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Weeren more, at joincrowdheealth. com That's join C crowd Health . com Oh, welcome in everybody. Welcome in to WWE now. Welcome to the clash in Italy preview show. I cannot wait to break down this card that is very quickly become an absolutely loaded five match card I am Sam Roberts, of course, with me, the one and only Meghgan Morant and Meghgan. We are not breaking these five matches down alone. No, we couldn't. No, we couldn't. We don't have the ability big matches. Huge Huge matches. so we needed somebody big, the biggest analyst that we could possibly find, ladies and gentlemen, joining us, of course Biggie There he is in all of his glory. Welcome to WWE now Biggie and I mean, As you look att this card, as you look at what we've got in front of us Clash in Italy Do you remember a five match show that from top to bottom was more loaded than this one Ooh, that's a tough one. Look, we got a lot of future Hall of Famers. we have former world champions, future world Champions This might be the most stacked just with Star Power alone I would agree. I would agree. Let's start it. Let's start running through these matches. Let's start talking about what we've got in front of us because I think we've got a lot to talk about with all of them. And you talk about future Former world champions. What about the fact that both the WWE Championship and the world heavyweight championship will be on the line at clash in Italy. And what about the fact? that Roman Reigns is walking into Italy. The world heavyweight Champion And he is defending against Jacob Fetu and this is not just a rematch. this, my friend is tribal combat, Megan. when you find out that it is tribal comombat that Jacob and Roman are squaring off in with the worldor heavyweight Championship on the line Who do you start leaning more towards in thinking This is the guy that's walking out with the title rightight now based on everything that we've seen. Fu Jacob Fatu has gotten the better of Roman reigns ever since backlash, reallyally? And yes, I know that Roman won that match at backlash, but who are we talking about after and backlash. We were talking about the Samoan werewolf, Jacob Fatu and how he decimated Roman reigns and Jacob wasn't done. He took his entire family out on Monday night Rw a couple weeks ago going through the barricade and he hasn't backed down since Yeah, but but but but This is tribal combat. It changes Every. I mean, this is not like when when this whole started Jacob shows up and he says I don't want to be the tribal chief, but I want everything that you have. And this has evolved to a place were the only way Both parties can get to the spot that they want to get to is that tribal chief title has to be on the line. the only way that Roman can get acknowledged. by Jacob Fatu is beating him in tribal combat. I mean E I know Roman picturing Roman losing the worldorld Heavyweight Championship this quickly, that seems far fetched, but the idea that he would drop that title of tribal chief to Jacob Fatu. To me, that feels even more insane. And can you imagine if Jacob Fought too is able to make WWE in his image? If he is the one who is now the tone setter, who is the one who calls the shots, Wh is the one who is at the very top of the pyramid? I think the landscape of WWE completely changes if Jacob can beat Roman Reigns. And to your point, look, I understand. I think Jacob is easily the most dangerous threat that Roman has had Probably in years But man, we're talking about Roman reigns here. It's very difficult for me to imagine him losing the title in Italy. But if anyone can do it, it is this version of Jacob Fatu who has proven that rules don't matter. referees aren't going to stop him. He is going to go to any and every length to get that position that he craves what about the cheers and the booze of it all the good guys and the bad guys? Traditionally, you just describe Jacob Fett to as a guy who doesn't care about the rules as a guy who referees aren't going to stop him. right? This should be In any scenario where the worldld Heavyweight title is on the line, Jacob Fet two should be the quote unquote bad guy here and Roman Reign should be the good guy here But I watched on Monday Night Rw. Roman Reigns could not take out Jacob Fatu by himself. No. He needed the Uos to help And you know for me to be pointing it out, it has to be true because I do so reluctantly. But not only did it turn into a three on one scenario, but after Roman was done before Jacob was the one that actually challenged him to tribal combat. Roman Reigns looked at Adam Pierce and said, goo ahead and fire him He was ready for Adam Pierce to fire his cousin Do you think Roman reigns walks into this match, more of a villain in the story than Jacob is A couple of weeks ago I wouldn't have said that Roman Reigns could be a villain, but especially after we saw him tell Adam Pierce to fire Jacob Fatu to me. Yeah, but you were saying Jacob Fatu should be fired after backlash. Well I was say that would