The Future of Transparency and Accountability

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And it's called Rib' cube So a prime investigator, Bodie and I said to me Dylan tell you about the pyramid Power source Dylan Borland This is the craziest thing I heard from ODN I Did you draw? a hierogglyph that you understood was on that pyramid powerower source Can you tell us if you went to OD and I and drew them an image of not only the pyramid, but a hierogglyph. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, relaxing here in Las Vegas after a brief exciting road trip to McMinville, Oregon for UFO Fest. Jeremy, that thing is always a kick, isn't it? It is just the greatest. I want everybody in Weaponizize to celebrate with me. takeake ten seconds, go get yourself something. We're about to celebrate and talk about something. So Happy weaponized everybody D or a does that count Sure No, it's Well that event is fun. We spoke about it. We're going to share with weaponized audience what happened on there because we did break some news, but I just want to say again how much fun it is And you know, it's not a bad thing to have fun in UFO world Wh you're you know, to go in there. peopleeople would dress up like aliens and maybe it's too light and too festive for a lot of the Tourists inside the UFO investigation And that it seems too frivolous to have people in costumes and having fun. But I think it's a great combination. They're right down the middle of you know, getting the whole community to participate but also inside the building in the presentations, it gets very serious. Yeah. So I want to back up. I didn't know people had this weird thing where like you can't go and support a gigantic town where people come from all around the world to listen to speakers, to have fun. they bring their pets. I met a couple that had brought their pup from Germany, the cutest little doggy. and It was so beautiful in fun. And the other thing is the people It's not like everybody comes up to you and they're like I was abducted and here's a bunch of papers They're like, hey, man, what's going on? Big hug. I mean, I must have Sirk three thousand hands. I fist bumped all the kids in the line when I was had the golf cart and their infinite wisdom again with the parade It is the most joyous thing that I do when it comes to investigating and doing journalism and UFO's It is So fun So if anybody ever I'm inviting the entire world to next year, even though I don't know if I'm invited back after going to jail Yeah, you know, the only one I can think of that's like that that's on a par with McMinville is phenomicon invernal, which has risen over the last couple of years. I've been there a couple of times. a lot of fun. again, sameame kind of an atmosphere, F outside and then very serious presentations inside. and it's a good mix, you know I haven't been to the Roswell Festival, UFO fest, but one of these days We're going to have to drag ourselves there. But this year was we were invited to speak And we saw it as an opportunity to get into something serious. that has really been on our mind for several months now And that is a priate. prior investigation under the office of the Director of National Intelligence. We haven't been able to reveal much of that publicly and didn't know if we were ever going to release it publicly this guy going Last fall You and I were invited to meet with some ODenI personnel And this effort was initiated by Tulsi Gabbt, the director of National intntelligence. to get to the bottom of UFO legacy programs. to look into UFO legacy programs and see if there's any meat on the bone. Are there crash saucers? Are there alien bodies? If so, who's got them and how are they hiding them And we were excited I mean, we were excited, right Yeah I thought like we had talked about this publicly, but I guess that on Oregon probably the first time we really No, no, we talked about it with Matthew Brown in that episode that this had occurred. This was an outstandingly new kind of um insight into that experience, but just to recap it. Oh, absolutely. look The United States of America says we're going to protect whistleblowers We saw everybody at Congress. Some of them were there And they're like, can you help them to come in, we will give them whistleblower protections. We just want to know the details of what they saw. They're totally protected. They can tell us anything. We have every authority under God and the country And you and I are like Oh hell yeah. finally these whistleblowers, they get some help Now you and I were cautiously optimistic because you know, spooks. were're like always, know people trying to entrap us and all this stuff, fake information I I felt like you. I was like Let's fucking go. And so I kind of made the pitch to a ton of people and directly connected Cime investigators and ODNI on the phone on signal to bunch of names that you know, people that have raised their hand and testified, people that haven't. as well And people that are unknown to the public as well as known to the public And wow. We really, really found out Right during the second premiere of Sleep and Dog actually was I was behind stage when we were texting We really found out something. A CIA employee raises his hand under oath in Congress and says the whistleblowers be in tact who's also saying the ODNI was being spied on by CIA. Now we know for sure that all the Wis boys that went in were being monitored when they're supposed to be protected. illegally by the CIA, It was affirmed by a CIA agent himself who testified. That didn't blow my mind. It was confirmation, got a call from everybody that testified OD and I and we're like We knew it, we knew it. So we knew it the whole time, but there's confirmation. Do everybody know what I'm talking about? Play the clip, Michael. I am a career CIA operations officer And as you mentioned I was on joint duty assignment at the Office of Director National Intelligence, Directors Initiatives Group or the dig betweenetween march twenty twenty five and april twenty twenty six. I was responsible for leading the Digs investigation into COVID origins, anomalous health incidents, and unidentified anomalous phenomena I'm here today to discuss the COVID cover up The national security implications associated with the DIGs investigative findings and CIA refusal to comply with lawful oversight as well as how we remedy these problems The CIA illegally monitored the computer and phone usage of DIig personnel, their investigations and contact with whistleblowers These were Americans being spied upon Iillegally whileile executing duties directed by the president, and under the authority of the Director of National Intelligence You must be willing to pull the purse strings and if necessary, convene another church committee The results of our The results of our investigation He would have been impmossible without whistleblowers willing to come forward They are indispensable agents for reform I recall seeing that clip and send it to you immediately and to try to figure it out. What the heck how is this happening here? And what are the consequences for CIA? And we saw a CIA response posted shortly after that testimony was made public, swn testimony testimony from this guy Erdman to a Senate committee And the CIA's haughty response was unbelievable They just said, hey, basically U. S. Congress, U S. Senate You don't have the right to question one of our guys, call a witness without going through protocols and letting us know before you do it inststead of saying anything at all about the contents that we, the CIA, had been spying on ODNI, which is our parent organization CIA reports to the Office of Director of National Intelligence. They're supposed to all be under the umbrella of Tulsi Gabbard's organization there. And here they are not answering the questions about did they spy on the agency, on its investigators on the whistleblowers they have brought forward for a variety of topics, not just UAP, for u the psychic warfare programs, the MK Ultra and some other stuff, sneaky stuff CoVD cover up. It was anomalous health, you know, and it was Anomalous health effects and it was UAP. I mean, it's pretty outrageous and they didn't bother to answer it. Now I know there have been some developments since then since the story broke late last week I think some of our friends in Congress have gone over to to have a little chat And maybe we'll get into that at some other point. But Man, what a story. And you know, you and I as we share in this upcoming recording that we're going to let our viewers and listeners take a look at. You know, we went into it, not blind and not not naive. We were cautious because, you know, we've been down this road before and the idea that ODNI would use all of its resources and the people we talked to told me they can go anywhere. They can see anything. They have the clearances to go anywhere they need to go to find the legacy programs. And we're thinking, damn, that sounds pretty good So I know in that first meeting, we did give them some names, but it's the names of people that they should be pretty obvious that they should talk to. names that are public. We're giving underhanded pitches at first to make sure that they like, you know, we don't got Lou Ezan's number can't get a hold of him. What about David Grash can't get a hold of him? What about Matt Grown? What about Dylan Borlland? What about senior Chief Wiggins whoever They asked by that testified, that's an underhand pit. You're like, no problem, publicly list. What do you mean you can't a hold of them? I'll connect your on signal. I mean, it was like testing the waters in my eyes to see how far we can trust. the investigation. We wanted to trust it U Look, I will say this is that first of all, shout out to youAP James because he goes online and he cuts these like super cuts, these really important clips of all these different things. That's how I saw this testimony in Congress. I would have missed it It was You AP James, shout out, Dude, you do good cuts. So that's how I saw it This is the second whistleblower. that has Told us camera to the public. ODNA oper ODN I operation where they're supposed to be protected, not just spied on by CIA. Okay, CIA spies on ODN I. who cares? I mean, you should care They spy on the whistleblowers who were supposed to be protected. That is why they came in to talk with them. We were given assurances So this is the second whistleblower that we brought public now that went through the ODNI process and told us not only were they trying were they lying about them? likeike they lied about Mat Brown alsoso they told me and you and we talked about it, that they tried to entrap them for treason. pretty underhanded and it's equally confusing. The guy who testified before Congress was the head of Dig. That's this the director's initiative. He was the guy in charge of looking at all of these various sensitive topics On behalf of Tulsi Gabbard and ODNI So he's in charge of it He's a former CIA guy himself A longt timee CIA guy and he's there telling the Senate that the CIA, his longtime employer was spying on him on the organization inside the new setup, this thing called Dig which was that was the first time we heard that term was the day that we met with them, the day after the Senate excuse me, the the congressional testimony in the House last September Um, you know, it's it's it's very complicated if the CIA has people inside OD and I already, former CIA guys working for OD and I still reporting back to CIA and then outside CIA is also spying on the whole operation I mean, you know, kind of blows your mind. We did share this story. with the audience in Big Minville Um at the this UFO fest And I don't know, do we go to the tape I say let's watch it, but I want to break something down with you after. I got like five things I wrote down as your're talking that we got to hit. So let's watch the entire public Mc Mineman's, McMinville, UFO fast Dy in Borland and we did not announced beforehand that he was going to be the whistleblower that is the first time speaking publicly rather than under oath other than weaponized or in a public setting first time. So I'm sure it had to be nerve wracking for him. But I want to talk to people about what happened before and after that. So let's play the tape and you and I come back. So unfortunately, it falls to me to deliver some Uncomfortable news here. You ever get the feeling that you're living in a simulated reality? You know, some days seem more real than others. And you wonder is this all real or not? And I feel that way every time I come to this event for some reasons I'm going to explain. I mean, Is our life is my life the result of some pimply faced super alien teenager in some parallel dimension or something like that, a higher dimension, an alternate reality, I wonder about it sometimes. And unfortunately, I think it's true. And what that means is that in particular This simulation here tonight is mine, which means that All of you are bit players in my simulated reality. It all evens out though, because you all have your own simulated realities, and I'm just a bit character in those. So you know, it kind of balances out a little bit And the reason I think about this that it's a simulated reality here is because of the synchronicities and weird coincidences involving my life and our host, Mc Minemans. had I think the universe is trying to give us a little clue about what my reality is all about Jeremy and I are always happy to be here and always happy to participate in something that's produced by McMinemmanans because of the similarities that we share Uh number one being, um They produced a lot of beer, yeah They brew their own beer and they dispense it in their own taverns and I happen to like beer and taverns. they They grow their own own grapes and they produce these premium wines. Wine? Yeahah, I'm good with that too. They They roast their own coffee beans and produce their own coffes Really high quality stuff. I drink about three quarts of it a day on a typical day The fourth similarity is cats. I don't know if you've been through their gift shops or seen the t shirts and coffee mugs, and they've got cats all over the place. We were just introduced by a guy who's got a gigantic alien cat on his shirt. I happen to you know have a lot of love for cats. I am owned by six of them at the present time We have six rescued cats that run things in our home. My wife and I rescue cats. and so I think that that similarity is pretty interesting as well. fifth one is They save and restore and repurpose old buildings. It's something that I have done in my professional life and personal life in Las Vegas dedicating myself to help out saving buildings that would otherwise be torn down for some new casino. And of course, as an old guy who could use some restoration myself, I mean, I relate to that whole thing And then of course, the last similarity, UFO's. They produce McMinon produces the best UFO conference in the world I mean, I've been to them all over the planet. This is the best by far. I mean, all of you folks