WO

Wolf & Owl with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis

Ranga Bee & Platform Media

Fan Gifts and Final Thoughts

From Matching Tattoos, Conspiracy Theories and Kevin Hart RoastJun 15, 2026

Excerpt from Wolf & Owl with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis

Matching Tattoos, Conspiracy Theories and Kevin Hart RoastJun 15, 2026 — starts at 0:00

Hello Hello to Hello Wolf and Al o friends. Great to be here. It's good to be here. Really good to be a nice t shirt. Thank you very much. I've not worn just a t shirt on this before. No. I get kind of nervous about it. Where do you get nervous? Layers. They're nice. I like layers. You don't need to have a layer. I do. Arms look good boy. And the forearms look hench. Thanks. Yum, yeah. Yeah, what do you want? Beacle jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's preferred. Just kidding every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Oh this arm, if you look here, looks like a bit scaly. Yeah, that's because I've got a second skin on yep. Because I've got some ink done. New ink you looking good. Paul Boxel at Brothers and Arts. Shouts. But Boxmaister . We've got to we've got Carl, by the way, and Carl, yeah. Big up Carl. Both excellent. Both in the game read about yeah, let's do our reveal. Yeah. I've got one slightly more sort of Bert Krisner than yours . Look at that, baby. I don't know if this. We have got matching wolf and owl tattoos . Look at it. Yeah . Like a good boob . I thought of as soon as I realized we had to reveal it. That's right, baby. Wolf and Owl tattoos. Yeah, you can get out of the paws. You can get them paul box doing them for anybody that wants them. Yeah. It's well, how would you describe it was a caricature of Tom As a Wolf? Yeah . And it was now sort of sat on your back. Well, I will say that he's done an incredible job is at the first illustration he'd done the sort of like sniery look. I had to have a word of Paul because he'd done sort of a snery look and it looked like I'd had a stroke . So he sent it to me. He said, What do you think of this? I said, It is good. Is it better? You sent it to me and I went, I love it and you were like, Don't look like I've had a stroke. And then I said to Paul, can we destroy it a little bit? And if first for any people who get more stroke get in touch with your brother's answer, I want a wolf and Altato. Yeah, you can get it done . By the way, that booking system goes up quick way. Quick. He's booked up until May of next year . And Carl's similar. Yeah . Good slice by the way. Really good guys. Really good. I found by the way ,ool c alpha dogs , so lovely as well. At first when I first walked in I was like wow these guys are proper proper guys and I was a little bit not like nervous you know but there was two of the loveliest men ever . They're very kind to the two baiters that were getting . Weren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt like my tattoo arrangement up against theirs. I was like, wow, these guys really know what they're doing tattoo wise. Do you have any regrets ? No. And we've permanently marked ourselves with the cast now. Yeah. It's what we needed to do. Yeah. . I think I'm really considering getting the Romish face one on me somewhere . I don't think you should do that . Why? I just don't think you should do that. I don't know. Or just already got Roman's face on you. I have had you face on me. So you got my face on me. Yeah. John somewhere on me. Just written. Again, I would say that's a bigger mistake than getting me on you. Just like a little John there, JON No H. Yeah, okay . Why? I don't know. All right, okay. Slightly annoyed John. Anyway, we're very happy about it, aren't we? Very happy. It's an incredible moment. Yeah. It was like, it was like, you know, like sort of in like in sitcoms or soaps when someone like gives each one with each other like a kidney or something it's like a brother it's like brother brothers. Yeah, we're like we're bonded permanently yeah wow it actually feels like for the first time in life I've got, a brother. It's a shame in a way . What are you laughing at? Because I know what you're going to say. Because I don't know how long I'm going to be doing this for. Well, you'll quitt ating fifty, right? Yeah,. forty years Fifty yeah, yeah. You got two years. Yeah, so you got two years left of the popularity? Yeah. Less than two years now for the turn forty eight a few months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got two years, gets to fifty, and then you're walking away. see you. Abatar, Fire and Ash is now streaming on Disney plus . It's the film critics are calling the best Avatar yet. A true epic and completely jaw dropping. This is the only pure thing in this world. Return to Pandora on Disney plus. There will be an adventure for the whole family and watch the Oscar winning phenomenon at home. This is sad . Avatar Fire and Ash, now streaming on Disney plus rated PD thirteen . This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a fifty page restoration block , or finally break down that long article you've had opened for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online makes sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check Responses set up required compatibility and availability varies eighteen plus I'm walking away from it. That the holt where you're eating. No, I'm not really walking away from, but yeah, I'm going to there'll be a big step back in at fifty. You