The Liberation of Rome and Legacy

The History Channel, original podcast After their victory over Germany and North Africa American generals want to attack the Third Reich directly through Northern Europe The Prime Minister Winston Churchill and the British believe an operation of that size and scope is premature failure would be catastrophic. Churchill proposes they attack Germany from the South for what he considers the soft underbelly of Europe Italy This is World War two with Tom Hanks Episode eleven In may, nineteen forty three, The Prime Minister of Great Britain and the President of the United States Meet in Washington, D C for the third time since American entry into the war Rarely in history have political leaders forged as personal a bond as Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt Churchill still feels he's the senior partner He can get what he wants out of Roosevelt So after Tunis, after the big victory in North Africa, Churchill's argument is that there's one logical next step and that next step is Sicily So campaigning in the Mediterranean will not only knock over one of the three big Axis powers, Mussoliniis, Italy It will also open a back door to Hitler's Germany And the American commanders are saying, why? Let's just go straight for Berlin. What are we doing? Why are we dancing around the edges here with this Mediterranean nonsense And they think that Franklin Roosevelt is being persuaded by Churchill's pretty words There were charges then andense Churchill wanted to go up through the bottom of Europe. in order to preserve the British Empire Britain was a Mediterranean power. The Americans suspected that this was all about defending British interests in Egypt in the Suez Canal that controlled India and the Persian Gulf where British oil was FDR is not interested in preserving the British Empire But he understands there are sound strategic reasons to capture Sicily And one of Churchill's arguments was they had these commitments to take some pressure off the Soviet Union Joseph Stalin has been pushing for a second front Churchill says, you have all of these armies that are now freed up after the North African campaign is over. What are you gonna to do with them? They're right there. The truth is that the Allies still don't have enough actual material to conduct a cross channel invasion and land in France Allied military leaders are already planning a cross channel invasion Operation Overlord. But it will not be ready for months to relieve the military pressure on the Soviets and sustain the momentum established by the victory in North Africa. FDR agrees to attack Sicily. A Sicily They will pull, let us say, the Allied A team out of the Mediterranean. the leadership team Most of the landing craft, most of the airp Eploy it to Great Britain to begin Finally preparation' in earnest for an invasion of Western Europe. Church iss like, Yes, of course. I'm sure things will go really fast. We're back in time for a nice early D day in nineteen forty four. He goes, lookook, we're all dressed up, we're ready to go to the ball. Let's do Sicily The invasion of Sicily is given the cod nameame Operation Husky At the time, Operation Husky is the biggest amphibious operation in history. The scale of shipping and manpower is unprecedented. They're going to put on shore one hundred sixty thousand troops Both Italian and German troops opposed the Allied landings But the Allies achieve surprise and quickly secure the beaches You've got two field commanders on Sicily, Montgomery for the British Montgomery is given the key role, Patton for the Americans. Patton's job is really as a shield The British eighth Army under General Bernard Montgomery will advance north to Messina while the American seeventh Army, under General George Patton, guards his left flank If you get to Messina, any troops that are on Sicily cannot cross back over into Italy proper And now you've captured all the troops that are on Sicily and you own Sicily. And that's especially crucial for the German divisions, so that the Allies won't have to face them at some future point in some future battle As in North Africa, British and American forces are required to operate as one force This is a really ambitious attempt bring two nations to with two different traditions Very, very close into harmony But as you might expect, there'seth in trouble Montgomery and the British senior commanders all had a similar attitude to the Americans, which is they're green. There were disasters and setbacks in North Africa. They're still learning their trade. We've been at this since nineteen forty on the other hand, thinks Montgomery has no kind of understanding of what American servicemen can actually achieve B bothoth armies in horrendous conditions The mountain is terrain the one hundred plus degree heat. Thousands are filled by malaria Sicily in the summertime