make you a villain too. and I never saying you should be fired you words in my mouth. I was just pointing out that after his actions at backlash that maybe a suspension could be something that was on the table and you, Sam Roberts called me a narc For even suggesting that Jacob Platoo should be suspended. That was some real front of the bus behavior on your part, Megha Moran. E, what do you think Look, I don't believe that Jacob should be suspended. But the question of who' the villain is going in. lookook, I think we have we've seen some crowds who are bloodthirsty. and if you're looking for blood, Jacob is going to bring that. If you want some mayhem, he is the one to deliver that I think that that Roman is always going to be adored. He is always going to be we're going to see a lot of ones up in the air. But when it comes time for that match, I think a lot of the crowd is going to be behind Jacob Fat two because he is going to bring something chaotic. You don't you don't know. like this With this match and just understanding that really the stipulation kind of allows things to be w wide open You don't know where in the arena this goes, you don't know what kind of weapons and instruments. this thing can really get out of hand very, very quickly Yeah, but also the fact that there are no rules and that it's tribal combat, you know Generally speaking, look, there have been two tribal combat matches U previously, Roman Reigns beat Solo Skoa one on one on the first Monday night Rw on Netflix, But before that He beat Jay U so and in that match, I believe if I remember correctly at that summer slim, Jimmy actually showed up and helped Roman beat Jay. That's all to say. that the Uos are clearly on the side of Roman reigns. and based on the build of this match Any hangu that Roman had about the Us helping him. is no longer a hang upp that he has because we've watched it happen I think you can talk about the mayhem, the weaponry, the violence that Jacob Fatoo is all too familiar with, but at the same time When the rules are off. I think Roman is pretty good at using all of his family members to help him. And I feel like that's back on the table. more so than it has been all year What I think really opens things up is we've seen people come to Roman' aid. I'm still wondering if anyone comes to Jacob's aid as well. know it's a very large family, whether it's the MFTs, whether it's someone we haven't seen in WWE. you know there are a lot of other potentials in play. But we've also seen a Jacob five two who's been able to dispatch of the Uos fairly quickly and look, we're talking about arguably the greatest tag team of all time U O the Mount Rushmore at least of tag teams I'm not sure if and this is a bold statement, but I'm not sure if the Uso iss being involved even matters that much to Jacob. That I think that just speaks to his level of intensity, his level of reckless abandon right now We're seeing a Jacob Fatu who is not willing to relent. I don't know what it's going to take to put this man down, but bring the Usos, br every bring the cousins, bring the aunts, bring the uncles, bring everybody because you're going to need it Yeah I just want Solo to be involved because after R Ruman said Solo couldn't get a cup of coffee delivered to the arena, I was upset by that. I was offended. I thought that was He went too far. Yeah, that was you you were watching that on an iPad, like Michael Jordan. you took that personally. Yeah, Yeah, I get that. Why My solo kitchen strays right now? G on. I get that. I get that. I understand that I mean, listen I think if there was ever You're always looking for those shock moments. in WWE and if there was ever a shock moment. I think Jacob Fatu walking out with the Ulafala and the World Heavaweight Championship would be a shock moment I think at the same time We've also, if we've been watching the product have been made aware that it is a direct real and very potential possibility that we could see this For me I can't I can't see it and maybe that's because I just can't The ramifications of this whole thing, this is what I'm stuck on Right? The ramifications of it. I can't see Jacob Fetu. leading this bloodline and actually being called the tribal chief at the same time I can't see him acknowledging Roman Reigns. I mean, I think this whole thing might implode upon itself by the time it actually hits the ring I can't see Jacob ever being someone to actually takeake the time to acknowledge Roman. but look, and Roman still has a lot of gas in the tank, but his age starts with a four At some point, That torch is going to need to be passed And if there's anyone in the family who can take it by force, even if Roman is not ready to pass it I think Jacob is the one if I look at anyone else along, I look at that bloodline. I look at that family If anyone is set to take what Roman has built. put themselves to the very top of that I think it's Jacob Vadu and I think it's this version of Jacob as well, brringing back the tongue in deeath grip. We thought he was done after Tampa, he