take it seriously, but you also still know how to have fun. You're not crazy. You don't spend every waking moment of your life digging into UFO's, or do you Well, I mean, you know, so we got beer, wine, coffee, cats, old buildings and UFO's. I mean, it suggests to me that this simulation is designed for me I'm okay with it, you know, I'm okay with it. It's not just a bunch of coincidces. I keep telling myself though every year that I come back to this event. I keep pitching it, and McMinneman's doesn't seem to pitch up catch up on it is that look, you know, I'm interested in all this stuff that you guys are into. I'm young and hungry, I'd work for intern wages. Why don't I get hired It's not scripted in my simulation, so it's not going to work out. The last similarity though, is a little bit more serious. Jeremy and I have been talking about what kind of presentation we would do here tonight for months And we had something definite in mind to talk about whistleblowers You, our work, whatever we do, is so dependent on whistleblowers. The information that comes our way is from whistleblowers. Most of them do not go public in any way. They help us find things that other people can't find and bring truth to folks like you here and on weaponized and other platforms at our disposal. They put everything at risk. I mean, they put their lives at risk to bring us a little closer to, I won't say capital D disclosure because we're not anywhere near that, but at least closer to truth, closer to transparency. They risk their careers, their livelihoods, their families, their lives in many cases. You know, we were planning on talking about whistleblowers and one whistleblower in particular Tw days ago Kaboon Something drops on Capitol Hill This witness comes forward, James Erdman, IId, who had worked as a career officer at CIA who had gone to work for ODN I, the office of the Director of National intntelligence, OD and I. Tulsi Gabbard is the person that holds that job, and he says, I went over to OD and I, I was put in charge of something called DIG, the Director's Initiative group They launched a series of very quiet confidential investigations into very serious topics U a couple well, it's not even a year ago. and kept it very quiet One of those topics was the origins of COVID, and that's what he was called to testify about. One was about JFK, the murder of the president. One was about I think It's not Havana syyndrome. it was Yeah ye. you know, some very MK Ultra was one. And lastly, it was UAP. Now, we happen to know about the UAP investigation because Jeremy and I, and we're going to get into that, he's going to share some details with you. We were the first people they called in about it. And what happened was outrageous, outrageous and illegal. This guy testified under oath before the Senate that CIA, which is under ODNI, ODNI is its boss. CIA reports to ODNI, that while these whistleblowers had come in to share information, putting their lives, their careers at risk to share information because their government asked them to do so had been spied upon phones were tapped Their computers were hacked The CIA was not doing this to help the investigation. They were doing it to collect dirt on these people completely violating any confidentiality pledges that have been given, privacy pledges and ignoring that they were investigating, spying on their own boss organization. That's what he testified to. And so that is quite an amazing synchronicity leading up to what Jeremy and I had talked about presenting here today. So I'm going to give it turned over to you from here on. What's up, Mc Mam Beill, How you doing? Yeah What a cool moment this is. George's middle name is Motherfucking, so George, Motherfucuckking' nap is in the house M My birth certificate. Yeah, yeah. took a little It's like moving the nuclear football every once in a while. I got to change sh it around to get him here. Man, I'm so grateful George is here. I couldn't do this with. I wouldn't want to do this without him. So this is really neat. We all get to hang out. There's breaking news. tonight is about transparency And I didn't know how far we're going to be able to go I didn't know how this night was going to go down. You're in for a treat tonight is really, do you have a guess who's here? They literally have no idea is a we kept a secret. Can we keep secrets? I guess we can. Part of telling secrets is keeping secrets You know, look, I'm going to get to brass tacks right now. When I met George Knapp, he had one cat and thought I was CIA. Now he has six cats and thinks I'm ONI. They told me. My wife made a piece of artwork that he is sure is spying on him because it makes sound at night. So Just wanted to level with you before we get started George and I have had a good run. The only reason why we're doing this is because of you because I am like you. When we're standing up here, we're talking about this. Curious as fuck it's a sickness. I am disturbed. I am weaponized I am weaponized I want to know I want to know the truth and I don't know the full truth But what I do know is that along my journey I have been lost And sometimes people anchor you And George anchored me. And I hope that we can anchor you a little bit into where the fuck this is going So So McMinville, just real quick, real quick, McMinvill, round of applause for existing on planet Earth right now. Let's go. So I don't want to waste any of your time I want to get deep into this. We have a special guest tonight. This individual, have any of you watched the movie Sleeping Dog yet And so that was like a half ass thing. So those of you that haven't, this is a movie about George's in my reporting. this kid, Michael Lazovski, I gave him twenty years of my footage because I said, I'm not making all these movies, goo make five UFO movies. And then he saw what happening to me and George. And he turned the cameras around and I was very resistant. It's a very personal movie I like I don't it doesn't feel good to watch it for me or my mom. or my family. But at the same time It tells the truth And we provokeed something with this film If you've been paying tension It's provoked something Now in this film, You hear somebody And you hear a conversation that you are not supposed to hear because by the way, I just want to be real clear with everybody. I' recorded every single conversation that I have ever had since twenty eleven with federal officers, everybody, go ahead, come after me. I've done it. That is my protocol. I have recorded these conversations and one of those people are recorded with you here in the film, and he is it's a hard moment for him didn't you see him standing up with his hand in Congress and his name? is Dylan Boylland. Let me tell you something about Dylan Borland, real quick. Dylan Borland served our country for fifteen years. He was an all source analyst. He worked for agencies I'm not legally allowed to name Right. And also the products that he created put to a bunch of intelligence agencies, including directly to the president through numerous administrations. This is a guy that our government trusted with the secrets of America And he broke from the fold. He said, somethingomet you need to know. this is disturbing Now you be the judge, but he's my friend And the one thing I know about Dylan Borland is that he's honest as fuck So here we go. We're going to tell you some shit tonight We're gonna see where it lands. But we're going to tell you something you never heard before So it's time want I want you guys to give a round of applause for mine and Georgeia's friend, a guy that I really admire and his name is Dylan Borin. Is this working? It I don't know if disclosure' working, but your microphone is working. Well, I appreciate all the jokes. George, you know, we go adopted the kitten. so my wife and I are big fans. You guys got me chuckking water back there like at the hearing. I drank all George's water there. Oh I gotta hold this up higher. My bad. Mike to the mouth as Rogan told me, Mike to the mouth Yeah, so it's thank you guys. Thankk you all for being here. Awesome. I'm gonna be a little nervous. I'm an introvert. I live in the woods. so this is wild to me. But no, it's a pleasure. Thank you to McMinaman, thank you to the town. Thank you to the two other speakers today, Matthew and Kelly. Thank you to everybody Long Rad to G here. We all know Nick Pope, Dr. Thigpen passed away. Absolutely. And I never met Airman Sullivan, but that has been in the news and he, I know Dave, love Dave and Dave. really cared about him. so Matthew Sullivan So also him. So thank you guys for what you do because this wouldn't happen without these two next to us forty years, almost, George with Bob and What's happening? So thank you We got to go through how we know Dylan. Let's start U We had a code nameame for him. Jeremy had been talking to him for a while. We went back to Washington to do some skull duggy, and the last thing we were going to do on that trip was to meet with Dylan I didn't know his name at that point. And we arrange a meeting outside of DC outside of the district in a state nearby. We're going to meet in a public park We drive down there, I' wondering what the day holds. I knew from conversations Jeremy and I had had basically what his story was. So I was really looking forward to it. We pull into this public park. It's early in the morning. There's nobody there except us and then this black Jeep sitting right next to where we' supposed to meet I look at this Jeep, I think, this seems out of place. There's no person here. There's just this Jeep. And I was suspicious enough and I said,, hey, let's go somewhere else. This doesn't feel right. This is a bad vibe. We drive w. We didn't have a destination in mind. We end up going to this little restaurant on a side street and parked around the block from it on another side street And we go in and we have a very detailed conversation. We come out, an hour and a half later, there's that goddamn black Jeep sitting right up against our bumper. It was like very It It was like an announcement. Yeah, we're watching. Yeah, we're there. It was completely out of place and somehow they had found us, same Jeep that they were watching us. But Jeremy, you had had a meeting with Dylan before, and the same thing had happened a different vehicle showed up Yeah, that was I'd like to hear D We've never been able to publicly talk about this, even privately talk about this. But it was a it's always a stressful situation when you got somebody coming to you saying, I'm going to officially come forward Can you protect me?? And it's like, yeah, totally. L fog. But I think we have a protocol, as you hear in Sleep and Dog that Chuck McCullough is Mine and Georgeia's lawyer. He's the first ICIG in American history. The guy worked thirteen years NSA, nine years FBI, he knows a thing or two So basically, when I met with Dylan We didn't trust each other He didn't trust me. I didn't trust him. He trusted me enough to come to me, but damn, we're in this park and this car pulls up and it just sparks so blacked out windows and sits there. And it was the closest parking spot. and we're like, what the fuck And I'm like, what you got to tell me? And that's the thing is Dylan is so careful to not reveal anything classified. He'll say a bunch like I can't confirm or deny, right? He'll say that. And that's because we don't know the legal situation right now with the case with Dylan's case. So George, you asked me, what was that experience like? Man, I was sweating bullets trying to make him comfortable. You tell me what that was like. Yeah, I mean, I remember that. I actually we had talked about in the weaponiz interview, and I remember I was driving that old Busted Buick and I picked you up in it. Luckily a friend of ours, a mutual friend, had g given me reassurances. So it was kind of more of a like, look I've kind of got into this situation U Here I am. I don't trust what's happening due to what had happened in that whole thing And Yeah, we're sitting there and I'm going through way too much nicotine and we're in a park and we're going through U Langley Air Force Base and touching on a little bit of stuff Dylan has never crossed the line with me because we always assumed that we were being monitored by the CIA. now we know Now we know for sure since yesterday, that blew my mind So he's been so straight peopleople have tried to play him out as somebody who wasn't being honest to me within the intelligence agencies. And I've come to find out They're the fucking We're going to get into that in great detail in a little bit. First to sort of set the stage with Dylan and with other whistleblowers. You know, in UFO world, you have all kinds of people who offer uninformed opinions about what whistleblowers should do Come forward, spill your guts, tell everything you know. They wouldn't dare prosecute you and we'll have your back. The reality is a lot different. So I thought maybe Dylan could start by telling us What his life has been like, the consequences for him stepping forward testifying under oath to Congress and sharing information with Jeremy and I. Yeah, I mean, u I'm going to talk. I want to think about this because I also want to keep people safe. I mean, you understand the situation I'm still in. So you know, it was wonderful. I'm glad I did it Um We see that Congress is moving forward. We see the executive branch is at least playing ball Um You know, thank God, Dave and Lou and all the hearings and your guys's hard work and everybody else covering this and people that are into this, you guys Um But since I went, I mean I'm going be careful. you know, my address was doxed. People put pictures of the inside of my house U some very personal things with family and friends. A You know, I won't get into specifics, but you have certain videos and text messages that I have saved and sent to you about very I take it as a threat call it a perceived threat, to be fair. Yeah I always say there's perceived threat because I went through that if you watch Sleeping Dog, like I went through a time, I don't know if it's perceived threat, or a real threat, but it still feels like a threat And so I don't want to diminish it by saying perceived threat. He's had some things he's not going to say tonight They' real threats. What about real consequences that are you that you can talk about? Your job. Do you still work for the federal government? You work for an intelligence agency? Do you have a clearance? So I do not work for any government agency. I am currently living my best life off savings in frugally living my best life G Carance is gone, right? So I don't know. So my clearance was valid when I went to DNI and I had all my tickets and my polygraph. everythingvery was good then. I have not put in a request to figure out if my clearance is still valid. I would assume it is though I would assume unless I did an admin withdraw, which goes back to what BAEA did to me years ago, which is for those of you who don't know, it's basically like a It's a bureaucratic way to force somebody to have their clearance withdrawn. So you