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Law Supplies last ends june thirtieth turnerms at aka. mS slash college PC If Apple doesn't provide me a large language model to talk to in a way, I don't care. It took me like half an hour to watch the video because I kept pausing and laughing so much. I'm a little scared about Waymos on New Jersey highighways. It's a different type of driver. They say AI is going to change healthcare. What does that really mean? AI is going to change our streets, our highways. What does that really mean Oh, we're gonna to get humanoid robots in our homes that' gonna change our lives forever. What does that really mean Joanna, thank you for joining me on the way from my podcast. Yeah. All the way here in Kerny New Jersey, which is really fun. And it's away from my house. Yeah. Well, we like having people in person on the podcast more than virtual because it's just more personal. It's more fun. We're right here. Yeah. We're this You know what? The two most powerful people in New Jersey tech media are in this room. I am willing to accept that Do you think there's anyone else? In New Jersey? I haven't thought about that, actually. I'm not really sure. There's gott to be a teech media. We know there's a lot of important media people. Right Jersey. Tech media I don't know certain people where they're from, but I'm just gonna go ahead and accept the crit. I'm pretty sure it's just I'm willing to take it. I mean, there's a lot of others and we are the top is what I'm saying here. I like it. I like the confidence We should talk a little bit about tech because there's a bunch going on. We have your book here in front of us. We're also going to talk about this. I'm really excited about. My new way of promoting the book is holding it up your face during the entire podast. It makes all the podcast editors very angry. I like the block it. We werere just talking about the cover by the way, the title is very in the colors and the shapes. And I have to talk to you about humanoid robots as well. Oh, I would love to. I have so many takes I know you do. They sometimes get me in trouble. I' love to hear. I love your takes and they're mostly right. So yeah. Perfect. So tell me about this book. It's called I amm Not A Robot What is what is you' using AI to do almost everything You can search that all. You really just have to search, I amm not a robot oanna Sttern because if you search I'm not a robot, you just get cap shows and it's a disaster. Totally. Great idea for a name of a book, not actually great idea when you go to sell the book For SI. Yeah, it's terrible SEO capap show situation. Yeah, this is about my year trying to use AI in as many parts of my life as possible And um That's my pitch. Go buy the book. Giving it a shot, being optimistic open to it being either awesome or terrible, just fully fully immersing yourself. Fully immersing myself, and I don't define AI as just generative AI. It's not just chat bots. You've got self driving cars in here, humanoid robots healthcare tons of different applications of what was called deep learearning, but now everyone just calls AI or chatbots or generative AI. Yeah, there's neural nets, there's all sorts of things. It's just all artificial intelligence. all the time. Yeah. Awesome Not only do I have a bookout, I have a new media company which we know we're going to talk about, but it's called new thingsings and you can go to the new thingsings. com Door Look at these sound effects. we got a sound. Or you can go to my YouTube channel, Joanna Sttern We'll link everything below so P can find it First we can talk, actually there's a little bit of tech news that we haven't talked about a ton yet on the podcast, which is Apple's new CEO. That's a fun one What do you think about You feel like you haven't talked about that a lot on this podcast? Well, we have talked about it, but I haven't gotten other people's thoughts outside of the podcast. So now I'm excited to start doing that. Because I've beenistening this podast in my car and I'm pretty sure you've done a lot of coverage of this. We did have a lot of optimistic musings about the future of Apple and do you agree with our thoughts on John Turnis being the new CEO? The product guy I do, I do. I think We We love products That's our focus to cook is kind of he likes products. I think we say he's not the product guy, but he's like he likes them. Yeah, he likes using the products to be good at his job of making the company really good. He loves using products to make money. Yes, exactly. Right. R Yeah We do too, but we also just love using the products. L even if someone told me, you're not going to make money using this tech product, I would love to still use it. Yeah. And I think it's I love your guys optimism. I'm optimistic. I think it just means that the most senior leader at the company is going to be able to talk little bit more thoughtfully about these products, why they made these decisions, what goes into it. You and me have both met Tim Cook over the years, and he's great to talk to. He clearly loves Apple. He loves the products they're making. ' going get like deep into the products. You've interviewed a bunch of Apple Eecs over the years. and I get I mean, you've talked to Tim. do you ever talk to him about products or it's more just like global company vision, big picture stuff, that's usually what he's good at. It feels like that's where the conversation usually goes. Yeah, right? When you I mean, I've watched your interviews with him too. Yeah with the CEO. Yeah. with the CEO There are other companies where I would say what's a good example of. I mean, I've talked to a YouTube CEO in the Weeds of the products all the time. I haven't done an interview with him in a while on camera, but we did do one and that was very product focused Um I think in general, just when I talk on camera about stuff, I'm trying to connect it to the viewer and that is through the products that we're both using. So we have experiences with the products, we think there are things that are great about it. We think there are things that could be better about it. And then the competition unveils some shortcomings and we get to compare and contrast So that's whats fun to me. I feel like actually what's really interesting is that right now in the tech industry, the closest CEOs to the products are the AI companies because they're the founders.ue Yeah, right? Yeah. You've got the Microsofts, you've got the Amazons, you've got Apple And they're not the founders anymore. Right? And theyre not they're making these big decisions about cloud infrastructure and all the things that are not the consumer product. But when you go and talk to the Darioos or the Sam Altmanans of the world right now, they're also really deep still into the product that they helped create. Yeah. So you have these conversations Look, there are plenty of conversations these guys are having right now, right? They're on the circuit and everyone is talking to them. If you're a person like me or you, you can get really good conversation around the products because they're in it. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Also there's a lot of AI in your book Actually, give us the ten thousand foot view of how you used AI For an entire year, well, well, you had the day, but also the entire year in the book. How did that go? What happened? You don't have to spoil everything, but How did it go? Oh, it went. It went. That's that's that's the top that's the big answer. happened I want look. There seemed to be a moment last year, twenty twenty five, even end of twenty twenty four, where there were so many new products coming up that had AI in them. Y. And there were all these grand proclamations being made by these CEO's saying AI iss going to change our lives. It's going to be amazing. And I was like we just try to live that and see if that's true? And can I live five years into the future and see what these people are talking about using today's technology and not giving people a perfect view, right? Be the models have been getting better, the products kind of been getting better and see what life was like. And I tried The big thing I think is different about this book versus any other AI book is first of all, it's meant for consumers, the people who are using this stuff. It's not just generative AI. it's not just chat bots. We get into self driving cars, there's humanoid robots, there's medical AI And I wanted to look at all these parts of life and say OkayK, they say AI is going to change healthcare. What does that really mean? AI is going to change our streets, our highways. What does that really mean Oh, we're going to get humanoid robots in our homes that' going to change our lives forever. What does that really mean It actually means nothing because they're really not ready. And so that's And the book is like done by the yearar. So it' I wrote this in twenty twenty five. It starts in winter of twenty twenty five you know, New Year's Day And I just tried to throughout the year use AI as much as possible I do want to say There were places where I couldn't use AI, I say in the beginning of this book If I went full throttle, I would be divorced and I would have lost everything that was important to me. Wow. I use that in a tempered way, right? L I wanted to still be a an and an evion and good spouse and all of these things. But I really, yeah, mean Name it, I tried it. Yeah. There's so many interesting things in that. like