Looking Ahead to Exorcist III

T like blood I love Thanky Theres nothing's more relax'snd the cross ten and love. S spend the ten hour cly Yeah Hello everybody and welcome to With Gorlely and Rust. I'm Matt Gorley, and I'm Paul Rust. and we're talking about Hi Matt. Hi I was gonna say we're like a professional. I was gonna say and we're talking about Eorcist I, the heretic. Look, there's nothing professional about Eorcist II, the heretic. Oh my gosh, Mat, I doesn't mean there's not a lot to love. I had the same thought I was like That was a bad movie But uh, I was entertained and I might revisit it again sometime. Yeah, it held me for a while. at first as as a like beautiful looking in the production design and then the curiosity of it all. and then the how did this happen? And here we are and what choice was that? then By the end long story short, I was like, well, I checking out. Yes. it gets a little too spectacular so. Yeah not a horror movie at all Just another one of those like Pronenberg rip off sci fi movies and I say that with a instead of a SI, it's a PSY sci fi movie, you know, the psychological teical physical Yeah ye horror movie or whatever I a physical thriller. It really is in line with the brood not only in its kind of just like psychotechnical aspects, but the rust colored production design. We'll get into that. I mean, we're so excited. I mean, I feel like this movie is probably When people saw it, it got people wanting to talk about it. Even back when it came out, people were walking out of the theater being like, what the fuck was, you know, Yeah, they left the first extas going, Wh, the fuck was that? And they left the second one going That was like Mark Maron's the opening of the WTF podcast. Rember? He was like Sometimes it's like what the fuck, but sometimes it's like, The fuck Yeah. And then what is he? Doesn't he call his people the what the fuck heads or something? 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What an anomaly, What a heretic itself. Yes. I mean, we've you know, weve just mentioned, we've watched many Movies on this podcast I was thinking about it as like And we've watched a lot of sequels This might be like the most obvious version of a bad sequel that we've maybe ever watched in a sea of really bad sequels we've watch Yeah Halloween resurrection. Right. And you hear about how bad this is and I have to admit going in, I wasn't convinced I'm looking at what is my favorite type of old cinematography, that gauzy seventies look and then We got Richard Burton. I mentioned this before. I've been on a real Richard Burton kick lately. Yeah, you know, loveem or hateem. No, I mean, what have been some Burtons you've been? Well, I watched The Wild Geese. I watched a documentary on Richard Burton and then I watched a movie called The Medusa Touch, which is another thriller from this time where It's just about I know, it's You know, you know how love any movie or book with that kind of title that Brantley also recently pointed out to me. It's called the Mad Lib movie title because you can put basasically anything in those noun positions. So I've got a bookshelf over here that are strictly just those titles. So the Marcus device The Ludendorf Pirates, the Intercom conspiracy, the Windchim Legacy, the Shrewsdale exit What else we got the Odessa file, O of course, the IPRrS file, things like that, the Osterman Wekend, ry of game. U the Andromeda strain. The leather albitross. Yeah There's one called The Brass Cupcake. Right now I'm reading the Quiller meemorandum, which is also a movie with George Sagal himself was considered for this movie. Yes, um, And I love, you know, sometimes when you're alphabetizing The question of the article A and the it's like, do you Alphabetize that. Yeah, then you got a seea of the and it's not really matching with the rest of the but this Solves a forree bet. These are all the That's a rule. Th then you move on. you're like, okay, then we start I just did an experiment here. Not only did I buy all paperback a noun noun. They're all white Binding books. Oh yeah and they're all sorted from black to basically pink color tone as far as the title goes. So That's the way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. This uh u We were talking about that because we were talking about a oh, watching Richard Burton. And you were also mentioning look of the movie Um I mean, I think that's maybe my u Favorite part of the movie U Matt is like whatever that like Rome Purp it Holy carpet, You're not kidding. That's special Oh my gosh, there's so much Gleaming Rome Um, uh There was some sort of I don't think there're u anymore, but there was an Instagram account was like Soking Dor And I remember they did like a series or a special look at Eorcist too. because It has that particular Of the Oh are we on the live stream Hey That's good. Pazzo's on our side Theuazzuzu was like, Ooh, when they talk about exorcist too, it gets my message out must. brring Spectrum back. We' the good locusts that fly against the swarm. Yeah. I don't I'm sure y'all watched Eorcist too but before you u joined our podcast here to listen, but u, U, if you didn't M We just know that eighty percent of it is devoted to locusts Yeah, which for a while I was like, is that a moth By the way, so thank you live streamers for joining us. ourur L Innet went down, but now are we are here with you Yeah, the internet is back everybody. so it's good to join the live screamers. Hello, hello. You haven't missed much. We just kind of introduced it and gave our general thoughts, but What a Well yeah, I was saying I love that my favorite thing is baby how it looks. And like when she steps out on that like weird skyscraper patio. Excuse me, the one with intermittent railings for some reason What's going I get production design This isn't even like a civic code kind of thing You had a building that high and there are giant gaps in the rain That's insane. Yeah. especially at the corner. Yeah It's like a what do you think was the decision there? They were sort of like Oh, I know what the decision was. she's got to dangle over the balcony. so let's part of it away. I think you know what I think it was, Ban, this probably was the case. It's sort of like, you know, when you're doing a Lego set And you can't find a piece that somehow like fell off, then they don't have like a replacement piece That's what happened when they constructed that. Oh, they were just out of balcony. Yeah. Yes. Well, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised like a weird square here. No, no, no, just leave it. I wouldn't be surprised because everything in that penthouse is custom made generally of glass and mirror But they actually built that penthouse on top of a building that Warner Brothers owned in New York. Yeah, that's the Warner Brothers building in New York.azy. Oh my gosh. I mean There's many U u effective and arresting quences in this movie. That was one of them. Yeah. Like the like dream match upp of the locust and then she comes out on the balc walks out and Uh, And that special effect, like I wondered how she did that or how the how the movie did that had her like walking out and u Uh, it was a I think it was just a stunt person's toes. I'm sure they were cabled in and stuff, but when she got to the ledge the little Yeah, like getting close like that. I didn't that seemed really I'll bet you the The terrace is just a false terrace that, you know, if you're shooting at an angle, the rest of the building is probably six feet below or something like that. Oh, like the old safety last the guy hanging from the clock, it's like Yeah, yeah ye Optical But the star of this movie to me is the production design. Yes. The scientific center built out of hexagonal or octagonal. A little Cubicles, glass I don't know one glass, like beautiful like flares on the glass and like And yeah, I don't know what the seventies design like u Or if you're building a center for hypnotherapy Is there like a totilitarian reason why you have The only thing different things happ people thinkink of is like it's an open space concept for psychological research but something that should always and before and after