is incredibly hot It is disease ridden Fighting there is brutal for everyone.. Facing stiff German resistance, Montgomery's army stalls He's given access to the road Patton's arrmy has already taken Patent goes ballistic To his credit, Patton doesn't just sit there seething He comes up with a plan. What Patton sees is a drive north up to Palermo would put a feather in his cap The Americans overrun the western half of Sicily before the Germans and Italians know what is happening Patton captures the Sicilian capital of Palermo less than two weeks after the initial landings This is the signal moment for the U.S Army so far in World War two Patton forces are greeted in the streets of Palermo by civilians who are never one hundred percent on board with fascism anyway And they're going to greet the arriving American army as liberators yet again Adolf Hitler must adjust for Italian military weakness. His major ally on the European continent Benito Mussolini seems unable even to defend his own home territory Benito Mussolini and his Italian fascist movement had set the stage for Adolf Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany. S is here in a bstom Mi is the inventor of fascism, is the embodiment of the virity of the fascist men And in the early phases of this relationship, Hitler himself looks up at Mussolini and he aspires to do what Mussolini has been able to achieve in Italy Hitler consciously copied Mussolini's grab for power femalism the political tactics. The violence But Mussolini no longer commands an iron grip on his nation, like Hitler does Mussolini's war has brought Italy nothing but misery The Italian people wanted very little part of this war at the beginning. They want no part of it now. Things cannot go on like this. Hitler's getting situation reports of what's going on in Sicily, basically saying the Italians aren't fighting He makes the decision to go to Italy to put some spine into Mussolini He is shocked by the sight of Mussolini, who's really a broken man after the defeat in North Africa There isn't much fight left in him and Hitler is horrified, boy, what hes seeing Hitler harangues Mussolini for hours about his failures. His failure to instill a warlike spirit into the armed forces, his failure to make true fascists of the Italian people, his failure to prosecute the war with sufficient vigor And Mussolini has no choice but to sit there and take it as Hitler and Mussolini meet The Allies begin a bombing campaign on Wome The news comes as a shock to Mussulini and he tries to convey to Hitler the gravity of the situation Hitler continues as if nothing had happened bombing Rome It adds fuel to this already simmering fire of questioning and doubt about Mussolini's leadership The Bombing of Rome is a shock to the Italians Battles have been fought elsewhere But now the price of Mussolinia is war ks home. There's grumbling in the streets Mussolini thinks he has the fascist brand council in his pocket. He thinks he has the top leadership in the military in his pocket He thinks he has the king in his pocket Por Ermanuel III has been the king of Italy since nineteen hundred And he's the one that handed the government over to Mussolini in nineteen twenty two. On july twenty fifth, the day after the Fascist cououncil passes a vote of no confidence for Mussolini. The King summons him to his palace he's told not to wear his uniform. This should have been an indication to him that trouble was afoot and his wife in fact, advises him not to go Mussolini tells her, no problem. I've got this But the king has Mussolini arrested He's rushed away in the back of an ambulance to hide him from public view. been healing. Pention His Majesty the Emperor King has accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Benito Mussolini His twenty one year fascist reign is over. The fall of Mussolini leads to a very confusing situation. The new head of state is the marshal of the Italian army, Pietro Badolo He actually makes an announcement that the war goes on, We remain Germany's loyal ally After Mussolini is deposed FDR addresses the nation My fellow Americans Our terms to Italy are still the same Unconditional surrender Publicly, Badoyo states repeatedly that the war effort is going on alongside the Germans privately is actually starting to make arrangements for the Italians to get out of the war. Bedelvio signals that Italy might be open to an armistice He sends one of his generals to secretly negotiate directly with the Allies Bagolio might wish to surrender But he needs to have someone at his back. He knows that there will be retribution from the angriest man in Europe at the time and that will be Adolf Hitler In Sicily, Paton's army leaves Perma to get to Messina, while the British are advancing from the south. Meanwhile, the Germans are taking advantage of the delay in getting to Messina to begin getting