I first I've wanted there's a video I' wanted to do because in the back in the day I did a Google versus Siri versus Alexa video And now it feels like the modern version of that would be to do GPT versus Gemini versus whatever other perplex, all the best ones clawed. But every time I think about trying to do that, I always feel like there's some massive update around the corner that as soon as I put out my video it would be out of date. And so I don't know if I can make that video or if it's even worth making because it's not useful anymore How do you feel about those comp There's no one model that seems to forever be number one. It feels like it's not a useful comparison. Yeah, I think that would be a tough video for you to do. Like you would have a very short shelf life and then you would hear from a lot of people saying, like I just switched to Gemini, I just switched to that like every week it's different. And I'm very clear in this book to say I never actually mentioned model names. Maybe there's one or two places where I mentioned four O or somethinghing like that, but I really because I knew that if you know, writing a book, you only want that out day day. Yeah. I mean O apparently successful authors don't want it to be sold for just a day. I'm not really, I don't know yet. I don't know if I'm going to be a successful author. But so but I think the themes of it, right? So if I was using An image generator,? I knew that wasn't going away. Yes, there's some examples in this like where the image generator just like completely gaslights me and keeps saying like I was generating a picture for my son of five hamsters and it kept being like Yeah, no, there's five hamsters in this image. and we're like, no, there's six hamsters in this image. You know? And then they'd be like, No, no, look, I did it again. and then it'd be like seven hamsters S stuff like that has gotten better. Yeah. but Yeah thematically, I really tried to just stay on that and not be mentioning specific models because if I had, like at the time, I don't know GPP would have been the best. and then you know, today people believe Claud or Gemi or you know, Gemini iss probably getting updated in a few weeks at IO Exactly. We can't say. Yeah. So to your point, AI is a lot more than just the chop bots, there's the self driving cars, there's the medical breakthroughs, there's all kinds of stuff What was the most surprising thing that you may be found in looking at all these different things? because the word AI now, it's It includes a lot of things we used to call What did we call it before? There was like the machine learning? Yeah machine learning, exactly or even neuralinks or whate all the other stuff. What do you what are you surprised by A Well, there's a lot of surprising moments in the book just in terms of my usage I think one of the big messages that I want people to know in this book, and I think maybe your viewers already know it or listeners already know it. but There are so many places right now where we hear about this hate of AI. might hear it from your friends or from your listeners or viewers And the truth is AI iss already in your life, there's just no way you're going to be able to say no to it, right? And you've made this point before, like about the image processing and the AI and the algorithms that go into so many different things. But I think even broader and deeper than that, for instance, one examples, I have a big chapter in here about AI reading my mammogram And I sought that out, but M are going to get their x rays or mammograms or ultrasounds, and they're already being read by AI. There is a radiologist behind the scenes using AI to say, Actually, that looks like cancer. U So that was one thing that I didn't really realize how ingrained it was already in parts of our lives that we don't think about. I think even like self driving cars, You we know they're in specific cities That AI is affecting your life because your car is driving next to it. I saw Waymo out here the other day, which I thought wasane. Yeah, it was like right around the corner and I saw that they're starting to test in New York City And I'm a little worried about that. For them, actually mostly. This is making me mad because now you are the top New Jersey tech reporter. Oh, really. I mean, I tested WayMo's in Austin and I tested the Robot taxis in Austin. That's the only place I've ever ridden in a like fully self driving taxi service. Really? Yeah. And then I heard that they were bringing it to New York City and I thought that sounds bold. and then I saw one Oh, that's Did you see New York or New Jersey? I saw right here on this block in New Jersey. Really? Yeah. So it must have been somebody coming from New Jersey. Tch New Jersey reporter. This is insane.. Is this breaking in youry one or whatever it is. you I'm so jealous of the job you're about to get there. So they're out here No, I had no idea they were in New Jersey. I knew they were like in Brooklyn and they'd been testing them around the city Wow And you sure it was WayMo. It was definitely WayMo. yeah. And I saw that because I recognized the headline that I had just seen and I like, oh, okay confirmed it's true because I see one here probably dropping someone off at the helicopter tours or something like that. Interesting. Yeah, a I'm a little scared about WayMo's on New Jersey highways. It's a different type of driver that you have to deal with. and I feel like in each one of these cities the self driving car I guess something that people don't always talk about is it has to assimilate to the driving style. So in California these big multil lane highways, all this stuff. and then of course, the neighborhoods Well paved roads, usually nothing too insane at least from the footage I see Austin, similar stuff, slightly different intersection types. R. You come to New York and New Jersey and the way taxi drivers drive, the way Uber drivers drive, The way people on scooters fly past you in bicycles in the bike lane. and jug handles in New Jersey and all roundabouts and all these other crazy things I I'm curious. I'm curious how it handles that stuff. So I in the book go to Phoenix and go with my whole family. I have two sons and my wife we went to Phoenix for spring break. We called it our Waymo fund vacation. Okay. And we went there for a week and we took about forty Waymos. and I had been in them in different cities, but I really felt like I got when you're really in one city and you you can pick up all of the little things the cars do. Yeah. You really feel like you're starting to understand that driving style Yeah, the city the city specific driving style is fascinating. And I wonder, yeah. The cars off to talk to each other and get better at driving in each place. So if a Wo starts to move because this is the thing, if you're a Waymo in New York and then you do a drop off in New Jersey, and then you pick someone and they want to go to Jersey and then Philly and now now you're a Philly Wayo Now what is that like? This is so many years away, but I would say in five years, something like that could be That's really interest happen. You have the book here. You decided to write a book. I'm curious about the decision to write a book in the first place because you have this long history of you've been, obviously, you've done podcasting, you've done writing for your website, you've done video stuff Why the book and why now for a book? Yeah, it's a really good question. Why did I do this book as I am exhausted from being talking about this book That's made you think about it him more I should ask my bought version of myself why I did this book I thought this was going to be a moment in time. Like the beginning of this book, I talk about the internet and this idea that in nineteen ninety five, let's say where you've been bor I was two years old. Right. ye. I had a feeling I was in fifth grade. I wasn't that much older than yeah. I mean, a little bit Um Like if someone in nineteen ninety five came up to you two year old Marquze and you were like I can't even speak. Hi. Yeah. I only know three words. and told you everything you do is gonna to be on the internet, right? Every you're going shop on the internet, your mail's gonna be on the internet. All these parts of your life are gonna be going through a computer, you would have been like ll know. People of the time certainly didn't believe it. Let alone want it You're just like, no. and then if you told them Actually, and ten years after that, it's all going to be on a little screen that you put in your pocket. And then they told two year old Marquz, you're going to review those screens. You're gonna be hell yeah. be pumped. It'd be like you're gonna be a famous reviewer of littleittle rectangles in your scre in screen rectangles. you've been like Okay, I want to be an astronaut. Yeah. Mommy. Yeah. Yeah, was So my point is is that with the book I thought Everyone keeps saying we're on this at this moment where AI is going to make that change It feels like it's good to have this piece that like will stand the test of time to either be completely wrong or completely right. So this is the moment in time where we are there' spectacular speul Scul speculation speculation. edit that out. Spepectacular speculation. Yes. about whether or not this is the future. basically. And we're all living in a time where, okay, we know the world as it is, we know the search engines, we know the structures of the internet we know how we sort of switch