said Nope, this doesn't end here. Look, if anyone can do it, we keep saying I can't see Roman lose. I can't see Roman losing and I'm with you. But if there's anyone in the world that can do it, it's Jacob Vadu I would agree with that one hundred percent actually, when we talk about these matches that have a lot of personal ramifications. I know one that Megghgan Morant is very invested in. one that we only found out was happening last Saturday, seven days before or I guess eight days, Clash N Italies on Sunday h But we found out at Saturday night's main event after Becky Lynch I mean, real quickly into the match decided to u get referee Jessica Carr in between herself and Sluka and kind of sabotage the match so that she could leave with the title, I would imagine Uh, the match is made official. After Sol Ruka wins that match by disqualification. We're getting the intercontinental Championship on the line at clash in Italy. Solua versus Becky Lynch Meghgan, you've got to admit there's a big spot. for Soluka Massive spot for Soluka. I still question whether Sol Ruka is actually ready. Oh my God for an intercontinental title match against the greatest female wrestler of all time. and Also Crooked, Jessica Car lived up to her name to a tea at Saturday Night's main event. J explain this to me. Sol Ruka hits the soul snatcher. on Jessica Carr. Jessica Carr got her soul snatched by Soul Ruca. yet somehow some wayay Becky Lynch is one who's disqualified You know, we've seen it all the time in sports, right? Like Brady Res love to see him come and Brady would get a call here or there. But you earn it, right? When you're the greatest at anything, you earn those calls that you get. I would just like to see B Becky Lynch get a call. Here or there. She is the greatest female wrestler of all time, and when all of said is done, I will remember that she had to do it the hard way The be M M I think you forgot a detail though. There's a little detail in how those events transpired. You missed the part where Becky takes Jessica, pulls her in front of Soul to make sure that the Soul snatcher doesn't hit Becky, it hits Jessica Carr. That detail was left out and thus the DQ any reason. I think for once there was like a referee who wasn't like a fool in there that actually understood what had happened. I mean For one For one, Becky Lynch putut her hands on Jessica Carr. Jessica. Second I saw Jessica Car During the entrances, I said, o, we're in trouble. Yeah, I bet you did because Becky Lynch probably needs special officials. If you're a champion, it doesn't matter who the referee is, you're going to win that match. Listen I think the fact that Becky Lynch tried to get a referee involved like five minutes into that match. What are you trying to insinuate that Becky's scared I mean, I needt play it. That's weird that you got so defensive before I even said it. That is why you're scam Roberts. You think she's scared of Solua. Really? I think she was scared of losing the match at Saturday night's main event. And she did lose the match at Saturday Night's main event. and officially made Sl Ruka's main roster record two and one. Or one and two, I suppose. They're just handing out wins over there. No, when yeah one and two. And I here's what I think. I think youre I think you're looking at a new intercontinental champion at cllash in Italy I think that and I think that that this is going to be. I mean, Sul Rua When you look at the history of the Intercontinental Championship It was built for athletes like Sul Ruka who are going to show up and deliver the match Belle the Bell is going to get the audience talking. I remember going back to nineteen ninety one being a little kid sitting there watching Summerers Slam. and Brett Hart versus Mr. Perfect blew my little kid mind To me, it defined what the Incontinental championship was in the men's division. Forever And you can go to Brett, you can go to Seaan, you can go to so many different athletes that made that intercontinental championship what it still is today. And I think Sl Rua is the type of athlete that's going to be able to do that to this title in the women's division. Listen, I agree with everything you're saying about Sl Ruka and her athleticism and what she has been able to do in the ring. She's only been wrestling for four years. There's no question about it She's it. I just don't know if she can beat the greatest female wrestler of all time. It in the intercontinental Championship at clash in Italy Shes got a cheap one over, Becky. cheheap the when it counts The man always delivers. do Do you think that womin was cheap I would not qualify it as she A Becky is the reason the DQ happened. But as far as as what's going to happen at clash, look, I think Sol clearly so physically gifted. I love that the crowd is already behind her. They get the phenomenon that is Sol Rua But the difference is really Becky has been doing this at a high level. I don't know if you guys got to check out the A andE r between Bey my suuper Bowl and Charlotte f course, but I think it gives