Rebirth and Final Thoughts

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Do my news journalist friends out there, That is a newsline. Mel has sustained an injury from holding her face on last one laughing. Yes. I'm gonna let someone else write that one out. But I love that you're going to have a draw T T. It's called a TMJ. Is it? Yes. I don't know what it stands for, but it's a TMJ.oo much jraw. Exactly Wellll hello there D deathlings. I'm Mel Gerichch, and this is the show where celebrities joyfully design their own deaths Welcome to It Today's guest is a broadcasting powerhouse She's a woman who's helmed women's hour sparred with politicians on newsnight taken live callers from zero to emotional breakthrough in under four minutes She's the nation's favorite interrogator, part journalist, part therapist humuman lie detector So I'm not going to lie. I'm forming a light sheen of sweat on my brow as I prepare to ask questions to the top question asker herself It's the fearless fabulous D it I think they added in some extra harmonies for you, Hold Barnet. Good because I can't sing. Can you not s? No? deep voice from the age of five. It's a great voice. No No melody. What about setettling you in the choir. in a sort of barritone, a rich baritone. I could try and wrap Maybe Anything they had to, I was in a musical, I don't know why I'm telling you this. It feels like a confessioned booth. It those kind of. I was in a musical when I was twelve. I played golder and Fiddlers on the roof Fiddler on the roof the wife Because I was the only twelve year old who understood sarcasm at her husband at that age somehow Brilliant But they had to sub in a girl who could sing from the side of the stage for my singing parts while I mimed. So that's how good my acting was about how bad my singing was. And the other thing to tell you M I've never told anyone else is I joined a choir when my first child was born called Singing Mummas. I was so desperate to get out of the house and have community. somethingomet but I just med the whole way through that as well singing mamas. Is it still going? Yes, I think it is and they're a great local group and I'm really sorry that I pretended to sing, but my son really liked looking up all these amazing women. But did they bust you that you were m? My woman did, yes. And she grasped? No, she was like I don't know why you here, but okay I sorry I need it. Oh, that's really good. So so good. Golder is one of the best characters in the musical theatre canon. And I'm not into musicals, but that was a great It' a I was really lucky actually I was taken to sea No. Yeah, it was in it must have been in the eighties Godmother took me and it was Ruddy Toppple at the palladium in I would have Oh that song, Do you love me? I can't obviously reply in the song Do I what? I just reply with the voice. That's good. The sarcastic. I'm your wife. Of course. It's so good. After twenty five years, I've milked your whatever. I've washed your something.'t any of you children After twenty five years. Anyway, let's not do this. Do you love me That's so good You're a fool, I know Can I just say really good to kick off the pod with a bit of musical fith That's the first time it's happened and it is everything. And it's a perfect time to go away to these people who want to send me something Deathlings. Do buy their products, but think about it first. Cing up I was still above her as I went to hug her and I put my whole hand in her mouth at literally still to this day. I went to hug her. Four my fingers Honest Charlie, I've just popped back from what feels like an eternity of admin. Classic. What's on the to do list? Oh, mounting a celestial bookshelf, sorting my earthly storage unit and emotionally processing a flat pack. Malt, it sounds like you need Task Rbbit. Task rabbit Is that a celestial creature? Even better. 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Americans United, supporting everyone's right to live as they choose so long as they don't harm others. Learn more at au dot org slash betterter Now, listen, we're gonna move on to this, please. Can I say that for your musical theatre alone gates should be open. Thank you. genuinely Who would be your gatekeeper if there were to be a gatekeeper at the end of life Is there a gatekeeper? Oh no. I mean, I think it's quite interesting when you so I am not religious. This is always wrongly reported because there's confusion around I'm Jewish. You have to belong to a certain. one of the synagogues and I grew up and I've said this publicly, and it gets misreported is part of a member of the Orthodox synagogue. But that doesn't mean you are remotely Orthodox necessarily. For some people it does But why I'm bringing that up is You know, you go to Sunday school in my case, which my son is being subjected to at