point blank hours? Hours and 15. Hours and minutes. Hours and fifteen . It listed an hour and fifteen increments. In my head, I was just picturing like eight hours and fifteen minutes. So I said fifteen. Clearly. Screen time today. Screen time today. Oh tod thus far today. Like thus far today, yeah. Today . Mind you, what time is it? Is it uh it is now twelve fifty-three in the PM. Okay. Alright, I'm gonna guess . One hour, fifteen minutes. One hour and fifteen minutes. Marquez. I think you're under. Ooh, 13 minutes off. Oh no. Marquez but one hour and twenty-eight minutes. Let's go. So you're 13 minutes off. We're locked close. All right. That's about as close as I think you're gonna be. Can Mariah and Ellis beat this? I'm gonna try to live my day in the world of Mariah and take a while I think it's like twelve fifty-four. Mariah's like twelve hours fifty-four. I think Mariah wakes up unbelievably early due to the horrors. I think Mariah is confronted by the horrors sufficient fair guess. The screams. Yeah. Almost immediately. And resolves this by going on her phone. I think this begins at approximately ten AM . That's when work starts. Mariah . I think thus far today. Does does driving apps count as screen on time? Yeah. It does. It does. It takes you into account. CarPlay, however, does not. I think you've used your phone for two hours. Oh man, I'm already wrong. Two hours and twenty-seven minutes. Okay. So So I have to preface this with I have to switch to the S24 Ultra. It does fun things. Fun things that punish you. And that means that when you plug in your phone, you can have it show a little picture slidesho ws. How cute. When you plug it in overnight, it counts that as screen time. Um Really? And so I'll wake up and it'll say 10 hours of screen time. I'm like, that's crazy. I've been unconscious. Um, and so today it decided that I have had five hours and nine minutes of screen time. Wow. Which means it didn't even show pictures all night long. So what's the point? I think we should you should be a professional phone reviewer, Mara. You're actually finding the craziest. That was good. This was a huge problem. Oh, that point goes to Marquez and David. Sorry. This is the one. We were doomed from this . We only need two more points and we've only two more points to miss a one question. It is not enough . It is not enough that we need to make one we need them to be tie. Yeah I know. In which case there's we got a shot.. Oh my god It's game seven. Oh, I've been here before. Game seven. All right. Yeah, it said on uh Sunday I had eleven and a half hours of screen time. Damn. And half of that's from the Google Photos. Eleven and a half hours. Wow. That's a lot. That's wild . Okay. Next question. For the tie or to pull away, how many unread emails are in your partner's main inbox right now? Marquez's. Yep. Oh my no, it's yours. It's mine? You're talking about like personal email. Or work email. So how many emails are your inbox? I my main email. Main email. Yeah. Exactly. Unread emails. Because I know David has like the all inbox features with like a thousand. Yeah, you're supposed to look main. By main you mean my like my professional one, right? It just says ninety nine plus. It doesn't tell me. Main isn't professional, not like my high school that I use for spam, right? On desktop I think you can see the full number. I'm just gonna go by the number that's on my iOS icon red. Okay, yeah that's it. Should I do that too? Sure. But that's also got my spam email in it. Okay, fine, screw it. Let's do that. Should we do it? Yeah, why not? Just do just do the number on your home store. Do it all. It's really important. Is this quote is this We'll do delta with this one. We'll do Delta. No, wait, that's gonna be crazy. Okay, closest without going over. I don't want to do math. Yeah. Close us without going over. Okay. Closest without going over. I feel like you have commas in your number. Oh man. We're the worst. We are the worst . To be fair, I I really try to to make this better every week and it never gets better. It doesn't matter. It compounds. It does. It's okay. I these numbers are terrible. They're gonna be atrocious. Is this like your oldest email you've got This is like the Gmail icon on your home screen. So it accounts for all of your emails. Oh, it like compounds all of them. I think so, yeah. Oh. Um , this is thousands of emails. I can't speak. I'm not gonna make any faces. I just want you to dig deep into your heart and give me the perfect number, Maria h. I think this has to be But don't go over. Yeah. At least I'm gonna say a round number, 10,000. Okay. 10,000. Mariah , go to dance. Whoa. Crap. What's the answer? The answer is 10,000 and 97. That's so good. How many emails, like accounts do you have? I think I have four. Disturbing the first. This is closest with going over, but not delta, right? Yeah. I have to get within 97 of your number without going over. Or the game is over. No pressure marquez. This is your we're asking you to make a double coverage logo three. It's game time. And David's without question, a ridiculous number. But how ridiculous. It's more than that, if I had to guess. I do think so. They did sit next to each other for a long time. For sure, comma in there. David asked about Oh, true. The icon and the spam email and all kinds of other stuff. So I'm going with like uh almost an Olivia like number here. I think you have like let's go with thirty-four thousand and six. Can it go that high? We're about to find out. No, I have eleven thousand nine hundred and twenty-seven. That means Marion Ellis w in the game. Oh my god. Well played. Wow. That's an incredible snipe, ten thousand emails. That was really good. That that was crazy. It feels appropriate. You know how they say if