on and switch off. But this AI thing is going to change everything and we're all skeptical. What And this is the premise of the book. What if machines are a part of every part of the fabric of our lives? Yeah. Every part Just like the internet became. Yeah. But now machines that have smarts that have that are smarter than humans. these people say are going to change our lives Look, I'm covering that every day and you are too and it's kind of seep into but I thought maybe a book form would be good. And also I'll be honest, like I really want to hit a different audience with this book. Yeah, what is it how is this audience different than your normal like video audience? I am here talking to your audience and I hope they will read the book or I'm really hoping that your audience will tell Someone in their life where they're like, you know, your audience like heard us debating if you should do that video on Gemini and Claude and they started getting mad. likeike know, in their head, they were like, no, man. Weit for five point seven. Yeah, exactly. five point seven, five point five with the image better than this You know, Nano banana. sentence that didn't exist a year ago. Right. I know bana's better than my five point, whatever I want them to tell their person in their life that isn't super deep in, you should go read this book because it summarizes and gives you a really good understanding of what AI could do for you I do also want Let me look at this person, nano banana nerd. I want you to also buy the book. but you could buy it for a friend. There is a lot of I guess there's the two versions of the way people think about this future. I always have my own nuanced version of this, which maybe we'll get to. There is clearly a lot of positive use of artificial intelligence, especially in things like pattern recognition, like in the medical field like we talk about. Oh, it'll look at this MRI, it'll look at this tons and tons of data in a way that a human can't and find a pattern. And maybe that actually means something that we didn't know about before. So there's a ton of upside. But then there's also a bunch of downside, and you hear stories about this all the time, about the chatbots talking crazy to people, about all sorts of other negative things How do you think about the positive versus negative trade off of all of our lives being filled with artificial intelligence? I wish that I had a better answer at the end of this book You should still read the whole book and spoil alert. I don't have a better answer at the end, but you should still read the whole book. Even you, Nano Banana. friend Um simimilar to any other tech tool and I know you've made this point in your videos There's going to be good and bad And so like There is a very good chance this is Totally worse and has far more negative consequences than any other technology. I feel like I sound like Sam Altman sitting here. Yeah. but I need to learn how to do like a great Sam altuman impression. Like you thinkinks so thoughtfully off to the side You know, you study people when you interview them. Oh yeah.. And you always watch a bunch of interviews of other things they've talked about before and then you realize they're going to do the same thing. Yeah. It's like looks up really. It you calculations. And that tells you the good news U like the job displacement is real. people right now. I mean just started this new media company And the amount of incoming I have from young people out of college who just can't get a job because they feel like AI has taken over these basic tasks, whether it's video editing, whether it's Design wrriting That feels real and people are furious about it. And they're like, why do we need this technology It' hard to answer now. and that's the point of being in this moment of time. I have my nuanced take, which I say it kind of relates back to smartphones I saw like the time before smartphones where I was playing around with the VHS camcorder and there was a bunch of different tech. and then you know, smartphones came along and they brought all these different technologies into this one super compputer in your pocket. And it's gotten really, really, really good and also it's sort of slowed down in improvement And I have a hard time picturing a post smartphone world, meaning we've moved on from this form factor of a rectangle in your pocket to something else. U A lot of these big tech companies are trying to prepare themselves for a postmart phone. What if it's a glasses thing? What if it's a computer on your face? So they're all trying that stuff, but I personally still have a hard time imagining that the smartphone isn't the center of that universe Do you have a hard time with that, or do you feel like we could just move on from smartphones I have a picture at the end of the book, brring it back to the book Okay We can we get a tight shot of thatly So for audio listeners, there's a then, a now and a soon. is exactly what I was talking about. Yeah. The then is someone sitting down in front of a computer with a tower PC. the now is just holding the superc compomputer in your pocket. And the soon is this girl with some cool glasses on, which are That's you. Yeah, yeah whichich is clearly smart super cool smart girl. Yeah. And that's theon That's the soon. the soon. Host smart phone Post smartphone, notot alongside the smartphone Alongside you know what? actually, we need to revise this b phone in addition number two. The phone is in her pocket or in her purse or you know, it's sitting in the car or something. It's close by. Yeah becausecause the phone powers this and I one of the reasons I if you read all of this text here. it basically says we went through this, but we didn't lose these other things, right? I mean we don't well, actually, I was just by your desk. you do still have like a giant tower. Maybe not for long ould I do? Maybe not for long, but you know, yeah, sure you're gonna get like a neo. It's going to power everything you do We still have these, right? So we have this long history of tech where things don't get replaced. They just we get added. We get augmented. Augmented And our focus shifts, right? I mean, certainly the smartphone This idea that the smartphone will be replaced, I totally with you. This is I can't see it ever. I like this is a like the devices getting more perfect. It knows everything about us. It fits in our pockets. We get to put it down and then pick it up, which I think is actually something we don't think about a lot, but it's super important. And then there's obviously all the thoughts about how often do you pick it up, how often you put it down? But the face computer Maybe there's a world where you use the face computer a lot and you use your phone a bit less because it's more convenient, you take photos and videos with it, maybe you talk to it, but you then check the rectangle in your pocket a little bit less. But that's still the thing that has all the power, all of the best compute all of the best form factor. So I just, I don't know. We'll it going away. Okay, so in the book, I write a lot about the wearables. and this is perfect segue. So we'll talk about this one. D you ever try this out? No. This is the be this is the B Okay, It was Amazon actually ended up buying it. It lookooks kind of like a tidbit. Yeah, the hardware' Un unremarkable. It's This I wore for most of the year, and it has a microphone and it records everything you do Right now I press the button and green means this is recording. And so everything that's being said goes to Amazon's Cloud They transcribe it They pull it back down. they get rid of the audio And then I get a summary of our conversation and also gives me to dos about our conversation. So if I've told you like, Marquez I'm going to apply to be the the New Jersey one Tech report number one Yeah, I don't is I actually meant that it's the channel name. I don't know. Is there a New Jersey TV network? There might be. Yeah. Anyway, this will all be in there and it will say, you need to go apply to be the New Jersey number one tech correspondent. right? Everything from this conversation will have been summarized by AI and it will give me This crazy to do list, a detailed to do list. and you can keep this on all day and it happens. basically anotherother brain in a way, right? I'm outsourcing my memory I don't need to remember we did here. I don't have to actively go and put that in my to do list. Yeah. Yeah, we were just talking about this. wasas it last episode they were talking about this of I already sort of augment part of my brain in a way where I've just given up on remembering certain things and I use right now it's a task app and I just have something I have to do. I immedately take out my phone and I open the task app and I write it down just to make sure I don't forget because my memory iss not perfect and Everyone is willing to draw a line in the sand in a slightly different place about how much they're willing to augment or offset their own brain U when you're going all in on E. Do you feel like it's making you I guess we thought about this as like less smart. or less useful? Less human. Does it Yeah, less human Does it feel bad to like not use your brain as much? or is it convenient? then you can do all sorts of other random stuff you didn't think about before? There are moments where you're like, oh, don't worry about it. My bracelet got it. Yeah. Like I don't have to worry about that. And that's nice, kind. That's nice, kind