you a lot of insight into at this level, at the very top This is what the business is It is manipulation, it is mind games, it is finding a way not only to be physically superior to your opponent, but to have that mental edge. And I think Becky has been through it. you When you go to battle with your best friend and you're able to deal with the ups and downs and not just your best friend, but someone who is as accomplished as Charlotte is, one of the greatest women to ever do it When you have been through that storm and you've done it time and time again, you've taken on newcomers, you've taken on legends, you've taken on she has whether Tris he has every essentially every woman of Ne who has stepped foot in a WWE ring that was available since the turn of the century, Becky has essentially been in the ring with and has vanquished. That's the level she's at. and now just knowing that she's willing to pull out any tactic possible, she is willing to use any trick any ref distraction. That is what separates this version of Becky Lynch from the rest of the field is as far as her IQ, she's as sharp as they come. maybe the greatest just from from a wrestling IQ standpoint H her wrestling mind and her ability to be crafty, I think is what I'm not saying Seoul can't get it done in Italy, but that's what Soul is going to have to figure out is how am I one step ahead of the most cunning woman in this industry Let me ask you about that, I and based on not only your experience, but watching the experiences, the people that you've shared locker rooms with. Everything you just said about Becky is one hundred percent right. and I watched the rivals A and E special and so much of it had to do with Becky. from the beginning, not necessarily being a chosen one And having to find those opportunities and fight at all costs for those opportunities and then fight at all costs to maintain and keep those opportunities Pint Does a performer develop a risk of having those edges soften at a point Do you get comfortable in that position where you are acknowledged as the greatest to ever do it. you are on these lists of greatest of all time Point Do you lose sight When a new generation comes up and realizes, oh, that's the person That now they're the new Becky. That's the person that I have to take off of that throne I want to make my mark on this on this sport Absolutely. It is very easy. was that Marvin Hagler quote about how difficult it is when you're sleeping in satin sheets to get up and train and to do the work. So for so many talents. She has been on the top at the top of this industry for almost a decade. like with with, you know, she took a break, not really a break. She was raising a child. But beyond that for the most part, this woman has we've seen her at the very top of this industry almost with no breaks The difference is though Becky's different So a lot of other people in a position would be coasting. You would see they don't quite have the same spark. You would see them slow down I see that in Becky Lynch. Every time I turn my TV on and I watch Monday Night Raw I don't see that from Becky Lynch. I don't see someone who is ready to pass the torch down to the next generation. I don't see someone who has softened. I don't see someone who is just there to collect her paycheck I see a very fired up Becky. So I think in many other examples, you would see a more diminished version of a superstar who's been on top for a very long time. I'm sorry, I just don't see that with Becky Lynch. Becky Lynch is the furthest thing from complacent right now. And mean, with all that Becky's done and I know I joke around a lot, but I do believe that we're seeing some of Becky's best matches and Becky's best work right now. I don't realize you're joking most of the time, people laugh at jokes. The number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest returns to the Javit Center in New York City from july sixteenth through the nineteenth, twenty twenty six. It is a must attend for WWE fans. You'll be able to meet your favorite superstars and enjoy surprise appearances all weekend long new superstars Jest added for Fanatics Fest include Oba Femi, AJ Styles and Trick Williams, Photo and autographs for these superstars will be available for purchase on Friday may twenty ninth. Keep may twenty ninth circled on your calendars because additional auto and photo opportunities will be added for all superstars including suuperstars that are currently sold out Fanatics Fest genereneral admission and photo opportunity tickets are on sale now at Fanatics Fest And you talk about championships being up for grabs and you talk about huge rematches. How about this one Jade Cargill gets a shot at getting her championship back at cllash in Italy, Rhea Ripley. defefends against Jade Cargill. and Megan, you talked about Becky being different, Becky being non complacent. I agree with all of that When you talk about athletes who are different who are special, who are just above line that break through those ceilings Rria Ripley is that person