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That sounds like something. Yeah, vanilla would say Dig Vanilla. Dig vanilla wants you to believe it . Yeah, it's up people the Inter ofnet, welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your host, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. I'm David. This week, we've got one's back. Oh yeah, everyone's back. Everyone's got Everyone, everyone is actually officially here back to your regular regularly scheduled programming for real, for real, no cap on God . Actually, our last episode, in case you missed it, was a bonus episode where we explained tech sorry, we explain the NBA in tech terms. I really schooled these guys. But also kind of for some people explain tech and NBA terms if you're like, if you're up on ball and you want to know more about tech. That's right. By the end of it, we were just talking ball. Yeah, there's a great comment that's like by the end of this video, I will either know about basketball or know nothing about technology. Yeah. It was great. I highly suggest you check it out if you haven't already. But now we're back to regularly scheduled programming, which means we can talk all the news. The steam machine got a launch and a price and we got a lot to say about that. Also meta launching cheaper sunglasses without their rebend branding and we got our first look at the twenty five thousand dollars slate truck , which I have many thoughts on. So I also got to drive it, by the way. And nothing phone four B. So yeah, we'll talk about it all. But first , have you subscribed? See what I did there? Usually you expect me to go into the Digital You've been tested, but well that's just w makeanna sure everyone subscrib ed. If your subscribe button's red, right? What's it start out as you should test it and see what happens? Red dit. It changes colors so much on mobile. It might not happen. I don't know how to color it. Like rainbow sometimes . I think it might be black now. We didn't test this interest this CTA out very well. By the way, I hate the new mobile app not showing light counts anymore. I just want to say I hate it. I got it now. It's on my phone. We had this conversation. It's hitting my phone. I hate it. Anyway . Make sure you subscribe to the Waveform podcast. We appreciate that. Okay, now . Did they even test this? Did you even test this? I've got this one. Okay. In fact , I am this one. Oh , because last week , I exclaimed from the rooftops that Android seventeen's the best IFLY ever because it got rid of at a glance it was gone already . I really doubled down on this too. You said, believe me , I would never not just that tested this for the next morning or Friday morning, Rufus goes , the pod was up for twenty minutes. And Rufus goes, there's a comment that says it was out in sixteen. I was like, No, it's not , even I didn't turn around . And then I saw another one and I was like, oh my god . Yeah, I remember we talked about this a while ago in one of the sixteen betas that they were testing and I didn't download the beta but, I was like, oh, it's gonna come and I guess I just never looked again . And when I was looking through things in ' seventeen , that little froze is just sitting there looking at me and I was like, can I get rid of you? And I could. And I assumed it was seventeen. I was wrong. I'm sorry, I will live in shame. We didn't change the name of the episode Rider. Yeah, for sure. Yes. But yeah, I still like seventeen so far, even though most of it is just getting rid of all the stuff they've screwed up in the past and making some of the colors a little nicer. There's a gaming virtual touch screen and bubble for me and a bubble bar rel nice bubble bubble bubble. My Android seventeen top five features video will be live by the time this podcast goes up so you'll see all of my thoughts. It is actually kind of confusing researching and going through the Android seventeen features because some of it is Android seventeen features. Some of it is June Pixel drop features that also make it to Android sixteen . So in the research you have to be very careful about what stuff is new to the June pixel drop that's also going to sixteen versus what's new specifically to ' seventeen. And there's also new stuff coming to seventeen that's not here yet that they talk ed about IO like Rambler and the create my widget with natural language and all that other stuff. Yeah. But anyway, seventeen is out if you have a pixel and you want to download it now. So go check it out. All right , o,kay where should we start? Slate truck feels like a good place to start with do it. It was twenty five thousand dollars pixel truck. Less truck. We're talking about a lot of prices . Lots of prices this episode. Yeah, lots of prices. Actually, almost everything has to do with braces. Oof . So this one is weirdly actually also kind of polarizing. So I'll jump into what the slate truck is and then what's polarizing about it. So the slate truck, the idea of it is it's this ultra modular electric mini pickup truck type of thing, where it comes as an ultra stripped down, super, super basic, like no power windows, no speakers, just basic truck cabin , and then you can add on the modules that you want to build it up to exactly how well equipped you want it to be. So the starting price of the blank slate, pun intended , is just south of twenty five thousand dollars US . That'll get you rear wheel drive, sixty five kilowatt hour battery, one hundred and eighty ish horsepower, and so it'll do zero, sixty in like eight seconds or something and then get up to ninety miles an hour. I think it'll haul about fifteen hundred to two thousand pounds. It'll tow two thousand pounds. And it has a five foot bed, five foot long anyway, but it's narrower because it's a small truck. Who can sleep in a five foot bed, damn. Well, it's definitely not a bed bed. David, you weren't slept in a coffin. Yeah. , it's a longer. It's a five foot long truck bed. It's a two seater at the front, and it has a lockable front trunk. It's slate gray, no paint. You can wrap it with vinyl instead if you want to change the col or. Steel wheels, seventeen inch wheels , fixed suspension . I got to drive it. It was fairly firm , but overall like pretty compliant. We did some rougher roads and it was going over bigger bumps and it was fine. So yeah, it was this like zippy little truck that is extremely minimally equipped and then tons and tons and tons of optional accessories that I haven't seen the price of all of them yet but I',ve started to see prices of some of these accessories coming out . So it's this really basic blank slate . One of the craziest things is you can actually attach this like roll cage to the back and add seats to the back to create a five se ater SUV like a Bronco and you can do it like after you buy it DIY. Like you can buy it as a pickup truck and then DIY bolt this thing out. I don't love the term DIY offers throw there for like kids in the back seat. Yeah but, it is definitely there and ready. It's a concept. It's an interesting concept. I was thinking about Slate Truck this morning, and I'm sure someone's made this analogy already, but it kind of makes me think of the spirit airlines of EV's because the economy. You're just like RIP. Whoa, this ticket is so cheap . I'm basically losing money if I don't take it. It's like I want to bring one, I want to bring my backpack up charge. Yeah , I want to have a drink upcharge. I want a radio in my truck, upcharge. It's just like really cheap seems so cheap off the river . And then you're like, well, here's all the things I basically need to be comfortable on this flight and it pops up . It's not a bad thing. Sometimes that is the best way to go. Yeah, when you don't need the upcharge stuff. Yeah. So that's what's been polarizing about this vehicle. I'll just jump right into it. There's been a lot of commentary about it online. We published auto focus video with all the stuff in it . People are saying both this is too expensive and this is too cheap. Too cheap. Like cheaper than expected and more expensive than expected. Both sides are coming out. Well, it doesn't have ramen it is so it can't be that expensive. So the side that's say iting's twenty five thousand dollars, it's too expensive. It should have been twenty thousand are mostly people looking at roughly equivalently priced gas trucks. Like if you go find the cheapest Ford Maverick, for example, starting somewhere under thirty thousand dollars . It has a ton of these features included, like the lining of the truck bed and the power windows and the speakers and the screen and the radio, all the stuff that's included . That is fair You get okay . To be clear, the slate truck s are the blank slate is five star safety rated estimated. They're planning on actually finishing the telescope, but they're saying it's going to be that's how this works before you get to production. And this is a five star podcast. So it is supposed to be a five star rated safety truck and it has all of the things required by law. Like you actually have to have a backup camera required by law for new vehicles in the U so it does have on that tiny little screen a reverse camera. That's cool. So obviously like things like airbags and the center console, all that stuff. Having this is like the base, like we talk about cars base. This is like literally the base of it which is funny. But in their little video they posted, I think it was this morning , it's showing everything that comes with it normal and it's really funny watching them have to really pull for like what's on here like locking frunk. You said that before. It's like good that I open it locked. Lock. There's one thing here, cup holders as like a feature in the thing about the locking front . Half of the EVs that come out today don't have a frunk at all. That's yeah, it's nothing but it's not, I'm not saying it's nothing. It's just funny that it locks. Also couple holders is on here twice. Yeah. Wait, you're right. Two USB C ports. Yep, charger six. Yeah, I don't what's the latch system? The latch system is basically the rail system that lets you add things to the just meant had a latch on the back No, plywood sized bed . Yeah. Well, the thing is, it's generally a piece of plywood's four by eight. And the thing is it would have to be open, which is fine. That happens for some people or stacked up. The confusing thing is the wheelbase between the bed is like forty two inches and a general piece of plywood forty eight inches wide. So it would have made the top of the wheel well flat so it could sit on that, but then it's like teetering. I don't know. It's kind of weird. It kind of holds plot wood. Okay. Yeah . So yeah, it's it's got the basic stuff and a lot of people are saying, well I can, get a maverick and it'll have all that stuff, plus all the basics like speakers, et cetera, for twenty eight, twenty nine thousand dollars. Backrove seeds. And they are correct about that. Yeah. But on the other hand, there are people saying, wow, twenty five thousand