off the island effectively the German Dunkk because pretty much everyone who could walk and was able bodied got off and not only that, they got off with all their equipment The entire purpose of the Allied operational plan was to trap the Germans on Sicily and they fail. Still, things in Sicily go pretty much as Churchill would have wished. Not only do Allied troops successfully drive AxIis forces out of Sicily also proves to be the death knell of Mussolini's fascist regime With a potential deal for an Italian surrender in the works, FDR and Churchill meet in Quebec. And it's at this point that Churchill was able to say to Roosevelt, lookook The Italians are pulling out of the wall We have an opportunity to bloodlessly take The Italian peninsula, you know, what's not to likek in this operation Churchill says, The Italians are begging us to come and help liberate them and switch sides. We could be in Rome in a couple of weeks here. if we land in Italy It'll be a cakewalk. We can't do Sicily and then go home FDR agrees, but only with assurance that Operation Overlord will remain the Allies's highest priority The difficult trade off in the Italian campaign is that the key resources, the landing craft and the best troops are going to go back to the UK to prepare for D day Supreme Allied Commander Dwight Eisenhower now picks one of America's youngest generals to lead the Italian invasion Car. commander of the U.S. Fifth Army Clark has a flare for Chowmanship. Because once you pin on a star, you're also becoming a little bit of a politician as well Mark Clarark has an immense amount of talent, but he also has a corresponding ego. He travels with a press corps. He will only let them take pictures of his favorite side, which I think is his left side based on all the pictures we see of him The Allied strategy in Italy calls for two large forces The first will land in and around Calabri And the second will land a few days later at Salero The two forces will then link and push north towards Rome. At Calabria, Montgomery's eighth Army lands almost uncontested The Beagolio was supposed to take to the airwaves on the evening of september eighth and announce the Italian surrender. And this is crucial to the plan because it will tell the hundreds of thousands of Italian troops are in beach defense positions not to fire at the Allies as they land At his headquarters, Eisenhower waits by his radio The Salerno landings are just hours away six hundred thirty comes no Bagolo Seven o'clock, noobolio. The entire plan hinges on a well announced orderly Italian surrender Eisenhower decides to force the issue by going on the radio himself The Italian government has surrendered its armed forces unconditionally All Italians who now act to help eject the German aggressor from Italian soil will have the assistance and the support of the United Nations Hitler anticipates the announcement of the armistice From the moment Mussolini falls, Hitler is convinced that Bedolia's government is going to withdraw from the war For weeks, Hitler has been moving German troops into Italy He orders Operation Axis The Germans have an operation they've been preparing, which is that If the Italians do the dirty on us, we're going to disarm them and we're going to take over the security of all of Italy Italy will become an occupied nation Sometimes historic events suck But what shouldn't suck is learning about history I do that through storytelling History that doesn't suck is a chart topping history telling podcast Chronling the epic story of America decade by decade from the eighteenth century to the twentieth Original music and immersive sound design accompany us on our storytelling journey Listen to and Follow History That Don't Sck, an Odyssey podcast available now on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts Operation Axis is the disarmament of the Italian army and the occupation of the entire Italian boot by German forces. It occurs with lightning rapidity. The Italian army is on its back foot They aren't so sure about who they should be firing at if anyone Local Italian resistance movements form and fight the Germans Nazi retaliation is fierce The Italians were being executed by the Germans after they switched side and a lot of terrible things going on, villages wiped out. when the Allied invasion force lands at Salerna They believe they'll be welcomed by Italian troops Underlying this operational plan is intelligence that the German army may evacuate Italy that it has no desire to defend Italy If all goes well, the Allies should be up to Rome with almost no casualties at all So what they're going to do is they're going to land without any ree bombardment, and they're going to hope for tactical surprise The Allies are expecting to meet happy Italian faces, perhaps handshakes, taking over Italian positions now that Italy had surrendered And