This is Ra Ripley's first Bing. match since becoming WWE womomen's champion once again Is this a different Ra Ripley? than we're used to seeing. I I think so, right? Because leading into WrestleMania, I think there was just this urge and this desire from all of the fans to see Rha Ripley back as a singles competitor. We loved the teaming up with EO Sky. We loved what Rio was able to do in the tag division, but Rio with a championship, Ro With the WWE womomen's Championship is something that we've been waiting for for a while. And I talked about this heading into WrestleMania. I wanted to see Ra develop that edge And I think Jade has brought her to that point where we're going to see that in Italy I wonder when you talk about developing that edge, I think that clash in Italy becomes a good showcase to find out If she has developed that edge, because I think Jade Cargill has developed that edge. I think I think Jade Cargill getting met with some real adversity seems to have brought out this other side. I think I think Jade Cargill losing the championship hearing people doubting her whether she's the star that she thinks she is or not. It feels like not only in interviews, but when you see her in the ring, there's this there's this aggressive streak that has developed in Jade Cargo, where she's kind of unapologetic about the spot that she's in in professional wrestling and knowing that she too is one of those special few performers. Uh, do you think that losing The championship may have actually sharpened that edge of Jade Cargo I do. I think and not saying that Jade was complacent, but I think when you' you almost have this aura of invincibility and it's like I don't even know if Jade understood she could lose for the longest time. It's like not something that even crossed her mind But then having Rhea beat her for her world Championship I think now she has that hunger. I see that hunger again. you know, for me, I think there's so many interesting factors here is look If we're just seeing these two women, I think as far as physicality is concerned It's pretty much aash. We're two absolute specimens. but the real difference is Rhea has been doing this for a very long time. She has faced so many of the best women in the world She's been at the very top for a long time. So the experience dge definitely goes to Rhea. But what I think is the interesting factor is I would be shocked if we don't see Be fab if we don't see meachin, But what we saw at Saturday night's main event was we saw a well oiled machine Those three are clicking And and they can go. I was really impressed with what Michin did, B Fabl look great. they are really clicking. And now if we're looking at the other side of things Do we see Charlotte? Do we see Alexa? Be it doesn't seem like they're Simes it seems like they're on the same page. Other times not. So I think if that if it comes down to the outside players and their involvement I think Rhea's championship is in real jeopardy because when I look on one side on teeam Jade They are they are ready. and I think they know what the mission is, they know what the goal is n the other side of things, you have Charlotte who still, I'm sure wants to get back to that world Championship. you have Alexa who is also in the middle of things. You don't see three women who are on the same page. So if it comes to outside interference and involvement, if you're a RA fan, I'm concerned Yeah, I think too, when you talk about those those teams, when you talk about those outside people Number one, I would imagine and E you would know this It's difficult to maintain friendships when you're the champion because you've got a thing that by definition, everybody in that locker room at some level wants. On the other side of that coin, you've got people like BFab and Mich Chin who specifically said when asked, why are you all of a sudden teaming with Jade Cargo is going back to before WrestleMania They said we've been looking for our opportunity. and they've been pretty clear and in the open about the fact that they've been looking for their opportunity on a very crowded women's roster. And they realize that associating with Jade Cargo elevates their stock But I think that that statement is really only true when Jade Cargill is champion So while Charlotte and Alexa I don't know may have problems with Jade It think Charlotte and Alexa are better off if Rhea is champion, but I do think that BFab and M Chin are better off if Jade Cargill is the WWE Wen's champion. could not agree more and not because it's this isn't a shot at their ability, but how often do you see BFab or Michin on these PLEs before they decided to team? Jade That wasn't really a thing. So you see the opportunities. you see them at Saturday Night's Main event. You see that they have elevated because of it. And I think they understand right now there's value in being a role player, you know, But on the other side of things, its if we're looking at the like the old school bulls, it's you see Rhea, you see Charlotte and I see two people trying to be