dollars . That makes this the cheapest new truck in the US and it's the electric one. That's kind of crazy. All the most expensive vehicles are electric because the battery is the most expensive part. You'd expect the cheapest truck in the US to be a g as truck, but they've stripped out all this extra stuff and then you can add back exactly what you need to make it functional to you. So yes, if you're thinking, I would get the Maverick because I need speakers power, windows, truck, bedlining, all this other stuff , then you might actually be crush up in those things. But a lot of people, you imagine like someone's first EV for their kid, like a fleet truck or they're justinging spr around lawn mow ers or random equipment and don't really need all the luxury electric features you see in a lot of bells and whistles, they might not need to buy power windows and all this other stuff . So it is more economically viable to get the cheaper . So I see both sides of it . I'm very interested. I think it's going to be fascinating to see the prices for the modules and the vinyl and the customizations and how much it costs to build the slate truck that you want. This screams to me like fleet of local pool cleaners or local pest control people, like things where like it probably would be beneficial to put a bunch of chemicals in a ed outside potentially long things that have to hang out the back of the truck. Hoses. Yeah, but like as long as you have AC, they probably have like headphones or something. Like get a bunch of those and like throw it in there and then get a little wrap on it that says pool guy. Exactly. Get the vinyl wrap. Yeah, most of the time is not being spent in the truck. The truck is just going from location to location. And every single morning you park it at the shop and plug it in and it starts every morning with a full tank of gas quote unquote. The sixty five kilowatt battery getting two hundred and five miles is actually almost forty more miles than they originally were promising. They're going to be somewhere like one hundred sixty miles of range or something. So two hundred plus . But now they're not offering the two hundred and forty . Right . So they're all now down to one drive train option. Yeah. There's talks of like maybe an all wheel drive version of the future they wouldn't tell me that 's real. So it's just this one. Just real wheel drive, two hundred miles of range. And it's actually pretty zippy. I'm not gonna lie. Really? I mean, you don't think about zero to sixteen eight point seconds as a quote fast vehicle, but it's electric. It's all the torque all the time. And so you kind of zip around like a golf cart . It's fine. I think five miles seems kind of low. It is. It's also the cheapest truck in America . So it is like, okay, how much are you gonna drive if you're doing the fleet thing? Are you driving around a neighborhood? Do you put two hundred miles on it in a day? Probably not. This doesn't make sense for like my dad who's like he's like a carpenter and because he only really does work like locally, locally. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You're not road tripping with this. No. And like two hundred miles in a day is a pretty solid amount. Yeah. I think most Europeans would be like, You guys are insane if you're trying to head to it. You drive across the country? Most Europeans are like, What the hell is a mile? What's a truck? Three hundred kilometers . Lots of questions for these people. Yeah. I'm interested in the so like everyone's like they did it. They did two hundred fifty or so twenty five thousand dollars. Yeah. There's even a they're like responding to it. There's a comment on YouTube that said massive respect for the team for the base price. They said, we said it, we meant it . It's a something I'm intrigued to see where it goes because they haven't fully built the factory out to produce these yet, right? Yeah. So we're a while away from seeing them. Correct, this is what I was saying. Prices are fluctuating all the time. The Rivian has changed , like before that came out, the price changed like three times. It changed and they had and they tried to make everyone with reservations pay the new price and they got a ton of backlash and had to do that. So this has the interesting thought though of can they keep the base twenty five even if prices change , but then change the prices to all of the accessories in there and make up some margins on that because I'm still super intrigued how many people are going to buy this at twenty five base base and how many people are going to buy this at thirty to forty with or more things they basically consider necessities To be fair, like building out a car that has all the necessities but it gets to be spec exactly how you want it all gets to look exactly how you want it. Like it's the lego of trucks. I think that's kind of project door Yeah.,ject Pro . I think a lot of people like David's dad are gonna just order this base thing . Like I know people that have small businesses stuff they're like, I don't care about if it has power windows or freight . My dad still has caned cranks. Yeah. Drive around built This is the cheapest truck in America. Even more so. They don't have to care. They don't have to care for their employees who are all driving it also. It's like that's true. Not my problem. I don't need AC. Play it put the radio off your phone app. It does come with AC. It does have AC, which is yeah, I do think that it's a really good point that they don't have a finished factory. These are not actively being manufactured yet. So this is all technically TBD, which always makes me nervous with EVs every day. But they're saying they're going to ship it this year. So in a couple months at quarter four, they 're in a shoes. Yeah, they don't have a factory. Well, they have a factory that's almost they have a factory that has built the trucks that I've seen and driven, but these are like finishing prototyping, like almost done. Yeah . And when they start to roll them off in quarter four, that'll be like final. We'll see. So they're tooling, they're finishing, building the factory, and they have the space , they just need to get over that hump and actually ship the thing . So that's the TBD, that's the big asterisk. There is a tweet here from Speed Sport Life, someone who's in the maker of the slate truck, who has seen basically some of the prices of the modules. So the wraps, for example , they start at five hundred dollars for a full vinyl wrap of certain like base colors. They'll go up to more expensive like fifteen hundred six hundred dollars for a wrap diamond . But that is just materials . You do the installation yourself. That's why we were trying to figure out why it felt boy . So then I go to the next page . There are the integrated speakers. So you can get the front left and front right for one hundred and fifty and you can get the center channel for two hundred and fifty more. So there are no speakers by default no speakers by default . So two hundred bucks. I mean , that's yeah, that's a big expensive Bluetooth speaker. I guess that's about in line. Does the route come with like a debrand kind of thing that you put over the car and just instantly repeat ? It is obviously it'll be pre cut. I imagine the hard part is actually installing it. Like just getting it off the paper and like sticking it on the truck is I mean you can give it to a professional or you can do it yourself depends on how good of a job you want it to be a big task. If you have to bring it to a professional already, I would just bring it to a professional and get the wrap there and not deal with. Well, they're going to charge you for the materials that they buy and the labor. Yeah, but so now provide the materials that's that's way less that you're pay ing. I don't know the breakdown of what's materials versus labor, but I assumed a wrap place most of that was labor . Probably most of his labor but you still do they go out and acquire servir. And so they have to upcharge you for that as well. Yeah. So yeah, it's at least cheaper to, but I imagine a lot of people will try to do it themselves here. There's also a page here for the truck lining. You can get a more durable , versatile truck lining, seven hundred and fifty dollars if you plan on what is a lining? It's like a bedliner. Yeah, a bed liner. One bed boss structural bed floor with integrated tie downs install,s without drilling , five feet by five feet . Yeah. How about that ? I want my tie down to be installed without drilling. I think the bedliner is installed without drilling. And then you tie things down to the bedliner. That's installed without drilling. Yep. Yeah, that sounds scary. I know I'm just missing something but that latches There are latches . Can I ask a question about this truck that I'm confused about? And I would go to Europe for two weeks and now we hate trucks Look, Lisa has always hated trucks. I also want to say when I was in Wales , one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life, shocking amount of trucks. I had always heard that it was very hard to get and they none of them had like F one fifty sized beds, but they had crew cabs and were sizable vehicles. And I was like, I was always told that these were not here , and there they were. Thank you, Wales. How do you wire this truck in a factory? That's what I'm really confused about. Like for example, so there's like I understand the idea of power windows optional, right? Because those are motors that you have to put in and install. That's great . But is the wiring already going through the whole system? Or is it the same thing with the speakers? It's like I understand in theory that you could put in and take out speakers, but does the is there an amp are the active speakers? The amp is in the speakers and then you just run power to them. How does the audio signal get is it wireless? And it's like yeah part of it makes me wonder like there are things in this car that are actually cheaper for them to put in because they have to already run the wiring all through the vehicle in the factory or there's obviously something I'm missing here. So I was told that there are pins and there is wiring pre, existing wiring for power and data in certain places. So for example, one of the speakers is an it's a small like JBL Bluetooth speaker. Right. I saw that and all it needs is power. So you buy, it's already wired for power to the pins. And if you get that accessory , you pop it onto that pin and then everything else for the speaker is in that speaker that you bought. Interesting. I think some other accessories are requiring pins that are again in certain locations that have data and power running to them already. Interesting. There is no screen option. There's just like the screen behind the steering wheel, which is your speed, your range, and your odometer and basic stuff, your reverse camera. And so they don't like have wiring for display or anything else of that sort. You just get a m ount for either a phone or an iPad . Pricing this thing from the business's perspective must have been such an interesting challenge because you don't want to make the blank slate too expensive, but at the same time , it does feel like at a certain point you may have to charge people for things that they won't use, i. e. the wire running through the frame. And I don't know how expensive it is to run wiring through a car frame. That could be like a non factor. I think in m ath, the goal, I mean, they've preached about how many preorders they have and how much volume they want to do. I think the goal is likely just that the bigger your scale, the lower the cost of that incidental wiring . And so you can still sell something cheaper if they don't use having one skew and making a zillion of them is always cheaper, well not always, but generally cheaper than having multiple skews and making less of each of them. Shout out to the industrial engineers at Slate because these are pricky, interesting, thinky problems that would make my brain hurt . And the final product to have you back . The final product, I think is, pretty cool. Do you guys think the aesthetics are I like ? I think they're kind of nice. Yeah. There are definitely people who think it's ugly as well. I like the product looking like but I think it looks kind of I think some of the yeah the like the top off seats like old Bronco roll cage kind of thing is sick. I think this is also cool because like there are lots of people who don't want a truck as their daily driver but want something with a bed. Like my brother in la w has like a nineteen ninety two F one hundred fifty that like only half the gas tank fills up and that's because like once every month he needs to like pick some crap up and like move it around and like it just rots pretty much . So like yeah having something that's really cheap as a base and who cares? Like that might be the thing I go pick up that crap on Facebook marketplace with or get the dryer from Home Depot and bring it home like it's obviously bigger than like a Japanese key truck, K truck. However it's but at least it's smaller than like Arrivian. You know what I mean? Yeah. What's funny is the length of the bed is the the same as Rivian. So it's like a five foot long but it is shorter. It is narrower. It's narrow because the truck is narrower. You know what's funny about this? When they launched it or not launched because it hasn't launched it, when they announced it, I was super excited for it. And then the more time that went by, I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't know if they're going to be able to hit the price. I don't know if we still don't know, but now that it's like a thing, you went and you saw the car, I feel like they might do it. They had that price up there in like shiny numbers. They put lights on that price. They were like, it is definitely twenty five. I've seen that before. Yeah, I was gonna say I like trying not to be biased. I think it's really sick. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna go spend twenty five thousand dollars on a secondary car. I ain't that kind of guy. I already gotten our two on order I think this is really cool. Forty thousand . I'm going to be extremely skeptical of this because how many trucks have we seen that are coming out end of this year for the last five years? Yeah, I feel like there's there's like stages of how close to release are you and we've seen lots and lots and lots of cool ideas everyone from Faraday Future to the Tell,ouck to T ther, Aptera to this have all gotten to the stage of showing it to us and even letting us drive it . And that's it. They never actually ship one and sell one. So I'm my fingers are crossed. I like the idea, I'm rooting for it, just like I'm rooting for a lot of the others. But it is true that we've seen many get this far and not make it. Having been through the thirteen years of drama with my streetly manifesto album getting delayed, I didn't bring it up this time. These things are not out until they're out. So we'll stay where until shipped. Exactly . But didn't it come halfway out? Came halfway out yesterday. Halfway out. I thought it was only two songs. It's two more songs. They released three demos a year ago. They mixed the demos finally, and then they released two more songs. So now there are five songs out, but it's half of the album, and it's half. So it's not out unless it's out it's not out in the . So that's more out than like the roadster. It's like yeah for sure out than not for sure yes but it's not full and they're bangers to be clear only g.iv Whesich you hope that the rest will be good. The rest is gonna be a grace from God. Okay. I guarantee you. Wow. It's like playing, I don't know if it was a good analogy, like a roaster, yeah, it came out. And you could buy it more sit in it. Yeah, more than the seat. I would say hmm. Didn't you say there's a four wheels? The car needs to work in order to drive it, whereas half of a Street Manifesto album is still part of like it would be like if the roadster came out . It only had like a fraction of the battery. Yes. And one of the motors worked. Isn't that hot? Okay, that's a good analogy. And it could only turn right . Yes . So that's how I feel right now. It's still gray. I'm still happy . Yeah , but it's not out until it's fully out because it's getting albums in tech terms. Incarnations. It's been delayed for thirteen years, Marquette. Is there a conspiracy that 's a weak child? It's gonna be on the GTA six radio so it can't come out until GTA six. Exactly. It won't be out to November. Yeah . Speaking of GTA, speaking of GTA . We got a price. Yeah . eighty dollars , which is less there've been a lot of bets by the way, , about whether or not GTA would be over a hundred dollars because they've been working on it for so long. ADVELON OF THEY I'm sorry if you can't afford this. I'm sorry. Anyway, there's a deluxe edition that's one hundred dollars. Okay. Whether well, I assume it just comes with extra digital assets or something. It delays it six months. It delays . I don't know if purchases micro transactions. I'm sure there will still be DLC on top of the deluxe edition because they got to juice it. Yeah . But yeah, I mean, they say that it is now coming out in November. If you buy the GTA? Yeah, GTA. Wow. Yeah, they say. Apparently, according to this Reddit comment, so take it as you will. There's a bunch of in game stores and vehicle mod shops that are locked unless you have the ultimate dollar. Oh , that is so dumb. Come on, it's GTA, the whole point is tight. Read a comment so I'm not sure. If it was real GTA, you could steal from GTA. Yeah , that's right. Wait just hold the cat up . You'll see it's crazy. This is not too different from the slate truck. Is all I'm saying? No, the slate truck is I think it's a big difference. And the slate truck you can add any accessory at any time , at any point after you buy it. Yeah. But it sounds like with GTA, there will be parts that are locked out if you start at the wrong basis. I almost guarantee you they'll allow you to upgrade to the ultimate. Oh yeah, I'm sure dollar to thirty dollars. They'll charge more . They might charge even more just to make you want to buy the ultimate edition upfront. Fair enough. Yeah. So people were excited for that. I personally don't care at all because I've never played a GTA game, but I'm excited for all you people. It's funny is I also have never played a GTA game, but I'm really looking forward to it. Or you're looking for a play. Yeah, I'm gonna play it. Oh wow. It seems like a fun game. We need your from trailers. Only from trailers. Wait, you do know you could play the other ones while you wait. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Do you think five do you play on your freaking refrigerator? Five's been off for so long, but I wear. It's almost like backyard baseball where it's like I could either if I start getting my fixed now, I'm going to be waiting for GTA like even more like on the seat of pants. So I'm just gonna wait. I'm just gonna not play GTA until six comes out and then have a good time. It'll be fun. I'm excited for it because when the first one came out, my now brother in law played it for so long that his he was in college and his car got stolen, but he didn't know it was stolen because he was playing the game for like three days straight. And then went out and I was like , where's my got grandpa? He got grand thefta . So now I wanna see if this is going to be a pattern. That's literally if somehow it will get stolen again. Your grand theft auto your grand theft auto. It's trying to take an entire week off work for this game. So wow. Yeah . I can confirm according to this article from Radio Times, the Reddit comment was correct about what? There will be certain things that are locked away unless you get the ultimate addition. Like locations in game. Locations . Vehicle mod shops, classic car collections, certain vehicles. I think they wanted to charge a hundred dollars, but they were like, we can make it technically not a hundred dollars This is freaking grand theft fortnite over here like service. My thing is I don't care about stylist or like visual skins costing extra money when the game's free. Fortnite is free. Yeah . Let them charge for things that are not competitive advantage. Dota, legal legends , valorant. Yeah. If you charge eighty dollars and then you're like you have to pay more money for skins? Or locations ? Like your friends go to a new location and you can't go because you bought the base version. Yeah, if you think we're making fun of Android people in the US, wait until we make fun of the regular GTA dollar GTA people. Yeah. Sorry, Stevie, you can't hang out with us. We're going to the down Deluxe Edition. This game is a hundred dollars . But just like nobody I don't I don't know. I don't think anyone's gonna pay the eighty dollars. I think they just did it because they knew they'd get a lot of backlash if it was one hundred dollars . Listen, Super Mario was like eighty bucks, wasn't it? GTA could charge what I think they were Donkey No. It was what it was Mario Kart . Mario Kart World World eighty dollars . Yeah , this is true. Worth it. eighty dollars, especially with this much anticipation, I think, is probably I'm honestly shocked that it's not more . Yeah. I'm unfortunately shocked that it's not . It's fairly standard pricing. It's expensive as well. But I think it could have been a hundred and it was NBA two K comes out like every year and it's always eighty dollars . Sometimes it's one hundred. Yeah, and there's like premium versions that are one hundred plus yeah. They make the graphics like one percent better. Not even one percent better. It used to be like a big difference. Like between thirteen, fourteen and fifteen, it's like, oh, okay, I can see that the animations are smoother. Now the difference between the roster up to well, the Roser updates is a software update over the air. So you don't even need the roster update. It's literally like a new game mode, better