said this at forty five, I'm pretty sure if we go back. Yeah, yeah. I said, yeah, so I'm going to try to get it.. I've been planning this Instead of that you stepped it up. Yeah. No, certainly not. No. But I would say that most people wouldn't go, 'Robbish doesn't seem to be around as much as you know, but what I'm saying is I'm doing the things I want to do because I'm building up to the big step back. No, you know. Why don't you believe me? I know you're not . I just know you're not. I'm just going to do a couple of bits here and there, but people are going to go, What happened to Romash and you will be like Jordan, you know, Michael Jordan finished that he stepped back from the balls. Yeah. And then he tried to play baseball for a minute. Yeah. Well, there's sort of conspiracy talks about that. What do you mean? Well, some people say that he had to because it was this is a conspiracy theory is I don't believe it or may,be I do, but I'm not going to get to it. There was a whole thing about gambling . And he was he basically he was the biggest name in NBA . So he had to he had to sort of step away from it, but they made the baseball thing I think. That was just a conspiracy thing I read. I don't understand how that works because basically he couldn't play basketball because they were saying that there was some gambling betting . Right . Stuff . I know I don't know if you think that's an explanation, but it isn't. Yeah, but I don't want to get too involved in getting a conspiracy theory so I don't believe it. Yeah, I don't believe it. Okay. So here's what the theory and I don't believe it because I think Michael Jordan's the same. Okay, is that he there was some sort of match rig in basketball sort of and he was involved in and yeah he might. So you think Michael Jordan was wrong? No, I don't think that look s this is like you know this is quite a law I'm literally shaking like a shitting dog. Okay. I don't want to get on the wrong side of Michael Jordan. Sure. I don't think he'll listen to his podcast, but no if he if he is playing golf for someone who does listen to it and then go Hey Mike You heard these two little pricks over the bedder mills over in the UK talking about you met rigging Uh, yeah, I heard one of them was dark and large. Yeah, the other one's dark, by the way . Do you think Michael Jordan says the word dark? That's not Michael Queen says that is my Bobby. Bobby Quinn. Bobby Quinn, okay, fine. So Michael Jordan was rigging matches. And that's what the conspiracy is okay. And that's why he went to baseball. And then he came back. Right, okay. What I mean about what I was getting at is you, he couldn't step away from he is the game. Yeah, but I'm not the game that you are the game. Do you know what? I had a really interesting chat about you where you were away. Someone was saying that you've got like almost this godfather father like fil likem from some of the young acts we're saying how brilliant you are and how encouraging and how helpful and nice you are. Old. You know, no, yeah, but that's a nice thing. Well, look enjoy it while you can because you've only got two years left of it. Yeah, I'm girl, this is it. This is when your birthday again? I know it's March, right? Lisa's yet fifty girl, fifty in March. Sitting back and taking a literally by June it's like Lisa I'm gonna go down AV seeing run a couple of bits about retirement? No, I might do gigs here and there, but it's a big step back. You cut . I'm going to do like yeah, the big step back. I actually might call my tour the big step back. So yeah, you're stepping back tour, it will be an arena tour. It'll be a step back. Yeah, but that'll be like that. I'll tell you what, yeah, I've seen him stepping back. He's got his new sitcom stepping back where he plays for retired comedian. The reality show . B they way, that's a good idea because you've got four performances in your house. Yeah, but it'll be like the new Kadashi. It'll be a mini tour and the last date will be on my fiftieth birthday. Okay . And then I'll go It's been fun Fuck off . I actually feel sick. It's been fun. It's been fun . Peace. Thanks for the memories . And then what? Like green day Tom, your life blaze. Yeah Yeah . And then the car s wear back out like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah . And like literally people just sobbing like that . You know who you might end up like, Osie Osborne? What does that mean? Well, that he thought he was going to sit that's what was his plan was. Yeah. And obviously then everyone was like the kids were getting older. They wanted to move into so they started making the Osborns, right? And a bit like we're not going to make anything on that. Me right. So you're telling me now Theo, very cool guy, he'd be brilliant in a reality show. Alex has got some he's got some vibes. Do you mean? He'd be great TV, right? And then you got Charlie who's fast becomlying a West End superstar, right? You got three kids in the game, right? Lisa, we already know, has been in one of your other shows. She was great on camera. He said they'll come together and go wrong, what if we do like a reality show? Listen, Folk Cogan, if you want H to holdogan, that's out why don't tell . And Hogan knows, that's how that came about. Okay, but I'm stepping out and it could start you like that just as I thought I was at, like dragged me back in It's like that could be a vibe. You know what, you enjoy John's over there chuckling, right? You two gonna be so