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Directposit one thousand dollars a month fund invest account for a point five percent increase cash account offered by Wealthfrontrokerage LC member Fer S IC, a Hello everybody. I'm the American Nightmare. Welcome to What do you want to talkalk about today, An incredibly special guest. I wanted this guest for a very long time. I am so excited. A Hall of Famer inducted in two thousand five. man with the bullhorn, all the amazing jackets. The mouth of the South, the founding member of the Gintries The one and only Please welcome to what do you want to talk about a Fanatics and WW original production, The Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart. B Cy, this is awesome, man. Thankks for inviting me here. This is cool I wish the energy that you have and the passassion You, you just exuded You live it You look it You believe it is is u Y style for how you approach this, how you do interviews you've done everything you've done This is a maybe a strange question to jump off with, but is it from Memphis? Is it from Is it from the upbringing? Is there someone who you looked at that was Maybe Jimmy Hart before Jimmy Hart You know what? I was raised by a single parent. My mom raised me, you know, just us too by ourselves. And so It was kind of crazy back then, but I realized back then, if I'm going to do anything in life whatever it might be, I'm going to have to do it myself. You know, I didn't have a rich mother, a rich father or anybody else to fall back on. So U, That's the way it really started back then. We just we had to we had to make it ourselves. She worked two jobs. When I got through playing football, I played believe it or not, I played Ball in high school a wing back atrewill High School. sameame school Jerry Lawler went to But when everybody else would go home to a good old hot meal, I went right to Pick Pack grocery store thirty five cents an hour back then., Can you believe that?. But I' do my little sack groceries and stuff and then finally I work my way up to Stockboy. That was forty cents an hour. And then finally the bottle boy fifty cents an hour It turned out great. Everything turned out beautiful Oh my gosh, did it turn out beautiful? you talk about Jerry Lawler You talk about Memphis, Cinental and there territory was I'm curious as far as F to territory Verne's territory,, Shire, California, Bosch, Texas, up in the Northeast. in terms of Memphis and just that in the South What do you think you guys were the best at Well, you know what? I had a chance to visit Florida for a while And which was great and also go to Vern's territory for a little bit and a couple of other places, but Hi up. I don't know, it's just something special happened in Memphis. you know. Before I got into the wrestling business down there, I started watching it, of course, with Jerry the King L lawler and all of them. And one of my favorites was a guyam Sputning Monro. I love Sputning Monro. It was something about Sputtingk was so cool and so great And when I would go to the Coliseum really auditorium back then. I'd go out front, I'd sell programs. I'd be out front of the door and they'd come out, pick you, you, you, you. and I'd sell programs for popcorn, whatever they wanted me to do And I'd always hustle as much as I could because I knew that night I got to watch the main event because they'd come and check up all the money before that. And that's when I got to see Spunding Monroe and Billy Wickixson that main event for that Cadillac week after week after week And I just loved it. It was just something about it that I love. So finally, when Jerry Lauer gave me a chance to join the company down there Um I just said, you know, I'm going to make this work whatever, whatever it takes. And it just turned out to be great. But I think a lot of things that we had, we got to do our own interviews, a Lar drove me crazy because when I was there, I'd have three or four matches I'd have to do on each Saturday morning live TV, But he had wait til the last minute to tell me what he would like to happen, right? And I'd go King, please. I said Oh you are you're dueling around in there drawing pictures, It's thirty minutes before we start. He goes, Jimmy, get about ten minutes til. I went ten minutes til. But the reason he did that because he wanted me to really think hard and be my best. If I'd planned too much for it, sometimes youre plan too much on anything, it doesn't turn out the way you want it to turn out. So I think that was one of the things that we had, just spontaneous stuff that we were able to do But Nickman R Oh ye Wow I think you might be the first person to mention Mo on the pod God What was it about him? What was it? Well, it was just something about him. his interviews, you know, when he would talk to you, you really believed everything that he said, you really believed, that's what was gonna to happen on that particular Monday night or whoever was fighting. And I'm going to tell you something too, what Sputney was really known for later on, which we found out Back in that day, of course, you know, back in our early areera for us too, we didn't have guaranteed contracts. Everything was on a percentage, what you did off the door And he was the one of the ones that we had a great African American fan base down there. but they only had a small section they could sit in at the old Coliseseum back their auditorium back then for them. Coliseum later. So they only had X amount of seats where they could really go. So Sputney got with the guys and he says, look This is crazy. We're half full You know, downstairs, we got another five or six hundred people, African Americans standing out front wanting to come in. They've only got X amount of seats for them. We need to make sure that they let everybody in that wants to buy a ticket come in. He got that changeed really quick. He got with all the boys and they got with the promoter down there at the time and just said, lookook, this is what we want. And they went with it and made a lot of sense And so he was really responsible for that back in the day. That is Asolutely wild. And I know That was the situation, but Good on him. He did great. You really did. Good on him. I mentioned it in the introduction and I mean I could go on and on and on, but something I knew about you very early on because my dad told me when I'd watch. So if I watched you on TV or when when I got to see you up close and personal at WCW, you always talked about the gentries And I feel like anytime we talk about Jimmy Hard and wrestling, I feel like not enough people talk about the gintries and your musical roots and what you did because it leans into the amount of music you provided for wrestling I feel like tell me tell me about the gentry Well, we we're in high school, Treadwilleigh S schoolool, Jerry Laotghtter Whats course one of my yo roommates or roommates or whatever you want to call it back in the day back in the day, schoolmates. And so what he did he went into artwork And I in the wrestling, of course, and we went into music, of course. But what happened is our first group of gentries what we had, we were in high school. We did a show called Ted Max's original ammateur. We won a talent contest in Memphis and we got to go to Miami Beach to do, which is kind of like American bandstand. O ourur America's got talent now O American idol But that was back in the day. So we won the talent contest in Memphis and we got to take a train from Jackson, Tennessee, all the way to Miami Beach, Florida. And that's where we met Ted Max And so They had all different. They had a juggler there contest for him. They had all kind of singers and stuff, but We played a song called, Do you love me alive? Nobody had seen that on TV before for that type audience. So the votes came in a month later and they go, guuess what? You guys won. We go back to Miami again, same trains, same way. we go down. We won twice. the third time We got disqualified because we'd already signed a record contract with a guy named Chip Smoman Chip Moan was a friend of a guy named George Klein, who was the best friends of Elvis Presley, okay? And so George Klein had a show called Talent Party that was in Memphis at the time, which was like American Bandstand, which was like American Idol. We got on that show and we cut a song called Simes and the other side was called Keep on Dancing And all of a sudden back then when you got a record played, the kids in your school could vote for that. And so every week, we had the number one record. So MGM records came in and said, well, look It might be a freak deal because they have all the votes for here because they're from here. Let's put this record out in Nashville and in Chattanooga, Tennessee of all places, but it did real well there. So they gave us our record deal on MGM records. And then after that, the rest was history, man. we just took off from there. On the weekends, we'd go to school during the week and on the weekends The MTM were able to spend the money to fly us out to do American bandstand or Dick Clark or Hullibaloo or Shindig or where the action is And we did a lot of those gigs like with Steppenwolf and Chicago and the beach boys. I loveved playing with the beach boys. So the weekends would go then we'd come back on Monday and go back to school. And this was all happening. So a lot of people say, Jimmy Hart's lips are moving, he'sying but I got lot of posters in my