don't lose it, it just doesn't exist. Are you employed? No. Have you tried to find employment? I have. Will you ever be able to work for a government agency again? I don't know the answer to it. I highly doubt it. And have you applied Kind of. I'll say, look, to go be a park Ranger up here, I mean, this is a beautiful place. I'd be a park Ranger. I'll take you guys out You know He'd the most fun park ranger on planet Earth. But I think Mick Renms is about to hire me, so I'll get to in. Thank you. I need it. I think what George is getting at is so What people don't understand when people come to me and George and they're like, we have something we want to say. and like can you an we say it? I said, Do you want to say it in front of Congress? So it's like maybe two and a half months that I had like national security people vetting Dylan to be able to testify, right? Like by the way, Not the time he testified, like before too. they had the option And a bunch of people never make it A bunch of people never make it to testify And that's not like I would put him out right away. So here's the deal. When he says he doesn't have the job, people rely on their clearances to get jobs. likeike David Gush is an anomaly. I fucking love David Grush. Shout out to David Grush. Give a hand of applause Yeah Man I think him, Bertchet and Luna got balls the size of church bells. So here's the deal David Grush is like an anomaly. He got hired back into government after being a whistleblower. When in history has that happened? Someone like Dylan, he knows when he raises his hand and does that It is over. Matthew Brown It is over And that is their career, the idea that they could continue with certain clearances. So Dylan has and his amazing wife who the incredible couple, right It's been hard for them. So Dylan was like, can I say what you were applying for Yeah, go for it. Yeah. So like he's applying to go to like work at Home Depot and work at a bank. He's trying to figure out how to make a living for his life. That's the reality. So can you imagine when people come forward to me in George and we're like, oh yeah, great idea You'll have no career So people like Dylan They decide to tell you the truth is more important in Mind. tyypical everyday career I've been working on for seven, fifteen years for Dylan. Do you understand Can you can you imagine the manager at Home Depot that's looking at your resume? Oh, you reported to the president, is that right? I mean, I can tell you firsthand. you know, it's a joke. Matt and I have talked about it. Dave,, Herrera, we all kind of loosely know each other by now, you know, I think We're all looking out for each other, really trying to help each other, help their spouses, kids. I mean, this takes a toll on people Um, but u Yeah, what you just said, you know, usually most people that work a normal job, you know, Walmart take a look at and they go,, you're either schizophrenic or you are way too qualified and you are knocking and hired. Did they try to make you at one point seem crazy? I mean, I don't know if you can share that. Well, yeah, we talked about the second interview. We talked about it in this audience a little bit. Well, I mean, this goes right back to like the whole thing with I'll be respectful We had talked about this before The problem is is that these agencies, which we now know, and you just talked about it, so you have CIA working for Dig, you have CIA, they're called Kox onofficial cover. They work in all assets of life Oh Bs. U Cpentry chefs. Chef is another famous one Um These positions basically, you have people embedded With this subject, some people are read in, some aren't, and some people know what they're looking for and some don't But you get in this situation where basically Once you bump up against a wall, youre You're kind of stuck. So's how do I want to word this? It's It's difficult to explain I It's difficult to explain You had doctors at the VA I did wasn't in. She The doctor at the VA was a CIA doctor, a CIA employee worked Wored at the CIA and knew quuite a lot about my career. personally and name people that I worked with. So did she think you're perfectly balanced? Give you a thumbs up to go back to work? So officially Yes, because again, I was working. I had my officially on my clearances to work, but I couldn't get another job But medically, in the medical record system, that is still a headache, you're aware of It is a different story, what is being What is being said for documentation to have to be used against me and others. So similar thing with David Rush. interrupt for one second. So this is a really deep story It's been years of us unpacking it. It's been me vetting Dylan what he said, George and me finding out What's going on? There's too much to unpack tonight about what has been done to Dylan behind the scenes, but just like Matthew Brown David Grush Loua Lzondo, Jay Stratton All these guys, there's an operation behind to dismiss them, but I want to get to brass tacks with you. There's a reason why Dylan came forward. And I have specific knowledge. I'm going to talk to you about tonight. I don't know if Dylan can confirm some of this. We're going to ask them in real time. So let's see what happens But'm Bottom line is UFO's, right Non human intelligence, craft, reverse engineering. What does Dylan know Why did he feel compelled to throw away his career to tell you something Were they threatening before he decided to talk? or did he decide to talk? and then he got threats I know I'm just going speak about you like you're not here I know their life. It was years of me being able to trust him Dylan is telling you like it is Why we had him testify? Not only did he have a personal experience on a base What we would consider a UAP, although we're wondering if it was reverse engineered by the United States military But there's something else And that's something else we're going to talk about tonight because you did not hear him testify about it in front of Congress. So tonight For the first time, we're going to talk about that So let's get to brass tacks. Let's start very simply You were on a base official capacity You were an all source analyst. You were working at night. You went out for a cigarette break. I think this audience wants to know What did you see Exactly. So one correction, I was a geospatial analyst at that time Um Yeah, as I testified to, I s in there smoking a cigarette and a light pops up near the NASA hanger. I can't tell you if it was in it. I can't tell you if it was landed next to it. I can't tell you if the light was just off I see a light pop up from the hangar, about one hundred hundred about fifty a hundred feet Pops up, stops, finish my cigarette, start walking up to it to go walk around the track Light flies right to me, stops fifty one hundred feet in front of me. And as I said, I can't tell you if it was active camouflage. I can't tell you if it manifested But a approximately hundred foot triangle, equilateral triangle, about one to two stories thick, stops right above me, cell phone gets hot, completely freezes, static electricity, and it had this gold lava like fluid. I can still see it. And it's just hovering there for about three minutes. Um The center light flashes, it was a white light The center light was about two to three times bigger than the corner lights. The center light flashes and just takes off. I estimate commercial jet level. I can't confirm it shhoot straight up, stops. I get my cell phone reset, and as I'm resetting my cell phone, I can smell a thunderstorm. What smells like Thunderstorm. Yes, that is the term that is commonly known in the IC for it Jeremy said ionization. And it gets up there and I'm trying to take a picture of. I'm like, noobody's ever going to believe this. I was on my phone with a buddy of mine who's a federal government employee at the time and I get him back on. I'm like, you're never going to believe this And it just hovers there and then it starts to go right over the Atlantic Ocean. And if I didn't watch it do it, it would have look like a satellite It would have looked identical to just a slow moving satellite, sorrying to go over there But it had instantaneous acceleration shot up to the sky. In my estimation, commercial jet level in seconds. This is not why Dylan Borelland is a whistle bllower What people don't know is what he said behind the scenes to all government agencies, including ARO, OD and I, and his big thing was to the ICIG. Do you know what ICIG is Okay, insspector General is like the police. The ICIG is the intelligence commommunity inspector General. It took me a while to figure that out So basically, it's like the police or the intelligence agency. So if you don't want another MK ultra in America and people running out of control and spying on you as American citizens, you'd have a police. The first ever in history was Chuck McCullough. Look it up. He's the first ICIG in human history. I don't remember the guy's name right now. It's Chris something, but anyway, here's the deal. They're supposed to be the police of the intelligence community So when Dylan Borlland comes forward, he's not talking about this craft necessarily. there's something else that he's talking about he's telling the ICIG in a filmed interview and he's drawing them pictures. And we're going to get there in a second. Butm, hey, man Do you think that was ours what you saw? Because George and I really hope it was ours, USA I uh Let me think about how to answer this very carefully So you had a friend on, a friend of mine that I met after me, who had seen something similar in Florida who you are you talking about? Dan who We're good. He was wasas he on my podcast? He was. George, he was on our podcast So you guys, there was somebody else that saw one of these triangle crafts So the reason I the weaponized episode The reason I bring it up is I want to be really careful and clear on. Garel, by the way, if villans forget Galarl, Daniel Gockarel, watch that episode I try to be polite with people. He's on I know. He's un weaponized. I uh I happen to know the one I saw at Langley Air Force Base was not ours How As we discussed based off of Classification guidance with Arrow who was mandated because they did not, it's called original classification authority. So what that means is Agencies in different jobs in the IC have the authority to classify information at the level they determine. Arow did not have that. Tim Phillips in his interview with Chris Sharp, and you both talked with Chris about this, Tim Phillips acknowledged He did not have it So Arow had to go to the agencies when whistleblowers came forward And agencies will report to Arrow, what the classification of what we are testifying to at Arow is Arrow classified certain things But Arow did not classify that triangle. and if it was ours, they would have classified it as they did with other things related. Oh shit, I'm just realizing something. I'm a slow I'm like a caveman. So so in your assessment, because the classification process triangle you saw that day over or near the NASA hangar, Where's my gold when we need him Um was not hours mean in United States I am ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent sure. There's other things with it that are classified that it did do. Wh' was it then China, Russia, whose was it? My opinion None of the above. Can you sort of bring us up to date on, okay, you're on a base, you see an unknown craft lot of Service members have done that, intelligence people have done that. It didn't get them in trouble, didn't get them in a position where you are. What is it that led you to be on the wrong side of the law kind of a thing with these IC folks? What got you in trouble? Is it learning other things other than just seeing that craft or learning inside information about what we would call legacy programs? I think it's a combination of both. I think the problem was is that I had talked about this, and a friend of mine, one of my tech sergeants, had heard me talking about it, and he was like, Hey, you probably don't want to say that But when I had stumbled my way into BAU systems after I finished my master's degree, Um There were people there that were well informed of this subject, what people would call legacy program employees and heard me talking about this and some other things And they had assumed that I was read in because of what I was saying about how to hide these things in private companies, having seen the triangle, having done XYZ, and our Because of that and because people thought I was speaking about a special access program out of school kindind of had a little hitout on me So you're talking about hiding things within aerospace companies. you yourself were hidden inside an aerospace company. You're working for a government agency But you're reporting to work at a private company, a big private company every day, right That is fair to say, yes. Dylan has certain restrictions. I just got on a call today with Chuck McCullough, who's our Georg and my federal lawyer. And we're like, Hey, we got to protect him. He's about to talk publicly. for the first time outside of Congress, Dylan Borlland is here with you. So this is like a wild West situation Yeah. So our job, George and me, we've promised. George taught me from day one, George said, prrotect sources or witnesses or whistleblowers especially if they don't protect themselves. So we have to be a little bit gentle here. You can't completely tell us agenciesellig agencies you work for. You can't tell us. Again, so to clarify, going right back to Congress, I still haven't gone through DOSer. Everything I have said is completely noton approved. I am speaking at will of myself and not on behalf of any agency or the United States Air Force, DOD, DW Everything I am talking about I have never been approved to speak. DOPSer is a process where Say a witness or say you've been an intelligence guy, worked for CIA or something, you don't want to write a book You have to submit that to a process. Any agency which has information and programs or assets that are mentioned in that book, you have to go through the Dopser process and all of them get to take a shot at what you write, what you say. You're not writing a book, but you are being careful about what you can say in public. Yeah, and I think this goes back to the other whistleblowers. Most of them have gone through some form of approval. I have been playing this so safe that even if I get into a space which goes back to weaponized interview where we were redacting things that are publicly known, but I don't want to put people in danger and I don't have approval Um But that is correct. You are supposed to Any that might broach that subject or your time in the government, you are supposed to get approval. Did you have to do that to appar before Congress? I thought I did, but we did not have time. I was given six days notice. Yeah, let me talk about that because I set that up. So first of all, like someone like Matt Brown, he used the State Department to get through the doOster process Dr. James Lekatsky, George's friend, he ran the UFO