you have ten thousand hours and something you're a master? Ellis is a master. How many onwrite emails do you think I have right now? I don't know, like one. Yeah, I was g I was excited to guess for you because I know that's probably it's probably one or two. It's zero. During it it'll be how many I got as we sat during the podcast. As we've sat here. If I got to guess from Arquez, it would have been incredible. We would have gotten the point. But yeah, there's really no no knowing how many emotional given time. Thirteen . That's a lot for the past six. Just sitting here. Yeah. That's crazy. Not bad. All right. Well we're gonna take it to ad break while Mariah and I h igh five a few times and then um we'll be back. But we gotta do trivia questions, right? Oh my god, I forgot. Oh yeah. Do we do them from here? Uh yeah, because I have my question memorized because I'm a freaking 'cause he's a bowl of beast. I love that. That might be my favorite one. That's so good. Guys. Yeah. Guys. Yep. We're all excited for the Pixelbook Glow because it has lights on the outside. That's right. But I don't know if you remember back in the day, MacBook also had some lights on the outside. Talked about it last week. Real dorks will remember that the light on the outside of the MacBook, that glow in logo, was not actually a dedicated component. What component already present in the laptop was used to illuminate the logo. Thank you. Cool. Um grok context, please. Oh uh uh Mariah you will be answering for Andrew. Yes, this week. I'm so sorry, Andrew. What's it called in the hunger games? When they're like tribute. Is that what no? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. 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We do have one individual um who was uh taken to the biocontainment unit early early this morning and we uh assessed that individual um they are doing well possibly because this is not the one to freak out over. Today Explained drops every weekday afternoon. Welcome back. Um there's a post on our subreddit that I want to address. No David. It says that says uh which people do you think hate each other on waveform? We all love each other guys. Yeah, we're it's not like that. Like I like the the post said that Ellis and I hate each other, which is crazy. Yeah. Because I would we would kiss in the Vision Pro if we could. David and I would have one. Literally every Wednesday, David and I get Chinese food for breakfast together and drive to work. It's it's not like that. Shut up, bad! So I just wanted to say that everyone here loves each other. Deeply is good. That's very good. Oh my goodness . Exactly. Adam loves that new button so much. So good. You gotta chill with that button Yeah. So yeah, there wasn't a lot of news this week. Yes, but people did tag me in something that I had no idea what was going on and I was like, Well, what are you talking about? And then I figured that I would ask David here on the pod because I have him here on the pod. Okay Okay. To talk about your picture going viral. So I saw your tweet. Okay. Well, okay . I first saw it quote tweeted on Twitter. So someone else tweeted it on my timeline and then I saw that I'd clicked in and it had like 10,000 retweets or something. Yeah. And then I saw I opened up threads and I saw it on threads too from you this time and it had I think eight thousand likes on threads. Yeah. Yeah.'s So it it's a certified banger. What is the post? Okay. And what happened? Um and where were you? I just want to ask: do you guys know what a visual metaphor is? No. Yes. No, not on the internet. Those don't exist. Can you describe a visual metaphor, Marquez? Well, a simile is when you compare things using the word like and a metaphor is when you compare things without using the word like. Wow. So instead of saying this car is like a boat, I would say this car is a boat. Anyway, a visual metaphor is comparing things visually without using any this is kind of like this language. Yeah. Okay. Is that what your post was? Okay. So I just want to give you some cut- Yes. Okay. So sick. Uh last Saturday I walked twenty nine thousand steps because it was a really nice day. Weird flex, but okay. Just gotta let you know. I respect it. Uh I'm still in pain. So anyway, I got to my destination, but I overshot it by a little bit. There was a little park there. So I sat in the park. And it's classic New York, beautiful, like late afternoon, sun-setting park. Uh in New York, there are these chess tables where they're tables that have like the chessboard like embedded in the stone table. You know, iconic New York situation, right? And I was sitting there and I saw this guy sitting on his t chess tables with his laptop like in his lap playing chess on like a chess like chess dot com at least website. Yeah, chess dot com like on the chess table with no one across from him. And I was just like visual metap hor. Right? This is the photographer's eye you've trained for years. So I use my iPhone Air at 6X Zoom. From very far away. It's really bad. But it's what David, you know what they say about the camera you have on you. It's the worst. It's the worst. You know, I made sure to crop out any identificating features about him. I only had like his hands with the laptop so you could see the screen that was the chess app or the chess website with the chessboard. And I made sure to shoot it from high enough down so you could see the the chess board the on the table. Anyway, I was just like , I just put it on social media and I said 2026. Yeah. Because it repres it's a visual metaphor because it represents the fact that we are no longer playing things in front of each other, doing connection in front of each other. Now everything you do is online and you're connecting with strangers