like smoother animations and controls . And in the name of realism, that's like kind of cool, but it's stopped improving at such a rate that it would justify like buying a hundred dollar game every year. Yeah. So I think the last one I bought was twenty two, maybe. Oh , you're still playing that? Wow . You don't even know ball. Well, I have the new rosters. It just goes to the new game . So I just yeah, whatever. Surprised they even like push it to the old game and not just like force about it. Yeah, surprised. I also haven't purchased the two K on launch in a while. I always wait for it to go on sale now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I always buy the base one. We need basketball to get really, really popular in Europe so that the EU puts a stop to this publish. They're the only ones that can stop the two EA can stop EA. No, it's actually it's not actually EA, it's Take two is a publisher. Can we just pretend it's a 'cause that sounded funny? Well, it's funnier because they also do GTA. So it's the same . Nice. Yes. Speaking of pricing, yeah, we got another device announcement, another tech announcement. It's a new nothing phone . Nothing phone four B Okay, interesting. So we had the nothing phone for A . What's the Nothing Phone for B, you may be wondering? Well, it's perfect because somebody who works for Nothing on Twitter was able to explain very clearly what it is. He says, this is from Achus Evangeles . What does the B stand for ? Nothing . It's simply a continuation of our naming system. Numbers represent generations while letters indicate different product segments. No way. So the A series has been our best selling smartphone line bringing the best of nothing's design innovation while focusing on features that matter most. The B series builds on the success of the A series by expanding into a new segment while maintaining a clear product hierarchy. The A series remains our most premium line below our flagship products which don't carry a letter designation , this avoids overusing suffixes and provides a clearer naming structure as a portfolio expands. Hope this is clear. How does say nothing by saying a lot words I don't know what that means at all. It means the word cheaper on their essay cheaper this is yeah this is this is marketing speak for I don't want to say the word cheaper but I want to effectively communicate that this is just a different price tier in the same product line. cheaper. So this guy's never posted anything worthwhile on Twitter, but it's marketing. It's just insane marketing because it's what's funny is he 's right. This naming scheme makes perfect sense. Yeah. It's a naming. It's arguably the best naming scheme out of maybe anything 'cause it's not confusing. Yeah , it makes sense, but like, oh my god, this is a convoluted tweet. Yeah, there's a lot of words to say very little. Yeah, so yeah. When I review the last phones from nothing, I made the point that they kind of can't make a flagship phone at this point because they don't have high enough volume. They don't sell enough phones to like get the low enough part prices to actually make money on a flagship phone or even compete against the Samsungs of the world . So they just don't do it. Yeah. This is maybe more proof of me being right because they add to their lineup in the opposite direction and make probably a compellingly priced phone. I haven't actually learned much else about the phone . I don't know anything about it yet, but yeah, I agree with my old take that they are not planning to make a flagship film. Something we do know is that they're cancelling the nothing phone three four AP, four AP. They're cancelling sorry, nothing phone. The CMF phone. Yeah . Okay, three AP . three A Pro. Okay. They're cancelling. Yeah . And in this is just this is just my theory. The theory that they're the reason they're making the nothing phone three B four B, four B M. Good at this , is that they said the reason they were cancelling the CMF phone was because the RAM would have been half the price of the phone and they just cannot make it at that price. So now the nothing phones have always been more expensive than the CMF phones, right? So if you make a cheaper nothing phone, you're basically hitting the price tier where it's barely marginally able you're able to make a phone at that price, whereas the CMF phone could not do that . So my theory is that they're just making it under the nothing moniker because nothing kind of demands the higher price than CMF. Make sense. Which we've been over this multiple times. Nothing was supposed to be the budget brand and then CMF was the budget budget brand and then nothing has the budget phones from nothing and now there's the budget budget budget 'cause nothing had flagships so then they had the A series which was the budget of the budget but not too budget 'cause it would be CMF like the budget of the budget but not the budget to the budget. Yes, yes, yeah, exactly. And now they've got the B series, which is the budget of these clearly for budget. No, no, no, no, but not CMF, which is the budget. No, the A series is the most premium line below their flagship . That is the greatest line in history. When you're not allowed to go when you're not allowed to say cheaper, that's what you end up saying. Which brings it's our best below our best Are you getting it? Yeah, it's so we get. That's me when I haven't taken care of myself in a while. I'm the best I've ever been expect for when I'm at my best . That's funny too because if you haven't had me at my best, you don't deserve me at my best cheap . Nothing could use the word cheap better than any other company out there because yeah nothing's fandom appreciates a budget for which is so funny that just say like front . This is cheaper. Is a banger tweet? I'm guessing they have like a rule book where they're not allowed to say cheap budget or even acknowledge less expensive because other people have a different definition of what that means. Yeah . And I think that even nothing making a cheaper nothing phone, a lot of people are going to still think it's too expensive. Very competitive markets . So we'll see. I mean, no CMFO, I guess we'll probably get one eventually once open AI collapses as a company . You know, what makes you think that's going to happen? Maybe Sam Altman will carry all the RAM over to nothing at some point and be like, here you go. We're not a company. I don't need this anymore. Yeah, I don't need this anymore. He's gonna put it on Facebook marketplace. All right, I got one last quick little thing before we take the break . Just very excited about RCS as usual , you know , very good, rich communication services. IOS twenty seven beta two just dropped yesterday. Or maybe two days ago, I don't remember. Two days ago. It did fix a lot of the bugs that I had in IOS in the beta one, which is good . But one thing that they added, which is very exciting , is that they upgraded to RCS two. seven. Not fully yet. They added a couple of features with it. But part of the RCS two. seven's standard is the ability to edit and unsend messages. So now wow. Yeah, I know. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm thinking the European Union is on my side today. I'm sticking with Android, baby. So yeah, now you'll be when you're using RCS with Android phones, you'll be able to edit and unsend messages brings it a lot closer to the feature parity with iMessage that everyone wants . Obviously, you know, you're not going to have the iMessage integrations like Apple Cache and stuff like that, but we were very close to the color being the only major differentiating factor, which I think will still matter to people un fortunately. How the hell am I supposed to split my receipt bills? I know. I know. As soon as I ask Siri reduced . Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, that's exciting. RCS getting better. I'm very excited about that. I'm looking forward to whatever the next thing is they bolt onto the side of I message that will not make it through RCS. Yeah . Because right now it's the color obviously, but it's like the stickers , Apple Cache, whatever, whatever games people play in I mentioned , General ames. They're in there. There's some games in there. There are some games in there. But yeah, I don't know if people use them, but we're getting closer. Right now, RCS still only works for me like half the time. It like randomly breaks and sends as SMS. Did you even want to so far? You've messaged me on WhatsApp. Like are you getting my text ? You don't even want to see Adam and Eyes messages. Half of them is just like not sent, not sent, not sent. It's depressing. But one day we'll be in our protocol heaven . I literally can't communicate right now, but one day it will all be better . That's just like a hym problenm, you know ? 'Cause you change phones every five seconds. That's true. Wait, aren't she using a phone that doesn't have half the bands in the US? No, I didn't switch . I wanted to. But on the Appo anymore. What do you want now? What do you want right now? Still my S twenty six Ultra. I was trying the Opo but then I was like five minutes from fully switching over the Google Fi Sim and everything and I was like, maybe this isn't a good weekend to do this. It's not a very busy weekend . I would advise not to do that if you have a lot of communication . Yeah . Yeah. All right, well after the break, we're gonna talk about probably the most controversial thing we've ever talked about on this podcast. And I think no matter what we say, we're going to get cancelled so, get excited. Buckle up, buckle up . Oh, I forgot about that . I forgot there was trivia in this. All right. Trivia, and I'm back with the six pack. Real Ellis trivia in the house. Marques, I'm glad to hear that you said you are going to be sticking with Android because today's first question is for the Android sickos in the room. Okay it's me. The Android Sico. Exactly. So we all know prior to Android ten , they were all desserts . They weren't just desserts, they were desserts in alphabetical order . After Android ten, they switched to numbers. However , the internal cod enames for the dessert, for the operating systems stayed as desserts. Okay . Let's keep going. We're on the same page here. We are . We're yeah. I may have said this exact word h onold video. G theo ahead, keep going. Keep going . Which Android versions number was the one where they reset the alphabet? I got you . I got you Listen to the last episode. No, I was in Wales. I was listening to the beautiful buying of sheep next to my bed. We had this question last week. Not quite. Very similar to the led us to a conversation. It is possible to get this wrong . I probably still will get this wrong. Even though I just listened to us all talk . Sorry, you're saying which is the one where they which is the one where they reset the alphabet. Oh yeah, as we know they got to Android Queen and then they kept going with the codenames. Those codenames at some point reassure the alphabet. By the way , by the way, Ellis does not know about this part . Can I tell the story before? What are we gonna say? Can I tell the story? Go ahead. Okay , this is partially not spelled. Dunk on David. We were talking about the letters and David guessed the dessert was Tiramasu. And I think it would have been out there , but then I said, David, how'd you spell that? And if correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it was T I E R I S I E U. I don't know . And then he said French. And I was like, how'd you spell that? He's like, Tir Musu's one hundred percent French . And it's not. That was probably twenty percent of our comments last week. Does it not sound like a French word? I'll give it to you. It kind of dream. Yeah, it sounds French to me. I got a lot of people tweeting at me. Okay, it's Italian. It was it was so intense that I got people tweeting and commenting at me saying, You call yourself Italian that you didn't tell him that it 's definitely Italian. So I got it. Should I make the question harder? Do you want to ask her what the dessert the first dessert is when they reset it? Sure. Like I have like bonus points or whatever. All right. All right, two points. We get it all right. So which one was what number was that one's internal code? What number ? 