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Law supppplies last ends june thirtieth, turnerms at aka. mS slash college PC These phenomena, these beings, these technologies, are in contact with our service members on the front lines on a near daily basis People are getting hurt Nothing is being done about it There are stories and reports about, hey, whistleblowers, come on forward. We're having an event in Washington, DC on the steps of the Capitol in June. It's going to be great. All of you guys who've got inside information, come on forward and join us and tell us what you know. They won't dare hurt you. Well, I don't know that that's accurate or not. Somebody, AowN or ODNI, falsified classified information and lied to the government to persuade government and is threating me with treason. You want to know how my life is the rest of my life That will be hung over my headck. Statue of limitations For treason is life I have no answers. Since the hearing, I have done everything I can. My wife has been threatened, disgustingly, you guys are aware. I was cleared until I found out yesterday where my clearance has now been put into a position of Undefined. trying to quiet me and I understand that I am an active duty member. And if you take someone who's active duty and shut them down, it shuts down any other active duty person who may see something in the sky or see something in the water like I did. so I get the scare tactic. In Sleeping Dog, when you see me going through the file structure and system and you see the videos that George and I We're assessing going to put out just glimpses. It wasn't to tease you It was to provoke our government to release We know they have and we did underhanded pitches. Very, very few people have your back. And worse than that, there are active active efforts to solicit new whistleblowers to come forward because Dylan and I are inconvenient because we tell the truth. Jeremy and I get invited to a meeting at ODNI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Tulsy Gabbard was until recently in that position. and we met with these folks and they said doctor Cabbard has authorized a new investigation. We're going to get to the bottom of this UFO stuff. We're going to find the legacy programs. We have absolute clearances to go anywhere we need to go. We need your help. We were the first two guys, I guess they called in. So we go into this meeting, have they ask us, well, you better stash your phone somewhere here. putut him in this car outside. It didn't go as planned nasty. We find out Jeremy gets these contacts from the ODNI folks who were supposedly going to get to the bottom of it Tashing everybody that we sent to him, notot only two of these three guys, Dr. James Lcksky Jay Stratton, who was the head of the AP Task Force. Sleeping Dog is a powerful and emotional film about what life is really like for those of us who are crazy enough to chase this topic I'm Genino, the exxecutive producer of the YFiles, where we explore Be unexplained, investigate hidden truths and illuminate when the government is hiding things from the people This morning, we have a special moment George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are two of the most fearless investigative journalists in the UAP world. For years, they've worked tirelessly to bring hidden realities into the open, often at great personal cost They've put their reputations, their families and their lives on the line in pursuit of the truth Their work has helped bring forward some of the most credible whistleblowers of our time as they've pushed the conversation on disclosure further than many thought possible on mayay eighth. Michael Lzovski, the producer Weaponized, premiered sleeping Dog, documenting Jeremy's journey alongside George. On that very same day, the US government launched Pursue the most aggressive UAP declassification initiative in American history. Was that a coincidence? Or did they realize that this dynamic duo was no longer willing to wait for permission to bring the truth to the people? For years, George and Jeremy have stood at the center of this story, protecting sources, documenting evidence, demanding transparency, and most importantly, protecting whistleblowers even as they faced intense scrutiny and attacks Their efforts have helped move this issue from the shadows into the public spotlight all the way to the halls of Congress, and their work is far from finished. You know them as heroes of this community. They're respected as pioneers, investigators, and truth seekers And I'm fortunate enough to call them my friends Please join me in welcoming George Napp and Jeremy Corbell you follow the UFO topic on social media You know that a lot of people who have been in the field for, say, six months are incredibly impatient and they'll say Whistleblowers should come forward, tell everything they know. No one would dare prosecute them Come on guys. These are the same people who they've been at it for six months and they are so impatient because no one has delivered a crash saucer to the front of their house. No one has allowed them to dissect a dead alien body, and they're just not going to pay attention to it anymore until they get to do one of those things So you know, the reality is that the life, the lives of the people who have stepped forward are very different from what you might imagine. It's not like a first class travel and youve got a group of groupies to follow you around and you get gourmet meals and it's just life on Easy Street after you become a really big UFO celebrity. It's nasty And today, we're going to share with you what life is like for those who have had the courage and the fortitude to step forward Hey guys, thanks for coming out. It means a lot to me. We wouldn't be doing what we were doing or are doing and trying to do if you didn't give a shit. So thank you for being here. It's really cool to see everybody. and thanks to you having this event. This is a really fun event. It's a little bit more serious than other events And I like that. I go on like podcasts where people make jokes about huffing the assholes of cats and I'm lost. With you that's real, you'll see that this week. with you guys, I feel like we can talk and you'll hear This is why We have three people joining us today because you're going to hear You're going to listen And you're going to make some noise if you agree. Okay, so that's so thank you for having us I'm excited to be here with George Motherfucking now Thank you And vice versa, I don't know how many of you have seen the new movie that was discussed in the introduction What's a cold dud?leepleep Sleeping dog. I have this sleeping dog is Sleeping Dog is a powerful and emotional film by Michael Lzvsky about what life is really like for those of us who are crazy enough to chase this topic. we've got it easy compared to what happens to the guys that we're about to meet. You want to introduce theam? One at a time? Yeah. Not one at a time. It's a gang. There's an army of whistleblowers Three people joining us. Now they've all in their own way, testified in front of you to Congress publicly And I'm also meaning George Knapp One of them hasn't had a chance yet. You've heard his words You've read his words But he hasn't had the chance to prove to you he's telling the truth. And the only way I know how to do that is for him to be under oath in front of the American public, just like David Gush did. And I wanted to see if he was telling the truth. Fuckking do that. Then you prove it to me. fought hard for that fought hard for these guys They're coming out now and they're going to tell you the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and they're not going to leave anything out Except one thing And that's because that one thing If we get there is really important But everything they say before is going to set that up Can I please introduce three