the moment Well, he to be fair comes out happy but goes in going it's a Sunday. But you know, there is a bomit's for ahead. We' at that level and we're culturally Jewish, very much so. I would like to learn more again because what I was trying to say is, I don't know about anyone else, but if you've had any religious education, I think it freezes in time where you had it what you thought. So if you just leave it at the age of twelve Oh I did do the GCSE at fifteen sixteen, but that wasn't a religious education, that was more exploring different faiths and theologies I still think of God as having a big beard sitting on a cloud. It's the most juvenile or whatever the thing I was shown. It doesn't update. And obviously you then have different understandings of how you can feel in the world and what you might be. The stories we tell ourselves and how powerful they are. But I'd like an update, please on end of life. Now I'm here. Who's there? What's happening? Listen. As ever the journalist with too many questions really wanting it nailed down. Yeah. so I want to get in there and I want to figure out if everyone should be Should be there. Yeah, you know get a bit of chat going. And I think I'm pretty good at chat. I'm a good listener. You're an incredible chatter slash chter Both know both of those things I like the idea of going in and interrogating, working the room. Yeah, seeeeing if it's a place you want to be first up. And I love the idea that you assume that you will just go in. I think you'll have a pass There'll be some kind of lanyyard, Emma, with your name on it, which will allow you access all areas. And no one is going to prevent that. I always take a lanyard off immediately. I don't like name badges and I can't eat off a tray because it makes me think I'm back in school. So these are just some of the restrictions I like to get rid of. but I like the idea that there's a pass. This is so good. I mean, listen, we don't know yet if you're going to go heavenwards, but I'm sure I'm pretty sure I've got a good idea that you will be, but let's see. But Snackage in heaven, presumably has got to be prerecise for you. savory. Well no the precision has only come because of the hours. Yeah. Okay. Everything at that time is quite set. If you get you, I get up at three hundred and twenty one. The one minute makes me feel like I've won against the machine. I've been doing it since I was a kid. It's so weird Yeah, I used to six hundredz one when I was a kid when I first had to, you know got an alarm clock and I had to get up early, so I didn't live near our school. I've been doing it for years. so I don't know what that says about me. Nothing else in my life is like that. I just have this one thing. I like odd numbers. and then I it's like, you know, out of the thing, hair is done from the night before and then into makeup You're like Mary Berry. she often sleeps with the hairy gets up in the morning and the hair do is. Yeah my hair I don't wash my hair I wash my hair every six days. You've got great hair. It's a lot of dry shampoo. oat based. Oh nice. Yeah. So yeah, everything isduced And then the food is packed the Iight fall but the eggs are got out of the fridge just as I leave So I've never been like this before, but now it's militant. You still have to be. Yeah. Bea you don't want to be hungry on her? No And the stuff that you're dealing with, you know, your brain needs to be fed, doesn't it? Yes, Every needs to be. Everything needs to be Amazing. Now talk of savourory, this leads us very nicely onto this last This is your last supppper. You can go Absolutely ing you can go What's it going to be? I am known as a very good lunch I love an epic lunch. I started in journalism Just before the crash, the recession that was when I was coming into the world of work is sort of two thousand six, seven And they were the last heydays of Soo, I'm told, because I joined a business magazine that covered the media industry and we would sometimes lunch into dinner. and I'd be having to go to the Loo and write down any titbits I was getting for news. I was trying to be a news jour, didn't know how to do it One time my pen ran out, I ran a tpp I wrote it on my leg an eyeliner. and you'd have to drink to keep up with like the Adland men as I was sort of covering at the time. And it was epic. and I got this huge, I'm from Manchester and I'd moved to London and I genuinely learnt my way around London a bit through restaurants. So that was a great delight Great way to start. And so the reason I I can't quite believe how militent one part of my days had to become is because I would not be like that. normally. So a final supper, a last supper would Start with some garlic snails and the best French spagghettte and salted butter. Come on. And we're starting presumably about midday. I mean