fucking sorry when it happens. No . And then I'm gonna block both your numbers. Oh shit. So you're not gonna have any friends eith er You're never , you two are not my only friend. No, you've got other friends. Of course you have a big word you're just gonna literally walk away. By the way, I just don't see it happening . If it happens , I will I will say you know what? Mark me wrong but I don't I might still do this podcast. We'll do this podcast and you're still going to do a massive tour and I'll still do my podcast. Yeah, and you still do your podcast is It an amazing podcast. I suppose I do the radio show. You do the radio show. Probably I'd imagine still doing the Odysseus a week I think. Yeah, I think that's Rob and Rob would be shame to see that go because I'd enjoy spending time with Rob . And then of course all my other endeavors. By the way, me and you at the moment, I've literally spent while you're away, I've spent some time getting something. I know I know I know. Before I'm fifty, isn't it? Well, hopefully, yeah, but it's a runner. It's not something I'm going with I've solemnly believed that there's a movie part from Roman Frank and Athen that literally blows the world away. I see it in the stars . And I'm telling you now that now you will get a role in the next two years which puts your name on the map as a bona fide Hollywood star. And I'm saying it. I'm saying it. No, that is not that isn't bullshit or blowing smoke. I'm telling you now. And if that doesn't happen, I will walk away yourself. You'll walk away. If I don't sorry, okay , can we clip this up? If I don't get away, I won't walk away because I'm not finished. I stayed. I didn't become a wife and daughter in that situation. I couldn't financially look, I don't, I do believe that will happen. That was very sweet if you're saying I think that is already happening for you. But anyway, enjoy it while you can because in less than two years viewers, this is Tom Davis, AKA the wolf. Do you believe in two years Romas will be hanging up his spurs? Or do you think like I do? This cowboy has got a couple of war rodeos left in his gut? No I'm not going to completely it's a step back.' Its not a step away . It's like a, you know, like a rolling contraction. Yeah. Okay. So are you telling me now? I mean, the other thing is the industry might decide that for me and then suddenly, you know , yeah, I think you know what I think it is ? I think it's psychologically more that for you. You're making your piece. It's like when you think someone's going to dump you , I don't even know if I'm making her knowing that the shit I don't think the industry does think that I think that's what you're doing. You're going to fine with it because I said I was going to step away after two years anyway, didn't I girl That's what you're making peace with it. But don't make peace with it. You're a juggernaut. Anyway, you heard it here first. If I am not a major Hollywood star within the next two years, Tom Davis will walk in the industry. Financially, I can't do that. I can't afford to. I'm not in a place where I can go, I'm just gonna fucking take a step back. Well, that's not, listen, it's not our fault that you've fucking indebted yourself up to the eyeballs 'cause you bought a house on the most affluent street in the country . I mean you bought that fucking castle. I knew the tourist baby. And why do you want to do traders? You're only fucking living on spend every day where I'm not gonna be voting . Mate, fucking that is that is good shit. Some of us are just warming up into this game man. You should invite twenty of your mates around and just do it at your house . What are you gonna do for your fiftieth birthday, by the way? Nothing. What? We could have a join one. Oh, by the way, the Club night has got well, you've been away, the club night has got a lot of heat. Okay, I want to talk about the club night because it has to there's like Martin Too Smooth very much getting involved. He's into it. Rob Percy Percy's involved. Rob Percy, by the way, that guy is like a hound. Had we also had messages from various brands. Some brands have gotten in touch and said they're willing to support it. So we are doing it. The question is when? Autumn? Autumn? Yeah. Okay. We're going to do it in the autumn . It's going to be small initially . I think we just do a dry run of it, not dry run. It might be dry with the amount of fucking W KD. Yeah, venue or other similar band brands? Well, whatever, you know what I mean? I'll give an example. Yeah, I don't know yeah. So it's going to be what we're going to call it. I think it's a warfare now club night . Yeah, but we need to get across the idea that yeah, that so what we're saying, what's the is it over thirty's? Yeah, over thirty's over even over thirty's Yeah, over thirty ' s, we did it over thirty. Over thirty's. So how is it going? How can I lay this out ? I think first of all, it's daytime. Has to be daytime. So I think three till ten. Yep, four till ten, something like that. Yeah. Finishes at ten though. Finishes at ten. And then all of the sort of stuff you get the old you know you'd get the blue orchard Goblot guys and the guys toilet go with the perfumes and aftershadows. Fresh lollipops. Yeah. Lollipops all yeah . All the drinks that you'd expect. Yep Everyone's got a dress up as well. Yeah, everyone's got a dress shoes from that in. No trainers. Yeah, no trainers. Yeah, no sports s top . Shirt, shirt, jeans. Yep. Yeah . Yep. Any other