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America Before 250

Jun 22, 202624 min
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In this episode of What Next, host Lizzie O’Leary sits down with journalist and Cherokee Nation citizen Rebecca Nagel to discuss her podcast series First America. The conversation challenges the conventional historical narrative leading up to America’s 250th anniversary. Nagel argues that Native people have been systematically written out of the country’s founding story, despite the fact that early American identity was built partly through the appropriation of indigenous imagery, such as colonists dressing as Mohawks during the Boston Tea Party. The discussion highlights how the Declaration of Independence, often viewed solely as a beacon of Enlightenment ideals, includes a list of grievances that concludes with the demonization of Native people as a justification for land seizure and expansion. Nagel reveals a compelling insight: the mechanisms the U.S. government developed to dispossess and govern indigenous populations—including detention and the use of concentration camps—created a structural blueprint for authoritarianism that has since been applied to other groups throughout American history. The episode emphasizes that a true understanding of American governance requires acknowledging this history, suggesting that the nation has never undergone a formal reckoning with these foundational sins.

Updated Jun 29, 2026

About This Episode

It has been 250 years and America still doesn’t know how to talk about the genocide of indigenous peoples that kicked the whole thing off.


Guest: Rebecca Nagle, host of Pushkin’s First America podcast, Crooked's This Land podcast, and author of “By The Fire We Carry: The Generation-Long Fight for Justice on Native Land”.


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