has always been a confidential medical study, which is people's psychological trauma and disturbances in this case is all observable by everybody. in every element, whether they're patient or doctor in every component in cubicle I mean hate. It's literally not aable. It's like Hexable. Dctor Hexable. mean if I Wh did I do Adam Sandler for Bill Cosby? I don't know I u I mean If I took a doctor's visit there If I could be in a place that cozy Just this or kind of like, man, I just wanted to sprawl out and read a magazine. Yeah like hang out with young Dana Plato That was Data Pay No ye. Okay. Yeah, she could be there. The whole cast of different strokes could be there. Yeah Um I guess, u Hell the castter in the littleittle House of the Prairie could be there too? Sure. sureure not. Yeah. But u u It was And then I love the like production design of H African village sets For the first movie, the Exorcist, like when we talked about it, we werere like, I think the only stuff that wasn't shot on location was the stuff inside the house And they make the most of it where it was like, oh, then you're like Changing the temperature, the colors and stuff. And even then the house was one hundred percent eritee. It looked so real. Yes. Yeah, right, right, right This like is the complete opposite where It's not filmed on location ever. I mean I mean there's occasional some mixter in New York. Yes, yes. Of course there are some yeah, like we're on. But it is so stage studio based in a way that like I love movies, so I For me, it's more movies like somebody's walking in front of like a weird mat painting or a screen and then like an obvious beautiful set of like an African village. It looked like you're watching Julie Tamor's the Lion King on Broadway at times. Yeah, you know what? And it's interesting that they're walking in that museum with the little diorama what is those called the exhibits The dioramas, I think. Yeah likeike Those Sets that they're on are they look like for the natural history. was that That wasn't location, that was a set. That was se like location, right? I think so. And I think they they obviously put the Ethiopian stone temple Yeah in that diorama because it also looked out of place just tonally R Yeah. But yeah, in a movie, like the first movie was you're right. It's like all Verite And so naturalistic in every way which did such a good job at contrasting the supernatural. Yes. And in this case and that like slow burn of you're realizing like, oh, this is happening. This was like the first scene was crazy. like the exorcisms now happen all the time on earth and the even though in the first movie, they were like, this rarely happened this has the church hasn't had this happen and then Mis Burt, they're like this is the exorcist guy He's like really Yeah. Well, it had a very bond feel to it too, because he comes back from a cold open mission and then he gets assigned a mission by like the Vatican's M. Yes. And he's like it really felt of globe trotting to the bottom of the Too bad Yeah, I was hoping u he was maybe gonna u him and Louise Fletcher were going to have like a fling or something. And that's an interesting thing because in Brantley's wonderful notes that character was originally male. John Voite was considered for it. I think Maybe that's where George Segal was considered as well, but then they decided to make it Female to kind of have it be not only are they, you know, representing religion and science, but also man and woman, but they don't do anything with the man and woman part. And they don't actually do that much the science versus religion because also She keeps like quoting science, but she's doing absolute like pseudos science o.. hypno like Telekinesis, notot telekinesis, but like when you enter someone else's mind Yeah, it's so sci fi.'s I don't know Yeah, if this technology really existed on Earth, it would be like the most civilization changing. People wouldn't be talking about exorcisms.. So that you put on this little Rubber with w hes and Um, and then that light flashing And when a light flashes, you sort of become induced. You get hypnotized by the tone and the light and the rhythm tone the descending rhythm of it all I will say in It worked at Exorcist too. It would also work in a much better movie. I loved whatever like that feeling it gave me during as a as a moviegoer Like having that sort of trance like thing happen. Yeah. it's cool. And there was a brilliant saying that They did intentionally, and I think was brilliant, could have been executed a lot better, but just by nature, and I wonder if they planned it this way Because the set is primarily made of glass light strobing was doing the two way mirror effect where it would When it would go off, you'd see what was outside the glass and it go on, you'd see the reflection. And then they added the third element of It goes off and you see what's beyond the glass. It goes on, you see the reflection, but then you also see Reagan as Pazuzu opposed over that. so You were seeing outside inside spiritual, outside, inside spirit. That was amazing. Yeah. It wasn't like It didn't have a crazy impact because I think I to see A lot of this I blame the direction is John Borman I He's a fascinating filmmaker. Yes, he is. when you Deliverance in one hand and then Zardz in the other. This is somewhere probably in between but definitely leaning Zards And Reagan Linda Blair herself has said she really loved William Friedin because he was so good with actors and that John Borman works more with the spectacle and not as much as actors and you could really feel it in this because her performance is kind of night and day. Yeah, nobody was looking out for her. I know. I know. And yeah, the the u Right, the acting in this isn't like have whatever that Beautiful touch of naturalism that the first movie did. Even Louise Fletcher, who's amazing in one floor over the Cuckoo's nest feels a little lost in this. And it seems cast because she almost looks exactly like Ellen Bur. I think so. And she had the same sort of Respectability is Ellen Burston having just won an Oscar, Is that like ye they are trying to like refilling. Yeah, they're refilling the. Well that they The producer in Brantley's notes are so great in this episode, especially, because this movie began as a low budget rebuild of the original where they were going to use not only unused shots, but unused angles from the original to kind of tell the exact same story And then when John Borman came on board, it really went Yeah. Norman must have been into some of this shit. you know, there's like psychological Iolland stuff. Yeah, the choice of Okay William Friedkin isn't a part of it. William Peter Bladdy isn't a part of it The first one was based on a book, there isn't a book that we could base it on. So it is entirely like A clean slate of like what story are you going to tell that follows Reagan or whoever didn't show up for the first movie, which is so funny that like I love it like in Grease two when like Uh Frenchy U becomes like a star when she was sort of like the sixth, you know, in the first And I love French. but like becausecause you're an actor who's now doing the sequel, the others like, John Travolta, Oliviaew Jo there. Hey, you're the star of Greece too. So yeah Claire's assistant. Sherared. Sherred. Oh my God, that they couldn't get Ellen bursted and then the our the detective had died. Yeah. Lee J. Cobb a lot of this was supposed to be He's filling in the priest on the backstory, but instead now it's sh the secretary, which is so And she has such huge scenes. throughout the whole movie of like emotional stuff that it's like they're all comm to share it. And essentially ends up becoming the main antagonist because Pazuzu is so Undefined in this movie. Oh my goodness. It's really unclear. There's double Reaganss Oh yeah. so yeah, that you have this like clean slate to tell whatever story and you go the like Yeah, the metaphysical route of like I mean, you could see they were trying like you said, they're trying to wedge it into the like science faith conversation. And I get that's compelling if you do it, right? And I get that yeah, that you would go