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That's why you rack I read a stat last week that there's like a quarter of the amount of people there's rats in New York City. Like there's no a quarter, yeah. Wait what? Wait, hold on. I don't understanding' four times as many rats One quarter as many rats. a quarter of everyat One rat for every four people. There's one rat for every Yeah, one rat. isn't that? That's like that's a lot of rat. Pretty nice One rap per four person people So there's a twenty five percent chance you have a rat following you. There's a twenty five percent chance you are a rat. Yeaho, what is up people the Internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. and I'm David And this week there's music playing for some reason. I don't know why. Some reason. But it feels we're all back. We're back We're back. That's why' here. It's true. crew. S spoiler. We didn't even say our names yet We did. we did. Audio didn't Did we? Yeah, we did. We R. She said our manw. We went around and said our names and we were like, So we haven't said our names So we're all back. We're all also rusty, but hey It's it's another tech week. It's Tarch Tay. Mch. It's mech Google IO happened. We got a whole bunch of Gemini stuff. Sony tweeted they have these new headphones, but they also tweeted this April Foolsday joke like two months late. It was about AI photo correction. We'll talk about that A new camera might be a Fuji X one hundred V competitor, maybe. And a story about the coolest things we've ever done as a company because it's new And we've been keeping it a secret. But it's time you guys finally know about this thing that we've been doing And I'm very excited to share it with you. At the end, can't skip ahead full retention. Yeah. Wait I don't know what this is. So I'm gonna be excited. Imost. I was like, yeah, totally. It's incredible. Uh totally Yeah. But first, Did they even test this? Yes. I think David has some that are for next week. Yeah that are gonna be really fun. I'm going a teaser. I'm gonna give you guys a choice I was writing some things down on my Paternity So I have a few, but I have either a, did they even test this or one that I was impressed by? so I wrote it as a hell, yeah, they actually did test this. So people have been saying maybe some of these things are a little too downer. I'll open the floor that if you're ever really, really impressed by something, we'll put that in. I that up. Be they did. I do like when things surprisingly work and you didn't expect them to Yes This is one of the it sounds like we want to go with the Oh yeah they test. I think that would be fun. Cool.ure. This is something that's positive, worked really well It's something that maybe surprised me because this feature hasn't worked for a long time. but I had a really good magic cQ experience Google messages. remind people what magicQ. MagicQQ is a feature in Google messages where depending on what the person is sending you in a text message, you'll get instead of like an auto reply of Yes, no, whatever, like a suggestion of Mbe they're asking about an event. So here's your calendar and you can post in the calendar event for it. It's supposed to help you Answer things that Google should know within your Google Lands Gick easier. Yes. So I had somebody a mutual friend of Marquz and I say Hey, do you have any photos of that camera crane arm you used to have on Marquez's Tesla and I was like, wow, that was a long time ago. We don't have that anymore. I'm not even sure. I'm sure they're in here somewhere And I got a little button that said Google Photos Oh, cool. I can one click. I'm still gonna to have to search for it. Google photos. L launch Google phot R there, suggestions based on the text message and there's two pictures of Marquz's car with the camera crreen. Wow. And I just clicked both of them and said Thank goodness for Magic Q because these are actually them. and Mistos had no idea what I was talking about. Butres he got the pictures he needed. That is what supposed to be amazing for.'s supposed to do. It is now one for three thousand That yeah, it's I' found that I can I can search brand names in Google Photos and it can it can tell me like Tesla versus regular c. or you can search Mercedes and will find Well Mercedes. Here's something that's funny It's said on a Tesla, like in the suggestion said on a Tesla. It was one of like eight photos that I tested. The one before it was the u trailer hitch camera mouse with a giant forth look I on it. It always posly is not. don't know I don't know, how but it always has false positives for some reason, but yes, it did. it did find the Tesla, which is cool ool I think it found the cran ar. I think that was the The the discerning factor, that was a little easier to pick up on and unique. It's been getting the faces wrong for me recently. Has it?? Yeah, I'll be like this person in Canada and it'll be like eighty percent of them is that person, but then twenty percent of them will be a different person. Fs positives? Yeah.. It just seems to cast the net wider than it's supposed to, which is probably a good miss Yeah. And then yeah, it'll just have some random stuff. that's not what you asked for, but it will always have somewhere in there one of the things you asked for. Right? J. Okay. I tweeted that I'm going to have a generational crash out, so I think that's about to happen And what will you be taling out about today, David If you're unaware This week, two companies decided to do the worst thing possible to piss me off That's right Google and Sony decided to implement new AI image editing features. that just proves that engineers have no idea what the a photo is supposed to look like I think they tag you specifically. Yeah post. I felt I' personally very attacked by this. beforefore we get into it, the blame, I'm not sure where to put it on just the grouping of engineers because we've had Photo engineers come to us and say We watched your video on this and we've been trying to tell people on our team. I'm bling on social media. So there's there is someone to blame and I agree and it doesn't take anything away from this. Some of the engineers know what they're talking about. Yeah. Okay, well to be fair Okay, I'm just gonna to talk about exactly what happened. do you w want tona talk about Sony first or Google F first? Let's see the Sony one. The Sony one. Okay. Sony tweeted this photo from a new phone that of course they just basically didn't announce like usual. called the Eperia, what is it? Experia O M Mark eight. That's probably way too expensive, and they'll announce it now and it'll release in September, and then know what it will buy it. And it'll be available only at BNH. It's available for preordder, okay It's a for f. It can spend one thousand four hundred pounds on it and it ships in a month in June. In June That's actually way faster than that. E ever done. They're better. Pretty bad, but it's better than they've been in a long time. Yes. So they' Okay what's happening. So they tweet this tweet that says the new AI camera assistant asterisks for some reason With Experia intntelligence brings stories to life. usings subject scene and weather, it suggests expressive options with adjustments of color, exposure, bqu, and lens, whatever that means, for breathtaking photos. What does that mean? adjustments for lens? What does that even mean Okay. There are four photos here One of them is Kind of acceptable, I suppose, brrother. It's like a flower and they made it warmer and it's like fine The other two are It's hard to explain how bad these are One of them is almost definitely not directly from the camera because the shadows were already jacked and it was already underexposed. And I'm pretty sure that this was preedited. But the AI edited version is like sharpening to twelve Whites to twelve Saturation to negative three. boosted the red for no reason. To explain the photo, it's a woman standing in a field full of like tall hay and a blue background and like you said, it's a underxressed. And the horizon is at thirty degrees. Yeah. How was she standing straight but the horizon actually That might be the more. I don't understand this mountain, maybe. Is this a fake picture? I the strangest social media posts I' ever seen. Okay, but the the worst one is a sandwich. The sandwich. whichich already like looked like a phone photo, like it has that compression, it has that oversharpening, whatever, at least it had contrast. The AI camera assistant one One of the worst edits I've seen in my entire life I have an Instagram post from before I knew what cameras were where I applied like three Instagram filters to make it look kind of similar to this where it's just like really washed out with like No color whatsoever. L I used to I used to think that that's what made a good picture too. We all did. We all did those too. No. It's like all of content. You didn't do it. My bio since the beginning of my Instagram account was I promised not to overdo the filters. I mean But did you? Look at this. Hashtag, no filter was my end of the spectrum. Oh yeah, that was This is bad, right? Youar it ye. It's so bad. Guilty The sandwich is like it's a croissant with, I don't know. Yeah turkey, cheese, tomato, lettuce, like there's of a sandwich L lotots of good colors that could be yeah, it's a really closeu of a sandwich. Yeah, but it is so. Brightened washed out in the new one that the white text that says AI camera assistant is almost hard to read in the photo because the photo behind it is so bright and washed out that it gets lost. Yeah Okay, so if you look at smartphone camera upgrades sents like the iPhone seven, specifically from US smartphone manufacturers You're probably going to notice that there hasn't been a lot of change over the years. you know, the iPhone like eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, sevententy, Like we did these camera tests, right Smartph cameras Over time especially from U. S. manufacturers, really what they've gotten better at is they've gotten better at low light because the sensors get bigger, they get better at the stabilization. The low light eventually gets better. However The primary thing that these companies have been doing is making signs easier to read because they look at user data and they say, what do people usually use their smartphone for And it's not To take artsy pictures, right? It's to take pictures of signs, to send information to each. A lot of utility photos. A lot of utility. esspecially Zoom. Yeah, of it's probably like eighty percent of what people take photos of, right? Depends on the age Depends on the age. I think a lot of old people have a lot of utility photos. That is. You're taking pictures of kids anymore. It's just like menus at restaurants. Yeah, signs to read them better. I mean, I take photos of those things. Exactly. send them to friends, whatever. But people are buying digy cams right now because all these smartphone manufacturers have just been jacking up the shadows crrushing the highlights, adding sharpening, you know, like People like, oh, people are buying DJG gams because they're old and they're like fashionable. It's like, no The digit cams that people are buying now are still good cameras. It's just that they don't apply a ton of computational photography to these camera, to these photos, right? So I have a diagram for you guys that I'm going to pull up. It's not a diagram, but it's something I made this morning It's just a bunch of red yarn strewn across. So this is a normal picture. This is a picture I took in Colorado a couple of weeks ago, right? It is a mountain landscape. There's some trees in there. there's some bright clouds, there's snow, which is quite bright. Then there's some, you know there's a lake, stuff like that. Blue sky. Blue sky. So there's kind of a lot going For people that don't know, there's a thing called a histogram, which has a thing in it called a tone curve. And effectively, it's a It's a chart that moves from left to right and up and down. And on the left side, you've got your shadows in the middle, youve got your mid tones. and on the right you've got your highlights And to have a well balanced histogram, it's kind of important to have information in the like to have a lot represented in the shadows, mid tones, and highlights what these smco camera companies are doing is they are jagg in the sh Out of the shadows, they are crushing the highlights. They are adding clarity I would say a negative Dhaze specifically on that sandwich photo. Yeah. And it looks like this. And this is kind of what that AI camera assistant photo looks like. And if you look at the histogram You pull in all of the highlight information and the shadow information and it all goes away and it all gets crushed into the center. the middle so it's one big all a midtone Everything is the midtone Would you say these smartphone companies should atone for their tone curve? Yeah. Yes, they need to atone their sense Thank you. Yeah. I'm back, baby. I just want to say now. And we've made this analogy before. The difference between a circle and a sphere is shhadow is shadow is is like curvature, which you can only add through like a transition from highlight to shadow, right Carvaggio Da Vinci, they died for the sh Okay. they invented this sh Paintings In Italy in the middle ages we were all flatied And then they were like, what if we added transitions between color and tone? And then things felt realistic and three dimensional. And people are like, wow, we can have realistic stuff And all these smartph companies are just like, nah, bro, we're going back to before the Middle Ages. Yeah. I don't know. I just there's something like the Chinese the Chinese manufacturers are actually making good cameras But for some reason, the U.S. manufacturers, they're just like Now. Now we're going to keep doing the same computational photography that we did our when our sensors were like a micron b. I don't think it's just the US manufacturers. I so I was going to say I talked about this in the big Android update video because that Before and after that they did. I wish we'll get a second. I talked about processing.. And I did this thing where I had every single version of a camera of every single iPhone, every single Samsung G galaxy S, every single Google phone Yeah. And I thought Samsung's phones were pretty strong. Like the HDR happening in the S twenty sixs versus like the S twenty two's and S twenty three's, it looks worse because they're trying to do this thing where they save bad photos which feels like a win, but it also over processes good photos, which is definitely not a win. Yeah. So yeah, that's Sony, Samsung Google, Apple A lot of them are guilty of this in a lot ofays. I mean, iPhone seven and before, the photos look great because they actually had contrast. In some ways, and they've gotten better, obviously, too. You have more resolution, you have more depth of field. You have things that have gotten, you more impressive at capturing and getting good photos out of like bad situations. but yeah They just need to change how they process the information now that they have waybeer sensors. Yeah. They haven't done that. Like they're using the same algorithms that they were using on the Pixel onene You know a subreddit that's aged really well? Rar slash HDR. I subscribed to that subwriter a long time ago because it was hilarious because HDR was like this funny novel thing that used to like used to be able to overdo and you'd get Uh pictures on like Facebook like this. Yeah. I like, Oh my God, hilarious you've