this is gonna be a long. I hope so. This is gonna be a long kind of nauy nineties est. I would like that. Lunch. so good. And I would then move on to some chippy chips, salt and vinegar, like fat ones, none of the skinny stuff Yeah I'd have a really great green salad and a big lobster with garlic butter. There's a lot of garlic going on If we went a different way, it could be sushi, but I feel it should be warm because. Yeah, yeah. With your garlic snail Lovely I found I've only had them a few times. For me, it's kind of elastic band but with lots of garlic What you feel the texture? Yeah. I its bit more like mushrooms, a little button mushrooms. Yeah. I think you've had a dodgey one. Maybe I had a dodge one. I don't know, I just I've only ever I tried them first time in Paris. Yeah. it felt really like They felt naughty. And so I like anything that feels to bit like, oh, this is a treat. It's not something I would make. I always try to order food in restaurants I can't make. Yeah. which would be most things but you know to a high level. Yeah. orr ingredients you'd be too scared to maybe handle. And it's very French, your last supper. It is quite French now I've said it. The cht. They're not. And Oh ye, the chippy chip They would want a f, but I'm looking for that as. The Northern has to have an influence somewhere. And then do you like a mushy pea, Emma? No, no, because I love a mushy pea. But I like a curry sauce with fish and chips, which is and gravy, I think. Yeah, I know. I understand you know. You're s then though, aren't you? Yeah, I'm leatherhead. Right. I am pure berbs Southern burbs, Emma ower Yeah. London to me is still like You know, I come out of the tube and I'm still a bit excited. No, I think I am still. I grew up in a city, but a much smaller one. She Yeah. I'm a city girl throughuinsom. Yeah. I know you're meant to want, maybe as you get older to crave big green spaces. and I do like it. you just walk down to the canal, you can walk down to some water and then you back out in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you. I like it for a day or two and then I start, I don't know. not great And then am I gonna to have a pudding? Oh of course. I don't know why it's gone French but I would have a chocolate Lclair, a really beautifully made notot the sweet, but the pastry Um And I think we're starting with Just to be clear Possibly a martini or a margarita. And we're having salty Rim, surely. Yeahways. straight up, no eyes. Yeah And then we're going depending, but like I think I've just I don't know anything about wine, but I might go for a white burgundy. Okay. What's y Yes. I know nothing. I've just had it and it was great. That seems weird because to me those are two colours. white burgundy. I know Is it white. You can do that. And then I end with some whiskey. I love a smoky whiskey. A I yourour voice to me says that it should be promoting a whisky. Well, yeah, I mean, when I leave the BBC, I'm looking for a glasses brand deal and a whisky deal. It's all gonna to happen. Okay, thank you. It's all gonna happen. And I'm thinking with the whiskey a big old balloon. Yeah, do know is it a balloon? tumblumb tumbler. You've got brandy made. You've got a it bit brandy. You could do brandy. I'll do whiskey. Okay You can dominate in our fields Later in the show. Even my son knows I'm like, What's the goss? What's the line? Like whereere he's been? I need a top line, right? Top two lines. I don't want any of this. You know, and so husband's been what's the likely to? What's the line? What's the what's what's the detail And we're live on Match dayay as Doug reaches for a buffalo wing. He's got it. Oh and he's gone for a can of Pepsy too. What a finish! There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match Days deserve Pepsi Do you hear that Sounds like breakfast is ready. Because Quakers coming in hot with morning nutrition one hundred percent whole grain oats and a good source of fiber to fuel the rhythm of your morning and kick startart your day That sounds absolutely delicious. Fuel to start whatever's next. Quaker, official sponsor of FIFA World Cup twenty six Do you think you're going to die in a French restaurant No No, I think I need to be if I'm gonna die at the meal, can I die at the meal? Well, listen, let's discuss. Die wherever you want to and in whichever whatever way you want. I think, you know Dying in your bed, happppy, warm sun on your face would be lovely. you know, And and I just don't want to freak anyone out. So I think dying at a table would freak people out and I don't want anyone to have any residual trauma to do with my death. But dying in your bed after or on a you know, a lovely you know, like a chaise long or something where you're sleeping afterwards with just a bit of a book that you've tried to read and