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Get 40% off today with codeAWAVVE at checkout at che.fiqcom. That's codeWAVE at chefiq.com. Then they got to California stuff for OS 10.9. Okay, Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan. Yeah. Okay, great. California. Sierra. High Sierra. California, California. Mojave. California. Catalina. California. Big Sir . Now we're just obscure. Monterey. Monterey's not obscure. Ventura. Monterey is not Ventura is not obscure. Sonoma's ventura. Obviously didn't know Ventura was a place. Because you guys are not from California. Exactly. It is a little obscure. Most people aren't from California. Apple statistically in the United States . Most people are from Thomas. Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. So we've got a big week for you. It's the week before WWDC. So we'll have some predictions, some stuff to talk about. We've got a lot of watch talk also. Apple Silicon competitors are starting to pop up and uh this is part of a bunch of stuff that's competing with Apple's world, but NVIDIA RTX Spark. We gotta talk about that. Yeah. And then Google is letting website owners opt out of AI overviews and some Microsoft news. So let's just dive right in. All right. But first of all, if you haven't already subscribed on YouTube, this is definitely a shout-out. I know a lot of people actually don't subscribe, but then it shows the video when we launch on the homepage anyway, because you just go to the homepage. But if you want to make sure you definitely see every new episode, subscribe and hit the little bell. And then when it comes out, you'll be able to go, oh, pod on time. Or oh pod late. Or chapters working. Or that's your Here before chapters broke. That's your alarm. I just came here to have a good time, record a podcast. I feel very attacked right now. Well, that bell will be your alarm to go do your dishes. So you can just wait until the bell goes off and then you go do your dishes. Yeah. And if you're subscribed, you'll always get here before the chapters break. That's right.. That's very important Yep. Uh but first, did they even test this? I think Ellis has one first today. I do and I'm kinda nervous 'cause I sort of feel like whenever I have a uh did they even test this, it's just on me. Like it's Did you even Google this? I have a few ideas. But but you know, okay, so I have been trying to uh broaden my worldview, and by that I mean uh use non-Apple products more and more lately. And uh you know, eagle-eyed viewers of the podcast may have noticed I've had a series of different Garments on my wrist for the past few weeks. Today it's the Phoenix 8 OLED dinner plate ed ition. I think solar, right? Not solar, the MOLED. MOLED X uh Ben 10. Because this thing is ginormous. But and I don't know if other Garmin users do this. One thing that I really like about the Garmin, I think maybe is that you when you do strength workouts, you can put sets, reps, exercises, weights in, and then it's like nice thighs or whatever. I don't I don't know. To be honest, I can't figure out how to use the data. I've never used that. I've used Garmin for years and the sets and reps ing, I always just my strength workouts I essentially set up a bunch of different cardio workouts with just names of what I'm doing that day. So I just know so the general. That's what I've been doing for a long time too, but I was curious if I could get some sort of insight into I don't know. I even saying this out loud, I'm like, dude, what are you doing? But um I was just curious about the whole the whole platform. And uh um when you're doing upper body workouts, it's reasonably accurate. Like I would say it gets the right exercise 75% of the time and gets the reps right about 50% of the time. I do like the interface on the ammo led Phoenix. Uh it makes it very easy to like change what how many sets of reps. But after workout, if you would like to correct Garmin's mistakes, you must do it in the Garmin Connect app, which is already not awesome. It's an app. It's an app. It is a app. But the thing that I is my did they even test this is I have found the search bar to when you want to correct a work, an exercise, to search for the correct exercise is the most difficult to use search bar I have ever used in my entire life. I don't know, I cannot figure out the keyword logic. I cannot figure out anything about it. Have you searched in Gmail recently? it's so much worse than Gmail. Like so yesterday I was doing one legged leg presses with like a stability pad and I had given up I knew there was not going to be a stability pad option, right? I'm in PT, I'm fixing my ankles, I'm fixing my calves. And uh so I was like, okay, so I Googled leg or I excuse me, I put leg into the search bar. Nothing came up. I put press into the search bar. 50 million options came up, obviously, because of all the press. I put leg press into the search bar and leg press showed up. Not what I'm looking for. I've did one leg at a leg press. So I put one leg, nothing again. I put one in, nothing comes up. I put one arm just because I put single, nothing. It's just like I literally cannot figure out for the life of me how to find any exercises in this. And then it's compounded by the fact that like I'm what I think a lot of people would call like a fitness moron. Like I really don't I'm still like learning what I'm doing in the gym , um, which I think makes me a great candidate for a product like this. But I'll be like, I don't know what this exercise is called, and then I'll try to like go into Google and be like exercise where you're on one foot and you take the thing and you swing it and like you know, like, and it'll just be like, that's a Czechoslovakian double foot . Bulgarian Bulgarian like actually to Garmin's credit, Bulgarian split squ Those are very common. If you search Bulgarian, it does actually come up. That is like the hardest exercise you could possibly do. So I fall over every time. Oh, have you guys used the the hydro tube with those? And my PT, they gave they give Is that for balance? It's it's sick, Marquez. That's like um I I I'm picturing something, but I want you to describe it. Okay, picture like a four-foot hot dog filled with 15 to 30 pounds of liquid, depending on how much it's like filled that day. And it's sloshing around. And so you put it over your shoulders like that sounds sweet. That sounds awesome. Like the barbell is that what that's called ? Boom, like a barb ell. Yeah. And then not only do you have the weight of the water, but it's sloshing around. So you have to activate your core and your shins. It was sick. But obviously there's no way to put that in your in your garbage either. Anyway, so I would like to amend this. Did they even test this to um please help? I mean to be fair. Someone tweet at me and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Because it it can't it has to be me, right? Like there's no way this premiere fitness app has is this I think it's a little bit of both. The thing is there's there's it's all about like you say you're a beginner and there's people who are more advanced, like every exercise has a variation and a different name, and to some extent I just kind of lump a lot of different exercises into into like a bigger category because it almost doesn't matter when I'm logging it. So if something is just in PT, I'll just label it all as PT and oh whatever edge. I just or like if leg press was still in there, even though you're doing single leg leg press with a whatever. I'd probably just label it leg press. But you prove that the search function is broken because you typed in leg press. You typed in leg and nothing came up, right? And then you typed in leg press. Leg press come up. But and it's like also it's like, am I crazy? Like I feel like a single leg a single leg leg press is not like a arcane, mysterious exercise. No. Pretty common. Yeah. So RPG. Anyway, I guess I also, without turning this into the Waveform Fitness podcast, uh, when you guys are tracking strength stuff. Are you looking at macro data, like like data across large periods of time? Because that was my thing is like if I log all these workouts after a month, I will hopefully see some sort of macro trends that I'm interested in. But I'm curious, I don't know even what I'm looking at. What kind of data are you trying to look for? I don't know. I'm just I was sort of overload kind of thing. I was just sort of hoping I would log it and then the Garmin app would be like, here's what you need to know. But it doesn't seem like it's ever gonna be like here's what you need to do. I highly doubt the Garmin app is tuned to actually give you advice. Okay. It's probably just for hard data. I wouldn't be surprised if it's coming soon though, with some sort of AI coaching because of their screenless band that's rumored for this year. Garmin has fighter jet money. Why do they need me to pay a subscription? That's ridiculous. But the Fitbit Air keeps winning. Keep stays winning. One more thing about fitness. Okay. I successfully heard from one of my friends, and I don't know if this was the intended result. One of my non-techie friends, she said that we successfully de influenced her from buying a Fitbit Air. You know what's funny about that? That's so funny. I just got back from uh California for an unnamed shoot. But while I was there, yeah, I'll you guys will find out soon enough what that was for. But while I was there, probably four or five people between the airports I was at and all the events that I went to said they pointed at the Fitbit on the wrist and they said, I got this because of you. Really? Yeah. And it was a lot of Fitbits. And I was surprised at how many Fitbits. But yeah. They're apparently selling like an insane amount. It's the perfect price for a splurge. Like a okay, I'll I'll do it like a whoop you have to think about. Or for everyone thinking about a whoop and then saw that and were like, well, no, I was saying the opposite. Like she was going to buy one until she listened to the wave. That's what I was expecting more of. Yeah. What was the reason that she didn't buy it? Because the app is so bad. Because we said it didn't work. Well, it works, but the the Gemini. Yeah, yeah. It was that it was that the the whole app experience was just I mean, it's so fun. I've read so many people's reviews at this point. Like Christian Sellig put a blog post out about it. His takeaway was exactly the same. It was like, this is a really, really great product that the app doesn't really work at all. But it's still a great product. And that's just that was my takeaway too. It's just weird. It's weird that I can still recommend it and also really enjoy it and also be like the app is crap. As long as it does the basics, that's all I care about. Google wants me to care about the AI coaching. I don't like cool, that's cute that it's there, but I just want to know if I took this many steps today. And like it do es that. So yeah. It's it's a good product, but the app is very eh. Yeah. Well, speaking of Fitbit, um, this is convenient because this was next on our list. So Fitbit has seen all the people that have been, I guess Google has seen that the people have been talking about the Fitbit Air. There's a there's this trend going around on social media where people are attaching traditional watches to the Fitbit Air strap. Yeah. Which looks pretty cool. Um a lot of sometimes it doesn't look quite right, but sometimes it looks okay. They're doing it by flipping the tracker part goes on the underside of their wrist. Yes. And then looped through Adam am I saying's NATO style for some of them. Which just means that it it slips through the lugs right on a watch. Yeah. Actually sorry, I gotta I freaking love standards. And if I I gotta fact check this