instead, what the troops at Soalerno experienced was a wall of German fire wholeo of the beach is being saturated with shellfire It's an absolute inferno It was a grim experience for those first few crucial days in which they're trying to defend the beachhead And it's the fighting at Salerna that really convinces Hitler to make them fight for every inch of Italy. Hitler moves more forces to defend Italy He also discovers that Mussolini is being held at a hotel in the Apenine Mountains and decides to take action Others just can't quit Mussolini, apparently. He orders a commando raid onto the Grand Sault to rescue Benito Mussolini That force land. Ocomes Mussolini's guards Mussolini is flown back to Germany Hitler thinks that Mussolini would give legitimacy to the German occupation of Italy For the rest of the war, Mussolini will be ruling a kind of puppet regime in Northern Italy But he's a shadow of the figure who used to strut across the world stage in the nineteen thirties. The situation has changed drastically since Mussolini was the top dog and Hitler the imitator to now Mussolini as Hitler's lap dog After a massive air and naval assault, Clark's fififth Army breaks out of Salerno. and moves inland a modern mechanized army is going to experience great difficulty in driving north because the Germans recognize the terrain is going to do half the work for us Lountn ranges, ravines and fast flowing rivers made Italy a sort of natural fortress. What Germans do effectively is scorched ear policy. They rip up the railway tracks, they flood the river valleys, they make it almost impossible to move through this terrain unless you've taken the high ground. very clear very quickly that they were going to struggle to fight their way up the Italian Peninsula General Mark Clark relabeled Churchill's description of Italy as the soft underbelly as the tough old gut. It is said that all roads lead to wrong But in the fall of nineteen forty three for the Allies, there was only one Highway six as Allied forces are lured deeper and deeper by moving north up highighway six. The German strategy very quickly becomes we're going to set up a series of defensive lines and you come to us and we will then maul you It looked a lot like World War One defenses look There are mines and mortars and machine guns On the high ground, you'd have artillery observers who could have a full view of the advance of the Allies, and they would call artillery to fire on the advances The frustration grows with the costliness of this advance. The slowness of this advance up the boot There's some historical wisdom here, and it traces back to the great Napoleon who once said, Italy is a boot And like all boots. has to be entered from the top where there' a nice broad plane, plenty of room to manoeuver From the toe of Italy after coming from Sicily. Look at the terrain of Italy, Big mountain range all down the center spine This is the big problem in Italy. Who would want to put an army into that area, especially if it's raining It rains every day And General Clark once said, Anyone who ever talks about sunny Italy should be here in October, which is when the Allies were there Gains are measured not in miles, but often in yards The Italian campaign soon turns into a slog for the Allies. And it's sapping their energy. They're wet, they're cold, they're tired. All of that is draining morale as well as manpower. One of the things that they resort to is using mules to carry supplies forward because at least mules can get through that kind of terrain in those kind of conditions I think it's fair to say when the war began, in the war department in Washington, no one was thinking of mules arrguably the most horrendous fighting that the Western Allies had to experience in the whole of the European theatre. There's no question that some of the Americans who've given the go ahead for the Italian campaign are now having second thoughts Churchill and the British commanders promised the Americans that basically Italy would fall relatively quickly Churcho argues again and again that it would be folly not to continue once one has set out on the Italian campaign, arguing they must capitalize on their gains what do you do Evacuate Italy, No, you fight the enemy in front of you you know, you'rebrawled in a massive, costly brutal war in Italy Highway six snakes into the Lary Valley on its way up the Italian Peninsula Overlooking the valley is a seventeen hundred foot rocky peak called Monte Casino Perched on top is a sixth century Benedictine abbey Marti Casino is the strong point of the German's defensive formation Gustuff line It must have seemed to the Allies as they gazed up there that this is a kind of perfect defensive position for the Germans to use from the commanding heights of this terrain The Germans can rain down accurate and effective artillery fire at all times There is no