Michael Jordan on the other side we have We have someone who who is good being Steve Kerr. We have Tony Cu coach and they make their Michael Jordan. they elevate Jade's game. So I think right now they're just all, they're all really humming they know their roles and they're satisfied in those roles and they've all benefited because of it. but I think When you're looking at Charlotte, even Alexa, another multi time former world champion, you have a lot of alphas who I think are gunning for the same thing. Teamwork is really about trust. Can Rhea go into clash in Italy trusting that her partners will have her back, that they're there for the right reasons? I think Jay can go in with that same trust. I don't know if Rhea can Look, you have three of the best singles competitors in women's wrestling history. Nothing about Rhea Ripley, Charlotte Player or Alexa Bliz says roole player. That's a difference The only role they're going to play is top, top, tippity, tippity top exactly. And I think Ria Ripley to develop that thing, which you know that she has which is being able to short I can coexist with people, but ultimately, whatever the job is, I can do it completely by myself. I think that's what ends up separate. I mean, you look at like a Cody Rhodes for example. Cody Rhodes has lost a lot of friends during the time that he's been champion, but what makes him Cody is the fact that even when nobody else is around, he can get the job done Same with Roman Reigns, Charlotte Flair has been in that position. Becky Lynch has been in that position. And I think that that is the position that Rhea Ripley needs to be in. She needs to get the conversation away from what's going on around this scene and realize that that or make people realize that no matter who your friends are That's Rheia Ripley and it doesn't matter. And I think that Ria has been in that spot before I'm just interested to find out If she can get back into that spot And I guess that's one of the things that we'll find out on Sunday. You know, clash in Italy is bringing WWE spectacle to the heart Tarino with one of the boldest and most visually ambitious slam releases ever created, inspired by the grandeur, fashion, art arrchitecture and energy of Italy this box It features an unforgettable lineup of cards such as Renaissance Base, Marble Signature, postcards from Italy, grapplers of Wath And much more. Clash in Italy blends WWE intensity with timeless European style for a truly one of a kind collecting experience. Start collecting these cards and more with WWE sllam by tops Now. And I've got to ask you, okay, I want to I want to pull up this tweet that I saw from triple H who posted the match graphic. and said Possibly the most anticipated rematch ever Ober. versus Lesnar Tw Clash. in Italy E, Meghgan and I were able to be here on raw recap right after Brock Lesnar returned to the WWE thirty days after he had left his boots in the ring and all of us thought he was gone for good. What before we even get into the rematch, what did you make a week ago When Lesnar showed up out of nowhere and attacked Obafemi before the open challenge match. I I was shocked. We were all there at WrestleMania and we thought is done. This is that we were all we were shocked then He put his boots down. We all saw it. We thought this was it He When you're around this business, it's hard to be thoroughly surprised I was thoroughly surprised to see Brock return. to lay waste to Oa. And it seemed after WrestleMania that Oba was just truly on a rocket ship And he was kind of biting his time until he was going to hold that world championship. It felt very inevitable But I did not think that he was still going to have to deal with the Brock Lesnner problem and Brock Lesnner is indeed that he is a problem. It is hard for me as much as I thought I'm not expecting Oba to take an L the rest of the year It's difficult for me to think that this version of Brock after coming back, after having fooled us all I think that Brock Lesnar is going to come in his most focused version. He has something to prove to be manhandled the way he was the show of shows B this this newcomer. O who does that to Brock? Nobody does that to Brock. Brock has something to prove. If he loses again in Italy Don't even come back. just bu house over there. We're good. We Thank you for your services. You're a legend and thank you so much. I'm sure there's a lovely ranch out there you can purchase. But I think Brock is going to enter that match with that mindset of This match Nes to be mine. I have to win this. Yeah. You're going to have to get an airline credit for the flight home because you're not going to need it. You might well have just booked one way. I mean, to that point Maggan, I think he is right. I don't think Brock Lesnar had what I described and what a lot of fans described as a perfect wrestling retirement at WrestleMania. I don't think that Brock Lesnar immediately came back So he could get on an international flight to Italy and lose again to Ober Fami We also saw when Brock returned. for