Motorola Amazon Affiliate Controversy

Wait, wait, wait, wait, Adam. What was the results of last week's poll? I have an idea. Ask Gemini, based on the comments, what it thinks we should do. Sorry, Google Gemini was like, you need to fix the chapter s. No. Guys, we do this every week. We fix we add chapters every week. Dude, I have told you two to fix chapters. Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your host, I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. And this episode we've got two of the biggest stories, probably at least on your feed, but maybe of the past couple months, which are the Fitbit Air and the Ferrari Luce. Both very much wayform topics. Uh plus we got a bunch of other stuff, Motorola hijacking affiliate links, uh a professional soccer match shot on iPhone. Uh for audio listeners, I did air quotes when I said that. And uh disco morphism is alive. You Spotify listeners already know what we're talking about there. Uh, but first, if you didn't already see our bonus episode on Tuesday this week, we had a fun conversation with Joanna Stern. Just you know, two New Jersey tech reporters chopping it up. That's what I like to see. Uh so if you haven't already seen that, definitely go check it out. If you have and you're not subscribed, what are you doing? Get subscribed. Make sure you're on board. Wouldn't have missed it if you were. Exactly. Uh, but first , did they even test this? I have a quick one. That's what I like to hear. Okay. Maybe this is only on Android Auto Google Maps, but how come on Google Maps in your car when you're when you have a root set, it shows the speed limit, and when you don't have a root set, it doesn't show the speed limit. Like when you're just driving and don't have a desk final a destination, right? It does not show the speed limit of the road you're on. But if you do have a destination, it shows the speed limit on the UI. I don't know. Why? I feel like I should always want to know what the speed limit is. Well there's interestingly in Google Maps, well I guess first of all, it's more sure about knowing exactly which road you're on when you're navigating. Sometimes there are roads like overpasses and tunnels and stuff where it doesn't actually know which road you're on, but if you're navigating, it's pretty sure which road you're on. I don't know if that's true. That feels like such a quick overlap that like it shouldn't make that much of a difference. As long as I'm moving. If I'm like stopped under an overpower, here's why. It is it is estimating how long it's gonna take to get there based on the speed limit, right? So if you don't know where you're going, it has no idea how long it's gonna take to get there. So it's like go as fast as you want. But I have to assume that you're officer, I didn't have a destination plugged into my Google Maps there for Autobahn. Yeah. Autobahn. But yeah, there's so many just like back roads where a speed limit sign doesn't show up forever. Well on the backgrounds it doesn't matter. On the backgrounds, you're flying off rocks. Not legal advice. Yeah, well. I just think that feels like such an I feel like it's a setting. It's in the settings, isn't it? When it shows the speed limit. I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe that's a ways thing. There has to be a reason for like how it knows where you are has something to do with you being in movement, maybe. I it's following me still showing me. Live updates on the road that I'm on. Like it's moving with me. It it knows the road I'm on. It's gonna use the same information. I feel like there has to be a reason for this. Maybe it's just trendy. Oh yeah, maybe it's Google and they forgot. I know, I know, I know. I have a good reason. Maybe it's because when you're not navigating anywhere, they want to keep as little stuff on the screen as possible so to keep it clean. There's more space on the screen when it's not navigating because it doesn't have to show me directions. When it doesn't have to show you directions, it wants it to be cleaner so you can like look around and see the roads and like maybe you want to navigate somewhere later. But if you're navigating somewhere, all you need to know is your navigation right. Yeah, if it's cleaner, they have more room for the giant volume dial to be to take up the speed limit that I think. Depending on the car, yeah. It's like three percent of the bottom right hand corner of the screen. I think it could show me. It's got plenty of space for it. We're thinking of zero reason. It's Google. It's Google. That's the reason. All right. It has. Zero reason. Speaking of which, and we'll and we'll get to this later. I didn't want to make this the did you even test this because it's gonna be such a big part of the podcast. I wanted to make it the did you even test this? We'll talk about the Fitbit error. We'll talk about the Fitbit error, which I like very much to be clear. However, uh there are many bugs . And uh when I talked to Google, I got on a phone call with them and they said, we just really don't want to make the did you even test this? That's hilarious. Um the segment has made it out into the world. Points to you guys for actually watching the show. Yes. Uh but unfortunately these bugs have not been fixed by you still have to test it. And it is it is in the wild and people can buy it and therefore I am going to have to talk about the bugs. Send this to the maps team also. Yeah, true. Maybe they can please it. I was found a Reddit thread from two years ago asking the same question. Oh nice. This is why I use Waze. Beautiful. Nice. Okay. I actually found a Reddit thread from three years ago, I guess. So Dude, I tweeted that six years ago. I guess we're starting with Fitbitair. In that case. You guys already know we put the review out uh of the Fitbit Air. Marquez has got his orange one that's the Steph Curry Special Edition. Sure do. So does Adam. His came in yesterday, his retail unit. It is much nicer than the other options that you can buy. For some reason, the material is nicer. It it is water resistant, whereas the other ones are not water resistant. Wait, you're saying the Steph Curry one is water resistant? Correct. And the others are not? Correct. Really? You found they get like it has a water resistant coating on it. Whereas the other ones Even the ribbed ones? The ribbed ones are water resistant. But the what do they call this? The performance one. Performance band, um, yeah, they're not water resistant. They can get wet and they can soak. You said that yours felt like wet after working with it. Yeah, it still definitely gets damp and holds moisture after a workout. So I'm kinda su I'd be surprised to see if that was even more. I mean, but look at this. This yours has a bunch of rubber on the inside. Yeah. That one doesn't have any. It's literally just the fabric. So that's gonna be worse. Yeah, it's not necessarily water resistant, probably just feels less wet. Well, on the website it says that one's water resistant and this one isn't. It said it has a water resistant coating on the stack on the threads. Someone should test that. That's what it says. Well, uh okay, so we have a lot of thoughts because last week uh we had not yet passed the actual review embargo. We had only passed the unboxing embargo, which was very vague to be clear. Um this has been a problem for many years where companies will have multiple embargoes and people just sort of push the line of what it means for something to be a review. Yep. Famously, like Tom's Guide and Gadget and whatever would call things hands-on review when it was a hands-on video, it's a sort of get around the no reviews yet thing. Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on this. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I won't to spare you. But TLDR, it dumb. We can yeah, you can check the feeds and you can see lots of not quite a review but almost kind of a review videos out there. Yeah. Uh but the reviews are out now. Yeah. The actual review embargo was Tuesday at nine a.m. Eastern Time. So now we can actually talk about our full thoughts about the Fitbit error. We can evaluate it. We can evaluate it. Of which I have many, many, many thoughts. The first being like it is incredibly ironic to me that this is both a really, really good device and a really, really buggy device. And my my overall take on this, which we'll sort of we'll dive into, is that the premium features that you get with Google Health Premium actually make this product worse. Worse is an interesting take. That's my take. Definitely an argument to be made that it is not necessarily for most not necessary for most people, but make it worse is a I want to hear your take on it. I think it's worse. Okay. I saw other reviewers maybe not say exactly like that but basically hint at like what dc rainmaker used his info and his wife and his wife used the free he used the premium and he kept pulling them up next to each other and basically kept saying like he likes the feed of his wife better because it doesn't have so much talkie talkie. Yeah. I think a big part of this, and this is what I talked about in my review, is uh the target demographic. What it comes down to is who this is for. And I think this specific Fitbit, the Fitbit Air, is targeted at Whoop users or a lot of people who use other screenless fitness trackers, right? And it's supposed to be the one that's cheaper, and it's the one that's from Google, and it's Fitbit, so you know you can, you know, you you know what you get from Google. Uh, but it's specifically the cheaper version of what's already out there with the screenless fitness trackers. And I think a lot of those are probably overkill for most people, as far as all the data and all the tracking and the extremely expensive subscription. So this being cheaper and offering like 90% of that is slightly, slightly less advanced, but for almost the same person. Right. You're wearing an Apple Watch right now, so am I. Yeah. This I would argue is even more beginner focused. Like you just kind of count steps, calories, and fill your rings, and that's it. It's not personalized. Your heart rate zones are the same for everyone, no matter your age. Like there's not a lot of uh calibration to who you are as an athlete. It's just kind of like, yeah, get up every hour. Like stand up. Yeah. Yeah. Get some exercise minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who these products are for. Yeah. And this kind of I think it fits in somewhere in the middle. Well there's a strange reason for that, because I feel like the Apple Watch, especially the Ultra, pulls more information than like the Fitbit Air pulls, but the actual information that it shows you on a day-to-day basis and tries to get you to interact with is much less. Because Apple has Apple started with the Apple Watch being a gadget and it slowly became a fitness device. Exactly. They didn't like anticipate that to happen, but over time they were like, oh the Apple Watch is actually just like a fitness tracker , but it is also a watch. So the thing about the the Fitbit Air that's interesting is like you said, it's people who aspire to be whoop people because Whoop people sort of indicates that you are like a hardcore fitness person. But those people, it might be inaccessible for those people because the minimum subscription of a whoop is two hundred dollars a year in and then it becomes a brick if you don't pay for it, which is actually insane. It's the worst part. So think about the Fitbit Air. If you use the base Google Health app, which is what they call it now, they transitioned uh Fitbit to Google Health. A lot of people are very angry about that because it was a buggy transition for a lot of people. I saw all these tweets this morning of people who lost all of their data, all of their Fitbit data, like didn't make the transition. Or like runs just showing up as workouts and not runs. Yeah. There's a bunch of random bugs. The data just got really messed up. So in the base Google Health app, it just shows you all of your metrics, right? It collects things like your steps, your cardio load, your sleep, like all of that information. And then the base Google Health app, it just shows all that data front and center. If you have the premium version of the app, what the premium version does is honestly, I feel like Google should pay you to use the premium version because they just stick Gemini in as many places as possible and not only do they stick it there to it as an option to use, they just generate summaries of every single thing that you do. So on the front page, like the main tab, there's always a giant block of text. Yeah. This reminds me of the new like Nest AI update where I wanted the AI update because it would in individual events make it easier to search for things. But every time I go to my cameras, there's like four paragraphs that I have to scroll past. Like, I don't want that. I don't need to read about this every time. Maybe let me pick to read it. But this looks terrible with like nice clean UI on top with a couple buttons and then just text. That was gonna be my take too, is that I don't not like the AI coach. Like it's cool, it's fun to play with, it's like relatively useful, maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but like just for me messing around, whatever. I'm sure it's I wish it was a separate tab. Like why is it front and center? Or if it was truncated. Yeah. If I opened up my app, I just want to see all of my like data. If you pay the hundred bucks though, you want to see what you paid a hundred bucks