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Just to get it out of the way. Okay . Gamers can I disagree. I think David and I play quite a few games, but according to the comments, we have no idea what we're talking about. I'll open it up. I'll own up to it right now. I play games once or twice a month. Not a huge gamer. It's not bad. So you guys should tell me about the Steam machine because all I really know, I've seen some videos and I've heard a lot of people saying, why don't you do a video on the Steam Machine? I haven't because I'm not super interest ed, but also I know what steam is. And so I imagine that a steam machine is a very specific thing. But you tell me. It runs on steam. It runs steam. This is like round . Oh, runs on steam is crazy. It's like round three of them trying to release them. These are basically just Valve decided to make some hardware because they make the Steam store already and they're like, oh, well we should sell a gaming PC. There's so many things to this. The reason for it, I think makes perfect sense. Steam is generally a PC gaming marketplace, right? It's usually PC games. Steam Deck changed that a bit like handheld gaming come onto the steam marketplace , but really the hard thing people have wanted for so long is I have this massive steam library but the benefit of consoles is it just plugs into my living room TV. I get to sit on the couch and use a controller totally it has a lot of it's like very cohesive with all of that. People like consoles because of that, but console wars means we have a lot of exclusivity. We have a lot of different things in that box only titles. Yeah, you're really locked in, like Steam is on your computer, you own your computer, you're not like renting like yeah. Steam is what people like for games because for the last like fifteen years, there's steam sales in the fall, there's steam sales in the summer, there's steam sales in the spring. The amount of steam games I own that I have never once launched, Valve knows how to make you buy things that you will never use. I bet most Steam users have fifty percent of their library, they have it opened. Yes . Because there's bundles, everything's like you can buy UTA for four dollars like it's so cheap that they're like, why wouldn't I do it? You know what I mean? So there are people sitting out there with huge steam libraries, but maybe a little bit of a void in the living room where they could be playing it like a console. And everybody for years has found ways or tried to, but it's pretty hard to like build a computer that sits next to their TV, but we're talking small form factor. We're talking micro eight x. Yeah, but we're talking noise , compatibility issues . So like Steam went out to release something that is essentially the console that runs steam. Yeah. Right. Makes perfect sense. People want that. There are so many things in the Steam Library that still run great on contro ll doner',t you have to play everything keyboard and mouse. There's lots of, especially indie games, there's so many indie games on Steam that are really fun to play on and TV and relaxing . So they set out to launch this little box . I mean, it's, I don't know the exact dimensions, but it looks not that dissimilar from like an Xbox series X, but a square instead of a tall game cube. The original game cube size seems similar. This feels very game cube. Yeah. I'm proud of myself for knowing the size of the original GameCube. It's all pretty much PC parts , but it's all run and compatibility wise really great. I believe it's like HDMI CEC, which lets you , which lets turning the controller on to turn the steam can also turn your TV on. It lets all of those controls happen. Things that are kind of tough to do when you're building a PC yourself . Everyone's hoping for this thing when it gets talked about to be released at around five hundred to seven hundred dollars. I think eight hundred dollars is really like seven was like the general consensus. I think Linus said that he would eat an entire cake on the Wan Show if it was over seven hundred dollars. The portal cake , the portal gate, but he said this months ago . Yes. Before open AI destroyed everything . Certain prices have gone up since then. They have. And so we just got the release date and the release prices. And what is that? So the release date is june twenty ninth, which will be Monday. Okay . The starting price is one thousand forty nine dollars for the five hundred twelve gigabyte model. That does not include a controller. Wow. Yeah. eleven twenty eight for the bundle with the controller at five hundred twelve, then it can go as high as a two terabyte model for fourteen twenty eight that's the bundle with the controller. Yeah . So fourteen hundred dollars over a little bit over fourteen basis starting at eleven hundred with a controller . Yes. Wow. Yeah. You get two PS five 's. She pricy. No, PS five is now seven hundred dollars. Yeah. It was six hundred fifty. They don't know. I think original PS five six fifty and pro is like nine hundred now with the price increases . Yeah. Some of the issues with this, I mean, I'll go over some of the things it comes with, but the two Tarbl modayel also comes with two swappable faceplates. Remember this has a magnetic faceplate that lets you do a bunch of cool customization. It has some cool LED bar on there. It's a well thought out machine in terms of compatibility. It's got all these separate antennas. So like when your Bluetooth controller is connected to it, but maybe you're downloading something off the WiFi, it's not it's a separate Wi Fi antenna. So like you're not getting all this interference with that. There's a lot of stuff they put into this. That's really impressive. . The issue is this price because if you think about it, even with the price increases it's running fairly similar performance wise to a PS five . Yeah , which is a six year old console that is six hundred and fifty dollars. Six years. That's six years old . Right, two thousand five, it can't be that old. Did it really? It came out around COVID, right? Oh yeah. Am I old? Yeah, that is I believe five years old. It's gonna turn six in a couple months. Yeah. Oh my god. So performance wise isn't that far off from a PS five. Some people, some games were even saying worse than a PS five , but even a PS five pros nine hundred dollars is still two hundred dollars less and this comes with a controller also . And the price to performance ratio is turning into a stinker, pretty much . And one thing that people were thinking was and us included, how much of this will be subsidized because Steam also owns the marketplace, therefore X amount of money from all the Steam games that gets purchased. And they had straight up a response to why they are not subsidizing this console . I'll read it super quick. But while this might seem like an easy solution, it doesn't align with our beliefs of how healthy ecosystems are built. If there's anything we're religious about Valve, it's our belief that open systems are better in the long run for ourselves and customers, the open ness of the PC ecosystem in particular has enabled it to be the primary driver of hardware and software innovation because anyone with an idea for a way to do something better was always able to take a shot at it. When companies sell their hardware under costs for competitive advantage or excl buusyive content for it. They're doing that to build a more closed system, one where you don't get to choose what software you use. We don't want PC hard. We don't want that for PC hardware. We don't think you should want it either. We feel like you should have to buy valve hardware. You should be able to view it as you shouldn't have to buy valve. Shouldn't yeah, you should be able to view it as just one option alongside all the devices playing games and select the one that makes sense for you. This means you get to decide which device fits your personal trade offs. Things like price performance, form factor peripheral support, and everything else you care about. That's the strength of our P C platform. Subsidizing hardware runs counter to that. Yeah. Okay , so I think yeah, so there are a competitor in the market of I don't know if this is the most price market compared to. But when you ask people about PCs, like ninety percent of the people who are like, I could just build a PC that gets more performance for less money. That's the whole idea of building a PC. Yeah. So I can immediately see people going, oh, I could build a PC just like this or cheaper and it would be a better buy than buying the steam thing. Is there anything that you literally can't get from building your own PC ? I don't think you can get a motherboard with that HDMI thing that can turn on the TV . It's almost impossible to say there's no way to get it because yeah building a PC is like infinitely customizable to build this piece of software running what it's running in the form factor with the compatibility of everything all the different you mean hardware. Build this piece of hardware. If you build it, yeah, sorry . It's very hard. There's lots of people comparing it to this and that , but maybe it's a little bigger, maybe it's not as compatible with your TV and systems. Like they definitely made the efficiency of this whole thing. Yeah. Pretty impressive. This is like this surface laptop . Because there are lots of laptops you can buy and they're not necessarily like the surface laptop is a premium option and it is maybe it's to serve as like a halo product even so that others will build premium options like it, but it will never be the best bang for the buck. Can I give you my equivalent? Sure. This is a MacBook before the MCIP came out because it was a premium it was premium hardware that had