bands or musicians who want to come along? Yeah . PA from Live PA. PA from MB. Wait, this is going to be I think this is ace of base. Yeah . And DJ and wise what? We're going to have Percy. We're going to have it too smooth. Yeah. I mean, too smooth will have to step out of his normal comfort zone, but he'll play anything for anyone he's a Yeah. Percy. By the way, this is a major Rob Percy. Oh, baby. Rob Percy. He will absolutely ate this. Well, both of them will. Martin and Rob are going to absolutely and what mean you mean you are just like hosted the most? This walk around Schmoozy. Yeah, actually you could be the freshen up guy in the men's tournament. I'd do that. I always used to look at those guys and think well . Well, I would say from my experience of organizing these sort of nights. Yeah. What I don't want you to do is just wander around like a fucking Donnie. Oh, you're gonna motivate it's not gonna be a fun fight for you or for anyone else around you. You know what you should you should just like? I watched an American gangster Denzel Washington again great film and that moment when he comes out in the third coat, you should get your fur coat. What's that got to do with the theme of the night? Because he goes to a party and he's got a fur coat. Yeah, I know but he's not in the blue is he really like it ? What are you gonna wear by the way? I don't know. We got some garage there. It's all right. Yeah. Garage, a bit of house, then we got power ballads. Yeah, that the old days of Yeah, sing along. We could Yeah, I'll do single. Why don't you leave to sing along all day long? This is going to be great. The two things that have really blown up for us where you've been away that and of course our single . Love cries that crying out for us to do a football and well the slight issue with that is yeah, Bern's taken some shit things that we did and used AI to turn into a thing, right? Yeah . We can't use AI. No, we can't use AI, but I'm saying actually a s doong. Yeah, actually do a song. By the way, I was like, that AI is just a bass of going, actually, there's a tune. Yeah. And actually AI generated it, we weren't singing to a tune. No, no, but the words were I think you might be underestimating what the AI actually did no come and say the words were as and that's the thing that we struck out. Okay , his body turned to ash. Yeah. I think by the way I think that's the darkest bit. The funniest line is the game boy to play with his dog. That is the line of the Yeah. But actually my favorite line is I never tried it Bill. That's kinda, wow, who's Bill? What's he about? Yeah , yeah. But I think there's a song there. So I think we could actually do our own song at the night . Have you heard that? Have you seen this thing where people are turning text messages into songs? Have you seen that have we talked about this? The pick the pickup. Do you know the pickup song? No , this girl called Amber she said I put all my ex text into a tune and it's like I don't want to sing it anyway it's a it's so catchy and it sounds like a tune by notes the singer. And so then he recorded it and put it out with that like notes and amber have now got it out. It's like pick the fuck up now . I can't do it. I can't sing it anyway. It's amazing song. But this is what we can do. That IO has done a version of that. Yeah just, we then take that song and we record it with us. Yeah, okay. The problem is that notes could sit that song was done in the silo of notes and he was able to sing it like that. Can you sing it like the AI generated? Okay the A hot break is the hardest thing . It's the hardest thing, old friend s. Yeah, yeah, it's more American than it. Hot break is the hardest thing. You're getting a bit because the hardest thing, old friend , heartbreak is the hardest thing. It'll kill you in the end . I mean , I'll get some lessons. Yeah, okay. All right. I think we're still quite far away. I think the club night is probably easier. But anyway, the club night is happening. What I don't want to do is perform that song at the club night. Club perform that. That's kind of what you were suggesting. The direction you're moving. It's another song. Okay, fine. And we do one. We can do one in the autumn in London. Yeah, and do one up north . Okay.. Later in the year Yeah, all right, fun. Oh my this is so cool. It's exciting, isn't it? Yeah. Maybe we'll go out together and get like five hundred ones, YSL shirts. Yeah, you can buy that. You don't have to buy that , you know how to. Patrick Cox is Bill, you have one of these? I'm trying to think I used to be like a wireless I might actually get wiggles. Yell shirt jeans. Have you seen those really those wig things you get that proper two pays? A guy contacted me about two pays and he's like, Look, if you want to come in and try on these , I might get a two pay for it. Have you seen the guys like the hair systems where they glue them on? We wear them for like weeks at a time? Yeah, I might get one of those for this . Just Tom ple,ase , like, for the weeks around it, get a hair sister. I'll get a hair sister. I would have fucking love to see it. It depends if I'm working but yeah for the night I'll get a hair sister. Yeah, I'll get a yeah. Yeah, I mean like Lowing you might pull out of the night because somebody's come in. No, no, won't no. I'm so looking forward to this. I can't tell you. It's going to take a bit of organisation though, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, but yeah, that's