as a sequel. Hey, that's what the first one really the tension was So let's that what the sequel kind of has to be about in some way. So it started from that. but that Now both are woo woo Like Right. Yeahriest It somehow thins both out instead of strengthening both like the first movie did. Yeah. Yeah. The way though that yes, so feels like and I'm sure that amazing Moraconey score yeah helps with this. This feels like an Italian European like Giallo movie Like it looks like if The Italians were trying to do Kronenberg didn't have the nerve the guts to go full on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Uh, I know. so If it wasn't, called Exorcist too probablyro Well, I'm still on board with all the ideas. I am too. I think it'd be a cult classic if it wasn't the sequel to the Exorcist. I really do Yeah, you would just be like, they made this like crazy movie. I mean That said, there's parts that they're you know trying to Hearken back to the first exorcist that like, Those are some of the most bizarre parts when they have to like recreate like the The end Like so they're not they're I don't know why they just put at you shot. There is a part where it's like, Marin standing at the end of the headed Yeah. And she it's not Linda Blair though, because she didn't put any of the makeup back on for the sequel. She But she couldn't have anyway. she'd grown too much. So you can obviously tell it someone else, even the voice of Pazuzu is not Mercedes. Mbe she I don't know if she was around But it's so different. Oh God, it's so weird. This ye movie had so few returning cast members. Except even the voice of Pazuzu. Yeah' like no thanks. Except somehow they get Max Von sit out for this. who didn't want to do it Yeah. and interestingly, you know, like it would seem like, oh It's the stuff in the last twenty years that is thirty years that have made like Marin a more significant figure in the Eorcist movies But like by exxorcist to the heretic. They're already doing prequel stuff with Bart. I didn't realize that. Neither did I. and Oh my go I loved those like whether it be the locust or the evil spirit, like the point of view of it like moving across like wind and stuff. Yeah. When it like grew flew across the plains and then ended on the window of the hud and then Maron like peeky desy out. Like that stuff was like was so cool. Yeah and the fucking like Locust That was like the effects are all like U They're insane, but they don't look shitty. No, they would in any fantasy movie of this time, you wouldn't question them as much, but on the heels of the exorcist. It's crazy. This movie is four years later and it's such so much more dated than the exorcist. That is so True Well, because it has the u Reed tap danies. I know it' just so like fossy, whatever that And the technical aspects of it. this like sci fi tech stuff dates Even Linda Blair's beach, which she's just a kid in the first In this one, she almost has like that kind of nineteen forties. Well, golly, what you gonna do kind of thing that was strange to me. It was It's like she could her little girl voice but her body had aged, she's a woman in this, you know, a young woman. So But even in the first one, she was like less like a kid. Yeah because She talked like how a kid talks. And I could tell the direction is responsible for that Yeah, because she, u, u I mean, she's not, she's given such bad stuff like at the end when she's Like kneeling next to Richard Burton saying like Let me in Open yourself up to me. was like, man, I wouldn't want tona be in a seat with Richard Burtmore or I have to like say shit like that. He's hisis character is unresponsive, so you have to like this whole like. I mean the also Voice, her voice reminds me of Richard Burton's voice, which is like, I guess if you're gonna have to have stupid bullshit said for two hours to hear it in that voice is like great. It's the Donald Pleasants thing too. the like, I thought this movie would have been so much better if Donald Pleasants played this role because it would have put it where it needs to be. It's like trying to elevate itself with Richard Burton. if Pleasants is playing Lamont This movie is amazing. Yes. Oh my God. And he just does it as like Lomis. Yes. Loomis Lom one hundred percent. Allright I I What is that like it's some Oliver and the like if you speak with prunciation gravatas I have some theories on this because Burton is so good in his early stuff and in this This is a comeback time for him after he's done Equison Broadway. He's notably sunk. It's just his personal life and everything. It all comes across on stage and I mean, on the screen. He I think is such a schooled technical actor that he can do this version, which is what he does in all the films of this era this stoic stayed performance where he does use his voice. He knows he's known for his voice. I think it's a crutch. I can't say Richard Burton's phoning it in But I think he knows he can do the bare minimum and still the charisma of Burton will come across He's just not trying Yeah. I know that's the same as phoning it in. There was the quote that Brantleon in his notes provided, which was John Borban was like, yeah, he's got a great voice. I wish he was just body moreore. Yeah. And I think it's true. I think he, but I think he thinks that that's a and it is in some way the it's a viable form of performance where you let the audience fill in the blanks, but I think he's doing it out of energy con conservation instead of like an artistic choice. Right. So you get a long way with Burtons's Chisma and voice and look doesn't get you over the finish line where you can feel that he's doing the bare minimum. I don't wantan to say he's phoning it in. I just think he's doing his bare minimum He's giving you a discount Buron because that's all frankly, I think he could do, you know. He's Ay For a bee Yeah. a B. like a he's not aiming for an A But he's not like slumming for a C grade. And he knows his B is most people's Yes. he's giving us I think he's giving a C, but he knows his C is most people's B plus. And he's fine given a B plus That's good, That's good. And but it doesn't help the movie. That's why I think you need someone a little bit more melodramatic like Donald Pleasant's in this to match the tone of this fucking crazy movie. Yeah. He's too reserved for this movie. Yeah, the the um the characters think and feel and believe is so crazy Led wild that like The movie needs to then have some discipline in terms of like telling that story in a way that you don understand. But then when it becomes sequences that are like, with them Mind buildild happens, thenen you have two different sequences happening together get. I mean where there was that sequence where he's like Africa witnessing locust and Gter cuts with her and like A glittery tuxedo unitard, tap daned. It's so bizarre. I mean, uh u U it is bizarre. It's bizarre is a good one It was bizarre like a really beautiful way. I was like What? Like It takes a like Gifted person to make That's John Boran in a nutshell. Yeah. see Zardz. I've never yeah, I hung out with Zardz once, but I've never seen this movie didid He do, I think my first John Boreman movie was and glory Do you remember that movie? Yeah, I've never seen it, but holy. I mean, he did point bllank, which is amazing too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, yeah, deliverance Uh, but the like, um My this is like I'm sure this has happened notot the specific title, but whatever the situation is is like kind of a funny thing that could only really happen now or happen at that time in a video store. But my mom's going in and she's like, what's good for kids H And the person behind the Desk was like, Well, hope of Glory is about like a kid. What is it about? It's It's a very cool movie, which is like And it's sort of Is it a nineties? A greatier version of what Empire of the Sun is trying to do, which is like Wartim for a little kid could uh actually be an adventure in their mind. Who's in it? H When I was a kid, I mean, it's an all British cat. Like it's about, I think John Boreorman's upbringing and stuff growing up Oh you know, in like bombed out cities and