fail after a boozy lunch, That would be a great way to go. Lovely. into a sort of nap Yeah. And I think, you know, we're talking I'm retiring in my mind here in Miami. I've got massive hair G got Dolly Parton and the bigger hair closer to God, kind of vibe. I think that'll do me well at these so called pearly gates. And I'm of a good age and I'm in good health and I have you know, good family and friends. that would be the absolute dream. I mean, I did grow up watching the Golden Girls with my grandmother And I don't think they were that old, I now think real. It's weird, isn't it? You I know. I think one of them was only sort of sixties. Yeah, or maybe fifty five when it began. So that's all quite funny to reflect on now, but you know the sunshine states and warm Yeah, lovevely. No, I like the sound of it. I do. I think I think God willing. Now, this is the exciting bit. Deathlings, take note This same Here lies the tale of a life story so catastrophically awkward it deserves its own tiny headstone. I'm so excited. I went to a job interview and for once felt prepared, polished and only mildly sweaty until they asked me to share a challenge I'd overcome I launched confidently into a story only to realise mid sentence. that the ending made me look absolutely terrible Not mildly unprofessional, but full, irresponsible disaster. Oh Lord Spoiler alert, I left small children unattended while I ran to a local hardware shop on the same road, frantically searching for something that could unsupergue a child's. hand to its head Nannying wasn't for me. Oh A amazing. Wow I'd already committed though There was no elegant escape route, so I plowed on narrating my own downfall while the interviewer watched with the expression of someone witnessing a slow motion car crash By the time I reached the dreadful ending Even I wanted to leave the room and never return I didn't get the job. I did, however, gain a mortifying little anecdote perfect for your graveyard of shame Yours in eternal cringe, but loyal deeathlink to the end, Marie with some kisses. Have you ever been a nanny Have you ever done a child minding? No No, no, no, no, no. that's no. The first gig was when I had a child and had to look after them. But this In the graveyard of shame, you've not asked me for one, but this has brought up a memory that I feel like I actually do want to share with you. Please do. And when I explain the story to friends, They need me to act it out almost, but I think we'll be able to do it even though we're on an audio as well as visual podcast here The thing I will always cringe about till I die is very early on in my journalism career and I was you know just coming up. amazed to win this award and It was at the online awardars when digital journalism was just happening. and It was kind of you know, bestest newew reporter or something like that. And I was so amazed. Oh my I'd had loads of drinks and it didn't think it was going to be me or whatever. and it was a big deal to me at the time And it was a good good thing to obviously happen when you're trying to you know get established in a competitive field. So I went up on stage to receive the award and really randomly, my husband who does not work in the same field or certainly didn't then, sorry His boss was in the audience because I think they're a big company and they were sponsoring one of theries And I knew her and she was lovely and she was very, very friendly, not frightening sort of boss. And she came over, she's an American and she's so smiley and happy. And she came over to me and was like Oh my god, Emma. And I was like, Yes. And I came off the stage, but I was still above her as I went to hug her and I put my whole hand in her mouth at literally stillill to this day. I went to hug her For my fingers Her mouth was open really wide. I went to hug her. I had had a few drinks and I missed the angle to put my arm around her and four of my fingers went into her mouth and then came back out again. and I could still feel The grae of her teeth along the top of my index finger That is mar. Marie, I wantan to join you in the graveyard of shame. Oh, that's marvelous. Did you see her again? Yeah yeah, we've stayed f. Do you ever talk about it? She doesn't remember it She was smashed, I think, as well. Oh, that's really good. Or is she just being really, really, really polite?ang my husband I rang up Jeremy and I went, I put my hand in your boss's mouth. And I won an award Not for that Oh I'm really sorry. I don't know why I had so. I just I don't want to leave Maria alone. Thats no, that's so good. That is absolutely marvevelous. Yeah, I think I'm trying to sort of exercise the shame by sharing it here Yeah, no, considerate exercise. Thank you. No Does have a conffessional vibe this podcast. does kind of does, yeah, it kind of does. Like