ever doneone HDR. Yeah. What is it? You can you get this effect. This is just one many extremely overprocessed photos. When you drag highlights all the way down, shadows all the way up, clarity all the way up, sharpness all the way up, that's what you get And that kind of feels like what's still happening. There was an era in fine art photography like right after Photoshop got invented where people invented bracketing, which is where you take right On a tripod, you take like an underexposed photo, a perfectly exposed photo and an overexposed photo. and you use the information from all of those three photos or up to like nine to basically make like a hyper HDR image. And there was a trend like in fine art photography specifically because it was hard to do Right What people consider good quality is basically things that are difficult So at the time, you had to have the knowledge to do this. And so if you go into any like coffee shop in like a fancy town, there's a giant photo on the wall of like a mountain landscape or a river that just looks Horrible Yeah ye. I think And it's always printed on metals. Y It's glossy weird. I hate that. If you go to Oh my God, I'm so glad you said that. Any like gallery in a town outside a national park. Yeah. like Yeah, it's just like a bunch of animal photos that were taken with great cameras and like it's almost like I need to make this as Cool and like impressive as possible because I took this amazing picture of a moose, but it's just like they sell them for like five thousand dollars. Yeah. It'll be like a sunset where the sky is like so orange. It's like it's like you meled ten thousand basketballs into it. Yeah. And and like like a wolf that's like silhouetted because it's bracketed, there's still tons of sorry, this is like my pet pece. Was that near Estes Park There's probably forty galleries in Estis Park that have like these exact pictures I'm talking about. I specifically remember one next to a coffee shop. Yeah. I think there is something what you said where like people think that it's good if it looks difficult. And if there's like back in the day when photos were eight megapixels, if you get a really sharp photo, that would look like a really good camera. Yeah. sharpen dehaze and like create a really you know, structured sharp photo. It looked quote better, even though it didn't really look that good. Just ' you didn't know how to do it. Yeah. So that sort of stuff started leaking into like this generic photography That's bracketing is the same thing. It's like, okay, if I want to take a picture with like the blue sky in instead of blown out, it would be really difficult unless I had a photo or camera with great dynamic range or I could learn bracketing and get like two or three photos and combine them So now every time I take a photo, I'm like, I should do bracketing just to make sure it looks better Yeah's not necessarily better then that starts screepping ir reggular photos too. Really, And this is even happening in film photography. Like there's a film photography is kind of trendy right now, you know, whatever There's this like saying that people would be like, oh, just always overexposeed by a stop so that you always have information in the shadows. it's like No Because then you're just going to get an image that has too much information in the shadows. And like yeah Yeah, I guess you can scale it back because the highlights are more protected, but it's better to actually expose for the photo you want N just show all the information all of the time. Yeah You know? So to get back to the Sony thing. Yeah, they well two things on the Sony thing. Yeah. One, that tweet with all the horrible edits from the AI thing blew up. It has thirteen and a half million views on Twitter. Their marketing department is like, I'm so confused because the best time to delete this was yesterday. But also this is the most traction we've ever gotten. It's a lot of views. Yeah. So on that subject, the second thing is they posted a follow up tweet Thats said did. Following the post about the AI camera assistant, we'd like to explain the feature in more detail. It doesn't edit photos after shooting It suggests four settings in different creative directions based on the scene and subject. You can choose any option and use own or use your own settings. And so they show a couple more examples of one original photo and then four suggested AI examples. Yeah Almost makes it more baffling that they decided to show such a horrible example of a creative direction on all of those photos. They look dramatically worse. Yeah. The fact that they thought that was creative direction, I guess is a choice. To be fair two of these suggestions out of the four are horrible too. But they're nowhere near as bad as as the the other ones were. So like even in this has four suggestions and none of them are as bad Whereas the other one That way through approval that those do so many things about this. likeike even just the base photo that looks like it's like one megapixel. Like it's sos over sharpened and soft and. Yeah. Do you think they'd sue us if we sold a t shirt with that sandwich photo because I would I also love that you can barely read the text. Yeah camera assistantional on it. Yeah. So anyway, they The social media post is baffling. Whoever decided to choose those as the examples for the post ended up winning because they got thirtyteen million posts vias on their social media posts, but also like Now everyone's dunking on this Sony phone again, whichich might be the most attention any Sony Experi one has gotten in a decade. Yeah, but that's true. Maybe not for the right reason. I mean, I probably wouldn't even have heard that they had released this. I didn't even know they released the last one. That's actually true. I didn't know that this phone was coming out. You know what how I knew it was coming out? Like two days before this, someone on our subred was like Why does big tech reviewers never do Sony phones? This one's coming out and it's clearly going to be the best camera. It would automatically win the smartphone awward. And then this came out a bunch of people in the comments were like Isn't this the camera you were talking? Maybe not, my friend. The smartphone award Okay and another thing happened with the camera editing this week. So was I missed the Android show episode and I watched the Android Show while I was in Europe. And it was mostly good. you know, I actually liked a lot of it. I thought Google did a good job kind of humanizing their upper management people. No I hard disagree. I thought it was It was really fringy, which was very human It was cringy V cringy. It was It was cringy. Every time it made me face palm. like that's that was the vibe. The like the like half cut of like, am I supposed to say something funny here, Kii? L Oh boy. I didn't watch it, but that sounds brutal. I think just the way before they talk, they're like, they'd have like an unscripted moment, right which was which was probably scripted. Yeah.. It was tough. I think if you have to describe it as humanizing upper level management Red flag That's true. It's hard for all these companies. They have like business leaders and like ruthless engineers like trying to also be the person who presents the thing on camera. I mean, IO is rough. Mine is Woodward. He was great, but a weir job. Almost every company does a terrible job at it. I think Apple's the gold standard that they're all trying to match because they have robot incredibly yeah, robot energy, but they at least have like like way produce conversational types of presentations But they also don't pretend like they're actually having a real conversation. They're not like, Hey, Jason, would you mind if you sent me that screenshot of this? sureure, Cheryl Like they don't do that kind of thing. Honestly, since COVID, it was like when we had real live techn like your house, live presentations, those were that was like an era And then after COVID, we got these like produced things. That's this new era that we're in. And they're trying to make this produced era of presentations feel kind of real again by having unscripted moments or like long one takes or Carl Pay just like not blinking for five minutes or whatever they gott to do to make it feel like a person And also because the general sentiment around technology is at an all time low right now. Also true. Like for regular people, regular people hate technology right now. Yeah. And try to put the person there so you feel like you're talking to a person instead of getting a tech demo. Have you seen IO, which is a giant AI show. Just to go on everyone, the resentment is like, have you seen all these commencement speechures boo? Yeah, getting booed like at all g speers got be like crazy, yeah There's been like multiples of them last week. so ye. speak to a bunch of students who are graduating, like matriculating into the next part of their life and you're going to talk about Aentic for It's like what's wrong with you? That's insane that she's talking. Yeah. it's a little It's a little derail the point. But so at the end. So at the end I think I missed photo you're about to talk about. Oh really? Yeah, I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it beforefore and after? I tweeted it, I tweeted. I'll show you. Okay, so most of the features they released at the end of showhow were actually pretty cool. Like they they have the widgets that you can just generate on in an instant and kind of create whatever you want. But one of them was basically the same thing as this Sony thing, except it was like Now you can take any social media like photo or video and instantly make it look better with like this new Google feature, which I thought we've had auto mode for like a really, really long time. so I'm surprised that they considered this like new and better But they took a photo that looked pretty decently well exposed. likeike maybe it was slightly undxposed a little bit And then they did the exact same thing that Sony did where they just like made it way brighter uh, softened it And that was kind of it. Like they dragged the exposure slider up a little bit, but they also jacked up the shadows and pulled down the highlights. And it's like it would be a prime R slash HDR candidate. Yeah. And she's like, it's so awesome because you can take a photo that looked like this and it's like a normal looking picture. like I would prefer would that would be a fine photo in my opinion To this And like the resulting photo is just so bad looking. Yeah. Now the thing is, we know that people preferer brighter photos, especially in this before and after context, where if you just had that original photo, they'd go, oh, yeah, it looks fine But for some reason Regular people look at the before and then look at the after and go, oh, the after is better. It's brighter. I can see more things, therefore it's a better photo And we haven't been able to escape this. So these companies just keep seeing that response that people have and just keep doing what people keep rewarding, which is making the photo brighter, seeing more in the shadows, seeing more in the highlights and That's the result. I have a theory that people who are not like like are not creative people who are not artists. they don't have taste, but they like things that are bad. Because their taste is associated That was going a different way. What do you think? I thought you're gonna say they have no taste, so they just try to execute the technically better thing, even though it's No. I just like D telling them their taste. But she said they don't actually like things that are bad. But they like things that are bad. Well, you know how you know how over time when you get better at something things that you used to like look at and aspire for, you're like eventually like, actually that wasn't that good. And your taste kind of moves upwards. Yes. And you move around, you're like, oh, now I'm interested in this. L I'm looking up at this and it changes. I think when, you, if you're not in that specific hobby or that specific art form or that niche you don't and you don't really know what makes something look good. you're going to gravitate towards the things that you think look good at that time Brain Yeah S we just cut this whole section? No, no, no just I not subjective and yeah, I think it when I picture someone for right. No, I think it's in a fascinating conversation. When I picture someone with no taste, I picture them not having any direction at all to what they tend to pick. But I think what happens is regular people just see brighter as better. the same way that people hear louder as higher quality It's just sort of default. It's a default that humans tend to just do that And so now they don't have taste, but that's the one thing that they understand is better, right? Also if like I think for a lot of people, they're not even looking at the quality of their photo and they just don't want the auto camera settings to fail ever Like the idea that like every single picture comes out usable to some degree, I think is like Yeah, for sure. I think it goes all the way back. We, you know, we big circled this into David said most people are looking at these as tools. These are tools. The brighter photo shows more information, the louder thing I might be able to hear more of. and most people care about it as tools because they don't Mind that it's like a beautiful photo you might hang. Yeah. They mind that it's a photo that they can see their kid having fun of. Yeah ye. And to play deevil's Avocate for for the terrible HDR photo that we get from the beforefore and after It is easier for most people to turn the after into what they want than the before. That makes sense. I can turn up contrasts, bring the shadows back down and like make it a regular looking photo out of the insane looking thing. more easily than someone looking at the original turning it into something that they think looks good and bright. Dpe on how compressed they make it though Definitely. But like in general, like people don't know how to make good photos. That's fair. So it's easier to just give them a flat bright thing and be like, oh, okay, Yeah. Oh, David says I should have more shadows. I can hear. Turn it down now Now there's shadows. I wantanna make one more analogy. Yeah.. know You know a liive laugh love core stuff? Yes. Like that you'd buy at like Marshall's or Hs Home goodoods or any cheap Airbnb you've ever been in everyvery time. David, you came back with some heat this week. I'm sorry We're going after Airbnb. All I'm saying is like Actual interior designers would never use that. Interesting. I don't know. is this could be a whole. I'm trying I'm thinking of it as like, yeah, it's like lines on a graph. Like no taste is just no correlation at all. It's just a blob. But you're saying because they're being gravitated But people are gravitating towards something Yeah Yeah. So it's more than just not That f's like some weird universal constant but we all enjoy. I don't I mean yeah, you enjoy it until you realize how bad it is. Yeah, yeah. and then you're gravitated towards something else after that. Exactly. It's the first step. Maybe it's like a step Yeah, it is I think it is kind of a ladder. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway aste? The taste. I just I just don't understand why Google is positioning this as like a brand new like technological advancement thing. It's like it's literally just they hit the auto button which has existed for like twenty five years. Like I don't, Yeahah, but they're all A I know They allll have to sureure. I don't It's the artificial intelligence auto button. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird. Anyway, I just Go try out like like a Xiaomi phone or something and you will see what a good smartphone camera is. It just comes back to what we were saying before. Most of these it needs to smoke pretty. People just use these as tools. Like ye we care about getting a good picture. Most people want to capture the memory. Well, that's ironic because the number one seller of smartphones has always been the camera Yeah, but not because they want to post it on Instagram, because they want to look at it in twelve years and be like, look at what my nephew was doing. It is funny though, because these events are pointing towards people like us who are judging the cameras based on taking a nice photo. So for the people That's true. If that works for them aren't watching the Android show, the people who watch the Android show think this sucks. That's true. There There's a good amount of comments of people being like, ooh, tech reviewers are so out of touch. They always want this, that and the other But regular people just want like to zoom into fifty X and capture their on a stage garden being a pumpkin for Halloween. Like that's As long as you can get that and it's clear, it's like great. That's a win It's like a screwdriver, not a brush, you know? I think it's beyond like people not having taste. I just think most people don't think critically and don't care you know, about how things like look or feel. L rememember like You know, this is a country where we have about the same number of strip malls as schools. You know, like we're not thinking too deep about our surroundings. Yes. There's way more places that I could shop at. Why do we have this many schools? Yeah, Eactly. You know. O like, why should anyone need to like, you know, where my fourth home goes I haven't been to a school in forever. Only like ten percent of the population usees this school then I think there's more babies than not babies? Yeah, why do we have those things I read a stat last week that there's like a quarter of the amount of people, there's rats in New York City Like there's no quarter. yeah. Wait, what? Wait, hold on. I don't under saying' four times as many rats one quarter as many rats. Theres quarter of everyat One rat for every four people. There's one rat for every Yeah, one rat isn't that? That's like that's a lot of rat. Prettyice' O one rat for per four person people So there's a twenty five percent chance you have a rat following you. There's a twenty five percent chance you are a rat. All right, My face just comes up into red. Yeah. Anyway, I understand. These are tools and brighter people think is better. And it's the same reason why you know, Apple can be like, oh, we are using pixel binning now. And so it's the same it's like the same quality, even though they're getting less light per pixel. then Dumb dumb asses like me will be like, well, technically, the photo site is quite a bit smaller. and so the quality of the photo site is And my uncle or my I don't even have an uncle. My freaking I don't know. My grandma, she's dead. My mom My mom will be like I just want to zoom in at fifty X. Yeah. that's all she wants to do. Yeah. that yeah. like when we when we see Samsung's space Zoom And the first thing we do is go, h, fifty X photos look bad And then regular people see the commercial and they're like, finally, I can zoom in into fifty X and get that picture of that sign or that random stage performance for my kid that I was trying to get a picture. Exactly. Or like I'm in the crowd at the baseball game and I can zoom all the way in on their face for some reason. Yeah. That's fair. Like the default is going to be the one that most people use and then the specialized tools are in the marketplace of ideas That's fair. I do think Apple has a real opportunity to release like a pro camera app for themselves becausecause they're really getting their lunch eat and they have the opportunity to shherlock like never before So We'll see if that happens Anyway I thought I was going to have a generational crash out, so Well you told most people they have no taste. So I think Check, cheheck the button. Okay by most people, ye, I do mean most people. I mean noone listening to this though. everyone herear. All of you guys are good though Yeah. I'm gonna seem like it's such a this episode. Now we have to establish that we are better than the average person. Like by getting zero triview questions correct. If I threw a Fisbee, you'd probably think, o my God No, no, no. I was average judge and that's a Perfect analogy, actually because I know that you're not a frisbee player. Yeah. It's like a photographer judging a random person's photo. I'm not gonna judge you're a random person. I wouldn't judge a rand But another photographer. Right. Like if you were on a frisbee team, I would judge. That's the analogy. It can bite you in the ass man. There's so many warmups where I was like Is how that guy throws a hand. I'm gonna tool him and get whooped by them on the field later. I thought that about so many people that are now really good friends. fara crush me off. But that's analogy because Google is basically the other photographer and Sony And that's why we're we're like They should know better They should We're just disappinted We're not. I think in this analogy, Google makes the frisbee. We're so deep down this rabbit holeake becausecause it's just called an ultrraastar actually. Yeah. but I'm saying dis. The tool is supposed to be used differently Oh, so they made a bad product. So they made a disc that flies slightly differently and us pro throwers are like, o, this turns way too glass or this is like hanging in the air too long. but regular people are like, it floats forever. This is great. Yeah. See? That's good. So yeah, anyway, that's good. Let the tools do the tool thing. Okay. But there should always be pro tools Okay, I haven't experienced the dude soundboard yet. It's pretty good. Great Let, please And with that note and with that note. I think we should u take it We should take a quick break. Let the steam out of our ears a little bit, but before that, suubbscribe and Google IO next And before that and after that or somewhere bothose to trivia. Yeah, this is gonna be an episode, for sure It's a. It's already like twenty eight degrees in here I still can't remember waitit what was that it again. Can you do that again It's The waveform bros. Why did I say it last It's funny that I know that's Marked as becausecause I've heard that impression before, but like was I responding to something? Wh waveform bros? Was I imitating something? I don't know why I said that orr said it like that. You probably't remember I said it when we weren't here. No Hgh I was here for sure. And we also have this one That any of us Tod's question is Rachel Mimi, Robin and Shakira are all codeenames for what line of smartphones Robin means Iot a keyrider Sekira Sakira Sakira? Sakira Sakira. really know I don You make a man, w to spe? The hips Interesting Okaye Mar is. Well think about it. Shakira is so good. I have no idea about this. The Zop song. What do you think about this is like a smartphone whose code nameame was Shakira. It must be really groovy. Adam, look at this phone and tell me how groovy it is. Did you hear that Brazil was trying to like sue her for tax fraud? No, it was Spain Spraaine was trying to sue her for tax fraud. 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Framer dot com sllash wave, rz and restrictions may apply When I scraped my car in their parking garage, I was worried that it could be a long process to take care of it. like a landscaper's first day trimming a hedge made I have definitely already been here Now is it left, right or right left? , mayaybe I'll cut a path out and find my way back late. But it wasn't like that. I filed a claim in under two minutes on the GIio app, and they handled it from there. It was taken care of almost as quickly as it helped. It feels good to get help, quQick. It feels good to GIiCO. All right, welcome back. This past week was also Google IO. Now we did talk about the Android show the previous week, which was like Google took out all of the stuff that you might typically expect of IO's in the past, which is like Android updates, feature updates, auto, like the interesting exciting stuff that's going to hit consumers and that we can actually use and review. They took that out and made it a separate show week before IO. We talked all about that. So that what does that leave for IO That leavesemin a lot of Gemini cra. Now we know that IO is a developer conference and they have to talk to developers and they have to talk to the people on the bleeding edge of like using these you know tools, essentially, Gemini and all the other things that we're going to talk about, but I think as a whole, this IO, since it was devoid of the Android stuff, felt like an overwhelming amount. of especially named AI features And if there's one thing about Google, it's that they can't help Naming everything. E. Everything that they do. So we're going jump into it. We can try to explain a lot of this new stuff, how much of it you may end up using someday or how much of it is really technically advanced or cool. But I promise you, you will not be able to keep track of how many names there are. Yeah, I think that this IO was like the biggest example yet of the fact that Google is like three thousand companies in one Yeah, and that they just don't really communicate very much. because there's no cohesiveness or vision. It's just spamming. like it really does feel like there's nine different companies who each had three ideas to present and none of them talk to each other. And honestly, some of them step on each other. Totally. Like there's VO and then there's also Nana Banana. and then there's also this new thing that's going to generate images and videos. like why are there three? Yeah a real lack of visual strategy to what's happening. So we'll break it down. We'll show you what's new, but again, I promise. Google photos horrible. It's not just Google Ps. Google Pics. brand new product. Yeah, It's not Google phhotos or pictures. Yeah. But it will generate some of those. Yeah So I last night thoroughly watched this like three times to my own dismay. Oh my. I'm so sorry. In four X though probably. In two X. Okay. But's a little less bad. I tried to do four X and I just couldn't keep up. It's still three hours if you watched it three times The amount of times in the show where they said like I think they said, and we're just getting started. They said it hour And I was like, what? Don't you do this to me? Yeah, Well, the first time, to be fair, I listened to it in the car. And then I got home and I watched it again. Anyway, for some reason, they bounced back and forth between different products through the show. Like they would announce something like Omni and then later in the show they'd talk about Omni again, and then near the end they'd talk about Omni again And it felt like because they took everything out from the Android show, they had to like pad the time because Google Iio is always two hours sd I try to think who's a targetmraph of these presentations And maybe it's unfair compare to Apple But but like I think regular people watch a WWDC recap to see what interesting things are going to be happening. B bunch of my friends watch WW I don't even I'm not even going to make an IO recap because so much of this is either not going to come out or it's going to be dead in a year, or it's going to be really interesting and then it's going to get stepped on by some other updated Google product in like three months. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of very technically advanced stuff and impressive things that they got to demo How much of it will actually show up? Like the live docs feature is really cool Are they gonna to ship it? I don't know. Is it gonna last? I don't know. Yeah. It was a really cool demo, so we'll tell you about it. I was also very confused about who this was for because I was supposed to be for developers. And I feel like a lot of this wasn't even aimed at developers. It was like them showing off their dominance in web and search. And token usage. Yeah. Yeah, that was a weird flex.ult.ar was just flexing constantly about how many tokens they consume. and then at some point he was just like a salesman. And he was like, if your company used Gemini Fash four four point five it would save a billion. He would save a billion dollars. on that was like three hundred and seventy five people have used one trillion tokens. Bat. Which is such a weird also weird Flash three point five is more expensive. than three was. I think some of these three point one. So it's like yeah. Some of these things just felt like them saying, hey, we are the dominant AI company. Yeah see these big numbers? Yeah That's how you know. I will say it's interesting that it's a developer conference, but in the past years, they've had enough so that non developers, like people like us like the media can like really understand and digest and understand like how you can use this in the real world And this year was it didn't feel like it was for developers really, but because it was just products that were being announced, but none of the products were things that people would actually use So only a few of them. Or if you were like an like a real enthusiast who's like, I can't wait to deploy Gemini Spark to shop for me. whichs there's a tiny fraction of people who are like, hell, yeah, this is awesome. I can't wait for to monitor the price of jeans online to automatically buy six pairs from me when I hit certain price threshold. But like that's not most of us. Yeah. I remember like eight years ago at IO, we'd all sit around being like What are they gonna name the next Android? Yeah. And what's the big feature or two going be that they try to like show us is awesome? What's the Nexus phone that is gonna to be under our seat when we finish? When are we to delete that chainlink fence in front of the. Never. ye. So because they were hopping around so much throughout the show, I hadd originally just taken a ton of notes in like a linear fashion and then I decided to order them into main chunks So I have a models section. That's where you messed up. You should just ask Gemini to do it for you I wish won I did, I definite I did this for me. But then I went through and I like Yeahah, yeah, anyway Okay, so we have a model section, we have an agentic AI section, we have a retail section. We have an intelligent eyear section, which is like the glasses App and search overhaul section and then the little ending weird Dep mind thing where we're on the foothills of the singularity, apparently. Should we also save the intntelligent IWS section for the end for a? Sure Google did Sure could do They got to that like ninety minutes in Yeahah I. Yeah, which is crazy. Yeah. All right, well, we'll start with the models. New models obviously Gemini three point five flash. And there will be a three point five proro coming in a month apparently. I don't know why it's taken so long to roll that out. That's kind of weird. Google claims that flash is four times faster in output tokens per second than existing frontier models and outperforms Gemini three point one Pro on key benchmarks, which is impressive if that's true I want to be like the regular person translator for these. Yeah, do it. I think that that essentially would mean for the super