that you don't really know. Metaphors hit a lot harder when you explain them. I mean, apparently I have to. This is what okay. This is what 's the beef? Most of their quote tweets and the replies and everything were just like, Well, who is he supposed to play with? There was no one on the other side. I was like, Yes. That is the entire point. Yeah. That's what makes it a good thing. And there were people that were like, don't judge, don't judge strangers. And I was like, I'm not judging him. They're judging them. It's a vi it's a visual metaphor for our society. Your caption was 2026. That's all the catch. Like it's it's a vision it's clearly saying like this picture represents this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do see how this could be threads rage bait. I'm not gonna lie. Ooh, talk about it, Maran. Rage bait? Talk about it. Some threads that are just kinda like look at this thing. Yeah, but I didn't say look at this guy, what a loser playing chess by himself. You know what I mean? Like it's it's something generic enough, it hits a mainstream audience and then there's no nothing to guide the interpretation, so it's just open to what anyone thinks. The problem with all algorithmic social media. You disagree? Sorry. No, I want your take, I want your take. Well no, I disagree with Mariah. I think I think man, I don't want to insult people. Yeah, look at these comments. It's almost as as if he needs another person to play chess. Yes. They're taking a literal interpretation of it and they're not understanding the visual metaphor. I think this screams that you know we talk about like media literacy being in crisis, like to me this is like a slam dunk of of media literacy. Like like it it it could could it's like the if we lost the ability to process like symbolism yeah yeah what like social media just flattens everything to which to Mariah's point is the mainstream like once it hits that mainst ream audience, you lose all that. You lose a nuance. Yeah. Yeah. And you get like Karen from Ohio. Like I think Yeah. Where's the other person? But that's that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a big problem. It's like a big problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it was such a beautiful post. And thank you for people tagging me, telling me to talk about it. Yeah. It seems like it started a conversation, good or bad. So I think that's probably the most interesting part of it. Yeah, it hit the Twitter number one what's happening today thing. Someone sent me a screenshot of that. You know what's super funny too is the amount of people that like acquaintances that I have that sent me like meme compilation pages that just stole the post and like removed my name. So I was gonna say that's how I first saw the picture was someone just posted your picture and like had a caption like this is what's wrong with 20, and I was like, okay, scroll right by, whatever. And then I saw yours and I was like, wait a second. Yeah. This is David's picture. Yeah. So he tweeted this six years ago. Now I know what it feels like. Yeah, exactly. Now I know what it feels like to uh have someone just rip your content and make put it on meme pages and stuff. Yeah. But I've had a ton of people send me like various meme pages that just it's like whatever I don't know. Marquez has no experience with that. Not at all. I was gonna say welcome to the life cycle of a viral social media post. It will be stripped of its context and redigested by every other commentator in their own angle. Yeah. And there's nothing you can do about it. The thing about social media that I that I think sometimes is interesting. Okay, I had a conversation. This is an off-con off-camera, off-kilter, random con versation I had with uh a YouTube engineer about features that they could add or not add to YouTube. Okay. And they told me, you know, in in a few words that they tend to be pretty minimal with the features that they add or don't add. And algorithmically they they could make big changes, but they tend not to. And they let people's algorithms reflect them. Like they could choose to push certain things or or even uh remove certain things from the algorithm because it would be better for society in their own judgment. But the second you make a judgment and influence it, then slippery slope you you have to judge a whole bunch of other things. There's also all the section two thirty problems that come along with that. So his his basic stance was like YouTube is like a it's so dense with media and so many people and so much stuff that it's kinda just like a mirror of society. Yeah. And uh all the good and all the bad. And when a post goes viral, it's like unnaturally exposing your art to the whole world. Usually it doesn't work that way. Usually you expose it to the audience it's designed for. Yeah. And that's it. But on social media, you can sometimes expose it to the entire world, which comes with all of the interesting positive interpretations, and then all of the random people who were never meant to see this who have all sorts of nonsensical things to say about it. Right. And yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah. Well it's kind of a bummer when there's even like when it's stripped of there's even there's things like cultural context, right? Like when when you're shown to the entire world on a platform, yeah. All of the context is just like you're gonna be shown to people who just do not understand what you're trying to say or like what you're doing demographic is no longer the only audience of that thing. So I don't know. I don't even care about the you know the meme pages stealing it and stuff. I just thought it funny that like multiple of people that I know sent it to me. But it's more I was more