people who are dear friends of mine because we've been in the trenches together Everybody here has testified except for me and Matt Brown. Dylan Borlan, senior Chief Wiggins, Matt Brown, get out here Now I will say a lot of people testified Under oath, behind closed doors. in very serious situations where if they lie, they go to prison. Everything they've testified to publicly unweaponized, everything they've said with their hand up, they did under higher circumstances. Do you understand what I'm saying Okay, No, what I'm saying is that even though Matt Brown hasn't raised his hand in front of Congress, I want everybody to do that. There's a bunch of people you don't know who have testified in very intense situations. They are telling you how it is Accept it or not. Here we go. George, take it over. I'm emotional Maybe we go through with each of you guys at the start of your journey because the disclosure, the things that you have shared each You have different levels of it, you know, you You have meetings. S of you have been before Congress. Some of you have done meetings with a certain agency that we'll get into after Congress. Let's start with that, Matt. You haven't testified before Congress, but you have certainly shared information behind closed doors under intense pressure about what you learned. So let's start with that Yeah. so That's a good distinction. I was never setting out to be a whistleblower to the public I was a UAP whistleblower to Congress. In twenty twenty one The Senate Select Intelligence Committ passed legislation asking for people from the intelligence community to come to them with information about UAP to speak in closed door rooms And you know The only reason I became public is because over the months and years afterwards, it became very clear that You know, there were shenanigans afoot and You know, One of those things was that no information was allegedly going from the Senate to the House. So I took it upon myself to make sure that that information did go from the Senate to the House. As AOC said recently, and she's absolutely correct, disclosure already happened on the Senate side. and then that iron wall came up. and you know That is not the way to run a republic Let's start with this though. So you went through all three of you went through proper channels. You didn't set out to be a UFO celebrity. You went through channels, you reported this up the chain of command, what should be known by your superiors, what you thought was vital information. And you did your job and then you found out it just kind of came to a dead stop Right Yeah, I mean Certainly official engagements came to a dead stop, but after certain information was shared, I will never know which, I started being asked to have conversations with the same people, but not in government facilities, cars, parks, coffee shops, bars, anything, it seemed to keep me from being back in an official setting you know where my words would carry more weight. Can you let's give a thumbnail synopsis for those who may not know what information you came across. You came across this P of by doing your job, Immaculate constellation. Can you give a thumbnail sketch of what that was and why you thought it was important to share with the world? Yeah, so immacate constellation briefly share the story again. found it while doing volunteer duty to clean up a shared server that was at a very high classification level, unremarkably labeled, opened it, saw UAP content front to back At the time, I was just working my career and UAP were already part of that world just by virtue of the intelligence environment I was working in. So it was unremarkable. in that sense, it was, oh, I found something, It was a mistake. Let's get this cleaned up becausecause clearly somebody is handling the UAP issue and they have left their homework on the table What's the significance of what you found, though? The nature of the program that you found that existed and that you still maintain is real and probably still ongoing So I think The most accurate and correct thing to say is that it's an operational program. So it's not like something that's going out and buying a B two bomber and it's not setting up collection systems. real It's something that organizes and coordinates real world operations. major part of that being intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance all around the world focused on collecting on UAP and their interactions with our forces and the forces of our adversaries, green and blue as well. So You know Its in that sense, it's hard to say it is one thing because it's encompassing. It's fluid. It's an operation. It changes every day. But the mission is permanent. And the mission is to scoop up really good videos, imagery that pops up in military servers, intelligence community servers, secret places This kind of information is stashed, and it scoops it up from those places and puts it somewhere else Yeah, that certainly seems to be part of it for sure. Whether Immaculate cononstellation is the control system for all UAP imagery itself Or if that control system is what, sort of enables amaculate constellation know, I don't have the answer to. I only had my limited unofficial exposure to this So you know, I don't want to tofine immaculate constellation, there iss more to that story, there is more to that program. I hope people come forward to share more details I've talked with enough people behind the scenes to have a better idea of what it is, but that's That's not my place to say. We'll come back to the glamorous life of the UFO whistleblower in a little bit. Dylan, again, the same sort of question about the processes that you went to, the levels you went to to go through proper channels. saw you came across some information you thought was really stunning and important, and you wanted to share it but go through channels first before you became a UFO superstar. Yeah, I wish I wish I was a superstar. Good morning everybody. I think it's still morning. Love y'all. You know, for me, I think I never wanted this. So I had my encounter at Langley, Air Force Base and Some stuff happened and I got exposed to things at BAE because they were playing games with me for years and they were playing games with people who were right into the legacy program and they thought I was right in A lot of really bad stuff happened between twenty sixteen and about twenty twenty two. And what ended up happening was I went to a dinner and that's how I met Matt And During this time individual who had worked with or spoke with the UAP task force, made a comment that people's lives were in danger And I knowew what I had went through And I had told this individual, if your are positive people's lives are in danger, then I need to immediately go talk to Congress And I got in touch with Congress went in there and disclosed seventy percent about what I knew. and about three weeks later they asked me to go to Arrow. I went to Arrow and It was blatantly obvious that Arrow was playing games So after that, Dave Grush testified and I was asked to go to the IG. and like a willing American who swore no to the Constitution, I immediately went there. And I told the IG the same thing Under oath, under penalty of going to jail And my attorney hit me back and was basically like, you need to disappear. So I went back to work and I went to work for a year and a half. Jeremy and George knew me and some others knew me H no desire to be public And then u I was asked to go to Congress, which is something I was advised not to speak to Congress ever again. And I spoke to them to go to the hearings and There's some fun stories there that Jeremy may share one time in the future But u Long story short is, I made an emergency video with Jeremy and George because I went and did something against what the IG and my attorney recommended me to do That is why the first series of episodes in Weaponize