half the episode because it's something I'm I'm pretty sure the NATO strap is like unbelievably specified, like they're all exactly the same, so that countries in NATO can just buy insane bulk orders of straps and know they fit all military watches that they wear. Oh. It's like it's part of the insane like one of the big points of NATO is being able to like bulk order everything to like these insane standards and like share everything. And then this w random watch strap is just one of the cool standardized things we got out of that. Sorry, I love standards. North Atlantic Treaty Organization. We love it. So anyway, uh Dan Siefer, who used to work at The Verge, now works at Google, shared a photo online of him using a traditional watch attached to his Fitbit Air. Timex Marlin. Timex Marlin. Beautiful watch. Marlin is a fish. So you guys know. And it looked pretty cool. Adam asked him, does this actually work? Because a lot of people need to flip the Fitbit Air upside down and then it kind of goes against your wrist instead of the top of your wrist, it's at the bottom of your wrist. Yeah. And he said it's not officially supported, but it works fine, which is very interesting, very surprising. Um, and so as of yesterday, actually as of this morning, Fitbit put out official specifications for the Fitbit Air so that anybody can make adapters, can make straps, can make you know, bicep attachments or whatever, which is amazing. That's what we were predicting. Well, we were predicting that the third-party market would exist regardless of if Google officially allowed it to exist. And then Google went, let me make that a little easier for you. Yeah. I think that they saw the things that w people were doing with it and they were like, you know what? We're gonna officially make this work. And so that's very, very, very exciting because uh we are all kind of wrist maxing right now. We've been just like testing doing it. the camera . Show the camera. This is what I was doing last week, exactly almost the same. You have the bulky Apple Watch. I had the smaller one. The series eleven. But yeah, the triple Why you are why do you have all three on now? Okay, so because after I put out my um Fitbit Air review on my blog, uh Woop freaked out and they emailed me and they were like, Can you just try it? And I was like, I'll try it. And I to be fair, I should try it because I shouldn't be comparing it to Whoop if I hadn't. That's the reason you're trying the Whoop too. Yep. And so I'm giving it a shot for like a couple of weeks. Um and yeah, W ell,'s how they get it. we We'll see. I'm not $300 a year after that. I'm not paying that money, dude. There's no way. There's no way. It doesn't matter how good it is. Um yeah, and then Dub Dub's coming up next week, so I have to wear the ultra. So I'm just like, I'm just fitness maxing right now. Yeah. Um anyway. So yeah, I'm very excited for the strap ecosystems to sort of blow up for this. Like we said before, we'd love like bicep straps, we would love like just different types of watch adapters because we really want traditional watches to be able to be smart, but still be traditional watches. Adam, are you wearing your traditional watch on top of your Fitbit Air? Absolutely not. I'm not a psycho. It's fine to just wear two things. Is it okay? Nah man. It's okay. As long as they're b both not watches. Like the issue with the smart watches was that I would have a regular watch on my left hand, yeah, and then a smartwchat on my right hand, which I only want for tracking, but it also tells the time. So now I'm like dual wristing for no real reason. But that's the beauty of like the whoop and the Fitbit and the maze fit. Like all these things are just straps. Like it's fine. It's just another accessory, like a bracelet that I wear on the off hand and then on my regular hand I'll just wear my typical watch. Hearing you say that makes me feel less self conscious about it. Because I w I d I don't want to wear two things. I just want to wear one Oh you're I'm not even wearing the apple watch right now. As long as it's not two of the same thing. That's where I'm like, I get torn off. I was like, I had what David had, I had three things at once, which is obviously insane. But if I have one watch on, see the thing is it's just one that overlapped a lot. So like the functionality of an Apple Watch and the functionality of a traditional watch overlap massively. So it looks silly. But if you just have a fitness tracker on but you also have an Apple Watch, I think everyone also is aware that they're both fitness trackers because the Apple Watch is a fitness tracker to some extent too. So it still feels silly, but they do look different enough that it's okay. Yeah. I think that's why people like the the straps. Totally agree. Like it can be on your other wrist I don't it probably could be on the same wrist, but I'd probably put it on two different ones. I was the whole flipping it on the bottom part of your wrist though, not only I mean I'm wondering how accurate it is, but also who cares about the accuracy that much if it's at least consistently inaccurate, which is what we've always talked about? That's true. I just think that seems really uncomfortable to have when you're like, yeah, maybe I'm a nerd and just typing at a computer all day. That feels awful. That's why my Garmin always had a velcro strap. That's why I really don't like bulky metal clasps on the bottom of watches. So to have a whole tracker there feels like a lot of Yeah, that is not comfortable, I will say. Yeah, I don't think so. But definitely more comfortable to be on the top. It's kinda cool. Yeah, it looks kinda wild. But uh you know, the fact that people are doing it, it seems kind of fun. Um I don't know if that will actually be a thing a lot of people do. I just googled it real quick because I was curious. And this is the AI overview, but it does make a lot of sense of why it's advised not to wear it on the bottom of your wrist. The optical sensor, since it's optical, it's just about like having a seal with the light so it's just a thing up against your wrist and it's pointing at your wrist. So flat. When you wear it underneath your wrist, the tendons f running through your fingers uh cause a lot of light leak because you move those tendons a lot and move your fingers. And so it can introduce a lot of noise or light leak in that sensor. Does it make sense? Watching tendons is kind of crazy. Yeah. So that's it all I get that that may be noisier and a little bit less reliable for the fitness track. But I do remember in I think it was Des Fitz review , uh he said that the FIPA air one thing is because it is thinner than the whoop. is Ansue sometimes was that because the tracker is so close to the edge, if it seemed to kind of poke up the light leak inside of that, could screw it up where the whoop is so much wider, there's less of a chance of light leak coming in. Yeah. Interesting. I wouldn't have thought that I almost would have thought, Oh, my veins I can see on the bottom. Can it read my heart rate better through my veins? But that's just not how it works. Yeah. It makes the it makes intuitive sense 'cause like, oh, you feel your pulse there, so like obviously you should still be able to get my heart rate, but yeah, the there's a bunch more that you're reading too. So yeah. The optical sensor also needs more like muscle tissue, I believe. So like that's why the bicep straps are so popular because there's a lot of like muscle there for the optical sensor to read from versus the wrist, which is a like you said Mark has a bunch of tendons and stuff. Yeah. That would work for me if I had BioSet muscles. Alright, so we don't talk because I don't have injured arms. I just I don't it'll just fall off. I don't know. Yarms are bigger than mine, Marcus. You're fine. So Adam will not be doing the uh No ah. It's also just like it introduces another layer of friction for me because I change watches a lot. Like there are times when I'll get home from work and like part of my routine is switching out a watch so like an at-home watch, you know. I know my cause crazy, yeah. But that's part well. So like I I get home, I plug in my phone, I put my pixel watch on so that I can leave my phone to the other room charging and I still get messages. So like that's part of my thing. I will say this new Fitbit accessory like uh specifications going out for more people to do it, I think is what seems Whoop is like you can get different color bands, you can get different color hardware. The hardware is only that metal clasp, right? Yeah. How easy the Fitbit Air is to pop out into another band, and having multiples of them is so sick. And when there's a thousand different versions of that I missed that. For probably under thirty bucks is like awesome to be able to mix it up. When's the Fitbit underwear coming? I don't think that's gonna be someone's already working on it. Are you doing a review on it? No, but if it helps make it happen, maybe. We made duct tape. That's all I gotta say. That's true. Do whatever you want. True. Speaking of uh regular watches that can be smart in some ways. Yes. Speaking of not watch maxing. Well, maybe watch maxing. Semi-watch maxing. Semi-watch maxing. I was gonna say there's been a it's been a long time since there was no Garmin on this podcast, but Ellis is now the Garmin user. I've been wearing one for like three years straight, pretty much. But I took it off. And now I have this is the Casio F ninety one W . I've never been a Casio fan, but I saw this video the other day. I don't have a problem with Casio. I think they're sick. I love Casio. I just never worn one or I don't have the nostalgia for one. But I got this video on my recommended the other day called A New Kind of Smart Watch by Cam Shand. And I sent it to Adam and then wounded up watching myself. But this company called Ollie Watch makes a replacement board that can fit inside these Cassios that are like $25 . Yeah. And essentially turn it into a smartwatch. Now I'm gonna use smartwatch in extreme quotes here because it is a smartwatch that simultaneously this person who's running the project has done a million things for and it still does almost nothing. Yeah what does it what how do you s let me explain really quick on how I do it? You you essentially open the watch up, replace the board completely. So it keeps the original screen, the original uh LED light. Okay. All the original things, and then it puts a new board in that gives it Bluetooth capabilities that now lets it can your phone control the board. So I can connect to my phone via Bluetooth and give it a bunch of different features. Now, some of these features, you know, it's there's still no vibration motor. There's still no curious what features. Heart rate sensor. Uh heart rate sensor. So time zones. It can do time zones. It can automatically sync times with your phone. Pretty cool. It can use it, does have a gesture mode, which means I have a step tracker now on it, which is pretty cool. Probably wildly inaccurate. Yeah. So it's kind of hacking into the fact that it has a gesture like an accelerometer to detect something. Yeah, I think the new board has an accelerometer. Should you compare the steps to your phone steps? I should if I should honestly probably wear my garment for like a day and do it just because I almost never carry my phone with me. I leave it all the time. Um to see what that is. I'm almost positive . It does have a stopwatch and a l an alarm, which the Casio has already, but since it's connected to my phone, I can set it up in my phone and it can mark things after I've done them. So if I do a s if I run the stopwatch and then stop it, it tracks that in the app and I can go back and edit what that may have been. Okay. Which is pretty