what lucky enough we're surrounded by a really, really good team of organizers. You know, it'll be great for organising. Van Green. He'll love an accomplishment. He'd love a code. Yeah, he will love it, but I don't think he should be organised . Who did John? Jean ? Well, I just think when we say these things , Flow and the team off the curb starts to get nervous . John's looking nervous because what they know is that we spout off a load of shit on the podcast. Yeah, but I think you know then we said we're ready to chat we're going to put it on and need this need. We this What are you okay? Tell me what you 've arranged to do this. You know who'll be like? What avon is stringer bell ? Okay, but tell me what you're going to do when this podcast finishes to make this happen Today we're just John and go right what were we looking at venue wise? Will you just give me one job to do this and I'll fucking I'll get on it. Okay, so at ticketing Okay, cool. We' liked draw the tick ets. Draw the tickets . What make a cool looking ticket? No. What have you been ticketing? There's not gonna be physical tickets Okay, well there would have been back in the day, right? Yeah, you'd have got a physical ticket. Oh yeah, but we can't be asked to fuck around with that camera getting a physical ticket. Okay, so you just have it on your phone. Yeah , physical actually ran about I think we're going to go back to the night. Did you have physical tickets to night clubs? Didn't you just pay on your way? On your way we can't do that. Yeah. Oh, you know what we could have Wolf and Owl bucks? What does that get here? Like drinks and stuff you buy your drink with your wolf and our bucks. It's like you know if you go to Lapland UK and you buy the I get it. I get it yeah wolf and our bucks yeah I don't like know a wolf buck is worth five pounds and our buck is worth ten . It's like, yeah, wow, look at this. Fucking out my wolf and our bucks. And some people keep them make them into chains, pendants . Yeah, okay. I don't know about the bucks. I think you're adding a lot of needless logistics and then cut to you talking to John Going where the fuck of the bucks . I mean, it's fucking wool for our bucks, mate . I've had the idea. You make it happen . What are you doing John? What are you doing? I'm supposed to see the fucking buck prototype today . This is exciting. Very excited. I'm very excited about it. Not really. Lisa coming? I mean, we've thought about it now. I'm yeah, I'm gonna invite I'm close with Lisa Theo. Is Theo coming? man. The 's over thirty ' s, isn't it? Oh yeah, it's true. Yeah. It's break the rule. It's going to struggle. Only at least it's only twenty three, of course. I think if we do it year after next lease, it might be out to come . But okay, we're, this is exciting. Yeah. When you finally find your thing , you want the whole world to know about that thing . So you use a thing called Canva to make it an even bigger and better thing . Whether you want to create f ires for that thing, make presentations for that thing, or design merch for that thing, you can do anything so people can see your thing, feel your thing , love your thing. The next thing you know , it's a thing . Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing . The summer serve up the cookout classics, craft o M anday dress ing. Toss green salads with delicious ranch dressing or zesty Italian. Serve smooth, cravably creamy potato salads with mayo. We all know it's not a cookout without craft. Did you watch the Kevin Hart Roast? Yes , yeah. Okay, first of all, what's your opinion on roast comedy? I don't think I tried it on here and I was awful at it. I don't think it's something I' d be particularly good at . Do I enjoy it? Yeah, I enjoy if someone's really good at it. I think if someone's exceptional at it I think Nicki Glazier loved her on the Tom Brady one. I think if you're really good at it, I think yeah, it's a good thing to say. Tom Brady was actually good on the Kevin Holly. He was yeah. I think he was good. Obviously he didn't write any of it, but no, I think I thought Cheryl Cheryl Underwood. Cheryl Underwood? Yes. Was it outstanding? I thought she was player of the match. By a long way , yes. And the rock did what the rock would do at a racism. And can we talk about can we talk about one particular aspect of that with the grass regardys to rock. Now was it everybody got excited late on in the evening the rock comes off I'd say after Cheryl underwood it sort of like it needed something. Yeah. So the rock comes on looking immaculate everyone's buzzing their tits off he's here his entrance by the way. Can I just say I will say this right? When you do it because as you're well aware I sometimes go so big when I'm about to start a tour show that I think I can't actually follow it the act itself is the entrance is so big and grand . It's kind of fucking mad. You're always very funny. If I introduce you to stage, you always come up and give me a look to say, Why the fuck have you done that? Why are you literally like you're introduced a boxer? There's not a fight happening Some jokes. So when I watched the rock, I was like, okay, now you What was his entrance? He did. Can you stop? So he comes out it looks unbelievable. It's incredible. Could I save it away the weight loss on him? Amazing. Yeah, yeah, really good. Because he was looking like a fat fuck before, wasn't it? No, but it's good for him to lose your fucking timber if you're flubby . So anyway, so he