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Black and yellow, black and yellow. Isn't really middle yellow why are you shocked that I know that? I thought that was later than that. Old. Black and yellow song. Oh, it's actually called Black and Yellow. 2010.. Let's see What did you think this song was called? Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez. I'm David. And I'm Alice Ellis at the main table. Ellis at the big table. But then that means who Whoa! That's right. You guys asked for it. We delivered. We did. Mariah on the podcast. Hello. They do be asking. In today's episode, we've got uh a bunch of classic waveform stuff. We gotta talk about Apple, Samsung , upcoming products, things that we've gotten used to talk ing about a lot. Also, uh someone trying to beat Apple out their own game could be very interesting. It's true. Yeah. Not just someone. Well, I guess we'll get it. We'll get there. You can't jump the gun too much. Yeah. Uh okay. I got a quick update from last week. Uh 'cause remember when we were discussing whether or not John Turnus was going to take over either at WWDC? We knew that he was going to officially take over CEO in September, but we didn't know if he was gonna headline WWDC or if he was gonna headline the iPhone event. But now uh Mark German is reporting that Turnus will be headlining the September event specifically because he led the team that designed the foldable iPhone. So when they announced that, also, news story that came out yesterday, apparently it's going to be called the iPhone Ultra. I think that's interesting. I don't believe it. It makes sense. I don't think it makes sense. You don't? No. It's the ultra iPhone. But it's probably the least durable one. Oh, so Ultra should mean durable? I mean that's what the watch That's what it means over the phone So I guess in Apple Land, what does the word mean versus everywhere else? What does the word mean? Yeah. Everywhere else the word ultra on a flagship phone means the max specs, most features, biggest cameras, all that stuff. Which is what the laptop's gonna mean too when the MacBook Ultra comes out. Not studio. You think it's gonna be MacBook Ultra? That's what German is reporting. That it will also be Ultra. So then in Apple Land, what does Ultra mean? Ultra would be durable anyway. Mac uh Apple Watch Ultra is the only Ultra, right? Yep. So durable, also maxed out. Or M3 Ultra. But that's just the chips. Yeah, okay. Are they durable chips? That's a really good question. They are rocks themselves, I guess. They're silicon. Well yeah. So okay, it's gonna be the folding iPhone Ultra, and he is gonna be the one sort of headlining. And what we mean by headlining is like he's the one that opens it and then starts passing it to other people. Like previously it would be Tim Cook, right? He's the CEO. He goes, Good morning. We have so much to share with you. Thanks for joining us. Uh we have a lot to show you. I think you're gonna love it. Introducing the first person, or he'll go introducing iPhone, then fancy video, then head of iPhone product will come out. And then it'll go back to Tim Cook and he'll go. We also have something great to show you with audio. And then they'll play a fancy video of AirPods and then the head of AirPods will come out. Yeah. So now it'll be Turnus doing the introing and then the people who are getting those. I I yeah, it's hard to know. It's hard to know. I'm wondering if they do a one more thing with the with the ultra with the phone, the foldable iPhone. Because it usually they save the best stuff for like the end of the keynote. Totally. And I'm wondering if this is a big enough thing for them that they're gonna want more thing it. I think a brand new two thousand seven hundred dollar iPhone Ultra seems like it's gonna get a lot of attention. It'll twenty seven you think it's gonna be twenty seven. It's gonna be so expensive. I mean how okay. It'll be at least two thousand dollars. At least two thousand. I think it's gonna be nineteen ninety nine ninety nine. That's as low as I'd be willing to go. I think the over under should be like twenty one ninety nine. I could see that. But if we're doing prices right rules, then I'm doing nineteen ninety nine. Yeah. Yeah. Nineteen ninety eight. Y'all are both crazy. There's no way. No way it's that thing has to be more expensive. Apple is no longer the most expense like the super most expensive company anymore. They sell a lot of cheaper stuff now. Yeah, but they are also gonna start selling more expensive stuff. Yeah. Like the fold. I think they're gonna be more expensive. Like the Neo, they expanded down . This one they're just gonna expand up. Maybe. The Oppo Fine N six, which is what I called peak foldable. It has that like super awesome almost creaseless display. Yeah. Uh retails for roughly twenty three hundred dollars US That sounds right. With models in Australia and Asian markets. Yeah. I was gonna say twenty three ninety nine is my guess. That's I could see twenty four ninety nine. I can picture the twenty four ninety ninety nine dropping onto the stage and everyone going, Oh. She's not 2399? I could also see that. Remember Turnus is the one who announced the nine hundred ninety-nine dollar stand? Do you remember that? Mm-hmm. He got on stage and he was like, and the stage and the and the stand will be nine ninety nine. And everyone went, oh, and he just moved on. That was that was Turnus. That was something jumped in. Man, that's not a great track record so far. Yeah. I imagine at dubdub they're going to do something where Tim Cook will intro it. Everyone will be like,, oh and then he'll be like, and we're gonna move it over to John, and then we're gonna go, Oh, and that's gonna be cute. And they could both be on stage, maybe. That could be cool. That's exactly what we said, right? Because dub dub, usually it's Craig on stage because he's the head of Craig Feder g. So it'll be like Tim Cook and Craig Federighi will get on stage and they'll intro the event. Tim will start, pass it to Craig, then play the video. Incorporate some Apple product or service into the handoff announcement. Like there's gonna be some video where like Tim Cook or like John Turnus is like on his bed on his stomach with his feet kicking the air and he's writing in his iPhone journal app, like, boy, I wish I could be CEO one day and then like like like yeah Tim Cook like airdrops in through the ceiling and he's like boy do I have a surprise for you John Turnus Tim Cook cosplaying as Tinkerbell. Oh, I would love that. I would love that. They've done less crazy things. Yeah. John Turnis in the kitchen preparing food and Tim Cook shows up. He's like, this is your final cut before becoming CEO. Sorry. I like that. No, no. I also have an update from last week. Go ahead. And that is Mariah, hit the reverb. The Philadelphia 76ers are still in the NBA playoffs. That is right everybody. We were down and then we were up and we're still up. Three to two. One game behind. Going right back to Boston. Boston, if anyone in Boston is listening to this, you're going down. And if you're listening to this on Friday, you will know we either lost on Thursday and I am in the streets of Brooklyn crying my eyes out, or we won on Thursday, and we're taking this to game seven, baby. Also, uh the Thursday's game is in Philadelphia, so I was wrong about that. But anyway, go Sixers, Sixers and Seven. The dream is not dead. We did not get swept, Marquez. I'm impressed. I'm impressed that you didn't get swept. Thank you. Also, Joel and Bede . Y o! Are you serious right now? Oh Mariah. Oh my god, Joel Embiid, I capital L love you. Oh . Huh. They announced team dude. Get such world. Dude, the 76ers. 7-1, so can't be. Are you okay? You know, I I was I was hanging out at 76ers Twitter this weekend and it I do really feel strong ly that much like art sports reflect li fe and there's something to be said about sports team winning and wanting to win because winning is like the point of sports. But the complete nonsense chaos brand of basketball that the 76ers employ in both their front office and on the court, I think is actually really indicative of what it means to be alive in America right now and what it means to never give up and fight through everything that's coming at you. And like I to me, it's like I don't need the 76ers to be a championship team for them to be my favorite. It's it's the fact that they've taken me on this wild ride and they'd never given up, and it's a bunch of goofy characters doing Quentin Grimes was full court guarding Jason Tatum for no reason. Just to harass him. You know what I mean? I like that. It's sick. I love the seventy sixers. I love you, Joel Embiid. Knicks fans will be excited either way. Is Mike Bibby on that? Are they the next and then to play the winner of that series? They are. I believe so, yes. Okay. Yeah, so the office is gonna be has the potential to be quite tense. Yeah, we got a little bit of boot. For those who are listening to audio only, uh first of all, what are you doing? Um get to the video podcast you can see Ellis is wearing a sixers hat again. And Adam is wearing a Nick's hat. And uh yeah, so the rivalry is in the room. Are they playing each other at any time if in the future? If the Sixers uh surmount these impossible odds. Then we will have the honor of kicking them out the playoffs. Yeah, Adder ai will be will be beefing. It's gonna be good. It'll be good for the pot. I'm rooting for that. So normal day for you guys. Yeah. All right. Well, uh okay. We usually do, did they even test this? I heard that you came with one out. I did come with one. It's really quick. It's not that it's I you know, I'm sure I'm not the only one to complain about this. It's that um in Safari, the greatest browser ever invented, my my latest gripe with Safari is that in order to you know find on page the classic browser tool. Control F. Control F. Uh that is in the share menu on Safari. What? Doesn't make any sense. You open the share menu. Oh, it's not there. You have to view more. And then it is the second to bottom option. That's disgusting. You know where it is? You know what is where it is on Arc Mobile? Where is the rest of the settings? Where it's freaking supposed to be. It's in all the settings, and then boom, find on page. It's a major, major pin. It's a major . It's literally one of the most useful things you can do in a bracket. It's literally the first major option. So just st start using this dead product, Ellis. So did they even test this? Almost certainly, but I don't like the way you test things. Why not put it and they're just usually wrong. Arc browser is actually way better than Safari on mobile. Yeah, it's really good. It's it's just really good. It's hurricane. King. Yeah. All right. Won't be me. Well, we're gonna get into the actual news this week. Um all right, I saw the story yesterday. Yes, thank you, Mariah. That was me Uh I saw the story this week. There's actually a lot of Apple leaks going around this week. One of them being that they are adding a bunch of new AI photo editing tools in iOS 27. Interesting. And two of them are pretty normal. One of them I was surprised about, so stay till the end to hear the most exciting one. Great retention hack. Thanks. So the first one is extend, which is basically generative expand in Photoshop. Okay. Um we're getting there. Also kind of surprised that Apple's doing this because they've had a harder stance in previous years on what is a photo, you know? They've, you know, they've added cleanup and people have felt weird about that, but it didn't really seem like they were gonna go crazy on the photo editing stuff. But they're apparently adding extend, allegedly. There's enhance, um, which honestly just seems like a better auto mode. It says uses AI to automatically tweak color lighting and other image parameters. But the one that seems crazy that Photoshop actually just added, and I just don't know what the hell this is, it's called Reframe. When used in spatial with spatial photos, so if you have to take a spatial photo to get this to work, you can change the perspective of the image after its capture. See this? I've Okay. I have a feeling this is gonna be bad. So my question is like how much can you change the perspective? Like can you can you be like make this a picture of the back of them? Well, this is my well so Photoshop concurrently do that. Yeah. That's a feature that just came out in Photoshop. You can literally rotate any photo and it'll just generate what it should look like and then it creates but this one I said people though. I thought it was only objects. I could be wrong. No, people too. It is people too. Yeah. Okay. So my question for this is it like because you're taking a spatial photo it's using the wide sensor and the main sensor can you just change the perspective between that little parallax that you get between the wide and the main or is it like you can rotate it like fully that that wasn't And how much are they going to be capturing like quote unquote metadata with the other two cameras or the other camera and then inputting that into a general. Probably a little bit of both. If you always have the ultra wide frame going, then you can always have extra information about what's around what you take a picture of with the primary camera. Right. So maybe if they're smartly always capturing some of that information around the outside edge and then running it through a model and including that in a slight reframe, I could see that not being insane. And that would allow the generative expand to also use other things that were actually there. Right. 