storage to prove it. So but that's how it really clicked And They just took off from there. So we had four Gentry albums off one hit single How that happened? I really don't know. And then after that, we jumped to the sun label. Wh talking about your dad, every time I saw your dad, he'd always go, Jimmy saying, keep on dancing for me. And I said Come on Dusty, D don't know, I can't start this show. you saying, K keep on danc. And I'm going, okay, I'll saying, keep on dance. I did little, you know, little part of that. And I'd always he'd always call me to go pick him up at the airport sometimes when he was up doing the TNA stuff later on. And I'd go pick him up. and hed go, if this was H Hogan, he said, why wouldn't you come pick me up in a Cadillac? I said, Dusty, I pick you up in mykeia because you're the common man And if people see me picking you up a limb. He goes, J my heart, you got me again, baby. You got me again. Yeah. Just a short snippet of what you told me just now about your musical career. Right. How many years was that? The gentries and those NGM and those four records? How many years was that? From nineteen sixty five or sixty five, sixty six to almost nineteen seventy nine, But we did all those tours and I had different members, of course, that came and went And then when we jumped over the sun label, we kind of had a re A rejuvenation of the genturies, we had a hit record, top forty record called Cinnamon Girl written by Neil Young With our original gentr, I'd met Neil Young when he was in a group called The Buffalo Springfield when we played the whiskey of Gogo for two weeks And we were out there with the buuffalo of Springfield. They were a warm upp group and thought we were the main event. I guess you could call it back then. But I still have posters of that too. Believe it or not, some of the doors would come to see us each week. The birds would come to see us. On our breaks, I'd go next door to the rainbow room. littleittle Richard would be playing there and the turtles would be playing at the rainbow room down the street. So it was just a great era back in the day. I believe it. And the fact that it all happened in such a short span of time correct compared to what you're going to then do next in the wrestling space. What a life What a and I feel like wrestling fans, I just hope they look at what all you just said the amount of hustle and go get them and successful four albums MGM. This is a I didn't even know. I just the old man would say the gintrirees. He'd talk about because because this is this is what I'm thinking in terms of You come into wrestling and you are very responsible for some of the best ever Wrestling themes or as you'll hear a lot of people outside of it say, what's the walkout song? whatever it is Who is the first person to wantna Merge those worlds, your musical talents and your wrestling love. When Jerry Lauder down in Memphis, he said, lookook, you got carte Banch. Let's do some music videos. So he let me do music videos. And of course, back then, we didn't have a lot of money and a budget, right? So like I would take, say, like Eddie Gilbert when we did his song, hot Stuff, which was a song already out But I borred my friend that at Treill Haskll Lbard, his his Corvette. putut him in that A friend of mine had a place called Chelsea Limited down there had all closed from Europe. So we'd go in, we'd put him in an outfit, come out the door, film a little bit, go back in change, come out the door. We did that over and over. And so we did all that. On the motorcycle I had another team called the Dirty White Boys. We only had one motorcycle So I hook that on the back of a truck withith a heart fail and we came over one side. We let one guy ride across the bridge with it, then we'd go back, put the other guy on it right across the bridge. And so we had him one guy point to the right, one guy point to the left. So it looked like they were riding together, you know, coming in on that. But that's the way we had to make it back then, you know? Yeah. no budget. So we just did everything we could, but Jerry let me do a lot of crazy stuff back then, songs like We Hate School and Lance Russell, Snows, all the big ones if you're from Memphis And and so we just had fun doing it. So when I got to New York, Vince let me do a lot of the musical stuff up here, you know. And so u By the way, sexy boy, but Seaan Michaels, which he still uses. Thank you, Seaan, has over twenty four million hits on Spotify. if you check it out. So would that be your favorite one that you did that you worked on? Well, I love that one because Seaan did it. The songs that Jimmy Johnson did great songs up here, but I tried to fix mine where they Some of the guys were able to really participate in them and maybe sang them too like the Rougeau Bothers, you know, the big line. We don't like heavy metal, we don't like rock and rooll. All we like to listen to is Barry Mandelo, and people would laugh and go, why'd you say Barry Mandalo? And I said, Well if we just said Led Zpplin, people would have loved them, you know? And so we had to make them kind of corirky too along with it. But we had so much fun all of Honky Tonk man's hits, you know hunk, a hunk, a hunky love.. You ain't nothing but a honky dog baby and all the big ones, right?. And so and so we just we had so much fun doing them and And then when I first came up to do WrestleMania one, whichich I was lucky to be on that, but I was so excited. I met Dave Wolf who was Cindy Lopper's manager. And so he said, we'reutting a wrestling am. If you got a song for it? I said, Well, I got one called Eat your heart out Rick, Springfield. He heard it. He goes, I love it. Let's do it.. So it just all kind of fell into place Let's take a moment to talk about power moves. When you bet on yourself, leave the comfort of the status quo and come back to headline WrestleMania, that is a power move. 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And so then we had rooad warriors, Snookas Ro man U of course, the Heart Foundation theme Yes. and u We had Ted DBiosi, the millionaiire, money money money, money.es. And what I did on his, I just took the words that he would do, you know, use for a promo. I chopped them up, and I said, Look, Ted, you just read these words. I'm going to show you when to come in for them and do doing them. So we put the thing together and he did it like in his own voice, so it turned out good for him, you know? So we did that U I've got a list of You kind of caught me off guard here, but did you do Dusty'? Yeah, we did all your dads. Oh my God. but I gotta tell you, here's a quick story. this is so funny with him. Dusty goes, Hey, I just talked to Vince and he said, you can write me a song. I said, Okay, what do you want it? And he goes, Okaykay, I had my list. He goes, Okay, I want a cowbll. I want a cowbll. He goes, give me some soul sisters, singing from Memphis. I said, soul sisters, singing from Memphis He goes, G me some horns, thoseose Memphis horns. I said, Okaykay, the Memphis horns. I said, Damn, dusty approach you just ride it yourself. He went. So we did it, but we got that cowbeill in the front of it, man, I had those girls in the front going, He's a American dream. Boom, boom, boom. He's a common man. You know, they were rocking out. we had the horns in their family You know? And so I couldn't wait to play it for him because I always loved him, man. and so so he he listened to it. he goes And I'm going, o man, this don't look good. This is not good. I said, This ain't going be good. I know what. He came out and he goes, Not only did I't I love it. He said, I love it. You what it made me feel so good because, you know, always loved him, man And of That was so great when he did that. We did American madeade for Hk because when we left New York and went to WCW, we couldn't use real Americans. So we did American Made for him and I got a question about that. Okay I have been on record It's going to Not everyone loves this, but I have on record said that I have preferred American made over real Americanans Oh, don't dont don't get heat on right, please I I don't know. And I remember there's I was in Japan one time. I sang the whole thing. J dide. We got the tape. you and and Matt Nick everybody was out there working Japan at the time. We were all singing it because we were about American made. There was a whole discussion. guy named Scorpio Sky. It was a whole discussion on what was better. I remember you got this. You did. You sent it to me. I showed you to Hook. He goes, Oh my God, this is great. because we knew the whole we were at a train station singing the whole thing. Be Hook loved you Hook He goes, Dusty Roe sent that to you. And I said, Dust I? Yes, I got it. I said I said, you know, I said, Cody sent it to me and I just said I was so excited to get that, you know. a matter of fact, we still have that. we sure do Which one is better Which one's better? Well, here's what it is for the people like Re American, it's better for them. For the people like American they it's better for them. Hey look,s Let me just say something. Here's what I've learned. I ain't no Democrat, I ain't no Republican. All I am is just a Jibroni. and that's just the way it is. man. That's all I am. That's all I'll ever be, But same thing on that, you know Whoever likes what they like, let them like it Well, too, it speaks to your experience when when you're watching So I was so excited when Hulk