for front like front and center, right? No, I want to know it's there. I don't want to necessarily see it all the time. If it's the free version and you don't have it, sure, you're not gonna notice that you don't have it. But if you pay the hundred bucks a year, I wanna see that like pretty early. I think it's safe to say that like you though could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions and then help that in some senses like create a workout blah blah blah but don't always want it in your like quick the like this feels like it should be a the homepage should be like a quick glance at things. So like under this is workouts, right? You're stealing the words right out of my mouth. Goodness. That first is glanceable. It should be glanceable. This is not a glanceable text. So I feel like You can customize this by the way. You can make this six things. This this is this but like underneath it usually then tracks shows your individual workouts that you can click into, right? The top forty percent is glanceable. The bottom forty percent is like all the coach information that it's like I think that could be a or at least an option to be a separate tab. Like I would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them, but I could see some benefit of still contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log. I use it all the time. Basically I like it. I just write in the main page. Yeah. The main page feed of it yapping all the time. One of the biggest problems I have with the Gemini integration as the coach though is that it feels like the coach, like the Gemini coach doesn't it has access to the data that it collects, but it doesn't always look at it. So for example, uh at like five PM it was like, are you still gonna hit your 10 a.m. workout of which I had already done, you know, it didn't have that information. Uh it asked me if I was gonna go on a long walk when I'd already gone on a long walk. It like randomly set a random number of calories that I'd eaten that was not the amount of calories that I'd eaten ingested into the app. Yeah. And there are all these metrics that you can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there, but Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the time. It does it like randomly and sometimes, but it doesn't do it like correctly every time. And then sometimes it just hallucinates information. Does Fit had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was and then twenty minutes after his bedtime was sending him uh tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery. It's like, I'm asleep already. This is past the bedtime that's listed inside of the app that you're pulling from. Yeah, and then I don't know. It just so multiple times throughout the day, the Gemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done. Notify notifies you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it is so it happens so much. Like I went on a 19-minute walk to the coffee shop, and it was like that 19 minute walk was so great, David. I didn't set a walk or anything, it just automatically created a summary. And it was like, you slowed down around minute 10. Did you hit a red light? And I'm like, I went, I walked to the cafe. I do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain myself. You know, it's just it's very strange. I I think there's a middle ground, like all these features with the with the coach are very like beginner focused, I think. Yeah. Where a lot of people see all this data but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the the Apple Health app, which is full of data, tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple Watch. Yeah. And then don't really know what to do with that information or or how to contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down and what should I do with this. So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you some actionable something based on the information that it's collecting. It's not very good yet. A I still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better. But that's the idea behind it. And I I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us. If we if we're we've used Garmin's, we've used Apple Watches, we know what we're doing with a lot of the stuff but for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know, I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per day? Should I be drinking more water? That is ideally what this is for. I think a good middle ground to that though, that would help my just glanceable aspect of this is you know, if that front page shows the metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts, if then it just had a button that's just like that would trigger what you want from the coach. So, like, maybe at the top it says, like, how's my day going so far? Or like, what should I prioritize tonight? How was my last workout? That would cause it's just taking up so much room to assume that every time you look at it, or three or four times a day, it's gonna give you another wall of text. Yeah. That's I think my issue is like I just don't need to see that text all the time. Give me a little button to press and like that's when pop up AI coach. To Google's credit, when I was talking to them on the phone, they were I I told them like why do I need, you know, a a summary when I went on a nineteen minute walk and they said they don't want to tell people what exercise is, you know, 'cause to some people personalized. To some people a two hour walk is nothing. To some people a twenty minute walk is something. So they don't want to necessarily be like you didn't do exercise versus you did do exercise. And that's fair. And honestly, I think that Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards like beginners who like want to get into fitness. Um but it's funny because like I feel like this is targeted towards the whoop the people who want whoops but don't want to pay the money for a whoop. So I feel like it should be more more a little geared. When I was first writing my review, I was like, this is this is like for people who are thinking about getting a whoop or who do have a whoop, but they really don't need one. Yeah. And this is this is way better for them and way less expensive for all the seventy five percent of the things that they were using their whoop for. Now they're using a hundred percent of the Fitbit and it's still fine. Yeah. I agree with I think there are a lot of Whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all you're gonna get the same stats pretty much, but now you can pay once and not do it. The whoop subreddit is a lot of people looking at the Fitbit right. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Some other crazy bugs that I had um when this is still occurring on my app, so waiting to be fixed. By the way, Google put out a roadmap of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch. That's a lot of bugs. They probably should have fixed them before the launch or like d you know, made the app work before they announced a launch date. Probably but there's a lot of bugs. There's a lot of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what my workout They still look like this. For for audio listeners, it's like what workout is that? Literally just starting a strength workout. Strength workout. Any sort of workout that I do. It gets worse as I look at it and there's only four elements on the So there's a gray rectangle in the center that only has three data points. One is cardioload, and it's giant . The other one is heart rate and energy burned, and they are not aligned at all. And then there's giant black boxes around it, and then the pause button is also sort of just randomly off to the bottom To me., this is a did you even test this? Mine looks fine when I started strength out. But for some reason, heart rate does not have a unit and energy burn does have a unit. Well, 'cause you don't have the ems. No, it never does have a unit when I even when you really? It never shows BPM. Mine mine does sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information. But it continuously has this problem, which is pretty insane. Yours says energy burned and the unit is like cut off by the UI of the pause button, which should be at the bottom. Wait, you don't have a timer on that at all. Marquez has had a display. Your timer is being covered up. For some reason the bottom of your app is just totally messed up. I don't know why. When I s well when I talked to them, they said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode. Well, there's the did you even test it? Which is the really when they told me that I was like, wow. Okay. Yeah. That's crazy. That screen needs a heart rate zone. I'm confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that because this has basically been out since like what October or November in the Fibonacci public beta. Like I've had this UI for months. So how does it still not I do not know. I don't know. It is strange. It is strange. Um see this uh this is my I'll take a screenshot for the pod listeners. The the calories burned says calories and it's slightly higher than the heart rate, which should say . Yours is offset too. So it's just a little bit offset. But I do have the time down there because the pause button's supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the clock, which is weird. Yeah. Well, and it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a gray and a black black, um, which is super mess up. This I don't mind this screen in general if dark mode worked. That obviously needs to be aligned properly. Yeah, I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph on y.es I feel like so many people appreciate that in terms of uh live certain types of workouts. Yeah. There's not as much customization. Like I I think a lot of these should have more customized layouts for while you're working. This feels like a layout that is meant for customization. Like this is just giving you so many options because of how blank and simple it is. Other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data that you're collecting. On the first day that I used this, uh, I woke up and it sort of prompts you when you wake up. It tells you how you slept, and then it says, Are you planning anything for today? And I said, I'm gonna go on a pretty long walk this morning. It said, That's cool. Let me know how long the walk is when you get back. Which first of all, shouldn't it just be tracking that? Um kind of strange. So I was like, okay, I will. And I got back from my walk and I said, that was 127 minutes. And it immediately is like, hmm, interesting. I see a 127 minute walk that I've already logged. Do you want me to delete it? I was like, but it did that for me too. So it it it feels like Gemini the the LLM is like not really talking correctly to the data sets. That is interesting. Yeah, a lot of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's based on the conversations that I've had with it. So at setup, I was like, here's my seven-day week schedule. I have like games on weekends, practice on Wednesdays. And it looks at the weather. It's like, hey, it's going to be hot today. You have practice later, hydrate, like that stuff makes sense. But it's not you're right. Like a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've already done. The actual data that it collects on you. I feel like another example of it focusing way more on the AI part and not on the data set. Um, if you watch DC Rainmaker's review, at one point he like does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of like chips and queso and a glass of wine and says, like, is this a good recovery? Like testing he's like, is this a good recovery meal? And it was like, no, no . And then like after every single workout, it's like, oh, you'll do a great job for getting those calories back with the queso and roses tonight. And just ke eps mentioning it over and over. It like never forgets the things. I want to coin this like AI fixation or something because Gemini does this for me all the time anyway. And yesterday I ate a I ate a chicken burrito for lunch and I wanted to test the like food logging feature that it has because another one of the features with the premium subscription is that you can log food by taking pictures of it. It knows what it is. Famously never has worked ever with any product. It works okay with macro factor, which is what I use for calorie tracking. I'm impressed because I've never gotten it to work on that. I'll never believe that any of those work on any I cut it open. There's no shit. And it could tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken is in. It's probably not accurate. It's not it is not accurate. One thing though that I think it would work with, and I want to test it out because I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. I saw that people have been able to like write down like their exercises, their weights, their reps in like a on a piece of paper. Yeah. And take a picture of that and it can transfer. That does work. That makes sense. Yeah. I don't know why you would do that when there's like a thousand apps that do it. But I I was I guess some people do. Some people do. I just never do it. That's fair. There are a lot of people who have like workout notebooks and then just being able to log it with a picture actually sounds like a but great to the to the point about my chicken burrito like I I logged the chicken burrito with like the the logging thing and then for the next like two days it was just