of, right Becauseuse there's certain times where you know you're missing things. There's of course, the flip side where it's like I don't want tona record everything. I don't want to live in my own surveillance state And what I need to remember to do is not that important. It's like change the the water filter in my house. Yeah. But if it's unimportant, I'm gonna forget. Well, that was one of the findings in here is that I say, like especially to my wife, like I say I'm going to do all these things and I never do them. Or it's not I don't ever really do them. But also I just don't have I don't remember to do them Right And so I think this idea of some passive computing That is on us handand in hand with the smartphone is coming. I mean, and Well, I'm going to do something next because I I want to get your tape but I mean, I know how you felt about many of these devices. Yeah, I'm willing to give them a shot. This is my thing. And I know that the main trade off that I think I think the most about and Im probably a lot of people watching think about is the tradeoff between data and the privacy and the convenience. And it's almost like a sliding scale. The more convenience you get, the less privacy you get. If you're going to have it remember everything you said and give you a summary of it, it has to listen to a lot of what you're saying and it's going to be super convenient because it gives you that back in functionality And so how far do you want to slide that? You know what? I'll let it listen to everything. I'll let it see everything through my face cameras and I'll let it hear everything through the microphones, and then I'll be the most productive human ever alive Or the other side of that, which is I just want it once in a while, just to remember one or two things and that's fine. And I think that's going to be the calculation going on at every tech company, right? At Apple, at Amazon, at Google If we're not providing a great toool and utility People are not going to deal with the privacy trade offff Right. So the glasses, I think are a great example Right now a lot of people don't trust the metedag glasses. There's a good enough utility there especially on the camera front Right that we're willing to put these cameras on our face in I mean, I use them in specific situations, right? places I wouldn't want to be holding my phone. And so there's a good enough utility there and a good enough benefit But once you start, I don't know always recording or always having those glasses on What is the benefit? You need to prove that And that's the conversations that I'm sure Ma, Apple, etcetera are having about what is the features that we can build in here to make that privacy trade offff work? Yeah. Yeah, every company has to find a different place for that line in the sand. That is also one of my I guess it's more's less of a theory, but it's kind of proving out, which is that Apple is Not winning the AI race. But because they've basically not competed at all. It's come around the other side where people like that about them. And they can focus on being the hardware that we run the AI stuff on at some point but they have had a focus for a long time on the privacy. And because of that, they do not offer as much convenience C Siri. App intelligence, etcera. I actually don't mind on the Apple intelligence stuff. I think you're totally right. If Apple doesn't provide me a large language model to talk to in a way I don't care Syria is so atrocious. It is so terrible. It's pretty bad can't do the basic things that were really been promised. And I talk to Siri all the time Yeah And go. Yeah, I mean What other choice? I like using cararplay. you probably have deep thoughts on this, but it's just a different podcast. Let's cut it there or I need Siri to just play a song or tell me some basic information in the car, or use my home pod. stuff that doesn't require a ton of data and information. I tell the story all the time everyvery morning, I just want Siri to play NPR pod news in my bathroom while I'm just washing my face and putting on my makeup Why do I have to ask five different ways and have to perfectly explain the name of the podcast and's like That is insane It is twenty twenty six. So we had to growing up learn how to Google search. Yeah, whichich was, oh, you kind of use certain words in a certain order and then you will find what you need And as they got better, it became less important to know those skills. The AI is kind of the same way. like you have to learn how to prompt it, you have to learn how to ask it to get a certain result. But after a while, they should be good enough that you don't you should just use natural language and it should just know. Conversational AI, we have the very basics on all of the other chatbots now. Yeah. And look, Apple's going to do this. They're going to do it this year. I'm with you. like you don't need to give me a chatbot that knows everything. But just please, like one that can easily play NPR in the morning or just tellell me the weather or Just some of the really basic things, like we got timers right. and like I spent a lot of time yelling at Apple about that. We got the timers.ally got tim. I don't mean to be really selfish and you know spoiled and say not I'm very thankful for the timers' apppple. Multiple timers. Multiple timers, right But now we need a little bit Now we need ye yeah. P I wanted to bring this to you on the podcast. I think it's going to be the hottest AI wearable of the year. Okay, the hottest AI wearable of the year. A It's a pin. It is a pin. And I know you've had feelings about pinens, tech pins. Well, this pin is probably better than the other Yeah, this is why I brought this. I wanted a review. I wanted the Marquez review of the product that I made. Okay. So's it just says some text on it. It says, Verified human, I am not a robot. Now I didn't have to do anything to earn this pin and prove that I'm a human This is like a trust basis. like you believe that I'm a human I've spent a few minutes with you today. I feel feel like you're a human, but you know, one way I was going to have you tested is that if you poke yourself and see if you bleed That could be simul, I mean, I could simulate that You're saying I passed the turing test Let's see, let's see if there's blood So far so. So far Gavemark has the blood update last week. so ye, that was prettyty solid. Oh I saw that room back there. I was worried about that room. They had to get that blood. Has any other guest made you bleed on this show? No, no. We haven't beta tested the like making me bleed live yet. but I feel like it would do it pretty good I mean, I would believe sure. Okay. well yeah. then you guys have really advanced Marquz bought here Yeah to amazing potent We have to routine. Yeah. Yeah, The back room is full of a bunch of like non working prototypes that are kind of just like sparking and it's a whole thing back there. But What else are your other impressions of this pin? lookook, it's been really rough for other pin makers out there. Yeah. I This review means a lot to me. So so the other pin that I think you're referring to also has the word human. Yes, with like an extra letter or something, I think, but it says human on it Um That one had a bunch of other claims of things that it said it could do. This one, I don't I think there are any claims of things that it should do. it should just verify that I am a human Which importantly should mean that if I'm a robot, I should not be able to wear this. Like a humanoid robot should not be able. Oh, good point. too like don pin. We can take that in. mayaybe some secity some security steps in there. This is a decent review Um, how about the battery life Oh, it seems like it'll never turn off. whichich is really nice. The tech that lasts forever is and this should last a really long time is underrated in my Wow, this means I almost could cry This is human. I have I've worn like Like two or three, you know how, u the swag you get at tech events, you always get a pin. Like that this wait what? That's all I know. You don't get the little apple pin the apple pin Like WWC here like R. And we used to make a pin too. Like this this feels like right in line with like the. Well I remel these after, I mean, again, you might be a little I don't think you're too young. Do you ever go to TJIF Fridays where they had like all the flare? Of course. Yeah. My birthday was I was born on a Friday Oh, really? Yeah. And so I used to go to Fridays on my birthday every year. E if it wasn't a Friday. justust somewhere in New Jersey Whver I was. Yeah I love CJ. and they're like not around that much anymore. They're yeah, unfortunately. I mean ye I get it can't That sampler was amazing. The breadstickaks went crazy. Yeah. But yeah, this this is sol. really one of the best samplers. Okay. It means so much. Yeah I you know how every tech exact you have a bunch of. Well, it's free for you. than you. Actually, the promotion wean for the preorder was that you had to preorder the book and I'd send you a free pin. which the shipping on the pen was more than the pen Yeahah that's what we learned when shipping our pin as well as we had to figure out pin economics. But if you too want be Well we hadght to get like a quote. I would have to put your quote on the pinN review page. I know that's gonna cost. Battery life seems infinite. Yeah inc clos. Battery life seems infinite. If you would like to get this Marquez. ved pin. You just have to pre order and then you go to Joannaistern. com. and get your pen. No, you know. Alough I'm frightened because I'm actually like doing well, my AI agent deals with all the orders and Sometimes it messes up and it's a mess I'm sure it'll do it'll be great for this.n Okay, onn the bottom of that true, you have an AI agent doing all of the bac endnd on your. Yeah, on the pen Oh just the pen. Well, I mean, also built my website and everything, but yeah, well yeah It's actually a beautiful website Then I believe. Th I believe. Yeah.. But no like if you submit a form O you email, the AI agent puts it into the spreadsheet and then sends an email to my publisher to say there's a new pin order the whole world to know about that thing. So you use a thing called Canva make it an even bigger and better thing want to create flyers for that thing, make presentations for that thing, or design merch for that thing. You can do anything. so people can see your thing, feel your thing, love your thing. The next thing you know, it's a thing. Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing. Is's Daredough? A minor. Don't miss the return of Marvel Television's Daredevil Born again. So what's next? Iel liberated. We're gonna take this city back. Oh the medice All new season now streaming only on Disney plus. They're hunting us. It's time we started hunting them. come This should be tons of fun. Marvel Television's Daredevil born again, now streaming only on Disney plus. Hi, I'm Maria Sharapova, host of the Pretty Tough podcast. Each episode, I sit down with high achieving women to discuss the pursuit of excellence without apology This week, model spports Illustrated covergirl and entrepreneur Ashley Graham talks about the time she almost quit. I called my mom and I said, Mom, I just I'm not going to do this anymore. And she told me, No, you are going to stick this out. your body is going to change someone's life. Every decade, you're going go through something different. So be really happy with who you are right now because things change Check out pretty tough newew episodes on Wednesdays. You can watch it on YouTube or listed in your favorite podcast app. There's a little humid robot at the bottom of the pin. How do you feel about humanid robots? I have so many thoughts as's a whole other podcast. Oh, it's this podcast? It's Waveform. This is the one. Um really want them. It's weird because I feel like I'm really excited about this category because I have lived through so many new tech gadgets and hardware, and this is one that we've all seen for so long. We've seen it in cartoons and we've seen it in movies And there's always this promise And so now we see them. they're really being made by these companies or Tesla or Chinese companies, which is my recent YouTube video And we want them to work H. Don't Yes. I know you also have thoughts of like, why is this form? like is this the right form? I don't even care. it's cool it's so fun. I do think it's fun. I have this thing so like you said, Don't know that this will be the most efficient For a functional multip purpose robot, let's say it's in your home or something like that. You just want it in your home and it does things like laundry and puts the dishes away and clean stuff or whatever. Having it be an upright bipedal ten fingered thing with eyes and a head and stuff. It's like it is fun. and you do get that like Jetson's feel or the futuristic C three PO is a tall one, right? in Star Wars like It's cool, but It's also a little bit creepy When we anthropomorphize thingsings that are clearly not human Almost like an ammatronic friend And it has to get through that, um What's the valley called Uncany Uncanny It has to get through that uncanny valley of being a little creepy before it gets to being really nice. I don't know if I'm willing to deal with that I have spoken to so many I spoke to a lot of robotics experts for the book And there's definitely this ool there's a there's a two sides. There are the people that say We should have custom single utility robots that do the things that you're talking about and are really good at them, right And then there's a side that The world is built for humans. This is the form factor This is what we look like. I've been thinking about this a lot I thought, so I agree with that. I also think that we as humans built the world around all of the shortcomings of the human form And we can do better Literally short Like we can't even reach things. Like arms don't extend. Driving is the perfect example for this. right. So you have a car Let's say it's not a sef driving car. You could theoretically have a human a humanoid robot Sit in the driver's seat of your car. and hold the steering wheel and press the pedal and drive it. That's one version of this solution. Now you have it operated carb from a robot But it still has the same blind spots. It still only has a set of eyes on the front. It still only has the reaction time of things that it can see and hear or The car is covered in sensors, covers all the blind spots. It has this neural link that like maps all this information together, can see way further around all the sides of the car and has instantaneous response and doesn't have to move through the steering wheel and the pedal. and it's a much better self driving car. operated by a robot in that case So even though yes, we did design the car form around the human, I think that is actually a limitation that we can do better by designing the single use robots So Yeah, the world may not look the way it does in many years if we have a bunch of really good robots instead of the world like built the way it is I love that idea and I think I see it see you see it really clearly in the book when I I don't know if anyone in the world knows as much about laundry folding robots as I do. Okay. How many CS laundry folding robots have you talked? I have talked to so many. Yeah. I haveve also had a laundry folding robot in my house. W and The interesting thing about the laundry folding robots talking about say yes, there are those demos where it doesn't use hands, right The shirt goes through a different way, it goes through a conveyor belt, it folds, does these things what the humanoid companies want to do and even some other startups that are doing some wacky things with laundry folding They want to give it hands. Yeah And and they train they want to train it on thousandousands of hours of folding Yeah. right? So I had this this robot in my house and it's just two robotic arms. But it doesn't it's like clenching, I keep doing this. L that's how they look grabs. They're like the grabs in like the, you know, in the arcade where you get down in the claw that you don't get the free thing. Which is actually it's probably better for folding things. Kind of, but like some things. S things Yeah if There was a lot I learned so much about the complication of folding laundry. It's really simple for us, right? And there's this idea of Morvex paradox where things that are really simple for humans are really hard for robots and things that are really hard for robots are really simple for humans. robot It struggles so much to fold because it doesn't have the hands, it doesn't have all of the the right moves like when the when the The shirt falls, it doesn't quite know it because every time a shirt falls, it looks different, right? It doesn't know where the arms are, It doesn't know where the neck is.. It could also only fld t shirts, which is a problem, you know for you know, if you only t shirts, it's a problem for people Um ry we just had this argent last week on the podcast about how just about how garments, the nature of fabric and garments are so complex that I have no faith that an ML model is anywhere close to understanding how they work. And that's what was proven by this. And so now you have millions of dollars going into solving a problem of folding garments with are trying to simulate the human way of doing it, right? Like And I like found myself cheering this robot in my basement. It was two giant arms, hooked up to a big laptop,s got all these things. And I'm like standing in my basement like, you can do it. You can fold my t shirt in u ten minutes. you know? Why not create a robot that doesn't have arms that folds laundry a different way? And which we know some companies are doing? Yeah. Yeah, this is exact. And I remember like talking in the Tesla factactory about there are things that they have humans do that robots simply can't do. Like when they have to connect like a hose for some system to another one, it just sort of dangles and the robot just misses it, doesn't like it's trying to calculate the position, has no idea what to do. The human grabs it drabs it connects It's fine. So there are definitely things that are It's probably forever going to be better for humans. Yeah, for the things that are Like small mundane tasks. like I don't want to clean. Like we have robot vacuums. they aren't a human. It's just a thing that rolls around on the ground. That's perfect. That's all it needs to be. Pret the single use robot thing, I think, that gets stronger and stronger in my head every time I think about it. And I think for certain tasks, it's going to make sense for sure, driving, right That one's already here. It took a long time for us to get here But a lot of these other single tasks that we want in our homes It's just so hard. I even like the dishwasher, I know, you know, the scene of the neoobot went viral of doing the