came to WCW for what it meant for WCW what that meant. He was going to be across from sting. He was going to see all these guys I've liked and will have that huge star that was out there in the world is now part of WCW. So his music, all of it I was I was into it actuallyually in every, I think a pretty good track record for the Hulkster in terms of all the musical choices he made from Real American and then all the way when we did the, you know, Hendrix, which is never on anything you watch anymore. It's I assume that costs a lot of money or much too much money. But all good all good choices in terms of I'm looking because there's multiple megaphones throughout this room and your jackets which have become signature to you, no one doing it like you Um Who did you enjoy most? I feel like I know the answer, but you got to really manage. and you're part of this era of managers that we all wish we could have back Who did you enjoy most managing? A quick story. the reason I did' my jackets like that is because the first time we did American bandstandam with Dick Clark. And all the tours were Dick Clark. our first tour was with the beach boys were Dick Clark. And he said everybody into a room, Cody. And he said, look, When you're on that stage, you might not feel good sometimes You might not feel like you want to go out there He said, but you got to remember one thing You're dressed. your dress is so important because If you dress like the audience, one day you're going to wind up sitting in the audience Meeting give the people their money's worth. When they say they't want to see somebody dress like them. they want to see somebody different And that's why I kept that up. So in WW, Vince, let me dress way I wanted to dress. I'd always show him my jacket, Jimmy, whatever you want to do, you do it. I went, okay, you know, he's the one that brought me the megaphone H thing and I were sitting in PackKkeepsie, New York getting ready to go out for a match on live TV. And he said, this is going to be yours. He just got he came back from Japan with it. And I said, Can I paint it? He goes, whatever you want to do with it? J just don't overuse it. Yes, sir. Thank you. And so I'm glad he didn't bring me a piano to carry around with me. Thank you, defeense. So so I had that. and so that's how I use it too, But the jackets I wanted to be different. I wanted to be special, D didn't want to be gaudy. But I realized this, when you have so many people, I had twenty three different people that I managed up in New York during that whole length of time. twenty three. Yeah, twenty three different ones. But here's why everybody was so important. If I was with earthquake and typhoon I didn't want to wear a hunky tonk jacket out while they were doing that, right So and I realized that I've got to make a jacket for everybody that I'm going to manage. I've got to make them feel special. feel important because I'd never got this Hall of Fame ring here if it wasn't for all the guys that I was able to go to the ring with. Let me tell you that. They were the Cadillac. I was the hood on on the cadillac. That was it. But they were so important to me, everybody. So that's why I was able to create all the jackets. If it was Honky, you know, Honky doing the Elvis gimmick, and I'd wear the a Colonel Parker outfit I'd wear the Jimmy Hartt musical note stuff, you know. And if it was with the Rue shows that had the Florida leeaves or stuff or Dino Bravo or earthquake and Taffoon or if I was with Terry and Dory Funk, when I managed them, I'd have the kind of buckskin stuff. So I just made sure that everybody was special. T my honky chk, man. I got Honky is so much I have so I have a bunch of honky hk stories, but I u This is something that I was thinking about before you came on and I was really I've told you this story before, but it was a really, really important moment for me learning wise. was Miami, WrestleMania is there and they sent you know how it goes around Mia time town relations. They got a list of names someomeone on the roster, one of our luminaries, one of our legends are h. We need people going. They're going to this TV station. Me and you went I think six AM first shift. So we were there S was bothering me. I was just because you were talking about how you feel on stage, somethingomet was bothering me. Maybe I didn't like what show and I were going to do it Man, or maybe I was just struggling in the beginning, I was kind of struggling on how do I continue to climb the ladder? All those questions, right?? And you were just quiet and you were sitting next to me and She opened up the news feed again, it was first thing in the morning And I thought she was going to go to me, but she swung over to you and you had the program for WrestleMania and you add your thumb. on my page And you flipped it open. you said, I'm here with this young man right here. He's wrestling for the Intercontinental title. This is what we should be talking about. You just went into this whole promo. highlighting me. And then you said and we're opening up seats and it was just such a wonderful, genuine, authentic sales pitch. and I remember thinking I felt like such a jerk. I felt like such because that was Again, that whole Fame ring, that was the difference, right is when it was time You were you were the most professional and it was a great moment. I remember going later, I told Brandy, I told whoever I was talking to that day. I said, I learned something I might not be loving this or unhappy with this, but this is what I'm paid to do. And this is a pretty lucky job to have in terms of where I was at Man, you just it changed me. I still think about this to this day in terms of you went there to sell tickets for WrestleMania And the way you highlighted me and having the program ready, never said anything was so, so just cool This is just thank you. It was a special moment. Well, you know, I love you for saying that, but you know what J just in your lifetime you see certain certain people that you just know are going to do great And I just always felt that about you. You know, it's like when Hulk, when we went to WCW and your dad and everything else He'd always tell your dad. He' said, know Dusty, of course, you know what? He said I stole a little bit from Dusty Rhodes. I stole a little bit from Superstar Graham. You know, Hook would always admit that, you know? And he just said because he loved watching the way your dad would take care of the its the same thing with you too, you know, the way you are now You know, when I see all the kids with all the merchandise, you know, when I see all the kids I don't care what you do in life. I mean you can You can do, you can have the best music. You can have The best outfits, you can have everything you want. But if the people wearing that outfit or coming out to that music doesn't have that special thing inside, you know? Well your look, you've got such a different look, you know, and it's just something there. And you know, when I'm out all the time, you'll be surprised. Well, I know you're not because you see them too. But but when I go out sometimes and do autographs or do stuff for WW or whatever, I always like to watch who's wearing the merchandise. O course. You know, I always watch the merchandise Who's got this on? who's got that on? and that way it kind of helps me who I think might be over. you know, certain towns differentifferent people might be over more than other towns sure. But at WrestleMania, I watched the merchandise at WrestleMania. and I remember your stuff is I'm not saying it because you're here but your stuff is always the kids love you, man. and the adults too, but but I saw one girl there and she was so excited and I just said, I know you come to see because she had one of your jackets. I guess they sell y'all's jackets now. You're a full replica. Yeah. Yeah. it was great. But she had that. And she said, that's why I came to see because I always ask them, whoo'd you come to see? evenven though they have a shirt on with them, but I remember her, you know, saying that and everything. But I always watched that. so What makes you overt selling merchandise, tickets and the arenas, you know what I mean? And so like I said, when they call me to do this, I said Wherere they gonna to be with the champion? You you kding me? This is great. Oh this I'm excited. No, this is awesome. I was so excited for you to come on here and talking about just the amount you lived with music alone. And also something I feel like this is WW. It's the home of spports Enterertainment right. This is taking it back, but You're right there right around the time that Andy Kaufman. Oh, yes, hits the scene And I'm thinking, is that the first or the most significant moment where because now I'm coming off of multiple WrestleManias where there's been celebrities and outside and we merge the worlds and we want to merge the audience, right? But is that the first time sports and pro wrestling was sports entertainment? Is that the first moment It was such a big thing And so unique. Well, you know what was so cool about it? I think Vince Sr. was going to use Andy but didn't do it for whatever reason because he didn't want to guess people talk to him about it the story I got and that Bill A was telling me this. and so They tried to get him up in New Yor. so he didn't want to do it. He said, now, the entertainment thing whatever. So man, we jumped on it. He called us., I was at Lauder's