features that only the Mac could have because it could work with other stuff. It had an OS that was like sort of custom built for it and like runs things on it . It was more expensive than things at its performance ratio , but because you could only get certain things for it, it worked better with certain things. It did things that other computers couldn't do. People still bought it. Yeah. That's my analogy. I like it except for that Apple is known for being like pretty close system stuff and this is trying to stay in. But I do know what you're saying. It's like you're paying a premium here for like yeah how intuitive it is to be able to play Steam machines on your couch it just works kind of thing. Whereas , Valve says that the worst part about PC gaming is Windows, right? And so like they want to just, but all the games are written for Windows . And they thought that they would be able like they made steam machines in twenty fif teen . And when they did that, they didn't themselves really make a bunch of steam machines. They went to partners like ASUS and Acer and all these other companies. And they were like, We're building this Steam OS, you should build these steam machines that are better , that can like run steam on your TV, et cetera, but what they didn't they expected that all these companies would want to like run Linux and run Steam OS and do this kind of stuff. These companies they couldn't really force to do that. And so they made this layer called Proton, which is it's a translation layer similar to a Rosetta two that will trans late Windows games to Linux to allow you to run pretty much every Windows game . So on the Steam machine, you're using Proton, you can run all the Windows games, but it's not actually running Linux, it's running like wine underneath, which is like a Linux distribution . So yeah, I don't know. I feel that the price of performance ratio is like you're paying the premium for something that just makes the experience so much more seamless and it',s also a computer. It's also a Linux computer, which you can do work on it too. You don't only have to put windows on it if you want you can put windows on it. Yeah. It's this weird thing where like it's if you haven't been on the Valve sub right in the last couple of days, it is a wild west. It's wild. It is like you can't every single comment has somebody fighting them on it. Like everyone who thinks it's overpriced, somebody's telling them they're wrong. Everyone thinks it's good for what it is . You're a total valve fanboy. It's fascinating to me. You can see this having a similar YouTube ecosystem where like there are people split. I haven't even looked yet. There are people split. People who are like, wow, this is overpriced here. I'm gonna build a PC that's more powerful for less money. Nobody thinks it barely does. It's underpriced. I can tell you that. There are people who think we are paying for the parts, essentially. Like we are just paying the price that it is because that's how much stuff costs now because stuff is really expensive especially in the PC world . I think people want, but at the same time, it's really easy to compare this to the consoles that are arguably running better performance than it that are hundreds of dollars. Right cheaper. Which is tough because those consoles came out in a time when we were not in Ramageddon. But at the same time , it's also a six year old console that is performing better than the thing out now at four hundred dollars more expensive. Yeah, which is the new the old consoles can't play your steam library. That's true. The neat, it is so niche okay sorry it's not late you should finish I was gonna say yeah I think the people who see this niche are excited for it. I kind of think this is sick and I kind of want knowing I will be paying a price that's probably quote too expensive or at least I'm paying for a convenience. In my opinion, this console proves that people cannot see cannot look out into the future and be like, I'm paying more upfront now, but the games will be cheaper for the entire time I own this because PC games are always way cheaper. And the reason why Sony can subsidize the PS five is because it's its closed ecosystem. You have to buy their eighty dollars games. They don't go on sale that often. Do you know what else you have to pay for? Annually to play online. Yeah, like yeah, like the amount of free online. This is the thing, this has always been a thing and you pick, is it cheaper up front, but in order to use the product and the service over the years you're paying over the years more and more money or do you just pay more upfront, but it's basically free for the time that you use it. The games are cheaper. You own the games in your steam library. Yeah. You don't own the games. Yes, that's that might also be a reason why they can't really like this is something we all said they own the marketplace, but we also talked about how everyone has a million steam games. There's probably a solid chance a ton of people buy this machine and don't buy a game for years because now I finally get to city games you have in your couch. That I can play my couch now where it's like, Oh I bought these because these look fun but like it sounds crazy calling it a chore to sit at your desk and play games, but like it's so much chiller to sit at your couch and play games and I'm sure the people who have bought the three dollars side scrolling indie game that like has a cult fan base . you can Now go play it because I just have a controller and I'm relaxing in a chair . And it also sort of does the opposite where it like unlocks a new, maybe a new market for them where most people who are buying Steam games were buying like the experience of sitting at your desktop leaning forward. But if they weren't buying lean back controller games as much, this is a new opportunity for people to go, yeah, you know what? I should get some more casual games and they're going to go back and buy more steam games because they have a steam machine. Totally. Can I ask a dumb question? We might have an answer . Can you upgrade this machine ? Sometimes you can't upgrade a Playstation question. No. And there's not a ton. I think you can upgrade RAM and storage . That's it . Yeah. You can't do that. Oh no it's like you can upgrade the thing that's like really fun in expensive . Yeah. Honestly, yeah. I guess like in the future, like GPU stuff is, that going bec toome a bottleneck for Steam Games? Probably to a point. So one of the things and this is something Linus really put it. So I watch Linus and Dave's reviews. If you want the super TLs, you should go watch them first of all. But the real T LDRs are like the pros of this are the form factors great . The it's really quiet, which I don't think people are appreciating. Like having a quiet system in your living room is . And like the cohesion and support to be set up as a living room console is really good and something that's really hard to build into a custom PC. Small game. The cons are performance wise. The price of performance ratio is not great. And one thing they kept saying was playing four K games at sixty , where a lot of that seems to be what they meant was that it's like low settings four K upscaling , sixty FPS is like a lot of what they seem to have been talking about is like your four k gaming at sixty frames a second because Linus did a ton of tests and not a lot of we'll call the modern like big title games we're running at . That is so interesting. Yeah, I and again, I'll watch their videos, but I kind of wonder if they are looking at it more through a lens of PC gaming, which has a much bigger focus on fidelity where I think if you're fifteen feet away and your TV is across the room . I mean, I want the frame rate, but I'm maybe not thinking quite the same way about the fidelity , it's got to perform well, obviously, but I'm not thinking exactly the same way as I would about like the game I'm going to play in four K on my monitor right in front of me. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. And I agree and it's it's tough. I agree, but at the same price when the PS five is outperforming and again, it's like really hard to come back to that point. They're so expensive and there's way less games on there. I guess my question when you say outperforming, when the PS five is outperforming the Steam machine, what is what exactly does that mean? Higher frame rates, more resolution, higher frame rates settings. Okay, yeah, that's a big deal. Wow. It's close to P PS fiveS five, for pro seems like it was clearing it pretty easy. I agree that 's the thing that's tough here, right? It's really hard to compare to consoles. It's really hard to compare to PC games because when you have this sick tower that's running a fifty nine or whatever. Like it's crushing like people who like PC games like to have the insane frame right so they can play old school Runescape for without utilizing any of it, but they still want it. Like we've all been there. We've all done that . It's yeah, I don't know. That's why I think it's so interesting. One thing to note is someone on Linus's team was talking with Valve about original price because remember this guy announ ced before RAM yeah blew up and VR they couldn't quite say it but they said if you look at the Steam Deck price increase which by the way similarly we might have mentioned before but the, steamck D thee five, twelve gig model went from five hundred and forty nine dollars to seven hundred and eighty nine cents. So that was a two hundred and twenty dollars price two hundred and thirty dollars price increase . And the one terabyte model went from six dollars forty nine cents to nine hundred forty nine cents which is a three hundred dollars price increase. That's like almost fifty percent. two to three hundred dollars off of steam machine and we're kind of should have been seven hundred which is what everyone thought it would be. At seven hundred, this thing would be awesome. Yeah. But the slate truck that 'll stay the same . Yeah, that'll stay. Is that ram in that thing? I mean, there's no ram in the slate . So dodge. My question, my question is, can you even build an equivalently powered PC at this price point? I'm no expert. I have Has anyone done that? Linus is making in the process of making that video. I think I saw the Verge doing and it seemed fairly comparable . That's something that is almost an impossible question to answer because between sales and individual parts and finding the best deal here or the rebate there or how it all connects together, then what do you consider the same thing? Does it have HDMICE? Does it is it as performance ? Performance in things. I'm sure you can build performance. I think it's arguably better. Yeah. I think that's specifically if it's the same storage and everything. Yeah, I think if their focus is just price to performance, purely performance, then the answer is probably yes, you can build it. But if you try to get some of the smaller intangibles like the small form factor or the quiet ness or the HDMI. Yeah , that might make it tricky. Yeah, that's basically impossible. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're going to look if your success to clear the bar is I just want the same specs or to be able to play at the same settings, but not to spend eleven hundred dollars. Yeah , then you probably can do that. Yeah. . You know what? Maybe that's fine. Yeah. Maybe just releasing something that's the option of if you don't want to build any of it, if you want this compatibility, if you want to play your Steam games on the couch, this is this price. And if you're okay with paying that, pay, if you're not okay with paying that, you can try you can build it by yourself and maybe that's its own. This is a console that's also a computer , whereas most computers are also consoles. You know what I mean? And so you kind of have to look at it at that angle. If you're cool with having a PC in your living room 'cause the console's designed to slip under the TV in the little console thing or whatever. And like the PS five is the slim box and the Xbox is the slim box and the steam machine . This is way smaller than both of those boxes. Yeah, so that is an computers are expensive. Yeah, they are so you start losing the availability of Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna stop saying anything 'cause so many people 's fine. I mean, it's fine. I mean, we're gonna get yelled no matter. I think it's fine. Kinda want one. Not gonna this long tried going through PC parts pick er and like trying to make the same thing that was small. Try this? Yeah, I tried it, but this was again but many moons ago when it was first announced and it was still difficult. Like it was tough. And I don't think I got exact specs or what like to what it's going to launch with or anything like that. So it's hard. I saw a funny tweet where someone was trying to like build the equivalent powered PC for about like for try to try to get a good price on it and they put the parts into Chat JBT and they said , Is this a good build for this price? And Chat JPT said, Yeah, this looks like a really good computer. Except I want to point out one thing. The RAM that you bought, it says that it's four hundred dollars, but that must be like an error because Ram this kind of RAM should only be about eighty dollars . And if it was four hundred dollars, I'd call the police . Frankly. And it was like, wow, your model's only trained to a certain date, isn't it? Yeah, it tough. It's funny watching Linus and Dave talk about this because it's one of those things where they're like, this is awesome. This is awesome. I remember the price is a little tougher. Oh, the proposes. I think both of them kind of wound up in like I still think this is really sweet. Yeah . It's just like it's a really sweet thing that's really hard to recommend. Like the people who want this or the people who are gonna find out they want to bu themyselves and be willing to pray . Yeah, they also clearly did not make a lot of these things because in order to buy one , you have to like there's a really, really weird system you have to go through, you have to like email them or something. They do in a lottery. You sign up for a waitlist , you sign up to get put into a lottery which puts your place in line for when it comes out. And then if you sign up after the whatever date then you just get added to the wait at the end of that. They're going to be these things are gonna be sold out for like the next two years. There is one thing that I thought was interesting to go all the way back to I knocked David's mic somehow . Something people were saying, a reason they might not be subsidizing this is because it can just be run as a Linux or Windows system is like could just buy a bunch of these at the cheap the subsidized price and use it as compute power and for like far and data farming . So like fascinating . Maybe that's something they took into account. I'm sure there's lots of things to take into account. There's so many variables out here with slop and it's annoying and gamers suffer the most . I know people are probably going to say I'm Valve glazing, but generally , I feel like Steam and Valve like do things that they just don't want to do because they're a private company, they don't have to think about their stock going up. And that's why people still love them. That's why the Steam is still a good marketplace. Wow, how much do they pay to please no one post any of our conversation to the Valve Celebrate? I cannot handle it. Oh, they will they will. I will go into hiding. They will. 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Now they are just called metaglasses , which is really ironic because everyone already called the Meta Raybans metaglasses. Eye Ronic? See what you did there? Oh with your eyeballs. Jesus. Pretty good. They're eighty dollars cheaper and so basically it just seems like Meta wanted to not license the Rayband branding. And they're also made by Luxotica. They're still made by Luxotica. Which makes the Rayband glasses . So they are launching three different model s. There's okay, these are stupid ass names, dude. The Fury model. Okay. They kind of look like Arayban Wayfarers a little bit. They're a little bit thicker. They have seven color options. That's the one thing about these glasses that are pretty different from the Raybands. They come in like a lot of different colors. Well, I specifically put color options there because there are seven options. There's not it's kind of confusing. So some of them are color plus lens opt ion.. So Right there's probably like four colors. Right. There's yeah compost. That's a good clarification . The adventure model, which are definitely pretty similar, but they have thinner frames. They also have different color combinations, about eight of them. And if you couldn't get enough of Kylie Jenner for some reason because you know, you're just a huge Kardashian fan even though that's not her last name . They also have the Metaglasses Kylie Edition , which Which, you know, they've got this retro oval kind of look to the frame and they're a collab with Kylie Jenner. They have three color options and she voices an AI model that talks to I missed that point. She does really . They're also eighty dollars cheaper than they're also ninety nine dollars four hundred dollars. I was gonna say instead of paying the licensing money to Rayban they paid Kylie Jenner directly to Kylie Jenner. So, you know, I don't know. I think we've been seeing all these different glasses from like the smart glasses from Samsung and like a bunch of different companies. And I guess Meta eventually just wanted to take all of the money and not have to like pay directly to Rayban anymore. But it's confusing because they still have Luxotica branding on them on the inside. It's still made by I saw a lot of takes like, oh, this is cool. Let's make it cheaper for people, which it is. I'm not going to complain that it's cheaper. It's two hundred ninety nine now starting price . But like without the Raybrand licensing, but it's not Meta building these from the ground up. It's Luxatica who still built the frames. Who did anyway before? Yeah, who is they own Rayband? Is it really a good thing if more people have these glasses now. Okay . Okay, that definitely for us . So for Meta, yeah. Yeah, that's the whole point. Meta was essentially they had PR statements ready for stuff like this because not just in the sense of all the privacy concerns that we talked about , there have been, I don't know if you've seen, but a lot of people have been finding ways to like drill out the camera light . And there's like tutorial s online and people who are doing this in some states where like you can essentially stop the light, which I already think is not a good enough light to prove that you're recording but to just full blown drill it out and still have the camera work so people don't know you're recording , which is the creepiest thing I could ever think of. And also we're starting to see establishments banning these types of glasses from places because of recording , which is a huge issue because if these are just your glasses that you're supposed to wear every day and you go to one of those places that is banned, now you either are not going to that place or you're going to that place without the ability to see because you can't wear your glasses inside of it . And they've noticed this . Something they said at the event is, we know there's tampering today and there's handful of ways people are doing it . Nothing that Meta has seen or noting Meta has seen an increasing number of bad actors mis using his products as they become more popular. If people aren't comfortable with you wearing the glasses, not only do we personally think that's bad, but we would have we wouldn't have a business anymore. You should see some updates from us really soon while we're looking to address it directly. They need to find a way to stop these glasses from working if you drill out the lights. They also need to make the recording sign red. Yes, they had they had put some precautions in where if you like covered the light with tape it would, know and it wouldn't work . But Joanna Stern actually did a video about this where she found a bunch of people that were willing to like selling the service of drilling the light out without the glasses knowing because the wiring was still there so it, was still receiving a circuit so it didn't trip anything, but they were they took the light out physically . Yeah, they need to make this lot better, but Meta does not care about this. Meta only cares if they get in trouble for Meta will start caring if stuff like this happens where these start getting banned everywhere and it's going to turn into smart glasses are just not a viable option. It's so hard to ban these when they look more and more like regular glasses the c.am Ander as in these are actually smaller than they were in the original model. They are a little bit smaller. I was like, where was I just I was just somewhere where these glasses were banned. I was trying to remember what it was. And it was the former formula O pneaddock, yeah. Where we walk into the Formula One paddock and they had to like outlaw like no recording, no cameras, don't take any pictures, obviously . And people would be going in with the glasses on all the time and just recording anyway. So they had to put a sign on the door that says no smart glasses in the paddock. It's funny that's because they don't want like trade secrets of their cars going in where most of these establishments 'cause they don't want creeps coming in or people to feel uncomfortable. That's the thing is like you could not be a creep , but lots of people are going to feel uncomfortable because you're in a private place of business with potentially getting recorded whenever. Yeah. It's one of the things where every time I talk to someone who I can tell is wearing the metaglasses , I just immediately assume that they're recording. I thought on edge when