program for the Defense Intelligence aggency. He came on our show a bunch of times. He hasn't done a bunch of shows. He went through Dopster to be able to tell George We have a non human intelligence UFO in a holding base and we breached whole of it That's a gigantic admission That is disclosure of a non human intelligence graft, right Yes, and it took u We co wrote a book called Skin Markers of the Pentagon. It took fourteen months to get through the doopster process. We thought it would never end Jay Straton, who was in charge of theAP task force was part of OsAP and ATEP. He's still waiting. It's been a year and a half to year. And it's Lou Elizondo, it's Jay Strand. they all got to push through, right to the doopster process. But Dylan is kind of freeballing it. Dylan saying he is, you know, he's saying, I have to be so careful, but there's a reason why I brought Dylan in And I just want to give you insight if I can real quickly about what that's like and Congress will tell me There's a hearing coming And then Ill say, good luck, what do you need I'll hear nothing And then all of a sudden, I get a panicked phone call. It's supposed to be in three days. I'm like, what are you talking about This is how it works And then I'm like, okay, so you give me three weeks And you will have firsth people Who do you need? What do you need And then I put them through the ringer Dylan did it with me twice. just like, can he talk publicly? So I'm literally on these video calls every damn day for two and a half months sometimes prior to a hearing. And it's like there's these national security spooks, there's people recording the calls. And I said, sure, I'm recording it too. They're like, that's illeal. I go, o You're recording it. You're a federal agent. You work for me I record every fucking call and I told them. So here's the deal Dylan's going through this process. He has no idea if he's going testify. What is his life going to be like? Guess what George and I were supposed to testify with twelve videos out of the forty six you're about to see, they say, which I believe And u They stymet us and we weren't able to show you those videos. So Dylan, It's like He had what was it four days I called you four days before. Yeah. so we had gone through the process When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed sponsored jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Listeners of this shel will get a seventy five dollars sponsored job credit at indndeed dot com slash podcast That's indndeed d. com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apppply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs The other people were selected and I was kind of maybe. Yes for that whole dangers what you're gonna to say? No,'s what that's what they were thinking. Well, yeah, obviously. Not Congress, by the way. Repaluna, R Burchet, R Burlison, they are fighting for you They are pushing for you. Yeah, I don't care I don't care about politics. I don't care about that. They are fighting for you. So the whole thing with Dylan is Four days before they're like, Ohh yeah, okay, you can now talk And it's like he had no time to prepare. How do you do adopts her in four days? You don't Well don't. One quick thing we gott to remember too is my attorney for the IG had specifically told me not to talk to Congress. and when I was asked to do it, I said, I will talk to Congress. And this goes back to our interview, which I said I have now gone Not against my attorney's wishes at the time. 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We don't know if they're from other planets or other realities What do you think about those? Do we have those things I'm going be really careful here. I will quote Lou, Dave Lakatski and play this game because we're starting to brush into things that are getting a little spicy.ood.ing having a feeling knowing where we're going with things I'm going to say One hundred percent, yes I don't know how far we haven't planned this interview out. you drew some pictures Okay,, hold on. We got toa be real gentle here. Yeah. So in weaponized If you watched it, you saw Dylan draw a photo of a triangular craft that he saw come up. He drew that for the ICIG. He drew that for Arrow He made sure that that drawing and all the information was given to the appropriate organizations and agencies as a whistleblower Dylan Borland. is a whistleblower There's a twist. So I don't know where you want to go with this, but What were you asking? I'm scared what you're going get kind of blew my question out of the water there, didn't you? I'm kind of scared of little bit too. Are youow to are you allowed to say to this audience When you finally find your thing, you want the whole world to know about that thing. So you use a thing called Canva to make it an even bigger and better thing. Whether you want to create flyers for that thing, make presentations for that thing, or design merch for that thing, you can do anything So people can see your thing, feel your thing, love your thing. The next thing you know, it's a thing. Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing. what you drew pictures of Let me talk for you after you answer that. I can say I drew a picture of a triangle and other drawings, as I have said already. Other drawings, that's as far as we can go. Okay, hold on. So I'm going to spill the beans now to this audience and I think it's time that we do it. And if I fuck this up, George, that's why you're my mentor in journalism. Okay? Well I wr right D prison. I have to you guys are the journalists. You guys have certain protections that I don't have. We do there's seven protective classes. So when FBI approached me and George, they had to go through a six month process because There's seven protected classes. and I'm so glad they considered me a journalist. We have broken a ton of stories, but like George Npper is my mentor in journalism. I say that because I want to make sure everybody understands we're working together on these stories that change things. man, we're really pushing But here's the deal I'm going to say something under the guidance of my lawyer tonight And I'm just going to straight up fucking say it And I want you to know it. I don't know what Dylan can respond to responsibly and it's my it is my job and George's job to protect him, but we're going there anyway. So you do your best Um I don't know what you just said, but I heard red brum and it reminds me of Kubrick and the fucking I'm having a panic attack. same Okay. so so so check it out. ODNI the Office of the Director of National Intelligence They had a program It was called The Dig, the Director's Initiative George and I were the first people that they contacted. They said, we're going after COVID the lies, We're going after Havana syndrome, and we're going after the lies about UAP. We are going to reveal this to the world. And George and I look at each other. we're like, cool. Should we talk with them? And we did They said you want to get in the skiff? And I'm like, no Do you want to come to the visitor center? I'm like yeah, that sounds good. So we went to the visitor center because we figured we wouldn't have to put our phones in a box, but we actually ended up having to put our phones in an agent's car, which was a mistake. Yeah, for real And I don't know, I think, for real Who knows? But OD and I was studying the UAP thing and they were like, we're going to get to the bottom of this. And George and I were He was cautiously optimistic is what he would say, because he's never optimistic And I was like, these the fuckers are trying to get everybody, but we you know, but we went, we went First contact And I said, okay, she's cool as hell But you need somebody who's a bulldog And I said this to a higher up We got a bulldog I like the guy. I really likeed the guy. I love love to have a beer with him sometime. But he did some dirty shit. I think, I think he did. So here's what happened. They asked us, who's willing, as far as whistleblowers, to come forward and talk to us and tell us what's going on with UAP So I'm like, oh my God, Lou Eizando, Jay Stratton, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, Daniel Gkarell, like there's a ton of people, like a commommander Fraver, haveave you talked with him? He's a bowler. Are you ready? He was here, by the way, a number of years ago Right. So I was like, okay, no problem. So George and I put a bunch of people in But we warned them. Initially, we used names that they should have known already. Yeah. You know, we didn't use all the names of whistleblowers, for example. We used the the names that Dr. Lekatski, Jay Straton, Lou Alazando People they should know that they should have approached before they approached us. And we asked everybody that we put in. I called Dylan. I'm like, do you want to do this? I called Matt Brown. I called David Grush and David already knew the investigation was going on. but like, do you want to do this? You know, they say they're really going after it So that's kind of how it started. So OD and I had an investigation called the Dag Tulsi Galbert is the head of ODNI And I really from my friends that know her, like she's straight and on the level about UAP So we go in George and I into the visitor center I didn't to get a skiff. our phones were still taken. So we go in and They tell us, we're going to get to the bottom of this And this is nine months of me. recording every single phone call, notot accidentally, by the way, my cameras just record shit at my house and I always talk on speaker phone ain't myault It's not my fault. It's been happening forever. But here's the deal. He swears all of m. confidential conversations with them or not take. Nobody cares about the Odin and the cats pissing on the artwork space catsace. I do. You ever noticice like the cats jump up behind George's head whenever's doing a podcastway So Just to be I'm trying to be so clear and transparent with you to set up what we're about to talk about which is I warn Dylan I warned Matt I warned Lou Eizondo. I warned everybody that I don't know these people, but they are knocking on the door like let's talk. So I said, do you want to talk with them? And everybody, to their credit, everybody's like, Yes, brother, let's do this. let's talk to them. Let's move this forward. Nobody was resistant. There was no hesitation. was just u vers Everybody was like, let's do this. Do you guys remember when senior chief Alexandra Wiggins testified? rememember that? Active Navy officer Oh my God, the amount of bureaucracy I had to go through to even submit his name is insane. dude and people like that, everybody's willing, everybody's ready to go So Odie and I, I don't want to vilify Odie and I Odie and I is essential and it's a awwesome group of people. There's one woman that we met that was just so cool in that and They're all like Really, I think, fighting for the truth, but under the direction of a number of other people However During that process, did you watch the Matthew Brown weaponized where he told you his experiences as a whistleblower just trying to go in and testify to the government about what happened? Did you hear what he said Yeah, he said they tried to make him a villain They told me he lied to me and George They told me he made up Immaculate constellation. Little did they know that George and I did our homework Little did they know that we already knew about all that stuff. They said he was a Jew hater They did He got by the information while he was at a Jewish wedding. He did. He did. said Matthew Brown. It's so funny like it hurts my heart to call you guys and tell you when people are trying to entrap you and arrest you and put you into treason. But anyway, I called Matt and he was at a Jewish wedding. and he's like I'm part Jewish. He's like, what do you mean? And I go, it's not me. I didn't say that. They said you said you're a Jew hater. And I said, so I recorded everything and it's just like It's so sad to me. It's sad to me that they're trying to make me and George do the dirty work to you and tell you these guys are full of shit You know, when people like Dylan have served their country, I know Dylan, man. He served his country and he served you and he's an honest human. They're not trying to get anything out of this. They're just trying to tell you what's up Over the months that these conversations continued They slimed everyone. They slimmed every witness who came in told us why they're bad people, why they can't be trusted. All of them, Lou Elizondo James the Katsky Jay Stratton whyy they can't be trusted So we have not seen the final report. I'm not sure the public will ever see the final report. It hasn't been made public. I'm not even sure Congress will get it. But we have a general pretty good idea about what is in that report, and it's not very complimentary about the topic. We believe and suspected from the beginning that after we figured out what the agenda was The real purpose of this ODNI investigation, as it's being led by the directors underlings, was to cut the legs off of congressional interest in the topic, to get the media to not take it seriously, to get Congress to back off and focus on something more important than something legitimate. So we're telling you behind the scenes, an intelligence agency comes to journalists like me and George and they're like, do you have willing participants and we're like, ye Of course we do. Everybody wants us out. And they were trying to bamboozzle us. And I don't want to like hate on the principal investigator because I don't know. Maybe he was bamboozled himself, but we were sitting there like, what the fuck is going on When you say words like espionage about Matt Brown and you say words like treason Dylan Borland These yeah, that happened Oh, that happened. And so I've kind of done as a journalist with George, we've documented what's said to us, right? That's what we do. We have to protect ourselves and protect other people. But bottom line is this, I have some hard questions right now And I don't know if Dylan can answer them But I'm gonna ask them And that's what's up So Dylan testified behind closed doors, so did Matthew Brown to a lot of people other than hand up in America, like in hearings. Matthew Brown has not been given his day yet I cannot wait until Matthew Brown can raise his hand under oath and testify to you the American public and say it like it is. George Nnapp and I tried to bring you twelve of the forty six videos in the hearing where they comp te George and I were supposed to testify the hearing before George testified I said, hereere's the twelve videos. They tried to get us into a skiff. My lawyer called me. He goes, donon't go. I was in the shower and Repeluna called me and says, You know I'm not in that skiff, right? And I'm like, what And she so I had talked with with them saying, we were going to bring videos When you have possession and you go into a skiff they will immediately Reverse classify anythingthing that you have, so you can't report on it So we did not go into the Siff and you did not get to see those videos in the