what do you need to say before you go? Yes. Yes. Oh we'll get on to that.oody get onto that Dear listeners and viewers, if you want to get your mail read out on the podcast by one of our fantastic guests like the brilliant Ema Barnet The email address is mail at deathpodcast. co. uk couldn't be simpler that wasn't part of the address, I just said couldn't be simpler Because I am a member of a religion, there is a format and I do think this is where religions come into their own. There's structure. there's precedent And you can cling to it. Yeah, and the family can cling to it right? So A Jewish funeral, I mean family parties, food hugely important to all cultures and Jewish people no different of course but for all of the joy and the loudness and the partying of of the calendar moments of a Jewish calendar or a Jewish person's life The funeral is so pared back. Is it? There's nothing I mean First of we get buried on the same day or the next day If you do shiver? Yeah. How does that work with the twenty four hour? So I didn't know that there was a so day. Sitting shiver is the process of mourning in the home. so you can do it for one day, you can do it for a week. Okay do. you know, um sure there is a very specific amount of time that I'm not nailing here and a rubi will write in. But I have seen it done a few different ways, but that comes after the funeral. Oh I thought it was there with the post. No so the funeral So the whole thing is you're not meant to be left alone after you've died, somebody sits with the bodody So that's that part and then you bury as soon as possible. That's just the tradition. know, it's not the only religion or culture to do that. It is quite What I think is very powerful about it, obbviously if there's postmortems that need to be done or whatever, but what I think's very powerful about it is it forces everyone immediately to have to change everything because someone's died You have to make the funeral, you have to drop everything. And I think It sounds really weird but Obviously there are people who would have rather buried their loved ones sooner, but there are financial issues, there are it's very expensive now and has been for some time for people or they can't get a date. even death can be congested and difficult. But in the Jewish religion You pay into a burial board as part of your synagogue membership. I didn't. You can. I didn't It's quite a strange thing to be doing from an early point in your life. And if you follow the old model, which was you join a synagogue once you get married, maybe, paying a little bit of money towards your fees the whole way through your life. I suppose there's no difference to insurance. It's really practical. It's very practical that death is part of life. But yeah, the first time I went to a Jewish funeral, I was amazed by how It's just a box in the middle of the room, like a wooden box. No There's no coffins, there's no fanciness It's very quick after the death, typically, if nothing else has stopped it and it's very You came back as you came. You go back as you came, I should say.. And so there's no, I'm sorry if I can't give you a very glamorous or a very strange No I love it. Funeral. but it's I really like it about it and it hasn't changed Yes I mean it' I found it really scary to see in the middle of the room, and I've now seen them Yeah throughout my life of different connections to people I haven't A we talking open books? No, no closed. Yeah. Yeah. My husband recently went to a funeral where it was open and he'd never seen that before. I've never done that. Have you done that? Only the once. Okay. Yeah, it's a thing. Yeah. Did you know it was going to happen? I did actually. Okay. Yes. I did He didn't. I think I to know, you know, I've never I've never seen a dead person yet. so but I think I wrote about deeath cafes years ago, Do you know you must know about those that people Okay, so there's a movement where people go and talk about death and they have little meet upps because they're either scared of it or someone's just died in their life and The theory of it and you know again, people who are more familiar will know more detail, but my memory of it was that We've become really bad at death So we used to have dead bodies laid out in the home. It was part of life. We would die much earlier. We would know people who had died a bit like we would know babies when we were growing up. We would have hand genuinely the first time I properly held a baby was my own at thirty three I mean I must have held along the way, but I mean really looked after Yeah And the same was true for my husband in terms of the baby side of things. So We're really bad now at understanding. because our communities have chang so much ha? And I think we sanitize oursel from death. because None of us want to die. We