'Cause the ISPs in these in these smartphones they have like two or three now and they're they can just run all of the cameras all the time. Yeah. So maybe they're just sampling from every sensor and then if you use generative expand it, it stores that metadata like in a compressed format. Correct me if I'm wrong but the iPhone camera system , excluding the single camera ones, kind of already do this, right? Like every photo you take is there's image data coming from the other lenses too. Google first did that with like super res zoom. Yeah. Yeah. Um and I think Apple does that now as well. Didn't Google also do it? Like I vaguely remember the original pixels three. Three. Okay, yeah. Where it's like it's just always taking pictures and then when you press the button, like the shutter button, it just like saves that one. Well that's the next that the Nexus XP. That's just HDR and J. Okay. But there's also like the live photo thing. Yeah. Where it's always running a s a quick video in the background. And so if you take a photo and someone's eyes are closed or there's a funny thing happening in that moment, you can like watch the live photo and see the three-second video of that moment . Yeah. So it's always yeah, it's always capturing something. And if you do take a live photo, I suppose it has sort of like the micro jitter of your hand, and so there's a little bit of a different perspective there. It can use that information. Whoa. So yeah. I mean the pixel already does that. Yeah. And the pixel will I think they also say they take the center of the frame and add information from the telephoto. Yeah. So like it makes sense. They're just like slowly pushing the limits of like what counts as part of the original I'm curious whether or not they like lean into the we are still thinking about, you know, image like what is an actual image. Yeah. No way. They already forgot about all that. Apple didn't really. You know, Apple, when I go to some of these briefings, I don't know how much I'm allowed to directly quote them. Actually I'm not allowed to directly quote them. But a lot of the sentiment a lot of the sentiment is, you know, you see what those other companies are doing with these crazy AI generated adding things to photos. We don't do that intentionally because we try to keep the original thesis of capturing a moment that actually happened. Yeah. And yes, you can erase people from the background, yes, you can tweak colors and lighting, but it's it's a capture of a moment that really happened. So I guess if you're changing the angle of capture, you're not changing what happened. Right. If you're changing what is this, extending maybe what's not originally in the frame, but it's from information that was really there. Right. You can keep that same philosophy without violating your thesis. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. That makes sense. Apple is also like the least uh a tool is a tool tool manufacturer of like the military tech companies. I I mean it like like I do feel like a lot of companies are like we're trying to ols and we're gonna let people like you know do crazy, crazy things with them. And and Apple's a little bit more like we we want to make cool tools, but we don't want to make anything that you could potentially do anything evil with even if that or nefarious I shouldn't say evil but like nefarious with even if that means restricting our tools more than other manufacturers. Yeah true. Whereas Google's just like let it fly baby. Yeah. Like Google would like show thing you could you could literally remember that you'd have the kid on the bench with the balloons and they just like slide them over on the bench and you're like, Okay, now that's not a real thing. Yeah. Like everyone everyone watched that and went, Oh, they all thought of three other things that they could change in their head that would be completely insane and not part of the original capture. Yeah. So yeah, that they walk that line in a different very different place than Google does. Let's hear the story. I did. So I I was at uh I was at game four of the Sixers this weekend. Did they win that one? No, they did not spend $144 on the worst basketball game I've ever seen. Still love that team Sixers and Seven. What happened to this podcast? I'm on the subway. I'm on the Septa going back to catch my bus back to New York, and um kid and dad both in Celtics gear. Uh just kidding. But they had taken a picture at the game and uh they take a picture at the game and the kid and the dad very stoked head to toe jerseys. And the the dad's kind of kind of bummed because uh there's like a weird shadow across uh his face. And the photo's like kind of ruined, you know it was kind of thing where like a lot of people crowded area hey can you take this picture the only time for one snap they get out of there and the dad's like damn like I really wanted to post this but like you can't really the shadow's really weird you can't really see my face this is like not a really good memory photo. And the kid's like, no, you can just edit it. He's on a pixel. And the dad's like, no, that's not how photo editing works. The kid's like, not, by the way. Like like clearly an elementary. Just ask it to do it. The dad's like, no, no, no, like you can raise the brightness, but then it'll look really weird. And the kids just like, give me your phone and he does an on the subway, does like the I don't know, I don't have a pixel, so I don't know what tool, but he does the AI photo enhance thing and like cleans up the face shadow like that. The dad was just like, Oh what is this black magic? What? I was like, oh wow. So like not only are people using these features, but like children are like very aware of the phone how capable of it. If I showed some of this stuff to my dead grandma, like she would her mind would be blown. My grandmother recently passed away, and we have a video of my father interviewing her many years ago about her life story. So I was going through that video to try to like clean it up because my dad used Windows some like free trial yeah windows movie maker some free trial thing that has a giant watermark over it so I spent like a hundred something dollars on some weird AI video editing tool to like remove that watermark and it did but there are parts where the watermark was over her face and it just like completely warped it into some like demonic looking thing. Oh geez. So I am very skeptical about these tools with human faces in particular. Like that's a real touchy area because if it does it in the wrong way, it just like completely ruins the memory. Human faces, I think that we're particularly attuned So like you know, if Marquez gets generated on Gemini or whatever, and it's like it looks ninety-eight percent like Marquez, but he's satisfied. But that's not quite Marquez. You can always notice. I spent so much time looking at Marquez's face professionally that um And personally. Respectfully. Respectfully. No, that when you get shot on unusual focal lengths, I'm like like, ugh, something's real. Not that you look bad, but it's just like I'm so used to seeing you between 30 and 60 millimeters. Totally. That when I see you on a telephoto or I see you on an ultra wide, I'm like I do that. I look at him Yeah. Yeah. Uh remember when Samsung there was all that talk about how you could erase an object in front of your face and it would regenerate your face and it would actually look shockingly good? Yeah. Yeah. Like people on one hand hate that Samsung has to know a lot about your face to do that really good regeneration of your face. But on the other hand, it works the best for that particular use case. I mean that's the whole con the more context you give it, the better it's gonna be, but that means you have to give it more of your information and days. That's how it goes. Yeah. Um okay. Mark German leak that Apple is working on. So he went on um TVPN, which if people don't know, it's OpenAI's propaganda outlet. Oh that's the air horn. Hit the air horn. That was fire. Where is it? It's the there we go. Thanks, Alice. He went over six different new product categories that Apple is allegedly working on. So I want us to talk about each of these. Yeah. All right. Number one. Mm-hmm. AI AirPods. Here we go. Why? What is that for? I don't know. I could tell you there is some AI in AirPods already. Yeah. But what this means is something actually a little more insane, right? This is the cameras and the AirPods, right? Probably. Oh, this is like the the humane AI pods. So right now, AirPods can do live translate type stuff with AI. They can they they do cause they've always called it machine learning and neural nets and stuff like with active noise cancellation, transparency mode, and all the like stuff that they do with processing with the compute on AirPods. Yeah. Yeah. But AI AirPods is adding sensors and more compute to these things to make them like almost a little more standalone of like an AI thing. Totally. I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, I don't want cameras on my earbuds. Yeah. I also I will I think we should preface this by saying these are all things that they could be working on, not necessarily guaranteed upcoming products. For sure. There is for sure tons of crazy unannounced, unreleased products underground in Apple Park somewhere that will never see the light of day. This could be six of those, but they're at least thinking about it. Yeah. So yeah, A AI AirPods. You have any thoughts, Alice? Um my thought I have two thoughts, and they're actually in like direct contradiction with one another, which is if argue with yourself. If if it's like camera, you know, what is this a style AI product that has happened as a headphones in? I feel like they will almost definitely release uh like a necklace pendant. Well that's later on the list . Oh. So we'll talk about that in a bit. Well the one so the thing that these are closest actually to in terms of functionality would be like the meta glasses. So that that was my other point, which is like as much as I would love to see these as a pendant, just because I think Apple is generally really good at wearables. I also think like if this is personal opinion time, I think the metaglasses are like possibly the the worst idea of of a product in like the last 10 years. And so it's just like I would hate for Apple to get in on the always-on camera privacy nightmare. We don't care about you. Yeah. Train. So here's where I'll push back a little bit. Please. The the meta all the stuff we've heard about meta has a lot to do with privacy and how the data's been treated. Yeah. And the one thing that Apple has always been on the I'd say correct side of the line is how they treat your data, which is most of it never leaving the device, most of it being