like that chicken burrito is really fueling your recovery And then yesterday it ran at the end of the day, it was like, You did a great job. You had 117 grams of protein, and I had 1 57 logged. So I don't it is just like there's random information that just in the app said 157, but in the Gemini thing said one seventy. No, and in uh in the app it said 157 and then the Gemini prompt, yeah, told me one seventeen. I will give it give it to to Fitbit. They they do a really good job of ingesting information from other apps. So Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingests information from MacroFactor, which is my like calorie tracking app, from uh Fitbod, which is my like workout app. And then the Google Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that stuff. And that's really nice. Because everything is just built in there. But then it will just randomly hallucinate information too. So yeah, I don't know. I think the main problem I see with this is that it just feels like Gemini and the data set are not a cohesive, like integrated thing. They seem like they're separate things and it messes up a lot. Yeah. All of that being said, I still really like this product. Yeah. It has really amazing battery life. Like I they say it's seven days, and I started using this eight days ago, and it's still alive at 19%. Yeah, I feel like I got the worst battery life of everybody I watched their reviews Six hour workouts a day probably are. Well I do like maybe I've been doing a lot of workouts too. I got mine at roughly five PM five yeah, like five PM yesterday, and it is now at 70%. Whoa. So it's Did you charge it to full? No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%. Oh , yeah. That's important. That's very important. All right, Gemini. Um also when you start a workout , there's just like a list and it's just kind of it's not that bad. Are there no favorites? They should learn from whoop here. You should be as soon as you start doing workouts, it should put those favorites at the top. Yes. You start a workout and you're like, which type of workout is it? Well, it should have a small list of the most recent or most common workouts. The Apple Watch does that too. As soon as I go to make a workout, it's like, oh, here's the most recent ones you've done. Yeah. That's like an easy one. Or like just being able to customize it at least in the case. Yeah. Yeah. Couple favorites in there. Yeah. Uh that should be easy. One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that when I went to the friends and family section where you can like make friends and have leaderboards and stuff, it would just have a spinning dial and then it would go away and the whole screen would just turn black A lot. It seems like there are quite a few of those where like uh heart rate variability or something would like have the graph but not the number and you'd have to log out and log back in. It just seems like a lot of data points go missing in the middle of the app. Side note, I completely forgot that was a thing. I am challenging you. Oh, challenge me, yeah. On the Fitbit? Yeah, well, I'm crushing David Cogan and Cheryl Lynn right now. I 50,000 steps a week. Cogan has a whole coffee shop to run. That's cheating. That's a lot of steps. I know. Pretty good. I have another bug that is probably more of a flex than a bug. But you you get low heart rate notifications for anything under fifty. So I just get them all day. He's like, you're so relaxed. Like low heart rate. Low heart rate. Hey, if you're if you're dizzier later, it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not, it's fine. This is how we find out Marcus is actually always just napping in front of his computer and none of us can tell. I didn't it doesn't let me change what the low heart rate notification threshold is. Oh it doesn't let you go Oh it's f you can change it to forty. So it should show that in the notification. Oh the default is fifty 's fifty and then it says, would you like to dismiss? And I'm like, yes. And then it just tells me again. Okay, so 40 is the lowest you get notifications. Okay. Found a new bug. I can't add you guys. Wait, it says, does your spin to does it have a black screen? It just won't open up show phone contacts. Yeah, these are on my low heart rate notifications. Oh, there's a phone contact? Oh. Yeah, there's there's a lot of bugs. This is a such a weird product because despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value. I it's so weird. It is a great value. Yeah, this is the weirdest value. I think this is proof that if you make a really good product and hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them, is like I still think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows whoop out of the water. Obviously, I'm a certified whoop hater, but my my like take on this is if you want a screenless wearable, this is it for 99% of the people, and the one percent of people who who want toop, ninety nine percent of that one percent, you don't need the whoop, you're just telling yourself you need the whoop. The Fitbit is totally fine and it's a hundred dollars for the rest of your life. And you don't I don't see any reason. You don't really need the AI . I don't eherit. And Google is like so now Google has a thing where if you have AI Pro or AI Premium, it also comes with YouTube Premium Lite for free. And it comes with Google Health for free. Premium light yeah it's newer it's newer thing. Okay. Less S. I um less S. And I think we need to give Google cred it that they made a product that is really, really good without the subscription and the subscription maybe gives you some super niche things, but like usually they're like, here's all the niche things and we're gonna throw one or two super critical things in there that you're actually paying a ton of money for and we can make it super expensive because AI, but like here's like ninety-nine percent of the thing I think most people should have without the subscription. That is what I think Whoop should do moving forward. Yeah, I think they should offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free. And then if you really want their hardcore tracking, which a lot of people do if you're getting a Whoop, then that's what you pay for. Yeah, well Whoop's too busy trying to give out a bunch of free memberships to annex cards or whatever and I KO but like another big reason why I think the Fitbit is such a good deal is because it justes expos how bad of a deal the whoop is right now. Yes, it also yeah it's half the thickness. Yeah, it's also smaller in thinner. Now just the the comparisons on wrists is like why would you ever wear the who I'm not sure I haven't got it. I'm really excited for the third party ecosystem that makes like bicep straps and like chest straps. Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned And the whoop especially, but there's just the wristbands for this right now. Yeah. But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are gonna wanna put this on the bicep or whatever, the chest strap, all the other accessories will be. 'Cause the actual puck on this is very, very tiny. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing I've been thinking about is this isn't really a new product. Nope. No. This is just a Fitbit. Yeah. I had this 10 years ago. Yeah. They just released a new band and everyone's losing their mind. No screen, no time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what happens when you're comp etitor is scamming people essentially. Well it's also funny that the original Fitbits didn't have screens and then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular because then I was like, cool smartwatches, smartwatches, and now everyone's like ah notifications notifications I don't know the new concept of a screenless wearable yeah everything is a flat circle so can I give my couple wishes for two point oh sure because I think I am gonna get one of these but this is what I want Air 2.0 or Google Health app two point oh uh Fitbit Air two point oh because some of these are hardware things. Uh no maybe they could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think it's it has the vibration motor already. I think for the air? You want notifications? Notifications for screenless I just want to ha - Okay, all of you guys need to just let me say this. Wait, okay sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So it should just if it buzzes on my wrist, I have a phone call. That's so simple and so easy and it can do it. I guess that's okay. Yeah it can easily do. Or the little notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every once in a while I'm like, oh that's blinking on it has an LED light that can blink that only blinks for pairing, right? And battery and battery, but like that should be able to blink and just see like cool. I have some text messages. I can look at my phone later. Okay. Seems super simple. Um the the app uh live metric screen needs heart rate zones. Yeah, it would be really sick if in uh in the future it had like a couple LEDs on the side that were different colors and could just show live upright heart rate zones on the the side of the watch. Actually close to a deal breaker for me that the live hit workout does not show you what heart rate zone you can do. Yes. I think so many people, especially now target heart rate zones during workouts. Especially cardio workouts. Yeah. Wait, even on the phone? The phone doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but it doesn't show zones and like I don't know for anything. Okay. Um, and then this is so niche, but I use my watch so often to find my phone when I misplace it. So if there's some sort of a gesture that could make my phone ring, oh yeah, that would be awesome. That didn't go off by accident all the time. That would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen. Yeah. But I'm a yeah. Yeah. While we're wishing, give me give me Google Pay. Google Pay and F the little N F C thing. No screen. While we're adding things, how about a screen? I just want to know the time. I just want to look and see the time. Yeah. I've I've gone past the I'm fine with it not having time. Okay. Cool. No time. Random one last question. Do you think Apple should make a screenless fitness tracker? Yes. Alongside the Apple Watch. Dude, if they made like a thin one, because Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of like stylish Initially this is why I've been going so hard down this road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health and everything, but I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch. Yeah. So I wanted just another little band, like the Nike Fuel Band from back in a day. I think if you really want to cook whoop, like they have all the bones to make the ideal, like privacy focused, your data never leaves the device. You don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone, obviously, because it's an Apple fitness tracker. So probably will tell you when you have notifications. But it'll also be the sleek one, the cool one, it'll be lightweight, it'll have a ton of accessories because it's Apple and everyone makes a bunch of accessories. They have the ability . Yeah. And potentially revamping the Google Health app with this new Apple intelligence, obviously powered by Gemini, but potentially giving you some tips and, you know, stand hours, closing your rings, but maybe a little more personalization. They can do something like that.. Yeah But Apple Watch is Apple Watch. Apple's always been big about the glanceable style too. So if you can just like see that someone's wearing a little fitness little white knit band on everybody's wrist, yeah. It's like yeah. I think this Fitbit Air, one of the biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out with like I think this is starting though like guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just make them it's like with less money like they're all realizing like we can make a ton of money off of this and whoop is probably not just scared of Fitbit but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they can make these there is still an opportunity a, market opportunity and, I've thought about making this of someone making a watch band for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on the bottom of the watch band people have been at least on my feed trying to do this already. They've been slapping that on Windows. I've been tagged like five times with pictures like that already. But they look kinda bad and they and also the sensors on the bottom when it's supposed to be on the top of your wrist. But if someone built it around the bottom of your wrist, you know. I'm just not gonna do a strength workout with a Omega speed master. No, I know I know but like for the everyday tracking of like you know that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff. Uh one last thing. I have talked to a lot of uh regular non-techie people about this. The number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm. Yes, I do really I alarm's nice. Because if you like wrist alarm if you like sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them up with your alarm, just having that go off is like really nice. Also, it has a feature where because it's tracking your sleep, it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle. Yeah. And within a 30 minute area of variability, it will wake you up when it's an optimal time. That's pretty much alarms with trackers. Yeah. Which um I think the A sleep does too. And I when it wakes when it wakes me up right as I'm coming out of sle ep cycle, I'm like Yeah, but I start levitating. I immediately rolled over and went back to sleep. I was like, absolutely. You look at the time you're like 20 minutes. 