kitchen back then. notot a big office, right? We were in the kitchen. Laer was trying to book and do the program I was sitting there trying to help him with it. And so Bill called and he goes, lookook We got this guy Indy Copp, comed him. Yeah from taxi. Pe still on taxi at the time. He loves wrestling. He's doing this intergender thing with these girls and stuff. Lorder said, man, we'll take him, bring him on down. We don't have the money to fly him in. No, he's going to fly himself in. He said, Well, we don't know what we could to pay him what he wants. He goes, he'll do it for nothing. We went, hold, that's right down our alley. Yeah Fly himself in doing for nothing. we're in baby there. Jimmy picked him up at the airport. Okay, baby, I will. So he came down And the rest was history, but he loved the business. you know, he'd stay at my house some. I got to manage him off and on too after a lauder had the program with him because what would happen? He You know, you know how the wrestling business worked. You know, if you stay on one thing too long, you know, it ain't good, you know. And so he would be outside doing his comedian thing too much and people are here on Monday night are going, well we got a Go to work tomorrow morning. So let's get him in the ring. he didn't want that to happen. So I started managing him so I could say, okay, that's good enough. Let's get in the ring and do what we gott to do. But Andy would stay at my house some, you know, when he passed away, He still had all of his checks. He never cashed any of his Memphis checks. I don't know because they were so bad or he just didn't want to c No I' was kidding. They were good. but but he still had them in his store, he sure did. I just donated to the company up here, one of his pair of his sunglasses. I gave it to Ben Brown, one of a pair of his sunglasses that we bought it when he loved Elvis at the time. After we did the matches on Monday night He'd always go, I'd have to take him by Elvis's house back and before it really got commercialized. and would sit across the street for at least thirty minutes and And he goes, you know, Jimmy I know Elvis is not dead. He's going come out of that gate tonight. He'll have a disguise on, but I'll know him. And I'm going Andrew, please It ain't going to happen, brother. No, I'm gonna to do it. And I say, look, I've gott to drive all the way to Louisville Kentucky tomorrow almost four hundred miles. So I'd stay for thirty minutes and then get him back to a hotel. But he was great. He loved this business man Yeah. I thought a lot about Andy and that connection you had and being there and he loved it. And you fast forward from then to now I give you two examples. I don't know if you've rubbed shoulders with them or chatted them up, but have you spoken with a Little Yachti or jelly rooll at all? You know what? I saw little Yachty and I saw him at WrestleManium after the match with him. and I told him, I said, man, I love the gimmick y'all got going on. peopleople still use gimmick. I don't know if you say that anymore. It might be old school fair. But I I said, y'all work so good together. and everything else. He well, thanks for saying. I said, great. And then and Jelly Roll, I was I haven't really had a time to say anything to him, you know He's He's right up your alley in a sense of the wrestler's dream Loves this wants to be here. Oh that's awesome wants to advance it to the point where sometimes we're not used to that. And Jelly just very much classic you would have seen and go one of the boys one of the boys. he if it was a battle Royal, he could be in it. you know, is he was one of the boys, but that's I'm glad it was like that with Andy and all the stories you hear about it. great. He loved it When I was coming back to the WWE at WrestleMania thirty eight, of course, I had my doubts. I thought, is this really the right decision for me? What if I fail What if it doesn't go how I plann Choosing to make that leap of faith was clearly one of the best decisions I have ever made. If you're starting a business, you might feel the same. So much work goes into this thing that you're not entirely sure will work out That's why it's helpful to have a partner like Shopify by your side. 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But I know it's getting over because in the airport, when I go through the airport now, I mean, people would recognize you off and on, but now it's more than ever people coming up, Jimmy, I'm so sorry for your loss. And I say, but you know, I tell the same thing. I said, number one Hook's in a better place right now. No more pain, no more suffering No we're having a look at the internet over God God Googoo, you know? And I just said, so he's happy. I like that G Gy Googoo. it is everything right now Yeah I like that. But but that's but but that's true. And they said, man, we loved it. We loved it so much. We learned it. And I said, Well, thank you. I said the guys did so much. And of course, when Hope passed away, we had to go ahead and put another ending on it So you know, it took a little bit longer than what they wanted, but the company just did tremendous on it. So I was so happy with Hug would be happy over with that, you know? I'm I'm going to reveal something on this show that is going there's going to be a lot of interviews that people look back out and go, o oh I have trouble watching anything internal Oh It's because I grew up in it. Yeah. Sometimes you can smell the work, sometometimes I don't want to know. I grew up in this. Show me the what's on screen. Right. I don't want to. So there's been a lot of interviews where I've had to navigate, what dod you think of the Iron Claw? What' do you think of the wrestler? Even with Unreal at first, which Unreal and I have finally come to this really great place together, But even Unreal, I'm always like, it's great. I have some pre ready to answer. because I want wrestling to always be seen in the best light I really struggle when someone else documents the inside of what we do, right? because it's going to be a little bit their version That with that said. This Hogan dock Anyone who's come on my bus in the last few weeks has been annoyed It's on D while repeat It's I love that. It's on repeat and I find something new in it each time I find something new in it each time that I just I didn't know or I didn't think of or my gosh didn't realize the magnitude of it. but there is a fun question in the Googoo Gaga land of online that is circulating. and I don't know if you have been asked this question. But one of the revelations of this documentary is you have the nicest house. Let me h than you I'm you h up and I came up with theories. I said it's the music money. it's the I came up with I said, yeah, that makes sense. Jimmy Hart, baby like that house I hate to bust the B. what happened Here's a real story. I'm so glad you asked me that. I was hoping you would ask me that but I't I never said it was mine. I didn't say it. I didn't say anything. That's when they were yours if you're in it, you know. A multi millionaire friend of mine by the name of Ben Malla has that house He bought it for some baseball player for twenty nine million dollars of whatever played for Philadelphia. I can't think of his name. Here's what happened Ab six years ago. He said, he met with me on Hook and he said, lookook, I want to have a Hogans's beach over here. Yeah right on the water over here. He said, I think we can draw three or four thousand people. We thought, what? every week? said, Okay. He goes, the only thing about it now. He said, if that's the case, he said, I'd like Jimmy to manage it. I went, oh my gosh. hereere I go again, you know? Yeah. This is it. He said, you could still go out and do your wrestling stuff because I was still doing, you know that okay because I love that. So what happened We went over there And so U My house because I had a house nice place down in Tampa, you know, because let's fay you made a little bit of money. WWE iss great. I love WW. Yeah. They made a little an al of music too. But my wife has dementia. So finally we had to put her in a home, which she is now, still hanging in. God bless her soul. And so my kids all grew up, you know and left every My daughter had passed away six months about six years ago. and so I have my two sons, but they live there. So nobody was in the house but me and I'm going, what am I doing here? He said, Look, sell your house because he does all the real estate. He said, We'll help you sell it. Just come over here and live at the hotel. We'll give you a good room over there, but that way you're there, twenty four seven, running the place. So I did that. So it turned out to be great stayed there for the whole two years because what he does, he gets them going and then he wants to sell them. That's what he does with everything book. anyyway So it turned out to be awesome So then he sold it. So he said, Well, look, Jimmy, Now, I bought another hotel up in Daytona. I want to put a bar in up there for you. We put all your memorab up there and I thought, well, it's a way to get everything, you know framed and stuff so. But I was still able to go do my wrestling. So we went did in. I didn't know how rough Daytona. I had to get a gun permit. The last thing I want to do is shoot anybody including myself. So I had to get a gun permit and I'm going, o my gosh, it's like the wild wild we So finally, finally, finally, he sold it So