treated very securely. Yeah, if it does leave the device, it's encrypted to all hell. Right. So if they can offer the same functionality that Meta is with the glasses. That's a great point. Which is potentially being able to ask something about what you're standing in front of. I'm staying in front of this monument, but I I'm hard of hearing or I don't have great eyesight, but tell me what I'm I'm about to like be looking at. Stuff like that. Yeah. Could without having glasses on, could give you the same functionality and deliver it directly into your ears. It is true. The fact that you need to be wearing these glasses in order to get the contextual information is pretty annoying. And in at least in Brooklyn, if you are walking down the street, you are wearing headphones. And the one thing Apple has been incredibly good at for a long time is introducing I found a tweet from even more than six years ago when those came out, and I was I was sh hard. Because they looked ridiculous. Well I was wrong about that. They objectively I think you were right. I think they do market . They objectively look ridiculous. But traditionally, everyone's wearing them, they don't look ridiculous. The first one gen ones still look stupid in my opinion. With the long stem. The long stem. The long stem. The long stem. They did shorten the stem. Yeah. I think I was a freshman in college when they came out, and I just remember them instantly becoming a status symbol. Because it's not like they were super expensive, but they were pretty expensive. And it was still like when they came out, the big question was like, How are you not going to lose these? Yeah. And so it instantly became like a I'm wealthy enough to lose these and buy another one sort of product. I don't know. But so that's how I feel is like I I actually I I I take back what I said, Marquez, 'cause you are right. Like I do think if Apple did make the I'm always pointing a camera at something, they they would hopefully keep that in line with their current data practices. Yeah. But I have trust issues. Well every this is the kind of what I think they're going to struggle with is anytime Apple is going to have a camera that is always pointed at people, even if they have all of these security practices and all of these things about we only use it if you give it these permissions and we only use it when you say these certain commands. People are gonna feel nervous. Like, remember when the air tags came out and for like six months people were like, I'm gonna be stocked with these. Yeah, true. So Yeah. Which is a real problem. Yes, which is a real problem. I have it's not necessarily trust issues. It's more that the practical way these products work, they're gonna have a leak at some point, right? Because there's gonna be something that the camera doesn't understand, and there's gonna have to be a third-party human looking at it to decipher to make the models better. That's like a moving forward. Apple does the reason I want to see how they're gonna navigate it. I think that's the reason. It's like a double-sided or double-edged sword. Like that's the reason Apple's AI has been so poor is because they don't do that. Yeah. So their models are so far behind because they're not improving in that way. Yeah. And so you get the benefit of having that extra privacy, but you have these far worse, far smaller models with way less information. Maybe what they'll do is they'll take the image and then they'll send it to their like private cloud compute that's running the Gemini and then Gemini will parse it and then send it back to your your house. The most popular feature from everyone I've talked to who owns meta glasses is just being able to take pictures and videos of NP it. Nobody really cares about the AI parts of the thing . What is the angle like from the side of your head? Oh, you think they'd be on I assume they would be on the Oh no. On the case. Well well then wouldn't it just you're that's just eyes. Yeah. That's the point. Exactly, just like the metaglasses. So they're they're operating at your field of view and can look at what you're looking at. I I totally assumed it would be like a lanyard. But like on your ears? Like what about my hair? Yeah, those questions. There's a lot of questions that makes sense. Ellis I actually like your opinion like thought process on it. 'Cause it would make a lot of sense to put it on the case because then you're not sh you know, having a camera looking at people. That was a rumor though that potentially Apple was going to do a camera in the Apple Watch. If the if picture this solves the hair thing, right? Because if the cameras were instead of being on the stock were on the outside of the bud facing like perpendicular to your eyes, you would in order to at like look at something, you'd go, move your hair back and go. That's actually true. I'm hearing images right now. And uh could Apple make that a thing that people think is normal? Probably. Maybe. For audio listeners, I just uh pretended to brush my hair back and did the most cartoony I'm listening to something cupping ear possible. Point your ear at the thing. So well yeah there's a lot more products on this. There's five more products. We really got to run through this. So number two, smart glasses. We know they've been working on these for a very long time. Bring it on. This seems pretty straightforward. Yeah. I don't think there's really a lot to talk about there. Well, I guess it's do will they have displays or not, which is I don't think displays. I think they'll start with no displays and they'll eventually make a a one with displays. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. That just shows your notifications or something. I don't know. I do have one interesting thing to say about the smart glasses, which is probably going to have like a million people in the comments being like, you have no idea what you're talking about. But Apple loves aluminum. Aluminum's really cool because it is strong and light, but it is also bendy. And if we learned one thing from talking to the metaglasses engineers, it's that bendy smart glasses with displays are not good. Aaron Powell And so I wonder what they're gonna make them out of if they do have displays. That's my two cents rubbing those pennies together. Up next was a smart display. Yeah, so this is basically it's like a home display it's it's oh it's like the the yeah it's like a google nest uh nest hub home hub nest hub it's the one they've had in a basement of Apple Park just like waiting to be released for a decade well they're home it's it feels so obvious. Like the home pod sits there, it's a nice speaker. You have a home pod mini, 'cause home pod wouldn't 'cause it's a bazillion dollars. So then you have a ninety nine dollar home pod mini. Yeah. That's still a hundred bucks, it's still just Siri. What if you could control your home kit stuff and but and press buttons instead of relying on Siri? It seems so obvious. Yeah, I have a Nest Hub Mini and a and a home what is it home pod mini. I have both of them. Yeah. New next to each other. Yeah. Because I like the I like the display. You know, it would be very obvious. Um I don't know how the they haven't done that yet. But an extension of that is their tabletop robot that they've been working on, which is effectively like an iPad on a little robot thing that can like move around and point at you and do stuff like that. This has been rumored for quite a while at this point. I never got this one. What does it okay? I get what an iPad does. I I'm picturing it on a table connected to an arm so it can point in different directions. Why would I want it to be on a table connected to an arm? Um I think it's Oh like the center stage camera already lets me have a FaceTime call and walk around. No, no, no, no. So I I I have a a thing to add to this. Do you remember a year and a half, maybe two years ago, Apple released that research paper on animatronic motion? Do you guys remember this? Yes. They built a smart lamp. Yes. And they did all of this testing to see what kind of moves does this robot lamp. It's sort of like a Pixar lamp. Yeah. What kind of moves does it need to make to make people like it? And they discovered that in order to make people like the lamp, actually these non-linear sort of extra artsy dancey moves were really so I wonder if this is the culmination of all of that . So interesting. I mean, considering they used to own Pixar, they have some lineage there be fun. You remember the what what was the phone that just came out? The AI uh little gimbal on a phone. Oh the honor. The honor robot phone. The honor robot phone did that. Yeah. It is a c I guess it's a concept phone. It's not like f a retail phone. But it it had this gimbal with a camera on top of it and it would also kind of give you these like little nods and shake its head at you and it would give you not fully anthropomorphic looks, but it would kind of have a face type of thing. Still still kinda weird. Yeah, I'm not really sure what Apple's angle on this is. Yeah. To be honest. I don't I don't understand that product, to be honest. I mean it would be cool. I uh yeah, I guess I sort of agree with you. The the lamp was really cool. Like I'm uh the lamp was really cool because uh it had this sort of ability to you could direct where it was what it was illuminating with all sorts of like gestures and commands and it would just sort of seem like the most fun futuristic lamp you could buy. But I don't know if it has a if it's gonna have like a grasper or or or what ? I don't think it's supposed to have a grasp thing, like a like a claw. Yeah they basically made a Pixar lamp. Oh my God. In real life. If it is actually a lamp and it has a display with speakers, I would use this. If it was a lamp, this would be like an eight hundred dollars . Probably if it was a lamp, I'd be stoked. I only think it's a lamp just because they don't they you know this is on Apple's website. Like they this is something that they machine learning reason. Uh you should read this paper. It's it's really cool. Like the they did a lot of research into like to in order to move six inches to the left, do you do it linearly? How do you ramp the speed ? Do you move animation in real life? Like cock back and then switch like it's really cool. To make it friendly, yeah. Yeah. Um also just want to say if they release the the home pod with a screen, they're gonna call it the home pad. Yeah. Um that's just wanted to actually been the leaked name. God. Sorry, Alice. Yeah, they but that's probably what it's like. If you search home pad, it'll come up. No way. Yeah, sorry. All right. Security camera. No, actually, actually we skipped pendant by accident. Well Yeah, we did skip pendant. I mean we kind of pendant it's another version of let me put a sensor on you that you can wear all the time. It's not glasses, it's not on your airpods, but it's around your neck. Uh works in fashion. You g put a nice Hermes necklace or whatever. I don't know who makes necklaces, but you put a a fashion accessory around your neck and then that is your little AI accessory from Apple. Chokers are back, baby. No. Apple choker.. Dude You say that, but someone's gonna do that. I know, but AI choker just sounds like the way we all gen alpha it's gonna be already being made. The thing about this is they kinda tried to make the Apple Watch fashion, you know, they made well they really tr they really try to make it fashion. The gold one? Well, all of them really. They but then eventually the Apple because all the Apple Watches look exactly the same, like the shape of them, I never really want to wear mine anymore because it just looks like what everyone else is wearing. It accidentally yeah it was funny. Before so it started off there were no Apple watches. There were some smart watches and they were kinda dorky. So Apple watches there were like watches are fashion. So if we are going to sell a watch as Apple, the cool tech company, it needs to be fashionable. So they made the Apple Watch edition, they had a gold one, they had this Her mes collection of watch bands, they had all these accessories, and they very much uh marketed it and presented it as a fashion