quick queries that you're going to AI for that use flash. They will be really, really good because they their benchmark as well as Pro and they'll be really, really fast So you don't have to wait for it to type it out in several seconds of is I going even get this right? Ideally, it's way faster and way more accurate. Yeah Ideally. Yeah. To me, it also felt like Sundar was trying to get Enterprise to sign up to use Gemini as their weekend because Anthropic is currently making a. load of money on that. Yeah. Hey, do you make an app? Do you have like a thing that queries AI inside your app? Well, make sure it's Gemini Flash because it'll be the fastest best one, best experience for your app user. Yeah. It's rolled out already. Yeah, it's alreadyah, That's true. Yeah. They also demoed the Gemini Omni Wor model. So this one kind of confused me a little bit What it is good at specifically is simulated physics and real world reasoning to interpret combinations of text, audio images, and video to generate realistic, edible video environments. They gloated a lot about how the model can do everything, but said for now, it's only doing video And I'm like Okay It can do everything, but it can only do video. Yeah. so my translation of this is like, hey, have you ever wanted to make an ad generated video? but you wanted to use some inspiration from a photo and a video and some text that you wanted to describe some extra stuff in it and some other random thing you wanted to include Well, you can now just loop all of that stuff in. it'll be one prompt and Omni will turn it into something that includes all of that stuff which the irony of all this is that I think the hierarchy of usability and value in AI is like coding is number one Text generations is probably number two People like AI less and less the more you get towards video, right? Yeah, image generation, mostly bad, but you could use it for manipulation to make mmes of yourself for your. R bait misinformation is making a ton of money online. Y And But then video, like I don't really know anybody who is hyped for AI video in any possible way. Yeah, in general. I could even like think about a couple things I could use AI generated images for like visualizing like, hey, I've got this room. I want to visualize what this desk would look like in with this wallpaper behind it. Okay, AI can help me see what that looks like. R The video Brainstorming maybe, dont I don't feel like that's gonna be very useful. Yeah. And they really did a lot of AI videos. It's the heaviest Resource wise, like it's the most difficult to do. Yeah. And it's yeah yeah. Well sm me eating spaghetti. Yeah. It's getting better. And they specifically were like, it's multim modal. It can do everything. And I'm like, well, Gemini was already multimodal. so why do you need to call it Gemini Omni? Why didn't they just make an update to Gemini and say we can now do real world physics? Beause they need to name everything This is what we talked about. New Gemini Omni. The naming team needed a raisin. They went all out for. Yeah. Okay, so that's it for the models. There's new agentic AI updates. We have anntiravity twooto, which I know Adam was actually a little bit excited for. If you don't remember anntig Gravity was, it's basically their coding environment that has all these agentic features where you can, you know code inside of it and stuff U Yeah, a lot of people were confused because anti gravity two. zero is very much like the cllawed desktop app basically, or like CodeX I've heard. I haven't used Code, but similar to that, where it's just like a chat or whatever.. They still have the IDE So antig gravity was there IDE I don't know what got lost in translation. I don't know why they named the same thing. So this new thing now is antigravity that you talk to Gemini and it'll like do the things. But if you want to open up the code and look at it with a real proper file structure and everything, you need to also download the antigravity IDE, which is a completeess ever thing. and I don't know how much longer that's gonna be around' It' very confing. It looks, I know. It looked a lot like a general like a regular Gemini app Like, yeah, I It's strange. Anyway it's for developers. Wait, can I just sorry? Yeah, go for it So if you're using anti gravity two point zero to make something, but you want to make sure You want to look deeper, you have to open up antiravity? Well, so anti gravity if you tell it to build a thing, it will do it. And then it will be like you can click here to look at the code. and it'll pop up a little side window and preview like the actual code, you could scroll through it, whatever. But that's not typically how people build things. They have an editor for that So antigravity, I believe was It's very similar to VS code. whichich is a very popular one open like whatever. but that's a separate app entirely now I think it seems if you want to know if Do Google teams talk to each other, there's your proof they don't talk to each. It did feel to me like there's one tool for generating code with AI, and then there's another tool with a different name for auditing your AI generated code with another AI. But it sounds like they're the same name. But if ye. And then also like your regular code. so you can audit all of your code with AI. All the AI coding sometimes make mistakes. So you need someone or something to another agent so another agent can audit your code. And if that's not confusing enough, there's also the antig gravity CLI now, which is another terminal tool that is replacing the Gemini CLI, which was open source and now it's not open source So now you can control all of your agents all in one in the terminal But you have to use their their proprietary that's also' called the antigravity. And that's also called anntigravity. The antigravity CLI Yeah, it's going great. Even if I was a developer, I would be really confused. Do you think anyone's showed up to their first day at work at Google and they're like, I'm on the anti gravity team and they went to the wrong building. It's like in school when you sit in theong classroom and twenty minutes in they're reading the syllus and're like Do I get up leave or do I haveave before for sure? Its like I get that they all do slightly different things, but they should be one thing that of cohesive. Yeah shock. Well, and the irony of all of this is the general Gemini app can basically do all of this stuff too. Like yeah. I've even like used the Caod app on my Mac. And I've like updated my website with features and stuff through Claud and You can just do it through the chat. You don't even have to use clouog code But there is a cloud code. Yeah. So it it's like They make all of these sub products that are moreore optimized for the main thing, but the main model can still do all of the things, probablyb to like some ninety something percentile Yeah of the specialized tool. Yeah Yeah I don't know. Well, they were very excited about antig Gravity two auto. They built an operating system from scratch. plugged into everything. Like they were showing Google search things that were building stuff with antigravity. Yes, all this stuff, Which we will get to. But yeah, they built this operating system. They said it deployed ninety two subagents over twelve hours to build an OS And that it cost less than one thousand dollars in API credits. Wow. What use this has, Who needs to build operating systems? I'm not sure But I guess it was more of the scientists were more interested if they could, not if they should.act situation. Yeah. And then they ran doom on it. It could run doom, yeah. So look, we're relatable. Yeah, relatable Okay, Gemini Spark. This is basically Google's answer to open cllaw It's a twenty fourty seven cloud based personal AI agent that runs continuously in the background It can actively parse your data to give you daily digests, like a child's school emails for deadlines, monitoring your credit card statements, et cetera Um rolling out to trusted testers this week and rolling out to a new one hundred dollar one A ultraplant. So this is the other thing that they have multiple the same name for multiple things They now have Three AI ultra plans prices At three different prices that are not called like AI ultra plus or AI ultra ultra. They're just AI ultra, but there's the hundred dollar one, There's the two now two hundred dollarars one down from two hundred fifty And then they have the crazy one, I think unless it's just turnun it over it anyway. So the way I'm thinking about this one for regular people the open cloth thing. that Yeah spark. Yeah. Like if you think about using AI as I do prompt, then AI does thing. then I do prompt again, then AI does adjustment. then I add prompt again, and it's like a back and forth thing Yeah The idea of an agent is it's able to go and do multiple things. It has its own agency. It has like the ability to do multiple things over time or in a row or to go execute something for you without you having to prompt over and over again I did find this decently useful and like and this is an example that'll come up again of like I want to monitor when this thing drops below a certain price, but you'll have to check the market for listings of it over and over again. Let's do this every twelve hours for the next couple of weeks until we find one that hits the certain price That's what the agent would do it would just go, Hey, I searched again, hereere's the results. Hey, I searched again. hereere's the one that actually hit your price threshold. Yeah. So it instead of you searching over and over through the agent, it does it with agency. Yeah Yeah, and like bark All of these AI companies have come up with sort of an open clad competitor. like Claud now has one that can do it for you. One of my friends, they lost a bunch of data on their hard drive, and so they were using a recovery tool, but the recovery tool estimated like hundred hours to like recover the data. So he set it up so that the agent would check his computer and check on the progress of it like every on one day and send him an update So there are like some uses there. I will say the daily digest I'm actually pretty excited about because I've been getting like the beta one that gets like emailed to you in the morning. So bad. Really? I found it pretty helpful. I like the formatting of it, but the contents of it are useless to me. Oh, mine is the opposite. I hate the formatting of it. Really I've actually found a couple subscriptions that were like, oh yeah, I do have to cancel that free trial. you know It reminds you of things like that. I think potentially I've connected it to too many services because it'll just be filled up with like A bunch of people left comments on your Google Docs, and I'm like, I already know that. Like I haven't marked them as resolved because I need to read them later. And so it's just telling me a bunch of things I already knew. It's like, here's what's on your calendar? Well, yeah I got a notification. calend the calendar notifies me.. But yeah, maybe I can fine tune it a little bit. Yeah. It's fine. It's totally worth a trillion dollars of investment. Why don't you get an agent to fine tune it I'll deploy Gemini Spark. Depploy ninetiney two eight to fine tuner. That's coming to the Mac desktop app later this summer for local file automation It'll be able to like actually touch your computer 'cause right now it can only do things like on the web Okay, three is retail. This is a group a grouped thing for universal Cart and AP two. So this universal Cart thing is kind of interesting. clelearly Google has been trying to make Google shopping happen for like Twelve years now, fifteen years now where they just they really, really see all the money that Amazon's making and they're like, we could have some of that. They want to be a trusted retailer so bad. So bad So and then they saw what TikTok was doing with TikTok shop. And so now if you look at YouTube And you go to like, you know anybody's YouTube video that has a product placement they now have right below the video, like you can buy this and you can click on it. You can go to it and buy it, whatever Probably not enough people use that that they want to use it. So they created this thing called universal cart which basically across Goo Google search, Gemini, YouTube and Gmail. You can add things to your cart, you can click on a thing and say you're interested in it, but when it drops below a certain price, you're kind of interested in it and it connects to your Google wallet So Now as well, if it knows like that you have a certain credit card and that certain credit card gets certain cashback at certain stores, it will be like, oh, when you go to pay for this, you should use your target card because it's at target and you get five percent off at target or something like that. you get cashback, whatever Um, I really, really think Google is just trying to find more revenue sources because by making Gemini and making all this automation stuff, they are taking away from search So they just They're slowly trying to they're like, we're going to get ahead in the AI thing, even though it's taking away for our main business, but we need to figure out ways to make money from it if we're going to own it. Yeah. Yeah So it's kind of interesting, but I remember seeing the study where there was a bunch of they tested a bunch of these different models A How good is it at actually suggesting me like the right flights, the right hotel reservations, whatever, if you were just to say like make me this trip, classic. And like ninety percent of the time it gave the users like One of the more expensive options for the hotel, for the flight, all these things. That so classic And so Google can now go to you know retailers and advertisers and they can say, hey, look, we can slowly sort of like suggest these products towards these users And kind of the overall the overarching theme for IO this year is just like Trust us more and more and more, bro. Which makes me trust you less and less and less. Yeah. Yeah. becausecause all I see with all of this is, I think you guys mentioned on epode I wasn't here is like the new version of SEO because all of this is just going to lead into a different way that big companies can pay to be better results inside of AI. Exactly. That is one thousand percent where it's going no matter what you say. That's how it's going to work That's how people are going to make money on it. Google is just like, oh, just don't make your own decisions. Like let AI make all the decisions for you. and then they're going to advertisers and they're saying, now that everyone just trusts us, we can just suggest your products. Yeah. They don't even It points pretty directly to the direct trade off between privacy and convenience because and this is also a shout out to Joanna's book, which will you'll hear about that probably on an upcoming bonus episode, but like if you just give your life to the AI. You just go, all right, you know everything about me, Google. It's kind of a privacy nightmare, but you have everything about me now That is the best case scenario for actually getting the results that are most applicable to you. And so when you ask for it, yes, it will be skewed, but it willll be skewed based on what it knows about you. and theoretically it'll give you better products to buy or more useful suggestions or se to you. It knows about your car, your house or whatever already And so if you do decide to just give it all to the AI, that will be your win. But Not everybody wants to do that. And obviously that's