exist with me Thankfully, Congress did allow me to go forward And immediately after that, not twenty four hours later, I was asked to go to DNI. And since then in the last eight months This has been absolutely atrocious. Hopefully that answers your question. It's been atrocious for all three of them. We'll get into details in a bit, but you tried to do the right thing, go through channels Do what you thought the law required you to do or allowed you to do And basically it's been miserable at every step of the way. Yeah, I mean, I had a job for about a year and a half. After my contract ended with Ditra. The job I was doing with the same customer moved to another agency and I went to interview for my exact same job I did for seven years and I was told I wasn't qualified During a polygraph examination, I was asked specific questions about my IG. interview, which is literally illegal, but again, nobody really seems to care Well, rephrase. You guys care. Everybody here cares, but our government doesn't have a countountab b So we're come back to the personal consequences for all three of these guys. Chief Wiggins, you're not a whistleblower per se, but you were a witness. And like these guys, you went through channels when you got this information. There had to be a point at which you were wondering, hey, should I do this? Is this a risk to my career? Yes. I thoughtought that through when initially seeeeing the video for the first time that you both had put out Uh, and I I didn't think I would have to think about is this going affect my career, right? I'm looking at it as if I witness this if I were to be on a boat in the middle of San Diego waters If I'd witnessed that as a non military personel, I don't think I should. should have any reprisal, so why would it make any difference if I'm active duty? If I work at Burger King, I don't think you're gonna fire me from burger King, right? So I'm thinking, I'm just going to go out and kind of discuss with Jeremy and George what I saw and do the weaponized podcast and honored to testify in front of Congress and talk about the things that are out there that are the unexplained But there has been definitely unfortunate things afterwards. and like you said, George, we'll talk about that. I mean, there you are. I mean, you're on a powerful naval warship, advanced technology. You're off the coast of Southern California. You see, you and your crew members see and record And the sensors confirm it A TikTack, and then not only one, but four. I mean, you would think, hey, US Navy, you're going to want to know about this Yeah, and Thinking that exact thought, I figured we want to talk about this because this is something that you don't see off the coast of San Diego on day to day routines in San Diego on board a naval ship. So Once the video was released I thought it you the right way to go through the process is talk to the Navy and make sure that I would get the OK. because I'd known and heard how entities could get interfere with your career and affect things, etcetera. So of course, I have kids and family and not one to jeopardize anything So Thankfully, the Navy did support going to Congress, so that was, you know baffled. I love the Navy, of course, but I was thinking government is government regardless of what branch you're in or But yeah, the Navy did help with getting to Congress. that was great, but againain It's arrow as Dylan's mentioning is what wind up becoming an issue with me afterwards. So today, if you follow social media, ex, there are stories, reports about, hey, whistleblowers, come on forward. We're having an event in Washington, DC on the steps of the Capitol in June. It's going to be great. All of you guys who've got inside information, come on forward and join us and tell us what you know. They won't dare hurt you. Well, I don't know that that's accurate or not Jeremy, why don't you dig into what their lives have been like? since they came forward I will tell that story one day, todayay's not the day You know, look with Congress They thing It takes months. It takes months When I recommend a witness, they want fifteen They said we got three days ago, No, you don't N not going happen. They aren't pking up. They don't fucking trust you. takes Mths. These guys are in the wind By the way, none of these guys asked to testify None of them, they did everything right, reported up chain of command. I asked them to testify I did. And what happens with that is that with each of them there are consequences So with Matt, you got to hear his words, right? With Dick. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use indndeed sponsored jobs. 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Get in front because of what has happened to him Directly because he wanted to tell you what was going on, and he still can't. He has no protections. He does not have a cleared doopster like process like Matt does through State Department. Senior chief, just from the very start, he says, I'm speaking for myself, not the Navy. But Dylan doesn't have that protection. So it's different for each person But Ill always remember, actually, all of you said it to me in your own way, but the last person said it to me was you senior chief. I said, Why are you going to do this? just because I ask you don't, just because I ask you to do something. I know you trust me, but I can't provide all the protection. I don't know what's going to happen. This is UFO Vietnam. I don't know. And he said to me, because it's the right thing to do What were their lives like? All right, fuck it. I'll be blunt. Consequences for each of them. Do you guys mind if I'm a little blunt, notot too personal Yeah go for tell the truth today. I mean, one week ago, we got into some really massive stuff on weaponized, so go for it, man. Okay. So without getting personal because our families get doxed, our wives get threatened, our moms get threatened, we lose jobs, we have people follow us, badge contact, not just like someone I think is following us, right Badge contact. If you know what that means, they show you the badge from each federal agency and they just put pressure on you. I don't know at midnight at a fucking charging station for me, OSI So I film them. film record everybody. Here's what happened to them Matt Brown, he's had to move because he has no job, couldn't afford the place he lived in. His home was broken into. They didn't steal anything while they were sleeping in there. him and his wife in the house. They laid out ID's across the table. You said I could talk a little bit about it just to show they took photos of him. They smashed his grandfather's ashes on the ground. Yeah, break in Dylan Borlin, there's a police report. He had his brake lines cut. We don't know who did it. Who would want to hurt Dylan? Don't know. Happed to be on a very unique day of his life though. A very auspicious day. We could never prove it. Maybe it's so he goes around saying that. So you all think he's crazy. But he did wreck the truck and no he wasn't drunk So Senior Chief was actually one of the and I'm not even scratching the surface with what happened to my friends. When they get threatened by ODNI, the head of all intelligence agencies, where I said to them, They are here to protect you. That's what they say, wink, wink, don't trust them. I got you. I'm documenting everything. They tried to get Dylan Straight up on treason. By fabricating evidence against him, and the only reason it didn't work is because I caught those fuckers and I gave it to my lawyer and it's all recorded. Matt, they tried to get on counter espionage on American assets or some fancy shit like that. And they said he made it up. I go, really, here's some proof he didn't Oh, they found out what I actually have with George. So here's the deal, Senior Chief Wiggins, it was more insidious because it was subtle because there's covert and there's overt