cool. That's pretty simple. Uh these are all the different faces that you can activate or not activate. You can just go up and down through all the different so I have my step counter, stopwatch, timer, alarm. That's all I carry. Those are those are faces. These are different faces. There's like you can play blackjack. Heart rate. Heart rate. Wait, wait, wait. Blackjack on the watch. You can play blackjack. That's crazy. The heart rate is monitor your heart rate while you play blackjack? Uh I don't think so because I'm pretty sure the way the heart rate works on this is it starts a timer where you hold your neck, count the time the amount of pulses, and then it calculates for you, what your heart rate is.. Oh my gosh Very hacky way of doing it. Temperature I have found basically says 100 all of the time because it's definitely just my skin temperature. Um, there's a can one thing that's cool is it can change the RGB, the LED to full RGB, all of the different things. There's things like raised a wake. Um, the reason I think it's so cool is I love tinkering. Putting this together was super fun, even though it only took like 10 minutes. Uh, the the board is 50 bucks. I believe it's by a singular person in Canada making and sending all of these out to the point where if you look for shipping updates, he just says they will be shipped out in a week. And by that I mean I ship all of them on Friday. So no matter when you order it, it will ship out on Friday. That's how small this is. Um, but he did release a roadmap that looks like he is trying to add notifications in Q2 . Just for you, Andrew. Just for me. I don't know how he's gonna do it. There's no vibration motor. Probably through a chime, or I'm hoping the LED or some sort of uh symbol on the watch. But um Yeah. I have three Cassios and none of them are supported, unfortunately, but um this is an official plea to please support them. Which ones do you have? Plea out there? I definitely have the AE twelve hundred world timer. Uh and then my most recent one I don't know the model number of , but um if you are the Ollie what is it? Ollie Ollie Watch. If you're the Ollie Watch guy, email me and I'll tell you. David EvansKBHD.com. Yeah, works with a couple different ones. Cassio's got a million different watches. Um I'm definitely missing quite a few features on my garment. Ellis, I don't know if you've gotten used to the flashlight on your Phoenix yet. I no. If you double tap the top left button, it should activate a flashlight. And oh my god. So the best part about it is if you scroll down, it can be a red flashlight. Oh it is primo for like waking up in the middle of the night and having to go to the bathroom without tripping over everything, but also without blinding yourself. That's awesome. It's weirdly the thing I miss the most. Walking Zuzu at night in winter when I'm picking up her poop when she just went in some leaves that I don't know where it landed, that flashlight is so clutch. It's so good. I miss that so much. I'm going to miss um I leave my phone places all the time. People in this office can can uh attack. The amount of times I've seen it in the bathroom. So they say they' notre in the roadmap. They are not going to try and add like ping your phone, but if they somehow get notifications going, this with maybe a f uh FIPIT error might be my new go-to. Not a whoop . No. That 's I said I'm not gonna say anything bad about whoop today to myself. That's where I end this right now. Wait, so why do you need it to be smart if you also have the Fibbit Air? Track health tracking, sleep tracking. But the Fibbitair also does all the tracking that that can do. This does like no tracking. It does step tracking. So what do you want that for? Tells time. But then why do you need the smart board? Notifications. Notifications. Is what he really wants. Yeah. I'm okay. I have a phone to pick with all. Why is everyone so against notifications on Fitbit Air? There's two You can turn it off. I feel like everyone here is actively asking to not include like it already has the capabil ity to do this because it has a vibration motor so asking for it not to have it is just asking for it to not have a feature but that wouldn't because you don't significantly reduce the battery life number one number two the whole point of a screenless device is that you want to forget about it. It's just gonna remind you all the time that it's there. Yeah. turn it off if you don't want to use it. You make why would you not want the feature to have the option to turn it on for people who would want it? I do think that having the option is nice and I understand. We should have more customizability options like that. But this is my point. I think that it's almost a useless feature because there is no screen. You will only be able to know one notification Yeah as your phone vibrating in your pocket. Yeah. It's like you can't I I I mean maybe do like one vibrate for text, two for phone, maybe. One vibrate for text, constant vibrate for ring. That's literally all it's actually less information because the phone does do different vibrations for different apps. And the Fitbit probably wouldn't. If it did one for a text and keep going for a ring, that's literally all I want. Because that's the only notifications that I feel like are enough for me to be like, oh. I feel like that's all it needs. Just give me phone calls and text messages. Here's my plea to Google. You want more of my information? Don't you want to track my phones and text messages? They haven't had notifications. Do you have other Fitbits too that have like more or less screen? Somebody said that the like charge six has a screen, but it's still kind of small. But I think it still is really bulky compared to this. Plus, the like different straps are way lower profile that you can swap out where the charge six you can't do that. Feels like uh adding features back to a minimalist phone. Yeah. Where it's like that's a good analogy. Yes, you do want to be able to do more stuff, but the people are getting the less capable version on purpose. Did we just get to the point where Marquez is I'm not vouching for a minimal phone? I don't want it, but I'm saying the reason that people go for the minimalist phone because when I see a minimalist phone, I'm minimalist confirmed. Just get a regular phone and use it less. That's what my brain says. But yeah, that's that's probably it seems wild to not want it when it has everything it needs for it already. It feels like you're not giving us something just for the sake of not giving it to us. Like a book's palma. Just put a cellular radio on it. Just do it. I think just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Yeah. Disagree with all you and you all sound pretty anti-consumer, right now, and I think the comments will agree with me. Except of how smug I said saying that. Therefore, now they disagree with me. Okay, so okay, here's a counter-counter-counter point. Every time you make a point, I make a counterpoint. That's a streetland Manifesto lyric. That you tweeted six years ago. Okay. That will come out in six years. Yeah. It's still not. It's still not out. Anyway, uh the counterpoint, counter counter, counterpoint is that the a lot of people don't know how to look in their settings. Right? So you're saying like a feature you can turn off. If it was if it was opt in I'm d I s sorry, I was whispering that as Marquez was saying something before. Oh it can be default off. Okay. I don't care. Yeah. All right. If people don't want it, default it as off, add it as a feature later. People have it already, they're not used to it. Gimme it later. If there's a big flashing red button that says, if you turn this on, your battery life will be worse, yeah, and your life will get worse. Then yeah, I guess so. I guess I And you bought the wrong Fitbit. Yeah. Return it. I'm just picturing that feature and I would turn it off after a couple days. Like even as useful as it is, it doesn't give me the amount of usefulness that will will let me leave it on. I love the fact that with my Garmin, my phone never vibrated, it never rang, it never did anything for like three or four years. Now I have to have the vibration on to know when I'm getting a call or a text. And I don't know how you all deal with this, but it's woken me up every single night since because I forget to turn vibrations off when I go to sleep. Do not disturb routine. Inantst. disturb A routine, right? Every day at nine o'clock, my brother. I'll ask you this matter to set it up because it it has to be set up through assistant. No. No. A lot of phones you can just like have do not disturb and she' likes turn the it turn on automatically at 9 p.m. every day. Okay. I need to do that. Someone teach me how to do that. Because I'm an idiot off. Apparently. Teach me, teach me how to do that. Okay. And speaking of Google. Yeah. I saw this this morning on 95 Google and then they also did a press release. Um Google is allowing websites to opt out of AI mode and overviews in Google search. LS is saved. Let me explain what it's doing first. Yeah. Um so they're starting to test a new s uh toggle in their search control console, which will allow website owners to decide if they want the site to appear in Google's AI search features like AI overviews, AI mode, or AI overviews in Discover. If you decide to opt out, you will not receive traffic or impressions from generative AI features. And they also promise um it won't affect your search rankings for regular Google searches. So like allegedly. Allegedly fair. One thing though, it doesn't seem like it's stopping it from coming up in Gemini. This is like Google search features. Okay . The funny thing in their press release uh where they claimed we are actively listening to feedback from publishers and creators and engaging with regulators like the UK's competit competition and markets authority to ensure website owners have the right tools as user preferences evolve. AKA UK got our ass again. We had to. And we need to fix something because of it. Um, so that's why this is rolling out to UK website owners first before potentially moving globally. Um, they said they are also working on rolling out new insights for website owners in the Search Console that can help them understand the traffic they're getting, whether that's coming from AI features going forward. So that seems like a cool thing to add on top of this because obviously they don't want people to opt out. So give them some more information on maybe to claw them back in like look at all these sweet insights you're getting. Yeah. This gives Google a chance to put their money where their mouth is because they're their big argument. I don't know if you listened to Ne Lai's interview with uh Sundar, but uh Google's argument is that yeah, there's gonna be less traffic to a lot of websites because of AI overview, but the traffic that websites do get will be way more specific and high quality traffic. And that's, you know ob,viously great for commerce and great for certain websites. But I don't know if anybody believes that right off the bat. We'll have to like see that actually play out. So to offer the tools and insights to see, oh, okay, I was getting let's say a hundred page views a day or something like that . Now I'm getting twenty, but all twenty of them buy something instead of twenty out of the hundred. If you're an affiliate based website, that's awesome. Yeah, I was just gonna say that ignores the fact that a lot of websites exist off of like banner ads. Yeah, banner uses all ad traffic disappears for those websites. Yeah. But yeah, it's an it's at least an opportunity to show like how the traffic changes based on uh you op opttinging in or out. Yeah. I mean giving them giving them the option is good. Giving