stuff. But like it's also like very like it was a mature movie, which is like Um a scene where the boys line up so that they can like each look down a woman who's holding up her dress so they can like look at her like vagina And upw like iss eight year old like In what context like you're gonna die. So let me show you. No like they're so young, they're like ten No it's like a scene that's like about like But who's the woman that's doing this? We'll cover this when we get to our Bormman season You know, it's funny. I saw this when I was like, eight and never watched it again. I haven't watched. I remember being like ing of blown away by it. Yeah. becausecause it was also the first time I'm seeing like Kid stuff depicted, that's not like the four eighties. Yeah, ye ye. Right And so I don't know who was showing it you know, and In my mind, looking back up this It could have been like justusting a rabbit or something. Like But also could have been like another kid in the neighborhood or something. Like it wasn't yeah. the scene isn't like nor did I think as a time when I was a kid watching the It's not supposed to be a erotic. I don know. it's like a Oh, a scene just kind of about like you know, formative. Yeah, yeah, yeah Um, but u Yeah, John Borman did this because right, Billy id wasn't coming back to this I I'm kind of shocked that they didn't just try to do another Get another billy Well, there was a William What was he on this? who was like the initial director? No, someone that worked on the film in the credits, there's a William, I forget who it was. That's good. because ye I think that's was the first mistake they made was not getting another Billy likeike could you imagine you sit down, you get your popcorn And it'says, you know, exorcist to the heretics by Billy Crystal Late sevententy or mid seventies Billy Crystal directing the follow up to the exerc. Fresh off of soap. Yeah. Yeah What' you do during your hiatus? doing so O now that soaps doneone, what did what are you going to do He in your knee Be back to baby.ar What's if traamic relief? withithing and r Sometimes life will get you stressed out You can always count on text now Txt now free talk, free text, free five G, and they'll never shut you off. 'causeuse like I said, it's free.ree Text now's got your back Nationwide long term contracts, but don' be nervous. not is a service. Text now's got your backers that's a purpose. No matter what comes next, you've got free talk cont text with the teext now app Wireless plans require purchase of aIM card visit text nowow. com for terms and conditions withith cing and r. This movie starts the Saw Bass Warner Brothers logo in and and then it just The way it begins, it was another afternoon watch for me. I was a little sick yesterday. I had blinds closed And I just was like, right when it started This is this feels Yeah. I don't want an exorcist right now. I don't want to go that deep and I' want to be that moved. I want to be cozied along and for a good portion of the film it does that. Yeah. and it is like a pretty gentle ride in the sense that like Warner B brothers thought this was going to be probably PG because like that's crazy. Yeah. that's But that they even wanted that is what's crazy is what's the point? What do you want to advertise that this like movie that like was a Most the movie had earned its R. you know, the exorcist and then to follow up. I mean Uh thing like in terms of a compare and contrast, like You go and you see the exorcist in nineteen seventy three You go and see the exorcist two, four years later and you're like, okay, what Follow up going to be to the exorcist. And when it was like climaxing with them rushing to the train station and a car rushing to get where the train is going. I was like How many fucking movies, have you seen this happen And I don't usually like complain about like that sort of stuff, but it was like could do anything an exorcist too. and eventually they get to the thing and they have their own like crazy second exorcism. but like I was like, you're really like relying on the like We got to get to the I was like, damn, this is really lzy in terms of like where you could go It really felt It felt like each scene's logic followed the last scene but not over the entire before that. No. and A to Z where you start this movie and where you end, even though it ends with an exorcism, it just it made no sense. And Now would you said the Sl ass logo. Yeah. The original exorcist when it came out had that. The one I watched, they had Waren Brothers does this really annoying thing. I've griped about it but like, you know, they wallpaper it with like a new updated logo. Yeah. so you don't get. And I didn't talk about this in the last episode, but I was like, I missed it because like You see the Warner Brros stuff in the movie too, that's like period later, but also like To see a big like red, like white and black like image before the exorcist And then it goes to credits that's like red and white and black. It all feels like a piece. Yeah. So I did like this that was there And this one's just red and black. It didn't have white, which is that's why I wrote it down. Yeah.. And then Yeah, the font and the colver is the same as the exorcist. No tubular bells throughout the whole movie, which was like, I feel like it wasn't like a choice. It was just like an oversight. Really? I bet you anything Michaelfield justifiably so was like, here's how much it is and they were just no. we' any Oore Konee Yes. ye. And yeah, I loveved the whole his score Yeahs highlight of the movie. But it only pops in in that way a few times and you really notice it. And that's when the movie soars to me because that's when the movie feels like it's doing what it should be, which is this Alo dramatic exercise and like What's the word like indulgence? Yes Yeah When it changed for me and it wasn't long in where I was like, God, this is just what I want. And it didn't mean I didn't want it. But when that in the first exorcism and I guess they're in Ethiopia and that woman sets herself on fire. It reminded me so much of the last shot of Sleepway camp, just the way H face was frozen because they had to superimpose her face on a body that could be burnt. And it had that look And it was so yes. so sleepaway camp. Y it was very sleepway camp. I wonder when they were on set where they were like sleepake cam and they were shooting. they werere Hey baby, we're in Borman territory here. And not only that but we're going beyond That fire effect was cool. Yeah. that like And it was like Okay, it's a relief that this movie is doling out money for like effffects when they when they Yeah. And like you said, though the effects, especially the Africa scenes were which were all on a set, if not miniatures were so artificial but so pleasing in that movie way, that practical effect way. They're jarring for this movie that's asking you to kind of tak it on the heels of the original, but Y Ping. Yeah. Do you think this was a thing of like we got Caitos so we can tell the Marin backstory. So let's go that way If he didn't want to do it, whether they have stuck with the mar and stuff If He didn't want to do it, but Father Damen, Jason Miller. Jason Miller did want to come back They have found a way I guess it would have been No, because he died So if they were going to do a prequel, it would have So no matter what, maybe it was always going to be like, if we're going to tell a backstory here, Marin's more Interesting, it seems like it would happen to have always been, but what the movies could have been flat out refuseed. So what were they going to do? and they They changed the detective to Sharon, would they have given Sharon this role as well. But this movie joins that elite club of knowing that O day that casting a young man to play old would one day pay off. when they could play themselves very convincingly in a prequel. Yeah So like Ian McDermott and Return of the Jedi into the prequels. into the Squel trilogy even. Yeah. when he's older It's amazing how his life timed out for those things. Yes, yeah U, but this can you think of any others where someone played old and then could play themselves younger