the trade offff that they're trying to convince you to make. It's why a lot of people like keep the Instagram ad tracking on because they'll say like, oh, I actually like it because it gives me relevant products. and I'd rather have relevant products than, you know, turn it off. The lingerie that I get. There's literally no reason to have that on. Wrong? I've gotten so many products. People want to get as you. Yeah told you I told you, there's a device. S people actually do wantan to buy stuff from Instagram. It's not that I want to buy stuff from Instagram,'s that it shows brands from smaller brands, like that aren't just like Amazon or Sheen. You know, I find actual stores from Brooklyn or something because they're using targeted ads. It's good for small businesses. It's bad for me, but it's good for small businesses That That's Facebook. Bad argument, bad take, bad argument. Do not turn on app tracking for the sake of helping small businesses. That is ridiculous. That was turn it on if helping small businesses by letting one of the largest companies in the world sell your data. Are you serious, bro? else are you gonna find? The small business has been spending money desperately trying to find good customers. And this is the way they are I'm not accepting any of these. I only mean myers Jery, I sold it. I know a few people who like use meta advertising and they're literally like, you put in ten dollars and thirty dollars pops out So Clearly it works. There's a lot of sh wrong with Meta, but that product is a money found. There's a reason Meta is a giant giant giant corporation. And that like everyone uses it. I don't think that you know, only small business, whatever. But if you are a small business and you put ten dollars and then thirty dollars pops out, Unrelated andreated. They're doing a ton of layoffs today. So clearly this is not great timing for any of this medicine They laid off like two thousand people. again Yeah thousand ye. Oh my Godd. Okaykay. well, that's great. Yeah, Okay. The other thing in retail is there is now this thing called AP two, which is agent payments protocol. And basically, Google is scared that the agents are gonna hallucinate with your credit card information That's what they are terrified about. because they, you know, they they want you to be able to tell your agent like Oh, if this brand like if this shirt from this brand goes on sale, can you just buy it for me? whichich is kind of crazy to think about. like that something could just aentically like shop shop for you without you having like discrete input. Yeah. It's kind of close to what someone, so like an ultra rich person who has like a personal assistant. Yeah. they'd be like, I mean, you'd be too rich to do this, but you'd be like when it hits a certain price Just buy it for me. Right? We don't have personal assistants, but it's like, oh yeh, not my phone is a personal assistant. I'll just have it wait on something for me and it has infinite capability of waiting and finding the right thing. And then it just does it. It's the weird thing of AI where it's like, that is a totally reasonable thing to ask, but at the same time, weird robot internet has my credit card number. Like I bothoth of these things are true and I'm terrified Well it's kind of the next st, do you remember Amazon dash buttons? Yes. ye. Yeah. So for the young the young inss out there, Amazon used to like give you for five dollars, you could buy this Amazon dash button and then they give you five dollar credit And it was a button that you could assign to any product on Amazon. So when you hit it, it ordered it for you. It was like If you put it by where you keep your paper towels. like something that you restock a lot on. So every time my paper tows are almost off, I just press it, they're gonna come to my door. Tide pods. Yes. Tide pods. So like what Samsung and all these companies have wan to do forever is put cameras in your fridge so it automatically does this for you, right? That's like Beuse these companies they're like, oh, if people bought things as soon as they ran out of them every single time and they bought the same thing over and over and over again, we could make more money because that's more purchases per hour. rightight? So that's what Google's trying to do here. They're trying to make it like, oh 'causeuse all these ad companies, the main problem that they have with like the Facebook pixel, all this stuff They they see that you're interested in something because you interacted with it but actually getting you to make that payment and actually go through with the purchase is the hardest part of the whole thing. Yeah. And so Google's like Well, what would it take for you to buy this? Would it frictionless as possible. Would it take a twenty dollars discount? What if it got to a twenty dollarars discount? wouldould you definitely buy it? Can I just do it for you? L? So that's that's a really good point. I feel like there's so many times where I have something in my carart and I almost buy it and I's like, No, not right now But the there's way less commitment of being like, well, you know, like if you found this thing later and then it's just going to show up at my door. Yeah. Like chances are, if that's what I was thinking in my head, I would go back to that in two weeks, probably get to the same point and be like Yeah, exactly.oogle's trying to get past the you don't really need this. And that's something that meta doesn't have because the only thing meteta really has is when you like hover over something for too long, it'll just keep showing you the ad like more and more often, you know? Yeah. Anyway, this agent payments protocol, it's basically just a protocol that's helping agents shop for you, but making sure that they don't pass any weird boundaries and buy things that you don't want Um, I think this is kind of just security for them to get advertisers to actually advertise with them and for them to be like, don't worry, we won't users return a ton of stuff. this has the bos potential to really screw up some smaller businesses who might have a bunch of accidental purchases that then have to be returned and maybe can't be put back on shelves or have like yeah lots of accidental accccidental purchases could create waste and kind of screw over a small warehouse. Yeah, because if you have returns and then it's worth nothing and yeah, so it's whole thing All right, number four, app and search overhauls Um Search AI mode got an upgrade to Gemini three point five. Queries that are at an all time high because users are now treating search like a conversational partner, apparently Alleg Allegedly. U Sundar did say that like now people are putting more natural language into Google search, which I have actually found myself doing Because it used to be that we knew the language of SEO. Everybody under a certain age grew up learning how to Google something. Yeah, whether you had a class in it, or you learned some internet literacy somewhere or from someone you know. So you have to know what words to type into Google to find what you're looking for. and then also like how to exclude certain phrases or like put things in quotes to find like things together at the end. That's like that's like a skill that we all learned that under a certain age, people have not had to learn that because they either just go straight to an AI agent or an AI and just type it in natural language and it finds it for them And so now yeah, there's this like blurred line of people who grew up not learning how to Google things, but then they just use natural language in Google. and it kind of works. It kind of works AI mode anyway. Yeah it's fine. It didn't used to work at all and now you can do that and it'll automatically do AI mode and you can just keep talking to it Yeah. Aecdotally speaking, I've been using that a lot more just because the regular SEL speak that I grew up using doesn't work anymore That's true. So I've just like trying to get something. so I'm like, okay, let me just ask it the way I would normally ask something. Yeah. What's crazy now though, is that Google seearch now has dynamic layouts, which can code custom visuals for you on the fly And it can also build shareable mini apps like a weekend planner itinerary. So How this was shown off was basically, I think it was Josh Woodward that did this They was like, Oh, I want to do like this weekend thing with my kids and my wife, but I'm not really sure what to do. L can you suggest me things to do? And so it buildus this little mini app inside of the Google search window that shows the weather, it shows like suggested locations, it shows like dinner places they can go to and stuff like that. And you can talk to Google search to sort of modify it and it will change the code of the app in real time. and you can share that with whoever Um Which a part of this, for me, I was like, man, people really want to offload every decision they've ever had I just like the idea of Then your like wife com over you're like, o, do you figure out what we're gonna to do this weekend? No, not yet, but check out this app that's trying to figure out what we're gonna do. It's like if you have a dog and like your dog is like can't stop throwing up. And so you take your dog to the vet and then you come to pick it up later and you're like, so is my dog gonna to keep throwing up? Did you fix that? The vet's like, I didn'tix that but your dog is literally a transformer now. It's like this I still about the co shinies first is. That's how I feel about Google search. Yeah Yeah, it's strange. I've Google searched so many things during this show And the AI review has been wrong about every single one of them. And I'm just like, I'm so sick of this. Please do not build me apps Please just serve me relevant information. Yeah. I mean, it's funny that we Remember when they added in the suggested snippets where it would like give you the answer within Google search, and people freaked out because they're like, peopleople aren't going to the links any if you do this. peoplee won't go to the links. And now they're like If a kid searches, how does a black hole work? it'll just generate an animation on the fly of a black hole colliding with another black hole. Yeah. Which is on one hand one hand, it's way worse the all of the sources don't get any traffic. All of the people who worked really hard on all the information research that made that possible don't get any credit. Yeah. But on the other hand It's kid just got an instant like animation. Explainer If it's right if it's correct.'s correct. That also confused me though, because they said they would build it every time on the fly. Yeah. Yeah. There has to be some sort of like that's a pretty normal question. Well, it's based on your specific query. But like let's say your query is how does a black hole work Yeah There's more than one one person searching that every day. Like why are you rebuilding that every time? That has to be wasteful. Like we're not just I think came that That's probably true but there's such a long tale of unique Google searches every single day. I think what they're thinking is in such a specific query, which is like how what would it look like of a black hole the size of peeanut collided with Manhattan. and it's like, boom, here's a simulation of that Which I don't know, maybe three people Google that every day. I don't know, how many people say that, but there's like a ton of unique versions of that question that it can build a tailored animation just to help you with. Beacause they have TPUs. I've been trying to Google what is the largest US data center by power consumption, like by megawatts. And it gave me a list, right? which seems like it's fine The top five answers are hallucinations on the list. So it's just like, what's the point of this? I think if these are more in like longer, well established, like if this is something I found too. like when you ask questions to Google about like current events or recent information or recently updated things, it gets it wrong all of the time. Yeah. But if you ask us something about like a ten year old science theory or like like an animal that everyone's been writing books about or something that's not like current events are brand new. then you'll get stuff that's pretty locks like locked in. Rck solid. Right. Yeah It's the black hole stuff. Yeah, it is strange. It feels like Google searches, they're kind of just trying to nudge people towards process of using a Gemini search chat, like a Gemini chat as opposed to searching things anyway. U Okay, Google AI Studio. Now you can build full Android apps from scratch with a prompt And you can publish them directly to the Play store, which means we're going to get a lot of slop apps that are ts. Here they come. So many. Next I don want to brag about how many new apps were created This is So bad Like they should not let you publish this at a play store. Well, yeah, well they need a bar of being approved 'cause Google has a famously lower bar of being approved. Apple would' be like, oh, yeah, you can use code to make apps, but it's not like I hit a button it generates an app from scratch and then I submit it and it's in the store. Yeah. Like there's at least some threshold or quality. Yeah does that mean they're gonna have to hire like fifty times as many approvers Yeah Yeah, yes, it does have a Yeah, it just have one Oh true. play their own. That's true. Heyem, is this good enough? You made it. Also I tried this yesterday and it did not work Really Yeah. I mean, theity on your Android phone is not out yet but they have like a web version of the AI stududio thing and it just like wasn't doing the thing. Cool. What was the app you tried to make? U I forgot. Wait, let me look at it up. The people really have this many app ideas all the time. Well, okay, well m That is what I want. Db idea. Well Yeah I can't even think of a cool dumb idea right now I think that what a lot of people might do in the future is like there are a lot of apps that are paywalled And if you're just like, I want a calorie tracker app So stealing Yeah. That's what all this is. It's all stealing. ste. It's all ste people want. A lot of people want apps that are specifically tailored to them. So like there's a bunch of generic versions of apps that do something I won't say his name, but I have a teammate who's like I want an app that can like tell me specifically if I need to wear sunscreen today and all it does is intake like how long I'm going to be outside, what the weather is, what my skin tone is and all these other things. And so just like there's no app that does that. So just build me the app and then I'll just do it for you. where you could probably find an app that does like two thirds of what you're asking, but 's too many features Is the developer going do the extra feature you want? I don't know. So just it's or maybe you want a task manager app. And there's a certain feature. Oh, I just want it to be like this, but also with this extra reminder thing, where it's geo tagged and it reminds me do something when I get to a certain place. Whatever. I want an app just for me then this is your way of making an app just for you. So like why put it on the Play store? I don't know. Yeah. but that's why I see people making apps. Yeah Adam made us local frame IO. That's just like video player, bigig clock comments, export comments as CSV. It's perfect. That's something that just for us, we would use it We would never put it on the store or whatever, but like it's useful. I mean, one thing that's cool about this too, is that you can