them more information to make that decision is good. Wikipedia opts out. Okay, so that was something people were talking about on Reddit. Um so I have a list of like some things I'm interested to see how this changes. Um one, how many owners look at the statistics and what decision they wind up making. I think most website owners right now are like, I hate AI overviews because they're stealing traffic . When they see this, I want to see if a lot of people will actually stay or if they will opt out. Um, if large websites opt out, one, how does that affect AI responses if Wikipedia like decides to. If they're big enough, will Google try and make some sort of agreement with them to make sure that they don't like if a Wikipedia opts out, I can't imagine Google wouldn't be like, uh, we need to find some sort of compensation. I mean they did it with Reddit. They made a deal specifically with Reddit. So I could see them doing that. I could definitely see that. Um then my other question is if a website opts out now , how much of their existing is already in the zeitgeist of scraping stops, but whatever was already scraped is probably already in. My model's trained up until yeah. Which is yeah. I feel like they need an answer for that. There's no way they're taking it out because it's all trained and they essentially can't, right? Yeah. So whoop de doo, I guess in the future that's nice, but right now kind of sucks. But I just hope that in the search console there's a little toggle for me to turn on and off notifications . I agree. I was gonna call it a black box, like the training data is just in the black box, and then I just thought of the analogy that it's kinda like a black hole. Like all of all of the mass of the star is already in. So you can't take it out. Like I know it's part of all the rest of the stuff in there, but the mass is Yeah, what about the hawking radiation Marquez. I think I could name all the planets. Well, uh after the break, we are gonna talk a little bit about NVIDIA's new RTX Spark chipset that's trying to upset Apple, but maybe won't. We'll see. Uh before that though, we got something that always comes out of the black hole. A tech trip. That's gotta that's gotta be on the board. That's gotta be uh tech away question bros. Tri a tech trivia question. I slept for thirty percent of the what I was supposed to have Have you ever had a dream that and you and you could and that in you and I heard the word Google and I heard the word opt out and I immediately opted out of Google. I immediately remembered the old days where you had to opt out of your Gmail getting every single Google Plus notification and message that you ever dreamed of. So I wanted to write a Google Plus trivia question. Doesn't really have that much to do with the topic today, but we all miss Google Plus. And by we all, I mean, you know, someone out there. Marquilla Marquez, is that someone? Google, as we all know, loves to try new things, and they really, really love to try new things back in the day. I guess they still do. This trivia question is. Not as much. They used to experiment a lot more. They do. And so today's trivia question is how many social media services did Google launch before Google Plus? Oh my god. Before Google Plus. And name them. You don't have to name them. But it will be price's right rules. So if you're too if you think Google is too ambitious social media . And you're I need you to say the question very specifically. Google launched, didn't buy launched. I am going to confirm over the next section that they did not purchase any of these. Okay. Um, but to my knowledge, if they were purchased, they were purchased pre-launched and launched by Google. How many social media services did Google launch before Google Plus? And I know, you know, I thought I rounded up every single one I could find. I'm gonna go double check because it's Google. They could have launched six that uh somehow I never heard of. Uh but these are all ones that I think a reasonable tech enthusiast might not remember off the top of their head, but would remember if spoken aloud. Social media. Adam, do you agree? Adam agrees. Huh? I can't find it, but did you see the subreddit post of like, I fing hate prices right rules? Well, on our screen? Why? What was the it was just like I just don't get Delta is better, which is kind of true. Closest Delta, I like closest delta. Yeah, closest delta a lot. Generally better. Especially when no one really has any idea what the ballpark of the answer is actually. I'm fine swapping it around. Yeah. Yeah, what am I talking about here? Is Prices Right an internationally known ? I think so. I think it's ISO standard thirty eight ninety two dash four B C. No, that's peanut butter. Oh you're so right. That's the pantone color. No, I feel like I feel like that's a maybe more local fun rule that we've implemented, but whatever. I like I like swap button. As long as everyone knows what it means.. Okay Whatever you want, Alice. You're the you're the Yeah, you guys are the game masters. I'm just you know , just happy, jolly energy. Until we all get it wrong and then I will not be happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, answers answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Support for this show comes from Chef IQ. Father's Day is coming up, and if you're still looking for a gift for your dad, here's the move. Get him something he'll actually use. 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We get all this software, occasionally a little bit of hardware, or like some teasing of some hardware. I think the last one we heard about was Mac Pro at dubdub. Maybe. All right. But usually it's just iOS, iPad O OSS, watch , all the OSs get updated. Yeah. And we do have some expectations for that this year. Uh we got our invite. We will be out there. The clue that we have is all systems glow. As you know, Siri is the thing that glows in iOS because the rest of it is liquid glass. So we are expecting finally to get I guess a re-announcement of all the stuff we were expecting. Two funny things about this. One, last year's tagline was it's glow time. Yeah. And again, they didn't do it. We don't talk about that. Also, the person that announced the revamp series two years ago now works at OpenAI. The person on stage at Dubdub who announced it? Oh we don't talk about that either. Yeah. We don't talk about Siri. So yeah, we hope it comes back. I was like scouring the internet for all of the rumors, right? 'Cause we wanted to do a rumor roundup. I actually promised you guys a rumor roundup last week. I lied to you. Uh I looked online everywhere. I was like top W D C rumors. I got some. You got you got some? Okay. Small stuff. Because everything I found was just like Siri. It's yeah, this is uh dub dub 2024 part two. Part two Redux. Yeah. I mean the main thing that I think is interesting is so obviously the iPhone is the thing that Apple does, and the way they they the way they differentiate their products very often, if you look back at the history of Apple, it's just making their new thing the one that works with the iPhone the best, right? Yeah. So they've been super behind in all this AI and having large language models and having an assistant, but they're finally going to have this new Siri. And what I'm expecting is for them to try to find ways that this assistant is the one that works with the iPhone the best. So how do they do that? One is a pre-installed Siri app that kind of looks like a messaging app where you can just talk to Siri. I think potentially it's in the messaging app where you just message Siri like you're texting it. Yeah. Um but then two, of course, is like if you have ChatGPT the app or Gemini the app or any of these other apps like Claude on your iPhone, they can only tell you so much about your actual phone. They know about what you've plugged into it and what you've given it access to , but they don't know your messages or your calendar. They can't act on your iPhone for you. So I just generally expect I mean they tease a lot of the stuff already, but they're I generally expect them to give Siri a bunch of abilities to dig into your iPhone and use that contact data, calendar data, yeah, whatever other stuff is on your iPhone and take actions with it. This is where Apple is gonna have a lot of explaining to do. Uh because the entire thing that they kind of sell is privacy. And they're gonna have to reassure people over and over and over again that even though it is using the data that is on your phone with the text and the everything and the stuff and it's AI . We're not going to see it. It's not going anywhere. They're going to have to talk about their private cloud compute thing again. They're going to have to say the Gemini Mont nano model runs locally on the phone. There's no data coming to Apple. Uh because again, it's gonna need all that context. Like, for example, Gemini Spark that we talked about briefly last week from I.O., we uh I have early access to it and I tried it a little bit. David Pierce wrote a really good article about it. And it's it's kind of creepy how much information it knows about you. Like uh when in Pierce's article that he wrote about it, he said, like, plan me this trip, and it knew his wife's name, it knew what time his kid takes a nap. Is this because it's Gemini and it's plugged into your accounts and has all of that? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And so Apple is gonna have to be very clear about the information that they're pulling from your devices and all this stuff. It clear again, Apple doesn't have nearly as much information as Google has about you because it doesn't have like I guess I mean I guess they kinda have iCloud drive. They can kind of pull from documents and stuff, but they don't have their own documents creator thing that people actually use. They're just gonna have a little bit less context, but yeah. It's it's gonna be a lot of explaining like security, security, security, privacy, privacy, privacy, on device models. Yeah. We'll see how regular people take it. They just have to show that little Apple logo that's a lock and goes click. That's right now on how many times they do the animation. They for sure are going to do that at least one time full screen. Oh yeah. Yeah. During WW E. I can see that. Yeah. No, that's it's true. And also like to your point, Google is essentially an ad and data collection company. So they have all these great services that also serve as ways to collect data. So like I we use Google Docs, great. We use Google Calendar as a company. Great. We use Gmail. Okay. So all this stuff is really useful to us as services, but then Jim and Ike pulls from all of that to be helpful for us. Apple, I mean, yeah, they have iCloud. They don't have a they have they have iCal. So if you have if your calendar is an iCal, they can use that. Your contacts, your your iMessage maybe Message even feels like a stretch for Apple to use that data, to be honest. If it's on your device, it's cool. I think it's okay, but I think that the the messaging is gonna be a little complicated. For some reason, texts are the things that people always think about the most when they think about is this data leaking. So I don't know. Yeah. It just makes it harder because they don't have as much data and services, I guess it makes it harder for them to make a useful assistant. So we'll see what sort of stuff they plug into with the iPhone. Yeah. Gemini has like a daily brief feature now that I sort of bad. I actually think mine's been really good. I've been waiting for it to get good. Really? Every day I read my daily brief and I just shake my head. Mine is like so weird.ly good. Yeah What is yours? Do you use it too? Yeah. Tell me what's in your daily brief. Because mine