way to Rome without in some way dealing with Monte Casino The Allies hope to get to Rome by Christmas but it's here in the shadow of Monte Casino that the advance stalls. In November, Allied leaders gather in Tehran FDR is meeting Stalin for the first time The first thing that happens is Roosevelt and Stalin seem insistent on building their own relationships. sometometimes freezing Churchill out. And he takes this really badly He has to cede center stage with Roosevelt to Stal it. And Churcho is in an interesting kind of no man's land. There's this whole line that Stalin didn't know much English, but he knew two words, second front, because he said it over and over and over again. And when Stalin says second front, he doesn't mean Sicily or even mainland Italy He means France. Churchill says I was the little British donkey sitting between the great American eagle and the Soviet bear, and I was the only one who knew the way home Churchill is still sticking with his Mediterranean plan But he knows that coming out of Tehran, it's really important to be able to go back and win this victory Winston Churchill, the master of out of the box thinking, has an idea for a left hook, an amphibious landing on the western shore of Italy behind the Gustav line Troops will land at Anzio, fifty miles behind the German forces, then drive inland, drawing German defenders away from Monte Casino. Winston Churchill thinks that this could break the whole thing free This is the wildcat we need to shatter this stalemate. The Allies agree to do it, mainly because Churchill is convinced it can work Because so many men and a landing craft have been shipped back to Britain to prepare for D day. The Anzio landing winds up being two divisions only Drop in the bucket The Allied force atanzia lands on an empty beach. There are almost no Germans in front of it. Surprise has been achieved Speed is of the essence. As soon as you land, you must get off the beachhead as quickly as possible. Strike and land One Jeep patrol actually gets as far as the outskirts of Rome. so clearly there is a route of advance open The commander of the invasion is General John Lucas instead of driving boldly into the interior and seizing the high ground over the Anzal beachhead General Lucas stays put his thought is I need to secure this port because that is how Will would be reinforced. And so he sits As he sits, the German commander, Kesssel Ring will basically pull all the cooks, bakers and candlestick makers from around Rome and build them up to pen in the Anzio landing The Germans have the high ground again and are able to control the situation by subjecting the Allied forces to constant shelling. Leading the way in the German bombardments were two enormous railroad guns, known colloquially to the Allies as Anzio Annie and the Anzio Express These fire a five hundred pound shell thirty miles It would have sounded like a freight train You could hear it kind of whistling in and then boom The Allies at Anzo are sitting in a marsh. They have no cover. Around them are mountains and German artillery and the artillery never stops firing There was nowhere on the beachhead you could go to and get respite from enemy fire. And so what you basically got to do is burrow down into the ground and hold tight. It was just this horrendous grind of being under fire for twenty four hours a day This is as miserable a position as any force in World War two found themselves io is Churchill's plan and he said famously after the event I thought we'd landed a wildcat on the shore. What we got was a beach whale The Luftwaffe drafs Allied troops on the beachhead included in the effort to help Lucas' forces off the beach is the ninety ninth Fighter Squadron part of what will become known as the Tuskegee Airman During that era of segregation, most African Americans serve in rear echelon units Tuskegee Airmen are frontline fighting units and they're changing everyone's minds On one of their missions, sixteen of them fly over Angio And then what they find is the German aircraft working over the landing craft. They shoot down ten. of those German aircraft To the south, multiple attacks on the Monte Casino Abbey fail The Allies debate whether to bomb the Mountain Top Abbey from the air The Benedictine Abbey that sits on Monte Casino is a cultural relic. The law of arrm conflict would say we don't touch those Of course this is one of the most important libraries of Christian thought for millennia. and many civilians had taken refuge there The assumption was that the Germans were inside the abbey and using it as the perfect field artillery observer's position We cannot allow the enemy to continue to harass us with artillery fire. So Abbey's gotta Allied forces distributed pamphlets, warning that There would be a bombardment And to the residents, they thought they're not actually going to do it. Allied bombers