comes out, looks great. Starts doing the jokes. I thought the stuff was great. Yeah, and delivered it beautifully. He's a funny rock is funny. He's charismatic as well. . The bit that I thought was weird. Yeah , it's a really interesting because I don't know exactly I think earlier in the night, I think one of the most exciting moments of the evening is when Cat Williams comes out incredible. Who actually hates Kevin Hart, right? Yeah . You don't believe that? I think if you really hated someone. So I don't think he likes him. And he does think he's in industry plant and he does think he's a sellout. Yeah, yeah. I agree then. But I will say that yeah, go. So he comes out and he says something about Kevin Hart engaging in Coonery, basically, right? Which is kind of like just undermining your culture and race for the benefit of the white audience, right? Yes, sort of that's kind of a rough explanation. So anyway, the rock says to Kevin Hart they're about to have a drink and the rock says to Kevin Hart, come and sit on my knee, you right . And the audience start getting excited . And Kevin Hart is thinking about it and Shane Gillis, I don't even remember this, he says don't do it because then Cat Williams will be right. Oh shit, you heard him say, I didn't? Yeah . So basically what he's saying is do not make a mug of yourself here by sitting on the rock's knee and because it's embassy. So then Kevin So then you got this awkward thing where the rock I mean if you watch your back this is my recollection of it is the rock thinks that this is going to be a moment Kevin Hart is now in a quandary because basically it's a bit of a weird move . And then so then he sort of refuses because I don't fucking do it and it gets an awkward moment the whole sucker titty thing. But that's so that's the other thing . The rock is saying to him , suckle at my suckle on my teeth away. Yeah, yeah. But that's, you know what this is, right? I'm a believer in it. I think he's got and you see this happen, right? You see I need to be very careful because I don't never want to be horrible about the rock. No, not about the rock, but because there's someone else on the So I did a charity night recently. Great lineup, brilliant lineup. Some of our really good friends on the lineup. Yeah . And there was a person on there who wasn't a comedian. Nice guy, good guy. Yeah, goes up to do a bit for the charity. So he's talking about the charity and he goes into a bit when he's doing a bit of spill a and he's doing a bit and he gets a couple of laughs and he's a funny charismatic person. He gets a couple of laughs and we're all up there and we're told ten minutes no longer. All of a sudden this guy's doing fifteen minutes right and it's going on because he's got those laughs and all that and he got anxiety . And you see it happen like comedians as well. Yeah, it does it does. But most of us go, well, I'm here for ten minutes. Even if from crushing it or whatever, you go, I'm here for ten and I'll go. And he could see see you can someone going, this is fucking great because even when they come off, he's like this I could do stand up and you're like a charity cow by its very nature great but they're always very lovely g andiving you, what know I mean? It's a very different thing. You know, and I think that's what happened to the rock, but also I think like everyone now, as you say, he's after the moment go viral . And so all that stuff, I was also I thought Kevin Hart incredible when he came back his race at the end . His race at the end. I think the talking point of like Hinchliff's joke. So Hinchliff's joke was George George Floyd would be looking up looking up at you and not able to breathe. Something like that, wasn't it? It'd be laughing so much that they'd be looking up at you and unable to breathe. I just didn't think like I look at it and think why have that joke? Like that is that not even a's jo . Well, so it's look he is a very controversial figure . He says some stuff, outlandish stuff. I will say that I think I've seen him on roast and think he's brilliant. I think he's done roast where he's been very he's a roast comic , you know, he doesn't he's good at that. I'm like, Why that roast wasn't about so that roast and itself the joke of itself is like when you're looking across the Diaz is it called? The Dais, the Dais Dais. So you're looking across that. What like all the people there is the point that's going to be the aim of what you're doing. The aim is supposed to be Kevin Hart, right? Why do you need to make a joke about a guy who's been killed in police custody? That's the thing why I'm sitting there it feels pointless as to like so your joke your joke about Kevin isn't that strong. You haven't got enough stuff so you,'re having to then dra g in something else to put I think he's looking for a shock. If you mentioned George Floyd is going to be shocking and so what people are reacting to is the very mention of George Floyd and then he's looking up . Some people have said like either it means he's looking up because there's a police officer stood over him or he's in hell , right? I think I think it's he's in hell because he's saying George Floyd would be looking up. So he's suggesting that's where he is now . But the thing is, right, that's not it's not a joke. No, not like I'm pretty unoffendable as I think you are as well. I think with comedy, I think that ye,ah it's like it a' rosast, right? And you can go and it anyway. But that is not a joke and