is just like, here's some emails you got. And I'm like, yeah, I read those already this morning. Oh no. What are you what is your daily brief? Comes to me when I wake up. Yeah. Mine gets okay, yeah. So it shows up in the morning. Yeah. But often I've I've dismissed a bunch of emails from the night before and it's telling me about those again. Yeah. And it's telling me to take actions on things that are emails that I'm already gonna do because I've read my em ails. Yeah. So what does yours do? Mine's like, oh, this thing that you bought on eBay finally shipped. Here's the tracking number. Because of the email. Uh yeah. Yeah. But like, I don't know, that might be buried in my email. I just like having it all in one place. And it's like your inbox. No, no, no. Because not everything in my life is in my email. Right? things that happen in my email and in my calendar and in like my Google Drive stuff like that or in my Google tasks. You know what's been weirdly better? What? Is I've been using Dia , and this is not an ad for them, but the browser. And because I have Google Docs open and I've given it access to stuff, it knows what docs I've been working on and it's seen my calendar and it knows this other stuff. And the daily brief that pops up in the morning from Dia is often more variety . Like it it knows what documents I've been working on. It's like here's some stuff. Like it wants some sources to help you finish this dope tech video you've been writing. This is on your phone? This is on Dia the browser on my desktop. So like that has been more useful because it's not all just emails. It goes, Oh, you have some unresolved comments from the Google Doc that uh from Andrew and Harper on this on this thing you've been writing. Yeah. That's pretty useful. Um , the person leaving those comments. I like that a lot. But the the good the Google one I get every morning is just like a summary of my eyes. Let me let me tell you my daily brief. Okay. So okay, so I'm shipping a product to a friend and then they're gonna bring it to me. It's just a kind of a complicated thing . Um and it for some reason it knows the friend that I'm shipping it to and it tells so it not only was like, here's your tracking information, but it says share the tracking information with him so that he can bring it to you. That's nice. Which is crazy. Because I didn't, you know, that's not in the email from eBay. It's kind of a complicated. It's it's interesting. I don't know how it knows that. Um inspect the package that got delivered last night to make sure that nothing got like there was no transit damage, which is convenient because it knows that something recently got damaged in transit. I think because I like submitted a claim. It's kind of interesting. Um last night I was trying to transfer from the iPhone Air over to the iPhone Pro Max and it was freezing constantly. So it's like make sure you resolve the freezing issue, which is, you know, obviously something. How does it know that? Because you're Google searching. Because I y I asked Gemini once yesterday, like I'm trying to transfer and it f it's freezing. Like what's the best thing to do? Um here's a package that didn't know was arriving today where it's like, hey, this thing is arriving today. It should get their whatever. Uh that must be from an email. Upcoming birthdays, which is one is on Friday, which I didn't. Like I wouldn't have checked my calendar to like try to see that the birthday was happening. Interesting. So I'm just so dialed in my calendar and inbox that this feels redundant to me. But if I wasn't checking my calendar in my inbox, I do not live in my email at all. And the only r I mean I use my calendar like crazy, but the only reason I use it is to make sure I'm not double scheduling things when people ask to like hang out or do something, you know. Okay. So maybe we just have different I think for people that live in their email, maybe it's not as con undant for me. Okay. What does yours do, Adam? Mine, I I'm like a mix. Like I live in my email, but I also live in my calendar, but I also live in my notes up. Like I'm all over the place. So my email specifically, the things I pay attention for are appointments, which may or may not reflect on my Google Cal endar. But for example, the one that saved me yesterday actually was last week. I have a class every Tuesday with a Spanish tutor that I meet on Zoom and we go through it for an hour. We had a miscommunication about scheduling and when we were gonna talk, all this stuff. So that was like a long email thread that it's all in Spanish, which I'm not great at. So it all like got lost in translation literally. So yesterday I woke up and the Google Assistant little thing daily daily brief. Yeah, Gemini Daily Brief, thank you. Was like, oh, don't forget, you have your Spanish class today. And the the email thread is all in Spanish. And I was like, oh snap. It is today. Like, yeah, let me let me lock that in my calendar. One o'clock have my calendar. So, like things like that, it was like things that I would otherwise miss or not really pay attention to. Subscriptions that I meant to cancel, but I keep forgetting, like it'll keep reminding you. Like, don't forget last week you wanted to do this thing, yeah, and I still see that it's still there. I like rarely check my email so honest well I should check it more but honestly like it sending telling me that things are arriving today's that I've that I've ordered that I just didn't know about is very helpful especially since packages get stolen from my apartment like all the time. Yeah. So Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. I I makes a lot of sense as someone who's not in the inbox all the time. Yeah. That this would be useful. I'm looking at my daily brief again. It's literally just, hey, you got an email.. Yeah You want to do anything about that? Here's another email. And yeah, it's it's not really pulling from anywhere other than email. How are you guys finding your daily brief? It's in the Gemini app. Yeah, it's near the top if you open the sidebar. Yeah. You can also get uh notification for it every morning when you wake up. That's what I get and I didn't realize I could just go to the gym and I have to see it . Okay. Yeah. Dial in your new podcast room layout. Yeah. Modify or confirm your Chewy auto ship order. Still have to do that. So you completely forgot about that. Uh review GitHub app claud requests for system permissions. Should probably check that. Sounds important. Sounds important to me. I'm just saying, I think it's I think it's quite good and it's gonna be interesting to see how Apple, like what data Apple allows the their local models to collect and like use to actually be helpful. Because Google Google has never provided to be about privacy whatsoever. They're more like, actually just give us all our data and we will give you useful features. And Napole is like, we don't look at anything. So it's just gonna be it's gonna be different. But I'm interested. I'm quite interested in what they do next week um in that in that use case. Obviously, they're gonna update all of the OSs. Um so literally no idea what they're gonna do for the watch. You know, it's like it seems like every year they come up with a new metric, a new health metric that I wouldn't know exorbited and they add a new sensor yet because they need to sell a new watch. Um so that's strange. I feel like the last two years was it the last two years this where they're like, This is the biggest update to watch OS. Oh, watch OS ten, yeah. Yeah. And it was like nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I really want them to Oh yes. Yeah, that's a great yeah. Like one new watch face. One new sensor. Snoopy. Or honestly two Snoopy. They could probably just Sherlock Bevel . Bevel is the like Actually . Yeah. So be well, if you don't know Bevel is, Bevel is like the Whoop uh it's an app that you use that takes your Apple Watch data and it turns it into Whoop for a hundred dollars a year. Uh it's only a hundred dollars for the AI features. Oh I figured this someone posted on our subreddit. The majority of the stats are just free. Oh subscriptions AI features. That's cool. Okay, that's even better. Uh and so Apple has a real opportunity to kinda make especially the ultra like make it a harder core. Maybe this ties into Siri. Maybe Siri is a fitness coach. Based on your health data? Yeah. Sydney Siri looks at all of this fitness data in the health app and becomes a chattable, actionable like coach for beginners to understand like hey you you have trends like you can always open the health app and look at all these numbers and graphs and I don't know what to do with those a lot of times but maybe Siri is like a little bit of a can Siri even set two timers and you wanted to tell you how you should revamp. Well, we're gonna get a revamped series. It's gonna be the g the new Gemini series. It's gonna be good, allegedly. Is it two years late now? Or is it three? Uh I guess it's announced at a year and a half late, right? Yeah, an announced almost two years ago. Okay, a year and half late. To be for the next iPhone launch. So half a year later. I hope they make Ta uh macOS Tahoe better. Apparently there was a leaked uh name for the new OS version and it's potentially called Big Be ar, which is a lake in California. Like Mac OS? Yeah. Big Bear. Big Bear. Big Bear. Big Bear. Big Bear. I'm realizing that. Big Bear is yeah, it's a great lake. I'm realizing not everyone knows about Big Bird. I know. It's a California Yeah, wow. There's a lot of running out of popular things. I mean a lot of people didn't Tahoe either. Correct. Yeah. I just I feel like when you live in California, everyone's always talking about Big bear.ing Yeah, people go to Big Bear to vacu like vacation. Yeah. It's Big Bear. It's awesome. Wait a second. Are you guys from California? Uh look this is how fast they ran out of stuff, right? They had all the the snow leopard, cheetah, puma, all those, right? Then they got to California stuff for OS 10.9. Okay, Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan. Yeah. Okay, great. California. Sierra. High Sierra. California, California. Mojave. California. Catalina. California. Big Sur. Now we're just obscure. Monterey. Monterey's not obscure. Ventura. Monterey is not Ventura is not obscure. Yeah. Sonoma. Because you guys are not from California. Exactly. Most people aren't from California. Apple statistically in the United States. Actually, yeah. Most people are from California. No. Most people are are aware of California, but not intimately aware of all the things. Like I think we've run out of the popular I mean let's lay now name it after a city, but these are generally like you know pretty places in California. Which is cool. Isn't that better? According to AI overview, twelve percent of all Americans are born in California. Yeah, and eighty percent aren't very few. Uh no, it's not. I think it is. Um I think it's top three . It's probably top one. It's probably two. I think it's number one. How many people live in New York State? A lot less than California. How about Texas? Less eight million less than California. All right. Yeah. California . Anyway, I'm just saying like these are all beautiful places. I agree. And the videos that they do to you know, Craig's gonna get on stage and say our crack marketing team. He's gonna say that. That's true. Word for word. And he's gonna announce this new thing and there's gonna be a very pretty video of it and people from California are gonna recognize it from the video before they say the name, they'd be like, Oh my god, it's Big Bear. And people are gonna be like, What's Big Bear? You know what I have the California state flag is a bear. So I hope I hope they like zoom out of the flag