all want to there's this whole thing about we've got to stay young, we've got to keep young, we've got to we're just we're just trying to sort of put off the Yeah, I think I mean, we we're going into this optimization point, aren't we where It's You know, I recently started hormone replacement therapy and one of my friends is not doing it. I did say to it because you likes to suffer, isn't it? you know? And she she is sort of a part of that is she wants to see if she can go without and how she's doing. But the other part that she feels conflicted by is the longevity part of it, where people try and say, I mean hormone replacement therapy, if you can take it, you should. you know That's not you obviously have to get medical advice. But if you're not doing well, it really helps you, it's a replacement But for some women, they don't like the messaging around it will keep you the longevity stuff And I hadn't thought about that til she said that to me. So I think we are entering this optimization era But we're still going to die, right It's the only certainty of life, Emma. I know. and how youre going to go? But it's also weird for me that I have a chronic condition. I have two and endometriosis and adenomiosis. The hallmarks of those conditions among other things are pain. and I regularly stalk about not very well And I think that is a strange of what is being well, it changes things in your mind.. You know, I try very hard to enjoy being alive and I really like being well and I like I get my energy from people and I like hearing their stories and I want to I want to do that and I recently launched my own podcast called Ready to Talk at the BBC. and sitting with people and hearing how they get through and make life as bearable as possible after some of the most extraordinary things and then brilliant as well, their lives. It is really what it's all about. and I don't think that's to deny death, but I just want to enjoy living as much as possible Yeah Are you enjoying the rac to talk I am. I'm you. I. Listen, I've interviewed more than a thousand people over the last ten years or so. and I often don't get sort of nine four, nine, twelve minutes with them, whatever the segment is because I've been a live broadcaster. So now going back to some of the stories where I was like, what actually happened. How did that feel fascinating? You know, Tracy Emin came on and We just actually talked about what it was to be in pain, to be a woman, to create and have the space to roam around that sort of conversation.ve For me to butcher Virginia Wolf, I've wanted to create this audio room of my one's own for a long time. you're doing it as well. Yeah and I just I really love telling people's stories as well as possible and then helping them do it because we aren't always the best storytellers of ourselves and picking up on the thing they didn't sort of say or going back to it It's really important. 's really important coming up soon. I can't hope with the kids getting older, even though I've dreamt of it To have the chances to take them to things You know Sliipping through my finger. Yeah o my gosh, it's all that And I'll just be mush on the floor Did you know Lulu Lemmon's iconic Flowy bra also comes in tank top styles and even a dress? 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Do she used to do your hair She's the reason I think and be there'll be someone who says this is not true, but she saw I had very fine hair when I was born. and this isn't because we were obsessed with me being called Barnet. So there had to be a nominative determinism about this. but I this very like this bob the whole way through the first few years of my life and she said we need to keep cutting it to get it thicker and thicker and thicker. So I had this fabulous little like twenty style p Chanel I. Exactly. I mean, it was wild, but my daughter's hairs so wild like that mine was then and she's only three. but she's like no we need to get it thicker. So I think I have very I have a lot of fine hair because of her. You have got a cracking barnet. It's very greasy today. No did dry shampoo? No, no, it's really, really good. I have got my father's hair which is beyond fine. And it's also becoming a nice sort of cul deac around this area, which I have mentioned before but anyway, that's fine. We do sort of Atha Gar. You you like doing the plas and stuff. I do like doing plas, which is fabulous. I still don't really know how to do her. And once I found out was ha a daughter, I was like, oh gosh ' going to have to learn. Yes. Have you learnnted? you? Yeah? I mean, I can do one but it's a bit loose. And she'll get to the age I never mastered it where she'll say, can I have a French plaat? Well She'll have to pay a Dutch plait. She'll have to find someone. I had to pay someone in the playground, you