it brings into question the thing of like, you know, people talk about white writers being on that show and making jokes about, you know, I think Shane Gillis, there was some attention book to his what did he say would have to you'd have to lynch him from a boneside tree, right? Yeah. So there's all this stuff that's like it's a bit, you know, there's been a bit of uproar about it. And I understand I sort of understand both sides of the argument. Do you know what I mean? It's like all bets are off off , but the thing is if you're coming into that, I think it's one thing if you're coming into that not having regularly made those jokes before and then you decide to push the push like be a bit edgy or I think sometimes the problem is where it's coming from, right? So if you I'm not saying you have a word, but if you made a racist joke at a roast, right? Yeah, people would go, I know Tom doesn't mean that because I've never heard him say I'd just say my big thing with all this. Yeah, god above anything else is that through the whole thing is that when you go back and watch the Tom Brady one and Charlie Sheen Roast or Justin Bieber's roast or numerous other roasts. And if you actually break those down, they're about a person's character . So I think it's the same thing I've said for the last fifteen years about your eye. I think if I'm ever at a point where if someone sits me in the street and makes a joke I of it'm. like, I'd be embarrassed if that's the thing that I'd be going at . So I found that when they're making jokes about Kevin Hart, they're not actually about his character and not about Kevin Hart, they're about race and about mine. They two' thingsre. They're two easier things. So it's not any cunning and it's not any cleverness to write those two things because they're actually not going at Kevin. The only person he actually did was Tom Brady gone out of Toregas to deal with my affairs. Yeah. He's the only person really who's gone and think Cheryl Underwood did. Chery underwood, by the way, out of everyone at that is almost like the Roser Sherwell Underwood or Chelsea Handler. I think both those two have taken more of a kick in on a personal level than Kevin did. Yeah. I don't think Kevin anyone so then you go into a place and going, is this whole thing? And cat, obviously when cats come on, cats undergo. But actually for a lot of it, they're not really going in at Kevin for that. No , so they then are used looking at a place where it's like, yeah, we' ll have a roast but you're not going to you're not allowed to mention this, this, this, which very much by the nature of what roast is completely making you lose any sort of weight of what it actually means and so you're drawn into a place where you're like any of this is just it could that could just be about any person from that world. Like do what I mean could be about any short person or any bad person? It doesn't need to be about Kevin Hart. So I think when I when I talk about Nicki Glazer or whose people are really, really good at it . You know, I think like Jeffrey Jeff Ross from every finger , you know, he takes he always takes a kicking on those things. Yeah, you know, but it's about Jeff Ross about his appearance, about Jeff Ross is, you know, whatever his sex life is eight, whatever, but it's about Jeff Frost and that's where I sat there and watched. I was like, you know, I love Kevin. I like Kevin Hart. I'm not hate , but I'm like, none of this seems to be about you. It's about I mean, the stuff they said about the women was horrible . like I Chelsea Handler's. I thought she was incredible. I think she handled it with. Well, she was obviously pissed off about it and then kicked back against it. And I thought Shane Gillis, when Shane Gillis wasn't I think he's one of my favorite comedians. I love Shane Gillis. I think he's very funny but I was like, he also you know gave it to Chelsea Chelsea gave it to him. I think that's also carried on after what's insane is everyone's kind of had that oh yeah we'll wear it and the aftermath of it has almost been like a boxing or a football match where people have walked away and there's clearly a bone of contention about all of it. Yeah . I watched it thinking this is not for big tummy d. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean , you came down to the last two, didn't you for the last spot on it . Could you imagine? The one thing I don't know who do you know who was brilliant on it? Was the guy who's come up with Kevin? Who? Oh , the writer who turned around at the end and said they promised us to land on a mule. Oh, God, we got our mule. I thought that was one of the best. That's what I mean. That's a joke here. That was that was good. That was really good. One of the things I don't understand about that is why the fuck and I know they're mates of Kevin Hart so whatever, why the fuck you'd want to sit on that dais if you're not part of the road? No . Well, you know who's also brilliant? Who's the woman who buried out? It's like it was his dead nan. Oh , his dead . Was it Regina Hall? Oh mate, she was fucking. That's the sort of stuff if I was going to do it I'd like this is surreal and it's a bit fucking mad It's very funny Yeah I did want to address this before we go to Tom's big closer but obviously Tom and I have been talking about you and I've been talking about a run of this year. And it turns out that there are a lot of men want to smash or be smashed by you. Yeah. And you do I think you didn't