frustrated by like 80% of the replies and quote tweets. Just like a lot of them, I think they did understand the visual metaphor, but they were rage baiting by quote tweeting and being like, what a f dumbass. I just that's also how people get likes themselves. I know. Hop onto the thing. No, dude. That's regular. There's a guy that quote tweeted me and he was very nice. He said, this photo deserves a pull it, sir. Ooh. And his his quote tweet got like almost as many likes as the post. And then I saw him post like later wow my posted numbers was like you didn't make a post you just quote tweeted my post what is social media anymore it's like it's just like big competition. It's hard because it it makes me like kind of not want to engage and interact on platforms. I I've been thinking about this so much for the last couple of years. Like I'm less and less inclined to say anything on social media anymore because it feels like the incentive structures are all leaning towards people having opposing opinions to you. Most inflammatory possible response will be rewarded the most. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so like having any opinion or posting anything, people are just going to come for you. And it's like, why am I even putting this out into the world if I'm just inviting people to scream at me? I'm going to clip that, put it on TikTok. Good. Then I'm gonna repost it after you do that. We live in the clip economy now, baby. Yeah. So anyway. David, thank you for uh explaining that to me because I had no idea what they were talking about until they tagged me in it. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service to the world. You're welcome. It deserves a Pulitzer. Alright, on to triv ia This is my new trivia starting But also the timeout. The timeout gesture. Making a T with a technical foul. This is trivia. I was gonna say like I just feel like you're giving me a tech . Ellis. Trivia tech. If you can call it a tech, you should be able to call it a trip, just saying. Got him. That's I like it. I'm on board with this trip whole situation this whole trip situation. All right. Question number one. Chromebook Pixel came out in twenty thirteen. This is Mariah's first time hearing this question. So So you have to answer for Andrew. Okay. What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over . Of the nearest device? The Chromebook Pixel that came out in 2013. It was a laptop. Excellent. A Chromebook. I wasn't laptop. Yeah . Ellis only came on live in 2014 . That wasn't one with the light bars, was it? It was. Oh shoot. I didn't have that one. I had the one that folded in half. That like folded over itself. The pixel book. I had the pixel book. No, yeah. Chromebook Pixel. Oh 48. Yep. The CR forty eight?? C R seven That was OG. One of them. I don't know. Oh, but he's talking about the first premium one. Yes. Okay. That was nine . Matte black unbranded with a light bar. It was sick. Had a light bar? Or maybe not a light bar? I think the premi priummo one had the is a light bar. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got ? Mmm . We have a resolution. All over the praise. Alright, who wants to go first? Uh I wrote 12 inches. Okay. I said fourteen. Okay. I was thinking Chromebook size, so I said like ten. All right. The winner standard size. Wait, what about Ellis? No, Ellis is what about Ellis? Oh, right, right, yeah. I was just thinking about you. You know? As always. Because I because I love you. I love you too. Okay. I'm I'm teeing you up with a poor I thought it was like. Oh no that can't happen when it's supposed to. It's funnier out of context. I have a f I'm afraid that it's between twelve and fourteen. Wait, so what size is it? It is Come on, baby. Fourteen point two. Twelve point two. 85. No, let's go. David gets the point. Let's go. Damn. I forgot laptops used to be smaller. Yeah, little babies. All right, that's it. Netbooks. I had one of those with the So good. I can't believe I you know when I put that button in there, I was like, I don't think we're gonna use that that much. All right. Guys what made the logo on the back of the old MacBook Pros gl ow closest without going over the CPU the CPU technically it powered it who's to say really what feels anything in the computer? God . Oh Andrew, come back. It's all computer. Everything's computer. Everything's a part of it. Everything's computer. It's beautiful. All right. I also don't know the answer to this, so I'm gonna wait. Yeah, I'm gonna wait on the other. This is one of those perfectly structured trivia questions where I don't know the answer, but because of the way it's formatted, I learned the answer and I'm pretty sure I'm right. Cool. All right. I cool. I did I thought this would be more of a layup. This is hard. I have a guess. I just don't know. Yeah, let's see it. David, you put I wrote the L C D uh Marquez, you put The L C D backlight. Right, you put I put display, but I meant also L C D or God. The way an L C D screen works, for those who don't know, is you have these , I believe they're um Light emitting diodes. No, L C D. So you have these you have these like liquid crystal, I think they're based on like quartz, these structures, and they they can twist, right? When you run current through them, they they have the ability to twist. And when they twist certain ways, they can block light. When they twist other ways, they they don't block light. Liquid crystal. So what you do is you put a big light behind that called a back light. Yeah. And then the each crystal will twist and untwist and that's what uh you know blocks the light and creates different pixel color, brightnesses, whatever. Um so the way that the glowing logo and those old metal MacBook Pros, if you're ancient uh and remember, um