manipulation. Covert shit, just to annoy you You push you over the edge. Somebody docks me real hard last night. My phone won't stop bringing every ten seconds a new call. Thanks whoever did that It doesn't affect me. I've got a family phone in my pocket bitch and you'll never get that number. Senior Chief Wiggins was insidious because just like Matt and Dylan How they were told, you have absolute protection, bro, You can come in you can say anything. We're in a skiff. I am completely cleared. I'll hunt this down. We're gonna get to the bottom of the UFO thing They tried then to falsify charges. and first what they tried is to make me and George Turn around and denounce every whistleblower Anything everybody has ever said. They're all fucking liars from Lu Eizondo. Don't take my words and twist them in a video. They lied to me that everybody was liars and I caught them in the lies. Lou Eizondo, Jay Stratton, Eric Davis, sweetest guy in the world, Matt Brown, Dylan Borlan, senior chief They all tried to turn me and Georgeia so we'd tell to you, fuck these guys, they all lie to us. David Gush. That's what they're trying to make us do to do their dirty work. Last thing was senior chief Most insidious Arow ' supposed to investigate under a congressional mandate They're not supposed to be running a human intelligence operation to entrap people who are active Navy and threaten them that if they don't go do a deposition, I don't know the right word. he already said everything with his hand up. He politely declined. thenen they threatened him. his higher command, they went to his higher command. Fuck that. We shut that down in one hour One hour shut down. So they're telling you as it is. You wanted me to say what they've been through. I can never describe it, man. You saw what I went through with Sleeping Dog, That's real. I spaun out. That's never happening again. I am taking that anger. It wasn't even fear. I'm taking that anger and I'm channeling it. And that's what I'm asking you to do today when you hear more from them You understand So just to backfill some of the details, last September, there wass this hearing before Congress, and we were all there. A couple of us got to testify. The day after, Jeremy and I get invited to a meeting at ODNI, Office of the Director of National intntelligence. Tulsi Gabbard was until recently in that position, and we met with these folks said Dctor Gabbard has authorized a new investigation. We're to get to the bottom of this UFO stuff. We're to find the legacy programs. We have absolute clearances to go anywhere we need to go. We need your help. We were the first two guys, I guess they called Whatever your thing, It could be anything. Canva helps you make that thing a thing Canva is a simple online tool thing. It's a way to design with our magic AI tool things. You can social media your thing, generate images or videos of your thing, make decks or presentations to show your thing. 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So we go into this meeting, have they ask us, well, you better stash your phones somewhere here, putut them in this car outside here. And so we did. And yeah we took a Uber there. You can't take your phones in here. You got to put them somewhere. So we did. And we go into this meeting, two people, they tell us we're getting to the bottom of this. This is serious. We can follow it anywhere We need your help. We're looking for names of people who can help us find the legacy program. So know we shared a couple of names that are pretty obvious that they should know about. and they did follow up on them. And then we said we know some whistleblower types who you probably should talk to as well so long as they're protected. Well, you eventually two of these three guys did meet with them And it didn't go as planned. It was pretty nasty. We find out, Jeremy gets these contacts from the ODNI folks who were supposedly going to get to the bottom of it, trashing everybody that we sent to him, notot only two of these three guys, but people like Lou Ezondo, doctor James Lksky, Jay Straton, who was the head of the UAP Task force, was involved with OsSAP, ATP And pretty much everyone, character assassination, the most foul, ridiculous kind of allegations about him, it was pretty clear within months of that endeavor being undertaken that they were out to destroy everybody who came forward, that the report that was being prepared for ODNI was to smash this. It was meant to discourage Congress from pursuing this because they're a little bit scared of Congress. I mean, the passion of people like Representative Luna and Burchgett and Burlison and others on the Senate side as well. I mean, they're a little bit scared of that because Congress does have power, even in today's political environment. So I think that that report was meant for one audience, it was Congress, and maybe for media to move along to some other issue. But I want to hear from these guys about what their lives have been like since coming forward because the personal cost is unbelievable. Matt, you can't get a job, right? No, George. I have lost my career. I spent over a decade building. you know, from twenty eleven on starting over with nothing. and you know prospects aren't good these days. And then the pressure is intense and very personal. I mean, it means not just the effect on you, but your wife, what you want to do for the future. You will never work in one of those kind of programs again, ever, will you No, notot only will I never work in any programs, I will almost certainly never be allowed we' close to government On the personal side, you know, I'm thirty five This started for me five years ago Uh My wife and I are, you know We wanted a family seemems very remote now. It's very difficult to imagine a future at this moment. Just in hell. So you hear these raw raw pronouncements from the UFO gallery, Hey, come on whistleblowers C come forward. They wouldn't dare hurt you or prosecute you. They don't need to prosec you to destroy your life. I mean, the consequences are very real. Could you share a little bit more about what Jeremy mentioned about the break in and spreading out the information in your house Yeah, that was very bizarre. and I didn't quite realize the gravity of what had happened at the time. It was only as time went on just It became clear how oth utterly strange it was and how there's only one real explanation for what was going on. So to walk through it, you woke up just a normal weekday and was heading out to work early in the morning and just saw my wife's cards laid out on the couch and all her IDs and everything. And I thought, oh, that's strange. Maybe she lost something. So I started cleaning up And then I see more things moved around and it starts looking like, oh, shit. We had a hot prowl. Someone was in here last night while we were sleeping trying to rob us. But then I look around and right on that ground floor, you there's three laptops worth like thousands of dollars each. Nothing is missing. The only thing taken out of the house is, as you said, my grandfather's ashes, who was a Navy veteran of World War II, and not not only that after World War II, continued to serve his country. We don't know exactly what he did, but I did find that he was conveniently stationed at multiple NSA stations across the United States through the fifties. We'll never find his records because they were all destroyed in that fire in Missouri. So that is the man whose remains they took away from me and left as a message in the street next to the garbage. So that was a very difficult day. D didnid't end up going to work because we had to call the police have a normal investigation. Um, They were just as confused as us, you know They thought maybe it was just some creep instead, you know, came in and looked some sort of sexual pervert, you know, like 'cause nothing's missing. Why are you in a house