Acting Lessons and Manifesting Success

Lemonada You ain't we all you a wayade it weird. Yes, you did it weird. You made it weird with Pete Holmes. What's happening, Weirdos? This is Sarah Chalk who is on the newly renewed, newly renewed, newly rebooted, and also newly renewed, meaning they got a season two of Scrubs, which you can watch on Hulu and Disney Plus. Scrubs, which we all loved, is back and we're loving it again. And I'm so glad I got to meet Sarah. She is a delight. I actually, this is fun. I texted old Zach Graff and I was like, give me some inside stuff to ask Sarah. And it totally worked out. Thank you, Zach. So I had better stuff to ask her and to talk about. And she is just so fun. And I'm so glad you guys are here. Definitely check out Scrubs on Hulu or Disney Plus. And uh a couple things for me to plug up top. What do I got? What do I got? Go to Peteholmes.com for all my tour dates. You know, we got LA . What am I doing? I'm just looking at my website. We're going to LA. We're going to Aspen, Denver, Durham, Charleston, Sacramento, Portland, Maine. Oh, I didn't know that. This is when I find out my tour dates. I'm going to Portland, Maine. When when did that happen? I'm excited. From that area. Vancouver, San Luis Obispo, Madison, Wisconsin, Seattle, Portland, San Diego. Go to peenhomes.com for all of those. And this is my kid's book, Spells to Cast on Your Parents. I've been talking a lot about this, but it's available for pre-order. I'm really, really proud of it. My daughter, who's a tough, tough crowd. She loves it. It's a book where kids cast spells on you, they're grown up, and make you do all sorts of silly stuff. So it's very, very fun and funny and kind of sleeper teaches them some positive stuff and how to read. Okay, that's it. Hope you enjoy Sarah Chalk. Thank you for being here. Get into it . Amazon Health AI presents painful thoughts. Why did I search the internet for answers to my cold sore problem . Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze . I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that . Don't go down the rabbit hole. Amazon Health AI gets you the right care fast . Healthcare just got less painful. Can we just start? Yeah, let's start. There's no there's no yeah, there's no begin there's no introduction. No introduction. So you're saying you feel too made up? Oh well I think you look just right. Well you look just right. But what is just But now I feel like I I'm taking ownership of your looks. I'm like, you look this is how you should look, because you're telling me you feel like you need to acknowledge that you're made up. Well I just need to acknowledge so you know I'm going straight to a scrub things after after this, so I have my hair and makeup done. So I'm just acknowledging it because I've had the experience before where I did not and it was very and that was uncomfortable. You th are you sure? Oh I'm sure I'm sure it was . Yes. All dolled up. Okay. Well I w it was an audition and it was Sunday morning at nine A.M. So first of all, like I'd never done a Sunday morning at nine a.m. audition. That that sounds like a callback. It was not a callback. It was it was the it was one of those things where you get an audition on like Friday night and it's usually I guess where they're like up against the wall and they need to cast it. Yeah. And so for some reason my makeup was at scrubs. I don't know why. So I had no makeup at home and I got the audition. I was like, oh, I'll just I'll call one of those places that you can just go get your makeup done and I'll just do that on the way. It's a thing. A beauty parlour? Is that what ladies are doing at beauty parlors? Did I go to a beauty parlor without rent the runway but for makeup. Yeah. . So I called face rents. com and I rented someone else's face . I rented I went to Rentface already. Um I went to Rentface. But I rented someone else's face, not mine. Like it was one of those times where like I was learning my lines, I was nervous, I was looking down at my sides, someone else was doing my makeup, and I looked up at the end and I had on like a face. Like a full like lashes and a pinched and so much and I was different. I was an outline to the lips? Probably. I don't remember that, but yes. For the for the sake of this story, they were lines far larger. than my own lips Like a serious lip, a serious lap. I want a Twizzler lip. It's called Remember the Twizzler guy? Let's get the Twizzler guy on this lady's face. I had the Twizzler guy as my lap as my rep. And then I was about I was pretty orange. It looked like I had a Canadian? I am. Get the fuck out of here. I'm sorry. First of all, I just I love that . There's only one way to apologize and it doubles your Canadian death. I'll take it in a boot., but then we're sorry But then we're sorry. Are we so sorry about what I just said? Oh my god. And then so sorry. And I'm sitting in your hoose and I'm isn't perfect. Sorry to interrupt your great s I love this story. Uh stor Surryy.. S tory. Story. Story. That the most Canadian word, sorry, is the funniest and most Canadian word. Sorry. So perfect. Isn't it? Yeah. How do you find your nation's passivity? Oh okay. I sort of feel like um I I mean as a recovering apologizer. Yeah. I mean I do Do you? Are you a pleaser? Well I I'm trying it's I'm working on it. I'm not an I'm doing better. Okay. I'm doing better. Okay. But it was a thing. For real. Can it really tell me? Oh, just like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Take up so sorry. I'm so sorry that I went to rent my face this morning. I'm so sorry that I that' Im here'm here that, , I Okay. I made I made a mistake. We're gonna put a pen in people pleasing. Finish your face story. So the face story, I'm sorry , um, is that I was also probably, you know, like when you go to a f a fake spray tan, I I look like I had one of those that went awry. I was definitely eight shades of orange. And um the prequel to Fifty Shades of Gray. Eight Shades or sub virgin. Yeah, it's it's there's less less nudity, um way fewer nudity. Way way fewer nudity. It was way fewer nudity, um more jokes and way too much fakes. It's a lot funnier. And there's more face than fifty shades of green. There's way more face. So much face. There's way more face and less parts. A lot of face, eight shades of tuna, and you went to this audition. I did, and I wish to this day that I'd walked in and said it was for knocked up. No. And it was Judd was there? Judd was there. I was reading with I was reading with Seth reading it together. But all I could think about was the fact that I went to rent a face. And so I I I I should I wish I'd gone and just said, hey you guys, this is super weird. Left of makeup at scrubs, someone else did it. I look like a crazy person, and can we just move on? And instead of doing that, I just feel like I had ten people looking at me so confused on a Sunday morning. Like, what is actually happening right now? And I um Was this for the Catherine? Yeah, it was. It was. And it was probably like I mean I don't know like I have there's certain auditions, I don't know if certain auditions that's kind of haunt you to this day, like where you like you can just you can pull up the feeling in your body. Everyone I mean auditioning is such a vulnerable Is there anything worse? There isn't the most vulnerable. If you want to like actors fancy, can be well paid, can be celebrated. It is pretty well counterbalanced with a lot of humiliation and shame and second guessing and it never stops. I auditioned for that show Terry and Killam got it, which I'm so pleased. When someone great gets amazing. He's so nice too. So he got the part and he's perfect for it. But it's that uh cheerleader show. Oh Stumble. Stumble. Yes, yes. I haven't seen it. I want to see it. I haven't seen it. I went into that audition. It was also on like a Sunday. And they couldn't have been nicer. And then I started doing it , the monologue I guess. And I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Like mid mid-monologue, you're already the tape starting. This isn't right. This is n't correct at all. And you know when like it's like in a symphony, it's like when you start the song, everybody together and it's like and we begin the scene and now we're in the and it feels natural. This was like and and then I I star startedted like on the wrong beat. And you can't get you can't get back. You can't get back. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. Oh a hundred percent. Especially in an ensemble like cat like Scrubs. It's like there's a music to it. And you just came in and you're like, no, I'm my wife's a chair later. And like and everyone who was just buttering my bread so hard and talking about how much they love Batman or whatever it was, now I'm just like shitting in their stup I have to out of out of shame I have to put down their office. They're stupid office . Well it's also like because they were buttering your bread, that actually makes it harder. Because then the expect you feel like, oh now there's an expectation that I have to live up to. And then once you started on the wrong beat, then you're in your head about being on the wrong beat. There's a very challenging pathway back. We talked too long too. We talked for like 20 minutes. Oh. And then we did the same. That's way harder. It sucks, right? And now you're like it would be like if we were all just hanging out and I was like, okay, do that monologue. Like what let's just didn't we just get talk about breakfast and get film each other and no. And now I'm gonna they're filming it. Oh you can hear the camera . You can swear you can the focusing. How quiet was people in the room? It was like five. It was like a good five. And it was on a weekend. I felt like and it was like I I I oh guess it never goes away. You had done scrubs at that point. You had scrubbed it up. You were scrubbing it up. I was scrubbing it up. You were scrubbing it up. Yeah and the auditions. But not knocking it up. But I was not. I was scrubbing it up. I was never gonna knock it up. And I knew it. I knew it the second we were in it. I was off beat. I started off beat. And you're with Seth. I couldn't understand. But he's over there. He's so funny. You're doing this right beside me. Okay. Cause when I auditioned for Train Wreck, Amy Schumer was over there. Oh similar sitch. Jed, similar sitch. And I asked, Can she come and sit next to me? And I thought that was a good move, but then it I wasn't good. So I was like, I want you next to me while and then John Cena got that. I was like, why am I even here? You're a you're a Han. You're a Han. You could have done it. You know what I mean? I couldn't done what Cena did. Different guy. Different wait well that is the other piece of auditioning I feel like is you know you always hear like oh it's just not meant to be yours don't like leave the room and leave it behind because like it was out of your hands and you kind of think like that's bullshit but it I I feel like it is also a little bit true. Like when I did Scrubs, um Donald and I auditioned in the same round and they didn't . So I ended up going back a month later and reading with four JDs. And Zach was like Zach wasn't the J D? I don't know why I thought isn't it crazy to think he he auditioned for that? Yeah, he he auditioned but he always braff to me. He was forever braff. He was forever braff. But he was just some guy. Bring in Zach . Yeah. And he went in nervous. Yeah, he was, but he was like he was a hundred percent the part. Like, and it was so interesting. I hadn't had that experience as an actor before being on the other side of it and like seeing like that's actually true. Like someone comes in and it's just theirs. Like it was head and shoulders. Yeah uh the right choice. Who else was there? Maguire? Toby? Uh Toby was not there. Toby Maguire was just there. DiCaprio. Who was it at Braff level? Oh, Dax? No. No, but but can you imagine? No, Dax Dax uh Todd Berry. You don't know who that is. Google it. Ethan Embry. Ethan Embry was there. Is that somebody I know? Who's Ethan Embry? Um Do we know? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he would. What's he from? Is it American Gods? Because I didn't see it. It's not American gods. It's not Canadian gods. Okay. But in terms of Dax, I uh, you know, Zach and Dax obviously like get my staking for each other all of the time. Yep. And um recently we had um before we did the reboot, we had a Scrubs reunion in Austin for uh the festival there and I was meeting Zach and Donald for dinner and I uh I was in the elevator and it got stuck and I learned in that moment that I have claustrophobia. Wait, were you alone? But they're down they're outside already saying, Chalky, where are you? And I'm like, I'm in an elevator. I don't imagine I will do well in this situation. Get me. out of here And so I had service. I'm starting like ringing the bell. I'm ringing the buzzer. And it's this one. It's a good situation where you're pushing a button that says fire on it. It's and and it this is like an old timey hotel. Like it was like a a big elevator that you then take to the little one that goes down three floors. I'm on the little guy and it goes shakunk and it's just like gets stuck. It's very coffin like. It's it's a suspended coffin. It's this that's how it felt. In a coffin that's in the matrix. Like it's wearing a water. Like you're in a Carrie Ann Moss elevator. Oh my god, you love Carrie Ann. I can see it in your face. Of course I love Carrie Ann. People love Carrie Ann. People love Carrie Ann. I love Carrie Ann. I love Carrie Ann. What else is she in though? The the Matrix and then what else? The Matrix. Yeah. That's all you really need. That's all you need. Carrie Ann. That's all that's all That'll Carrie Ann Career. That'll carry that'll carry Ann you right through. Carrie Ann me. Yeah. Yeah. You can cool it. Yeah. All four of them. We don't want to acknowledge the fourth, but we had to. We did. For legal reasons. Okay. Appreciate it. I'm in the elevator. I I carry M. Carry-Anne. Carry-An. Carry-Anne Carrie. Carry-Anne. Carry-Anne I just say Trinity when I want you to carry M. Trinity. So I'm in the elevator. And I'm pushing the fire old timey button that's like and this woman comes on, she says, We're on our way to get you, ma'am. And I'm like, okay, I guess I sound like a ma'am. So I'm terrified. And then I'm like, great. And she's like, women in fear sound like mams. Yeah. It might sound like this bitch when they're calm. Totally. But the second you're stuck in the other . You're a ma'am. You're a ma'am You are a ma'am. You got ma'am boys on. And you don't even care. You're like, ma'am me, do whatever. Just get me the fuck out of this elevator. Get an axe here. Get an axe me out of this. I want somebody to repel. Was it could you see the way out in the tub? No. I was in the matrix coffin hanging by the wire. I was suspended And so she goes, Where are you? You're you're we're coming. You're on floor eleven. And I'm like, this elevator only goes to five. Where do you think I am? And I'm like, they have no idea what elevator shaft I'm in. Well. So I put on the podcast that I was listening to getting ready, which was Dak Shepherd's Armchair Expert. Um that's what I 'm hosted by Zach Brabb. Also , Zach Brapp. You mean Zach? Zach Shepard, on our expert. Yeah. Go ahead. So you're listening to a podcast. So I'm listening to a podcast to calm down. I was like just put on I'm like in like tucked into the corner. I didn't even notice. I'm like in the bottom of the elevator sitting. And then I was like, put on the podcast. You're gonna be fine. And so I get out finally and I tell Zach and Donald and I'm like, yeah, I actually kind of had like a mini panic attack. I did not know it was claustrophobic. And so I put on armchair expert and Zach was like, you put on my doppelganger's podcast to calm down . You didn't listen to ours and I was like Um . There's called Fake Friends. Um Fake Doctors Real Friends. Fake Doctors Real Friends. Fake Doctors Real Friends. Too long. They don't do it anymore in this moment. Oh . Um because they did the whole run of the whole series. It was a rewatch. And then they spun off into other things. But then they did that how many episodes of Scrubs are there? Hundreds. A thousand? Eight million. Eight million is correct. Eight million. There's eight million. You're here to be tested. That's too many podcast episodes. They had to do best devs. No, they did the whole thing. They're skipping the one where Con Hayes sprains his ankle. That didn't make it . Subtle scrubs, burn you know, so you know, not all of 'em were great. That's what they talked about in the in the podcast. They actually talked about like, oh that one wasn't that one I I I was a scrubs fan, but uh the no if you do that many you rewatch Scrubs, do you go are they like memories? Are you like I remember that day, I remember how I feel in this scene. Are you seeing it like you, Sarah and the scene? Not that you're rewatching it, but like I've only seen a couple like I mean at the time I had seen them, but it it was twenty five years ago that we started and then when we were gonna go do the rewatch, I watched the finale. And then otherwise I only watched it when I went on Zach and Donald's podcast, which probably like four or five times and watched it then and it's like you're saying, you're watching it on all these different levels. Like it's triggering memories of like what was happening on set that day, what was happening in your life at that moment. Right. And kind of watching it going, huh? Oh, I remember doing that scene. Like it's a bizarre. Did you have any ones where it was like and you can say pass, but like, oh, I just got dumped that morning, or or like I just dumped somebody that morning, or like I just found out I didn't get knocked up that morning, or whatever it is. Like do you remember having to turn it on? Like you're doing scrubs isn't, you know, it's not big bang theory, but you gotta be bright, you gotta be tight, you