accessory that happens to be uh connecting to your iPhone. Fast forward to today, it is everywhere, like you said. So now it's less fashion, more utility. I remember having that like random Kevin O'Leary interview pop up on my feed every once in a while where he's like, I wear this extremely nice watch and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that Apple watch, because that's that says I'm 50% off. And I I have this incredible timepiece I love. And I'm like, that's how people appreciate fashion watches, think of the Apple Watch now. So it's flipped. Yeah. But yeah, it's been it's been one of those things that just has a ton of things. Well, so my question is like if you make a pendant and they all look the same, I mean part of the part of the reason people wear necklaces is because they're unique and different. So it's kind of insane to like release one necklace that looks exactly just different chains. Yeah, but that's not enough differentiation, I don't think. I mean with the Apple Watch, you just changed the band. Okay. What if it goes the what if it goes the way of AirPods? The little white ball is a status symbol. The way AirPods were . And it's the I have an iPhone necklace, but then you get to fashion accessorize it with a different chain. I think people if that's enough. Unfortunately people But okay wait we keep omitting a part. What it does do? Nothing. Yeah. Right? That's a lot of stuff. Well, it's always records. It's endlessly gathering context and offering you like the AI assistant the same way the Meta Glasses AI assistant has context. I have a feeling it won't have a camera. Yeah, it probably doesn't need a camera. The pendant, I think, is just gonna have like a noise. It'll do all the other biometric stuff that you need to know. Like, are you in a loud environment? Are you how many steps is that a pedometer in it? Yeah, is it gonna listen to everything you say? I doubt it. It's just gonna listen to the key. I think it'll have like temperature sensor and like a loudness sensor, and it'll just be all those things that it's like your ambient environment, and that way it can be put into your health app and then eventually because they're eventually gonna like move further and further into the health stuff and try to like you know say, oh I've known every environment that you've been in in the last month and now you can give that data to your doctor and then your doctor can tell you if you know you I don't know, have been going to too many concerts. No, no, no, no. That's true. I'm not sure. I think all of these new products sort of beg this are beginning to beg this question of what cognition are you willing to offload? And I'm not sure context is the kind of cognition I want to offload. I'm not saying it's a bad thing if that is, but like the whole this whole idea of like it'll it'll just be constantly capturing your day and all the things you hear and stuff like that, like I get it in in theory, but I I feel like I I do find just like remembering what happened in my day And the kind of cognition that I'm more okay offloading is like what's the the best way to organize this div class in a in an HTML doc. I'll offer you a devil's advocate. A lot of uh Apple's best products come with a great ad that demonstrates like how they expect people to use it and like the use case for it. And human memory everyone knows is inherently a little bit flawed. Yeah. And so there's gonna be the use case of like, Siri, where did I leave my blah blah blah? And it's going to go, oh, last place I saw that was Blair. And you go find it and it's like, ah, I'm so glad I had this context gathering thing that remembers it because I didn't remember it. Yeah. And Aaron Powell Well in the first like year of ChatGPT, every AI like startup company was some sort of just context necklace. Yeah. I I just think we should be aw 'cause I do kind of believe that when you offload the forms of cognition to the AI, you lo you lose them and you have to retrain them if you want them back, you know. And I do think we have to start asking ourselves like what are we okay losing because as soon as you start put as soon as you don the pendant and you begin f not being as aware because you can sort of just be like oh the pendant will remember that I think you will very quickly realize that your short-term memory is just gone. Yeah, there's been studies already showing this. Yeah. And so I think I do think as as cool as the idea of I will never lose my keys again will be, um, I do think we need to start asking ourselves that question. Am I willing to lose this part of my brain? And there are parts, again, I 've already decided which parts I got rid of. Yeah, I I do not want any mental space taken up by how HTML works. I am totally fine letting it. Everyone everyone will have a different line in the sand for what they're willing to offload. Yeah. I have my tasks app that I fully rely on. If I don't write it down, I'm not going to remember. Yeah. And I know I won't remember. Yeah. And I know that if I write it down, I will. And that's that's where my line is for some people. When I go through a briefing and I need to remember all the little details or something, I take my notes. Some people specifically use AI tools to take notes on meetings. That's the thing that it's good for. You get a little summ give you a summary at the end and that's why you use it. So yeah. Well speaking of capturing other people doing stuff, the last item on this list is a security camera, which I mean I I like it going back to what Adam said earlier because now we know that the ring cameras are just cybersecurity nightmares and like unbelievably easy to hack into. So I would hope that we get the the Apple encryption treatment on the Apple canvas. That would be nice. That would be a big up for them. A lot of people would probably like that. The other thing is that they just have not pushed into smart home stuff almost at all. But they're like the hub, but none of the accessories. Yeah, like made for home kit is this like over ly convoluted like thing where they have to approve everything that gets the made for home kit badge and like they're way more strict about it versus like Amazon and Google. The reason that they were supporting matter so heavily is because the amount of products that are that work with Home Kit is way, way less than like, you know, Google's like in the middle there where they have some made for Google Assistant or whatever. And then Alexa's like, let's go, baby. J keustep slapping it on. Yep. So they were happy to have the matter products. It makes more sense for them now to actually get into their own product category again because they could, I mean, they could dominate with a lot of home stuff. This this to me felt like another obvious one. Yeah. Like they make the iPhone, which has a great camera, and also a smart camera experience, and then they obviously they make the home hub and then they can have a connected thing. It's huge. Yeah, and then put the screen on the home pod so I can see my feed. So when someone rings the the Apple doorbell I get the feed from the video. Yeah. Maybe that's what the the robot is for. So when you someone rings your doorbell it'll swivel over to you and be like, Hey look, it's John Turtis at your door. Yeah. He wants to be CEO. Is the A eighteen gonna be in everything? Are are we like a few years down the road? Are we just gonna live in a a giant sea of A eighteen chips? I mean they barely have enough for the Neo right now. So yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, there's a whole iPhone in your display. If you if you have a if you have a an iPhone and a studio display and a MacBook Neo, you have three A You have three like identical devices right there. Yeah A18, A18, Pro Oh no, yeah. So base iPhone. Yeah, base iPhone. And then a studio display non-XDR is also an A18. Is there an M chip in there? No, there's an A18 in this, right? Yeah, there's an A eighteen in that. Yeah. The Pro iPhone has a eighteen pro though. Okay. A nine an A nineteen pro actually. A nineteen pro. So you have an A nineteen, an A eighteen, and another eighteen. It's crazy. It's the A. 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So grab your favorites while they're available, go to Massa chips.com slash WAFORM and use code WAYFORM for twenty-five percent off . Alright, we're back. Um okay. We were just talking about Apple making a lot of AI stuff, so now we're gonna pivot it a little bit. Um Samsung's display list smart glasses have leaked. So displayless? So just glasses, glasses. They're just well, they're smart glasses, just AI glasses. They've got a camera. They got two cameras. A camera and AI glasses. Yeah. So if you click the link, uh I have some there are some renders in there. Let's see it. But Android Headlines got a hold of some supposedly, allegedly leaked marketing images for the galaxy glasses, if they're accurate. Galaxy glasses. Yeah, galaxy glasses, which makes sense. Oh my god. Why is that so funny to me? Because it sounds like galaxy glasses. Yeah, that might be why. Galaxy glasses gases. Okay, well if they're accurate, they have dual cameras, which is interesting. They got one on each side. They will have Samsung branding on the side. Uh they don't seem to have an inner display right now, but apparently that is coming later next year. Mm-hmm. They are said to run on Gemini uh XR, you know, Android XR, which means they'll be controlled mostly through voice commands. And the alleged specs are the Qualcomm Snapchat and AR one chip, which makes sense. 12 megapixel Sony sensors, a 155 milliamp hour battery, which is in line with the Ray Bans, bow conduction speakers, 50 grams, rumored to be priced between 3 79 and four hundred ninety nine dollars, which is a a quite quite wide range. It's kind of a big range, but it isn't actually that big of a range. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Like somewhere under five hundred. Yeah. Is it's not impulse by territory, obviously, but it is not cheap. They need to make these cheaper. You think so? Yeah. So the metas are what, 350? How much are they? But they went up, though. But those are also Ray Bans. True. This is a random Samsung, like Samsung . But aren't they going to collab? So I haven't read this article yet, but typically there's some sort of I think they all recognize they have to collab with a glasses maker. I don't know if Sam Parker or or Luxotica, whoever. They just they need someone to make the glasses. Samsung hasn't announced a collab yet. Google did. Maybe Google's doing Warby Parker and Gentle Monster. Right. There's only so many companies to go around. I like Gentle Monster glasses. That's exactly the reaction I have. Yeah, but I'm not sure They're hoping you don't think about it as Google Glasses. They're like, oh, I could get the Gentle Monster glasses with these features in them. It's one hundred percent gentle monster because that's also a South Korean company. That's true. Interesting. But can they do that for Google and Fitzground? Yeah, I think they can they can Google and Samsung are like besties slash friendemies. I think once you're off the market, once you do one collab, you're locked in. Once you already have a date to the prom, you can't mess around like that. We've seen the movies. Well, did they say that Google has a collab with them or Android XR has a collab with them. Google. It was Google. It is Google itself. So I don't know. We'll see. But I mean, overall, Android, like you're going to see this is Google's advantage in this case, right? It's it's the same advantage that Android has over the iPhone, where they have so many manufacturers. Like uh Samsung is gonna make smart glasses, Oppo's gonna make smart glasses, Vivo's gonna make smart glasses, OnePlus is probably gonna make smart glasses. Everybody in the club. Everybody in the club makes smart glasses. Everyone's doing it. Stop. Is that not how that song goes? My question is, why is it dual cameras? Um, why the left and the right? So they're not all dual cameras? No. So metas are just on one side and then a sort of dummy lens on the other side for symmetry. Yeah. But you only record from one side. Would that be for depth