dishwasher.ugguggugg Yeah, right? I mean Because that's like a very like the dishwasher was built for a human. I was laughing at your video for like a It took me like half an hour to watch the video because I kept pausing it and laughing so much becausecause it was really it was tough. I'm like thinking about it and it's fine that it's slow because I'm not doing it. Yeah. So it can just happen in the background, but just watching a robot like over I thought was when we were filming it, I mean, I was like, you know, you know, you're alive in this moment and. was like yelling at my producer, David, come over here, like, you know, we can't miss this. It might fall. Gotta get from I thought it was gonna fall into theishwasher, you know? Yeah. And last last week we posted a first one of my first videos on my own YouTube channel, Marcas, I'm really trying to live in your We have a soundboard. I'm aware you have a soundboard. I'm surprised we haven't used it more here. It's very impressive soundboard. I got you That's a new one. That's a new one.' a new one Where was it going? Oh so I wanted to do this story on these Chinese robots, the Unitry G one that you see going viral everywhere on the internet. Yeah, how is that Well, video is doing pretty well, but most people are angry that I'm really talking about the fact that they're all coming from China. I mean The thing that I wanted to talk about there was that we're letting these Chinese robots into the US And we're so worried about Chinese EV's and we're so worried about Chinese phones. But yet like we're like, oh, let's let these giant humanoid robots that are eighty pounds and can do kung fu come into America. ye, that seems odd. And it's really Interesting exploration of why China is obviously ahead of the US on manufacturing these because they're ahead of us on everything on manufacturing in terms of electronics Um But what was just funny, you should watch that one too, It's like, The robot can't do anything. I mean, it can do some things. can do it can dance, which my kids love, and it can do kung fu, which my kids love. But other than that, it just like sat in my house doing nothing. You can do choreographed things Yeah Yeah, I think this is what I've seen about A lot of the AI promises is there's so much training left to do and there's so much learning left to do by the robots that we're sort of selling the promise of the future. I made the humanoid robot that there would not be a single humanoid robot shipped to a customer in twenty twenty six that can do all the autonomous things. Oh it can't Oh yeah. That'site one you're wrong about. I think they will ship. They will ship it. Do you think the one X is gonna get shipped? I think that they will ship it to select few I don't think that I will be. But it won't do all the things. I don't think Markquez is gonna be select for you. No. Let's say this, if I get New Jersey packed. Yeah. New Jersey tech media packed right here. Okay. If one of us gets the one x We have to go, we have to share in New Jersey. hundred percent You know, you're welcome to Try to ask it to do whatever you want. You're welcome to come to my house. Yeah and sit with it in the car. It sounds like you want your humanoids to ride to drive your car. It's going to be really bad at that. We will shut down the town for that. Yeah. So I think they will to answer your question, Alice, I think they will ship them Autonomous, zero chance, no way. Maybe it does one thing autonomously, which is like open the door Maybe it maybe it will do one task autonomously Yeah, we had a A actually that's what we will do You can control my one X from here in your VR headset. Oh yeah I'll just start doing the dishes. Yeah through the headset with the handle. Yeah, that'll be great. We had an Amazon astrobot here for like two or three maybe longer, three or four years. No it's still here..'s still here. It's still here. That's so unfortunate. It's unpluged the poor thing I had one too in my house. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. So you're aware of how bad it is at most things. Like it sort of just roam around being a security camera, which I guess is technically a successful it does what it says it will. But all the other things that it's supposed to be able to do, it would not be very good at. And then it would just kind of trip over things and get stuck on wires. It was this little robot, big wheels. It was just like Alexon wheels to like play music. Yeah That's the closest we've gotten so far which. And the whole idea of like it would take the drink to the to the get like to the other room. Yeah. It no sense to me because like it couldn't grab the drink. A person would have to be in both rooms. Right. At which point you could just ask the person Right, which Yeah. made it a tough sell. Yeah. So yeah, I do I tend to think we are quite far from the humanoid robot future But I'm curious to see how that plays out if it'll be humanoid robots or if it'll be proven right vindicated. It'll just be a bunch of specialized, smaller, really efficient hyper adapted robots for individual tasks everywhere Yourishwasher will just have an arm or the humanoids will just be in factories and industrial settings. Even that I don't think you used to beak humanoid Because even those are like connect this hose or like put the door on the car, at this point it's just an arm. Like we have this robot arm in the studio, which we've put a camera on and we can teach it to do things. But in this factory it doesn't have to learn anything. It just has to grab the windshield and put it on the car or grab the next windshield It doesn't have to be shaped like a like C three PO Yeah, I guess, and that's the argument that Amazon's made too, right? They've got millions of robots and they're not humanoids. We'll see, I'm very curious Um, All right What I have another question about going independent as a media person. because you've done now Writing and video as part of like the Virgegin and Wall Street Journal and having your own YouTube channel, how does that differ? Like what was the choice to go independent? and how does it like compare to being a part of a larger structured corporation? Oh like thirty Yeah, no, like look, I'm only four weeks in. Yeah Well like I'm two months, three months in But we just launched the YouTube channel. We just did that last week two weeks ago Boy, you know, I'm seeing day one Really making it's a lot of work. You've been working hard here. Yeah. ye. it is, you know Video production is one of those things where You probably heard my octopus analogy. You end up wanting to do the video stuff, but there's a ton of stuff around the video stuff that you also have to do now, which is You know, the behind the scenes, the inbox, the accounting, the you know,keeping, the insurance. all that stuff I underestimated that People told me But I really underestimated that work. Um So but now I'm finally getting past some of that where I can actually get back to the content. I mean, I'm launching a book in the middle of all this, which do not recommend. But one of the reasons I did do this was because this book was coming out. I was gonna be on things like this, and I wanted to be able to talk about the new things. So it's called The newew Th. It's called The New Things. Go subscribe. Joanna Etern is the YouTube channel Um A lot of it like truly, you know inspired by people like you for so long, I had been publishing to YouTube and I became really obsessed with videos on YouTube, but a few years ago at the Wall Street Journal because I started realizing This is where the audience is, right? The Wall Street Journal is made the audience is amazing. They're older. They have more money And I felt in many ways, I was not being as accessible to all of the other people in the world that want to know about tech And so I started focusing a lot on my YouTube videos at the journal and those would appear on the Wall Street Journal's website too, but I was really looking at the data on YouTube And More and more, I wanted control over that. I want to control over the audience. I want to control over what we do because you know, you have editors and editors are amazing and I still have some editors that I'm hired and are working with at the new thing Um, But I just wanted the freedom to do even more stuff and to weirder stuff. Yeah. evenven weirder than what you are already. Some of your I really like a lot of the interesting video idea concepts that you came up with and decided to pull off at the Wall Street Journal. I wonder what even weirder looks like. What is your favorite I mean weird. I did I don't know if it's even weirder, but like, I just don't have to ask permission to do certain things. Totally, you know Yeah And you get to sort of experiment with what works because it connects with the audience, but also just what you want to do and just to see if it works. Right. What was the process for coming up with ideas for that audience? Maybe there's a little bit of a different audience for the new thing versus the journal, but how do you come up with an idea of what makes a good video I mean, for me, it's just curiosity. Like if I have a question about something like this book, like I just What does the world look like when AI is everywhere Okay, let's go out and answer that question. Let me go and report that out. Let me go talk to people. let me go test it. I mean, I think the major overlap that both of us have is that we test things. We don't just like go