gotta be in a in a rhythm, it's a comedy, it's uh it's got pace. Were there days that you're like, man, I'm just not feeling that way, and I had to find it, dig deep. Yeah, for sure. I mean I think that's like every day in this in this industry because time stops for no one. Like it's not a as you know, like you never Time Warner stops for no one. Carry on. Trinity. Trinity. Trinity. Um yeah, like I remember so many times in my life where that happened where you're like, okay, fucking buckle up. Like it was the my very first job was the Roseanne show and it was day one of filming. I was flying to New York because we were doing an episode there, because Sarah Gilbert was going to Yale, and so they had built sets there. It was my first day on the job, and my grandmother died, and I got on the plane, and I didn't tell anyone because I didn't know anybody. And you kind of like I feel like there's so many of those, if I think back, of like where you're doing all of the things at the same time and kind of like on Scrubs too for sure. Like I had times where, you know, I mean it was eight years, right? So it's just life and like goes on. And I mean the the good part about Scrubs was like you're also doing a lot of dramatic shit. So you know, you can you can just uh cr like channel it for the crying scenes. But um it's kinda crazy though. Somehow sometimes I I I I'm not trying to be salacious by bringing up like psychedelics, but sometimes I'll be on a psychedelic and I'll be like, that's insane that the job is to pretend your grandmother didn't just die. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yes. You know what I mean? Like if you can I'll take it out of acting. I've been on mushrooms and been like, it's crazy that we smile when we're not happy. Like that's crazy. It's really like a weird thing that we've evolved to do, especially in America , to just be like, Hey. Hi. Hi. I just got fired. You know what I mean? You go to other countries, they don't do it as much. We do it way more. And and we love acting even more than most countries. It seems. So I I'm feeling you. But I feel like wouldn't it be amazing if we didn't? Like I would love a world where we didn't do that. Like I'm smiling to say anyone coming, but I'm genuinely happy because I'm very excited to be here. But like I feel like what a more Let's do it for the next 30 seconds only. I can't do it. I'll just I am literally the worst of this . If you ask anyone . Um we literally did an interview with Zach and Dawn Line together and th they said who would be the most likely of you to break and take and they both immediately were like Jockey. Like I so if we did try are we trying right now? We're not laughing. We're not smiling. We're not neutral faces for this next one. My daughter calls it basic face. Basic face? I think she's saying something else. I think I think she's saying something much meaner than you know . This is you finding out that your your daughter is ripping you. And here I'm just smiling. Oh great. , basically I have to do this and then she takes her hands and then she moves your face into like all these . She loves smushing another face. Just smooshing it. And then she will take my phone and quickly just like Take a picture of it. Take the pictures of the different things And then she goes this is if I ever have problems with you. I of collateral. It's like a very low I'm not gonna make a Nexium joke. It's that was a real thing. That was a painful thing. That was a painful thing. Are you are you a Nexhead? Well I'm from Vancouver. Was that a Canadian was Rainier Canadian? Well, the whole the it was a very large Vancouver chapter. Um that because Smallville shot in Vancouver. Oh. And so Allison Mack and it was a large contingency in Vancouver that then moved to the East Coast. And you're from Vancouver? I'm from Vancouver. And I packed up, me and my best friend packed up her truck and like moved to Los Angeles like right at that time. So we are sure that we would have been pulled each other. We would have been next. A meeting. You got next. Nexted. You got Nexiumed. We would have been examed. It is funny. See, I almost made a Nexiom joke, then I stopped myself, because remember collateral was a big thing in that culture.. Yes Like they always wanted a text or a photo or and they were just like isn't it weird how like sin ister and but also how like easy it is to hack somebody, how to like break somebody. It's like I just need something you don't want people to know, a video of you saying this or doing this. And it's like, ugh. And we know that. But just most of us just don't do that. But then there's s psychopaths that are like, that's all we need to do. Yeah. And it works. And it works. Yeah. That was we're so tender. We're so vulnerable. I know. And I feel like we want to believe so badly. We do, and human beings do, but I feel like specifically actors.. Yeah But that's another brilliant brilliant meaning darkly, like evilly brilliant, to go like, well, who needs affirmation and who wants like we all want like a I I guess it's called the halo effect. We want the leader. We like there's something in us that wants someone to tell us that it's okay. But especially people that have like weird lives. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or like acting, where you're just like where your whole job is built around like auditioning and saying, Was this right? Right. And that goes back to you and I'm I'm not making light of it. Your but your grandmother dies, then you're doing Roseanne . Um and there's something kind of familiar. Kids that grew up, and I'm not trying to make this all serious because we're having a nice fun, silly time, but kids who grew up like kind of putting their own feelings to one side make good actors . Yeah. You know what I'm saying? If you can compartmentalize and put things in a box. That becomes a skill. It's a s it is a skill. I'm having a a big feeling and I I don't think it's I don't think there's room for it. No. So Yes. Put that feeling in a box. But please pull it out in an hour and a half. Can you cry in an hour and a half? And you're like, yeah, I can cry in an hour and a half. No problem. That's I love that you understand how crazy it is. Because it is kids that learn how to like withhold and then release and withhold and release. It's it's like a weird I guess I don't know. It's almost like sex work in a way. It's like this thing that for some people happens when it happens, we'll do it. Like like it at eleven o'clock. Eleven o'clock. You know what I'm saying? Well, and it is like weirdly a I was just reading this the other day. It's like it is a coping strategy. It's a coping strategy to be able to put your thing your emotions in a box. Yeah, of course. Like it it's that's it is a coping thing. You where you if you can kind of do that. Yeah. So I was like, well that's I guess like the positive side of it. Yeah. But otherwise I think like probably some not great things. Right. About it. Yeah. Well have you learned how to like you we were talking about your Canadian pleasy stuff. Can you let yourself out a little bit more? Like your honest your truth? Oh yes. Yeah. Yes, yes. How did you learn to do that ? Um Um cas hmini? Usually Was it Cashmini? I think to be honest, I feel like it's parenthood becoming a mom. I think that there's something about you know Did you just fix your about for me? You did a very American about Yeah, you're such a pleaser and I I made fun of it once that you were like never again Well there's something about it's something about in this room I shall present as an American. A good American Yes. So it's weird. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to do that. Because then I'd have to apologize. I'm so sorry. Make you feel uncomfortable. Um when I read a script, something comes out out, and then when I'm talking in my life, it's out. Oh really? Yes. But that was a that was a kind of a mix of blend too. It was a blend blend. So being a parent has helped you take up space because you're trying to model that for your child? I think you you kind of realize like, oh, they're not gonna s just do what I say they are actually just gonna do what I do. Like they are just gonna model it. They are gonna take it from you and take your cues. And I have a sixteen year old son and a ten year old almost ten year old daughter. And uh I think it's a combination of that and also just like probably a almost like there's a stripping away I think when you become a parent of what is actually important. Yeah, that's exactly right. So it's like why would I why are you putting on airs why Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um it doesn't matter. And isn't it weird that like there's a point where helping like t like the the mom, it's often the mom, who never sit or the grandma who never sits down. Like on on paper, it's like, well that's really nice. They're just but at a certain point you're like, please sit down. Serving everybody else and please sit down. Because that's a that's a powerful thing to demonstrate too, is like sometimes I sit down. It's so interesting you say this. We're actually out of time, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, the rest of the episode is a rerun of Armchair Expert. But Zach is hosting and no one noticed. No one noticed. They didn't They were like, Yeah. Some liked it more. Some liked it less though. Sorry, Zach. Sorry. But some but you're welcome to exactly more. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. So funny I mentioned sitting down. Well just that is I feel like you know when life and like the synchronicity of life, how things start to when you need to work on something like come at you from like all of the angles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well mine right now is Learning to sit down. Just sit down. Just slow down. Yeah. Slow down in sit down because I don't sit down. You're a helper. You're a you're a hummingbird? I'm a humm I'm that's actually what I've been called is a hummingbird. I have that hummingbird energy of like I never stop yeah moving and it's sort of starting to come from all areas of my life of like slow down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sit down. Well, like you're talking about taking up space, there's something look we talk about this all the time. Carl Jung. Everybody relax, I'm gonna quote Carl Jung. If you wanna grab your chair so you don't get lifted off. But he goes the greatest burden a parent can put on a child is the unfulfilled dream of the parent. Now you've clearly expressed yourself and found success and that's such a gift. But there's also like and sometimes mom wants to sit down or or enjoy myself or do something just like read a book or go out with your friends or look there's always things and this is the the next phase. Like how can we show our kids not just how to go after their dreams or whatever, but also like, and sometimes I just have a lemonade. And sometimes just a lemonade. It's just a lemonade. Glennon Doyle in Untamed talks about that exact Carl Jung concept of like the Jungian. fulfilled as their mother allowed themselves to live. And so like I feel like um yeah I'm I definitely yeah want to model that for my kids. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. But then on the other side it has to be pretty rockin' that you're like Mum pretends for a living. I think they do Pretty cool. They they they've they've there's been a journey of that of kind of being like Do they think it's cool or not cool? Well I think it was like you know, my job after they were born it was like during COVID they couldn't set and then with Scrubs we shoot in Vancouver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which Zach said I texted Zach Pre and he he he said that you said that y that loved shooting there and then it rained the entire time. Okay, yes, true. Definitely true. To be fair. I love that it was on you. It was on me. I'd be driving to work in an atmospheric river and I'd like, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, you guys. Like I'm so sorry . I'm so sorry. The atmospheric is my fault. It's legitimately my fault. And I will do better. I will try harder and I will do better. Um I will not sit down until it stops raining. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. It it um was October, November, December, January when we were shooting, which are the rainy months. Yeah, yeah. But that's why it's so beautiful and so green there because it rains and then the rest of the year is like stunning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I did you know, we tried, we got the key is getting out and up into the mountains into the snow, so we all went skiing and we did things out of the rain. But it's um it's definitely but with this I took you off the track of what your kids think. Yes. Reboot. Rebout rebout. Ribout. Ribout. What is what is the non what is the non-Ganadian Ros? I'm saying it right. I'm not sure it's in it. It's boot is in it. It's not my fault. But it's bout. Boot. But it's reboot. It's just reboot. It is the one word that actually works in both countries, I think. Tim Horton. Equally. Tim Hortons. Tim Tim Hortons. Tim Hortons. For the double double. Tim Hortons sucks. Excuse me? Tim Hortons sucks. At least we know our Dunkin' Donuts isn't great. Right. Canadians talk about you go to your thank you. It's true. No, it's true, it's true. I had my pride going on. You go to Tim Hortons, it's Dunkin' Donuts. It is. And that's fine, but you guys are like, Tim Hortons! It just's like fucking cool it. It's true. Cool it. Thank you. Well, I mean, I both my kids play hockey. All my nieces and I play hockey. I join a mom's hockey team. It's just what you do if you live there, and it's a box of timbits af the end of every game and it's a big deal. But it's not like I guess I was looking for like exceptional. It's just push button little espresso. There you go. Yeah. Brevia? What am I trying to say? The Nespresso. Yeah, is this a Nespresso? This is a pod. It's pod coffee and it's fucking donuts. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. There's a line as long as it's a cultural mythol ogy is what they're in line for. It's it's the belief in national pride is what they're in line for. I like no Canadian can listen to me say this because otherwise I won't be allowed back in. I think that will be it. That will be it. Because you have a DUI you won't be allowed back in. It's the Dim Hortons. It's the what I said it was Dim Hortons, right? And that one time in Martha's Vineyard. We all it's the do it's what Pete and I said about that. You can do what? It wasn't dunkin' . It was the basic Look I'm selling I'm from Boston. I'm selling out Dunkin' Donuts, it''ss f fineine. It. It's fine. Yeah. I do think Starbucks moved things forward. I know it's not like popular to say, but come on. I all I wanted I it hadn't worked out acting, I was going to be a barista. I dated someone because they worked at Starbucks so I could put the apron on and make the drinks. You just wanted to try it. Like two hot beverages going at once. It's the hummingbird job. That's right. That's why it's a natural thing. Yeah, you'd be perfect. And then you're buzzing on the matcha and the coffee all day. Ripped on long, getting ripped on triple espresso. Oh, oh my god, I made the mocha wrong. I'll take it. Whoops. No big deal. Whoops. Carry on over there with what you're doing. I'll just be drinking my Guess what they're doing at Dunkin' Donuts. If someone uh I I made it one and nobody wants it, sink. Nobody's You're so right. That's the difference. That is the difference. That's how you know I'm right. That's how you know. Nobody at Dungandis is like this fucking cul otta is going a waste. This cul otta was a waste. Sink . Yeah. At Starbucks, they're finding someone who wants it. Someone wants it. It was $11 Someone wants it. Someone wants it. Nobody's throwing that out. Yeah. All right. So we both sold out our our national coffee brand. We did. So we bit it together. Safety numbers. America runs on Duncan. How about America gets the runs from Duncan? True. Thank you for the laughter. But it's well, it's it's kind of it's up my alley. A little poop joke. Yeah, yeah. Poop poop stuff. Um yeah. Okay, so your kids think it's cool now? Yeah. So they came to vi I think my daughter can't believe it's like a job. She walks into hair and makeup trailer. First thing that happens, her hair bra'idsed in all the ways that she asks me to that I try. Where she's like, Mom, I need the crossover double Dutch, no elastic, French twist over the top. And I'm like, No elastics. So she goes in there, they do that, they just got glitter all over her face. Then she comes to set. Uh she asks props for a clipboard. She sits at Video Village with the producers and the director, and she takes notes. And so the first scene we finish filming, and she's got like a page of notes for Zach and Donald and I. And notes for you. Yeah, yeah, performance notes. Like changes. Like changes. Like alts changes. She's got she's nine. And she's like, Donald, I thought it was very funny how you said that, but I did not think it was kind that you told the patient that he didn't look good. And Zach was like, W,ell Frankie, that's a script note. So thank you. We'll run it up the chain, but we can't for today that's too late. And then mom, she's like, Mama, just too much face. And then um like calm down. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's good note. Less is more mom. Um then uh yeah, just page page a note. Rain it in and more changes. You can also go, that's a tape cut. We'll cut it in close. You don't have to tell us that. Yeah, we know, we know. Wow. Yeah, so she's a little securely attached child. She's ready to go in. She's flying in notes. She's flying in notes. With a hairdo. With a do glitter. She's like bored. Pace, please. Is your character tired ? Twenty one thirty. Twenty one thirty guys, that's all we have. Oh, that's the length of an episode. Twenty one thirty. Twenty one thirty. Yeah. I was gonna ask you, I I keep forgetting to ask some of the actors that come on, I really like this. What am I Trump? I really like it. I was such a fucking why am I overrating this? I've been meaning to ask this a wonderful question, beautiful question. It's so fucking dumb. But it just comes out. Trump talk. 