I'm talking. Like remember we were at South by Southwest and that person came up to us and this might not be online. I don't even know. Keep it anonymous . But somebody ran up to us basically and just like started recording with the glasses. I don't even think she asked . Oh, can I record it? Did I record you with my metas? Yeah, did I record you and then just started recording and then just started interviewing us basically like using her glasses as a camera and just sort of didn't listen for us to say yes or no and just started going The most south by southwest thing Yeah . And when that happens to you you realize like everyone anyone wearing glass es could be recording at any point and I feel like the people who are wearing the glasses probably intend to record something at some point. So I just kind of assume that if I'm talking to someone and I notice that they have the glasses on , I'm just gonna talk live, and, act as if this is being recorded right now. Which also I get people, like if you are in a public place, you are allowed to be recorded because you're in public. It's the thing that gets weird about this are if I'm being recorded a p atublic place with some phone or a camera, I can tell on being recorded . When you're starting to drill this stuff out , I don't know what's going on . Starts getting really weird on who's recording what when it comes with children or like that's all really strange. And then when you start getting into private places of business that don't allow recording and that you expect some sort of privacy and you're potentially recording stuff like that , it's just getting really strange. In Japan, they have a law where every smartphone has to come with a loud camera shutter sound every time you take a photo of something on any smartphone . It's at its max volume and you will always hear it go. I think I noticed that too. Is that true about China phones too? I don't know. I feel like Japan is a law. Okay, that might be true about some other places too, but I feel like that was a default that I noticed was this shutter sound was always on out the box and extremely loud. And every time I took a picture it was like wow . And then they got clever with it and they made it sound like a DSLR and other stuff. Yeah . It's just hard to know if someone's just wearing glasses walking around, like, you never really know if they're recording or not. It just becomes your glasses right now could be the metaglasses. They're not. They're not. I don't know that'll look like them. That's the whole point is also because they're Raybands, the idea is to make them look kind of like regular glasses. Yeah . And with the Ray Band name on them, they kind of feel like regular glass es. So yeah. And the more styles they introduce, the more they're just gonna blend in and look like more regular like now people have started assuming that pretty much all ray bands are smart glasses. You know, they associate the smart glass trend with ravens, but now they're releasing all these different models that come with these different styles and it's just going to become impossible at some point. I will say like the so the furies definitely look like smart glasses. They're super thick on the super thick on the side. I don't even know what you call that. It's pretty obvious. The arms, thank you. I'm an idiot. The Kylie ones, which I'm kind of confused by because all the pictures says Meta Starfire, Kylie Edition, but everyone keeps calling the Metaglasses Kylie Edition. So I don't know if there's a name change. Those are a little harder to see the glasses because the frames are so black and thick , but then the adventurers they look pretty normal. They look super normal. They're really thin. The glasses just look like they could be like a screw hole or like just a piece of flare essentially on the glasses. And I can't imagine a little white circle around that is really tipping many people off to your recording. Yeah . So these glasses also come with Meta's first super intelligence labs model , which is called Muse Spark for some reason. Everything is spark recently, by the way, and I think this is a reference to Sparks of AGI. Gemini Spark, Gemini Spark. There's a lot of spark stuff going on . Yeah, and I think it's the whole sparks of AGI thing . Either way, it should be a little smarter so, you should be able to have like more natural conversations with it. It should know more things, things like that. And Kylie's voice. And Kylie's voice. Which is great. Kylie's voice. I didn't I don't know how I missed that. Yeah, that's really fun ny. Yeah. We never got an update to the SVG that's Swedish Yes. We never got up to Swedish. We never got household. Yeah, yeah, I know Meta ended their contract with the data annotation company in Kenya, but we never found out how real istic such a big tech company thing to do be like it was their fault. I know. Just blame them completely and find another place that will do that. Probably exact same thing. And that story didn't really make the rounds among U. S. consumers. And I found myself over and over again like meeting people who are wearing the metaglasses and wanting to be like, hey, there's this potential that they're just recording. Did you all the time? And I never know how to have that conversation with people. So I just don't. I think here's my potential silver lining of, I think most people who buy those glasses aren't using the AI features of it, which is generally when it was recording without them knowing. So I do think most people are just like, these are glasses that can play some music and I can record first person view every once in a while. I hope so. I hope they weren't just recording. I think the average people buying that are probably not really asking the Meta AI what's going on? Yeah . But in other news, Meta's starting a prediction market. So yeah. Oh yeah, you didn't hear about this? Yeah . They're starting a standalone app called Arena that's supposed to compete with polymark. Have they ever had the original IG? Yeah . Anyway we all this is every time we talk about this every time we talk about what's something nice we can say guys? Have to share the manifesto. At least they look better than the snap glasses. Agree with that. I like the snap glasses. Oh my god. That might be one of the hotter takes. I'm back with them. Anyway, Shrem. Anyway, some fun questions. We should do Trump. Let's do it . A scoop up beat up . Back for its second week in a row , apparently . Guys, I'm still getting this wrong What was the first version of Android where they reset the dessert alphabet in the codename ? And I'm looking for the number and the dessert. Take this because it was one point each would be cool. Which version? No, it's gonna be one point each. Hail. Yeah . Oh, version number. Wait, you can say when you say reset, you mean, it's the last one before it reset or the first one that did reset. The first one that did reset . That's a that's a great, great clarification to get out there. Flip 'em and read . Who wants to go first ? I'll start . I believe it is Android sixteen . That is correct, which is Baklava. And that is double correct. Thank you. Marques is the Android Sico. Thank you. Sico. They didn't start with A ? No, no . I hate that. Well, they didn't start with A with regular Android either. That is correct. With C. You're also a Sicko. That's right. That's B. Cupcake. That's BS C seventeen is C. deduction was solid because I knew seventeen was C. So I went to fifteen assuming normal people that restart the alphabet at A. Lane restarts the alphabet at A . Totally valid guess. I think that's and then I just guessed apple turnover. Yes, unfortunately that is incorrect. David, you also put fifteen. Yeah. And what dessert did you write down? Creme brulee . I almost wrote to your Amazon. No solid wait, hold on to the off I'm just kidding. I was just I just wanted to rage bay people. It feels like you Crembellay was just a guess or did you think it was C? Because you made the deduction to go back to fifteen based on current being C. So I think we're at you did see it. You didn't think that, Andrew, but I just went for it, baby. Oh yeah. I didn't have enough time to fasten loose. Actually think that hard. Your two busy AR trying on the Kylie sunglasses. That I was and they look amazing . I put it in memes, you could check it out. Oh my gosh. My mouth slightly opened. It's a trivia music started and David still haven't given you my whiteboard because you're trying the mod. I was like, I got to think virtually trying For those curious, Virgin thirteen was Tiramisu, as we learned last week. Wait, I got this. Fourteen was upside down cake. What a banger? Waterbanger? Waterburger? V ery fifty backward was really hard. It was V, which is volumptuous cake. No, V. V. is the last one before they reset. What is V ? Hold on . V ieram u. That's the French version . The last one before they updated what was it? Evil Vanilla Ice Cream. Yes. The most boring as one of all times. Vanilla. Yeah. Very vanilla. Madagascar. Yeah. You know, the vanilla is actually one of the most complex flavors. There's like thirty something flavor things that go into vanilla. That sounds like something vanilla would say. Dig vanilla. Dig vanilla wants you to believe. That's like this base slate trap bringing like it locks Anyway, after that correct answer, Marquez with thirty, damn. Andrew with twenty six and David with thirty five . Oh no. That far ahead. Oh no. I thought David was clearing all of us by the way. Because Mariah destroyed me when I was out, she didn't do it. Points for you. No she didn't. She got zero points. Damn . Okay, well, what company did both the founders of Valve work at before damage starting Valve . Just as we thought we were catching out. Yeah , I can make a guess that's You should guess. They founded you at one point for founder . That was a joke. They came to Santa laugh. Hm m, where'd they find her? Welcome back, Ellis . This is this I have no idea . I hope flip them and read. What have we got? Yes. Just 'cause hey , you guys guessed this correctly? I think it's the only plausible guess unless you know two, three . Microsoft . Oh that's fine . God damn it . You thought he was about to get a free point? It's a free. Nope. I used my big brain. Thought you about to' takere the lead by even more than you were already in the lead. I'm only in the lead by one, Marques. We made educated guesses and you are still only in the lead by one. God. Wow, that's great trailing by a billion. I'm glad. I'm glad we were able to pull that one off. Well, what a fun. Extravaganza. She thirty one points actually next month. We've been cooking. That's a nice little teaser. Hey, if you made it this far in the episode, now you know when the trivia extravaganza is. That's true, which is very exciting, exclusive information. Well, that's been more for your regularly scheduled programming and be sure to tune back in next week. Of course, if you're subscribed, you already know it's gonna hit your feed, but we'll catch you again