information? Maybe. That seems like the only reasonable way to have two cameras facing the same direction from slightly less. Maybe it's for the the Galaxy XR glass. That's probably so you like you record in 3D, maybe, and then you can watch 3D videos. Yeah, if you have a fixed distance, this is what we're talking about Ellis with the rigidity. Like you have a perfectly fixed, exactly measurable distance between the two lens es at all times, you can design an algorithm to make stereoscopic video from that. So we saw it when I'm just project Muhan, now it's the Galaxy XR. Is that what it is? Let me double check, but yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know. I I I don't know if there's Galaxy XR. I don't know if there's that many Samsung superfans that are like gonna spend that much money on Samsung smart glasses. I would personally buy Google smart glasses before Samsung smart glasses. So it'll be interesting. When those are out, when the Samsung ones are out and the Google ones are out and they have a hugely overlapping functionality. Yeah. And they look almost the same and they're priced almost the same. Like what's gonna make someone pick one versus the other. Samsung's gonna have to figure out how to make them work better for their ecosystem. Because they have Samsung health. They have like, you know you just look at your washing machine and it starts cleaning your clothes. That's actually probably what they're gonna do. They may have stuff that Google doesn't make where you could just like tell your fridge to do or like ask it what's in your fridge and it'll tell you. True. You know? I just wanna say it doesn't matter who makes it. you I'fre wearing glasses and recording your daughter at her birthday party, I'm gonna make fun of you. Just like the Apple Vision Prince. I love that apple. That's like the that's the one that's like the one use case I think is like cool with these, you know, like being like, oh, I need to take a video right now. Yeah, but not like a I mean like the spatial video when they were demoing the Apple Vision Pro and it's just the guy like all up in his daughter's face. That's that's yeah, that's insane . That I'm surprised we didn't make fun of that more. Oh wait. Being the one guy at a birthday party who's recording everything with a Vision Pro and like actively moving into the being the one guy at anything who's using a Vision Pro is to What's it like to live in live in confertino? Well my gosh. Yeah. Okay Yeah. So here's here's the way you capture that memory is to be that guy. and people still I don't know if you were getting roasted for using one of those. You were, I remember , but I had one of those and everyone made fun of them. Yeah, but at least it wasn't mounted to your face. But it was, I think. To get the right PO I mean, kind of. You had to put it up to your face like this. Well, and the the very first ones were so big, they had to sit on your shoulder, and then you had a a pack that you wore on your belt that actually had tapes. That's So it was like yeah. That's sick. I guess the novelty of like the first cameras recording stuff, it was such an impactful thing to be able to actually watch something back later that maybe it was worth the social trade-off. That's true. Now it's like oh I can watch it in three D. That's yeah. No, but I have to put on your like sweaty thing. Yeah, I'd rather not wear this thing. I can just capture it with my phone like everybody else and I can still watch it and experience it later. And watch it in in three D because the iPhone that's going to like depth convert your things now. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know man. I don't know I mean it's a good way to capture stereoscopic video. I just like worry that this is just about training data. Like it's all about training data. Like all these companies just are just trying to get training data and they're like,, Yes oh we'll we'll give you some cute glasses in exchange for you you being our little lab rat. Correct. That's what all of big That's technology for the past twenty years. Yeah. Yeah. But especially the last five. Yeah. Yeah. Especially the last five. Yeah. Um, switching gears. Okay. This is a weird one. Spotify premi um now includes Peloton classes. Wait. Um what? It's only the Peloton classes that don't need dedicated hardware, so no tread, which is the the the treadmill, and no Peloton bike classes. But everything else, like running yoga strength, and pilates , you now have access to in Spotify Premium. They're saying I have a Spotify Premium subscription.. Uh-huh I can open the Spotify app and I can take a yoga class in it. Correct. That's fine. Okay. Yeah. Cool. I mean, there's a case to be made for like Apple has the run with me and like the walk with me things. Yeah. And you know, if you have like a running coach in your ear, I guess that's considered audio. You know what this is the opposite of what like some companies uh like car companies, their brand is so well known for one specific thing that if they want to branch out into something else, they have to like start a new brand name to do that. Yeah. Even though they're the same company. So like Nissan makes you know cheap, reliable cars, great, but they want to make luxury cars. You can't have an expensive Nissan infinity. Boom. Now you can sell the same stuff or sell more expensive stuff under the same company name, but a different name to actually get that across. Right. Everyone knows Spotify is music. Yeah. But they've been trying desperately to add to that, whether it's podcasts, whether it's the DJ, the AI stuff. Now this like Peloton class and yoga class, like I I want it to be not the Spotify name. Yeah. To actually have a chance. I mean Netflix added games and then they added podcasts, you know? And Spotify added they added audio books and they added podcasts. 'Cause remember Spotify originally didn't have podcasts. Right. And then then became like the de facto podcast app for a lot of people. And I think they believe that that's because of the Spotify name. People open the Spotify app, they already like Spotify, they use it already. And so we're gonna leverage the Spotify name to also be good at at and popular these other things. I mean at the end of the day, it's like they I mean they need to add more value in some way, but all of these streaming companies, whether it's Netflix, whether it's YouTube, whether it's Spotify, are just trying to build out full ecosystems where you can do basically everything in it because you know there's this um what is the saying it's like we're competing for your sl we're competing against you sleeping is what I don't remember what tech CEO said this but, he was like',re We competing with your sleep. It was Reed Hastings, Netflix CEO. He said, We're competing with sleep on the margins. Okay, I can see that. That makes a direct okay. I think that also was in particular. Someone was asking him about the competition with like YouTube and stuff. And he was like, Oh, we don't really consider them a competition. That's really funny. Considering also that YouTube is a direct compet itor. That's really funny. Yeah. This is how they're describing this move. Time on Spotify should feel meaningful and intentional, not something that slips away in a blur of mindless scrolling. That's why we've always invested in experiences that leave you feeling more energized, in control, and empowered. We also look to user base and creators on our platform for inspiration, and that's why we're expanding into the new category, fitness . Yeah. I mean, I can kind of see it. And also Peloton is like on the verge of bankruptcy again. So Ether Launch. You know what I mean? I think that what Peloton gets out of it is if people like the classes in general , they might buy a Peloton subscription for the actual bike and the tread. And then Spotify is like, oh, we're technically offering more value. If you're a Peloton user who doesn't have the bike or tread, but you still like the class es, then you could just cancel your Peloton subscription. True. If you're paying for two subscriptions, you can cancel one of them. Yeah. Damn. So Peloton probably hates this. It's weird. It's I think we're just gonna keep seeing like YouTube added the games and I I think we're just gonna continue to see all of these streaming companies build out the services that they offer so that you never leave their app. Fair enough. Um but it does feel weird because Spotify should not be a fitness company. I feel like when I think of Peloton, I imagine it just it always appears in places I don't expect it to be or it should be. Yeah. Um just in advertising and like weird places they feature it. But it is bizarre that for this Peloton thing you actively have to go out of your way to search for it. It's not like in the home UI. You have to search the word fitness and then it pulls it up. So it's not I mean it only launched like yesterday or the day before. So you might not even have gotten it yet. It's there. Oh. Yeah, it is there. What is a sweat free work? Oh, it's I guess it's like yoga. That's not really a work. I give yoga. A lot of people sweat while they do yoga. I'm gonna do a s here. Let's do five minute breathing. I guess I can't play this because there's some breaking news that I just saw. Breaking news. Um Google Photos is going to is launching an AI trony- feature for clothes that you own. Oh, this is stupid. Clothes we already own? Yes. So you have a picture of No, it's not stupid. I think it's cool. No, it I have a big problem with the whole Google like try on this clothes with AI because that's not how clothes work. Clothes like clothes clothes drape over your body in a way that an AI just cannot predict. It is true. It doesn't the It would also need an in-depth knowledge of where the stitches are on every art. You could see how a color would work on behind that. Which is helpful though. Maybe this is like getting at the 80%. It's not going to be 100% perfect, but I can get a better sense of the proportions of something maybe if I use this feature versus if it's just floating with no body in it or a mannequin. I don't know but if this is stuff we already have, it already has the data That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If it if it already has a picture of you wearing it, then maybe it would. Yeah, if the feature is just like show me how this fits on me and it just shows you the picture you already took. It's like that's how it fits . Yeah. Yeah. I mean What is it supposed to do then if it's not just showing you pictures you already took? Well no, it's not just showing you pictures you already took. So it it'll create cutouts. Here's uh directly from Google's website. Okay. It'll create these cutouts of clothing that you've uh you have photos of yourself wearing and then you take a photo of yourself, well I guess it probably already has photos of yourself, and it will literally put the clothes on you. So this is more of like a mix and match type thing. Yeah, it's a mix and match. You can save outfits and you can also share them with friends. Look, you guys think think the save with as a very non-fashionable person who's really bad at clothes, I kinda I kinda really like this. I mean, there's companies that make apps for this. I was gonna say this is Sherlocking many apps. This isn't unusual. Because those are all paid apps. Well now Daddy Google owns your outfits. It's not good. But I'm a huge fan of this because one of the biggest like tech things from movies that I've always wanted was the wardrobe from Clueless . And that's what this is. It's like a smart wardrobe. Yeah, exactly. You like it tells you what certain things in your wardrobe and how it looks on you. Like you could just swipe through and create different outfits based on the things you've worn. So like if I wore this jacket today, but tomorrow I wear a different pair of pants and I'm like, huh, I wonder how that jacket look would look with those pants. Yeah. And then you could just like swipe them through and make it look. I love this. Filter by category, look at everything together or a deeper dive into a single category. Example jewelry, tops, or bottoms, then scroll to rediscover long