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So fucking find it. Right. Like the one one of the things I always wanted to say was was pace. That's a big thing. Like pace, energy, yeah. Bright and tight, teeth, smiles. But like what what are you holding in your mind when you're doing a comedy like that? That's like fast and funny. I know there's drama and real, but like when you're doing a comedy scene, what are you holding in your mind? I feel like for scrubs for sure it's pace and people actually say that when they come on, they're like, oh my god, the pace. And I think it's like meaning on its feet, it's fast. It's fast. It's like just the actual pace of the scene always moves fast. Um, and that's often if we're getting a note, that's what it is, one pace year. Um, but I feel like if I'm on Scrubs and there's a guest star coming, like my biggest wish for them is like I because it's comedy, I'm sure you feel the exact same way. It's like it's room for failure there. Like there's so much room. And I wish that everybody that comes on gets a real sense of that because it's allowed to it's allowed. Like and it's what I mean that's where comedy happens, I think. Like all the stuff we end up using. It's like where everybody feels safe. Fail. Try it. I feel so safe there that they're never going to use something that doesn't work. And so like you can try whatever the fuck you want because it's never gonna wind up being used unless it works. And I feel like that was the gift at such a young age doing scrubs when I was twenty four was I'd done very little and there was such a sense of like not only a safety net, but like um learning about comedy. Like Bill Lawrence would come to set every single take and before which I have never experienced before since where showrunner comes every single rehearsal and was like, don't try this, that's not really landing. Let's do three alts there. Try this. Um try this if you want instead. Try it like this, right? Where a lot of actors like I don't think like line reads, but it was like it's Bill and he has a sense of what the it's gonna sound like in his head. I'd way rather hear it and go like, oh yeah, that's great. And then try it. And um so I feel like the collaborative feeling like that's so hard to replicate and it's on some sets and it's not on others. Can we step that out a little? It's so funny that a writer can say Sarah crosses to the dresser and nobody's like, I don't like walk reads. Totally. You know what I mean? Yeah. We told you what the fuck to wear. We told you where to stand. We cut your hair. We put your makeup on. We dyed it black and chopped it off. That's right. And we're not allowed to say, can you go up on the word tombstone? Why? Why are you drawing the line there? That seems like a weird choice of where to draw it. We're all here to make a vision come tr to life. And I'm I I'm taking issue because I've always been a give me a line read person. Same. Because also as a writer, there's a music to it and like and when I so I'm not gonna talk too much here, but comedians love it when you go, have you thought about saying that line as a question instead of a statement? And it gets a bigger laugh and you just go, thank you, I didn't know that. Just thank you. But it's actors are so control led. It's funny that they're like, for those of you that don't know what we're talking about, a line read is if I say the line is uh can I actually get that to go? Can I actually get that to go? And I go, can you actually can I actually get that to can I actually get that to go? I got it, got it. Sure I'll yeah, yeah. So that was the process. That was the process. But actors famously, a lot of 'em. Not a lot of ',em but it does still exist. Yeah. Old school. Don't give me a line read. I've seen it a bunch of times. Well it uh I feel like more often than not you see it. Yeah. And I And I think it's starting because they know it's a thing. It's like a prestige now Now we're we're shitting on Hortons, Duncan's, and now we're shitting on actors. I mean, what are we doing? I don't know. And for what? And for what? To promote the reboot of Scrups? I feel like yes. People are already watching it. This will not move the need le. We're just torching huge swathes of our fan base for what? Say like three really nice things for balance. Okay, actors are they bring life, life, they they make laugh in times of darkness. They give us lightness and they give us a safe place to project our shame and exonerate it. Yes, and we can then have a good cry if we need to get it out. Oh, thank God for actors. Thank you, actors. Thank you, actors. Thank you, actors. Also, maybe take a line read. Well, try it. Okay. But this is the thank you piece of it, is how I feel. Like just in the sense of like and and and I'm I'm not at all saying like don't try it, how you hear it in your head how you feel it what feels right all those things but also if someone who wrote it and had it in their mind or somebody who has like like Bill who's like extremely talented. Um just it's just no try it. See what it happens and just have the I think the really nice thing is that when you get to the point where you're in an environment working where you have the trust and the safety and knowing like, oh there's yeah, they'll use if it's great. If it's not, they'll use the other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. The other thing I'll say that's nice about actors is often when I'm watching, I have a sense of what I have a guess of what the writer intended the line to be said. And then the actor, I feel like a lot of the greats. I'm thinking like Ed Harris and Jeff Bridges and other white men that I just love . Look, let's and Bill Cosby, uh okay? The dumbest guy who doesn't know. I'm just I I I I think you some of you should know, don't no um um Yeah, after a a certain number of felonies , it's just Sean. Yeah. Yeah, it's just just Mr. Mr. Combs. Anyway, a lot of the great actors and actresses actors that I love often say the line how I wouldn't have guessed, and that's So this is me saying it out the other side of my mouth. There is a way that you're supposed to say it. And like like George Basil, who was on Crashing with me and I wrote Crashing, and he would always say the line, in my opinion, completely wrong. Like a hundred percent wrong. Then if I ever when we were making the show, I was like, God damn it, he's right. Like I thought the line was, can I actually get that to go? And he'd be like, Can I I actually get that to go? I can't do it. That's the point. There's some people that the i the wind passes through them and it makes music for some reason. I don't know why. And that's that's fun to watch. In the moment I was like, Jesus Christ. I mean George knows this. I'd I'd be I wouldn't be like mad, but I'd be like, can we do one where it sounds like what I was thinking? But I was wrong so often. The example Jason Schwartzman in Fantastic Mr. Fox, when he did the podcast, we talked about this at length. There's a line where a bully, you know, it's stop motion, but it's his voice, a bully wants him to eat mud, and he goes, I'm not gonna eat mud. I'm not gonna eat mud. What? What? What I'm not gonna eat mud. Why up on eat? Why? It's perfect. And it's perfect. And sometimes I feel like there's true actors, Schwartzmann, true actors that are really doing it. And then there's more people like me. I'm more of a pleaser and I'm going like, what did the writer think? What are they going for? I'm gonna do it. Yeah. And then you get the Schwartzman. That's just a different level. That's why he's in Wes Anderson in so many W Andeserson movies, because they're just interesting take kind of p choices. And I don't have that. I'm not as cool as that. I if you're Vanessa Bear was on Shrubs this past season, and there's one line that sticks out to me where she did that. Where it's like I'm not gonna eat, bud. I'm not gonna eat, bud. Where she we're we're standing there at a patient's bedside, and patient wants to to die. She's ready to die. She doesn't want to live any longer, and we're you know, I'm I'm trying to like say, but what about this? What about this? And Vanessa's bear says, Well, I I did write something down on my pad here that might help change your mind. And then she proceeds to like turn so many pages of this pad that it just gets so funnier and funnier because like she's she's turning the pages and I'm standing beside her dying going don't break don't break and then she goes she gets to the thing on her pad and she goes uh what if hell is real ? The way that she said it, I was like nobody else would have delivered it like that. What if hell is real? What if hell