with these people sleeping? You don't think that's the answer No, not at all. I mean, it's intimidation. It's meant to mess with your brain. It's meant to mess with your life. Correct. And at that point, I was not a whistleblower to Congress. I was merely involved with the sort of networks in the intelligence community that were looking at UAP from from the perspective of, you know What the hell is going on and we're being lied to, We need to start figuring this out from the inside because these These phenomena, these beings, these technologies are in contact with our service members on the front lines on a near daily basis. People are getting hurt. Nothing is being done about it Dylan, we haven't really described what you were doing, but you were working for an agency inside a private company, a contractor. And the nature of the work was incredibly sensitive, unrelated to UAPs. But in the course of that work, you learn a lot of information and you do the right thing and come forward So what's your life like? You can't work in that anymore. You don't even know if you have a clearance as of this weekend. Well, George, accurate. A couple of quick things as you ask about my life. Let's get it clear. Somebody AON or ODNI, falsified classified information and lied to the government to persuade government and is threating you with treason. You w to know how my life is The rest of my life That will be hung over my head. Statute of limitations For treason is life I have no answers I have asked, and no way can tell me what is going to be done and what accountability there is So to answer your question, George, since the hearing, I have done everything I can My wife has been threatened, disgustingly, you guys are aware I have been dogs. They have showed pictures of the inside of my house. I've been threatened with treason And I've been sitting here trying to help whistleblowers and trying to look out for people. That's all I care about. accccountability in protecting a Constitution. It's been miserable, George. My wife and I don't have jobs in both of us Well, she's still cleared. I was cleared until I found out yesterday where my clearance has now been put into a position of Undefined So I had a clearance until yesterday Interesting timing that you're here for that too. Agree Chief Wiggins, you haven't had quite that kind of disruption in your life, but there was something really interesting that happened after this We met with ODNI. You got contacted with the premier UFO investigative agency in the US government. They're called Arrow and they're doing a really fine job. But what was your experience with them? And what kind of threats did they make to you? Yeah, George, A September in Washington, I was flooded with emails from ARrow. and originally I didn't know what the agency Oh what their focus was, what's their mission. So I got in touch with both of you to ask questions and kind of understand. Arow. wind up contontacting my chain of command Uh and, you know I had to sit down with my captain. And he was kind of curious. He was wondering You know, why why am I being contacted about something you did as a civilian, right? that you were doing it outside of the uniform? Why am I being contacted? I don't know, sir, I'm not sure So he let me see the email that he was part of because they'd sent one directly to him and then one with him and myself on it, tootally different literature in both of those, his was a lot more discreet to the point where Um My captain contacted Arow, the person who sent the email and ask the question But before he asked the question, he brought me to the office and said What do you want to do I said I want nothing to do with this. I'd like to politely decline I just want to continue on with my life. I said what I said Congress I think That should be sufficient for what they're asking for He said, Okay, if that's what you want me to say, I'll say it. And so he did tell them that Come to find out that he asked over the phone, got in contact with Arrow and said he'd likek to politely decline but My captain said, I'm curious What happens now? what happens to my senior chief now that he doesn't want to do this And they said, well We're going to let you know that we'd like to push back and tell you that if we have to get Pete Hexetithh, Secretary of war to get him to Come in, that's what we're going to have to do I was surprised to hear that. I would have never thought you know, if this is the agency that sounds so nice and kind to us that they're going to compel me as an active duty member to tell them something that I've already said to Congress, there's nothing else that I'd like to share with them And that's threatening, you know, I'm around the corner from retirement a year away. I can see this becoming an issue for my retirement. I can see this being an issue as a father retiring and and attempting to get jobs and such. And it's unfortunate our friends here are going through this, but I see them putting me in that same basket in the future and it's unfortunate. But again What we did needed to be done. So You put people's clearances as undefined or You know, you're never going to be able you've worked sometimes decades. How many decades have you worked senior chief Two decades, there'll be twenty five years next year in the Navy.. Thank you for your service. So the people promising us they're gonna protect whistleblowers are asking them to come out and masse now Now you've heard what happens when whistleblowers come out. So do you think it's a good idea? and we should all support that every whistleblower just come up there and say whatever they want? because there is a cascade of casualties that happens for each person, I've witnessed it. And I told them each time, I told Senior Chief, you're a single father You're at that time, a couple years from retirement, now one year who retire. If they want to fuck with you, they're going to. and this could destroy everything you work decades for to have your family, to be there for your kids, to put food on the table, and to be the dad and have the life that you envisioned for yourself just because you decided to raise your hand and say, I was on a ship and we saw four TikTacks How fucking dumb is that right So that's not going to happen to him, and this is going to stop with them. And here's how Odi and I And by the way, infiltrated by CIA, fuck around and find out there's more of us than there are you. So go ahead. Fuck around and find out because George and I, we do go to the desert and dig shit up We do And we're not bluffing. And in fact, they know that my lawyer and George's lawyer has everything that protects these guys as well, including the fabrication of evidence against these two Fuck around and find out. and that's not a bluff. Give me one second We need to have a process. that is good for national security where people like Dylan and Matt and Senior Chief can come forward tellell what they know Do doesnn't have to be public But they need to be able to tell what they know There are a lot of people you do not know the names and faces of And I'm hesitant to bring them forward because of what's happened to them. That's got to stop I don't have much more to say right now As you might have guessed, these guys have been through these experiences together. I mean, they have bonded over the commonality of the experiences. you and a couple of the guys right? Yeah. Yes, sir. Bea there aren't many people in the world who've been through what you've been through. Yes, sir Dylan, how did it go at Home Depot when you submitted your resume of working for national security? Yeah the banker? You know, I mean, I've talked about this before. We joked up in Oregon about me going to be a park Ranger. I would actually love it. But you know, my resume is a bit insane for most people. You know, I reported directly to the director of the CIA, the presresident of the