20 minutes early, bro. What? I feel yeah, wrist alarms are awesome, except for you can be ten percent awake and turn it off real quick. That was my problem. It's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it. And that's not snooze, that's dismiss. So it's gone. Yeah. So you gotta be careful with that. Well, a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature. So anyway, um yeah. I really, really can't wait until they make new bands for this and I can, you know, hide it and wear a normal watch. It'd be great. For those of you who are wondering after my review if I've continued using the Fitbit, you've might have noticed that I am holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I am so torn about what I want to do about this, I don't know what I want to finish off like my fitness journey with Whoop underwear. you make that. I'm like deep into the like calibration stuff with the whoop. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What? They make whoop underwear. They're like fitness tracking undies. It's underwear that has a little it has a little special pocket to put the Whoops in the hardware. Yeah. Yeah, it's messed up. I was gonna say I think you should at least let Whoops configuration figure . I'm gonna let yeah, I'll finish the rest of the you know, full calibration or whatever. But I'm like, do I want to get rid of my Apple Watch, I really like being able to check the time on my wrist. Super simple. And I really like getting notifications on my wrist. And I don't know if I can get rid of those two things. But I also don't think I want to wear both of these. So that's hard. I think you're gonna stick with the Apple Watch. I think that's most likely. I think honestly what's probably gonna happen is I'll get to the end of the Whoop uh calibration and then I'll look at the subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing that like Whoop is suing. So I know they're pretty close. People have been talking about that. They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by Whoop for having like similar m like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple Watch like basically a whoop. Yeah, they're pretty expensivese they've apparently the price has gone up. It's a hundred dollars a year for Bevel. Athletic is like thirty bucks a year. That that is such a primo s like uh price for an app. It's like two or three dollars a month. Whoop has started to attempt to make their their pricing better value. Like they added basically a Fitbod type like workout tracker inside of the Whoop thing now so we'll tell you what exercises to do in real time. Because I I pay I think it's like $80 a year for Fitbuds. So they need to add value. Because if they don't keep adding value like that, then it's a horrible deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing I hope most comes from all this is whoop fixing adjusting their hardware so that it's less of a thick band and adjusting their subscription pricing. And maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe. That's the number one. That would be nice. Forget the IPO. Just work on that. IPO is crazy. Cool. All Al rightrig.ht well, we have a lot more to talk about with the I think we should do the luce after the break because there's plenty to talk about with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, we should do some trivia . Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I just kept like you know when you just calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head. I heard that it gets stuck there. Uh later in the show we're gonna talk about some Motorola news. They're back in it. Um so I wanted this first question to be about They never left. They never I don't think the story is not their back. No, yeah, yeah. The story is this well you know Okay, sorry. No spoilers. However, first trivia question about Motorola . Because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think of the late aughts, the early twenty tens. We think of phones like the Motorola Droid and Droid Two and eventually Droid Three. Yeah, Razor. And the Razor. Wow, I can't believe I left that out. However three. Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy Motorola phone from that era that does not get broadened up enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find that had both a multi touch touchscreen and an IP sixty seven rating. This phone was from 2010, I want to say. What phone was it? Oh . The first Motorola phone with a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP 67 rating. It's I believe it's the first phone I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen and uh let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen and an IP six seven rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like construction workers Palm Pilot special edition. It's not the droid, is what you're saying. It's not the droid. It is not the droid. Okay, I have an idea. 2010 is a hint. Yeah. So we'll think about that. We'll find out the answer at the end, like usual, and we'll be right back. Support for this show comes from Shopify. Whenever you're stepping into something big, it's natural to ask, what if this just doesn't work out? Especially when it's as unpredictable as starting a business. But maybe the better question is, what if I absolutely crush this? Shopify can help you get on that wavelength. They're the commerce platform behind millions of businesses worldwide and nearly 10% of all e-commerce in the United States, from established brands like Gymshark and Magic Spoon to companies just getting started. 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Each episode I sit down with high-achieving women to discuss the pursuit of excellence without apology. This week on the show, clinical psychologist and founder Dr,. Becky Kennedy, and I unpack what it really means to raise kids today. I think parenting is the most important job in the world and the one that has the most impact on your world and the world. It is non-stop ! Check out Pretty Tough new episodes on Wednesdays. You can watch it on YouTube or listen in your favorite podcast app . Alright, welcome back. So unless you've been living under a rock for the past thirty six hours, or I guess by the time this comes out four days, uh you have at some point opened your phone, logged onto some social media, and seen a picture of a new electric Ferrari. It's called the Luce . And uh boy oh boy, has everyone been talking about this new car? It was unveiled. Uh we get this like official design unveiling video from Ferrari. This is the international trip that I couldn't tell you guys about that I'm now finally able to disclose. That I also went to Italy, drove this car before it was unveiled. It was actually a pro a finished prototype that I got to drive which had a lot of uh what's it called? Wrapping camouflage all over it. That explains why you disappeared for a few days. We were like, where the hell is Marquez? I was uh overseas. And then I got to see the final design and walk through that with the designers. Johnny Ive and Mark Newsom literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and explained everything. And then they handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like, go ahead. That's my favorite part of the whole what? So that's something not a lot of people have talked about. Uh but the event behind this was I mean super, super, super weird and secretive. This is like the apple of car companies, I guess, in that we had to sign an NDA, obviously. Part of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak, you owe like hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. Oh my gosh. That's so much more intense than they walk you in when you get to this uh this super distant track, like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some far some fields, like total middle of nowhere feeling. And as soon as you get there, they like take your phone out of your pocket and they just start taping up over all of the cameras on your phone. Kind of like what Samsung used to do. They would tape all of I came in there with five phones expecting to shoot an autofocus video and they're like, tape, tape, tape, tape. No shooting on your phones. They're like, We have a camera crew, we have cameras, you use our cameras, and then we'll send you the footage when we're ready. That's crazy. So all of this to me speaks it's like yellow flag territory. It's a little bit insecure, but it's also like they clearly don't want anything to leak because they need to control the narrative around this design because it is very different for them. Yeah. Uh so extremely secretive. I feel like it feels more red flag because we've seen it, but I'm fine with a company taking some serious precautions into not leaking because on everything just gets spoiled. This was like an actual reveal. It was. It was was it really like a true surprise. And boy was it a surprise. So the car comes out. Uh I dropped the autofocus video, which I have all this information about the rest of the car, which almost doesn't matter because all anyone is talking about is the design, the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car designer. It's designed by Lovefrom, which, as I mentioned, Johnny Ive, Mark Newson, and a bunch of people that were brought from the original like Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone and the original like Apple product that you guys are familiar with today. And so there's a lot of very never-before-seen features in the car, never-before-seen design elements of the car. Uh, and the internet has been talking non-stop about how ugly they think it is. Now, I I can give you guys my take on the design uh but i also have a take design for some people who might not have seen it first okay yes i can describe the design so it is a five seater uh like mid-size crossover sized EV . And it is the sh size of like a Mazda MX5 or like a Polestar 3. You've probably you know a BYD, like there's a bunch of crossovers the same size. Crossover for R but But there is uh the front of it has this really big front spoiler and this really uh smooth glass that sort of cuts under the front spoiler and then this like shark gills type of look in the front. Yeah. The headlights are under the hood. It's kind of it's a unique front. The back has these uh these big circular tail lights, which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA, but then also looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger like rest of the car. Yeah. Uh big glass canopy. You've seen the the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's a is a very like blob EV design that we've seen many times, and we'll get into my take on the design before, but it is not like a particularly exotic or pretty looking car. Yeah . So the internet sees that. They see the six hundred forty thousand dollar starting price tag and proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next four days on the internet. Uh what do you guys think? What do you think of the Ferrari Luce? I think the blue makes me want to jump off a building. The blue? The the red is by far the best color. You're looking, hold on. You just did what I did where I was like, wait, this angle looks pretty good, and then you click in and it says this render just shows how easy it could have been to make this look good and it's not the real never mind, it all looks bad. Yeah. It um I like I mean I can jump kind of into my final thought because this car made by a cheaper company at sixty thousand dollars, I think would look great. But like this car with the Ferrari DNA and the super secretive launch and like the teasers of like LeClaire and Hamilton look ing at it and going like, ooh ah, and making it seem like it's gonna be this incredible Ferrari is rough. My other take is Johnny I've just made a bunch of interior things because that's what he's good at, and then just said chat GPT grab the exterior for me. I think that I think people were having chat GPT make the exterior and it looked better than this. Yeah, it um yeah this is what happens when you like have a a phone design that some designer wor ked for like five years on, and it's beautiful and it's like curved and perfect, and then you put an auto box case on it. That's what it looks like. Someone put an Otter box case on a Ferrari. I've been comparing it to like the Machy, whereas Machi. I think the Mach E is a good car. Yeah. And I don't dislike the design. But I think when you call it the Mustang for whatever reason they decide to, everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang. So this is that times 10. When the Ferrari people are spending seven times more than a Mustang, like this is just that exemplified, and that's why it's so much louder that everyone hates this. I think like if this was an eighty thousand a sixty to eighty thousand dollar car with like decent range and everything, people would be like, this is kind of unique and cool and fun. Unbelievably do you do you think that it's ugly on purpose because then when rich people have it. Because that that that's's the way fashion is sometimes. Yeah. I think. You think there's anything to that? Alright, here's how here's what I really think, right? electric cars. Like sports cars. Like as a sports car, there's a lot of sports cars out there. The whole idea of a sports car is to be engaged with it, obviously being lightweight and feeling like you're in control of the thing the whole time. Then you try to make an electric one and your first task is to put the battery somewhere. And in a tiny, a tiny two-door car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough size battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if you did, they always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy. And that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up, everything moves up, it just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good battery with today's tech in a tiny two door car. So they have to go bigger. Okay. So what you know, Porsche Tican's four doors. Every electric sports car you're thinking of is four doors. It's a bigger car. The Tycan, the Vic Pack literally has no back seats. It's a four-door car. You open the back doors, there's no seats. Okay, they just needed room to put all of that stuff. They should have done that for this though. So they have to go bigger. So what do they do? They decide: all right, Ferrari, we already make a perosangway, we're gonna make something the same size rough,ly this mid-size crossover thing. And we're gonna put the battery in the bottom and design around that. Your choice is now do you want to make this an aggressive, like exotic looking car the way other Ferrari's have been. Yes. But not quite as much. Correct. Or do you want to fully do you want to fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari? It's electric, it's silent, it is something super, super new. Do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the design? No. And that was the choice that they made. Correct. Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari had made this look like every other older Ferrari , it would have gone way better than this. We all know that those cars that yes. We all know that that and I and everyone at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at Ferrari knows that everyone loves those older designs. It would have been much lower risk to do one of those older designs. Even the Pro Sangway, you know, not everybody not everybody from Ferrari loves that, but it's, you know, it's at least kind of still sort of a Ferrari looking car. Yeah. What they end up doing instead is they work with Love From and Johnny Ives team, who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products there. And we've ended up with this sort of more arrow-focused thing, which has almost no reference to any other older Ferrari, which I think is intentional. I think they're going, this is new, make it look like an exotic electric car, not an exotic gas car . And I, you know, the more I look at this car, I'm not gonna say it looks good. It looks really different. Yeah. And a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look it's not the worst looking car I've ever seen. I don't hate it. It's not a terrible looking car. I hate it. And so what I keep coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari and two, it is six hundred thousand dollars. Yes. Exactly. If this was, hear me out, a hundred eighty thousand dollar lucid, we would all be totally fine with it. I don't know. Because lucids are not pretty. Like a lot of these other EVs. All right, Polestar. All right, a BYD. Like think of any random other blob, the Mercedes EQS. There are some ugly whale looking EVs out there. And nobody says anything about those. And so if this is one of those, it's fine. I think the Mach E is a fair comparison to this, right? I think that's interesting to simplified Machi. Exactly the Ferrari part is what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like when you have a Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a Ferrari and it's stronger than ever with that brand because there's a long history of all the racing and the motorsport and all of the Ferrari designs that people love, the posters on the wall from the nineties to two thousands. And so everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari. They're gonna do something really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this blob and we're like, oh, that's not what I thought. Yeah. And then the $600,000 is the same thing. Oh, it's it's going to be a half a million dollar car. Oh, therefore it must be at like some highest level amazing best possible design. So when this doesn't meet that, it falls way, way, way, way, way short. Like I said, if this was a hundred fifty thousand dollar not Ferrari, this doesn't fall nearly as short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking about is how oh there's another kind of a blob looking EV out there. Looks like a shark. Yeah looks like a fish. Can I argue back on your if it needs a battery it has to be arrow it has to look like this blah blah blah. Oh yes. I just don't think it does. I just don't think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine if this was like a sick Ferrari with a hundred that had a hundred miles of range that could get you from your house to the restaurant and you want to see everyone you want everyone to see you show up at or like two with a couple track So I actually agree. And I think I think Ferrari probably also went down this route too, where they're like, what if we don't go fully, fully, fully different? What if we go halfway there ? It's already electric. That's crazy enough. Let's play it safe with everything else. Okay, it's really aggressive and arrow, and so the range is going to be garbage, but like who cares? It's a Ferrari. Like you're not driving this every day. Why wouldn't since when did anyone care about the efficiency of a sports car? Like that's totally a reasonable way to think about this. And I think they ended up going away from that probably because they just chose they were like trying to pick one of their battles. They're like, do we do we make this car that every Ferrari person is going to hate because it's an electric version that sort of bastardizes the Ferrari design? Or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in with this new design and it's just so different . It it doesn't even resemble a Ferrari in the slightest. It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking about buyers and Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and those other powertrains are for the first time completely not in the target demographic of a new Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new, potentially younger, potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to buy any of those other Ferraris. Who buys ugly stuff because that's the point. Who buys who buys maybe more electric, is more interested in technology, and maybe sees Johnny Ive des'ign ed it and goes, oh yeah, this is this speaks to me more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before. That is the slightly newer buyer. So I think Ferrari's thinking about all of this new new new and is just leaning fully on new new new different, nothing old at all. That's that's how he ended up here. Marcus, I have a idea seed to plant in your brain. Please I and me saying this out loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest of the day. I think I'm already banned too. I don't think this is entirely new. Because when I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late 60s and entire all through the seventies Lambos. Like if you're familiar with like the Lambo Mura and Lambo those are so angular though. No no look up the the the Lamborghini Harama is what it's called the J. Harambe? Yeah. Or like the the Lamborghini Uraco or like the the 70s really smooth ones before you get to the angular kun tosh. To me, if you combine like the Mura, the Harama , and the Rocco, and then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there. It like becomes pretty though, I would say. I see what you're saying. I just I this is so much more of like I described it in my short as like if a BYD ate a Ferrari. And and at first you laugh because like, why would anyone spend six hundred thousand dollars on a BYD? But they make the best electric cars in the world right now. They sell a lot of cars. And if you're gonna you're gonna compete in like who's gonna make the best electric car . Okay, this is I I drove it. I can't talk about me driving it yet, but I I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one of the best driving electric cars. It's not the best straight line speed, because it's not the lightest. You have plaid, you have Lucid Air Sapphire. But I mean, they took me to a track to drive it. So that should say something about how they aim for you know, positioning of this this car. It's still a driving experience. It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is like the sportiest, most luxurious version of the BYD. Can I you might not know the answer to this question and I might be kind of wrong, but in general to buy a Ferrari you have to have owned Ferraris already, right? No. So that's that is definitely a common thing that people talk about online. It's to buy certain more premium Ferraris. Yes. Because I when the whole argument is like no one who owns Ferraris is gonna want this, if they're the only ones who can buy it, it feels like a it feels like to me though, as someone who's like if you like all the things that Fer rari makes right now, you probably don't like this. Yep. But also like if you're the kind of person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because you want to have like the Ferrari clout that's involved with it, it' alsos is not that. So I'm very confused that who is the person that's buying this. It's not cheap. It's not cheap. I think a hundred thousand dollars. It makes so much more sense to just buy a really sick nice sports car like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and then also buy like a a lucid. Yeah. If you want any of these. I do think they somewhere along the line ended up at this being the most daily , most practical, most comfortable Ferrari. And no one was asking for that. But that is technically what this is. And so there it is. I wish I had a jet ski that could fit six people at Yeah, that's like that's how it feels. It's a little crazy. But you know what's funny? I talked about this again in the short . Let's say this happens with Porsche, right? Everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsche's loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 911s, right? We all care about the sports cars. But as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, Well, we gotta try the other thing. And now there's the Makan and the Cayenne and these like crossovers that do way more volume in the sports cars. And that for a long time has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars too. And Porsche people kind of just went, uh, I guess that's necessary. I'm not gonna buy one. But I get why people do buy that. The soccer mom, the you know, suburban housewife like has to get one of these. All right, great. That makes us more money. Now we can keep doing the sports car th Same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm saying the the form factor. I do I do think the price kind of fails this uh analogy. But the the Lamborghini is the same thing. Like the Urus came out and it is $250,000 , but it is the one with four or five seats or whatever. And you could sell that and still develop the more uh hardcore or less practical Lamborghinis . This could fit that analogy if it was also cheaper. Yeah. And was more attainable. I I kind of wonder like how many do they expect to actually sell? The purosangway doesn't sell that well. This is more expensive than that. Yeah. So if if this was cheaper, I could see it fitting into that analogy of like, hey, it's a practical one, like you might see this in your neighborhood. Is there anything crazy about the technology? A lot of the the Ferrari engineering is in the under-the-hood design . Every single wheel has independent steering, independent suspension adjustment, and independent torque vectoring and power. So there's three motors per wheel, which is crazy. It's a thousand horsepower. It does like this crazy active suspension, it does a whole lot of I mean you're driving it, it's actively keeping it flat, the torque vectoring, a lot of stuff to drive it. Yeah. And you'll see a lot of I mean I I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it. Trying to be, you know, this is three times. But um yes, it does drive yeah, like a Ferrari supposed to. Okay. So yeah. There's a thing too with like high-end watches. It's very similar where like a watch will come out that's 300 grand. And it's like, okay, who the hell is gonna buy that? But as a watch person that doesn't play in that tax bracket, it is good to know that these things still exist. Like it as a person who's enthusiastic about the the mechanics and the stuff like that. Yeah. And that's the vibe I'm getting with this. There's a lot in the car that I'm just glad that it exists in an electric car and I want to see it trickle down to something else. I wonder for my analogy with like watches and I I just kinda used Rolex as my example 'cause I don't know anything about watches, but like if Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor. Smart watch, yeah. How would that land Rolex people was square? Right? Such a great example. Like if they made just a watch with a battery and a screen, and they had some cool technology in it that maybe was different that you don't see in an Apple Watch, but it was also two hundred thousand dollars. Like it's uh it doesn't matter. And well and looked no fish compared to every other Rolex. Yeah. Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch of all time. It's ugly for a Rolex. Right. If it looked like a CMF watch. Exactly. That's what what this that's this Ferrari Luce feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off, and there's another conspiracy, but maybe not even conspiracy, is Debadge. Think about think about Apple for a second. Think about Apple for a second. Think about it. Oh yeah. When they came out with the Vision Pro, what did they say? That took them a decade to make. Yeah. To like do all the engineering and the behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset, $3,500, a decade of secret of work, right? Yeah. Everyone kind of knows open secret at this point that Apple was developing a car for a long time and then eventually canned it. And then Lovefrum comes along and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020, 2019, 2020, and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven years. I I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and like complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA from a previous car project from Johnny Ivan team probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car. I could see that. And so if you take that Ferrari badge off and put an Apple logo on the front, it doesn't seem that crazy. Right. It seems it still looks like a fish. It still looks like a like a BYD ate a Ferrari with those lights on the back. Yeah. But it does feel a little because now there's no heritage, there's no Ferrari expectations. It's just like, oh, Apple made a car. What does it look like? Oh, it's kind of weird. Looks kind of like a magic mouse. But uh yeah, it's kind of weird, I guess, but whatever. That's probably a little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen. Yeah. So I think there's a little project Titan in this car. I will say that former Ferrari chairman Montezamolo uh said, I cannot say what I really think I would harm Ferrari. We risk the destruction of a legend. So sorry. Take the prancing horse off. At least the Chinese won't copy this car. I feel like he said what he thought. It was like the harshest. There was just a couple slurs in there or something in terms of what he said. Some hand gestures. Not very many people are happy. And um people are making very funny memes because in the introduction video they had of it, they had like these people who were really well dressed, were sort of walking around looking at it. And people were taking stuff. Yeah, people were taking screenshots of them being like look kind of looking terrified. Just being like, What is this? I want the unfiltered thoughts of Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton. Dude, okay, I can finally say this now. Like when I went to uh shoot the F one stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy. Just hanging around a lot of Ferrari people and all of them who'd found out that I'd driven the luche were like, so what do you think? Like, sort of nervously, like they all know that it's a little bit crazy. And they're trying to like, so what do you think? And I remember I've I I kind of said a lot of the same stuff with them. I was like, yeah, it's interior is nice, but that it lo oks really different. And they're like, Yeah, it does look very different. Like they would all agree. So they all know, like internally, they all know. Yeah. I'm just so curious about like the structure of like how they how do they decide to work with love from and have what feels like zero input on the entire car design. Minus the like rear tail lights? The tail lights feel like something that Love From took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically. But like otherwise it's an Apple. There is no other reference to any other Ferrari DNA other than the badge anywhere on this car. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like a Ferrari than this. Yeah. Because the MacBook Air at least has the wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris. There are some really interesting quirks on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to like protect them and there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the front nose of the car. So kind of like a cyber truck, but like one on each side. Kind of insane. It's kind of cool. Odd. Um the headlights are also all smooth, so like that glass continues down to the front and and over the headlights so they don't protrude at all. They're just like smooth with the body of the car. When you crack it, it's gonna cost two hundred thousand dollars. Well it's not one piece, it's just like smooth headlight glass and then continues smooth with the rest. Okay. So that's kind of interesting. The wheels, so they have this this turbine looking wheel that that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else. I think it looks horrible. But yeah, it is what you see on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate-sized wheels. So bad. With because that's more aero efficient. This is the arrow thing again. Like they look bad, but how many times have I talked about why do they need to be aerodynamic because yeah just different just different they don't have to I don't think they have to it's a Ferrari I don't give two hoots about like what type of range. I'm not gonna drive it every day, but if I didn't care about being air efficient, I would just want an eighties hatchback to be my EV. That's all I that's all I want. Yeah. So they have to get one so you can drive around I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what anyone is saying about this car, but I d I just don't I feel like they're gonna keep it why did they choose the colors they chose? I don't look if you look on their configurator. Light blue and yellow if you look on their configurator change the paint colors. It can kind of look a little less ridiculous. I think that baby blue is pretty terrible. It's horrible. The blue, actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of the car to me. But if you get to that five-spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less offensive. On that black? What? No way. This isn't black. This is blue. You're looking at my screen. This is blue. Well, this website for the configurator is really broken and bad. Yeah, the configurator is also I can't believe they l even let you configure this on the internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do it. No , these all look like something from like a two thousand and eight PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah. But this is how car configurators look. Oh my god, it looks so bad. I think it's a pretty cool car. There it is. I do. I think it's cool in the front and I think it's cool in the back and I think it's cool in the inside and I don't mind the wheels. The interior is I don't even think I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior button . But the interior is actually and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong, it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven. Yeah. It looks nice. Yeah. There was a point in Cleo's video which was really good where she and I noticed it on your video too, even though you didn't mention it, I don't think, but the bar on the tablet on the inside. Yep. It's not just like a handle to wiggle the screen around or whatever. You'd like naturally place your hand there almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen. Yeah. And I had never thought about that in any of these screens in any car. Why do you have little touches? It is in a couple cars that I've driven, it is perfect on this screen because it moves. But in my car in the in the nine eleven, it's the same thing. Like every time I touch the screen, I always rest my hand in the same exact spot and then touch the screen so I don't like too hard. That's all. And this is probably because it moves. They decided to put the handle on it. Very clever. My issue with that screen that can rotate. It's like a ball head, right? Like it can go . Yeah. It will never be level the first time you move it. You move it once and it will never be level again for the rest of its life. I think I would have to carry a level in the car with me. It's never gonna be fix it again. It would drive me insane. The key? So cool. It's so cool. So cool. So unnecessary. It's so cool. That's the cool, fun little things you yeah for. For anyone who hasn't the key, the key is this little uh rectangle, this magnetic light up rectangle with the Ferrari prancing horse on it. Giant Ferrari light. It's yellow. It's glowing yellow, and then you put it in this designated spot in the center console. It magnetizes to align with that center spot, and then you slow ly push it into the center console until it's flush. You have to do this every time. They decided like instead of getting in a car, turning a key, and then the engine comes to life, you need like a come-to-life moment for this car. So you push it into the center console, that yellow light then transfers to the drive select. Oh really cool. And then you move that to drive and then you're going. That it's like Indiana Jones, like finding an artifact and putting it in a wall. Yeah. Like that's the kind of stuff that I mean. I can't wait for these little touches to trickle down into all of our cars. Yeah. Super would break the out of us. I want to see that in the next RAV4 , baby. Yeah. So I there's there's some some great interior details with this car and uh I love that key because the logo is so big that you're like you're out with your friends and the keys on the table and they're like, damn, you have a Ferrari? Oh that's come check it out and then they see them and you're like jump just never mind Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those the same rectangle. Just like the lug on it. And they always have like a little rectangle in the center console to put the key in, but this one is like, you know, the magnet and the light and all that. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. I'm we're gonna see one on the street someday and we're all gonna go, oh boy. I was thinking that the first time I see this on the street, I'm one hundred percent stopping. Like it is one of those. Do you think you're gonna see it on the street? I don't think I'm ever going to see this on the street. You'll see it at me packing. Not as much as yeah, you'll see it like one pack. Like you'll random Lamborghini sometimes. That's a that's a neighborhood in New York. I feel like if you don't know Manhattan, you just hear it's like, no, we'll see it a meat packing. That doesn't make any sense. There's meat packing districts in other cities too. Name one. Uh Copenhagen. Oh. That's me backing down. Got him. Okay. All right. Last question for you guys. Last question on this design. And try to think like far out future. Okay. But how do we think this will age? Because a lot of cars have an initial reception, that's one thing. And then six months later, a year later, five years later, it's something different. I don't know about six months, but I think in 20 years, it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this car now, currently, is because it looks very much like all the other EVs that are coming out now. Blobs. Blobs. And I think Ferrari, when I picture Fer rari, it's the designs of the 80s and the 90s. Like it is these Pinferino. Yeah, like it is a beautiful angular beast. Aggressive, and this is not that. Right. So I think right now we're looking back on everything with such like it's your to your point, Marquez, like about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything. Yeah. I think in 30 years, when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and designs and stuff like that, then maybe I'll look back on this fondly. But right now it looks like a whale. I disagree. And do you want to know why? Why ? Do you remember the gloss y computer monitors with giant bezels from the 2010s? Yes. The Apple Cinema displays. Those did not age well. Correct. And this car reminds me of those monitors. Really? I disagree. Yeah. Why? Yeah. I think those aged like fine wine . Did do? They look nice in a room. The They might not like be like an optimal in a room. They look nice in a room. This looks nice . If you put a monitor display in that thing, absolutely. I will say something that's No, wait, whoa, whoa. That's that's not an Apple Cinema display. No, I did say Apple Cinema display. I just said the like glossy black computer. No, no, no, that's different. The Apple Cinema display has aged like fine wine. Yeah, it doesn't remind me an Apple of a Cinema display. So you know what's funny that ages like fine wine, the uh what a lot of people say is about Bugatti. They've made cars for a long time, and something they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. Yeah. And philosophically, it's because that's not going to look new anymore in five years or ten years or fifty years when people still have these cars. Like putting an iPad in your house. Yeah. Build it into the wall. And so now once you see that, you can't unsee the difference between a lot of these cars keeping it very analog or just going, you know what? Here's a 75-inch screen. Like this is just an escalade screen in your car. Yeah. This luce is curiously kind of right in the middle. Like it blends the displays. It's hard, it's really hard to get on video, but it blends the displays and the physical materials really well. And I wonder how that's going to be. The interior looks amazing. Yeah. I think that'll age fine. Did you see the tweet that just said everyone thought the cyber truck looked ugly when it was released? And all their pods are like it's everyone still thinks the exact same thing. Well, you know what's funny? Feels like what you're asking. When the cy the cybertckru is interesting because when the cybertckru first came out, there was a brief like pop star moment where people were like, It the first reaction wasn't ew, a Cybertruck. The first reaction was like, Holy cow, what is that spaceship thing? Yeah, yeah. And then it was ugly. Yeah. And so this this could have a this could hey, it could be the opposite. But this is a little weirder because I think it does look a little too much like a leaf for a Prius in a sense. Yeah, it looks like a leaf. So like and it being a Ferrari is yeah. It was cool when the Pri us looked like a Lamborghini. It's not cool when the Ferrari looks like a Prius. That's exactly why this will probably age poorly. That was perfect. Can I can I compare it to one more vehicle that has quote unquote existed in the past. Are you guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon film Elysium? Of course not. Yeah. Fair enough. There's the the villain in that movie. Uh a big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and like this sort of floating paradise up in space. And the the villain the villain spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship. And other than hav ing the Bugatti logo, it looks it has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an apt apt metaphor. That's interesting. You know what that look reminds me of? That spaceship from Lilo and Stitch. Yeah, it does . Yep. Very bubbly. Okay, question for you. Yeah. Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai NVision 74? Oh, I have a take about that . And this comes to you remember we put in the Slack? Yeah. You were like if they just argument Well you put basically if they had just m taken this old design but just made it electric. Nineteen eighties hatchbacks or nineteen eighties like square cars. And what did you say? I would would buy it bu?y it? Everyone I would buy it. I said what I want is this. I think my take on just make the old design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online I don't know, man, agrees that they all like it . Univers ally positive. The 13 mini, the 12 mini, the Zen phone, all these phones, everyone's LS when everyone who reviews them loves them. Hatchbacks are still functional though. Everybody well, I'm just saying, like the small phones got universally positive praise online from reviews, from users, from everything. Yeah. Yet still they all went extinct because not enough people actually bought them. Okay. But in the United States is the only place where we don't still make hatchbacks and and like those kind of cars. Because those are very popular in Europe. Ellis has brought in his iPhone 12 mini. He ran out the root to go grab it. Damn what a stuff. Universally beloved. Right. But it doesn't exist anymore. It had two generations and then not enough people bought it and Apple moved on to literally the opposite., the plus But like hatchbacks and those kind of cars are still very popular in Europe. Uh huh. You know? And so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't electrified them yet. Well I guess my take is not enough people would buy it. In America You think if they made a like a small hatchback? Yeah, I think like those are like the smaller hatchbacks which now if we're going back to a cheaper car, then we do care about ranging. Because the Tican Cross Turismo exists. So it's like a nineteen eighties Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of like safety regulations and stuff like that. I think you're talking more station wagons. Station wagon. Sorry, not hashtag. Station wagon. Old station wagon. Yes. But electric . Yes. 100%. This does exist in Europe. That's what it yeah. There's the Audi Avant, I forget the AE six maybe, and then there's the Volkswagen, the touring ID, and then there's a number of. things But they still don't look they still don't look like the old new design. Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want the 1980s style. But it's such a common what you're saying is a very common thread. Like when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamp ed new design. Everyone was like, but just make the old bus electric. But they didn't do it. Right. And I think it's because they know that everyone saying that just says that, but then isn't going to be a big thing. That argument just falls flat because no one bought the new version either. But they wouldn't . I saw a billion of them in y when I was in Europe last week. But also the original bus had like one centimeter of metal between you and death. So I don't know if that's you know if they could really do the same thing. But like sentimentally everyone loves the old designs. They'll have a fond place in our heart so everyone's like bring that back, make it electric and I'd buy an electric car. But do you I And then they just say that and then they don't they wouldn't. If it was like okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion dollars, you know, if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around like, you know, forty or something, I feel like it would be popular. But I might be wrong. Maybe. I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know because it'll happen. No one's making them. Can we just what if I ask I don't know, I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world where this is happening. Um Okay, speaking of EVs, you saw a cyber cab in Texas. I did. But I had the steering wheel. Depends on how we define cyber cab, because I saw it if anyone's been in Austin, Texas in the last couple weeks, you've probably seen this too. You'll see a random cyber cab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it, and there's just a person driving it. And I don't know, I haven't looked into it, I don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people will tell us in the comments, like they're either testing it or like trying to validate some something. It's an optimist robot, it's not a person. That explains why he waved back like that. Uh no, it was it was it was just like it it looked pretty close, like it had no side view mirrors, it had like it was the same type of car with the like weird wheel covers. Um, but it was driven by a human, and I assume that that happens with basically every EV before it has to get, you know, validated cer,tified, et cetera, and then it's good to go. Uh I don't think that says anything about when this car is actually going to come out. Yeah, no. Because there are many things about that car that uh don't appear to be ready to go. It it did look pretty bad. Like we were behind it briefly, and you could see like the wheel cover just like flopping around next to the car. It was not pretty. Yeah. Um, but yeah, maybe, maybe soon. Someday. Maybe. Yeah. I think my hair is safe if that's what you're asking. Yeah, I'm not asking that. Uh two days ago, Tesla's chief designer said that the second generation roadster will be built in Texas and said that alpha prototypes are currently in testing. And I'm like, it's You've said a lot of things about say now. Oh yeah, yeah. Nine years. So why are you in the alpha stage? When you took pre-order. Because they haven't done anything. If you actually know it's funny. If you listen to everything I said about the roster for the past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old because I remember when I was still a believer in the roadster. There was an old Franz van Hollehausen interview, I think, on the Ride the Lightning podcast where he went on it was probably five, six years after it was announced, and he was like, Everything about the roadster is gonna be better than what we showed you on stage. Remember that? Yeah. It's like everything about all the metrics, everything will be back. And I thought about that. And I was like, okay, you announced a 200 kilowatt-hour battery, a 600-mile range, a 1.9-second zero to 60, and an 8.5 second And somehow all of that is going to be better when it comes out. How? What? I don't know if I believe any of this anymore. Yeah. And so yeah, here we are. It's 2026 and we have new bait. This is like bait for people like me. They're just like, here's a new thing to talk about. Talk about the roadster. And it's an alpha prototype testing and they're gonna build it in Texas. Sure. It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the roadster now that they stop making the model S that's the same that's actually mo m the most important thing. They literally discontinued the two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff. And this car would be lower volume. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the hard part to believe. That makes no sense. I just don't yeah, it's I don't know. I don't think that's AI needs more money in their bottom line. SpaceX, Twitter, AI. SpaceX, Twitter, AI. I mean the roaster has essentially become like uh like a stock boost button. Yeah. When you need a boost, you just talk about the roadster. Just talk just promise the roadster again. Just hit the button. And then it'll be another year before anything happens and then they'll promise it again. And that's that's the road. Just time to say it flies.. Yeah I mean they did say it flies. So many years ago. As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, I have decided to stop thinking about it. Yeah, you should just put it out of your head. Yeah. Well, speaking of things that we stop'll thinking about directly after the podcast, the answers to these trivia questions. I don't know about you, but I'm gonna think about these for a long time. These trivia questions? Yeah. Forever. Do you guys want the Fitbit question or the Ferrari question? Fitbit. Fitbit. Ferrari. Oh, outvoted, Marquez. Sorry. Can I at least hear it later? Sure. Sure. I'll pull you aside and I'll tell you it later. Great, great, great. All right. So here is the Fitbit question. The first wrist based Fitbit was called what? Frari question. I think we just gotta vote it. Let's go. Uh the first one.. Wow First Fitbit? History. The first wrist base Fitbit. Wrist base Fitbit kind of implies that there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear-based. No, like the pedometer one that David always brings up. The one you put in your shoe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when I worked at Intel, everyone used that one. They were doing step goal challenges. It had a name, huh? Not doing any work. Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to God. Do they do work now? Probably not. Dang. They're funded. They're ten percent owned by the government. So they're too busy swimming in that China Lake or whatever. China Lake? Is that the name of their their flagship? Oh it's silver. Is it really not? Oh, you mean like oh the yeah, okay. Meteor lake, that kind of stuff. I don't think they had China Lake. It's near where you grew up. That's where I I got it mixed up. So those lakes. Yeah. Anyway, we'll think about this. Thank you so much, Marcus. We'll get to the answers at the end. We'll be right back . In the span of a decade, Ben Shapiro built the Daily Wire into a conservative media empire. 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I it seems like it was found on the Motorola subreddit and, then Ben Sh un did a uh article on it on 95 Google. But essentially, in a recent app update, people have noticed that if you go to Amazon the app inside your drawer, that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app. And apparently it is running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app. So it's honey on it. Every single it it is honey, but on Motorola phones. I feel like that Honey investigation came out and all the companies were like, oh, we could have made a lot of money doing that. So the Amazon app that's preloaded on Motorola phones is Yeah. It's really bizarre . Because it's it looks so hacky. First of all, if it is on your home page, it does not do it for some reason , which I mean I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage, but anyways, if you go through the app drawer, um, they were testing it, and yeah, you would click it, and for s people like us, I think we would notice it because really quickly you'd see like the browser UI like white flash screen and then the Amazon uh app would come up. So you're inside the Amazon app, yeah, the full blown app. But you know like whenever you maybe click on a YouTube link right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser. It kind of looks like that, except you're pulling it from your app drawer instead. So it was really strange. I don't think a lot of people would notice it. And it wasn't happening previously. In fact, at nine to five Google they tested it on older apps, uh on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a more recent one, it has started doing it. Look at the video. The funniest, yeah, if you watch the video and the link on there, it shows it. But um the funny thing is, is you know, we've seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of shady ads or whatever to like make up for the fact that they're so cheap. Nine to five Google tested this on the nineteen hundred dollar razor fold and it's still doing it. So this is just a full-blown Motorola issue. Um issue. And the way it it just seems so sketch it it apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like fashion influencer, except that website itself doesn't actually when you go to that fashion influencer, she doesn't link it anywhere. So it looks like this almost like fake uh like URL developed to create this this redirect that's doing it. So it seems super hacky, almost like somebody at Motorola like pushed this somehow. Well think about this. Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being like their primary source of revenue, right? So if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue, just off of like reviews and stuff, of course these companies are gonna be like, wait, we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this. Um imagine getting the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon on your every single time. I want to know what that number is based on this rate so high. This is so weird. Sorry. Sorry, Amazon should be suing Motorola on something like that. Because they're not actually being an affiliate. They're not actually pushing people towards that urchin. Is that gonna be their argument? Is like, well we preloaded the Amazon app, so you're welcome. So now here's how it's taking up. I definitely paid a fee for that already. Yeah. That's why I usually think this also doesn't feel like something Motorola like would want to do. It's so it's like not that obvious, but it's also so obvious that something is going on here that it's like something On the scale of a company like Motorola, I don't know how much this is worth it. It sounds to me like this is like a weird I feel like have we confirmed they're making money off of this? Or is it like a little it's confirmed that it's like an Amazon affiliate. Some random intern just like injected. That's what I think is. Yeah. That would be insane. That'd be crazy. Would not doubt if this is patched by the time the episode comes out, because of how obvious and like stupid it is. But I am dying to know what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many. Because that to me makes well it doesn't make sense. But the business logic from Motorola side, I would wanna know how many times people are clicking that Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon. So I don't know if it's like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate code to make money. It's also yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's it's a number though in that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this, but is a big enough number to where like maybe you'd be okay getting fired. And they sell they sell a lot of phones. Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if you make any time anyone makes a purchase on Amazon, you make money from that. That adds up very quickly. It's true. They sell a lot of phones outside the US. Especially in like South America. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Interesting. This is a good thing I hope we find out I hope we find out it's just a tracker to like keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links. But yeah. If you look at like the URL it goes to and stuff, it just all is so weird . I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or something doing something. I just hope it goes away immediately, just like this next thing we're about to talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'll let you shut your mouth. Okay . Have you guys ever lived in nineteen eighty? No. Actually nineteen seventy. No, I have not. I might be the closest. Neither have I. But something happened in 1970 that was pretty cool, and it was called the disco. So Spotify uh recently updated their app icon. It was a temporary, it's it is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of their anniversaries. They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle, so they updated it to be a disco ball, which is cool. I think it was cute and fun and pretty and um the internet got very angry about it, which is ridiculous because do you guys hate fun? Do you guys just hate I don't understand Don't change my icon on my phone. Yeah, give me the iPhone. Give me the option. Oh come on. But uh it's a pretty big change. It is a disco ball. I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kind of tired of it. Yeah. Disco balls are like one of the most They're one of the most universally loved on Android, is it? Disco balls? Yeah, disco balls. But disco ball icons? I don't know. I mean, that's a disco ball. Well, anyway. Spotify changes a little gonna be disco ball. The primary uh reason that people are mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better. You know, like a disco ball. Well, disco balls are not yeah, I guess they are kind of bright by default. Anyway, it it doesn't really matter. The point is, um there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson, who made a tweet and titled it Discomorphism. And in the tweet, he took th four different app icons and he turned them into disco themed icons. So he did YouTube, Claude, Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. Um maybe you guys know what that is. And he made I don't think this is AI. I think he actually did this legit for real for real on God. And it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. And he did that. And then S Samir Samat, the president of the Android ecosystem ed quote tweet it and said, Should we make this an icon pack? I responded to Samir and said, please, Samir, do it for me . He said, We will weigh this heavily to me. And then four days later, he he tweeted, Your wish is our command. Disco icons are now available on Pixel as of today. Are you sure you still want this, David and Race Johnson? I'm glad he asked for clarification because he's like this is a terrible idea. Are you sure you still want this? Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad? And uh I still want this. So now if you have a pixel phone, you there I don't know if it's technically an iPon icon pack or if it's like a theme. Someone was saying that it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack. But all the Google icons and like various different uh app icons now have disco themed icons, which looks very cool, very fun. I will say a lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem AI generated. They're definitely AI generated. Yeah, that's the beauty of Android, is you're allowed to ruin your phone Yeah, exactly. And we've had that conversation before, like when Apple introduced like in iOS 18 when they made it, so it was like insanely ugly because everything was like the same color and gross and weird. Like you have the option to ruin your phone, but this definitely feels AI generated because if you look at the individual disco tiles, some of them sort of like morph into each other and kind of like it's like kind of sloppy. Um Gemini. Regardless, we got discomorphism. So that this has now been coined. Uh it's a race Johnson coinage. And uh I was just happy to be part of it, even though I did nothing. Do you want this on your legacy though? Yeah. You do? Yeah, I think this would be a great part of my legacy. I didn't really do anything, to be clear. It's all Rayce Johnson. I was just like you're part of this. I mean, I'm part of it. Sure. This is uh and Samir did it for me in particular. This could be the luce of your design portfolio. That's fine with me. I would rather be known as the guy who made the disco icons happen on Android versus the guy that designed the luche. No, no, no, no, David. Yes, yes, yes, Alice , yes. Absolutely. Do you disagree? No, that's a good take, actually. Thank you. I just don't think these icons look good at all. You don't think they look good, do you? How do I do I was trying to put them off? No, just make it sure. I don't think they look good. But I still But you should be allowed to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Especially on Android. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Um That's that . We got the discomorphism. Next week is gonna be a big week because it's the last week before dubdub. So we'll probably have some predictions, stuff like that. We're gonna be a big Apple week next week. But until then, we got a bunch of trivia questions. Not about dub dub. So roll that trivia sound, my friends. I'm gonna need a marker. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam. What happened? What was the results of last week's poll? You don't want to know. I don't know how to quantify all of this. I have an idea. Ask Gemini based on the comments what it thinks we should do. You think I didn't try that? Okay, what it is. The studio the studio assistant should have like a studio assistant. Okay, wait, let me try it right now live try it live like based on the comments of this video how should we adjust the scoreboard so uh for those who were not listening last week or didn't finish the full episode or have not heard last week's episode there were two questions last week. One of them had to do with Sony, Xperia phones. I put Sony, Andrew put Xperia. There was a debate. I did not bring this argument back up. There was a debate whether or not I should get the point or if Andrew should get the point or we should both get the One of and then Marquez uh misheard well he didn't miss here. Adam said the word wrong. And then I fully got it. But it didn't seem that wrong. Yeah. Yeah. But he got it wrong. And so people I answered his question right. Well yeah, so the that was That's fair. Which one of these is not an app, and then he said it incorrectly. Therefore the thing he said out loud was not an app. Correctly identified. Adam basically told the audience Sorry, Google Japan and I was like, you need to fix the chapters. No way. No. Guys, we can do this every week. We fix we add chapters every week. Can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to fix the chapters? Dude, I've told YouTube to fix the chapters. Gemini is just trained on the most common things that people say, so I guess that makes sense. That was really funny. All right. Well wh,ile Adam determines this, I'm gonna uh do the trivia. Is that a good idea, Adam? Do I have your blessing? Go for it. All right, blessing received. Blessed. Question number one, y'all. Like the Pope with the Ferrari. Question number one . In the late in the early two thousand ten, so early it was literally two thousand ten, Motorola released a phone that had an IP six seven rating. All over the internet people were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, wow still works. Wow, really? What phone is it ? Sorry. What phone is it? I didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would. What phone is it? There you go. This is so wrong. Yeah, I don't think I even have a guess. I'm just yeah. I'm just reminiscing on old motorola. Yeah, me too. I'm not. I just wrote You just wrote Moto? I just wrote Well I didn't make it that far . We both uh I I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Modo. It would be really Modo. The Atrix is the one that no no, I I just said the company . I actually didn't think about that. Sony only makes one line of phones right now. No, no, no, no, no. The experience . Motorall makes multiple phones. Style is the razor. The razor. The correct answer was the Motorola defy of never. Actually I have heard that. Okay. Okay. Gemini has an answer. Okay. It's a good answer too. Okay. And it is an answer. Okay. But first, I wanna point out that last week my question was which of the following is not a real Google project? I intended the answer to be angle. I was trying to be cute, playoff of Angular, which is a real thing. Multiple people in the comments also pointed out that Angle is a real project. Of course it is. Whoa. So Marcus really is actually the only one correct. Yes. Yeah. Also a real project, an open source project. But either way, Gemini said based on the audience feedback for Google I.O. colon, oops, all Gemini. The consensus is clear. Andrew deserves a point for the first trivia question. Marquez deserves a point for the second. So sorry, Dave. AI slop. AI slop. AI slop. Hallucinations and plus one. At this point, I have to agree with Marquez getting the point because of the fact that we probably shouldn't have gotten the point for it. My favorite comment was I think David should get the point just because I saw one that said Andrew should get two and David should get one. Just for the hell of it. Just for the chaos. All right, next question. The first wrist based Fitbit was called what? I had something in my head. Did you know? Atrix. Put it on the board . I don't remember what it is. Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first one that had a fingerprint sensor on the back? Yeah. Damn, that was a good finger. And there was a yeah, 4G. It had the dock too. Wait, hold on. Yeah, the dock. I wanted to make that. Oh my god. That phone so bad. Sure. Ah, I had something in my head earlier, but I completely forgot. Alright, well, what'd you got? Flip it and read. Ooh, that's a good one. Uh I I just guessed Fitbit one too logical. Too logical. Sorry. I just wrote Fibbit. Which is actually just a typo we made in the main channel. Oh, Fibbit. It's one of those like letters that's like four people watch thated video and none of us caught it. Yeah. I wrote Aria , but it's like all it is the Fitbit Flex. Oh wow. That was the first you don't flex your wrist. I think I should have to f no, but it's because it was like that rubber. Is that considered flexing? Actually, it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much. It's flex.