then he said, I said, he said, what are you doing? And I said, Well I've got to try to find me a place now. he goes, No, He said, You're living over here. I said I said, not I't want to live here. He goes, Jimmy, I've got this whole side over here. This place is so big. It's got a little miniature golf course there. It's got a bowling alley. It's got a pool that's got a remote to it that goes around there and you're on the beach, right And I said, Well, look, I don't go on the beach. I'm not going to play miniature golf. I sure don't bowl. And I don't want to go swimming with a chlorine because when I dye my hair once a month, I don't want it to fade off. you know, have the chlorine to do that. So I said I said, but I'll take you up on it. So that's where I have. I have that whole side. It's got the guarded gate. But everybody the whole video, everybody goes, man, I love your house. I wait a minute. I spend more time going. It's not mine. It's my friend's house, but I do live there, but it's not mine. so I'm glad you brought that out. Thank you so much. It's wrestling. so you we've seen you in it. your house.viously it's wrestling we've seen Oh man. Also the fact that you brought up a gun permit for Daytona your clothes definitely I feel like I could see you carrying something under one of those jackets from time to time. You know what I'm saying? Like you may not and also y from the days of your heel work We were around some very riotous crowds, right? It was a great time. But you know what? It was like it was like It was like a badge of acceptance. I loved it. When we had beer thrown on us, I didn't complain or get mad. I loveved that. When we had people, you know, I got shot one time in Louisville, everybody has in the in the roump Yeah with a dart gun, a guy made a homemade dart went c, hit me right up. What bothered me the most? I just hold on, hold on just for content Yeah. A man in Louisville. Yeah Yeah took a dark gun. blow style? he got a he got a cheap little straw from Wendy's or McDonald's or whatever. Bill one of those big ones made a home took a little needle, like threading needle, put it in there, put a little thing on it, and went as I was coming up because they had me draped over and he show in there handsome Jimmy right, Handsome Jimmy shoulder. It was a six man tag It was like Jerry Lllard, Jerry Jert and Dylan Dee against me, the dream machine and handsome Jimmy Valant. And I'm leaning over the back. They're carrying me out, of course, I got beat, right? So I'm leaning over the back and all of a sudden I'm go o And I thought, man, I hope nobody burnt my tights because we didn't make a lot of money back then Yeah. So I got back and I went, o I hope my tights aren't burnt. They go, No, look, they went, who. And I went, what is it? And they go, look, it's dart. And I went, o Oh my go. And Miss. Jarret ran that she go, You've gott to go get a teechna shot. I went, what? You gott to go get a technna shot. I went, oh my God. I said, it's going take my whole payoff to go get a technna shot, you know But I went and got a technna shock. I didn't have anything, thank goodness, but that's what happened But I went, oh my gosh, I couldn't believe. But you know what? I didn't really get mad about it because we get the people upset over it. And then we get mad because they get upset with those. This didn't make any sense, right? I don't know if you remember, but my dad had that splotch is what it's often called. He had that marked. Oh yes. I've just heard fans call it the splotch I asked what it was. This is a mark on his stomach and he told me a fan stabbed him. Uh, it's a birthmark Yeah. ye. that's what that's what he told me. He told me' a birthmark. It' I's going It's a birthmark. But I remember thinking like, Dang, you were it was when him and Dick were together. I thought you were that there was that much heat and people would come, That guy came to shoot you in the butt with a boat. like that he came for that That's how angry you had gotten them. You know, we want them to come in and have a great time and sometimes they They have too great of a time, but that's okay. You know, it is what it is. You said something on the Hogan Dock that I really gain I've been I've just so It's it opened up a whole new world for me. I started watching stuff that I had put on the back burner and I lied about watching. justust I gott to see you how this is how we're represented, how we're seen But you said something about the fans because you're talking about WrestleMania eighteen. He said something about how the fans can change. And they can change your trajectory, your fate. that they have that much power that they and any night They might go a different way or they might accept something and cling to something and love something, or they might hate it I think one of the reasons I was so excited about you being on the pod and maybe it's Be from the south. mayaybe it's just the way you were raised, but you love wrestling fans You said something else. I mean, this doc is You're full of insight, including the put on that seatbelt I don't know if you recall saying hey, it's gonna be a bumpy road. putut on that seatbelt. I don't remember saying anything. Oh my gosh.. No, it's a prime example of the full journey. There's some real highs here. There's some this is in every wrestling, you know, a good wrestling career, you're up, you're down. great. All the things. have you is there ever been a time I and I don't know. M maybe it's a hard question to answer. Is there ever been a time, Jimmy where you weren't feeling this, where you weren't At the level of excitement and all joy that you always bring to what you do, quuick story, I'll try to make this short and sweet The reason I love wrestling so much is my uncle JB. that lived in Jackson, Mississippi when I was about ten years old, every summer My mother would let me go with my uncle down to Jacks, Mississippi and his family And that's when I first saw the wrestling in Jackson, Mississippi. And every year I got to spend two weeks down there. and I loved his house and everything. Great in business and everything. had a construction service but on Tuesday or Wednesday night, we got to go watch wrestling. and I fell in love with it. I'd always loved it, just always loved it. And I just from that day on, and back when I was in tour with Dick Clark with the Beach boys or Chicago who were with, when I'd go to the major cities if we were in Atlanta, I'd watch Dusty Ros and dusty Rods and Rick Flair and those guys down there. Then we go to Carolinaass and I'd turn the TV on Saturday mornings, you know, because on the weekends we played and I'd turn the TV on and watch whatever superstars were there. Same thing in Minnesota, same things in Texas, the funks everywhere, but I still always loved it even when I was in music. So when I had the chance with Lawler when he called me to ask me to help him cut a wrestling album. We got in with that. And then all of a sudden it just fell into place where I started doing the music and doing the wrestling. And then one day came when he said, lookook He said, We love you, man. He said Jerry Jertt said, whyy don't you D this music for a while. you You can always go back and manage me. I've got an angle for you to do on Monday night. And butdy he didn't tell me anything Monday night to Cit South Coliseseum. He said, When I raise my hand, I want you to throw me this chain. I went, okay. So I'm sitting there with Lance Russell at Rings side. He go, raise the hand. I see it He didn't tell me to lob it where people could see it. I threw it like a baseball man Yeah. And look, and it went right by, but this is a rope and it goes. Wrapped around the rope. It looked like it was he just reached back and got it D the out Bam One, two, three, it was like perfect. He goes, man, that was great. I went, I don't know what I was even doing. Yeah. The next week I'm on TV Can't wrestle a lick, but I watched it my whole life. So Luder goes, we're going to have a match between you and a guy named Pat Hutchinson. So Dundee comes out and goes, Jimmy Hart, you big sissy, you're music guy, blah, blah, bloom, bloom, bloom. I challenge you to a match with Pat Hutchinson on Monday night. And I said, Pat's been wrestling three years, right I go there Monday night. Now a lot of dresses me like a clown. He gives me his robe that's three feet too long. I'm dragging. He said, What side shoes you wear? I said, eight and a half. He gives ten and a half boot to wear. I mean, his boots candy striped boot. H t He gets one of those tars and outfit keeps falling down. I can't even move. it keeps falling down. I'm going pull it back up. I mean, you know, so I get to the ring We do the match when the match was over, you little little go guy googoo, we get back and Jerry Jerret wasn't there, but he saw film And he said it looks like Jimmy Hard had been wrestling for three years because I loved it so much. And You know, a quick story, you know, I really never left. up to or to go to WCW. What happened I am We did a thing where they switch me baby face. I guess it's okay to say that, I'm sure it is. Oh yeah. I said it already. I hope you know, I don't want to do anything wrong, please. I'm on scholarship up here in WWE. So I love it. so what happened? And we do the thing where they they got me I was managing Brutus and hook at WrestleMania nine against the team. I turned on. I got to be the worst manager in the world. Look, I had