And I don't mean that they were cast for that reason, but no that ends up working out. That's a great question. Yeah. U hasashtag all Makeup pays off in subsequent sequels. Or just put it in the comments. Yes. Oh, yeah, sorry, in the comments. And Guy Pearce in Prometheusas doesn't count because they meant Yeah. He never shows up young, but they meant originally to show him young which is that which is weird that they ended up cutting that Uh Yeah, this also fits in the world of like a the sequel syndrome that like Ghostbusters two falls under, which is like denial of a really spectacle spectacular thing happened happened E in human history just to sort of like bring it back to one of the first movie, but like Um like to have sort of Reagan go back to having a demon sort of in her Yeah, they they somehow summon it again just because they bring up They make her aware consonsciously aware of her trauma, which she had otherwise repressed. That's enough to bring Yeah. and then H even being in that setup right now with this doctor reminded me of like biggest mistake this movie makes is like M. I mean, the way they've tried to fix it by having Um Reaget's bomb on location like After an experience like that, no Mother I'm leaving you. Oh, you would leave your business, you would Ething would be different. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be questionable if you would continue in your line of work and if you did, you wouldn't like get It so goes against like what the first movie was like that she would never do that. No. And if she did have to go a vacation I Reagan would go with her. Like she's still like a minor, right? Like she's not in. I think that's the thing is she seems to be liivving under the care of the assistant but also almost in residency at the psychological Institute as a case study. I mean, she is she getting therapy or is she being ase studase study It's hard to tell. Yeah. All of them, it seems like both because this place by it its's setup is that everybody's observing everybody and If you look at like, yeah, like why the challenger like exploded and you like go back and you look at all like the little mistakes that were made like This is like Oh, this was at the very beginning. They should have paid Ellen Burston so much money to get her back. And then if she doesn't, then you recast The mom, yeah already just a bad first step that you're like weird. She's not a rroud? And here's this movie's biggest sin is that I don't even know If it's unclear in its plot details by the time you get to the good version of Reagan being the good locust that goes against the stream because It's flaws that I've checked out and I'm not even checking to see if that like makes sense thematically.. I would have had to have pay A superhan amount of attention to see if that like tinkkered Taylor soldierers by level of attention to see if that's all checking out. and that movie sends you away from that. It doesn't it doesn't let you there no I couldn't tell you at the end what was happening alsoso In the end of part one The implication is that Father Damiian gets possessed with Pazzu so he can kill Puzuzu, but That's not the case. Pazus is not only back in Reagan, but also in this woman in the beginning. so he kills himself for nothing. Yeah. So Pazus is just just all he managed to do was get it out of Georgetown somehere. Yes. and u When they go to Georgetgetown first time, you know, when the Richard Burton has to go and talk to the most pivotal person who is there Chair of the Secretary They I think had to recreate the exterior of the. They they would not allow them the residents weret allow them to shoot in Georgetown. That set is a thing of beauty. Yeah because It looks pretty close Was it to it? but is it even a miniature? I don't know. I didn't remember they used miniatures later, but in this first one, it's It's kind of astounding that they only used it this one time when they show him like walking up the steps, like the steps, the classic. Oh yeah that excist. Yeah. Yeah. but you could definitely tell that was a set. Yeah. And then he walks over and then the like it looks like Halloween hor like Universal studios Halloween horrice if like you're walking byh and theyre like o Oh, they recreate the exxcist. Absolutely. U love that. you know, that was like a thing of beauty. And then when they did the model version later with the car crashes through the gates of the like And I had I saw so few just momoments and scenes and shots from Exorcist I. This is all like hitting me like Oh my Godd I never knew the exorcist too, they returned to the Georgetown house and that it like One of the climbaxes is like a car driving through the front gate of the joroy like the poster. I was like, oh in the sequel, they drive a car through where the guy standing in the poster. It's a model. it's like a beautiful like little miniature color. I had no idea it was connected that much either, just location wise. It makes me wonder is part three Pazuzu based as well? I have no idea the possession Yeah, is Bladdy like pro Pazzu or if he's like u what Steve or or what u Sean Cunningham is to Friday thirteenth, you know, he doesn't like Jason's mask those came after like he did. So I wonder if I mean, William Peter Bladdy, you know, wrote the word pazoozoo in the script. Yeah by novel, but did he really think it was is it a Sam Hayane? We'll see. Yeah. We'll see. I'm curious. I know I'm curious too. the U Do you think there's any reference to the events of Exorcists two and There can't be. I don't know about two. I think that they would want to sweep that under the rug. They'd be silly to do that. I think maybe one get some Yes. I think they not only I think that would be just audience service. They're going to have to try to connect it in some way. whether it's plot wise, I don't know, but it may just be like There's a precedent for this sort of thing. I'm George C. Scott Frather Aaron, he did it Um, did you, uh, like the, um, part where that Temple of Doom heart because thing that gs It's weird how grossed out I was by that because it looked so prosthetic But it's when she pulled the hand away and her hands are covered in KY jelly that really grossed me out. because why is there no blood Why is it a clear jelly Yeah, it was like an optical effect like put over somebody's real jest. was there was a lot of super imposing. like dissolve images with the lights and stuff Let me ask you this when There's two Burton moments in this movie that kind of I won't say confounded me, but made me think sheds a tear at one point You didn't notice that? No I'm inclined to think it's real, which also adds to the element of how much is he engaged in this movie? you know, 'cause you got Jaws four and Michael Cane. He's not phoning it in Yeah. He's having a good time. It's probably easier on a movie like that. Burton, you know, has probably got the the shakes and everything and But it's not a glycerin tear. You can tell when Ters are types of tears where they actually put like a liquid in you that and then you go action and it falls out. but that's usually thicker This was a watery teiar I guess they could have put like the glycerin to make your eyes swell, but it seemed Re And like he what's the moment that happens? What touched Richard Burton so that it was later. When was it Um, because now Matt, you know, we're in a whole new world. digital tiers. in movies. I know Yeah L loveove this movie to point this out is to not even criticize the movie It's not a mark against it and the scene where it happens is still powerful to me. But at the end of Marty's Supreme, that's a digital tear coming out of his eye. I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised. It's like the digital smile that they put on Brando at the end of the score Oh yeah famous. Isn't that so funny that like, Frank Oz, the puppeteer. couldn't get Marla Brando to smile on camera. So he used like some sort of digital puppetry. It like What like his lipsed In the early days of that kind of CG two, So it' like not successful. and yet I am one hundred percent behind him because Brando just seemed like such an asshole and wouldn't do it almost out