export the app and send it to just friends and family without putting on the Play store So I think that's a sort of interesting idea of making like family apps or friends apps Yeah and stuff like that. O a group chats no bubles W can we do group in Turn the bubbles I found my app idea from yesterday. And it also this is a late episode didid they even test this because this goes back to an issue I've been having So on Fitbit, they have meditation minutes. And if you try to meditate for ten minutes with a pixel watch It'll vibrate on your wrists for the entire ten minutes so that you know to breathe along with it. It's like, breathe in M Breathe out This Like they got way too cute with it. I just want a timer that will vibrate at the end of ten minutes to let me know you're done tanks the battery live too. Probably. But they don't have that. So I tried to have AI stududio build it for me and instead it built me an interactive dashboard where I can play with a fake Pixel Wash three. Which is is really impressive. I' not used to it all. Build a timer. You said Build a ten minute timer. and it said ye What? I think Be I said for my Pixel watchatch three, it freaked out and it built a whole other thing. So we might be ono something though with the group fitness challenges. Can we finally have Our own group fitness ch. This is something we've wanted. Well, I think we should this is the perfect ideal for us we should be able to build a multi platform group fitness challenges app. that in our studio, we can distribute it among us and we can use whatever wearable we want. Yeah It'll normalize all of our stats calies Now that's I will look in your code. I will inspect your code with my agent. should find out if you're cheating. Agent, look at his code. Yeah. P reiew annti gravity, Look at his anti gravity. Peer reviewed Uh, okay. Google Pigs We referenced this at the beginning. What a transition. Can you stop Google? C you can you stop? Google photos, Google Picks, Google images. They literally they showed the slide. They're like, this is Google Picks. And I was like, Are you sure you want to answer?. Why are you doing this? This is a new text and hover image editing tool Basically, it's sort of similar to we talked about Google Books a little bit last week, how you can sort of like hover the mouse cursor over things and it sort of intelligently knows what you want to do with it. That's not Google Books. That's the Google book. That's theoole right? because Google books Gooooks Yeah compers with Google books Yeah. Googleookooks Kindle. Yeahah, that's Kindle thing Yeah. That's books on the Google Play Store. Google Books is the online literature database. That's Google.'s playay books. Yeah, no, no, Google Play Books is the is the Kindle. Isn't the online database literature thing like That's called Google Books, Is it? Yeah Then there's also Google schcholar. Scholar. That's what I was say. Google S scholarars is also different. That's another thing. That's all the papers and research and PDF's. is this is untenable. Do know? It's called Google Get. Anyway, so it's this text and hover image editing tool. Basically you take an image in and you can say like Zoom out and it'll like add extra's a photo editor. It's a photo editor. Why is it separate from Why is it separate from Jemini? Yeah. This is my question about every sequ of these Imen is a Google deeep mind product. They're on Imigen four now. Yeah. is I sorry I was making another As you said, you can take an imageen and I was Oh, immagen is which is true. Imagen is actually a separate Google product. Yes. cororrect. But yeet, but . See why? do they have fifty of these? Why is this not in Google Photos? Why don't they That's the first as we were watching it, I was like, so is this going to be built into Google photos orr is this separate? a Google pix is separate from Google Photos, which is separate from. Or literally they can just say, Jem and I can now do this other thing now Yeah I don't understand Why are they spinning them off into a ton of different products? This team is in a different building. Oh, I mean, last year at IO, they they announced this big product and they sunset it last month. Like I bet you within a year, eighty percent of these are going to be shut down. Yeah. actually that. The people who make the Google logos are just like finally finished my backlog and then they look at the just twenty five new names that pops out of Google IO. They're like, Oh my. They go to Thosaurus and they look at phhoto and they're like, what other products? just for every single Thsaurus. Okay U Okay, they have Google Stitch and Google Flow Now they already had these, I guess, but they're updated. Stitch was a website builder and now it's updated and Yeah, it can build you websites in real time. And then Google Flow allows creators to edit sixteen video scenes simultaneously, but there's also Google Flow music which can takes like they gave it an example of they played a piano riff and the guy was like, what would this piano riff sound like if there was a bass guitar and a singer It was insane. It was just another insane demo that somehow has a name and a product. Yeah. like which you should just be able to put the audio clip in Gemini and say do this. Yeah. We're gonna do the in IO where they kept cutting to the audience and I've never seen Oh a group of people who were more bored. Like the amount of just looking down at phones that happened by minute ninety. It was rough. It was really funny. Yeah. I meant to bring that up. They kept cutting to the audience like every thirty seconds. and the first twenty minutes of the show, they were cheering for stuff and they were pretty pumped and Sundar would be like, and a trillion tokens and they'd be like, wow, by minute seventy They would have like pause for applause on the teleprompter you could tell and it would just be a few seconds of silence and then And then they would just move on and you'd cut to the crowd and they'd be like on their phones trying to figure out what's going on. There was one point where the presenter said, and you can clap for this.. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's painful All right, basasically last thing, oh no, because we'll get to the glasses, but last thing here with the app and search overhauls, syynth ID and CTPA. You don't know what C twoPA is, It's content credentials. We made a dedicated video on the studio channel about it that is also tied in with an M eleven P video. You can go watch that if you want to know more about it But syynth ID is Google's AI watermarking feature where basically every E piece of AI generated content that they make has like an invisible watermark in the metadata that other AI can well that previously only Gemini could read and it would tell you whether or not something was AI. They're expanding that significantly to basically every company, which is really good. Like that's something that's very important It's very ironic that they're creating the exact thing that you now have to check There was There was a part where I think it was Sundar was like Only one in four people can tell when a piece of content is AI generated. And that's why we made like made synth ID. It has like the same shades of like We've made this smartphone extremely like addictive And so we have this digital wellbeing feature that you can use to use your phone less. So like, oh yeah, we've made this AI generated content extremely realistic So so now we've developed another AI to help you decide if it's real or not.. I think a perfect example of what we talked about before is like The problem with this is we created a tool that can spread a ton of misinformation, but also the tool that can prove is misinformation. The problem is is the ten million people who saw the misinformation hundred thousand of them might see the watermark The Sony that you said before that had thirteen million views. The follow up tweet that explained it a little more had three hundred thousand views. L peopleeople aren't looking for the update. They're reading the title, watching the image, seeing the video, and now that is fact And to be clear It's always in the context. So this is it's not a visible watermark. It's basically buried in an invisible form so that when you scroll past this on your feed, you aren't thinking, oh, let me go drag this and check this to see if it's AI or not. Yeah. When you just see it in your feed randomly, you're not in the context of like thinking, is this AI or not So it just doesn't get checked, whichich is why and this is the first time I'm ever saying this and the last time I will ever say it. Meta actually had a good idea. and on Instagram, they put the AI info thing, although AIFO is terrible verbiage and they should just have edited with AI or modified with AI or generated with AI But that was up because if you used Photoshop at all, it would say AI info, which is all broken. But the platforms themselves need to support syynthID. Another rare statement to Twitter's credit. Now this where it gets weird. They tried to implement this thing where it auto detects if the image you're attaching is made with AI or not. And if it is, then it it adds a little tag so that in the feed as you're scrolling, you don't have to think about it, it'll just say made with AI Yeah Unfortunately, there's aon of false positives and uploaded images that are not made with AI, that it just tags them is made with AI. Yeah. So I'm not sure how it's reading that, If it's just trying to look at the image and decide or if it's using CTPA or some combination of that. I don't know, but there's a ton of false positives. It needs to go a step further to bandwagon off that. It can't just be like accurate reliable synth ID usage. it needs to be like And it can't be like a black box because when you have these platforms that are acting as publishers, if Hypothetically, there's a politician that the owner of Twitter does not like. There's nothing stopping them from just slapping the AI generated label on all of. Or the other way around on there something is AI generated. Yeah they do like taking it away. Yeah. The only reason it has to be a black box is because of bad actors. outside bors who want to abuse and show things on the feed and get through the algorithm without the tag. Well, that's why C twoPA has a trail that you can actually follow. Like when something has content credentials on it and you pull it into like the content credentials checker thing, it shows you every edit that's been added and when that edit happened But I don't think that Synth ID has that. It just shows it just tells you if it's been made with A or not But either way, it is really good that a ton of services are picking up on syynth ID. It's just very ironic that it's basically like Google's like, look at all this slop that you can make and trick people. And then there's also they had a bunch of influencers like bake digital twins of themselves with Jeemvenini Omni. I did not like that. It was so. Weird Like they had a Disney adult U basically talking about her favorite Disney land foods and then they had her climbing a rock And it was just very it was very like It was just creepy and weird. and We shouldn't do that Slop generators. Before we move on away from AI products andwards I can't witntil we move I just want to say I think I think we're going to see a lot more of this over the next year because There's so much like circular money in the AI space and there's so much money committed to these these data centers. I did finally find a list and the most important number is that like right now in the US, we have about eighteen een gigawatts operational. In the next like ten years, we're planning on building three hundred and thirty four gigawatts For perspective, one gigawatt is about as much as a large nuclear power plant produces And so like all of the companies like burning through these tokens for a large part are doing this on like subsidized money because compomanies like NVvidia funding these startups that are then buying tokens with the Nvidia money. So all the companies like Google are starting to What do they say? like their' declarations of intent to like spend all this money on data centers. They need to find customers that they are not paying And like fast. becausecause otherwise like the dates, these starting construction dates are going to start coming around and they're not going to have the cash flow to again build hundreds of tes of the electricity, you know, like I mean, openp AI in particular, right? Like they have basically said like, oh yeah, like our numbers don't make sense, but next quarter we're gonna add three hundred fifty billion new users. Yeah, so we're gonna to see just like that tons and tons and tons of like these these AI product cases and just like a desperate attempt of like, hey, can you please Please buy some tokens that we didn't pay you to buy. Right. If you guys ever heard of the term Ponzi scheme Sems Reiliar right now. Yeah. It just the problem right now is they're building so much infrastructure, but they just are not seeing the demand And they're having a lot of demand. And they're saying, oh, like look at all this demand. We need to build the infrastructure, But they're building so much infrastructure because they say the demand is going to scale to that within the next ten years, but the numbers are not showing that it actually is going to. And that's why Gemini is getting put in every single product because it creates demand that people didn't ask for usage That's what I mean. Yeah, ye artificial demand. Getting rid of the thing you're actually using and replacing it with the AI overview and then being like, look at all the people that are using AI overview. Yeah. they actually clearly did that on stage where they were like, yeah, we've never had as many people using AI mode in Google search. It's because it' mostly been using it by accident actually. Well, that' like automatically AI modees for you So Obviously, we have a lot of usage. This year this year, we've seen a record number of people fall down the stairs. Coincidentally, we removed all handils. Yeah. It's Alison Johnson wrote a really good piece of the Vverge right before Google IO about how Gemini is getting way too close to being like in your face a little too much. Like at first, it was like, oh I can use Gemini for that, but now that they've put Gemini in every single Google product, it's a search box. The logo is everywhere it's like, you want to do withemin? You want to do with Gemin? you want tona have Gemin.ude opening a Google doc, it just like surrounds your doc. There's somethinghing at the bottom of our page right now I've never seen before. It's a new little toolbar. Everybody changes you want to make. It tries to like edit your document for you. There's the Gemini logo in the top right whereere you can do the same thing Dude, If you open Google Docs, it's just like They are really trying to use like as much AI as posible. It's in the top right corner, it's in the bottom corner. Because they have to glow about how much people are using Gemini at the next Google AO Yeah,'s their whole thing. Yeah Anyway, okay, we're going to talk about the smart glasses now. Yeahes, so we can talk about the glasses. The last bit really with the glasses is they saved it for near the end, but they unveiled that they would have What they called audio glasses. Yeah. but it's essentially the same product as Meta's Raybands, but with Google's AI and Gemini instead. Yeah. So with Warby Parker, I think, and Gentle Monster, they have like these two