the Heart foundoundation. We had championship titles. Loney. What did I do? I leave them to join the nasty boys. So so I give a screw job to the Heart Foundation to give the boys the belts to the nasty boys. Yeah. So I mean, title excuse can't say Bll title. you can. So so I give the title to the nasty boys. And so now then I turn on them to give the titles to money Incorporated. So how worst manager. I can't, I don't know who I want to be with, man, but I did all this stuff. So so I'm managing and Brutus against Money Inc, right? So we do that match. So now we come back. So now we have one more match in Medicicalool Garden hooks, fix the leave to go do Thunder in Paradise. so on He goes, man, I want you to come with me. And I said, Well, I love that. He goes, If you come with me, if you don't like it, you can go back. So he's go, talk to Vince. So I went and talked to Vince up in Madison Square Gard in the room. He met with me. And I said, Look, Vince, I said, I've managed twenty three or twenty four different people here and I've loved it. But right now you've got me with Hawk in them and they're leaving. So what am I gonna do? He goes, Don't worry, He goes, man, I got do this? And I said, Well look What I'd like to do is take a little time off if I can and go do Thunder and Paradise with him. He goes, if you want how many times have you heard that if you want to come back, you can, right. But But he didn't say I could Heays, if you want to come back, Jimmy, you've been great for us, We love you. And so you can do it. So I left to go do that with him. And so with Hulk down to Thunder and Paradise. So I did it. So really, I never left the territory, you know, But while we were down there, after we're down there for six months, it's when Eric And Rick Flair came through and said, Hook, are you going back up there? I don't know if A am or not Well let's go down. I'm going to take Jimmy Whitmy. He goes,ah, he can do music for I s manage. So that's how the whole really worked out. So I really never left here In my mind. So I've always been here, right? I've always been I've always loved it though, you know Summer is coming up and there are so many things to get out and do, concerts, sports, live events I'm always on the lookout to find the best deals on tickets, whichich is why I want to give the sponsor of today's video, seat Geek a huge shout out. 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You can use Cody tenin for ten percent off your next set of tickets at seatkeep That's ten percent off any tickets with promo code Cody Ten Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically added to your account so you can use it later Thank you, Sati One thing I think discovery having chatted with you and seen how you are with all your guys twenty something, the amount of people you manage You weren't just manager on screen You were manager very much in several real ways and with especially with to a degree in helping run elements of of that empire and his endeavors and your your endeavors What do you think? and maybe this is just too broad What do you think is missing today in terms of when you look at the current product And we don't have as many, we have very few. managers. U what do you think is missing? Do you think that piece of it, that actual partnership that was there is missing. Well you know, everything changes though.. Like I know I've changed a lot too. I look at things a lot different than maybe some of the people my age and I've been around this long in the wrestling business. They look at things but they go, I don't like that I don't like this How still love the product You know And I still watch you nextXT on Tuesday You know, I watched Raw on Monday, I watched SmackDown. I love it all. It's like You know, people threw some evid. They said, Who do you like from NXT? And I said I loveved Ethan Page and I love that's his last name. I love him and I love Ricky Saints and I loved Sol Ruca. You know, Sol Rua reminds me of a shardu Fare meed Javon Evans You know, with her acrobatic ability and his acrobatic ability and everything else. And somebody told me that it said, what would you do with Samy Zayn? because I rode with Sammy Zay in the in the van I imagine that car ride. I knowist hand. I know I know but trust me. And so we were talking everything else and I knew he was going against trick. and you know, that's tr, you know, look, when you got the outfits, trick Scott And you got the music And you got the manager And you got everything you got. People are going to love you. You know that. I do too. And I didn't say it to Sammy, but I wanted to say, you know, Sammy, when you make a change, you gott to change that look. I wanted to say dye your hair black. ch. Cut your beard different. Black, That's a chain. Do a different outfit because sometimes you can't just keep the same look and be the same, you know, people not, you know, But I didn't want to say that because you know, he probably stretched me. so I said, I'm keeping my mouth shut. But sometimes you have to really do that. But but the business now, everything changes And it's going to change and you just kind of got to roll with it. But I just think that If I had a if I was doing something, always look, who's doing merchandise You know, What are the ratings for these segments? I'm sure they do it anyhow. And you look and see what's happening. So sometimes you keep doing something so long like with Hawk in the NWO. What happened with us Before we changed on it, wed look at merch hook I because we were talking about may maybe could have chang and I said, we look at merchandise sales. We looked at that. We saw that was dipping a little bit Then we looked at certain house shows, how much you were drawing the house shows back then when we were doing them. and that was dropping a little bit when he was on top. And I just said, you know the old saying, If you do what you've always done, you're going to have what you've always had. So sometimes it might be time to change. And so then, but I said great quote. But here's the thing. And then when they had, and I said, But, look, here's what's good about this hook if we do this I said, lookook, who's coming over? Tw guys Red Hot. Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. So you're going to have two bookkends we that are so good It's so bigger than life that you've never really had that before, you know? And so it just it was just magic. It was just magic that happened on that type thing. And so sometimes and I'm not saying it's going to work with everybody. Yeah, you know, But I always look at everything on do it. If I had a wrestling school, which I never will because I can't wrestle, but but if I had one, I'd get somebody that could talk first had charisma first and had a look and then I'm going to train them. I'm not going to train them and then go, Damn, they can't talk. What am I doing out here doing this? Well, what can we do with him? Well, let's put him in a mask and make him Gookoo Ga. you know, I want I want to actually take If with your permission, I think we need to take three things and put them in the what do you want to talk about Vernacular? because they blown me away. Gooooy feels very interchangeable and usable in the best wrestling parlance in the way So we want that word. if we can use that with your permission on the I think we also you're you're the first person to maybe the last who's still saying the wrestling And I love that I love I'm going we would like that. And then the quote, which was the quote. So this is my favorite thing about What do you want to talk about is Craig who produces a show, puts this whole sheet together of these questions that I should ask in history and bios that. Ben Brown sets this whole warehouse up of the history of the business Rning through here. Everyone who loves it comes. there's a gallery of people who are sitting here watching us right now I'm not a podcaster My favorite thing is to is the wreling The wrestling. is that. That's what I that's what I want to do And I often come here and think, all right, this would be really fun. These are great guests, but the best thing that can ever happen for me as a wrestler is when I can sit here and learn. I can only learn when it's it's someomeone like you. And to hear that and the quote is when you do the same thing, What is the exact quote? If you do what you've always done, you're going have what you've always had. I needed that today. Now now if it's doing good, but if it's doing good, keep it up. You know what I mean? But if it ain't you better change that menu real real quick. But look, don't say something to somebody. Don't say something to Triple Hent get me fired now Now I'm on scholarship. No no No. I think you're on scholarship one of the better if not the best guy on the scholarship. When I was talking to Triple Hent before, when I went out with Hook for that California deal we did Yeah I had the flag triple H go, Jimmy whatever you do don't let that flag touch the ground I said, Don't worry baby I ain't I' had raised it any higher, man, I'd have ripped my arms out of the socket. man. I had that going up through the roof. Well, I was waving the heck out of that darn thing. Well, speaking of, that's the Netflix premiere That's it's a lot happening on that show. Yep. I was in the front row talalking to me 's just a lot happening new into it, the way that arena set up. There's so much going on. That's the was Youre