and talk to the companies making it. We wait for us to be able to use a lot of this. And so I want that to be guiding principle of my coverage forever I think the The tough thing about tech is like, It's all overlapping now in so many ways, right So if I want to not, you know, it's like, oh, I mean, I don't want to talk about AI which is not what I want to do, but I think that there might be too much AI coverage. How do I figure out how to put those pieces together in stories that are still interesting to people. Be people can be very oversaturated right now with YouTube, AI YouTube. And's I don't want to only be AI YouTube. I really don't. Yeah. Like I don't want to be just, you know, every day, like here's ten prompts that you can do to That channel is already out there. That channel's already out there. So I think my guiding pr is like things that I'm curious about, things that are going to affect our lives with tech And, you know, not be super technical but be technical enough that I can still talk to the people who love tech, but also like with the same thing with this book the people in our lives that are still curious. We all use phones, like we all use tech How do I help make your life better and explain something to you? Yeah. Do you have a big project idea or a big video idea that you haven't come haven't done yet that you think you could now pull off Or is it aut topops? We need a little bit more time to get up and running. Right now, it's just like get through the book launch. Yes which is through WWVC June I feeling September is going to be very busy. Usually ends up being a little Chaotic. yeep. yeah. So like Yeah, kind of think of a I've talked about this as like this we have the waves of like the off season, the on season, like September will be on, October will be on And then you'll have like J post CES January is a nice la littleittle resting period. sort of here Lick your wounds, reset this year. Yeahah, this year it was like so and pushed back a little bit. It just kind of kept happening, but you can you can sort of think of random new ideas and fun stuff you want to try that isn't. I mean, I have a lot of those ideas that just Figuring out the flow I mean I could talk pick your brain on for hours how you manage all of the different things in the channel. and I'm also writing a newsletter. so that's twwice weekly newsletter, YouTube videos, shorts events, all of those things and how do you think about it all cohesively? I tend to go down the rabbit hole of that often. like content strategy. and I don't have a newsletter and I'm not also doing like a book tour. So I'm mostly just focused on the content strategy for me is like Long form versus short form or now short, long form. That's actually something that's a meta in my head U three to five minute ye long form videos kind of died in the last four or five years. Why do they die? Everyone's optimizing for a long watch time, but want to watch our videos. Casey Neat was talking to me about this and he said Marquz is doing this well. Yeah. ye. I mean, I was doing long shorts, which were kind of weird But want to do or like just have an idea and like you know what People might want to hear me on this and it doesn't have to be ten minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I think that I think we need more of that Okay. so There's a thought for the world thought. Free. Yeah. I gave you a free pen And I give you a free content strategy idea amazing Big news this week for all my Gordon Geckos, my Robin hooters, my Claod Squad Anthropic, which is newly the most valuable AI company in the world, announced it would be going public. That news follows reporting that open AI plans to go public as soon as September, and that that news follows reporting that SpaceX, which alsoso considers itself an AI company will be going public in maybe just a few weeks from now. Welcome to the era of the Omega IPO We are about to see millionaires, billionaires, and yes, probably even the world's first trillionaire created overnight. And yes, it's that guy. This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy G off But all the tech bros who are gonna make all the money, they need our money way more than we need their products. And we're gonna remind you why on todayod Explain from Vox All right, I got a couple of rapid fire questions for you. Oh gosh. feeleel free to take It's about the magic mouse I'm gonna to throw one in there about the MagageicQ. Are you have two of them Is this this isn't your mouse of choice. it is Okay Maybe this isn'tpone is exxplain yourself. Everyone is rolling their eyes. Explain yourself. You intentionally use and it sounds like you have two. so you bought another magic mouse Yeah. Because when I'm charging, I like to have them in and out Now you know you could just get one mouse. and just Right? Like you could just keep using it while it's charging Yeah, it I love the scrolly feel. I like the clicky part. I like it. Okay. H you Have I tried other mousees? Yeah. No, never Never. But do you not like the old mouse? only using the magic mouse. In fact, in nineteen ninety five, when you were two years old and I had my first computer I had a prototype of the magic mouse. They've always had. Jonny I haveve sent it to me. They've had bad mice for a long time actually. Like I have I unboxed some of those old like IMac G three s and the mouse even from those times was notably unique the see through the The plastic see through ones. Yeah It's awesome mouse. It's an awesome mouse. I mean, it's just cool looking. I don't know. Thank you. than you Thank you. insane masress. Okay. Yeah Yeah, desktop or laptop person. Am I gonna be canceled for the magic mouse stuff. this out. I No, we have I'm not gonna name names, but we have people who work here. It's me Michael also. We like the magic Magic. I knew that we shared a bond except for this whole basketball thing that you're always talking about. It's just something about the magic mouse that brings out Yeah. I just get mad for no reason. Maybe John Turnis is the first thing he's going to do. No, that's actually huge. Wait, he has to know the magic mouse is bad. He's a product guy He has to know the magic mouse' b. Markays, please talk into the mic. Tim cook. I was like I couldodcast alert. I would cast alert here. Did you see, you've seen the clip where I asked him Cook about the magic mouse and he's like, we make a mouse like that He hasn't thought about that in years. Tim. Wh I haven' seen Turnnus one. Well, I haven't asked him about it, but I know that he knows to him first. He knows the Magic mouse is bad. Of course he knows it because he also has two and this is exactly what he does. He takes over it don know if that's true. That's not, I've not reported that out Please as a reporter, I will confirm that actually Apple PR will not contin. September first, when he becomes a new CEO, I'm starting a countdown timer to when Apple releases a good mouse Okay. because there's a lot of stuff I want Apple to make that's maybe at the top of my list. And honestly, I'm fine with that mouse just having a port someplace else. That would be a really nice start. Right? Yeah. I mean, Alice agrees. Even if that's the only change they make Even if it's still an ergonomic nightmare, just move the port. Okay. Do you have hands How is it an ergonomic nightmare? Becauseuse it's sh. I have like a hand that is maybe three times the size of the hand they designed it for. That's trueue. That's true. So what if they just made Magic Mouse XL? Yeah, what if they made Magic M? That would solve one of the critical issues. Ultra. Oh yeah, Magic Mouse Studio Yeah. That would solve one of the two horrible things about the Magic Mouse they twenty seven thousand dollars to get that mouse. What would you buy it No, I would just use an MXmaster, which is just fine. because if you spend an extra six hundred dollars, it has wheels All right,m in. No mag. Stainless seel. It's little feet It just walks around. little little scuress And a tail. I'm pretty sure John Turnis is listening and taking. He's got it right now. John, if you just watched this part of the podcast, Magic Mouse two, please, you can do wonders Okay, raapid fire laptop Rapid fire. lap laptop or desktop. Laptop always. Laptop, always. Okaykay. No desktop at all I have a I have a Mac mini running stuff, but totally. What browser do you use? Are you an AI browser person or are you a regular browser person? I have a lot of browsers. Right now, Chrome Vvertical tabs. I know you have a lot of feelings on that. I like Chrome. I like I've heard a lot about Arc on this podcast. I don't know what those I guess. Arc is nice. A is not with the AI brows But it is the beautiful functional browser that a lot of us like But then there's like the perplexity comment. I've been using comment a lot. Okay. Yeah. I've been using comment a lot You know, here's the true story. I used Microsoft Edge for a long time on a mac It hurts people, it hurts when they say it They had this great feature called collollections. Everyone else ripped off, but you could group your ab or you could group your shortcuts together and it was amazing, especially like when I was working like I'd be working on a project like the book and I'd have ten documents and ten different things and I just wanted them in one collection. like a tab group. It's a tab group but it's saved Oh, okay. so okay, it's persistent. Yeah, it's like a bookmarks manager, but it was better than that. And