know, ten two when I was a kid. There was this wonderful girl called Vicky. Oh She had a cute Did she? It's amazing. My momum couldn't do one. To do platting. Yeah, but really technical Really? Yes, like where they start up there and go down. Amazing. Wow. What's she doing now, do you know? No Would you ever go to a school reunion? Do you like that sort of thing There is a journalist in you would love it, I'm sure. There is a journalist one coming up. We are twenty years or twenty something years out of our postgrads. I imagine you'd be amazing at those kind of reunions because you would get You'd get the meat and the juice out of people. I will. I mean, if you come home, if you've ever live with me M, even my son now's eight, I'm like, what's the gos? What's the line? Like whereere he's been? I need a top line, right? Top two lines. I don't want any of this. you know, and so husband's been what's l What's the line? What's's what's the detail? Because I you know, Jeremy would come up with something not very detailed and then three days later we'll be seeing some other friends and he'll say something that happened at that particular friendship chat he'd has a night for. and he'd not said it to me. I was like, No, you've got to learn You distill this. But the only thing I'm not good at about reunions is I'm not I don't know it's the I'm at moment. I don't nostalgia So I don't love going back in time, you know, because My gomother's no longer with us, for instance, or my. I kind of have a propulsion to move For forward forward forward. Yeah, not that I remember people. I adore them, but I'm very I miss some people so much G back in time, it almost gives me verse to go Like, who was I? Who are you? You know, in films when people don't achieve what they thought they were going to achieve, it kills me the way we were. I'm just How it was, but how it is, can't hope So not sentimental, would you say? I think I avoid sentimentality because It dizzies me a bit. It's probably quite good. I think it can be baggage actually. how much nostalgia can be. I'm making a film at the moment and I had to go and find some old photos of me, which meant trarawling through, you know albums, you know, sticky photos ofort hf hanging out and then I did feel dizzy afterwards. I sort of thought, Wha, you know everybody in that photo is dead You know, all my grandparents, goparents Act now, you know, a cousin's father, like it's just it's difficult. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I can't cope with the kids getting older, even though I' dreamt of it to have the chats to take them to things you know, Sliipping through my finger. Yeah o my gosh, it's all that And I'll just be marsush on the floor You haven't hit secondary school, have you? No, notot with your elder no. Yeah eight and three, that's where I'm at. Yeah. Secondary school is interesting. I just ray shades the whole way through this experience I'm also seeing shades at your buryial, Emma. Yeah in a really good way. Yeah we're all hair and I'm seeing I'm seeing shades. I'm seeing Filini is what I'm seeing. sentious staflings, but if we can. Yeah, I'm seeing Felini. I want to. You're quite Felini, you are. Well, the has got to be good when I die. Yeah, it will be. Thank you. It blooming will be. Now, can I just say thank you so much coming on Whet there's Will is aw. Thank you for having me. It's been a long held wish of my self and production. Oh, no, I'm so happy to be here. as I said to you and I walked in, I've been really worried about your face ever since I watched her on last one laughing because you're non laughing Don't do it again. I'm worried about your jaw, you know, you're okay. Well, you're telling that story of your husband's boss and you being on stage and then the whole hand going in the mouth I'm going to have that done to me For money tomorrow, because this the inside of the jaw needs to be massaged. I know, call me a showobbiz twat meol I'm sorry.'m having mess up. So my news journalist friends out there, that is a news line. Mel has sustained an injury from holding her face on last one laughing. Yes. I'm gonna let someone else write that one out, but I love that you're going to have a jraw TMJ. It's called a TMJ. Is it? Yes. I don't know what it stands for, but it's a TMJ. much jraw. Exactly. I talked to the dentist about it and he said, TMJ, you're going to need that massage. Well, you were formidable on it. And I've loved it for a long time anyway, you know From lunch to now. You're too young for that. I not Well, you must have been a child. How? Were you bunking off school? No. Mbe. I absolutely love all that you do, Belle. Watching your face was the pinnacle And now being with you. It's been amazing having you on we there all the way. There's one more thing we must do dear Emma, which is this