you didn't think it would be quite as big as it is. And then I started. Well, you played me some voice notes and they were a lot. Yeah . So yeah , it turns out you got a big following. Yeah. And you know what? I appreciate it everyone of you very much. Thank you for being a part of the journey. Yeah. Maybe maybe not so many graphic pictures graphic pictures I don't need, but you know what your support and love is all good here, baby. Right, Tom, can you take us out this please? Yeah Yeah. . A magnifying glass, friend. What's it to do? Magnify things, Tom ? Yeah, I guess so . But do we need a magnifying glass for that? How do we look inside ourselves without a magnifying glass? How do we look at the small feelings that become big feelings or the big feelings that should become small feelings? I guess what I'm saying is how do we look deep down? How do we examine ourselves? The moods we're in, the moves we make ? How do we think about those things? See, exteriorly it's always good you can look. I feel upset because it's raining or I feel happy because it's sunny, but the weather isn't really that deep. The truth is, you are . What I want you to do today is I want you to look inside yourself and say, How do I really feel today? Am I happy? Could I be happier? Are I sad? Could I be sad? Could I be happy ? Am I sad? Why? Why am I feeling sad? Sit with the feelings for a little bit. Sit with them and think, why do I feel this way? See, it's always easy to blame other things , whether people other stuff . That's examining the real reason, getting to the root of it . That can be the most beneficial thing of all. So imagine you've got a little magnifying glass. And imagine that you look in a mirror and very much it's like an x ray that you can look inside yourself. And when you look inside yourself you won't just see bones and organs and blood and stuff you might just catch a glimpse of what's really going on deep down and when you see that thing, go, Huh, wow, that's a feeling . I'm alive . Sit with it, enjoy it, and remember, you're the best. Am I happy? Could I be happy ? Oh my god. Thank you so much for hold of those. Do you know I guess I need to do a shout out? There was a guy who came to the Chatham show. He loved a young man. And afterwards, he waited and he came out a long chat with him. And I won't name him because I don't think it's fair and he reach out about it. But he gave me a book and in the book it was loads of my stupid witches not put it together. He put it a beautiful book and he put it together. He's an incredible young man, he's been through a lot . And I found the book very touching. I also wrote the book with grats and was like, Oh my god, I've said a load of fucking stupid moronic things, but it meant a lot. It was a really, really sweet gift. Yeah. And I cherish that and yeah. Big shout out to you man. Thank you so much for giving that to Tom and I really enjoyed my gift as well. Oh , he loves you. He actually's got a picture of you as well. Can I say he yeah he also by the way, someone showed me a picture of you with them. You look so fit. It was like it was you in peak running Wom now. No actually, it's you weirdly think you're actually filling out quite nicely muscular. You're doing some weights, right? Yeah, yeah, good. Nice . You got some nice weather . Okay, this is also sharp sauce. Oh my god . Original source what's happened with original source? Original source sent me a load of sent have they sent us? They have been touched that you're apparently going to send it to me . So anyway, original source, thank you. Thank you. We mentioned your shower gels and they've sent a care package to each of us. Cool. Thank you very much for that. Thank you so much for that. Our balls goose thank . Got actually I don't want to make this on even longer. This is the last bit. Can I just say there's a sort of toilet paper that you have that makes your button so itchy and it literally goes all the way to your gooch into your ball bag with itchiness . It's like it's had it itching powder. I want to find out what toilet paper is but I used it the other day in a pub after a dump and it absolutely destroyed me. I mean who's taking a shit at a pub Ladies and gentlemen , friends , if you take a shit at a pub and it's not an emergency, it's just a normal night out , you deserve to have a fucking allergic reaction to the toilet this year . You can't reason with the sun. Trust us, we've tried. This summer, it's time to put that angry ball of fire on mute. Columbia's omni shade technology is engineered to protect you from the sun's harsh rays that can burn and damage your skin . The sun is relentless, but so is our gear. Level up your summer at Columbia. com to spend more time outside and less time slathering on aloe lotion. You're welcome. Columbia ,ine eneredg for whatever . Radio head motion picture house, Kadamisa movie and art installation experience has been extended due to the popular demand for july twelfth at the Brooklyn Navy Aird . Buy your ticket today at radiohead dot com Like a subscribe

This excerpt was generated by Smart Features

Listen to Wolf & Owl with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis in Podtastic

For listeners, not advertisers

All podcast names and trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Podcasts listed on Podtastic are publicly available shows distributed via RSS. Podtastic does not endorse nor is endorsed by any podcast or podcast creator listed in this directory.