and it's a bear and then they f do a flyover of Big Bear Lake. Wait, did they tease this like four years ago when that bear broke into that guy's house and the the watch? That's a big bear. Yeah. That could be one too. So RTX Spark. RTX Spark. Speaking of big Wait a second, that's not in California. Don't you know RTX Spark in California? Uh okay. So Apple, a number of years ago, 2020, released the M1 series processors. Big deal, big change, arm-based, changed the world. Okay. Been chasing that high ever since. Everyone's been chasing that high. Microsoft's been chasing that high. Qualcomm's been chasing that high. They can never seem to do it because Windows just sucks. Unfortunately. It is tr it is truly not good. Yeah. Uh because they need backwards compatibility for like a hundred years. So NVIDIA, uh multi-trillion dollar company, what do they do? They're the big bear in the room. They're the biggest bear in the room. What they did was they made a competitor to the M1. It's called the RTX Spark uh Superchip. It's effectively a laptop slash, you know, desktop PC version of the DGX Spark from last year, which was a personal dev kit AI box that combines CPU, GPU, all in one chip. Now they're gonna put this thing in laptops, which is pretty crazy. We don't know really any performance. Uh we don't really know any pricing. We just have numbers. We have a lot of numbers. David, it has all day battery life. Up to up to all day. So maybe it'll be okay with uh with efficiency. But yeah, it's got 20 CPU cores, 6, 144 GPU cores. They say it can have up to RTX RTX 5070 equivalent graphics. We don't know if that's the 5070 on the desktop or They don't specify. You can probably assume it's the lesser. Probably assume uh up to 128 gigabytes of unified memory, but it starts at sixteen gigs of unified memory. Uh all day battery life built in partner built in partnership with MediaTech. Uh one pet aflop of AI compute, 600 gigabytes per second bandwidth, or maybe that's gigabits. I didn't I'm not sure if I read it currently. Gigits. Uh Jensen talked a lot about this being a platform for agents. Um he said agents a lot. Okay. He used that word many times. He said there are only a billion people , but there are so many more agents . I'm serious about this. Make sure you pronounce it very carefully. I also don't know why he said only a billion people, because I think there's about eight billion people. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. Let's go. Based on what I've seen. Yeah. You know, we got this announcement, we got them focusing very heavily on AI and agents and how, you know, with up to a hundred twenty eight gigs of unified memory, you can run all these local large language models and do all this stuff and execute all these tasks and have even these optimizations. They talked about Adobe with like special versions, obviously of CUDA cores because it's NVIDIA, but special versions of this new Adobe software where you can have it make stuff for you in the creative suite. Crazy agents happen happening on your computer. My take basically, which is probably based on how little time I spend in this PC world is the window for how good or bad this could be is enormous. Yeah. No point of attending. But the window for how high the ceiling could be or how low the floor could be is huge. Yeah. I think how bad it could be is okay, we don't know how bad like the base chip is. Okay, starting at sixteen gigs unified memory, y you got a bunch of cores and obviously a whole bunch of bandwidth, three nanometer process, and then it's just, you know, base just replacing the Intel chip that you would have had level and that's okay and maybe it's a little too expensive. The sealing is like it is as good as the Apple Silicon Chips and it's better because of all the optimizations and the CUDA cores and it has all this local, you know, processing available, all this AI, uh, for all the agents you're going to run. So it's better for that sort of stuff. So the the window, and obviously it runs Windows, so like however into that you are. The window for how good or bad this could be is huge to me. So I am I'm going to wait to actually get my hands on it. They announced a whole bunch of laptop uh OEMs are gonna be making these RTX Spark laptops, and they're all very thin and very very powerful, premium looking. They all scream high price. Yeah. But they haven't announced any specs or prices or benchmarks yet. So I'm just gonna wait until we get some in hand and actually use them , benchmark them and see how good they actually are. The DGX Spark last year was announced at $3,000. When it came out, it was $4,000 and then within a few months it became $4,600. And then for some reason the D ell version was $6,300 . So yeah, they're probably going to be pretty expensive. Again, we don't really know anything about battery life. The DGX Spark pulled 140 watts from the wall. Hopefully, it doesn't pull that much. It's gonna be scaled down a lot. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying something about 150 watts and then the battery life, not that last like two hours. Yeah, it he was like the math isn't mathing here, but like all of it because this is all at Computex, right? Yeah. And like it's well there was Computex and then there was NVIDIA had their own thing and then there was also Microsoft Build, which happened like right after. Yeah. Um I mean they announced in it the Microsoft Surface Ultra, which is a fifteen inch mini LED touchscreen, uh you know, the largest haptic trackpad in a surface ever. Um lo exactly like a MacBook Pro, by the way. I saw that it also just looks exactly like a Microsoft Surface laptop. It's looked like except maybe it's had boxier, like thicker and was less of a wedge shape, but I just think it's looked like a surface for like that for a while. Um the Verge said that like looked exactly like a MacBook and I was like more like a MacBook, but maybe I'm wrong. Surface Ultra is also a funny name. I mean yeah, huge trackpad, black keyboard, thin bezels. One thing I thought was interesting that Tom Warren said is so it's got USB C HDMI full size SD headphone jack, but there's an USB C port on the right that he says looks a little bit larger. Yeah. And when he asked the Microsoft employee, they just smiled and said they'd have more to share later. Which to me sounds like service connect port that you like a fast charger. Like us like remember how the old surface devices had that like detachable one? It was essentially always like this weird like long flat piece that would go into it and be like a a proprietary fast charger. But you could also charge with USB C in a different port. Yeah. Yeah, that was my guess too. It might be a breaka way USB C like port. Interesting. Yeah. So it could it could have the magnetic capabilities. But also be USB C. Which would be cool. Yeah. I think it's just charging. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's anything that cool despite him smiling and laughing and being like, you'll find out later this year. Yeah. Yeah, this is all you know, this is Windows and ARM. Again, we've seen it. Yeah. Surface has done it. With NVIDIA though being at the forefront and worth a major pissload of money. Yeah. There is a higher chance for sure. There's a higher chance this works because NVIDIA has a lot more to lose than like Microsoft and Qualcomm did. Yeah. Um the thing that people are really upset at though is that there is not Linux support right now and many, many developers use Linux. And so everyone being forced to use Windows is not making people happy. Yeah. That could be a future thing. I mean, uh I expect them to listen to their audience at some point and maybe expand support, but yeah. The response to Linus seemed very like we are not thinking about that right now. We have a lot of other things to worry about before we're gonna worry about Linux. Totally fair. They definitely had to launch this first and make sure it goes smoothly before doing anything else. Yeah, so there's like a million questions that we're gonna not have answered until we actually get units Which is later this year. Like we're a while away from figuring any of this stuff out. For sure. Maybe before Siri. We'll see. Place your bets. Before GTA six. Yeah, before GTA 6 or my Street Late Manifesto album. I'm weirdly like excited about this because there's a lot of like , you know, advanced high production like creative workflows that more and more people are adopting. We were talking about this in the car this morning, David, like adopting these like very sort of slim local models to take care of like one task in a really complicated production workflow. Um and you know, with all the extra ports and the big trackpad on this Microsoft surface, I could see this being like a weirdly useful laptop with the asterisk being if this NVIDIA graphics engine has access to all the like NVIDIA specific graphics processes. Yeah. Jetson made a big deal about the fact that this chipset supports literally everything NVIDIA's ever made. So the idea that like these are like very hyper-specific applications, but I could see a lot of like post-production workflows or like computers that run concert visuals or like things like that being able to do like really unique, powerful things on this laptop if it 's like not um which unfortunately like it seems like they all end up being um I don't think this is gonna be sh I don't think so either it's supposed to run through Windows though. And as a Windows user, we had to do this thing with a a Dell monitor for a video we're making where it has a KVM and I'm switching between it. Setting up the Dell drivers for the KVM of this Dell monitor took me longer on the Windows PC than it did on the Mac for just like it kept failing and then just extracting it and actually downloading it literally took like 10 times as long. And I was messaging Marquez like I'm losing my mind here. It was a Dell XPS laptop I was using that was like hurting trying to install Dell drivers. Yeah. It was infuriating. Damn. I'm I want to be optimistic. I wanna I wanna see when they come out. Hopefully we get these these benchmarks going. Yeah. Thank you for the big trackpad. Yeah. All laptops need a giant trackpad. I agree. I agree. The question sort of becomes like Apple has become the de facto kind of AI agent computers because they're like the best bang for buck right now. But if another company comes in and is optimized for that stuff, are people going to start moving over to you know agent specific hardware. Trevor Burrus If it's built for whatever you plan on doing. Yeah. Whatever that means. And can they safeguard like I think another reason the Apple platform is so popular for vibe coding and agents and stuff like that is because it's you can really monkey around a lot in terminal and with bash commands and stuff and feel confident you're not gonna delete some system file that renders your computer completely broken in a way that I feel a lot less confident on a Windows system. Satya did specifically say they're bringing a lot of that stuff to Windows now though. Like they're bringing homebrew to Windows. He announced that. What? He knows that it how? He knows how to build. It's a how? How? Ask him your shit. That doesn't make sense. I thought Homebrew was a Mac thing. I thought it was a Mac repository. He said we're bringing a lot of your favorite Mac stuff to Windows so that you so that you can move. Oh how the tables have turned, my friends. For my whole life, it was like, oh, this is really sweet, but you can't do it on Mac, so I gotta own a window. Oh, I love this program, but it's it's Windows owned. Now look at the Windows crowd, baby.. No Look at them crawl over to our side. Well, we won't know about that stuff until later this year, so uh a