of spite Yeah. u That story is incredible. If you haven't story, you know, just just read about it. but Yeah, everyone that was calling him piggy the whole time. and I know, uh, uh I wish there was a hard, you know, there's ness the apocalypse now making know with like a lot of great stuff Uh, and I think it shows actually like Oh You know what? a lot of great stuff an apocalypse now actually came out of Marl and Brand O being in a pain in the Yeah. that's what you get over. Yeah. But withith that, I would love to see like a The hearts of Darkness about the school. Oh God, I would. And the levels it unfolds where It kind of feels and I support Frank Goz, where he's like, o, Brando's not going give me a smile. Well, I'm going to put one on digitally and I'll have the last laugh. And he does. he gets control and he want ups Brando, but the laugh he gets is not the laugh he wants. The laugh is like, Oh God The laugh is from the audience when they see it which Um The original ending for Exorcist I got laughed at and so they changed it. I was a online and it is fascinating the differences between What came out in the theater initially. What was recut and they spent a bunch of money like triillion dollars striking new prints for United States and Canada Three years before the shhining wood recut after a first day of screening U Then. U. I think there's a VHS video release that's a different version And I was reading like the descriptions of the stuff that was cut And It's or that's added in the different version And there was stuff that I was like, W beneficial because it would give it some clarity. Yeah. but it would also just like make it to I mean there was a After reading that, I was confused as to which version I saw. I watched the You can buy it on Amazon Prime. You can rent it for three dollars ninety nine cents or you can buy it So I am a proud owner. Oh exorcist to the Hitage. That's good This was like, so after the opening credits The VHS has a version where It has an intro Oh like a voice overver intro by Peter Lamont mine didn't where he goes U Laird Caster Mirin died in Georgetown near Washington, D.C. L Caster Peter Peter Father Father, Lancaster Marin died in Georgetown near Washington, D.C when he tried to proceed an exorcism att a twelve year old. The girl's name was Regan McNeil. She was possessed by Pazuzu Padre father Marin encountered him in Ethiopia. They were tried to like h this like expl By the way, when he goes to Ethiopia, half the people aren't even They look like Saudi Arabian or something. I'm not talking about just their costumes, but just U confusing. What they there's a part when Richard Burton first does the syinkc up and he's talking about it. and he goes It was horrible Absolutely horrible and fascinated. I was like, that's the exorcist too, baby. Yes, it is. And it's absolutely horrible and fascinating. And it's appropriate that it's a voiceover because there's so much ADR. Did you feel that there was one scene two where he looks at the camera and was that intended? Like I felt it was like a JFK moment where Kevin Costner looks at the camera I was likeoy I can't remember This is a thing I was so It was a comic. It wasn't like a comic turn to be like. No, but it was like a prolonged Did anyone else notice this? I I wasn't second screening. like when I watch Ms podcasts, I put my phone on Do not disturb And my eyes and my head were pointed at this movie and yet I was glazed over. Well it's baffling, it's hard to know like, oh, what would be the moment that they thought was pivotal that he But it was supposed to be like he looks at the camera to be like this is I couldn't tell the point of the movie. seeing it wrong, likeike he was just his eyeline was just shy of camera, but it sure looked like he was looking in camera. U This also has like a lot of A Do you ever see Polter guysuys three feels like very like I mean, it came out before Pter guysuys three, but Pter Guy three is also like The only returning actor is the little girl. And they sort of make an excuse for why she's not the family's not around. But it all takes place in like a high rise in the city too. Oh, I do think I've seen that actually. So seeing like Reagan bop around a high rise in the city without her parents around gave me pololtergey's three vibes. Yeah in the best way you I love that he tries to put a fire out by hitting it with a crutch Over and over And well it helps my leg at first, he's hitting a box and you could think, o, maybe he's trying to smother it with thereir. but then she comes back in later and he's just hitting an open flame with a crutch Maby The crutch is A you sure it wasn't one of those like, u priests have where they shake the Oh yeah. in Oh the holy water Oh yeah that. No, it was a cl because you could use that to put up fire. You'd think, Yeahah No, it was a crutch I liked when that guy the was falling through that chasm, that crazy shot of a guy going down like jagged rock through a from like him doing wirework to a really shitty mannequin to Yeah, all of that s just an assembly like I don't know what kind of work the editor had to do there. likeike Well, it was edited by John Borman Okay. I mean editing's rough in this movie. Yeah Uh, there's u it's also like a part When Louise Fletcher is with her kid and one of the kids is called Linda Just a mistake, like yeah, the actress in the movie who is a kid is Linda Blair. you're dating like the kid Linda. Also, Louise Fletcher, I noticed the first thing you see of her is doing sign language. I. Yeah this movie A little interesting tidbit is that If you I don't know if you've se Nashill But Lily Tomlin and Interestingly enough in the movie is married to Ned Baty, who's in this. But so briefly The briefest and it' a highlight though, but I know, but he's in the credits. you're like, oh we're gonna hit Ned baty and then it's a cameo. I mean, he was in deliverance. so I guess it's I guess sort of like James O Jones too very briefly in the Yeah. Oh, shit, what was the Lily Tomin. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah So in Nashville, she plays the mother of of a deaf child And it's an interesting story. It's like She's willing to commit to learn how to sign. Ned Baty is like a checked out father and he doesn't want to bother to learn. Um There was bit of a Louise Fletcher and Robert Altman. had some shit because Louise Fletcher was originally that part And it's based on how in real life, she has a kid. Uh who's death? Oh And then it didn't work out She got swapped out for Lily Tomlin, but, you know And in a way that I don't think it's like awful of Robert Alban. You're just a creative person in that story like interests you now. It's not the worst thing. But you know, now Lily Tomwood's that part,'s kind of plain part of her life then Nashville comes out the same year as one flew over the Cuckoo's nest and Louise Fletcher wins best actress at the same year that Nashville was out So it's like a heady time for her. But then yeah, to see her follow up sort of her big follow up performance after that, the first scene you see of her is interacting with a deaf child. It was like, okay, she eventually got to or We eventually got to see it in a movie that we didn't see it in Nashville. Very interesting And are we to believe that Reagan has like supernatural healing powers because she gets Dana Plato's character when she never spoken Yeah to talk That seemed like Yeah. she has ers because now this is going with the good locust theme of she's she she's supposed to different good, right? that she she's almost like Christ and that she's healing a leper. you know, like That's her Where there is good, there is great evil. countounts for the second Reagan that appears Yeah, which is u When I after we watched the exxorcist, I was just like reading about it a little bit. like William Peter Bladdy, his Father Damen was his sort of like Avatar, what do you call that? like his Yeah. Yeah, uh in the in that he his mom had been sick and died and he was struggling with sort of like what's the meaning of this and Oh The world's corroded, It's more evil, it's just an evil place. And then whatever breakthrough father Karis. u has