flatten the shrine of Christianity The bombing actually resulted in the killing of hundreds of civilians who were taking refuge there Allied intelligence was wrong The German observation posts had not been inside the monastery walls The Germans who weren't occupying the abbbey have now decided to occupy the rubble which is incredibly effective for defensive purposes. So the Allies got the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve Bombing the monastery gets the Allies no closer to their goal at some point Infantry is going to have to ascend a mountain under enemy fire The Allies have bombed the Med Casino lobby. But the Germans still hold the summit When the weather improves in May, the Allies make yet another assault They take nearly their entire force in Italy and cram it into the narrow western half of the peninsula Using overwhelming strength now tanks Aircraft, ceaseless waves of artillery bombardment You've got this extraordinary United Nations of troops. I mean, people from all over the world are at Casino We got the British, we got the Americans, we got New Zealand, Maoris, we got Canadians, We got Indians, we got French Moroccans, Gumiers that are wonderful mountain fighters It is one of the places where Japanese Americans fight Who gets ass signigned Monte casino? Hes World War twoo began in Europe when Germany invaded Poland As much as anyone, the Polish people have suffered from the brutal rule of the Nazis The idea that Poles would never miss an opportunity to take it back out on the Germans for what they did to them should be lost on no one. Monte Casino, the pololes are that final wave of fighters and they with incredible bravery and toughness go up this huge inclines As you advance up the hill, you have to show yourself, you're going to be picked off. You're a sitting dog We're talking almost four thousand casualties for the Polish units attackking against Monttecasino. The Poles finally overrun the ruins of the Abbey The Polish flag is unveiled on the top of the monastery play this very, very famous bugle call Heini Mariatski which translates to Stain. Mary's trrumpet call It's some symbol of resilience, of national identity, of hope for the future, and of the fight for Poland every single Polish person sounds out over the monastery once the fighting has died down The gust off line is broken The Americans are finally able to break out of the Anzio beachhead There's a plan to encircle and destroy the Germans The plan is for Mark Clarark to angle his troops to the northeast and cut off highighway six at Val Montone Those were the orders he was given Clarark decides to make a swift left turn that is north towards Rome. Rome is an irresistible target. Nothing screams we are making progress than to have captured Rome. And Mark Clark fundamentally thinks that the Fth Army who has slogged their way up the Italian peninsula and him in particular should get credit for this The conquest of Rome is to take out one of the great Axis capitals in the war. What you're doing is pointing out to the rest of the world and we're on the march, it's happening. and you know, next stop, Berlin The first of the Axis capitals is now in our hands. One up to go. However, the liberation of Rome is going to be entirely, you know overshadowed because the next day is going to be the launch of D day and Roosevelt can't say anything about it After ten months, the Allies have reached the Italian capital. But General Clarkke's decision to take Rome allows the Germans to escape once again Ever since he's had to answer questions about those orders, wasas his ego simply too large to pass up Rome? Ultimately, the liberation of Rome is more symbolic than strategic value The Allies would continue to fight the Germans in Italy for almost another year I think Churchill went to his grave thinking there was an opportunity there that was missed Churchill always believed that that had been a good idea But it had been undone by B bit of foot dragging And some bad luck The Italian campaign is the moment at which Churchill overreaches himself He had insisted on this vast continental campaign that had led to nothing but misery Because of difficult terrain military miscalculation and determined resistance from a skillful enemy The Allied effort in Italy gained little. cost much The Italian campaign is the last time British will have a predominant presence in the Allied forces America has been building airplanes and tanks and creating soldiers As the American strength rises, Winston Churchill's influence The Battle for Italy, which will go on until the end of the war was fought with determination and bravery Ordinary soldiers fought for their nation, but also for each other. This kind of camaraderie is found in all theaters and on all battlefields W tests the best of us And nowhere would men be tested more then in the skies over Germany