then every other browser was like, we'll add that and then they were like finally know ge. Yeah. I don't knowes. Okay. Can I share it quick? I've never met someone else who uses Perplexity Cment. I don't use it anymore, but I wanted to share the last time I used Perplexity comomet which was me asking it to search. I gave it a bunch of things that I was making a mood board. And I was like, can you go and collect these images for me And I giveave it this big list of everything I was looking for and And it's like, go out and find these images. And it came back and it found me twenty images And I was like, that's fantastic. And I was like, was it pictures of the magic mouse? Sure. For your mood for a story, it could totally be. But then I asked it, Okaykay, now, here's an updated version of the list go out and find images. and it said, I don't have the ability to find images.. And I spent an hour where it was just like, I can't do this, Ellice. I don't have image ability It like, you did it. The are the images you found me. And then I was just like, I deleted it off my computer. I was like I used comment a lot in the book because it became like a reporting assistant where I could say wrrite to this company, see if they're willing to do an interview about this, and it could just do that in the browser C it's good. And I'm testing personal computer by perplexity now, which Pretty good too. We gotll red downownoad it. Yeahah. yeah Okay, sorry. Th are not rapid fire. Task app or pen and paper. Both Both Yeah. like I what to use When I'm doing something, like if I have like a day of video publishing, I have like a lot of things to do or you column or whatever Im have going that day I have lots of tasks that I need to do at the moment. They're like immediia tasks, and I write those on a paper on my desk. I have this crazy Nion to do list thing that I've made. It's really not great. Do you use notion for to dos now? Not for to dos. We use it for project management for like a per video basis. Yeah, so do we we started doing that and And then just because I was like, o, I'm already here Let me tried to use the AI to build a to do list thing. and it did a pretty good job, but because I'm also doing meeting notes in there, so I'm doing a lot in there right now.. like has a big list and that's like further it's like Stuff I need to do for the day, but it's not like I need to do at this hour. Okay That's a yeah, good distinction H U I haven't used a pen paper in years, I think It'inces nineteen ninety two Basically. phone phone in your pocket right now No It's in my backpack on the side., whichich one is it It's a iPhone seventeen Pro if you had to use a different phone whichich one would you pick iPhone seventeen Pro Max It's a good answer. What if you couldn't use what if you couldn't use any pro? What if you couldn't use anyiPhone? Samsung galaxy? No, I'd probably do a pixel I don't know. I have been trying to I have been playing around with a lot of the Android foldable phones Yeah My issue and I'm sure I'm going to have the same issue with the foldable iPhone It' very big for me. Yeah. well, it's interesting the way they're trying to allegedly allegedly. It's going to be like this much smaller Yeah, passport style and then wider. So it could be smaller in finger pocket better than the current pro. Yeah I just do a lot of texting on the fly when I'm commuting and stuff like that. and then it's like, okay, I'm putting it in my pod is too big. And then I love being able to open it up and do much more with the bigger screen. But I don't take advantage of that in that many scenarios And I think I would more if I actually had a smaller footprint Interesting U how fast can you type the alphabet eighty bods per second. Is is your keyboard of chice? So it's a bit of a trition around here for our guests on Waveformform to simply type A through Z fast as they can. It doesn't matter. We have a leaderboard, no pressure. You'll have three tries And we also offer any of these fine beautiful keyboards over here if you' like I don't know if you ty I win. No, if you want to get a faster score, if you type faster on any of these keyboards, we can swap it out. No, I think I can do it that Oh boy No pressure. I'm going point my microphone You just so the way this works, so before you take your three attempts. the way this works is you as soon as you type the letter A, it starts counting Yeah. and you just go ABC to E. If you miss a letter, you still have to hit that letter and then that's how you get all the way through Z Can I type something else No, no, I'm gonna I can do this. I can do this. You got this. The first one, you'll just figure out how it works, and then the next two you'll loalck in. All right, ready? Im ready G got your first Y. F first Rdeo. So now you've seen it. ten point five. Okay. I won't tell you the scores unless you want to hear them. I see it says best time right under five Oh, no, that's as I did earlier. But You have two more shots. You did it earlier. I just did it to make sure it worked. But we have a leaderboard of everyone who's ever been on the podcast and Well, you're at the top. O you're on there at five. so I know at least. My official time might be slower than that. I don't remember. They'll find the leaderboard, but you got got extra shots to get even faster All right, yeah, we go again. G for it I'm going to go again E startarted How do I I can hit entter and restarts? Okay, gotot it. All right ye Sound effects, go I'm growing again Is that how it works? I think Yeahah, just send it, just send itnt T dy so much slower this time. Do doinging better when I wasn't looking at the Abe like homeome road just like banging keys or are you trying to like I'm trying to touch type, but like then I realize some of them are in weird plac. You realize you skip a letter and then you're like, oh, I hit that. that's what's Yeah, you got to make sure I'm like oh, I'veved on and it's like, oh no, like, you didn't get could be. Be I should just be looking at the screen and touch typing without looking at the keyboard. Yeah. That's high difficulty Also, you know, this make me realize like my kids don't how to type. of have an eight year old who does not know how to type M what about on a phone screen? On a phone screen, kind of, but or on an iPad, but like mostly they just do voice Oh that is And I'm really upset about it and I'm gonna start working with him on Saturdays on typing. 'Cause something we talked about is something that quote kids these days don't know anymore. They don't really have to know file structure or how that files are even a thing And they also don't really have to know how to Google things. and I guess they don't I really have to know how to type very much. No. wow I mean, they're not a type like Um, They not they not a type emojis Of course. That's important. 'cause you can't just say well, you could't say the emoji, but you gota really find the perfect one. All right, one more time. Go for. It's very embarrassing Okay, I beat my time there. nine point three nine point three. lock it in. All right, I feel like if I did this a few more times, I would be way better. Totally. I think that's usually I think we prove I'm a human. On the post. I pin on. Yeah, exactly. That's very important Uh do you want to know Leaderboard scores or do? Yes, I do. Okay. Is there anyone good on the leaderboard? It's in slack. I think I'll tell you who's around you in your time. Let's see. I got a DM from Adam Boom, okay. your nine point three is exactly in between our own cinematographer Brandon. and David Blaine Wow nestled right between those two. David Blaine doesn't have magic tricks to be faster. He He was also like, I'm going to be super slow and then he got faster and faster as he went. Well, I mean, I feel like I would also Okay, tell me what you are. What I ended up this is the the whole leaderboard. U Clelio' at four? Yeah. That's amazing. Tom Scott three point five. Inane Some people are just insanely fast typists. but' didn't Tom Scott do it on like his Dell laptop? Yeah, It was like like his keyboard was the last. I'm coming back and I'm gonna practice. This is not good. That's good. No, that's perfect. I would really love to come back with the one X robot Maybe they'll type. I don't see how fast they can type. Joanna, thanks for coming on. Thankks for talking to me. And I'm gonna to point people towards watching your videos and reading this book because I think it's all It's all very interesting. What people need to about the best AI wearable in the world? And of course, well, they can get their hands on this wearable if they get the book, of course. That's right. And they can I noticed you stopped wearing it I can't I feel I feel bad lying You can't put it on No, I just It would imply that, oh, you feel bad lying that you're I see. Okay. Yeah. so true. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get Marquz to wear it. Yeah, you should get I'll give him the pin. getet the real Marques to wear it. and I so appreciate that Marquz bot for you being so honest here. I appreciate the p. I will what we should really do is a test. Can you fold your t shirts? I can't fold anything. Yeah No. I just kind of C fold laundry I haven'tld No. actually genuinely know. I can put stuff on hangers sometimes.. But yeah, I avoid the folding stuff. Yeah, we should test that. It would really be that's the turning versus CES robot. That actually is basically the turnring test. The capture means nothing