whole lot of hoopla. Hoopla! Hoopla ! But while we're waiting for later this year to roll around, there's a thing that happens every single gosh darn week, baby. Right on time. Hoopla. Oh, trivia. Spell hoopla. This was another great Ellis question that I'm just gonna steal from him. So while Google Plus didn't stick around, one feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in twenty thirteen. What product is that? Two Google Plus questions, one episode. Twitch. Say that again? I think I actually know that. Google Plus say it again. I need I'm gonna get this one right. While Google Plus did not stick around. Correct. One feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in twenty thirteen. What product? Okay. Does that product still exist. It kind of changed its name. With every second, we're getting closer to spoiling the answer. This is a hard, hard one because I do think technically it's the same thing, but they do change its name and make it 's giving enough. Shut up. Everybody shut up. This is why listen to my nose. All right, never mind. Don't have to answer. You don't have to answer. We'll think about it. I'm gonna answer. What do you think? We'll think about it. Yeah, you don't have to I don't you don't have to answer my question. My question, my clarifying question. Oh, I see. I'll just I'll just guess. Nope, it's dead. Oh great. Oh that doesn't narrow it down at all. Wait, it's back. And it's dead again. All right. We'll answer at the end. We'll be right back. Okay . Who is actually winning the war between Russia and Ukraine . Right now it's clear that Ukraine is much more confident. Time now looks increasing on Ukraine's side, and there's no obvious reasons for them to negotiate a ceasefire in the near term just because the United States or somebody else wants it. I'm John Finer. And I'm Jake Sullivan, and we're the hosts of The Long Game, a weekly national security podcast. This week, we discussed the war in Ukraine with Michael Kaufman, one of the leading analysts of the conflict who recently returned from the front lines. The episode's out now. Search for and follow the long game wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. We gotta talk about Micros oft. I mean Microsoft. I stole that from Steve from Gamers Nexus. Uh oh the comment section's been Oh, did they say that? I made a video about uh just the problem that Microsoft has with laptops and most of the comments were just making fun of Microsoft by calling it Microslot. Damn. It was solid. Well. Well, we got two Microsoft stories for you. The first is that Microsoft is making a Project Solara agent OS. So if uh you didn't hear the last part of the podcast, and we and if you didn't't, I don know why are you at this part of the podcast. We talked about Microsoft Build very briefly. Actually, yeah, this might be an eclipse, so I don't know. That'd be crazy. But uh they had Microsoft Build, which is their annual developer conference, similar to dub dub, similar to I.O. And they announced some stuff there. One of the things they announced was a new OS called Project Solara . And it's effectively supposed to be an OS built specifically for agents. It's funny though, because it's Android. Uh everything is Android at the end of the day. When I heard this, I thought of Rabbit OS. Yeah. Oh. That's kind of what it is. Same thing. They basically my my take on this is that they are trying to build the future platform, kind of like Meta was trying to do with the metaverse, because they were mad that Google kind of took the web. And so now they're trying to be the ones that build an OS that can work on various different types of hardware. So they have these images of like, oh, smart glasses or a smart screen or a smart this. And they showed off two different concept devices. One was like an echo-like device, like an Amazon Echo -like device that sits on your desk, has Windows hello. So you walk up to it, it logs in and whatever. And then you can just talk to it and you're talking to agents and agents are doing stuff for you. Whatever. They also showed a concept Now you might not know what a badge is if you have not worked at one of these megacorps. One of these megacorpse gives you a little badge that you wear around your neck that has your name and your identity. Oh like a physysicalical b badgead. Phge. Like an ID badge. Like an ID badge. I don't know why I was thinking like a meta verified check mark badge or something. No, not a digital badge. You mean like an actual badge? Physical badge that helps you scan into different rooms, etcetera. This one has like your name, your ID on it, whatever, but it also has agents on it and also has a camera. So they showed off uh at build where the guy that was presenting it basically turned it sideways and he recorded a video and then he was like, Computer cut up a video of this and like share it to my social media with some cool music. Bad. No, don't do it. It's a phone. It's not well and make the badge . But get you in the door. But the phone can't be. But the phone can't do it yet, because Siri's not here yet. You know what I'm saying? And Gemini, I don't think Gemini can like cut up a video. I don't know. I don't . This is making me think that what if going back to dub dub predictions and rumors and stuff, if it's becomes a Siri OS. Because Apple seems to be the only one that doesn't make it. Apple's not gonna make a new OS just for Siri O. That's a little confusing. Because Android has Gemini that talks across all their platforms. Microsoft just announced this thing where all their agents, it's like different form factors, doesn't matter. The agent will talk to it. Yeah. Apple doesn't have that yet. It's iOS. I think Siri might act like that, but it they I don't think they would call it an OS. Yeah. They share a lot of stuff. They'd call it an ontology. That was a palantir joke. Sorry, sorry. Ontology. Like six people listening to this laughed really hard. Okay . Um anyway. I already said it, but yeah, they want to be like the the platform of the future. And uh I don't know. Microsoft has announced a lot of demo hardware in the past that they just So that's a possibility. Um but yeah, just wanted to bring that up. This doesn't seem like hardware to me. Well it's a it's yeah, it's they're they they are making concept devices to show what you could do with this agent OS that they're building on top of Android. But the thing that they're showing off is the agent OS. Yeah. It's not like the hardware itself. Yeah, we'll we'll see if they even ship the agent OS is my question, because it's Microsoft. Uh okay, one more Microsoft story. Microsoft is in the process of shutting down all employees using cloud code for work by June 30th. Very funny. Uh people have been thinking about this for a long time. At what point do tokens become more expensive than humans? Turns out we're reaching that point. They sped run that. It's not like they're gonna force them to use codex or or the uh uh the the the the the uh uh what's it what's it Microsoft one called copilot? GitHub Copilot CLI. Yeah. It's like they're just like no no bots. Well so this what happened was in December they gave everybody claude subscriptions, like pretty much whoever wanted it there. And it seems like everyone was only using Claude and not copilot. Yeah. So one, the reason a lot of people think this is because of how much is expensive, because of how expensive it is, because it's ending on June 30th, which is the end of Microsoft's fiscal year. Big red flag of like this is probably costing us a metric ton but also it is a straight competitor. Not all employees are losing Claude completely because Copilot uses Claude inside of it. Um, yeah. So they'll still be able to like be connected to it somewhat, but most likely because it is a uh a competitor and because it's costing so much money, yeah, is why they're stoppinging them from us it. But like David said, we're getting to this point of what costs more agents or people. And like Uber already just ditched like all of their their AI coding. I mean, Microsoft are also has copilot and they have GitHub Copilot and they announced at build a new version of terminal, which is they call a smart terminal, which has GitHub copilot built into the terminal. And so, I mean, Microsoft would be a little hypocritical if they were not using their own you know agents. They also announced their own language models at build. So I think you know it's a combination of this is probably getting insanely expensive, and also we spent billions of dollars to make this ourselves. Why are we not using it ourselves? So this is getting extremely expensive in two different ways? Yeah. So the question becomes how far behind anthropic are they in terms of the quality of their language models? That's going to be a big question. And if it slows them down, do they need to be slowed down? I don't know. I don't know if anything that Microsoft's done significantly in the last few years. So who's that? I haven't used Bing in a minute. Remember when Bing got crazy? Someone in our subreddit posted a really funny there were like uh it was the Bing Copilot overview asking about me and it said I immigrated here in like eighteen ninety one and that I also host a podcast called Wayfor . Holyy, holy. The said call him unk, but like really, really old. That's hella unk. Holy sht. That's crazy. Uh speaking of the stuff, Anthropic also just confidentially filed to IPO, but then they tweeted about it, so it wasn't too confidential, I suppose. Um and it's one of the biggest IPOs. The estimations are just under a trillion dollars. Um, another IPO that might happen soon is the the SpaceX one that is stealing from everyone's four oh one Ks. That's very a complex topic. I watched like five videos about that yesterday. No, it's all there is to it. Well , it's about so okay. I'll tell you about that. Is there a TLDW? Yes. Okay. Well, yes. Okay. So basically when you invest in an index fund, an index fund is run by a company, right? So like Dow is like an is like a company that collects these index funds. And uh they basically, you know, you're forced to invest in the companies that they put on the index fund that they are. You're not picking companies, you're picking a fund. They invest a bunch of companies for you. And so what has happened is that Twitter that got turned into X got uh merged into XAI, right? Because they were out of money. Uh then XAI got merged into SpaceX because XAI was out of money and they were billion burning a billion dollars a day. They seem not related, but okay. It's a Russian nesting doll situation. The nesting doll. Yeah. Okay. So there is something related. Elon Musk. SpaceX is like a reasonably profitable company, and XAI just burns cash in an insane rate. Yeah. And so SpaceX and so Elon was like, if I buy X AI with SpaceX, I I don't lose any money 'cause I'm paying myself for this and all of X AI's losses gets absorbed into SpaceX shareholders. So the losses are their problem. Yeah. And so now SpaceX is filing to go public for like a lot of money. Uh the problem. Okay. The crazy thing here is that usually when a company goes public, if it's like a very large company, there's sort of this cool down period that usually is about a year before seasoning. It's called seasoning. Yeah. Where a stock basically the market has to see like is the stock gonna like go crazy and then dip or then blah blah blah blah. These index funds will not adopt the stock for a year, and that's just been a formality basically. It's kind of a rule that they use. Um but Elon basic ally convinced one of these index fund like the DAO or whatever the Nasdaq 100 the NASDAQ 100 to waive that formality so that the SpaceX stock will immediately get within I think 15 days or so get injected into all of these