hearing before The last one that George and Dylan talked about. In fact, they did a switcharoo on you They had a paid for journalist that they wanted you to trust That's why I was pissed Everybody w to rise piss One because somebody turned into my homework Be they wanted you to trust somebody who is untrustworthy, not worthy of your trust So here we are Here are the big questions What did Dylan Borlland testify to And how can we say it to you legally right now? I have an idea Before I say this, do you have anything to say? Because I'm about to No no So I'm just a bearded tattoo send you money for the cafeteria for. Okay, G Cissary too. My lawyer said I could say this. I want to be again clear. You guys are journalists. I will do my I will protect national security. Okay. so as a journalist, so George and I have been exposed to certain things and here's the deal tonight and O la I talked with our lawyer in the hotel right before we came here Um I was told by an ODNI agent Dylan testify I C I G The police of the intelligence agencies that there is a UFO program And it's called Ribk's cube That's what he said That's what that's what I heard from the ODNI Which they shouldn't be calling me and telling me what was described in a skiff. Sh they Right So I'm a journalist. So I listened And I'm testifing to you, believe me or not I'm a bearded tattoo journalist with a great mentor. You don't need to believe me Project Rubik's cube Dylan I'm not even gonna look at you. Have you haveave you ever testified to ICIG about a UAP program containing UIP. project Rubik's cube Let me collect my thoughts Um I am not in a skiff. I am not going to jail I can neither confirm or deny, but if you want me answer that question, ask for amnesty for the whistleblowers, As Congress and the executive branch to give it to us and I'll answer that question. library. is the thing where now that Congress is open about its interest in the topic and it's asking whistleblowers to come forward, the media, greater number of media, at least than in years past are covering it. The UFO public is demanding it, calling for it, promising to protect whistleblowers. Don't worry, you won't go to prison. We'll rise up in unison and decry any kind of prosecutions and you know good luck. You owe it to the world to come forward and say this, Well, the reality is different for those people because it disrupts their lives Dylan hasn't shared all the information about how what's happened to his life, he and his wife's marriage and their life together. Matthew Brown hasn't told the full story about what it's been like for him and other people. It's been miserable. You know you're under surveillance. You know that your employment opportunities are limited. You may you cl You know, classification still, a security clearance, but you're never going to work in those programs again. You were held in limbo for months, right? Four years. Yeah. Yeah. where you couldn't leave and could couldn't go anywhere else and you knew you weren't going to stay for very long. It was like intolerable to know not know from one day to another whether you had a paycheck coming in anymore agreed. So you know, it's easy to go ahead from in the UFO bleachers, come on whistlelowers, come forward. We got your back. There's nobody helping whistleblowers. There's no fund to help whistleblowers to get them through the hard times that are inevitable when they come forward. And you know,'s I'm glad to hear the public interested and Congress interested, but there's nobody stepping up really to actually help them get through What is a painful, dangerous period of their lives? I've had people call me and say they're creating a whistleblower fund. I go, What the fuck you creating? You're a rich person. There are whistleblowers that literally are going to go get bank teller jobs and they're highly highly trusted with American seecrets. like They need help now. They've had to move home, I don't want to spill secrets, but people at whistleblowers have had to move homes because they couldn't make the paycheck for the rent. And I'm like, why don't you guys are these rich people creating these whistleblower funds? Why don't you help the people that have testified? By the way, So it's such an awkward turtle, you know the upset down turtle, It's like an awkward situation But I'm just starting. so I'm I got to get through these points with Dylan And I don't know how this is going to go I don't want to look at you. So I'm going to just testify as a journalist to what George and I were directly told because this stuff is supposed to be classified. But if they tell me I have never signed an oath. I have never worked for the government. Neither have George. It doesn't matter what they say, we're journalists, so let's fucking go. You ready Okay So my next question is very, very simple. So you went, Dylan, you can affirm this. You went to the ICIG, the police of the intelligence agency, and you did a formal complaint with a ball or lawyer And you told them about your exposure to UAP information. Can you just say yes or no about that? Absolutely yes. Okay, great So I am assuming, because I was told by Odie and I that one of those programs is called Project Rubik's Cube and you can't confirm that. I'm going to move on I was told Actually, I was asked to try to entrap Dylan When George and I did the filming of Weapon Eyes and He drew the tririangle Dyl then draw anything else? I said, no. Why? And my lawyer is like, stop talking with OD and I. I go, no, no, no, no. I want to find out what they're saying. So a prime investigator, Bodie and I said to me, Dylan tell you Sureid Power source. And I go, no, tell me more What are you talking about? What are you talking about? He never said that And he didn't Dyillan's a patriot. He's careful. He doesn't endnd adopir So my question to Dylan in front of you. I don't want to look at him. It's real simple. Did you Draw an image of a non human intelligence Pyramid power source. mayaybe at Pax River for The O D N I Did you? Yes or no I repeat the answer that I gave you for the name of a program that I can either confirm or deny. I can neither confirm or deny. That right now, I will gladly answer that if the executive branch in Congress gives me amnesty. If the executive branch in Congress gives you amnesty I can neither confirm or deny If I am legally allowed to answer that, I would love to. You would love to do so. You'd love to answer that question? Absolutely No, no, bro. stop No Dylan is my friend He came forward, apparently, I learned, George and I learned through OD and I. about nonhan intelligence, a pyramid shaped object that is a power source of non human intelligence I didn't learn that from Dylan I learned that from OD and I Is that true I don't know, but he seems to want to answer and he's asking you He's asking Congress for amnesty And he'll answer in front of the American public I've got another question. Are you ready for it Okay And I'm not going to look at you. George and I ur curious cat. George is like, do you know Felix the cat? He had like a bag and in the bag he's like a bunch of stuff. like Curiosity killed the cat? Hell, no. Curiosity weaponized the cat. George George and I got a question Dylan. Borland. This is the craziest thing I heard from ODN I Did you draw a hierglyph that you understood was on that pyramid power source Can you tell us if you went to OD and I and drew them an image of not only the pyramid, but a hieroglyph that was on the pyramid, which would be really weird Did you draw that image for them I unfortunately am going to repeat the same thing because I am not going to jail I can neither confirm or deny Okay Let me back up one second. So what you're not saying is If you're given amnesty that you would answer Mine and George's question If there was a power source that was a pyramid and shaped A triangle for angle of observation, George And there was a hieroglyphic kind of image, which is a weird thing, on that power source of non human intelligence, you would tell the truth to America under oath standing in front of Congress. Would you do that if they gave you amnesty I would tell the truth about everything you just asked. without hesitation G Okay, one more question, last question So George, what I want to highlight now We have not scripted this. We're not ready for this. I happen to know and you happen to know that there was an attempt to entrap, which is legal, by the way, to a federal agency to entrap somebody I believe OD and I or maybe not OdD and I, Arrow or somebody tried to fabricate that Dylan drew a fourth because by the way, I was told those two drawings exist that he drew a pyramid, that he drew which was the power source and that he drew a hieroglyph in the IC IG and to errow And that's what he drew and he told him about Project Rubik'su, but I was told something else And now I know that it's true. It's a lie about Dylan And I'm going to bring it up ton But before we go there, George, so I believe Dylan They were trying to entrap him by falsifying evidence for treason against him. How do we open this George I don't know where to go. You're mentor. Let's go, motherfucker Well, I would just looked at the time and I know that our audience wants to answer questions. No no, I'm not doing that as a dodge. I'm just saying that I know you guys want to ask some questions of Dylan some of which he might be able to ask, answer, and some not. So if you want to ask him one, I one last thing because this is the kind of the point for me tonight. I called our lawyer Chuck Mc Coege tonight and hereere's the deal I was told that Dylan Borland drew a photograph that is highighly sensitive. And it is part of national security and he's not allowed to put that out And he mistook it as UFO and alien related. and it was a censor system. So here's my question. I think Dylan can answer Dylan You can say yes or no to this, dude Did you draw a fourth image for the ICIG when you gave your UFO whistleblower complaint It was a sensor system, and what would that look like and how would you draw that? Not only did I never draw that, I don't know how to draw that. and when DNI person had called me to accuse me of it. I asked to immediately come in the skiff and see it for my own two eyes and to understand who made the claim. and that is why Not only did I get accused of committing treason, which is a lifetime statute of limitations with a death penalty As soon as I asked to come in and see it, he immediately ghosted me and cut all contact No, not at all so you didn't draw a forth drawing. There is no such thing. Okay Did you draw three I didn't answer I did draw Well I can't answer that. I said. I drew one triangle, the triangle I saw it Langley in two other drawings. You can say that Yes What the fuck am I doing? You can literally say, but Would I just ask you those questions? No, differentere. I can say I drew a triangle and I made two other drawings that were classified. So they classify Dylan's drawings that he didn't draw I just want to really drive this home and then George is right. We're going to questions, but I want you to know, George and I as journalists are witnesses with evidence to something We are witnesses to evidence of Oy nine Hold us Now where they lied to? I don't know. I don't want to vilify OdD and I. There's some good people in OdD and I They told me onn the phone If you trust me, I'm telling you and I have evidence They told me that Dylan Borlland drew a sensitive sensor system that was classified. And they they wanted to see if he do it for me and George to try to get him in jail under treason you talking about And then they told me about this sensor system Now here's the deal I asked Dylan Did you draw a sensor system? He goes How would you draw that No, I didn't. And in fact He said, My whole ICIG drawings were filmed So get the film. And I've seen the text where he's trying to get them to bring him in. He's saying, what did you say a fourth drawing? What are you saying? Let me come in and clarify Odie and I call me'd be like, Ohh, we're gonna bust them. I'm like bust them how He didn't draw a fourth drawing And guess what? they never let them come in and validate himself. They never let him come in. So what are they running What are they running? What is that individual or those individuals? what are they running to try to get him for treason? just because he told you about UFO's very he saw one at a base with his hand up. That's what we're up against. And I hope I made my point. I hope you understand. But George and I are journalists as witnesses They tryed to get Dylan Borlland. Matthew Brown, Lou Elazana and Jay Stratton Crimes they didn't commit to stop them from telling you about UFOs. Do you understand Fuck yeah And Dave Grush And David Grush, David hold on, David Grush was was the apex predator here. They tried to get him. They tried to get me to get him. They tried to turn me and George on him. David Grush been telling you how it is, how he knows it since day one. He leaned over at a bar to George and Nap said, I need somebody I can trust. And he went to George and I have it filmed So they're trying to tell you The UFO's ain't real. Well, guess what? forty six videos coming. let's go to Q and A Again, we're talking about what it's like for a whistleblowers. So the kinds of things and we're not even getting into all of it, but you know, Dave Grush is Very sensitive personal information was leaked in a smear attempt. He's been spied upon the surveillance of all of them The Dig program, as we learned from the guy who testified before the Senate a couple of days ago, spied on all the whistleblowers that came in. They hacked their phones, they hacked their computers They've done surveillance. I swear, black helicopters, right, Dylan Black helicopters. you confirm or deny? I have it on film. Yeah. You know, stuff that would make you look crazy. holding over your head the possibility of prosecuting for treason, even if they couldn't convict you. we don't even know if that would be done in a public courtroom or behind the scenes. That's the kind of stuff that whistleblowers face when they come forward on this topic and it's real. It's real. So when UFO public says, come on whistleblowers, come on forward. We'll take carea. It kind of rings hollow with the people whose lives are actually on the line. Let's take some questions. Yeah, we're going to do some Q and A right now. This's my friend right there. A least show what's going on, How you doing? Hey, I was just gonna to say, thanks for lining up here. I just wanted to remind everyone we want to try to get to as many people as possible Please limit it to one question if you can. Thank you. What she's saying is don't be crazy. I don't want to hear about the you every ask Dylan a question. That's what we're doing right now. You can talk to me after. I can't wait Ask Dylan a question or me and George Okay, I guess I'm number one. All right. Dylan, I was just wondering What did you do after You went back inside from your smoke break So I work twenty four seven shift ops. I talked to my buddy told him what I saw and I went back in. I believe at that point in time, I was playing Borderlands too. So I hopped on Borderlands two and took a nap What' up Dylan Borderlandands too, that's a doass game. I just want to say that Bro, honestly, like I have no question All I really want to say is I see you up there. I see your body language. You want to be up there, but you also don't. And I know you are so legitimate And I just w to thank you from the bottom of my heart Honestly, man, look you Be None of us None of us plebbs can really understand what you are going through. In your journey with this Except for that you want to tell the truth And that is fucking so admirable. And I am have so much fucking goddamn respect for you So dude, shout out to you man, honestly. So Real quick, So thank you. I appreciate youre I'm getting choked up. This has been a nightmare for me for years I want to tell you the same thing I tell everybody. Don't thank me. than Jeremy, thank George. than Dave, thank Herrera. thank Matt. than people who are not here. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who have been doing this for years and whistleblowers right now they arere going through things worse than me So thank them too. Oh This is my fourth year here and I have thanked them and I think they are incredible There's a level of polish that comes with doing this year after year. and you are like the raw example of somebody who's just doing this because they think that it's the right fucking thing to do. So than That is true We got an army coming forward and videos are coming out. We're making progress Yeah, I' got chills Dylan. Thankk you so much for coming forward I have a two part question because I need to make sure I'm speaking accurately. Did you have to pay your own way to the hearing in Washington D.C. I have paid my way for everything. I've never taken a sent from anyone or anything, and I in fact refuse reimbursement for travel vouchers Thank you Having said that Why should anybody risk their life to tell the government what they know. government isn't willing to pay for a freaking airline ticket in a hotel room. Damn it Yeah, I understand. I think the trouble with that is and this is part of the problem. this goes back to helping whistleblowers and trying to figure out a way to make it look like the government is not paying people on a political bend. So to my understanding, to be fair government and bringing whistleblowers in, the idea is that if you give The government gives whistleblowers funds. It looks like they're not a whistleblower. It looks like it's a political bend to some extent. and that's why there's been a division there for a while. In fact, when When Dylan went to see OD and I, he would not accept a bottle of waters That is absolutely true. Yeah becausecause they were trying to make it that everybody that came in, they were telling me every day after these SF meetings They were telling me that I was asking for a job And it was it was a lie They were telling me to try to get me and George to do their dirty work Turn against whistleblowers like David Gush, Dylan Borl, Matthew Brown, et cetera, et cetera So Dylan didn't even accept a bottle of water and we hadn't talked actually, I thought we had. We hadn't even talked about it. That's just who he is. So that's straight up. Well I just want to start off by thanking you, Dylan, thanking all three of you for all your work So during your testimony, Dylan, you mentioned a big difference between the term NHI and aliens, right? Space aliens, right? Arrow, we all love them, right? So the question that I have for you or any of you, do we have intelligence that you can talk about that points us in a different direction than extraterrestrials. so such as like undersea bases or some of the other chatter we've been hearing lately. Is that something you guys have been hearing? Can we talk about it I'll let the journalists talk. You know, the triangle that you mentioned, it was none of them, but it was by a base by the sea, right? We hear a lot of ocean terminology lately. I'm giving this to you too You know, we've been at this a long time, Jeremy and I and other people we know who are pretty far up the food chain and I don't think anybody knows for sure where these things are from. I mean, you might know some of them. know wouldould you know for sure if you had an alien body? It looks like an alien, you think it's an alien. Do we know what aliens look like? Aliens being ETs know We might think it, but I don't know anybody that knows for sure I'm not sure there is anybody who knows for sure. Maybe some of it, but not all of it Thank you. We don't know, but one thing real quick,' just I just think like why would you make a Lamborghini if you didn't want to drive fast So why would you make a craft that could travel amongst the stars if you're not traveling amongst the stars? The answer is probably it's more than one answer. you know, We could be the cosmic drive in theater, come and see the weird humans. It's extraterrestrial. Jacques Vale had said it, lookook, if they can do what we've seen them do. manipulate space time Like this, they could be extraterrestrial, interdimensional, cryptoterrestrial Time travelers, all the above and a couple of categories we haven't even figured out yet It's got to be more than one answ G guysys, Rep Luna reached out to me and George Knapp and said, we're getting the forty six videos. We're putting them out to the public This is a great start. George and I, what we've seen, you should see. We should let the internet do its thing, right? It's number one, baby. L let's find out what's going on with the videos. I got to say something real quick. This is kind of where we're ending before the questions, which is like Hey, really cool, we got some releases. This is unprecedented transparency However, at the same time, David Gush If you believe him And then it's not just about these videos where we capture, by the way, an amazing video, instantaneous acceleration. They did not want you to see that. And we took a risk putting it out and so did all our sources, but we put it out. You can see with your own eyes a craft move after it gets a weapons grade law Little bit to the left, shoot to the right. inststantaneous. Don't let any of these debunkers dissuade you. Look at what they say. They're fucking wrong That video was analyzed It's a product of the United States goovernment. It's not just a video. that is their analysis. So now if they put out these forty six, actually forty five because we released number two, which is instantated acceleration, if they put these out thenen you get a glimpse. But David Grush, what did he say David Rush said We have reverse engineering exploitation programs. George knows it's true as well. We do have that He also said we have bodies pilots non human bodies. Our conversation is the floor It's not the ceiling Let's fucking go Thank you Well, hell, you answered a lot of the questions I came up here to ask So we all obviously know that it's true. We've seen things, we study things, we listen to people that are experienced with the knowledge of it. What is the reason you think we've got soft disclosure now But what is the reason that they don't want us to know the truth George now Well, I mean, there are legitimate national security implications for this technology. We know that the Russians would like to have it. They've had their own program. The Chinese have had a program. There is a race to get it I think that our country, the people who are on the inside who've been working on this stuff, I don't know how far we've got and Dylan can't answer how far we've got and trying to reproduce that technology, but it is a race and whoever gets it first wins, you know You have one machine and you control the world. So obviously we want to teology and not An being out there that could conflict with other people's beliefs of there's a God and one creator. I don't think they're really worried about their religious aspects of it. I think there are people who would freak out if the president stands up and says, yeah, there are non human intelligence among us and there's nothing we can do about it. And I don't expect ever to hear an announcement like that peopleeople could handle it, depending what it is. If we're an ant farm, if we're an agricultural product If it's really their planet, if it is My simulated reality and not a real world. I mean, there's a lot of scenarios you could imagine that would be upsetting to a lot of people. But I think we can handle the basics that there's another intelligence here that's not us. They haven't bombed us or wiped it out. We don't see them sending us to slaughterhouses on a mass scale I think we can handle it. But I think part of the secrecy is because of the technology and the race for it, and also because a lot of people would go to jail. They would go to prison when it all comes out. have they' been lying and stealing Maybe tens of billions, hundreds of billions of dollars from legitimate national security programs. Part of it without permission from Congress, without permission from anyone, hiding it inside these giant aerospace companies Lying to Congress, lying to the public, people would go to prison And so I think that could be a reason for it too Just to follow up with that and sorry Do What is the percentage that you think that is our spacecraft and technology compared to maybe extrfresttial I would have no idea to you I would say in my opinion ninety percent are probably ours T approximately ten percent or not That's an amazing answer to me because I have been disillusioned over the years that we have made zero progress. likeike when I got I have the food chain with George, it's like So do you believe that like D am I hope answer that. And you're talking about like all UAP UFOs. So lights, orbs So again, when you have things like Star length that are up sh in the sky. Exactly and accelerate. Dylan is so factual like he is so careful with his words. He's like, oh, yeah things you see ninety percent are misidentified. ninety five percent. I know I agree with him, but the thing is what we're talking about as UFOs We're talking about NHI alien spacecrap. Have you guys watched Sleeping Dog yet Some of you don't even know what that is There's a movie this kid Michael Lazvski put out yesterday on Amazon and Apple. It shows like two years of my life and George and me making a decision to tell you the truth despite the consequences to ourselves Go watch it And and and let you hear Dylan, Dylan is in it before Dylan testified. He's in it His voice is in it Watch it Give the kid a review. He made a good movie. It makes a difference. Go check it out. It's an important moment that we're going through right now because you're about to see forty six fucking videos. So let's fucking go You guys are my heroes Thank you And thanks for making history in this room tonight with us Sorry, the question's kind of like fading from my brain. It's kind of It's McBinbillt THCer Hopefully MDMA. Very important question. It came back. Don't worry. Nice. Everybody loves you. Everybody wants to support you. Of course, the three of you, but you specifically, Dylan, Well, thank you body The question that's burning in my head the whole time I heard this interview and other weaponized interviews and hearing about the struggles that you and people like Matthew and this whole list that we're talking about are going through. I mean, we're talking about going from intelligence to Home Depot, right How can we support you? and is there any form of links or resources that we can find that we can contribute to the betterment of your and your famil's lives, and not just you, but Matthew too, and everybody. So I appreciate it. Matt and I three years ago when Matt and I met Matt and I talked about figuring out a way to get peopleeople who are in these programs and aware of them a way to safely have What would almost be I would call it restitution, where we can get a way to take care of their families, get them psychological help because the other issue is when you find out this is true, people have a tendency to go down the rabbitole And you start to go down the rabbit hole because you're like, okay, I know the governments's lied to me. I know this is true. What else have they lied to me about? you get to MK ultra I' mocking Bird in Northwood and your mind starts racing So three years ago, Matt and I wanted to figure out a way to help other people because we knew what we had landed in We're working on that now I appreciate everybody who wants to help me and everybody else You know, I think the big one and I will stand by this is Hold Government accountable You don't have to agree with the politicians, but if you agree with the subject, As As I said, up there on up there under oath As Tulsi Gabbard, As Cash Patel demand Congress Give them congratulations when they do it and going right up to the president. you know, if I'll say is u Whoever discloses it officially and provides a proof that is a once in a civilization event and they will live for infamy So you know, if you start to look at that through human perspectives I think that will go further But we are working on just supporting and transpare. Disclosure and transparency, we can only go so far. and even and I've never done it to be clear, even if I walked out with classified documents proving everything I said with classification on there And even if I had pictures Most people are just going to say, you're lying. You made it up. The government's not going to respond to it. And this gets into another issue too, which is with disclosure You know, were eighty years. how many people are really going to believe what is being brought forward and what is being declassified? And you're running into that now It's really just having their Hold them accountable and congratulate them when they do good things. And you guys these documentaries in the public, Yeah, in my opinion The transparency has to come from within. That's why we're all playing this the way we are. That's why we're trying to go through these systems we are. That's why we're trying to do this is Not attack the system, hold the system accountable And just pay attention, man. Pay attention. You know that's I think the best thing you can do for people like Matthew Brown and Dylan Borlin and senior Chief Wiggins and Eizano and Strot just pay attention. They're trying to tell you something And they're taking great personal risk and cost. to tell you something Pay attention Yeah. I mean, as publicly and as easily we can find ways to contribute to the betterment of your guys's lives. That's I just care for you guys and All the sacrifices no easy way to do that. The problem is that, you know, then then you become on the take. you become a grifter. like these guys are just trying to tell you what's up They will figure out their lives. They're strong human beings. but we make examples of them how he does lets other people come up to me and George and say, Oh, maybe that's a good idea to do that too I don't know. I don't know how to help just pay attention. They are They are working