form factors of these glasses with cameras on the front, with speakers, with microphones, with a compute on them, and you can talk to Gemini, which of course is s linked with your phone and can do a bunch of things like deploying agents and all that fun stuff that they talked about through the whole keynote. You can do all of that with just wearing the glasses. Yeah So ye I don't know why they're called audio glasses, maybe because because now they're gonna to have audio to have the scre. Yeah. So audio is the main way that you're interacting with Gemini since there is no display. They will for sure at some point have a monocular and binocular version of like a display glasses. mayaybe that's what they're called them. Inead nextxt year. So that'll be coming. Visual glasses. Yeah. But yeah, are these are the audio glasses and they are I guess in collab with Samsung and where OS. where Android X Android XR Yeah. Yeah. Gemin.. They had some cool demos actually though. they had the lady come out and she was she had the glasses on and she was like Hey, can you direct me to that place that I went with Allison last week? and it knows exactly where that was? And I think that's kind of cool. And then it's like, do you want to stop for your cold brew on the way that you usually get? which I thought was kind of interesting. And again Making more money for the advertiser. Every is like How do I get your credit card information? How do I prom Google is a phishing scam at this point. Like just everything they do just wants to me They want my credit card information. Yeah For sure. Yeah. And then as she's like or in there it's like She's like, oy, can can you order it for me? So it's ready when I get there? And then agentically uses her phone and like taps through the things and uses Doorash to like order it for her. which I was like, I guess nobody's gonna to be talking to the Breezos anymore. It's like what happened with Starbucks. when Starbucks introduced their app. and it's like Tons of people be waiting in line and then people would just come in and get their coffee because they had to prioritize the mobile orders because it was a new feature that they needed people to use. And it was probably most of their business. It probably still is most of their business. Yeah. I feel like we had it. We had that happen to us, remember? I don't remember where we were. Yeah I remember some event where we were at the front of the line for a solid five minutes and no Barista talked to us or even acknowledged us as they just went back and forth making mobile orders. Yeah. And people walked in, pick up the food and we were at the front of the line for like a several minute order in the store Yeah. I'm so tired of everything drive through Are you using the app today? I would tell you if I was using the app today, please just take my orderers. I don't know why it has to be every single time. I forget that they have apps for fast food now. that's great. Which is fine. I think that's like I don't have a I don't use them, but I don't have a problem with them. You don't You could just say hello I use sum ups But the drive should first say we're getting we're now. What can I get for you? just how are you today? And then I could say, oh, I have an order on the app. Yeah give you a few. Yeah. Something I don't think that Google is quite prepared for is so there's a lot of negativity around the metaglasses, you know, because people in general hate AI People especially hate being filmed without their consent. That's the main thing. and then stuff being put online about it. And I've seen there's clips of people who are like People are like, hey Are those medical glasses are you recording me now orre you bl bl And Google basically went through this with Google Glass one point zero because they didn't put a recording indicator on the front. I really, really, really hope that they're dictating that every Android XR glass device needs to have a recording indicator. They didn't talk much about it. They didn't. It's got to. I hope so. But I just am a little bit worried that the more because right now there's basically the metaglasses and that's basically it. There's like some other smart glasses, but at altern ones Yeah, but like nobody buys those So I'm a little concerned that like once because the Android ecosystem of smmart gllasses, which will be a ton of companies at some point, once those come out Everyone's going to be like, am I being recorded right now all the time? Right 'cause at least when someone picks up their phone and records you It's obvious to you. Yeah. but the amount of unwanted recording is going to go way up and the sentiment around AI glasses is going to go way down I wonder if, I mean, I don't know if they would do this, but I wonder if it's possible for Google to add some sort of re a hardware requirement ass I think takes arees. So it's like If you want to use Android XR, you must have insert minimum resolution here, insert red ceraas here, insert like indicator recording light Yeah. that would be neat Yeah I hope so. That should be Also, when the glasses are recording when you didn't ask them to. An time turn. Anytime that sensor is detecting light, period light should which is something that Feels obvious. Pixels do, right? O or is it Androids do where like you can have the indicator, come on that. Any single time that the microphone or the camera is turned on, there is an indicator in your status yet. Yeah. That's an Android feature. So I hope Android XR has that as well. Yeah, yeah. Weirdly enough, like when Metadow released the Raybands and they were trying to get you to use the AI features and like literally nobody uses them I always thought that the AA stuff was stupid But that's mostly because I don't trust meta and I don't trust meta AI. But because you use Google all the time I actually see a lot of use cases where I have a thought about because I take photos about things and then search them all the time. So being able to do that and knowing that it's Google on the backke end, I feel a lot more confident in it So I would actually probably use this type of product a lot h The problem is the cameras It just depends on how plugged in you're willing to be Andine imagine the magic cQ moment where you don't even have a display, but someone text you and goes, Hey, remember that picture from the crane on top of Marquez' Tesla? and you're like And the assistant on your glasses goes, do you want to just send them a picture It fun. doesn't even show you the picture. Do you trust it that much? Do you trust it that much? And then it's like Mistoos replied, What Why would you send me that? Well, imagine you ask your glasses to buy you your cappuccino and you get there and you've got like a triple deeluxe ham sandwich or something, you know I mean, you gotta take a picture of it with your soaked experience O lose it Or like worse, all of the stuff you just said works on the first try And then you're just this weird meat vessel for a Google data center somewhere, like is exactly what they were. Like picture like, then like a few days later being like, yo, thanks for sending me that pic and you're like I don't know you're talking about. I just wear the glasses arrive at the coee shop you pick up, you're like, why am I here? Becauseuse it just suggests you things nonstop and you just say yes or no. L like turn left, you're like, why am I turning? Where am I going? Coffee shop?? I feel like a lot of these tech companies used to try to solve problems and now they're just both No, I feel like they're trying to like guide user behavioread of answers one hundred percent our issues. one hundred percent. An of you guys seen Star Trek two Wrath of Kon? Yeah, Yeah. It's like the brainworm thing. Like it is there's this weird thing where like I think a lot of tech companies believe that people don't know what they want until you show it to them which was true for a long time in a lot of things But now with these convenience features, it's almost like you're guiding people along with things that come on, you definitely want this. You definitely want us to to order that thing for you and like direct you to the thing that you usually do. and It just becomes like you sort of just following along the AI instead of making your own decisions. And they want you to do that because then they can go to advertisers and say, hey, we can sell your product to people.. Look how good we are. You shouldn't use meta, you should use Googlehop. And then it'll all have been worth it. Yeah. And then all the AI investment will be worth it Um, okay, arere we old? Yeah Okay, you want to okay. this whole time I've been like I hit There's the line. Yeah We hit it. I'm the boomer now. Like kids are going to be like You just get with the time Gamps like this is the line that I'm not with the time. It's weird because a lot of like in my life I feel like I amm perfectly in the middle of regular people and then very much technology people. and everyone on the technology side seems to be very excited for the AI And then everyone in my regular life is like, this is the worst thing ever it's gonna to kill someone We we kind of like tow that line and I feel myself going I'm excited for it, but I'm scared of it but it's cool, but it's like, why are we doing this? I can be flip flopping all that. I' optimistic about AI while totally fing sick of what's going on with it right now. And exhausted by it. I want to make videos about like, you know AI stuff on my channel but not like A I, I want to make videos about like top five prompts to No, not like that. I want to make like Theoretical thought the first teenager deployed this week Yeah, more like what happens if this AI thing works and like what what does that say about society, whatever? But AI does kind of all get lumped together. That's the problem. one big AI. Yeah. So if there are little pieces of it that are great, like the tools we talk about all the time that we may use, whether it's like, Ohh we got to make like a little frame IO that's for us that has special features or even just like help me cut something out of Photoshop easier That gets something to the same AI as like all the chatpots and all the other things that are happening and the AI on the glasses and it's all AI. so it's all has this label. just kind of gets locked. It's like the same AI that lets you generate a useful widget on Android to help you track your run and how many things you're going to do before the marathon Yeah gets lumped into all the rest of the things you've heard about AI for the past hour. R Yeah, that's a problem. You photographer way more than an hour. Yeah. I think a lot of people just feel really insulted given how many like serious flaws there are in the world right now, like climate change being a big one. when people like Google and Ma come out and be like, no, but the biggest thing we need to solve is like how do we get your Google docs to write themselves and take your job. And we're going to do the worst thing America has done to the environment in fifty years to accelerate this You know they actually had a very, very, very brief section about weather models with AI Yeah that was super interesting because weather models right now are just throwing a ton of compute at a ton of data from all over the country and trying to decide what the weather is going to be and how potentially dangerous weather could happen in certain places and trying to get as accurate as possible. Just from all the research I've been doing about weather models, these AI models kind of came out of nowhere and are immediately surpassing these ancient models that we've been using forever. and it's like, holy shit, this is like super useful for like determining whether there's going to be dangerous storms in these places. Yeah. And they just kind of breezed over that and moved to the next thing becausecause there was a reannouncement ' they ann It's been around for like a year basically since they started doing it. But like that's the type of stuff that could make awesome headlines, super useful, really great stuff They also had those like this very brief thing at the beginning where they're like, we're going to cure all disease. and then they just moved on. Yeah right like, wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait what I think the proof that all that is nonsense was in that in the open AI Tesla, Elon court case when in like in all those internal emails that got released at no point where' Sam and Elon emailing each other like, Gys, we're about to cure all disease. Like we should just put our differences aside and cure all disease. No, the whole time they're like, this is going to take over the world. I want to be the guy that's the super billionaire running the world. Like they don't even It's going to cure all the disease. It's just something they say. This is what Google has been doing for a decade. This is what their AI teams were working on. It's just that when Chat GBT came out and everyone was like, well, we could get money. they started turning it all into consumer products and now we are where we are. Yeah. But they've had these outph of fold tools. they've had the weather models, they been doing this And it was just that they would work very quietly in the background with the people who it mattered for. Yeah. And now they're trying to tell us all what it me. Yeah. As soon as ChadGBT launched, they were like, oh, we have to make AI the main consumer product as instead of just using it as a background tool. because that's to your point, Mar is about the likeike the weather model is just being updated with AI features What they used to do and what Apple used to do would just be like, look at this awesome tool that you actually can have a use for powered by machine learning But they would actually tell you what was useful about it. And now everything's just a demo of something that you could do, but you would never do. They do it like the other way around We have this new feature. It's called AI B Yeah.' like, o boy, another thing Instead of look at this cool thing, it can do this. it's. uses AI to do it Well I think that's the problem with like these theseot these words that just get super hyped and there's like no nuance in them. you know, like big data or like internet of things or like they just call it under this giant umbrella and there's no nuance underneath it. Do you know what word is does live up to the hype, my brain is Sorry, sorry. Yeah. Tvy is that. Thank You were ready though. You were ready. You knew where I was going. Two music's playing at once That was good. Yeah, this has been a really rambly. It's really hot. It was a rambly. I mean Anyway, let's just get into trivy. Let's just get into don't dont have to crash. T more words could have led to it This is gonna to be the hardest edit of all time. Which of the following is not a real Google project Firebase Bazle. angle Pachy beam. How do you speell bazaal? B A Z A L Basil L like art basil Well that's E That would be how like a tech company making basil would discoull it that That's an eye though I Well, no, it's I know I'm saying that. spepelled different. It's also an S I think it wouldd just be BAZL Bio actuallyually B You're right. Damn But we'll think about it And just at the end, like usual, we'll be right back. No one goes to Hank's for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet, so Hank decides to bring back the one dollar slice in. He asks Copopilot in Microsoft Excel to look at his sales and costs and help him see if he can afford it. Copilot shows Hank where the money's going and which little extras make the dollar slice work Now Hanks has a line out the door. Hank makes the pizza Copilot handles the spreadsheets. Learn more at m three sixty five copilot d. com slash work. 