the first time It was Brock's full onslaught against Oba Femi. Oba Femi took four F fives in a row. It was the first time From the road to WrestleMania and even including the match at WrestleMania that Oba Femi was completely left laying and Brock Lesnar had completely physically bested Oa Do you think the roles have reversed here in the sense that going into WrestleMania Oba was that unknown that maybe Brock underestimated. Oba was the one responding to a Brock Lesnar open challenge Now that Brock Lesnar is very familiar with over Femmi. Now that Brock Lesnar is the one responding to Oba's open challenge Do you think those roles reverse that much? They absolutely reverse because this is the first time now that we're seeing Brock Lesnar's back against the wall. firstirst time in a very long time that Brock Lesnar's back is completely against the wall. Oba had something to prove going into WrestleMania. Yes, we saw Saturday night's main event. Yes, we saw him in the ring with Cody Rhodes and we saw Drew McIntyre get involved and yes, we saw all of the incredible things he did NXT. But when you're at the show of shows, when you're in the ring with someone like Brock Lesnar and all of the things that he has accomplished in WWE, you absolutely have to step up to the plate. You absolutely have something to prove. And Oba beat him so bad That Brock Lesnar retired. I don't know if we've ever seen a Brock Lesnar with a chip on his shoulder this size of something to prove and Oba Femi. W to be fair, Brock has some of the biggest shoulders that you've ever seen. Mass a chip just to even be noticed. But I'm really would have to be huge. Listen, Brock Lesnar told us the other week, he doesn't give enough No he has said that before He has and I believe him I believe him. I mean, I mean, Paul Heayman seems very confident about this whole thing as well. Mm A lot has been made about Obathemy and a lot of a lot of us. have taken to fantasy booking the rest of the year, the rest of the, whatever it is. We all we all have an idea of how Oba Femi should be portrayed you know, there are comparisons made to Hulk Hogan in eighty five and Oaania running wild. There comparisons made to Goldberg and Oa Femi going on an undefeated street like you've never seen before. If Oh but Sammy were to lose to Brock Lesnar on Sunday night Does this knock Obafemi way back. Does this stop Obberfemi's momentum king puts him at the back of the line. I don't think it completely resets him. Look, there's no shame in losing to Brock Lesnar. We If you've been in the ring with Brock, we've all lost to Brock. It's inevitable, right. But what I'm really intrigued to see though is is how if Oba is rattled You know, it's very easy to be the hammer. Can you be the nail if you're the guy who is always leading the charge, if you're the guy who is always decimating people and then like I'm sure his confidence after beating Brock the way he did at WrestleMania Gyt to be Sky highigh, thinking he's invincible. Now how do you handle things If you're left laying and God forbid, if if he loses at clash in Italy, I think in many ways, I would love to see. hopefully it means we get a rubber match. Hopefully it means that we get to see a third possibly at Summer sllam in Brock, you know, home state hometown of Minnesota. I think that's really intriguing. I think if Oba is able to win in Italy, it truly cements him as the guy. Everything you thought about him, everything, all the plans,t don't cancel them. They're still on. They' like put him straight in the main event, give world title opportunities, all of that. But if he does lose in Italy, there's going to be a bit of a reset Until he gets over this hump Dack think he can get to all his other goals. So this is really the first big important step and you know, it's very rare to be a newcomer to the main roster first test that is this steep. have a mountain to climb you know, its usually you kind of work your way up, their midcard titles and start it's like one of the greatest of all time right away. And to manage to beat him and to have to do it again, that's one of the toughest asks we've ever asked for someone who is only less than a year on the main roster Yeah. I mean, and that's I think what makes this rematch so incredible is that the same way We're sitting here going, we can't really call it with Jacob and Roman because of what the stipulation is. Here, you're looking at simply a one on one match no title, no stip. It's just Brock versus Oa Femi. But there is so much on the line in this match that we have only building for a week and a half. that on one end Brock loses He's got to be sipping cappuccinos and move to Italy O the other end, if Oba loses There's a full reset and everything that we knew about O but kind of shifts. like everything is different after this match. the same way everything is different after Jacob and Roman. And I would argue everything is different after the match that we'll talk about in a moment. but first, I do want to remind everybody that tops now captures major milestones and viral moments from the biggest events. 