index funds. So now if you have a 401k that tracks the NASDAQ 100, you automatically have to invest in SpaceX. It the whole idea is that Elon and everyone at SpaceX knows that SpaceX is the most overvalued public company in the world. Like they they lose not quite a billion dollars a month, but I in the hundreds of millions of dollars a month. Yeah. And they're valued as like one of the most valuable companies in the world, right? Despite just SpaceX or X AI? It's the same company. Yeah. They're they're there. SpaceX AI, is the same. SpaceX, so Elon used SpaceX to buy XAI. Which bought Twitter. Yeah. So SpaceX, XAI, and Twitter are all the same balance sheet now. Yeah. And together, they record about $800 million doll ofars losses. I'm gonna fact check that up of the episode, but I believe it's about eight hundred million dollars of losses a year. Yeah. So the whole plan is if you can get all of these index funds to automatically buy SpaceX about two weeks after it IPOs, it doesn't have enough time to crash and that auto pumps the stock to infinity. So when the stock does crash, the people who lose are the people whose retirement accounts auto invested. And the people who already have the stock in SpaceXAI are the people who invested in Twitter and the people who invested in XAI, which is like a lot of the billionaires who funded the Twitter deal in the beginning. Because Elon lost half of the value of Twitter after he bought it because it crashed to half the price. You know how like in the meme coin strat is you tweet about a meme coin so a bunch of people buy it and then you sell off as soon as they buy it. Because you secretly own eighty percent of the that is that's the plan here. Is except instead of convincing people to buy it with a tweet. They're being forced to buy it. They're being they're literally being forced to buy it. Everyone who has a four one K. It's like one of the most insane financial plays ever. It's like stock markets sucks. It's all fake. Yeah. I I think a lot of people don't realize that these index funds are companies and they're not just like things that are sort of set up and managed by the government and are like a a you know a political, a moral whatever. They're like companies that their whole thing is that they track certain stocks. So yeah, it's crazy. I would I would recommend watching some videos on it. It's wild. Um yeah, and then Anthropics' potentially gonna go public. We'll see if open AI goes public. I don't know man, it's gonna be crazy. If the A bubble does burst, it'll probably happen in the next six months we're speed running running this whole tech, I feel like. Like two years ago we were like, Cool, look, Will Smith eating spaghetti or like it made a dinosaur chicken nugget surfing. Like this and now we're like it's too expensive to run anymore. Yeah. So Who do you think is gonna go public first? Anthropic or Anthropo Oh Anthropic before open AI for sure. I need to correct myself. I said SpaceX was losing about eight hundred billion dollars a month. I was not even close. Um in the first three months of this year they lost four point three billion with a B dollars. Okay. You misspoke for a second though. You said eight hundred billion. You mean do you mean million? Million. Yeah, sorry. Eight hundred million was an incorrect number. Four in the first three months of twenty twenty six, they lost four point three billion dollars, despite being, again, in theory, the largest, most valuable I still don't get it. No one knows. Because they're betting on the future. Enthropic is worth more than OpenAI now. Did you know that? Uh it's crazy. It's all spec. It doesn't matter. Well, in theory, not all of it is like there are companies you can buy whose balance sheets directly reflect their valuation. You know they just don't know how to grind. No, what they don't know how to do is pay another company to buy $800 million worth of their own product. I always found it weird when like a pro like we'll see something on stage happen and then we'll see like that night a story about how the stock price went. Like with the Ferrari Lucha, yes. Like the car gets announced and then they lose five percent of their value overnight. Yeah. That's just speculation. That's just people going , ah, I see that there are future plans for selling this will not work out, so I don't think they're worth as much anymore, so I will sell, or I think it's worth less. Well, in theory, that's the whole idea of index funds, right? It' likes you can escape the the volatility of a single certain market. But the contract sort of falls apart when the company runs your index fund is like, No, I'm gonna make so much money off of the loss. Well also, um, I think Hank Green did a good video about this. Like the point of an index fund is to escape the volatility of different markets, but when like eighty percent of the market is AI companies, it's still dangerous to have your money in an index fund now. So it's Yeah, well that's what he said. I don't know. I'm just quoting him. But did he say not financial advice? Several times rapidly into the camera. Without blinking. Actually, fun fact Hank Green is a certified public accountant. Really? But you still don't have to made that up. This is not truth advice. Okay. Um it's fine because the president has a name coin anyway. So don't listen to us. Don't listen to us. Go go go watch people who are very, very well versed in this. I only learned about this last week. Blame them. So blame them. Yes. Okay. Well, with that , we're gonna wrap it up with trivia. And then next week we'll have W D C for some reason you saying wrap it up really makes me want some sort of rap for lunch Taco Bell. I don't know guys before Google Plus was released how many how before Google Plus how many social network how many social networking sites did Google launch um would you like me to include social media platforms that Google purchased pre launch or just ones that Google was the launcher of? What were you gonna do at the beginning? I was gonna do Google launched. Google launched? Okay. Yeah. And is it close without going over? Yes. It is Price is Right Rules . So then just the number? Just the number, I don't need names. And I will fully accept that if you write to me about the one I missed, I will ex I will I will I will go back and award points. I feel like I'm I guess price is right, I just go with the lower version . And I would also like to make a clarification because there are lots of things that Google did that are sort of like social media platforms that are not, in my opinion, social media platforms. Oh, this is based on your debate on this. Oh, I am not including dodgeball because while that does resemble Foursquare, it was an SMS service and I don't believe an SMS based service could be I think that's pretty so a social network. Uh I am not including Picasa Web because the social features were an afterthought. It is a lot counted out of photo service. I am not including Google Open Social because that is a protocol and an API. It is not an accessible platform. But it's a Fediverse. I am not including Google Wave. What was that? Uh it was sort of like a bulletin board, like that feels like social media though. To me. And I am not including Go ogle Buzz because social media. That's Buzz. Definitively social media. You think Google Buzz is social media? Okay, I will include Google Buzz then. Yeah. All right. How many did you put? Well, I should have put more. Oh, I went to the 14. Okay, we'll see. Bro, you made it sound like it was 800. No. Uh Marquez, what did you put? I put five. Unfortunately, as of my current list, you are one over, unfortun ately. Because I had four on my list. David, you put three . Which four did you I included haiku or uh I think it's pronounced haiku, uh 'cause it starts with a J. Sonnet. Um I did haiku with the J. Uh it's because it's a cross between the word haiku and a Finnish word for like short stories. Oh and it was a Twitter clone. Um Google Haiku. Wait a minute. No, hi sorry, sorry, haiku cannot be on this list. Haiku was purchased by Google after it was launched. I take that back. Uh so there are three. There are three. The correct answer is three. So David nailed it right on the money. I ing Oh no, but we put Google Buzz on the list. Yeah, Buzz. Oh yeah. Buzz, Google Friend Connect, and Orcut. And I had never heard of Orcut, but Google really tried to make it happen and it only took off in Brazil Can I read you a description of one and you can tell me if it's social media or not? Sure. The description is a mobile app for group discussions and messaging developed by Google. It was intended to compete with Slack, but it was where but it was a content sharing platform where users can create a space, invite their friends for discussions, share videos, images, text, and other media. I'm open to it, but what year did it launch? Yeah. Twenty sixteen. That is after Google Plus. Got it. And then okay. What else was I thinking? I like Google Wave as social media, but I I still lose anyway. Okay. Buzz buzz. If you are upset with the way I adjudicated this question, I encourage you to tweet at me or leave a comment. Google would really stick it to him by subscribing. Dude, if you subscribed, I would hate that so much. So I got the point. You got the point. And with that, you now are at 30 points. Andrew at 25 Marquez with 26 . Yeah. Yeah. That's closer than I thought. Cool. It's a closer. Wait, yeah. How did you get so many points? I think Mariah. Just only got a few. Did you have a crazy run or something? No, people when he was out, people got hell yeah. All right. Yeah. Team game. Question number two. Yeah. While Google Plus didn't stick around, one feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in twenty thirteen. What was it? I mean Google Plus didn't have very many features. But it did have these? It had the entirety photography community on it. These. I'm trying to figure out which one's stuck around. Oh. I already I I think I'm wrong but I'm wanna try it . Cause I don't know the name. Alright, flip em and read, what do you guys got? I'm worried there's a really stupid answer. That's what it uh Okay, we also different things. What did you write for is where? And you just had a complete different company, so you go first . Four square. That's not a Google project. I was torn between circles or whatever the chat built into it was called, and I ended up just going with circles. Nope. Hangouts. Correct. Oh. So that was what the chat was called. I used Hangouts Hangouts. Thank God a lot. I loved Google Hangouts. Which version guy over here. Remember when they integrated Hangouts with SMS and then they took it out and then they put it back and then they took it out again? It was gonna be my unified messaging app so many times. So many times and then it wasn't. And then it wasn't as a little chat inside of Gmail. No, I knew better. I knew Google wasn't gonna stick with it. Because when it finally got it, I forgot what phone was coming out, but I was like it was like preloaded on the phones and it was sitting in the dock and I was like, oh I could just use this. But I knew better. The one that really broke my heart was Allo. Because Allo had such cool UI and like the the animations and like the the stickers were so awesome. Yeah. That's because they were trying to copy iMessage and FaceTime. So they made Allo and Duo. And they kept the worst one. Duo sucks. Allo should have been it right. Well now it's just I think they integrated duo into Google. Now it's just meeting. The Google chat meet aloe duo call. We're not going to be ableone to see. some Someone read us out. Hey, if you guys uh if you made it this far, obviously uh you're uh you're a true fan and you've listened deep into the podcast, so comment deep