on a mechanism that would help other whistleblowers. we are leading maybe this year or I believe that is the hope. That is a plan is Keep an eye on on Dylan and Matt. Yeah Dylan Dylan and Matt want to provide something that they didn't get. And I support them wholeheartedly when they're ready to tell you. Let's see hopefully it will help people like them. The next question though, thank you person behind you Dylan, thank you very much. I really do appreciate what you've done and Frankly, hearing what you've gone through frankly makes me a little bit angry, so I'm going to try to get through this through the emotion. so bear with me. but It seems to me that the crime It was done against you. You're being accused of crimes, and you're being accused and you're being held responsible, but who's holding the people responsible that're accusing you? And how do we Jeremy and George, you said, hold Cash Patel, hold Tulsi, hold Donald Trump How do we do that? No, no, the people you mentioned, I don't they're not directly implicated. So you know, maybe George and I are going to report on what we know. Not sure yet if they leave Dylan alone and stop these shenanigans, let's move on. Everybody's got a family. Everybody's taking orders from a higher up overlord or something. You know, It's very rare to be independent like me and George So we't we're not trying to destroy anybody We're I'm not trying to destroy anybody. Congress really is a threat to the secret keepers. I mean, there really are. This testimony came out the other day that we mentioned earlier It's a big deal. It's going to have repercussions. I mean, when you have the guy who is in charge of Dig who was overseeing Not only the UAP investigation, but other sensitive stuff says I was CIA, and I'm telling you, CIA's been spying on the witnesses who came forward, the whistleblowers. That's a big deal. I mean. Oh do you and I supposed to oversee CIA? notot the other way around for CIA to go rogue like that and then The response from CIA I don't know if you' read it, but the response was, That witness wasn't authorized to be there. Senate, US Senate, you had to go through a protocol to get our permission for it Not a denial of any of it. But just saying you didn't go through the proper procedures to have one of our former employees testify out cont. So you know, again, I don't want to be partisan. Democat Repan. This is one of the only bipartisan issues that exists in Washington anymore. thoseose three names that the people really pushing it in the House, who've gone a lot further, I think than anybody really imagined. Rep Luna, Burlison, Burchett, and they're not big senior people. Representative Luna, I think, was expressing an interest in UFO's And she wanted to have some kind of a committee assignment or a hearing and they just gave I think they tried to give her enough rope. Okay, you went UFO's here. you got UFO's. Also Epstein files, JFK, Havanna Syndrome and a whole bunch of other stuff. We'll just give you enough rope to hang yourself She ran with it You know, she ran with it. She's still running with it. So you got to figure out a way to give them props and tell them you support them and let them keep going because believe me, they were the target of this skulldugy that we've been discussing to cut the legs out and get them to move ono something else. That's always the way it's been. It works with media Congress always has front burner issues that are more of a priority at a given moment. and that's why they fail to make much progress on this issue. So give them some props and some support, send them a letter, send them an email. It matters. It does matter. Even when you go on social media, Rep Luna, absolute gangster, R Burchittt, gangster, R Berlison gangster, these people are fighting for you. You've asked them to fight. They're fighting. I support them. I'm not a political person. I don't even know what people think politically. people are fighting for you, support them just honestly, if you tweet that you support what they're doing about transparency about UAP, they will see it. and they will be thankful. Put an image. it's more impactful. Do it. The first hearing we went to, by the way, you know, the Republicans were asking a lot of the questions, but to start Literally on the left side of the room. There's AOC and Jamie Raskin. Asking the same kind of tough questions that Matt Gates is asking on the right side. Now there aren't many issues where those people agree on stuff. Amazing. Thank you We're going to be wrapping this up so weve got the man in black. So what's up, man? Let's move. A little short man in black, so let me adjust this here. Hey, man, you know what I mean? whatever, let's go. So I wasn't gonna to come up here. Th then I noticed that maybe Apple decided to do an update on my phone because my phone got blistering hot when I was sitting over there during this Interesting, Anyone else have that But it brings up the question for me. I noticeed you use of the Glomar protocol on there to confirm or deny. Just want to give you the opportunity to say that when you gave that answer to their talking about your testimony, that doesn't there's no answer implied at all. R? Absolutely, no answer implied Absolutely all when you're talking, you're just going to answer whatever it is if amnesty is granted to you. Correct. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but I'm going to just pause this and move you out of the way because I don't want nobody answering nothing. Perfect. Let me just the other one.ight I'm an amateur astronomer. The night last time Venus transited the Sun, which is back in twenty twelve, later that night, I saw a large triangular shaped thing One, two, three, four, five directly over my head, heading to the horizon. Lucky.am in the night, shouldn't have seen it, No lights on it. It was oddball atir coition. Everybody here seen a UFO and that's the thing. E Ebody's seen one in here in some way or they know somebody that did. That's why we're sitting here because it's been the truth the whole time. So the flight path that took over my house, I went and I looked up later and saw that it's very similar to the flight path that the space shuttle would take when coming in. That's a question sorry. No, it's a question. got a min is f. It took when it would come from the polar orbit down to Edwards Air Force Base. Does that bring any Do you guys have anything to say about that? Do you have any information about that UFO's are real All right You've done been told. Yeah. last question to my buddy who I saw last night and then the guys behind him come and give me a hug separate. So my buddy, what's up? You're two goodood to see you. What's on your mind? Ask a question I just I don't have a question, but I just wanted to raise a toast to all ofer. This is how we're gonna end into the whistle. Do everybody keep fighting the good fight Hold on hold on the truth. Let the guy talk, let the guy talk, but I'm going to take a video for my mom because my mom couldn't be here. So so here's the deal I'm going It's recording. I'm taking a video for my mom. She couldn't be here tonight. What was your thing you wanted to do a toast? I wanted to make a toast to Dylan Borlin, all the other whistleblowers, the super journalists like yourself and George N. too Mama Cor Balller. And Bob Yer and Ma everybody. a good time. Mama Cor Baller Mc Manville, Mc Minvill. Just give me the loudest applause you got. Give me something good for Mama Corballer Again, we covered a lot of ground. It was a fun crowd and well informed too. The people there aren't just having beers and kicking back and talking UFOs, they've done their homework And a lot of them were very much up on the issues right up to the moment. So I appreciated the quality of questions that were asked and the conversations that we had both privately and there in public Yeah, it's not like you're just crammed into these little rooms. like the whole town is kind of popping off. So you go into one bar, you meet somebody, Oh man, I want to talk to you about this. This is what happened. I used to be Air Force. This is what I saw. I mean, hundreds and hundreds. I asked everybodyone I'm like, canan I write this down? Can I record it? Because there's so many people com into you in a casual setting, not like you're you're jammed in a room We can a real dialogue So I think that's what makes it so powerful is it's the entire town is barricaded up so you can walk around and have fun. It was so cool. We had some good breakfast I'm sure Dylan Morland, who is getting grief from, you know, they have these little chat groups other whistleblowers, people in that world who will get on and have these very private conversations back and forth I'm guessing he's getting a lot of grief from some of the other people who've been in his position who think that's a proper platform for him to unveil stuff that it should be going to an event where people have to pay their way to get in You know, the typical UFO world kind of complaints that happen. Why was that? do you think that that was a good place for us to take Dylan and share his story with the world Oh, this was planned opposition. Why was it a good place? You know the answer, but I'll tell everybody right now Why this was good is because we knew that if this didn't work with ODNI, if this didn't work where they actually go and they have protections, they're going to be unprotected and actually targeted. So we set this up. That's why we didn't announce his name because you could have been George like the speaker, you know who testified because you testified too purposely didn't say because we didn't know how this was going to run out with the formal investigation by ODNI And I'd love to see the unclassified thing because I would be able to call bullshit on anything they say that's bullshit. But like Why we did this was to protect Dylan give him an opportunity to talk to the public. What better way to break the news than to the people instantaneously. But everybody put out clips, they dissected it as usual, like they did with Sleep and Dog. They look at one part and they don't watch the whole thing. So you miss the context and that's your loss, not ours. So the reason why that we plann this And there's something else planned contact in the desert But the reason why we plann this one is because it would it gave us an opportunity to say, hey We're being fully supported now whistleblowers are being fully supported. Everything is great and oh my gosh and we could we could praise the investigation by ODNI happened to be, unfortunately the opposite, where we had to spill the beans. So we really spilled the beans, but that's why George because I think you and I both notice that With journalism these days If we Don't put people in a position where they have to tell the truth, meaning our government, then we have to have a backup plan. And this was the backup plan and it worked perfectly You know, you can watch Dylan's body language through the whole exchange while they're on stage and he's squirming and wiggling and Clearly and some psychic pain there in terms of Really worrying The consequences of him answering questions might be. So we had to be really careful. He had to be really careful because as noted in that program He'd never got DOs or approval to say in public what he has said U So, you know, there are those who wish him ill, I'm sure. And you know, that was obvious in his discussion, but there were some really sensitive stuff that we brooch And in order to know for sure that we're on solid ground. You had to talk to our lawyer, a guy named Chuck. Yeahes. so now the world knows because of Sleeping Dog that Chuck McCullough The first ICIG in human history, thirteen years NSA, I think six years, maybe nine years, I'm not sure. FBI. now a lawyer. and he's been representing you and me as signed. and that's important. I want to say that one more time We are signed with compompass Rse. We've been signed with compompass Rse for a long time. and we kept that secret because we wanted, you know, the best defense is, you know No bark All bite So so he is our lawyer that came out in Sleep and Dog. He's been our lawyer for a long time and we are signed with Compass Rose. Now With that said Dylan is we call him a nickname, right? L because he's been first time Dylan and I met in person was a long time after we've been talking But you know He's been to aive And he's kind of he's free ball in it. Like not, you know, Matt Brown, he went to State Department, really smart. And he got stuff approved like via doxors's style, but through state Department. Dylan is just really what the public asked for He's telling them everything he can He testified in of Congress. but He has to be so careful, dance between the raind drops because he's on a razor's edge my producer, our producer Michael, said that people were saying I put them on the spot with a question I asked with Chuck I said, George and I want to say These three things We were not told them from Dylan I don't know how he's going to react on stage Can I say these things because I suspect they are classified until they said to me and George They were said to us on a joint call, George They were said to us And Chuck said, if they were said to you, you're a journalist It First Amendment, you got a duty to report it if it's a public interest So Dylan is a professional intelligence person He will know how to dodge you. and boy Did we bring up a few things that people went a little crazy about? And they should So I'm going to list them First, Project Rubik's Cube This is not single source reporting This is something that as journalists, we were told by ODNI They told us. so we reported it We had already confirmed multiple sourcing on that being a project name related to UAP, not fully UAP, I don't think Hey, everybody, public Do your work, now you know. Second thing we said, George Pyramid power source Okay, so that's what OD and I told us was testified to in a skiff from Dylan Third thing, reallyally strange. was like a hieroglyph on the pyramid That's what we were told. So there's some power source that you can put the pieces together has a hieroglyph. And it's non human intelligence technology allegedly. and that's something that allegedly Dylan Borlin told and drew pictures of in his IC IG complaint, which is filmed And so Odie and I should be able to get that When we asked George, when we asked Dylan, I didn't want to even look at him. because I knew I was putting them on the spot, but also I knew that like he We've known him for years. I knew that he absolutely has never crossed the line with us Never drew anything like that for us. He'll never say it in a public setting. So it wasn't really putting him on the spot. I think he's grateful and relieved for me to say that. Now he didn't confirm nor deny it But he did say something really interesting He says, like in a public setting like this that isn't classified, basically forced to say, I cannot confirm nor deny, which is a very interesting preamble And then what he said after, is he says like it I don't know the exact