United States and director of National intelligence. So when you see that on a resume And you understand what it says You sound like management material to me. Oh. I appreciate it, George. u You know, you're applying to Lad lumber. I got my master's degree. It's one of two things. either you're crazy or you will leave the first second you get. So not too many people want to hire you. I' mad After that OD and I meeting, you met with these folks. You did the whole thing. You went through the process, you answered every question, you gave them everything you wanted that they wanted from you I know that what information we got about you after that was so preposterous and outrageous. A, outrageous that it would be shared with us because it was confidential. It's behind closed doors. We shouldn't know this stuff. But B, how outrageous the allegations were. Where were you when you got the information from us about what their claim was about you as being anti Jewish, A Jew hater is what the words were. Where were you? I was at my friend's Jewish wedding in Virginia You got a problem with certain ethnic groups No, George. I mean, how did you feel? When you hear that slur about you, how ridiculous it is? That's the first I mean you'd be tempted almost to laugh about it, but then you had to get pretty bad about it. I was furious As I said in the interview, you know, I raised other issues around UAP know the fact that they went with the predictable attack there, which was twisting the concerns about the actions of the state of Israel in relation to october seventh and the death of Charlie Kirk, which is what happened right after the hearing that Dylan Borlland and George Knapp testified at Yeah, they twisted those concerns into calling me an anti semi And Chief Wiggins, has Pete Hegseth reached out to you personally since then? Has he? No wait for a call? He has not. And you know, I will say, George, I recognize as an active duty member the possible intent of Aerial trying to quiet me and I understand that I am an active duty member. And if you take someone who's active duty and shut them down, it shuts down any other active duty person who may see something in the sky or see something in the water like I did. So I get the scare tactic. would I would say if you're seeing something, especially how I went to Congress as a civilian Say something. Don't let something like that scare you if you're wanting to do something for good You know, today on X, this morning, I saw this story about Sean Kirk Patrick. canannot let Arow go. He was there for seventeen months And it's been what three years and he can't let it go. So Now we finally hear some positive statements from doctor Koslowski, the head of Arrow, saying, you know, some of these cases really are unexplainable. We've seen unexplainable movements. and Sean Kirkpatrick, who still thinks he's a spokesperson for Arrow, comes out and blasts the guy who replaced him in the job for daring to say that there are some cases that are unexplainable. Of course there are The idea that ARrow is the designated investigative agency for UFO's and has invited whistleblowers and witnesses to come forward, tellell us what you know. And I've made the joke before. it's like the Roach motel, the old jokes about rooaches go in, but don't come out. That's UFO information to Arrow. I hope that doctor Koslowski, the new guy is who he says he is and is trying to turn that thing around. But can you imagine you guys, any of the other whistleblowers that you know potential whistleblowers and witnesses. and there is a small group of them. Can you imagine any of them going to Arrow and telling them what they know ever Yeah, I mean, I hope nothing but the best but no. And I think everybody loosely is one degree of separation. So pretty much everybody out there knows who to get in contact with and can talk with people. and anybody who's watching and paying attention to this, like I said before. I've been looking at this for years U I think they're looking at this and it's I'm going to come forward, get destroyed and there's nothing for me and my family and nobody's going to protect us. And you can actively commit crimes and there is no accountability and they get away with it. So no There is a learning process. on who to trust Trust is something you can't give. It needs to be earned And it needs to be replicated and duplicated every day for the rest of your fucking life. We at We have trust us up here It's been hard learned sometimes. We trust the wrong person And that can be a big mistake. It could have been a big mistake. There are some journalists who offer to pay whistleblowers. that you're not a journalist if you offer to pay somebody They're fake, and they report to people. And I will call everybody out by name with evidence if I must, but you got to use your own intuition. If you have a story and you want to come, tell us We're on cosmic time though. If you want your story out, we're the wrong journalist, you want it done, right? You can come to us, ask people, leegacy of trust. maybe back to Commander Fraver when we kept his secret for many, many, many years before it came out. The the worst thing they could do is put a fake journalist in front of you People don't understand my anger sometimes. You don't know why. and they fill in the voids, or just ask me. I'll tell you why I was angry and snapped in my backpack. This supposed to be funny. there was a gift of that. But I'll tell you why. Not now, personally, I'll tell you. So who can you trust? A C couple things I wrote down. Right now, we have about twenty minutes and I them want you to ask them questions. o. We're in an era of call and response. Pay attention In Sleeping Dog, when you see me going through the file structure and system and you see the videos that George and I were assessing, not going to put out, just glimpses, it wasn't to tease you. It was to provoke our government to release what we know they have when we did underhanded pitches. So imagine if that's underhanded pitches, instantaneous acceleration That's real, underhanded pitch, okay Call in response. What that means is you need to pick up that phone and make that call, however you do it, because we're getting responses. we have to provoke. Nothing will ever be given to you. Two other points We're gonna do Q and I But there are podcasters On payrolls, you are un American Do the right thing. Fucking stop or pivot because I know who you are No, no, no No, no. cheheck it out. Check it out. Every human has to do what every human has to do, and that's on them, not on me and you. You understand I'm just saying it because it's true. Okay, lastast thing, ' I'm angry I do want to tell you very briefly about something you're going to hear about Madt and Dylan had no support. Its't pitch. I'm just informing you. I'm reporting the news Matt and Dylan are attempting to start something, and I'm in support of it because I know who they are. They didn't have support as whistleblowers But they're creating something. And I wantna give you just thirty seconds, Matt, maybe, just tell him take a minute, tellell them what you're doing. You're not gonna be able to find it for like probably a couple of weeks. When we put this out, I'll put links, but they're building this idea. and I believe in it because we need it. As you can tell, people need it. And then after that, we're going right into Q and A so you get some questions And then we're disappearing, man. So way what you're going to talk about is not for you and Dylan. right Right. Go ahead.ake time. Yeah. so as I alluded to in our interview back in March, Dylan and I have started a nonprofit organization to basically be a whistleblower support organization And through very harsh lessons we have learned that aside from Jeremy and George here, there is almost nobody in this space publicly we can trust. And any whistleblowers who are already out there or