you're out there. That's Hogan's last moment R before the documentary, of course, and the crowd being what they were Right And here's what happened though, when I told Hook before we went. And you know, I love you, hook, R I'm going to tell the truth on this. Yes.ere's what happened He wore a Trump vanceced t shirt when we did some preach preach God guy googoo to do Yeah do this stuff I said You know where we're going? We're going to California. And like I said before, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I'm a Gibroni, okay. Thank you, Rock. I'm a Gibroni, okay. But here's the deal. I said, I don't like this. Jimmy, don't worry about it,, Okaykay. get out of we get out of the van there the nice town car puts it there. Some fans go, hook, we loved you, but you loved we don't like you anymore because you're you know, oh my God I said Hook, you knew I don't feel good about this. Jimmy, don't worry about it. Oh okay. We go in the back. You know, Well I'm worrying about it because I'm thinking I'm thinking about. So we're in the back and, you know, in the hook and I said, he goes, Jimmy Hart, what do you think? He'd always asked before we do something Yeah. And I just said, No, everything's good. you know, everything's okay. He goes, So we went out and did the little thing with you know, rehearars where we werere going to stand and coming out do his little deal. and I'm waving the flag. rememember I said tririple Hge, whatever you do, Jimmy, don't let your flag. Don't worry baby I won't I promise you. I had that thing stretched up there waving it. and we go out and we do it. And I'm really worried about it, okay? So I go out and re do the thing and all of a sudden,e I went, o oh, Now I'm thinking to myself, well, that's okay, Jimmy? because you know, I'm playing like I'm managing the Heart Foundation against a British bulldog. I in my heyday. So I'm waving the heck out of the flag buddy. And it gets more and more and more. And I could see, hk, I look over there and I'm going, okay. Here we go. So we finish it, and then we go in the back. of course then then Hope Cosman going go, Hey, the radius were good on that segment. We did. And I said, well, I guess they should be because with all the commotion that happened on it, I guess we should have And I said, but you kept telling me, don't worry about it. Well, I was worried about it. And he goes, Jimmy, look, sometimes you got to do what you gott to do. And he said, I've made my bed and I've got to lie in it. That's who I That's who I wanted to vote for. That's what I wanted to do. He said, I knew in my heart going in there might be a catchy thing, but he knew it, you know. But You know, it was And then the next day, Pat McAfheee and get on the show and make a big was a great skit. They have a guy dressed up like Huck going. I told Jimmy Hart not to wear that silly jacket like that. I told Jimmy Hart not to have that hairstyle still. you know, but it turned out great, you know. I've watched it and I mean, I was there and I watched it and then of course the documentary, you see it again. But one of the things that I saw was funny was the hoster the artist was still in there in terms of He did what we often have to do where it's hefe, get the information out, finish the segment. But you could also see Hm Maybe I'll turn on them now. You could also see you could also see it stirring, which is always when you first hear at the moment of Yeah, all right I could do some heel things here. but a segment like that, you've got to just land the plane and take it home but just seeing him. feel it and hear it. you could tell he knew if he needed to play That role, he could. you're smart too because when we got in the back, he goes, I knew I should have worore the NWOT shirt. You know, he said, I want to turn down and I'm so bad to do it. And I said, Hook, look I said, lookook, toward the end, you and Nashational Hall people love y'all. You know? Yeah. I mean, they were You know, anything in life, you know and everybody hits a situation where if you stay into one thing too long, you got to be thinking, what's the next thing I'm going to do to come out of this, you know? Yeah. And so it's just just the way this business is always going to be. You know, ride as long as it's ride and when it's not You know, you' got to turn around if you do what youve always done. You're going to have what you always had. That's when you change and go plan number two, baby. Yeah, you know I am Being that that was a moment and you're out there and you're waving the flag like you said Have you thought at all? Do it wouldould it interest you at all to do One more type moment, one more match, manage somebody, one more night. First of all, Paul Heayman is phenomenal. I tell him every time I see him, I love Paul Heayman. and I'm not just saying it because I love him. And it's just, you know, he's so good on everything he does And and I told him, I said, you know, Paul, I said, people respect what you say because a lot of times crowd used to go if people say something, they'll go, what What? Yeah. But when Paul talks, they'll listen to us. You know, I'm like you. I watch all those things too. Listen Right now, gas is at what almost five dollars a gallon Okay I've still got a little bit of that two dollars and ninety five cents gallon gas left in the old tank. Okay. For sure. So I could probably still go out and do a few little things, but what I found out this If if the company ever wanted me to do something, but you know I'd be there. but until they want me to do it because you can't force yourself on anybody, you know? It's like having a girlfriend going, You can bound flowers, you can by candy, but if they don't love you. Listen, you can buy them everything, you know. There's a song out. I don't know if you remember the song by Body Rate and and it goes, you know, I don't, I don't think you love me if you I can't make you love me if you don't. The old story was these two guys went to write this song. they were trying to go everywhere. They said, we can't think we got to write another hit song. We hadn't had a hit. He said, Why don't we go to this court today And they went to a courthouse that day. And this guy was in there and he goes He goes, guy was up. he goes, Well, Mr. So and so. he goes, ye, he goes Guilty or not guilty? He said, We want to read this ch. He goes, Yes sir. He said, Your Honor, I'm probably guilty of it, but let me hear him. He goes, You had your girlfriend, you gave her a dog and you took it back. Yesir I did that. He said, You gave her a card and you put your initials in it Yes or that was me. He said He said, you came over to her house and you bought her a condo and with a condo and everything else, he said, you vandalized it when she went home Yes, sir I did it. He said, if you learned anything for today and he go, Yp, you can't make somebody love you when you don't. And they wrote that that was that h song you know, that one line in that song. And so I always thought that, But no I would love to do something. You know, you know what I'd like to do? Here's what I really want to do. I'd like to do a kids TV show I talked to Ben Hausser the other day. I said, Ben Hauser, huh? Oh my go. I know what I said, here's what I'd love to do. becauseuse nobody's doing. I said, y'all doing so many great things to company isn' so busy. I said, I'd like to do a kids. I said, lookook, You had them mrter Green Jeans, older guy, Jimmy Hart, older. You had happy howal who had howy duty, older guy doing it. saidid, I'd like to do that. I'd like to take Little Re, who was part of the Hulkhogan videos and stuff. let him be my co host. And I said, let me take Dan House and let me take ourr Truth. Let me take anybody you'll give me and have segments on it. and and I wanted to call it smacked You know, And I said SmAack stands for Saturday morning Action Club Kids if you spell it out, right? right? R It could be on Saturday morning or Sunday morning. But y'all aren't doing a kids TV show, you know, And I said, I'd love to do. Maybe he'll hear this idea and things here's I did I gave him I got all the pictures together. I put all the segments out and I gave it to him. But I said, that's the one thing that nobody's doing. And I said if you go to Walmart and Target, if you look at everything there, which I look all the time seventy percent of that stuff is for kids. When y'all go to the major shows that y'all do, it's more adults that buy the stuff and kids. So one of the things I was just I just did an unreal interview right before we sat down. and one of the things I was saying is there's so many kids in our audience, but their voices are small voices And what I mean by that is I can hear the grown men. I can hear them But sometimes at the expense of the smaller voices that you can't hear, I don't like to dictate entirely what I do based on that older male demographic because those small voices They're they're just a little quieter. That's all. They're just good. is they're just a little They're just a little quieter and I don't want to do anything If you find yourself in a situation, John seen as the greatest example, he he turns heel and Well, he's not a heel because they grew up with him And they were they grew up with him and they were not those voices during his heyday that were booing him and all no these this is the crew that he was their guy.ight. So it's it's just something that in terms of the acoustics of the audience. I