words, but given the proper authorities or whistleblower protections, I would love to tell you what I know Wow He handled that so expertly. So if OdD and I is correct and he drew pyramid power source with a hieroglyph on it that is of non human intelligence. that was part of his original non public ICIG complaint Right If that and proroject Rubik's Cube, if he said that like they told us that he did Do we have a story or what? because that's not single source to you and me. We've heard that before. Yeah Pyramid power source doesn't mean you're flying pyramids. It means it's a pyramid shaped power source for craft That is beyond anything that we know of human technology. So it is pretty exciting U the the purpose of Rubik's cube It's a little more vague, but I'm sure that there's a lot of UFO detectives out there who are able to be the on the trail of that right now. from here on They should be. I mean, obviously if Eu Fia You know, we know people that do a lot of foIas and, you know soon they get so mad, they don't get shit because they're not talking to people. So they get some good stuff sometimes and I love it that we get it like Dustin Slaughter. Dustin Slaughter got the Mosa orrb video. George, did you notice in in the last in the first public release of footage that We released seven images, I think, of something called the Baghdad Phantom. And if people look closely, they'll notice that that would be a central command bottleneck inside of the and was what we did was we notified the Pentagon that even people that were supposed to be getting these great UFO reports aren't getting them because of a bottleneck that we identified within Central Command and that was proof of it. It was called the Baghdad Phantom. And people said, oh, that's not them, blah, blah, blah Well, we didn't have the ability to put out the video However, in the first datted dep of UFOs two, their absolute credit. Baghdad Famp is there and not only that. notot just the Baghdad Phantom the mission report. So don't you don't have to listen to Aow. listen to what look at what the pilot wrote about that report and you will be ono it. you know, these are amazing trained professionals and it's just matter of fact what they saw, what they thought. You can read that report. So you know, transparency is working, journalism is working. I'll tell you one other thing I'm very proud about which is that the forty six videos So you and I have released number two. We did that way before when we're telling people' forty six videos. So we gave those file names. They're not just names If you put like underscores and you have like u a classified server that's like Intel link and it's on a certain server, you can click it, right? and you'll get into that file So notot only Did we get told directly by Representative Luna who is an absolute fighter with Representative Burlison and repepresentative Bercha and a bunch of people who we're not going to name right now We found out that they have made a they smoked a peace pipe with arrow all of a sudden And these forty six videos coming out. Now why in sleeping Dg We show eight of our acquired assets. They know that this is coming out come hell are high water with or without them. So you know, look, force them, push them, provoke them. It's all about transparency. It's a presidential damn mandate. So now we can sit back as journalists and we'll tell you if they put out the real videos. because George, those will be source files You know how everybody says like, oh, it's blurry, the frame rate Jeremy. They try to make all this shit online. George, they're gonna release. They have to release they have to release the original files. Now they'll obscure some important stuff. and I want to be clear. They'll probably obscure like the angle of the planes or the angle of the UAP, the speed of the UAP I mean, If you trust our journalism, maybe we'll fill in the blanks if they don't give you all the information so you can assess if it's a UAP. Some of it is not fully assessed Right there. Some of it's not full way assessed. Some of it will be prosaic, but that's the whole point get it out to the American public O things like number two on that list, that is a product from the intelligence agency, a full examination. They determine UAP instantaneous acceleration at a high level. And we know the guy that ordered the report he came on weaponized So My rant here is basically Oh my gosh a documentary investary investigative film by Michael Lad. Michael Lazotsuke actually made a difference because these eight videos provoked a response. You see what I'm saying? I do see what you're saying. you know, it goes back to the dump. the Trump dump of all the documents a couple of weeks ago. One of the big complaints was there's no analysis. there's no data to go along with it. You This is an example of what they should be releasing. The Baghdad Phantom, there's a report behind it that fills in the blanks. Now when we've released these videos over the years. We've tell people, look, we're not deciding it's a UAP. they decided it. The military, the intelligence community, they're the ones making that determination. And for all of those where it's the object is undetermined of undetermined origin, it's those guys who are making the assignment putting it in that category, not us. And if they're going to release more videos They should release all the analysis that goes with them so people can understand what they're seeing. An example One of the complaints SCU made about the Trump dump of UFO material is all the metadata was stripped from the vide. So the people investigators want to dive into that stuff and confirm where and when these things happen can't do it because it's just a copy of it, not the original data included on there. You know, we were We discussed the alien girls last time, the GAO assigned agents who are investigating the performance of Arrow and how it handles UFO witnesses. And we thought, oh, this looks like trouble for Arrow Representative Luna has said a couple of times she wants to get rid of that outfit. These girls gals, I shouldn't say girls, gals from from the GAO' out there. they' done visited sixteen military bases that we know of at the time that we were given the information And they were getting rounded getting down to the nitty gritty. Since that's that information came out though, It looks like Representative Luna and Burlleson and Burchett have made peace with Eow with John Kzlowski the director who, as we've said many times, is a vast improvement over his predecessor Sean Kirk Patrick And now it looks like they've smoked the peace pipe. There's a new era, a new relationship there. So maybe Aow is now on board with the same goals that Congress has in mind. And then lastly Burlleson, Representative Burlleson says Hey, the White House called me. They're looking for new direction on where they should go. What what should we release next confirming our suspicions that really The stuff that was released is just, hey, let's everybody grab something and put it out the door. They didn't really have a plan in mind. They didn't really think about what they were releasing other than does it violate national security? And now they're turning to Burlison, who's going to be able to give them an earful about what other stuff should be released in the future. So there are a lot of positive signs of where this thing seems to be heading right now This next release, the extremely powerful And if it's not Houston, we have a problem because you know, we saw, I mean, you know, first of all, R Burlison in our communications He is fighting so hard and I like he's been put such a crazy situation. U and Rep Luna the way that she is handling rememember she was trying to defund Arrow and then, you know, she reaches out to us and the next and next thing we know She's got this photo with Kazlovsky who says he can't even part his own hair without authority. I am so grateful for him. I was so worried for him. Like he was like in Project Blue box. It was worse in Project Blue book. It was like a box. He couldn't get out. Man, I bet this guy wants to get this out to the scientific community. I bet he's a good guy like we've heard And now because a presidential authority bond that he and Luna seem to have made in the agreement on releasing the forty, well, now five videos because we already released one of those. But remember, George, we also gave them fourteen Air Force videos, but we had already released two. So one is of the Air Force, the disc, they called it a disc UAP. and then the other one was Baghdad Phantom So they never publicized that, which I think was smart because it's in a much more secure file system and it's a bottleneck they're probably investigating at SECOom. but I really do have hope. I'm super excited. I do want to say something about This last event and a guy that I met And then I do also want to say something about what happens next So The guy that I met Now I'm going to butcher this am really bad I was there with Dylan and his family and I was like, I'm just gonna leave some shit in my room. I haven't done that since twenty sixteen nor have I traveled over out of the country since twenty sixteen for very specific reasons. And did you see all those my mom sending me all these things like where I wear sunglasses on Chris Ramsey's podcast and everybody says that was high or something. Did you see that? I heard some of that. yeah Right? Oh my God, people what were you on? anyway, what were you taking? I was high on life bab So far as a judge, I was just like was I get migraines if I get Rright lights that skiff, Ramsy. Your skiff is too bright, Bro. You gott to bring it down. Anyw, it's funny. But here's the guy that I met. I'm sitting there And it was like, I'm going to leave the room And everything's cool. No, you know, no one's going to get in here. I didn't have to like set up on my camera and stuff like that, which I normally do when I travel like here Next thing I know, we get back, everything's intact and the door starts opening And it's a dude and I don't recognize him. His name is Matthew. am I butcher it Sadogis, Matthew For this This dude is awesome. So so that's how we met. He says that he was breaking in his room And I said he's breaking in my room. So it' this funny way to meet the guy. But let me tell you, George, we got to have him on. This guy has done ice topopic analysis peopleeople don't know about yet People don't know what this guy's done yet. and he's a real genuine actor. and also by the way, George, onstage was a representative of SEi You know, and you know, she was a little distant like UFO confidnce. She had to be overwhelmed by it. But she did seem honest and forthright and really interested. I want to tell her like their techniques are way outdated, but you know, we didn't have time to really talk, but it was just cool. We had somebody from SEi there at our little party, right? and Matthew Sidakis who was just an inc incredible teacher and researcher and has done isopic analysis Um I'm gonna to let him talk for himself, but we gott to have him on weaponized charge. That is great I do you one other news item before we wrap it up? And I saw this on social media at this announcement. ten minutes before we started to record. So I don't have many of the details, but it's about There was a lawsuit filed against the NSA back in the earliest days of FOA And the guy who wrote it up was an attorney named Peter Gurston That's not a well known name anymore. But he was a rock a Gibraltar in the earliest days of FIA and ephology trying to squeeze secrets out of the government. And he'd filed this lawsuit against the NSA, the National Security Agency which denied, of course, that it has any files related to UFO's. Then it was then they had a legal proceeding where they they had to subm NSA had to submit in camera the files that they did have or at least a synopsis of those files. So a judge got to look at it behind closed doors and issue a ruling and he said, well, we can release this, but it's also basically everything that's in that six or seven pages was blacked out. In the old days at UFO conferences, you'd have Stan Friedman stand up with this document and show people, hey, almost everything in this thing is black is blacked out. You've seen that video, right? Well, he was working with Peter Gsten, who his first organization was something called ground saucer watchatch. and the second organization was citizens against UFO secrecy cause So he filed that back in the I think it's in the seventies or early eighties Now, they have finally forced the NSA all these year later to go ahead and release this stuff. and I don't know what's in it But I'm going as soon as we finish wrapping up here, I'm going to dive in and take a look at it Congratulations to Peter Gurston a giant in this field who really was a pioneer and maybe we can get him on the show too if we can track him down That'd be amazing. So So it can work with certain people like the person you just mentioned and also with like Dustin Sauer who got a video that we had put out an image of, it can work. So look, everybody, put on your UFO battle helmets. let's go to war right now because this is a moment where things tend to be redacted. and if the government doesn't do their job, the onus is on them, right? They've said now time for transparency. And I loved it when our lawyer Chuck says Jeremy, you don't just have a right for you and George to talk about that. You have a duty It's a public interest So I was like, okay, here we go A be right toch Well, listen, I'm going to leave you with this. It is a long episode for people, but wow, it's packed full of stuff The one place we didn't mention is contact and I will be there And I just want to say I'm going to be at contact There's a reason we're going to be there. There's a reason I'm going to be there, George. Is that okay to say? There's a reason Okay, so you're going, right? wellbe It was so hard. George almost didn't make it all the way to the McMinmill, but I got him there like the nuclear football. That's my job. I got him there. So at contact, we have a reason to be there Don't miss it All right, that's good for us for now. I might take a day off, Jeremy. I know that's not allowed under the weaponized code of conduct, but I'm really thinking of maybe a whole day without UFOs , you know, in in my life for twenty four hours, but see if that's possible. I'll let you know how it goes while you're scheduling a mystery wire episode that Michael has to go on, right Yeah? The first ten years that I was doing this, I'm going through the same stuff that you're going through now. Bouncing off the walls, up and down peaks and valleys scared shitless, worried about what comes next. Corll is an investigative journalist who helped obetain and release the DOD footage of UFO's I'm afraid he's gonna die. Years ago, I went searching for the truth about UFO's to really understand the full picture We'm going to start where it all began. They have between thirty and fifty alien bodies position of trust. 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