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Listeners of this showel will get a seventy five dollars sponsored job credit at indndeed dot com slash podcast That's indeed d. com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apppply. Ne a hiring hero? This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs. Alli, welcome back. We didn't talk about this because Google didn't talk about it. They put it in a little Android developer blog, but where OS seven officially got announced, which for those that don't know, is the OS that runs on your Google smartwatch. There's some high level stuff here. There's some stuff that's good. I'm just gonna run through it really quickly They're adding flexible and dynamic wear widgets. So now they support new card layouts, which align very well for the mobile format. so they look the same on your phone and on your watch, which is good You have live updates on your watch. so if you know live updates like Uber or whatever that can sort of show you how close your car is, you can now show that on your watch. Or sports or ort Yeah, like Arsenal winning the Premier League. Which is crazy that they didn't have that on the watch before becausecause it seems like that'd be the best place to look at it. But Uh A fununctions. allows developers to integrate their apps with agents so people can complete tasks using their voice. That's helpful Task automation, users can invoke and track task automation, like asking your phone to order dash for you. Now you can see that on your watch So previously, you would like ask your pixel to order Darash for you and you would see it happening on your phone, but you wouldn't be able to know what was happening in real time on your watch. Now you can see the steps it's taking on your watch to make sure if it's accidentally ordering you like a car off of Amazon instead of your burrito, you can stop it, which is good Workout tracker, there is now a rich standardized workout tracking experience that includes heart rate monitoring, media control and other things So now if you're making a fitness app, there's a standardized layout that you can use to make sure that the watch app looks good. So if you just made the app for Android You don't have to completely redesign a separ W app. You can just use Google' standardized one, which is cool There are enhanced system media controls. So there is per app media auto launch controls, which means that if you open Spotify like on your phone The media controls with like playback and like pause, forward back, upd down volume, stuff like that Android Yeah. so now if you it's like if you open YouTube music it doesn't show up on your watch, but if you open Spotify, it does show up in your watch. because they want to give you as much control as possible, I suppose. There's also an audio output switcher on the watch now. So if you have your phone connected to multiple sources, you say you want to come out of the kitchen or you want to come out of the bedroom, you can switch it from your watch, which is helpful And then they made they updated watchatch Face format, which is a way to make watch faces. Now it's watch Face forormat five There's enhanced alignment options, auto size enhancements,lend modes, stroke joints, and hierarchical settings. That's about it I do use maybe one of those? Yeah,' so funny because that's something that would have been so good visually on aone screen on a stage that they had for two hours and decided Which is why I feel like they shouldn't even have done the Android show. They should have just made it half of IO and then done the Gemi. Yes. So then an hour in we could all here and then they can talk about Gemini but attention Yeah Did you wantan to talk about the scamer thing? I'm gonna to talk about it for five seconds. I thought you might know more about it, but Yeah I was in the wilderness. I see. Panasonic Lumix L ten. I saw this because on the X one hundred six subreddit, someone posted is like, Ohh, is this the new X one hundred competitor It seems like it's way more of a RX one hundred type competitor, but I then looked at it. and the coolest thing about this is how The lens comes out. It's like a lens cap that is built into the camera and it opens up like a little Try gate. Yeah, it's got three flap. Yeah, it looks like like, something in like Indiana Jones where they had to like shove a relic into a big stone door to open it and it opens in these like three flaps and then the Zoom lens comes out of it Yeah. Anways. It's a small like compact pointo and shoot camera. it looks Pretty cool. Petapixel has a whole review on it if you actually care about it, but the way it comes out. lookooks really cool That's all I have. Hopefully don't drop it while it's open and then break one of the hinges off. Yeah, to be fair, dropping those cameras is that option with be in a rough spot. And to be fair, the flaps aren't that important. They just kind of act as like a dust protector. Yeah, the gold color looks pretty sweet. Yeah, it does. Cool.. Most important thing All right So now that you guys have made it this far of the podcast, I know that you're real fans you may hit this far past all the rambling and all the stuff that we've talked about. And so instead of hitting with the code word in the comments This is a great time to share with you something that we're really proud of that is maybe the coolest thing we've ever done So you guys know The Marble Olympics, like the jealous Marble runun YouTube channel. Jealous or jealous? I only know about this because you guys talk about it all the time You've probably it's come across your feet at some point in the last decade. They're kind of iconic. I don't know if they're awesome. They have essentially like a bunch of different events. It's like Marble Olympics, like a bunch of different events that they can run and they all compete against each other. Oh They have sponsors Yeah, these marble teams have sponsors. I think you undersold it a little. Th These be a lot of them. The marble events Like there are sprints, there's hurdles, there's like javelin, there's everything you can imagine. There's Marbula one which has mbed full blown Like tempted track recreations in a marble run where each marble is representing a different driver in forormula one and they do qualifying beforehand. like It's completely out of this world with incredible like They have the timing metrics and everything down for everyone. Anyways, yeah, it's awes. It'sactly what you're picturing Uh We we decided we'd love to get involved and instead of just sponsoring one team We decided every channel that we run should have a team so that we can root for them. So here on the Waveformform podcast, we do have A sponsoreor marble team. We do. That would be well the solar fl The solar flares are the w wayform teams. We're like an OG Gel's Marvel run team. Like solar flares have been computing for at least five years if not like way long It's the waveform bro. It's We need a rookie card We are we are we are proudly sponsoring that Marble team here at Wayformform, But that also means the auto foocus channel is also involved. They are sponsoring the plasma team The studio channel is sponsoring the primary team. I believe the studio channels team has already been relegated. Yeah they gotid fast. Yeah Yeah. they had some poor performances early and the MKBHD team, the Blackjacks team is doing really well So you know. now that you've made it this far, we highly recommend going over and checking out what those marble teams are up to and rooting for your favorite one. Maybe you're going for the Waveform team, but you're clearly going to root for the I'm going to beroone. I'm goingre part of all of these channels, Marquez. I know that the so well. He needs to be tested for performance. They' doing so well. It's I'm really p. project team is, off course. Marquez is so good at everything. off course, he would think one of the teams destroy all of us. It's the Mablack Marbleman. One thing it, Marquz doesn't actually need his competence to do and run. He still wins that. And I'm very upset about it. the season, it's a long season. okay.. There's a lot of can still lose. Yeah, for sure. We switch teams to our collective team if we start winning. No, I'm gonna stick with my team But you know, the Waveform teams should stick with their team too. should we should watch all these teams, We should watch the events. Some stuff is live too. You can literally watch them like as they happen. They're really excitited. go check them out. We'll link whatever we can below so you can go support and check out our teams Yeah, marble Rcks. We will retweet the first person who posts a picture with the solarfiller marble merch watching Waveform solar Is that fair? You cany you can buy the team marbles on. Okay. still Or you can buy jerseys, I think ounds. Do guys know who the marbles on the solar flare are I have the team roster pulled up. The names Wait they have names. I forgot' names. Yeaho, who's our roster? Coming from the seaside city of Meterene, the Solar Flares participated in the Stardust classic and won the Herbatamia in an invitational, allowing them and the gliding glaciers to be invited to compete in Marble League twenty twenty one qualifiers We are represented Bye Act, hold on what am I Why am I not even seeing We are represented by Flare, scorch, Radiance, Ember and blaze. Aret actually glad I have that button just like Rising out So we will be big time watching our marbles and supporting them through the rest of the season U because it's the most exciting thing we've ever been a part of. The main in our office is either our work calendar or marble runal' going on. The like four hour live streams of it and it's true. We dis golf too Yeah, yeah, this golf makes on there's something that. That's definitely The bottle Yeah So anyway. Thank you guys for watching and listening this week. I think it's time for that last segment that we always do trivia Do you have a whiteboard? Oh, you do? Yeah. guysuys, I have before me. There's four women's names, specifically Rachel, Mimi, Robin, and Shakira. What line of smartphones had all four of these as codeenames H you are about to experience things that you can't believe carried away over. Behind the trivy music is carri. There's so many good ones, David, we put this one in the soundboard. Yeah Thats Honestly it sounds exactly like my flexite. printer right? No, no. It's G. What'd you put? Yeah. Okay. All right,. Mark, has you wantan to read first? I said Samsung's A series, but I also wanted to point out that there is literally a phone call the Robins. Robins. Oh that's good. Yeah. I wasinking that too. Andrew David do you wantan to read your answers at the exact same time. Are they not the same answer? Yes, they are Well, let's S You said a lineu upp of phone, correct. T. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. He said a lineup of phone. If my God you' been back. If said Samsung. If he said Samsung and it was the A series, would you have wanted that? Sony even make Ex. They make. You didn't I think. You just heard Eperia. They have Experiia one. they also have Eperiia five. They have Ei at ten. What What were the things? I actually was debating putting one or five But you did it? Are they both? Well, you just put Sone is one of them, right Gys What even is this? Come on, man. You've been back it was day of an LRD and I was like, do I Well IRV series. So any Experia, That's what I meant. specificven'tld you haven't told me the answer Y. What are they? What are the I'm gonna say Those are all Sony Eperia phones. yeah Experia, what? Experia So these are all these are the first four Eperia phones that ran Android after they switched from Windows phone. So what was name? were the name. The Experia X ten A, the Experia U twenty A, the Experia E ten A, and the Eperia E fifteen. Oh wait, those are the model excuse me. The Experiia X ten The X ten Mini Pro, the X ten minini, and the Experia X eight experience. So I could give neither of you the point because neither you put Experia X, but I think Is there a Sony phone that's not experperi? They want to be specific. so they got it all wrong. The question was what line and it's the Eperia line Yeah But nobody would have been. I just feeling if you said that line or that what company? But Sony only makes Eperia phones. I think they have more Eice was gonna that both of you put the other lines Do we both get it wrong? I don't know. Sony doesn't make non Experia phones. No I don't want to It's making me look bad, but I don't know. that feels like a very vague answer But there's only one. I'm just saying please'ust saying I don't know what to do here. Okay. H's here's the thing. If I give Andrew the point. You know, then he's tied with Marquez, we get like this nice competitive thing. Oh. And then if I give David the point, he's even farther ahead of everyone else. I think that should be taken. We should both get pl Yeah. Yeah, neither of you get a point right now in the comments. let us know I were David Andrew B. No I said then I lost Here's the point. What does Jem and I say? It is so implied. Well' let the comment section figure this one out. This is so implied. Wow guys. All right, well, since no bos have been awarded. so brring Mariah back.'m top number one comment, easy. Andrew, you've officially initiated my grudge. Right I would like to kick off hour thirty nine of this podcast by with an update to the score Andrew, you are carrying the one with twenty five points, maybe twenty six. We'll see. Marquez, you are just ahead of him with twenty six actual real points. And David, you are still far in the lead with twenty nine points. There's a point where I was I was here like Double both of their scores put together. No, you did start this season with the huge Usually, we're also so overdue for an extravagant. Yeah significant. Question number two, which the following is not a real Google project? A firebase B, buzz all, C, angle or C. Apache or D, sorry, Apache Beam What do you guys think Slip ' them and read. what do you got? Wow, okay, I'm different again from the other two. I said be bazaal Wrong, That is a real answer. Spelled it wrong I think the spelling is it's Y Z EO Bil That's not how you spilled it before. was it? That's not how you pronounceced that. Oh, I don't know You built it BA ZA. Okay Bazil Bazil It's a tomato tomat. It's their own to Sony Experient. Yeah, their what tool? It's a build tool that has build and support for building both client and servver software And then research is that even I don't I don't know, bro. I don't know. This is on their page. Google open source. All right. All right, It's called Bel You said Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, you said Bizare. I thought that was real B B called basil. Well, it was well, what Adam said wasn't real Exactly. That's why I should get the point No, but it was real. It's a real thing. Bazaal is not real. Well, I don't know, I've never heard this spoken out loud. It could very well be Bazaal. It's I Googled it And it's pronounced Bazal. No, it's called basil But it's not spelled like basel. Be it's a tech company. Yeah, this is how Google pronounces it Basil What does Google know Andrew, David, what did you guys put? C, C. four angle I forgot what was And I put both to be specific. That is. You're gonna have to be specific. And I put an angle