don't wantan to ever discount the, okay, ye, I can hear you guys. I gota, gota, but also that the small voices are their voices Um So I just on record did I'm interested in I wanted I'm glad you say, so you would be interested in doing another match. Oh my gosh. yeah I also have to tell you this. Yeah because you said it a bunch and you're again filled with the room. And I think I have the right to tell you this as WWE Champion. I think WWE loves you So I if don't worry about you can give them all you can do all the things for WWE. They love you. WWE has always loved you and you know the whole roster does. I hope you know that. Well, you know what? I've never but Be I watch all the TVs, I feel like I'm not I'm old school but not like old school because A lot of the guys they don't see how wrestling changeed. Yeah, but I do. because it's just I mean, you gott to change and everything. Look at, Look how athletic all the people I love watching NXT, you know? It's like a set about Sol Ruko. She reminds me of Jeron Evans because of his acroombatic stuff Yeah. But Charlotte Flair, you know? And I'm glad you brought up Ethan Page too.. Well, Ethan, here's Ethans thing a friend. he doesn't act like it. Listen. Ethan's an new us. Yeah You know, when Musassa he's got a lot of m, I love the m. you know, me and the Mus did our first tour together when he came off that TV show. We Orlando, Florida. We did the first little autograph thing together promoting the show. I still got that picture, by the way, but I love the Miss. Mz can change. He can do any kind of character mad at me right now. Why? Bea I asked him last week. I said, when's Gladiators come out? It's already out and. Yeah, I wasn't a good friend. So I've been overly promoting it on my social But But he can fit in any, but he can fit in anything and that's why I thing about Pch. He could fit into anything anything. He's got a great he could talk great facial expressions and and and so and Ricky Saints, you know, it's hard for me to get used to that name though, you know, after he came over, but I know you got to do it on that. But he's got some both those guys seem to have a little bit more experience than ever. I think they've been around a little bit longer They The way they get in the ring, the way they work, the way they do the audience and everything. And I've done a couple of things for Ricky at WrestleMania the last two years. and I said, I feel like I'm managing you because we do they have us up doing the autograph when y'all wreling, we're up in the boosts with the people that pay the money for the special boosts. Yeah. That's when Jimmy Whart comes, Hey, how you doing? You're Uber drivers here. Hey, you know So So we're all up. We have so much fun doing it though but they're all great. Oh the all location team. no, but it's be hard. It takes everybody I did a pod for on location. those are the best fans. I love it. It's all great. they tell you, they're just so cool. you know, it's all good. But I've had so much fun doing this my whole life, you know? I feel like like I love music, but still, this is always my first love.. It was just crazy that I because of Dave Wolf, I got to do a lot of the songs, you know? Oh my go. it's fun doing them I've never seen this demeanor with you before because you know when I see your interviews it's always they've got you so tense every time you come to the ring. So even though you go, is anything you want to talk about then all of a sudden they goes,, you know, but is great the way you do it, but I'm like, I've never seen him so laid back. It's awesome. Gotta be. I mean You know what? this is great though. The plight of a baby face though is, I just get like getting beat up every week. And then if you get to the big peal and then you're talking about beating that guy up, you know, Michael Hayes even brought it up last week. He's like, we Leave you laying a lot, don't we? I'm like, yes Yeah, I wouldn't mind, you know, like, but hey Big news, WW and sports fans, the world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest is making its return to New York City. Fanatics is bringing you closer to the league, teams, superstars and athletes you love across four action packed days in July. Meet your favorite WW superstars, get your hands on exclusive merch and interact with the biggest names in sports Tickets are on sale now and fans of the podcast can use code Cody Tin at checkout for ten percent discount. Head to fanaticsfest dot com to get your tickets today You talked about potentially gas in the tank, managing one more time Maybe more than one more time Who on our roster appeals to you and who do you think would fit Wo, you know what? Everybody is so cool and so, you know, they wouldn't be up there number one if WW weren't ready for them. And Sean Michaels has everybody ready before they get there. Trust me on that. So it'd really be hard for me to really fit into anything. I'd have to look and see at the the agents or the promoters or whoever's behind the scenes to put me with somebody if it ever happened that I would really fit in with becausecause they're with product seven days a week and only watching three times a week.. And until you got a paper viewer, you know. So I watch it on Mondays and of course Tuesdays, and of course the Friday night shows. so But u You know, like I said before, I just, like I still got a little gas left in the tank. So do you think you'd fit with me Listen, I think you're doing so good right now. I'd be the one to come in that if you start if the t shirts started not selling, the radies went now the scholarship would be over. Jimmy Hart, you're out of your brother. So please. Now you've always been great. you know, I followed your career with the other company too. you know I tried to get you to walk me into the ring ring of honor. I know you did. You werere talking. I know it. But I was in Europe but that's I told you that though. I said, man, I'd love to do it, but I'm over here and that would have been a big thrill You know But you know what? no matter where you've gone, you've always landed on your feet. You've been mean, I mean, you know it more than anything, but I just the way you groom yourself, the way you look, the way you talk, the way you speak And that's why all these kids and everywhere I go and adults too, you know, when I'm out doing autographs and doing stuff, I've always watched the merchandise. I watch everything, what they're buying. and who they talk about and what, you know, and it's I've always done that. Speaking of merch, you'll probably see this as you doing the autographs and all the things You're someone who's very similar energy and is Dan Hausen. Oh, I love Dan Hausen. Listen it's a phenomenon. Listen at this When I saw him, I saw him about sixix months ago before I saw I met WrestleMania And I'd always tell him, I said, Dan howouse them Ask him this to you know. How it Dan House? Let me tell you something? with the merchandise you have now. if you can ever get in WWE I'm telling you, o my gosh, bring in the armored truck to put that money in. I said I said, I love this and everything. And so And I saw him when I saw him rec ofe I told him I said, remember me tell him? He goes, Yeahah, you did. And he goes, He goes, Well I'm here. And I said, Okay, bringing the armored truck. SOB is the safe shirt to buy because If you buy a Roman shirt, you're drawing a line in the sand. If you buy a punk shirt, you're drawing a line of sand. you buy a Cody shirt, you you're picking as side Did you buy a Dan house insirt You're good. The whole everyone you're against and for everyone. It's just just a very smart And what you told them was one hundred percent true because the group outside of WWB that being one hour tees and Ryan wonderful guys. when they lost Anaen, that was a That was a sad moment. There was a kind of a retirement of he really filled that block and now somebody else will have to take that mantle and he's here doing it. You weren't wrong. Well you know what? Years before y'all had seen Centino Morevea Do doing that And then our truth. And so Dan Housen fits right in. You know, the other class is graduating slowly but surely. And so you got a new class coming in. That's Dan Housen. So I love him. I love him. When I saw him at WrestleMania, we talked and everything else And he's just he he's a good dude. And he really is a good guy. you do well in the podcast You think you do well on the podcast? If you do thirty minutes of it. Yeah, it might be very sh. All right As long as you don't put the curse on you. Yeah, no, you can't get cursed. You don't, please don' curse my megaphone. Please don't curse my megaphone. I want it to still work.. Which by the way, listen. I've got to tell you this This is a special megaphone. At least to me, it is. because on here it's got almost all the guysy we couldn't get everybody on it, but almost over twenty of something of the people that I got to manage when I had my little run in WWE, you know and a couple of people you know, that I had in Memphis like Jerry Laud and Andy Coppin But I know you've got a great charity And last year Jason Aldine call me. countountry music singer No, you're familiar with him. He called me and he said that his wife had a charity. for abuse women, and he wanted to know what I send him something that they could auction off Well, I sent it to him up in Nashvield and Kid Rock of all people bought a Jimmy Hart meegaphone that I said