who are considering coming forward have very dire prospects coming out on their own to the sort of established ecosystem that's there. So we are creating something by whistleblowers for whistleblowers to help these people and their families medically, financially, spiritually, emotionally and legally to just survive the process. It is hell Very, very few people have your back And worse than that, there are active efforts to solicit new whistleblowers to come forward because Dylan and I are inconvenient because we tell the truth. And they want those whistleblowers to come forward for one of two reasons to these very particular groups. They want to gain technical intelligence through underhanded means, or they want political pawns that they can use to push their messaging That's fine. This is a free country, but we are going to do our best to make sure that the honest people, the true people have a place they can go that has their back and looks out only for them. And that's what we're starting. We're calling it Vanguard. We lead the way, and we want to support our warriors who also have led the way for truth I'm going try to be a little light now and a little levity. we accomplished the mission. I want you to hear the voices now you've done heard them. But I will say, it's really ironic to me that Matt and Dylan have to start something to protect other people. When I get calls from very rich people who are say, oh, we're putting together this whistleblower fund, We're doing this, you know, we're gonna to do this for everybody. I go, mother fuckers, they need your help They had to move houses now. They don't have security now. You're just trying to get more people to come to you to be whistleblers. So you learn some shit or whatever you get out of that wampum. and it's bullshit. It's bullshit guys. Support the people that need the help. They're not asking for a handout either, by the way, they're not doing that All they're trying to do is set up a safe place for people to come forward and tell the fucking truth. So with that said, we're gonna have a Q and A. but please, this is important to me, ask a question of those guys, right? Ask a question. Don't tell me your story. tellell me later. I'll be here all day. Ask a question, whoever has a good question, it's usually one sentence Let'sen do. let How much time we got? How much time we got? hold on, hold on, hold on. How much time we got twenty minutes, wow, that's fineine. How is the best way to do this? Can I just hand you this mic? O can I hand somebody this mic and they go to the people that raise their hands and ask the question? So it's really chill. Who wants to take the mite from me? Thankk you? Please, somebody take the might from me, sick my own voice This question is from Matthew. In your last episode with Guise, you said, you're not sure if this planet is our home anymore. On the last episode with Matthew, he said that he's not sure if this planet is our home anymore I just came from across the way with Jack Fillay, and he said over there that they have these beings and they're trying to communicate with them and build a language. And I just heard him say that. so like whose planet is this going to be or who did it intend is going to be for I'm not going to lie to you and say that I know the answer to that, but the answer that I can give you is that it's clear that we are sharing this planet Hi, than you. Missil manan, G great to see you Dylan. than Thank for being here. So questions about to Senior Chief Wiggins and the whole panel of wants to chime in. The United States Navy has such an interesting history of supporting the sailor out at sea as opposed to the United States Air Force. It's much more adjacent to the intelligence community, much more adjacent to the national security infrastructure and policy Do you see any way to help leverage protection for people who come from the private sector to report? For instance, Dylan Boylland and others to leverage the support system in the Navy by looking for whistleblowers within the Navy structure because politically and historically, they've been so much so supportive than the other branches and particularly private sector. Is there a way to leverage that and weaponize that Alex, I think you should go your're Navy. You know, I'm Air Force, so all you, buddy. Yeah fight I think a good way would be to incorporate the systems that we have in the Navy for the other branches to include the government as well. I think It would be as simple, to me, I say simple, but as simple as having someone from the different branches look at the instructions and the way in which we have our reporting procedures and just carbon copy it and utilize and set up a program or an office with inside of the Air Force, Army, etcetera to be able to do exactly what the Navy does. copy the same thing for the government itself. There are those in the civilian sector doing the same But before the next quest, I just want to say, our friend, John Gutieras, AKA Guts was the first active Navy person ever come unweaponized It was the second episode. You should all watch it It was a huge risk. Got a big family. I J just wantan to do a shout out to Guts because he was here one year with his family rightight now, Guts is on deployment. He's on the USS Abraham They're delayed very, very long. They're blowing up their food. They're sending drones to go and blow up parts of the ship. I just wantan to say shout out to Guts. We love you're thinking about you, and he's been out a long time Okay, first, thanks to all you guys for what you're doing. My question is, you said that there are whistleblowers who haven't gone public yet that you are aware of. And I'm assuming you're all in touch with them. No don't make assumptions. They're not all in touch with them. A do you know if they're already being messed with and that's why they're not coming for? And is there anything that you guys or even us could do to help them No Okay But but hold on, hold on, hold on. He should answer that, but Yes, actually Now that you know ell people We have an army of people that want to come forward Tell people they're being fucked with. Tell people what you heard today. This is truth. Dylan? Yeah, I think this is what Mat, I wantan to set up is basically some sort of preemptive, also restitution fund until we get accountability by our government because our government should be helping us out for the crimes they committed against all of us in humanity. So that is what we're trying to do My question is for Matt. How do you compare the images and video that the Department of War have released to the images and video within the Immaculate Constellation program? Like is there a huge fidelity difference where if you saw What you've seen would be like obvious and indisputable or is it still kind of the same similar? So I'm going to be careful with that one. You know, in the Department of State approved field report that I submitted to Congress. You know, some incidents are described I think I would refer you to the level of detail written down in that report for what was visible. Are we overhearings, by the way, because I've heard a couple coms before my friends say, Oh we don't need to hear anymore from whistleblowers. we need the goods, know, So we got some videos. There are people, I think should testify under oath with their hand up and have that chance because then you will know because they've done it behind closed doors and skiffs with threaten of imprisonment, but for you to trust them If they put their hand to God and country and Congress and tell you What they know Don't you think that's still important to hold hearings with whistleblowers? or no Tell me, yes or no Okay. so now Congress, say it really loud, Hey, Congress, it's still important to people, right? Okay, so they represent you, so I bet we're gonna have more fucking hearings after they hear that Next question