forgotten items that might be buried in your closet. That's also cool. It's good, it's good. Create outfits with ease, mix and match items, um, and try on looks virtually. See how an outfit will look on you before you get dressed. See individual pieces and then click try. What I want is I want Gemini to suggest me clothing pairings. Let AI dress you? Yes. I'm sure it'll do that. It'll you'll probably go, I'm going to a it'll tell you like what kind of um event it is, like black tie, whatever other themes like. I'm going to a podcast. I mean and it'll be like wear that thing you wore to the other podcast. And I'll be like, Really? This is is this probably like inherently tied to Google shopping, right? Yes. A hundred percent. Obviously that's the most. It's going to start showing you things that you don't already own for sure and tell you, oh, you could pick it up. I'm down with that, bro. You know it would work really well with that pair of pants. you keep wearing Yeah. This other shirt you don't have. You know how people are like, I love Instagram ads because they're relevant to me and it's actually good. Like I 'll say that. People do say that. I agree with that 100%. I do say that. I have never bought anything on Finstagram yet, although I might next week because I found something that I might want to buy for somebody I know. But uh and I keep you know being like I can't let them win, I can't let them win . However, but it's really good. I I don't like going to just like clothing stores and just like looking at stuff and then having to I want to just like swipe through a gallery and be like that looks good on me and then buy it. That's all I want to do. What if it's like, hey that, shirt you have doesn't look too good on you? What about this new shirt over here? I don't think it would tell you to look like sh. I don't think so. I don't think that's how clothes work. I don't I think I think that's it's not how clothes work, but it's eighty percent how clothes work and that's how most people understand close to work enough. It's better than scrolling a website. Would you do this? It's way better than scrolling a website. I don't Would you do this with a car wrap? Yes. Yes. It's like D brace. It would essentially be perfect for a car. Yeah. Really? You don't need to see it in natural light and see it in see the material and i for the again the ninety percent, like yes, there's the five percent of like how does it look in different lights for different angles, but for the ninety percent of like I can just import a model of the car and then just copy paste the texture onto the car, that's good enough for me to decide. I don't know, man. I've been suit shopping a lot lately and like I know my my jacket. Suits are very different. No no no no no no it's all it's all the same bros. It's different than how a suit fits. Yeah, I think there's how picky are you gonna be about this piece of clothing, which is the same as the car.. Okay We'll we'll talk about the t shirt I'm wearing, right? This is uh this is a color who makes it a colorware? It's comfort colors. Right. From shop dot mkbhc.com. It's it's gorgeous shirt. I love the shirt. Oh you look really good in it. Thank you. Yeah, it's incredible. I forgot if this is a larger or an extra large. You know what would solve that? AI Google fit. It wouldn't because because there's no Google fit. They can bring it back. Oh my oh my god, Google . I don't know there's there's too many seams, there's too many there's too many measurement points. You need to see how how the clothes like drape over your body. You need to know the length of all the stitches. I'm not saying it's impossible for an AI to have all these data points, but I'm saying knowing these tech companies, they're not gonna get the data point of every article of clothing that's ever made and know all your measurements. Here's a question. They're gonna hallucinate it all. Here's a question. Right now when you buy a shirt like this, it shows you just like the shirt with no body. Yeah. And maybe a couple pictures of it with people. Is this better than that ? It's somewhere in between. Like the perfect thing of trying on the shirt in a mirror, that's a hundred percent. The zero percent is just a render of the shirt with nobody. Somewhere in between is it's gonna try to estimate how this will fit on you and hopefully it gets it not terribly wrong. That's like somewhere in betwe I guess you know to that I would just say that like for me personally, like it most online clothing has a model in the picture. It'll say something like the model is six one and wearing this size. Yeah. And you can usually extrapolate like, oh, this is and given I'm still really bad at that, I order tons of stuff that I'm like, this technically fits but makes me look like a cereal box or this technically fits and makes me look like a penguin. You know, it's so like like for example, I got, you know, big long gangly arms. I gotta have something with a slightly longer sleeve. You know, otherwise I I look ed at the thing that it's good at that maybe. I don't know. I'm not I don't have faith. But we should stop talking about it Well, okay, last note . I will say like I've never again never bought anything off Instagram ads, but I might next week. But I almost bought this sweater one time. There was like a big kind of holiday sweater and had a big cat face on it and it was very cute and looked very warm. And uh then I looked at the the reviews and it was like this is the worst fitting thing, the cheapest like material. So like my concern about it is like you don't know how good the material is and that's For sure. And you also don't know the manufacturing like there's so many different ways you can make a T shirt. There's so many different machines that can make a T shirt and they all make a different quality shirt. But this is also for clothes you already own. Yeah we're talking about the we're talking about the inevitable future where they get Well that they already announced like last year, didn't they? The AI shopping triumph. Yeah. With like a few supported things. Yeah, really really I got us off the rails by being like, I know this new thing is coming out is fine. But that thing from last year I'm still mad about. It's okay. Well, one of the big stories of today, um, open AI is reportedly working on an AI smartphone to compete with the iPhone. Okay. I have one question about this. Yeah. This is different than the Sam Altman Johnny I think they pivoted. So they're not making hardware anymore. We don't know. This I would say probably again falls in the same category as a lot of the Apple stuff we were talking about earlier, which is reportedly working on, means Yeah, they're of course. Well apparently there's there's already so supply chain analyst mention quo posted a blog on Twitter about this saying they're already working on it. Um they're in late stage talks with Qualcomm and Media Tech to build bespoke processors for it. And they're co-designing the phone with Luxhare, which is a major uh Chinese components manufacturer. So it's like it's in the late stage, and I believe they said it might be releasing around the end of 2027 . Which is pretty late stage. Yeah. Okay. So Yeah. I I have no doubt that a lot of people are really interested in what this could be. Yeah. The other thing is uh like all of the current smartphone makers are doing their best to add tons of AI features to their phones. So is there anything that we think OpenAI could do in their smartphone that would give them an advantage that others like Google makes phones, Apple makes phones, like that that they couldn't do. Yeah. The main thing that I'm thinking about is like if they build their chipsets and their phones specifically to be more optimized for things like con continuous contextual processing. Right? Like if it's always listening or something like that. In a way that like Google wouldn't with Tensor and Gemini. Google Google could with Tensor on the Pixel later, but they would have to start doing that now, which maybe they already did. Apple would never really do that, I don't think. Um I just feel like this makes a lot of sense for open AI and not a lot of sense for the customer that's going to be using it. Because I already have a phone. Just because Apple doesn't let open AI do certain things on the phone, like that's not my problem. They said it's to compete with the iPhone. So it's going to be Of course it is because they want to be able to do things that Apple won't let them do. Exactly. It's the direct competitor to the iPhone because Apple will never let open AI do all the things that they want to do on the iPhone. Yeah. So app OpenAI makes their own hardware. People who are willing and want all that context and all this stuff in their account to work best on a phone will prefer it, I guess, over the iPhone because it all that stuff. And hopefully it also does all the stuff Apple does well. I mean the crazy thing is that apps would not, like there's not going to be app developers for Yeah, there's so many other things that come with making a smartphone that you have to get good at so fast, like developers, cameras. Yeah, I suppose unless you believe the kind of pie in the sky idea that Sam Altman keeps talking about where apps don't need to exist anymore, 'cause you can just ask it to do things and it will just do everyt We're so far from that world. I get that that's what people are trying to do. That's like 2050. But that's we are far from that world. Apps are really good right now. Yeah. And like s being able to rely on services and have specific have trust that the thing that you do is gonna act the same way every time. Those those are important. And I don't I just don't think that asking your phone to doing do something and having like a seventy to 80% chance that it actually does it. I don't know if people are gonna be down with that. Also like maps data, like Google Maps, like how would that be? Asking it for the weather. There's so many good weather. Oh god, it's gonna just gonna hallucinate the weather. Yeah, like there's there's things that phones do incredibly well. You know what this reminds me of? That video we did about the Neo-Robot. Yeah. Where, okay, if you believe in this future, like you really think that there's a world where this future product knows enough about you and has enough training data that it can actually be useful, then you have to launch a version of it before it's ready, before it has enough data, and before it's even good at anything to have early adopters start to help you make it better and train it. And then by version three, four, five, it could get there. Yeah. But the only way you could get there is if you start now with this probably inferior product. Yeah. So we're gonna get maybe an open AI smartphone in 2027 that probably has a way worse camera than the iPhone and a way worse app store than the iPhone and a way worse bunch of other things than the iPhone. But it'll do the beginnings of this cool thing well. And people who are believers in that five years down the road mission, they're gonna get one and sign up for all the stuff and beta tests and they're off to the races. Yeah. I think OpenI is putting a lot of eggs in a basket. They need money so bad and I think they're looking at Apple and being like the amount of Apple money Apple makes on the iPhone is so astronomical that this could solve all of our problems and all of our commitments that we've made for trillions of dollars. And I just I think they're they're just the operating system on it. Well, this is the question. Like I is does it run Android or are they gonna create a bespoke operating system? That's the other question. I just feel like OpenAI is a complete nonsense company at this point . Like we're burning through cash at a rep record rate. We need cash flow. Let's start a hardware stack. I know in something that we have no experience. Like that doesn't make any business sense whatsoever. That's the scale you need to compete at when you owe the amount of money they have. The only way they're gonna get that amount of money to pay back everyone that invested in them is to compete with the iPhone. No no no. Well like that's crazy. That's the scale they need to work . I think so, dude. Their commitments are insane. That's it. But you remember the guy that asked him, like, how exactly are you going to make this money? And Sam Alman just goes, We'll buy out your shares from you, bro. We'll buy your shares back from you. But it's just to me, it just feels like if if you have invested, you know, billions of dollars into something, you're now billions of dollars in debt. And your idea for how do we get out of debt is to start a new chain of investments because none of the other money we spent will make a gambling addiction. That's what that's called. That's called complete nonsense. When I think of an open AI phone, I think of like the crypto phone, the is it Solano phone? Solana saga. They're all they're they might be real, but like no one has them. There's no market for them. Who is this for? And why are you wasting your money making this? Because somewhere out there, there's a bunch of early adopters who the entirety of San Francisco. Yeah, really actually really want it. And it it sounds ridiculous from the outside looking in, but there are a lot of people who are yeah, going all in with like, oh, I've changed my life with these products and I've optimized everything and I've started new businesses with it and of course I would buy an open AI phone and that that's the world I live in. And so this is starting with that demographic of the very beginning of the what is this curve called? The earth the whole adoption curve or the the very beginning of it. That's those people. Is it people who want the product or people who want to make a lot of money? Uh I think they're one and the same. I think that when you s when you talk to Tesla people on Twitter you get the sense that that's it's one large mob. I think that's kind of the same thing here. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to see if people really trust the company enough to have a phone that does all of the things with all the context. I just yeah. Yeah. The the the general sentiment on AI is really bad. Uh I think Neil I put out an article recently called the the people do not yearn for autom ation. And it's it's true. It's just like the general sentiment of AI is very very, very, negative and the people who are making the AI stuff in San Francisco just don't see that because everyone around them like there was a tweet recently. No, even better 'cause it could pop. An echo bubble . It's an echo bubble. It's an echo bubble. Um anyway, yeah. Who knows, dude? It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be a crazy few years. Yeah. I think that we should do another uh trivia question ad bre ak and um but first before that we should do the trivia question before the ad break yes hit the music next trivia time i'm ready you know what it is you know what it is what is it? Black and yellow . I actually shocked that. High school. True. Fair enough. Touche . Or middle. Actually, that was middle school. That was middle school. The song? Black and yellow. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Why are you shocked that I know that? I thought that was later than that. Old Black and Yellow song. Oh, it's actually called Black and Yellow. 2010. What did you think the song was called? That's what I was yeah, that's where I was I don't know. They kinda say it a lot. What are they talking about? Bumblebees or some what are they talking about? Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh. Oh really? Why is Pittsburgh black and yellow? Steelers, bro. Mariah! Mariah!hat W was it? Oh my god. This is a ball podcast. I thought the Steelers were were um ball. Football. Ball. Yeah, that's a ball. It's oblogent. I thought ball only referred to basketball. No, balls, ball. Balls. When you say no balls. So when you say you know ball, it just means you know sports. It just means you know ball. Means you're stupid. David, you know ball about tech. You know ball. I know ball. You guys want to hear trivia? Yeah. Yeah. Is it about ball? Uh my trivia question for you this week um is about a little historical question. So this week in history, on April 28th of 2003, Apple launched the iTunes Music Store, which tightly integrated with the iPod and new model of paid digital downloads. My question for you is: what was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system that enforced playback restrictions on the songs purchased from the store. Oh, I didn't know there was DRM. Yeah. It has a name. Because I've I've I've I've ripped a lot of MP4. Careful, Alice. Careful! No, but you can rip an MP four or whatever, but if you buy a scam, yeah. No, I that file scam No, I This is in two thousand three, so I I have my entire iPod classics M four A's. I think it changed over time, I could be wrong. Also I yeah, I don't think they really care anymore. Um Apple DRM. What would if I was Apple, what would I call my digital rights management software? I'd call it I'd call it ILOC. The stem. Something. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. You know ILOC is a real thing, right? No. Is it? Is it a digital rights management something? Oh it is. It is. Oh. You bought me one. Huh? That's my ILOC. Dude. This one? What is that? Is this for passwords? Uh no, it's the for a lot of audio software will not run unless that is plugged into my computer. Oh, same idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't steal it. So you're definitely a user who bought it. It's audio software makes you have a DRM hardware key? It's more of like a two-factor authentication. Audio equipment. Yeah. Okay.. 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I think anyone can maybe start them. I'm not sure. I love this. It sounds like it's sort of like Discord meets the Twitter spaces they find it. Sort of. Yeah, so you can limit how many people can contribute, um, but people can still react and vote in the polls if they are not contributing. And the chats are openly discoverable, so you can go into the section of like the live event chats and you can just see what people are talking about. Which I think is really cool. I'm curious how many sort of different uh limits it'll have. Like maybe we can have a studio chat that everyone could sort of react to, but maybe not chat in . Yeah. So they can see it's like a live blog. It's like Verge does the live blogs for like big tech events. I think it'd be really cool if we could do our own live blog but on Thread. I think that's exactly what this is because every time there's a live event, we pretty much just take over people's feeds. So this is a way to like contain silo it. Yeah. Well and also make it so you can see all of it in one place instead of the way threads normally works, which is terrible. So I g I guess I'm picturing this as like there's an event happening. Only certain people can contribute, but I guess it's open to anyone who can view. You can also make it so more people can mess like contribute. Like it can be open to the community or just contained to certain people. Trevor Burrus So an event is happening, six of us are in the th read live whatever it's called, live thread, yeah. Posting about things from different angles, media, text posts or whatever, and then it's all in one place and people can jump in and jump out. Yeah. It's our Slack, but for everyone to read. Yeah. Which I think is sick. Cool. Okay. I'm pretty excited about that. I think it is gonna be cool for the events. Yeah. Um it'd be cool if you could also have it like ping pin certain threads accounts and then their actual thread posts appear. Like if you were doing a tech event, you could add like a bunch of other tech journalists, and every time one of them posts an update, it shows up in this like scrolling feed. You would have to assume that they're posting about that event, I guess. Yeah, you would have that's 'cause it's like it seems like it's the place that you're going to post. Like jumping in, posting, or viewing, and then leaving when you want to and coming back. I mean I think you can do that though if you just invite them and they accept. Sure, yeah. Well I guess I was thinking like that David showed me this cool app called Surf. Mm-hmm. The Fediverse browser. Yeah. Like I I guess in my head it was sort of a com averse corner. It's a Fediverse corner. We're bringing it back. It's uh it's the Russian nesting doll of the Fediverse, basically. But I was gonna say, I think this is the feature that might convince me to get on threads, maybe. Because like I'm seven. Lately, well, exactly, because I've been really enjoying using social media as of late for specific things. Like for example, like I took Twitter off my phone, it was like rotting my brain. Now that the Sixers are in the playoffs, I want to be a part of Sixers Twitter, so I I got it back. I I convinced my feed to literally only show me Sixers posts by only interacting with Sixers posts. You can train it real quick. And then and then when the Sixers when the Sixers win the NBA NBA championship in June, I'm gonna delete Twitter off my phone again. And um who get out of here, bro. It's the guy wearing the NYX hat. Yeah, of course it's the guy wearing the NYX hat. Sur surf would be really good for that for you, to be honest. Because uh there was a huge migration from Twitter to threads specifically from NBA people. Yeah, NBA on Blue Sky and Threads is like a thing. Is it really? Yeah, it's really poppin' on threads. But NBA Twitter is so good. NBA Twitter has all the chaos and the dark memes that the professionals are on Blue Sky threats. Interesting. Yeah, do you want do you want the professional takes? Do you want to see like what Shams and those guys or like the journalists are saying? Or do you want the deepest, darkest memes from other Sixers fancy. My favorite basketball journalist is Adam Aronson who's on Twitter. Uh but I think he's also on Blue Sky. Yeah. Well an event that maybe we'll be able to use this uh if it goes live by then is the Android show, which is happening again this year on May twelfth. Last year they showed they introduced expressive design uh material . Yeah. It was a seg yeah, it was a segway. Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. Last year they had the material express ive design. They had Gemini Live that they showed off, which is crazy that it's only been out for a year, which is crazy. Uh Gemini Cross Devices. They also had a device showcase where Dieter just kind of like walked around and showed all the different four factors of Android. Check this out. Yeah. Check this out. Yeah. So we have no idea what they're going to show this year. However, they did say it was going to be one of the biggest weeks for Android ever. Interesting. One of the biggest weeks for Android This is big for big for my fellows out there. Is this where Pixel Glow gets announced? I doubt it. I like the new look. Yeah. I like these new icons. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. That's another segue. Yeah. Uh Google this week did an in uh like a massive gradient redesign of all its icons because Gemini, you know, they're they've been slowly like changing everything to be gradients instead of like hard cuts. And now they redesigned almost all of their apps to have sort of the Gemini gradient designs. And I think they look really, really good. I can hear them. They're beautiful because the previous icons all had the same like Google colors. Yeah. And I could not tell them apart. They were so similar. Do you remember? Google Drive next to Google Maps in the dock. They just look like the same.. Next to photos Yeah. Look at Google Talk. Google Talk and Google V yeah. Gmail and Google it was just a bunch of blocks of the same app. Well they they used to be the same app and then they separated them Aaron Powell Yeah, but if you're in Google Messages and then you try to video call someone, you can't Google Messages. What is that? That's Google Chat. What is Google Chat? Or Google Talk. How is that Google Messages? We're simulating a conversation that they have inside their own . What is that? What is that? What is Google Talk? How is that different from You made that? Is that the phone one? Is that the one where you got a phone number? No, that's that's Google Voice. Yeah. Okay, which is different than Google Talk. is Why there not? Just one. We've had this is this is the last 15 years of Google. Death, Taxes, Google Messaging. That's not Google Talk. I'll die on that hill. Anyway, they're a little more distinguishable. Google I don't know what that is, bro. I don't fing know anymore. I still use Google. I'm out of it. Yeah, in Gmail, I believe Google chat is what they think of as like their Slack competitive. It's like I am. Yeah. Like Teams or something. Google chat. Yeah, it's like Teams. Okay. They used to have a chat thing in the email. Did they just like fully remove it? It's still in there. That was it. Yeah. It's still in Gmail, but it's also a separate app because they're trying to make it like Microsoft Teams. They've also got Google Voice. Yeah, so you know. I get it. But moral of the story, icons are better now. I just gotta say, Google Keep also got a uh an icon update, which means they did remember it exists. Wow. I thought they were gonna kill it. I'm kinda happy it's still here. No, they're gonna keep it. It was on chopping block. Yo, baby. We all thought it was on the chopping block because they updated tasks, right? Or they were gone. They did tasks. Well, and they also updated the task icon. Yes, they did. It's beautiful. So both people did something. And Google Sites also What is Google Sites? It's a web development like platform. It's like it's like baby Squarespace. They're gonna start. You don't need any of the shiny markets, you can just vibe code it now. So I don't really there Google Sites is for sure on the shopping blog. I feel like they were like, hey Gemini, create an app icon for that one because we're probably gonna get rid of it soon. Anyway, that's pretty fun. I think this has been a long podcast. So I think that we should just uh actually let's do one more really quick story. Uh YouTube TV is now letting you do multi-view layouts. I like it. So I'll be able to watch mostly watch the Knicks series and then like in a little separate view I'll be able to be like how much are the sixties losing by? Oh come on, brother. Back to check. Oh my god. Twenty points to Marquez. You do realize that we we had well it was the it was the largest fourth quarter comeback in NBA playoff history. Really? Last game. All right, that's props. I must I need to make sure I get that. Uh I get twenty I assume that's a pretty big comeback. I will just say to Ellis' point, this week I am a Sixers fan because I'd rather play. Because the only reason that you're saying that is because you think we're a bad team you could beat in the second round. Absolutely. We have to make a tech analogy to keep I would not have added this last story if I knew we were going to talk about basketball again. We have to make a tech analogy to talk about ball. So if you want to talk you can talk tech all you want, but if you're gonna talk ball, how about you have like a tech angle? Here, here, the Sixers, the Sixers are like are like blue sky. What? Okay, I'm gonna hear this. Super fun to look at. Tetiverse this. Yeah. Super super fun to look at. Tetaverse this. Tons of crazy promises. They're like, give us time. It's never gonna actually be good.. Okay Okay . But you know what? We're all here for the ride. That's valid. You know, I'm on board. I'm with you. Thank you. That was good. Well one of our best studio shorts is making tech analogies and I think we should keep doing them. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I I think that's a bad analogy. Also, I like Blue Sky. I'm just I'm just mad because everyone here hates my freaking basketball team and my my dwelling. David relates very much. Yeah. About hating his team. No, about like the frustration of Blue Sky never gonna be actually a thing, but there's so many good ideas under the surface that people will never see because they never give it a chance. When I went yeah, trust me process the pro dude, the protocol is so good. The protocol is amazing. And when I went to Yeah. Yeah. And when I went to Atmosphere Conf, like there were so many people making really, really, really awesome things. If you had a boost guy hat on right now, this would be the perfect analysis. This would be amazing. Yeah, exactly. We have hey Paul. We had Paul. If you're if you're hearing this, if you guys make hats, send one my way so that I can compete with Ellis' Sixers hat. Oh my god. Um That was a hilarious little segment because it worked perfectly. David, you don't know, but that was a perfect analysis. It was actually great. That was great. AI was the answer. Joel Embiid is the process. And now we got VJ, the protocol. Okay . It's not what they call them. All right. The last thing I want to say about this YouTube TV thing doing multi-view layout, and I'm stealing this directly from Mariah where she said this in Slack. Uh just do it with YouTube, you cowards. She's here like her saying. Oh wait, actually, um , you want to watch two YouTube videos at once ? Well you watch. Mariah say it say it. I was silence . Mariah say this. I want YouTube Stim Station. Why can't I play more than one YouTube video? I can think of like the same time. Yeah, I guess. If you can do it with TV like a bar, how a bar has it where they have like four games playing at the same time, why can't my house have four YouTube videos happening all on one screen? Four YouTube videos do you want to watch at the same time? I wouldn't let's play one corner. Podcast in the other corner. But you can't put the audio. Here's something I recently learned. It's kind of the opposite of what you're asking for. Is YouTube knows that people watch a video on their TV and then they pull out their phone and they have their phone and they're actually looking for the next video to watch on their phone. Yeah. And so they're working on better multi-screen experiences where you're watching a video on your TV and you can control that video, but you also can like pick the next queue up the next videos you want to watch on your TV. So you're not watching two videos at once, but it's aware that you are using YouTube in two places at the same time and making them talk to each other. I also think the reason they want to have multi-view and YouTube TV is so that they can be shown at bars and show off multiple games at the same time. Twice as many ads. That as well. And they could just lie to their advertisers that people are actually consuming those advertisements. This is so crazy. But it makes sense for bars. Makes sense for bars. Yeah. Just let me split screen. We're we literally live in a world where it's like I want to watch this YouTube video, but my attention span doesn't work well enough. So I'm going to put subway surfers in a separate video below. Yeah. You know, there's like in-programming advertising for this in Amazon Prime, right? Like when you watch NBA games, not to bring back to basketball, I swear it's not about basketball. But when you watch when you watch NBA games on Amazon Prime, I don't believe the announcer, like the guy who's calling the plays in the game, will say. Reggie Miller? Yeah, he'll be like, you no, Reggie Miller's ESPN. Stop idiot. Tributing. No, no. The guy who's like calling plays, he'll be like, NMB makes a crazy three. By the way, you can also watch another game by clicking this button on your remote. And it's like why does the basketball man know about my remote? Yeah, it does happen. Yeah. I did watch uh I watched a little bit of the second season of Fallout recently and during the ads, you can just tap it's like buy this on Amazon. It's a one click thing during the ad where you could just click one button and a product gets shut to your house and I was like, this is dystopia. Dude, Amazon Prime Video is the most dystopian . When you're like watching a sports game and it's like, here's the betting odds baked into the UI. And you're just like, Yeah. Let's just do the trivia. Let's just do the trivia. It's been a long day. Bring it on, baby. Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score. Yeah. Marquez with 21. Andrew, who is not here, with 22, David 26, and Ellis with the zero. Wait, should my points go towards Andrew Andrews? Yeah, I think I got you. Does he though? No . First question: What does GSM stand for ? You know how I thought I knew it earlier. How do you think you knew it? I I actually don't know. I don't know at all. I shouldn't know this. I should really know this. I think if you guys use your imagination, you could figure it out. Do we get one point per correct letter? No. That would be crazy. I can't afford to go behind by that many points. All right. Flip him and read. What do you got? I really should know this. This is crazy. Ellis is way over. Ellis, you're still writing. Ellis has read both of our answers and is now writing his own. This is normally a disqualification. Yeah, it's fine. It's for the meme. Okay. It's fine. All right. What you guys got? I I'm guessing. So I wrote some generic terms down. I said general service module. Ooh, that's good. No, that is good. I tried. I wrote global , serialized , mobile . Yeah, I don't know. Close. Really? Ish. Oh. Global. Two out of three? I think global is probably right. Yeah, global's correct. I put glob al. Shy Gildus Alexander. Stop. Mobile correct . Um the correct answer was global system for mobile communications. Oh wait, are you serious? That's what I That's what you put first? That's what I put and I was like global system mobile doesn't make any sense. Are you kidding? That's why I said you have to use your imagination. Andrew, I'm sorry. Damn. Are you using this for Andrew's points? Yeah Can we have a hint? No. None of us are gonna get it. You sound like me. This is a really hard question. I had a softball question before this. I wanted to go harder. It's gonna be the same points. We literally never get points on this podcast, so I can give you my other one as well if you want it after. I would do that. Thought you guys were nerds, you should know this. Bro internal DRM nomenclature? What are you talking about? I I should know this. Yeah, I thought Ellis might know it if I were to guess. I'd put best odds on Ellis, but I'm not gonna get it. Yeah . Alright, I put iTunes Secure Payments. I put he prote c. I put no ownership for you. What the f Oh you're all so close. Uh it was called fair play. Ow. Like share play and airplay. They would call it something fair as if it's fair. It's funny. I mean it's more fair than spot. It's more fair than all streaming services. Can I have the erase? Yeah. Uh can we do one more question? I would like someone to get one point. Okay. Yeah. You guys should definitely get this one. And if you don't, I don't know. What's the name of Tim Cook's father? Daddy. Mr. Cook. I met someone from Alabama on my recent trip and I was prepared with the fun fact that Tim Cook is from Alabama. Did you tell them? Yes, I did. And he was like , did they like it? And they were like, oh, I didn't know because they were from Alabama. They're like, there's not that much uh sorry, Arkansas. And they were like, There's not that much star from Arkansas. We have this one thing with Walmart and this other thing. And I was like, Tim Cook's from Arkansas, no he's from he's from Alabama. I guess I didn't retain that information as well as I was hoping . That was last week . That is last week , huh? Whoops. Damn. Fake news. It doesn't get better than this folks. No, do not cut that. It doesn't get better than this. Alright. Give us your softball. No, they're just gonna believe you, bro. That's not a thing that I think they want to fact check you. Right. It's because they're both A. They're next to each other. Yeah, they're next to each other. Are they actually next to each other? I think so. That makes sense. Because I don't know where else they'd be. Alright. All right. Bonus question. Bonus. My question for you is which year of WWDC introduced dark mode to iOS. Oh my god. Is it prices right? That's not an easy question. Come on, you should know this. Is it what are we doing? Delta or price is right ? Dark mode. I mean if you're within like a ye no. Get it right or don't. What year? Wow. What year? Okay, I gotta count back. Oh god . So like