is the one that U William Peter Bladdy eventually had, which is like And you see it in the first one Father when he's looking at Karis is looking at The exorcism. he's like, oh, this is so, I've seen evil so close up Well then I have to find the goodness that can like and basically William Peter Bladdy's like belieelve it.s to say? but he's like If there's so much evil in the world, then there has to be another side of it that's like good. you can rest in peace. That's why the first movie is so elegant and simple. Yeah. And then this is like they make it like literal like She has a good side and a bad side and the bad side is loocust and the good side is not loocust. Tap dancing on Broadway the song on Broadway. Was that the song? I can't remember what the song they were doing. When she looking down at that little jazz kid going Or maybe it wasn't that song. I can't. You could run through a computer Like a hundred options of like at the end of the first exorcist of like, where do you think Reagan will end up? Or where will we first see Reagan next? And it would never be We' tap dancing in a glittery outfit and like making eyes at a boy point to Trump. Yeah And is she at some point, am I conflating this in my mind at the end when she falls off the stage? Is she wearing a top hat that is just see through, like it's like just Oh, like trans Well, it just has like the it's just the perimeter is like piping I don't If you're dancing that much, you can't wear like a heavy hat Heavy lies the top hat When your dan realize the top hat Uob Yeah, Let's who plays the lead U when Yeah, they go to the to the village and we meet James Earl Jones This is the same year Star Wars Yeah. What did this come out later When did this come out I don't know it's seventy seven, but I don't know what month. I think maybe it was a imagine This movie's trying to have a slight sci fi S special effects component to it Coming on the heels of Star Wars, my God. Do you think people recognizeed James Rold Jones becausecause he wasn't credited in Star Wars at the time, right? Right Do you think they recognize the voice? Voice Oh my go That would actually be kind of an exciting movie gooer experience at the time. You should thezu.. You're like, o, there's some guy who's the voice of Darth Vayer I don't know who it is because they You don't never see his face, even if it was like you don't credit. Yeah. You're not even savvy enough to like check the credits.' like, I never see who that guy is, I guess And then like five months later, you're sitting in theater and the James old Joeess because Oh ye. W he in Darth Vader suit the whole time? Oh But I loved his Careot That when it lowered Yeah, it looked like the loccus. Yeah. That was so cool. Yeah I want a locust hat Oh no, sorry guys D the internet go out again Yeah, yeah The yeah, I mean, we can just briefly, just Ded Baty is in this movie It's sort of a colorful character where he's like, releligion is my business And he like buys up Buddha statues and stuff and resells them And then he get flies them into like third world countries Yeah, and I don't know if that always existed is like a character who just appears and goes away. but It's a weird experience. I mean, in a movie filled with a lot of like baffling things One baffling thing is like when there's forty minutes left in a movie and then Baby gets introduced, you're like, okay, this character's Really significant. I thought we were going to have a little bit of a buddy like mission movie. Yeah flying around He'd be the sidekick. he'd travel with him up the mountain and And then it ends and it ends in the strangest way, which is like He's in a plane Blood streaks across the wind? No, that's the chemical they're spraying to kill the locusts. Okay, okay, okay, I'm doneumb No I don't think that's on you. I say that as a child of Malathion, Do you know what that means When I was growing up in Whittyer, there were fruit flies. And so I remember all these days where I was saying like Everybody, cover your cars, donon't come outside. We'll be spraying Malathion over the entire area. And so there would just be this like sticky residue and only knows what it did to us, but it was this chemical called malathon to kill fruit for all it flies. Yeah. I know I've thought about how growrowing up in farmland you know, the first twenty two years of my life, like being surrounded by agricultural fields and stuff Um this is not like a It's not a it's just like o, that's interesting. J just like I Fming communities, I I've noticed like U Cancer is it like Yeah us decides and whatever the Yeah. and I'm no RFK junior or whatever, but it is like We don't you aspire to be Yes, I aspire to be, but like yeah, man, like the amount of like u And I I'm also R not RFK junior in the sense that like Don't Like if that's what's happening, I guess I just have to accept it, but st But like yeah. But well, there's evidence for all the pesticides and stuff. Yeah. I mean but also just like, oh, preserve it. L whatever we've been eating, it's kind of like Well, I guess maybe the next thirty years we'll find out if the chickens are coming home to roost with what It's like It's a It generational process because we're living longer than the people before us. That's true That's true. You got to weed out the bad stuff, but you'll never know until you start killing people sometimes. I don't mean that is a justification. I just mean it's a sad fact of life. When people start dying, then you know. Yeah. And some of that is people do know and they it comes out later that they didn't say anything, but like as a culture at large you have to figure that stuff out and have like regulations and stuff and now is not the time that that's going to happen. Yeah I know Oh boy. anyway Oh blood on the windshield of the Yeah, That's what got us started about. I wanted more Ned Baty. He was that movie came back alive for me in that moment. Yeah, ye. Maybe he pops back up in Eorcist three. I can only hope if that guy is spin off, I'm back Oh and Yeah, the last act three or whatever sort of starts with like U Priest is back comes back into the United States He goes to Reagan He says, I found this out. There is good and evil fighting inside you and I'm going to help fight it out But when that was like said I was like, I think you guys knew that the first in the first like little test run you did in the ye You knew bad stuff is in her. You were there to probably help get the bad stuff out of her. I really didn't know what was gay that much when he came back. Like it had the propulsion of like, I'm back and we're going to do this. And I was like,, I think this was ten minutes in. This is one of those movies too that sets up its own arbitrary rules for the ending that're so hard to get invested in because they're not Universal like in the first movie, you understand possession. Oh there was a part where they had to get out of the center, that little like lab pcle lab that they're in where he's like, we need to talk about this. And she's like, I can't right now. I have to do some ernds or whatever E then They cut and then there's like a seed of somebody at a house at nighttime. they go back to they're like Perfect beautiful Uh They Um Yeah, how disappointing it is that they're like trying to rush at the end to get to a place where it's like First movie's ending is so unique and kind of like un U paralleled. Why is this movie called that hereeretic is I know Lamont the heretic because he kind of lapses at the end, he's not excommunicated because I know he's also wearing like a cool African shirt at one point too, which kind of implies like, ooh, some real character development here. Oh also yeah, the egregious not egregious gratuitous nudity with in the African. Yeah That I didn't mind because they were doing it to him as a joke. It was interesting The quirky moments like that worked for me. Oh sure. Yes just like u the kind of Yeah. cam fisted action like escalation. I didn't L's like the characters Who become hypnotized this movie by Tones and lightights This movie did hypnotize me by like tones and lights. Like I was like sort of transfixed watching it. I was too. notot sort of. I was