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I go, of course not Of course not, we're on that Cie run right now You asked me the same Sam Do you think Gunther after retiring John Cena and then retiring AJ Styles and then beating Seth Rollins at WrestleMania. Do you think he's going to take his first loss beating John Cena clash in Italy. I'd say, of course not. No, that wouldn't happen with Gunther yet. And here we are with the WWE Championship on the line. I think that this is even more of a something's gott to give scenario than people are realizing on the surface I think for when you're talking about superstars and you're talking about talent as a broadcaster, oftentimes I don't think that stats and numbers are really things that I like to pull from often, except for Gunther Like give me those gunther stats. Oh yeah, what? six hundred and sixty six consecutive days holding this title. his record is his win percentage is that high. Yeah, the stats with this guy, they tell so much of the story He just doesn't lose. It's so rare that he loses that we can kind of count them on one hand the level he's at That's the level of greatness that he has established So I think Cody, to me, is going into this match as the underdog Wow, Gunther, his focus I think his his dedication right now to getting back to being a world champion. If I'm a Cody fan, I am very, very concerned because this version of Gunther I think is someone who in many ways has kind of been has not been highlighted in the same way we saw maybe a year or two ago. I think Gunther is someone who is always looking to be the face of the brand he's on again, to be the one who closes shows again, to get back to that spot that he's worked so hard to cultivate. This is a tough Hough test for Cody to get past If anyone can do it, it's Cody, but also for me, as far as match quality, this is the one I'm circling. This is going to be my match of the night Bell the Belle. I think this one is truly going to deliver. But you know, Cody is going to leave win lose or draw. He's going to leave this match with lumps all over his chest, all over his body. He's going to be battered and bruised Gutther is absolutely going to bring it to him. If Cody iss able to win, he's going to survive. That's how I view it is Cody a win is surviving for him Ey to find hard to beat. I think that that catchphrase applies specifically to this match and and to ease point, Meghgan We've talked about this before other winning the WWE Championship at Clash in Italy irritate a lot of people. There are a lot of people that s there go Oh with this Gunther. No, beats this guy. beats that guy. Why would Gunther be the guy to retire Johny? Why would Gunther be the one to retire AJ Styles? How is Seth Rollins losing to Gunther and now You sit here And halfway through the year, Gunther could potentially be the WWE champion A lot of people would be irritated by it And I feel like That's actually points towards Gunther potentially winning. But it's Gunter. exact we always say whenever Gunter's in a situation like the situation he's in right now where he's going after the WWE championship. I think Gunter has is operating at this level where we knew after he retired John Cena When is he next going to set his eyes on a world championship in WWE? I didn't see it happening with Cody Rhodes, but because Paul Heyman granted this favor and got the match made, this is how we get to this situation. And I do have to say to Cody's credit really ever since winning that championship back. We've seen another edgy another layer to Cody Rhodes, I should say. We've seen him go to places in the ring in order figure out a way to win and make decisions that Cody wasn't making before. Agressive ones. aggressive decisions. And I think Cody is going to need that when it comes toer in Italy. I I would say that that's right. And I think you're right. Cody has looked for those pockets that generally he wouldn't have looked for before. He learned. I think Cody is a guy who learns from every mistake that he makes I also think that when you look at Cody Rhodes, there's one thing that that guy loves doing and that's conquering a monster I mean, Cody is is an old school wrestling guy where the good guy goes in there And he goes against a foe that no man could conquer and where there's a will, there's a way. he figures it out and Cody is the one guy that can tame the the monster. He is the David that is constantly hitting Goliath with those slingshots until he finally catches him in the eyeball. I think that's who Cody is in a nutshell and I feel like if there was ever a time for Cody to have one of those moments, one of those conquering the beast for lack of a better term because there already is a beast on this card Moments It would be beating Gunther. by the way in Europe, it's a different, it's a different thing When Gunther's in Europe. We've seen Gunther at other clash PEs, we've seen Gunther in big matches in Europe and I feel like the Welts are even higher