Not to testify. Guys, thank you for the guts that you show. Dlan, question for you. I don't really know what it is you supposedly saw. Can you please tell us the information that you may have or at least an overview? Thank you. Well, I mean, so I saw approximate one hundred foot equ equil lateral triangle take offff near the NASA Hangarart Langley Air Force Base Pretty simple, watch a light pop up, flew to me. I can't tell if it manifests. I can't tell you if it decloed from active camouflage stopped a hundred feet in front of me and one hundred feet above me equilateral triangle, large center white light, gold fluid like plasma coming over it Three minutes, cell phone shut off, Fash took off. I estimate commercial jet level in seconds Fam reset, I could smell thunderstorms and I had sack electricity. As for the other things, I would really, really recommend you listen to last week's Weapon eyize interview out of Oregon I did not set Dylan up with those questions I was told by the intelligence agency. the name of a program that I already knew I was told that he did four drawings He did not. They were trying to solicit from me that he ever walked past the line to me and George. He did not, and it's all documented The only reason I could say it And he can't confirm nor deny it. We called my lawyer and George's lawyer right before is because Oie and I slipped And I have it documented. So Matt wants to tell that story Sorry, Dylan wants to tell that story. Matt has another story. Got it. Next question quick. How many minutes we got? R, Do you want to give the name? Project Rubik's Cube is one of many UFO programs. It's a very small one, but it's rail and it's part of a program that deals mostly with UAP. but there is an entire Almost constellation of UAP programs. Some deal with reverse engineering, some deal with contact, some deal with stuff that's really strange. There's a whole constellation of programs and they're changing names all the time and they're different names to see what leaks. There's a lot of fake info out there eleven minutes so I can Hit them with questions Hi guys. I'm incredibly empathetic to your employment situations. What can we do to help you get a job? You seem like you have lots of really great skill sets. I work in tech, we're always hiring. How can we help? How can all of these people who all work help you get a job that's not at Home Depot set up W they the m do that? ahead. Yeah. So I think one of the things we were floating and this is one of the other difficulties is, you know We appreciate all of you and love all of you. Sorry Men cry. It's okay. I cry in a movie Lll love everybody Unfortunately, because of things that have happened, you really can't trust anybody. So one of the ideas we were floating was with this organization is a way to get resumes up there and go through whistlebowers and possible future whistleblowers to get out of the situations they're in But that's one of the ideas. I'll give it over to you guys. It's hard to trust anybody because they have a lot of people infiltrating their life and we workshop it. and I have certain knowledge and access to information to help, but I'm not perfect with it. There's been a lot of attempts. It's called false friendship in the intelligence agencies Sometimes they can last years. So someone will befriend me or these guys, tell me they're from NSA because they know they have to tell me because I'll find out in one day. And after four years, when they tried to get me and George to solicit, I told that NSA person the truth, which is that I've known the whole time that you're the FBI liaison to the NSA. Now I like you You fucker, but you try to give me. Now I have beers with you, but that's called false friendship. So what these guys are up against is it's hard to make new friends. It's hard to trust employment Yeah. It seems like She's saying she'll talk to you now. You know, I mean, I don't think it hurts to go ahead and have that conversation, even if you've got to worry about trust and verify later. but I mean, you're here.. wantna have that conversation. Yeah, and just a comment, I havem nothing against Home Depot. R R. R. In community college, that's where I work to support myself , you know Thank you.. The next few months are going to be trying to get this organization off the ground. And if part of that is a job board from people that we vet and trust, that would be wonderful. Nobody's looking for a handout. They're looking for a future. Yeah Five minutes, ten minutes Nine minutes, ye. So we have to be respectful and move everybody out quickly. I just ask that we have to slip out the back door. We will be here all day, all of us.ight. These guys, as you can see, Matt is very thoughtful and esoteric, thoughtful Matt just cracked a fucking joke. And that is amazing ' laughing Hels you through this. We have this joke between me and Matt, the Brown family, Medis whole family, most of his family, and the Cor Baller family as they call my family. we don't have the same humor. so we're like two computers not missing it. And like Dylan, his mind is so fast and that's why he was a great all source analyst for a couple number of agencies So we miss each other like this sometimes and I'm like, don't, give me the straight news. But this bond, right? And we got the anchor, senior chief who was fucking right there, like I look to him, Where should we go? But this whole panel of people you have over here are highly skilled Highly qualified. They're trying to make a change. They're trying to make a change because of what happened to them. And you can support that. I don't know how. It's not about giving a patreon or giving them you think there's something bigger they're doing. and I'm excited to see and I don't know if it's going to work out Neither do they But you got to try. And these guys are going to try. So we probably have five minutes Six minutes. I'm just trying to get out of here. you can go. So the exit plan is this is you know, we'll say hi real quick here I think that's appropriate right here, but then I have to move them. when I say move Please Let us move. will'll be here all day Right Q question with this lady right here, because you got a beautifulir Actually, I have the microphone back here.. Yeah I think she's okay. What's your name? M Mary, go for it Yeah, we're going to make it loud. We'll put it online. It'll be in social media. and we will be talking... One more quick thing is again, we need people who actually believe in helping. So nurses, doctors, psychiatrists Souses have been through stuff, children. So we're trying to figure out how to do this with no money and just the goodwill of all of you. So we'll be out there. Okay. so this is the very last question It' been a long time. George said. And then I'm to let these gentlemen have the last words to ask a question. Right. I will. My name iss Ryan Wood. I've been in the field for forty years And I'm the curator of the majestic documents and manage all them. on the Majestic Documentss website. The question for the panel, anyone and thank you for your courage is have you ever heard in a classified setting about Majestic twelve or MJ twelve or anything like that It's yes or no H the class invested in M It's yes or no, let people think that. No, but if anybody did, they would have to say can't confirm or deny. Okay, thank you sameame Correct, yeah.. So I think they're telling you no, but if they could, they couldn't confirm or die it would have been a classified setting. So I want to thank you all for being here. You've heard what I've asked of you, which is just say hi, but let these guys go. I can't wait to hear from you and your stories. That's why we're here. Next up, George is doing a George and George thing, which is cool And then we're gonna screen Sleeping Dog with a really cool pen on the director's gonna talk, notot me, the director. Thank you so much you guys