transfixed, like watching it. was like And when I said I want to re watchatch it, it's because come on over, I own it I want to know like how it we end fixes like what Why? Like what did it do that u But u I own this movie And I want it to be passed down to my daughters. But like that ending is so crazy. I loved it when like Another actor is dressed as Reaggan now and she goes A Reagan will always be pazoozoos, Reagan. How could you not love that And her face is like changing back and forth between regular Regan and posess Reaged. Remember last episode when I said, Wh does Pazuzu's petals come from? Yes. Umar. Umar. He found out It's from Super Ego. so it's essentially from me or one of the other guys. I That's good Yeah, it was originally a reference in super ego. Yeah. thanks Sar for They're making a documententary on this movie, Brantley mentioned that where it's made. Yeah, and Brantley tried his hardest to try to I can't wait to I can't wait to see it becauseuse I want to know how this went down. Yeah why and all the but I The thing I was going to say was just that end too lge You know in Ghostbusters, the scene When like Dana is like on the bed And she's like seducing Peter Ragman. I always thought it probably is, but it's just like Oh, this is a comic version of the Eorcist scene where she's on the bed. Yeah. And instead of But then exorcist too, I'm like maybe this was the inspiration for Datea' like the seductorous devil of the bed. you can almost from the beginning see that something like this was coming in this movie and when it does, it's just oh And it's weird then too because in the first one C That character's sexualization is supposed to be Oh course like it's like repulsive. Yeah. Yeah. And so that it's a weird Moved and sequel is trying it sure is by making her be seductive to Richard Burton at the end, especially when she hasn't had like a great character to play through. Yeah. And it's no mistake like one of the first times you see her in this movie, she's kind of Rawllis and They're sexualizing her from afar in this a little bit. You know, it's not overt, but And then when she has that childlike voice, there's something so off about it. Yeah, I would have wanted the detective character to come back and to sexualize him Lee J Cob, Lee Jay Cob. He is sexy. Yeah. LeeJ Cob comes in all of his scenes. He's like in like a see through negwigje and he died of a heart attack at, you know He doesn't look that young but at a relatively young age. so you know he's just eaten rubens all day He's in the see through neglige with just a big Monte Cristo You know, How old was he when he died I think he was in his fifties. Maybe I don't know Um Yeah Be he people look, I mean, it's a thing, you know, people back then does this somehow dovetail back to the preservatives conversation we were having before M that like it is making people look Younger and people are living longer. We're not all walking around looking like cops. Yeah, but we will to the next generation. Yeah, it's inevitable. You know the thought I been ha recently is like, you know, when you're a kid and you're out playing with your friends He you're goofing off and then you look over and like an old man is like walking down the street by himself like really slowly But I was a kid I would think Oh, that sucks For him being an older A grown up. a very grown up He's gotten to he gets all these privileges. He gets to stay up late You know, what he gets to stand up and he gets to eat whatever he wants and watch whatever wants I was like, He's content with having to walk slow. Yeah Its he knows it's part of the deal. It's just sadly like doogged on me in the last like ten years S my, of course, as my body I feel aches and stuff and I'm aging. I'm just like Oh They don't like it. No. It sucks. Yeah. Yes they. That whole time, they're walking around being like, this sucks. Yeah. And through a child eyes, I was just like, oh They get to eat the ice cream whatever they want. It's the trade offff. No, they can't 'cause it inflames their arthritis. Yes, yes, yes And you don't want to stay up late. That's not the point that would you really know It's like the beauty is getting to go to bed at six. It really is. Well, anything else for you? I mean that's it. I'm really happy I watched this movie. I you know I love Bonkers As they say, Bonkers cinema. Me too. And I knew this movie was bonkers. I waited for a long time to watch it because I wanted to enjoy it. It lived up to its craziness. so I'm better for having watched it. I don't know that the movie was better for being made, but we gave the first exerorcist, we both gave it a thirteen, so I guess we just let that ride thirteenens for this one. What are you giving this guy? I'll give it a I'll give it a seven and a half You know, that feels exactly right for me too because I felt like an eight was too high but a A seven No, I gott to give it something for It is itself even if itself isn't that great. I have to h. It is doing its own thing. Yeah. It is. And you know what would have been boring actually, Matt, as if we had gone and watched a movie Exorcist too That is like tryinging to do the naturalistic slow bd thing and it's just they're done that and it's boring and not done well. So Yeah. Well, it sounds to me like exorcist three does a self correction back towards the first one. Yeah. But what blew my mind too, you know, when you just said this like they made this movie It was like Uh, you know, We just sort of talking about like, oh, what makes a sequel bad And this seems like What if it's Big sins is like, uh didn't question like why there it was just like a foregone conclusion. Like this movie was so successful The first one, we have to make a sequel, no matter what. Um that uh, ultimately earned like thirty million dollars at the box. It was a hit movie. Yeah It's crazy it took four years to do it. Yeah. and I don't know if that's still true to this day, but it seems like it was very true of that time, which was like Um If a movie was a big enough hit, the sequel could be like a real turd and it would still like more than make up. It's pure cash grab. Yeah. And I know that can still happen today where people get like tricked the first weekend because there's a new bl, you know, follow up to this movie and it's not as good but I I don't know of the like disparity between the first and second quality and the ability for a second one to still recoup a large amount or make a large amount of money. I'm like, I don't know if that particular like model could still no, but you're right. It was big at that time. like Arthur two was like that. I don't know how well it did, but it was such two. Yeah, the sting two. Jaws too Yeah Well Let's go to our third movie next time. I'm excited. Both you and I have never seen this movie. No, no. We've been talking about it for a long time. And yeah, speaking of like boyhood memories is I in the my the movie theater went to when I was a kid Exorcist three was plain. What year is it? nineteen ninety. ninety, ye. And nineteen ninety was like the summer where you know, I became like a movie guardl. G to movies every week and know what's coming out next And we had two theaters in our theater, two screens. and It like burned me that like one of the screens is being used for exorcist three and I can't see it and I don't want to see it. And but I'm so like movie mad now Well, I want to see kind of what it like and I remember like opening the door and like looking in and like watching exorcist three for a moment, being like, okay, I got to get out. My momob's here to pick me up. so Similarly mom and step dad were watching it at home. And I saw a couple scenes of it. but have since morphed in my mind, like In my mind, George C. Scott is like having a long back and forth dialogue with Brad Doriff's possessed character in a Havernous space. and I know that's not the case. And then I've since seen the jump cut has been shown to me the famous jump scare. I mean not the jumps c the jump scare. Have you seen the jump scare? I have, I have. So yeah, that's been a I guess a spoil for me, but maybe, you know, it'll still make one U jump. Yeah, scared. Yeah. Yeah.