is real ? It was incredible. And I Yes, because what if hell is real? Yeah, what if hell is real. What if hell if hell is real? There's another one. I love that so much. It's a Romy and Michelle story. I have a lot of Romy and Michelle stories. But Lisa Coudreau, who's brilliant. She got the audition for Romy and Michelle because there was oh god I'm gonna fuck it up there was some basic thing where she's like are you here for the audition and she's or she's like, I'm here for the audition. then And Lisa Coudre went, Me too. But the line was intended to just be like me too. But she played it like she was like, oh my god, me too. And that made everyone die laughing. And I was like, that's just next level, not just talented, like interesting weird like we're in a store that sells too many strange oddities. I'm just like a store where you buy a flat screen TV. That is not true and I would obviously disagreeing. We could spend time. You know what I mean? There's certain people like Zach Gal fanakus, other white men that I just love. I'm just trying to think of like the real Kookamadukes. The real kooks. I could watch the case. And I'll never be a Kookamaduke. That's what I mean. Just real kooks. Everything everything he says. I just saw him in Vancouver. Um is that public that he's I I mean, I don't know. He's a Canadian. Oh, well he was being interviewed by Dave Letterman. Oh. Um yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, as part of his um show. Yep. And just the way that he would move on stage. Like at one point he'd like stood up and like would walk towards the audience to say something and just the way he sits, his body language, all of his choices about how he was speaking in an interview. I was like dying. Some people got it. Yeah. No, I think I think it is not us. Not us You know what you have that Zach has too is and I mean this as a very high compliment. There is a physicality to what you're doing. And that's that that's was that something you always had or did you have to unlock that as an achievement Um I the physicality part of Scrubs was one of my favorite parts because I there's so many jobs where you don't really have that's not on the table. That's not really one of the things that's going to be happening. And the physicality piece of that was so much fun to play around with. Like we obviously with the Pratfalls and like we were young, so we'd always ask to the Brat do our own stunt. The Bratfalls. The Prat Bratfalls. We'd always ask to do our own stunts, even if like you know they were too dangerous we'd t try them. We still wanted to. We still like want to do them. Again 'cause of that trust. You knew it wasn't gonna if it was good, they would use it. They would use it. And if you died they would definitely use it. If they would definitely use it. You know in the dark night that that semi truck flips over and the guy died in the movie? That's a real thing. That's a real thing. I mean I I I don't think we have to tiptoe around that. That's like an honor. It's like a it's like a honor, but it's it's how we do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so yeah, the physicality piece of it. I mean I was always a disaster uh I've never understood where my body is in space. Um ever. Like I'm five ten five ten, five, five, eight, and my wingspan is six feet. And you're it's supposed to measure Oh, you're one of those Michelangelo freaks. You're like wrong. Yeah, yeah. It's not a circle, it's like a rhombus. I'm definitely rhombus or rhombus adjacent. Like I like this is six feet. And so how and this is five. That's very funny. It's very different. It's very funny. That's a calculation we could check if you have such and such. I was like, no thanks. I don't need to. Do you fall over a lot? All the time. It's clothing is like, I mean you can't roll things because it's like it doesn't come to the Bro Bro Bro Bro but I feel like I've never had a you've never had but your wingspan I know I am my wingspan's the same as my ding span height. Height was was what I saying. Spam. I didn't mean to say that either. I didn't mean to insinuate that. Um it's the same. And so how that plays out how that plays out is um you just I would have thought by almost fifty I would know my my body is in space, but I don't. Um so Bill wrote that into the character, into the show because I would I mean I'd call all the time and be like, Randall, um I'm just gonna have to stand behind the hospital bed and not walk in this episode because I am on crutches and then like you know I did limbo again and I had a recurring limbo injury and they're like, Well why do you need need to l you don't need to be limboing? Like just stop that. Why are you limboing? Why and why you've recurrent limbo injury? You're always carrying two buckets of water. Always. Always. Small buckets. Small but they're enough to bring you down. Yeah. Enough nonetheless. Enough to take me and anyone in my. Yeah. Yeah, because I no, I my physical Yeah I it was great. Thank you. No notes. No notes. No notes. That's the one. Mark that take. Yeah . You have limbo injuries. Yeah, because I I'm not athletic at all. And it's my one I mean I recognize most people can consider it like an athletic pursuit but if it's all you've got yeah you will hold on to it and so it's I tried out for every team I couldn't make a team but I really can limbo and I've never lost a limbo comp etition. And so, yeah. So the problem is, is now in my latest decade, I injure my, I just get this weird lump behind my ankle every time. So I keep one of the physical therapists and they're like, how'd you do it? And I'm like , limbo again. And they're like, stop limboing. Weddings are you going to? Where does limbo happen? Club med? Carnival cruises? At this point in my life. I'm just to think back on my most recent limbo experiences. Um they did have me limbo on scrubs in this past season. I did uh Knowing the risks. Knowing knowing the risks. Um I did uh so there's something called Big Slick that I go to most years, which is a charity event in Kansas City hosted by Jason Sadegis and Paul Redd and and Eric Stone Street and Rob Riggle and Heidi Gardner and David Kechner, who are all from Kansas and they do this charity for the children's hospital. Everybody goes back to the hotel after to play poker and karaoke. And a limbo event kind of also started. And so I do limbo there once a year. I am picturing that they're playing cards. And I'm a alone limbo. card And you've had onnays and you're just like, and like no one else is doing it. Is there a mop? Does anybody have a belt? Is there a broom in anyone? I'll do with a with my mind. Just imagine it's here. Move that mind bar lower. Bring it down. Go under a mind bar. Go under a mind bar as long as you lower it. Um and you still injure yourself. So you were Jason Sid Jason Sidakis is playing cards and you're doing a limbo injury nearby. Injury nearby. And the problem is is I can't like you'd think that if you were looking at like a two-month recovery, you wouldn't do it. Um I can't not. You just love the bow. I just love the bow . Like if you took this, if you if if if you have one side, you'll you would you would have to. You'd be obliged. I would be obliged. You'd be obliged. I'd be obliged. Like it happened at New Year's last year and my sister was like, Don't do it, Sarah. Like what are you doing? And I was like, it's my one time to flex in front of my kids. They've never seen me limbo and they know I can't do anything athletic. This is this is the this is it. Limbo I mean it's so close to the pole vault. Right? It's not close to the pole vault. I mean the if the el if the pole was horizontal Pole vault, it's horizontal. Isn't the high jump? Isn't pole vault this thingy E es . Oh high jump. I guess high jump. High jump. High jump is limbo taken to an Olympic extreme. Yes. What if we're jumping over this and it goes up? That's true. I've not But Limbo has no respect. High jump is in the world game. This is news. I to your diary, I didn't know had no respect. Limbo ard. No, Limbo is a fucking thing myself this whole time. Nobody l nobody's impressed. Nobody's impressed. Except for that you're saying it's just God gave you a weird spine. Yeah. It's just scoliosis and motion. Okay, that is that is true. That is true. I do have an exoskeleton, but um I'm just kidding. I feel like it's okay. Point taken. I can hear it. I bet if I saw you doing limbo, I would eat my words. It's one of those things. Like juggling or devil sticks. Yes. If you see some just know that that's the category. Your skill is like devil sticks. I mean, okay, so you know what, Pete this morning was a gift because now you've given me the gift of I can let limbo go. You can I don't need to injure my ankle any longer. You also can't. But I also can't. You're the woman who if someone's got a hacky sack going, you're in that circle. Scott Wallace taught me how to juggle walking home from school from grade eight. So I yes, I'm in the hacky sack circle. I was in the hacky sack circle. I had I had a hacky sack. Yeah. And I there was a terrible sack. You were whack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to have Or if you had like a brand new one that wasn't like worked in and it was just kind of like a like it was just like a brand new one then you were like a poser. That's right. You better hack that sack for a few months before you show it. Yeah, that's it. Don't show me your sack until it's all until it's all had that is a firm new sack that is nobody wait a business idea pre-hacked sacks pre hacked sacked why has nobody done this also was there a lot of like sack sack jokes. Is that why hacky sack is such a joke? Oh maybe. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Hacky sack. Okay, then why is limbo a joke? Because there's no limbo the only thing limbo is like the space between heaven and what if hell is real. What if hell? Israel. What if hell? Israel. She's so funny. She's so funny. She was in funny. Oh I thought she was in Knocked Up. She was in um Amy's. Yes, yes. Oh my God. She is fantastic in everything she does. Yeah. Um What's different this time around with the scrubber dubs? What's different? Well that we're the oldies and we used to be the newbies. Sure. like you, know we, were twenty four, twenty five and twenty six when we started and and uh I felt like I was kind of like learning on the job, you know, it was like such a gift and like working with all of them and with Bill and um so the diff the biggest difference is yeah, like everything else is exactly the same. Like the same exact sets. They rebuilt the exact hospital. Yeah. Same character, same people you're with. And the difference is that we have to keep walking in. It was such a trip. It was like a dream. Not what? What were you gonna say? Sorry. Well it just like we all thought because the whole the hospital's torn down, we all thought like, oh it'll get kind of like the old one, like seventy percent of the way there. It's like it's identical. Wow. Like and just what you were saying before of like when you watch an episode, like what comes back? This the scene, the memories. So walking onto that set the first time was like I I mean I grew up my whole twenties was like that specific cafeteria, that specific, you know, ICU, all of the all of the the things. So it was it was wild. It was super surreal. And I knew it would be fun going back and it actually was even more fun than I had thought. Were there ever serious medical emergencies on the set of scrubs? 'Cause dying in a fake hospital would be really frustrating. So like weird that you should ask. It actually was a functioning hospital for years. And so people would come up and we'd be like dressed as as doctors, there's like background actors that are like bleeding from their head and someone comes up like covered in blood and we're like, it's not a hospital. Wait, what are you talking about A real guy in blood? Oh yeah, yeah. No patients. Like people that needed to go to urgent care would d pull up and we'd be like, oh, this is not a hospital. You give them a script. You're lying, you're doing it great. It's ow, wow, wow, wow, But then unfortunately Zach Braff is gonna just hit your knee with one of those rubber things. Because he's going through a thing where he's nervous about bandages. So so that's all that's all you get. So JD doesn't like bandages, so unfortunately he can't bandage you this episode. That's his arc. That's his arc. So that's too late . But then you tell the writers 'cause then they can learn from that experience. Yeah, yeah, it makes it because you don't bandage somebody and then it's like you have to write it in. Then you have to use that take because they did. So that would happen, that's crazy. Yeah, it was actually crazy. People thought you were a doctor. And then you'd be like, Wanna run my lines with me while you're here. Wow. Oh you have some doctor jargon? What's your go to Dr. Jargon Riff? Superior mesenteric insufficiency. Superior mesenteric insufficiency. Wow, what does that mean? Superior. You're pretty above thoracic. Thoracic cavity. That's one of mine. Oh thoracic cavity. You gotta have it at thoracic park. Thoracic park. Welcome to thoracic park and it opens, and there's a T-Rex in there. I didn't know that one. That's good. Well, what is it? I'm blanking a lot today. Clever girl. Clever girl. Who cares? Who cares? Was that worth it? Zebraf. So I texted Zebraf. Okay, okay, okay. Don't worry, they're all nice. Accident prone. We kind of covered that. Like every day you fall. Yeah, Zach told the kids, the new kids, Chalky's gonna injure herself every day there's gonna be something broken, and every day she's gonna come and be like, so I was driving down town and you're not gonna believe what happened to me. And then the next day was the day before shooting and I was jogging down the backside of a mountain slipped and broke my finger. You can see it. That ring right here. It's not better. It's been six months. I'm so sorry. So that was the day before. So if you watch the scrub episodes of Scrubs between this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. Um That's serious. Looks like a turnip. This is how it no, it's not cute. This is how my hand is. No, turnips are very cute. Yes, go ahead. You were taped. I have a not cute turnip finger. I'm doing a very dorky sport apparently limbo, which I thought was cool. Um I I'm taped like this for all the episodes of it. Like I have like a claw. But yeah, it was the day before, and I went to breakfast with Zach and the producers and I didn't want to tell anyone and worry them because we were shooting the next day, so I didn't say anything. So I'll x-ray it later. And I sit down and Zach's like my my sweater falls as I'm telling a story. And he's like, why are you bleeding from your arm? And I was like, oh yeah, I fell. While I'm telling the story, the server trips all the food and water on the tray onto my lap. So I'm bleeding for my arm, I have a broken finger, I'm covered in food. And they were all like nothing has changed in 25 years. Like you just I just attract like these weird, sometimes accident prone, but also just an energy. But it's an energy like you're like a mosquito zapper, but for like disasters. But for for disasters , and that's what that's what everyone at Scrubs would say every day. I would come in on a Monday morning for eight years and be like, You're not gonna believe what happened. And it would be like from, you know, like last year, I just I skied into my boyfriend, took him out, tore my MCL, he fell on top of me, just took him out, took him out on the hill, just took him And that was it. But it's not just like I think it's an important distinction that it's not just disasters. Like it's it's also just like weird . Like I'm trying to think of one that's not a painful one, but more just like a something that just wouldn't happen to someone. Oh, I know. I was um in uh I was like 19 probably and my best friend was in film school and she was in film school with like it was like a time when there was like only two girls in film school and the rest were guys and they were like the coolest group of guys and we go to parties with them and I'd be like, oh they're so cool. One of them was doing background work on a show, a local show I was doing in Vancouver, 'cause he was a writer so he could write and do his background stuff. And I was like, oh my God, hey, how's it going? And we're chatting. It's a night shoot. I'm wearing this like skirt and a top that's like a tube top that's like tied. It's like this light gauzey fab ric, and I'm telling him a story and I'm like gesticulating a lot. And he's such a gentleman, he doesn't break eye contact with me. And he's like, I'm sorry to interrupt, but um, I just have to tell you your shirt is around your waist . And I was like, what ? This man needs a plaque. He just stayed on your eyes. Another another choice is that's shame though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. They stayed with your dignity. But didn't And it was just like, just so you know. Your shirt is off. I've never talked to a person who didn't know their shirt was off, but you seem to be one of them. I I I am. And I was nineteen and my the whole and I was this that moment where you go, do I just put it up, tie it up, keep talking? Do I run and cry? Do I just like a manhole? You jump in a manhole. That's why that's the only people think manholes are there to get access to pipes. It's when your shirt's shirt is around your waist. You don't know it is. And the guy goes, Your shirt's off. You go, Great. Manhole. Ninja Turtles arcade game. Just two blinking white eyes. And you just wait for him to leave. That's it. That's what manholes are for. And you st you stay down there. Sometimes it might be days . It could be days. Maybe you train some turtles. Maybe they're calling you for your scene. Doesn't matter. You don't. What did you do? I pulled it up and I tied it up and I kept talking. Yeah. That's a good idea. It was the only it was really the only choice in that moment. That's your new memoir. Second only to manhole. Totally. New book. I love the act. This is what he said. Accident prone, you go on vacation and someone will be sick. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like we just went on vacation and Zach was like, how's the holiday? I was like, oh, it's great. My littlest got pneumonia. The three other three of us got, you know, the flu uh he's like of course do you ever just go on trip? Do you ever just do trip? I was like, we don't do trip. We don't do trip. And is your whole family do they have the the evil eye on them as well? I feel like the evil evil. No, it's the goofy eye. It's not the evil eye, but it's I feel like I am at the epicenter of it and um maybe the if I'm being honest, probably the the causer of a lot of it. Like I they know more where they're Yeah. But you send in mom they have normal wingspan to body ratios. Oh do they? Yeah. Oh it skips a generation. Their kids are gonna be Yeah. Yeah like model airplanes. Oh oh yeah. Like you can just put them together. Like a Howard Hughes airplane. The wings were way too long. But it was like wooden. They were figuring it out. That's your body. It's figuring it out. I am a model airplane that has not quite figured it out. I don't know . I asked Katie, you were a little early, and I was going to look it up, and this is why I don't know. But you were on Roseanne. Was I early? You were a little early. Dear Diary. Dear Diary . Today was the day. My apologies. My apologies for being early. To d what? Barge away. Barge. Are we calling it a barge now? Wasn't a barge. Barge is where you put trash at the sea. That's a barge. You were just a little early. I don't know why this. Why this rift? I hated it. I liked it. You liked it? I liked it. I just no I, was gonna I'm embarrassed that I don't know you were on the original Roseanne ? I was. And you were Becky? You're like Becky two slash four? I was I two slash four. What does this mean? So Zach told me that they would swap the original. There was an original Becky and there was you. Yes. You were replacing Becky. Yes, yes, yes. Tell me everything. I don't know anything. It's kind of um wild. I was in Vancouver and I like worked a tiny bit. And by a tiny bit I mean like on all of the movies of the week shot up there, like the beginning of my resumes, like Moment of Truth, Semicolon Stand Against Fear, Relentless the Mind of a Killer, Our Mother's Murder, Dying to Belong. You can get the there's a lot of colons, a lot of semicolons . Subtitles, part of it's in italics. Changing titles, a lot of italics, had something's in bold and then there's something tiny down here. It it it was was it was title and then something else would dissolve it. There's a lot of like formally known as like it was mood in development. Because there was a real movie that had that title. Yeah totally. That was taken.. Yeah, yeah Forgotten. The woodland killings. Okay. And you were in the woodland killings. I was in the woodland killings. But then Roseanne. Well yeah, but it was it was not a they were doing a like nation wide in Canada and the States search for a Becky because Lisi Gorenson who played Becky had done it for five years and she was going away to college and so they had decided they were going to try and replace the character, but with a new character or with a new actor? With a new actor, like exactly the same character. So when I got the sides, I was auditioning with this guy in Canada, we were putting on tape, and it was like Becky and Mark w had been whited out and they put like Susan and Paul or something and we're doing this scene and he's like, I've seen this scene. It's from the Roseanne show. And I was like, oh weird. It's for a new series filming in nineteen ninety four. And they're just using these sides, I guess. So I put a VHS tape in the mail and then they were like, uh, you know, it's actually for the Roseanne show replacing Becky and come down and audition. And there was seven of us. And they they wanted to see if you could kind of be on a tape night set. So they had like four cameras and they were calling out numbers and they had a laugh track and Glenn Quinn who was 24 and Irish and gorgeous. I'm doing the scene with him and the whole scene was making out. And I'm tw16 and he's like, baby, baby, come here. And I'm like get a job at the gas station. Come here b,aby baby, come here. Get a job at the gas station. That was the scene. And I remember thinking, like, how am I gonna remember one line? Like I'm 16. I cause he's a babe. He yes, he was and he's like Irish and just like s I yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was a And you want him to work at the gas station. And I want him to work at the get a job get a not a job, a job. And I'm sitting there trying not to have my Canadian accent. Yes. Oh yeah, Glenn and I were sent to an accent dialect coach up Fryman Canyon 's Irish accent me to get rid of my cannon. I got it. I know the deal. Totally. No more uh So you're sixteen and you have to do a make out scene with somebody who's extremely dreamy on a a hit show. This is a big deal. Yeah, and it was at a time where there were no shows. No shows. It was there was eleven shows. It was number one at the time. And at the time it was number one. And then okay, so you get there wh you get it from this tape. And then you and then you sign a deal and it was like, you know, seven days they were supposed to let us know. So I fly back to Canada and then on night six they're like fly back tomorrow morning and do a scene with Roseanne. So I did four down to four of us and we're on the couch with Roseanne and she turns to me. She's like, how old are you? And I was like, 16. And she's like, no, how old are you really? And I was like, sixteen. Like the idea of lying about my age like would not have occurred to me. Yeah, right. Like and all the other girls I was auditioning with were like twenty two and had moved to LA and I think they were worried like since I was the youngest that I would also want to leave to go to school. And so they called me and I got the job and I told a few people and it spread around our high school like immediately because it sounded like such a weird lie. Like there's eleven shows on TV and I'm like, I'm gonna be on that show and I'm gonna be playing her, that girl that already has the part. I'm gonna do that. Yeah,ah, ye yeah. That is so my girlfriend's in Canada. And you were in Canada. It's such a classic like, yeah, I'm gonna be Urkel . What? I'm Urkel now. Now I am. And there's eight shows. Yeah. Yeah. And then they called me after that weekend and they were like, we actually having cold feet about replacing Becky, so we don't know if we're gonna do it. But if we do, it'll be you, but we're gonna put you on hold for four months. And I was like, Okay, so no one's ever gonna talk to me at school again if this doesn't happen because they're gonna think I'm the weirdo who lied about being Becky on the Roseanne show. Wow. So they gave me ten thousand dollars for the summer to be on hold. And then uh and then at the end of the summer they're like, yeah, we're gonna do it. Come down. It was like I I couldn't believe that amount of money existed. I was like, I guess I never have to work on the money You could have paid off your high school . Like, shut up Oh, who's begging? Shut up. Your weird pink money. Shut the fuck up. Why's the queen on it? I don't know. We have a weird history. It's not the queen. Who's on the money? Is it the queen? Yeah, yeah. All right. Riff stands. The riff plays. The riff plays. So I had my summer money and just sat there on it and was like, well, I hope this happens. And then it did. And they called you in. Yeah, they sat at the end of the summer. They're like, yeah, come down, we're gonna do this. Okay. And then look, this isn't like a gossip pod, but I've heard Rosanna's kinda nutty. It's not a gossip pod. It's not a things you've worked with TMZ gossip pod. So can you imagine I literally have not worked and I'm sixteen. I have no business. being there I have no idea what I'm doing. And it was like, you know, walking onto this . I'm pre-dead, by the way. Where like literally had no idea what I was doing. Like I didn't even know I knew nothing about anything. So like right from like if you think about all the things that are just kind of second nature now like continuity or like just how to learn your lines. Where to put a glass after you drink some. Where to put it, and then remember that's where you put it last time on that exact same line. And then like and then this other element of the live audience that was like felt like doing a play, which I actually loved. They're stoked to be there. Stoked to be there. And then uh you know, I I just w would would look around and it would be like John Goodman, Lori Metcalf, Sandra Bernhard, Fred Rollard, Martin Maul, Johnny Galecki, Sarah Gilbert, like the craziest group of comedians that you can imagine, all piled into one room. It's an incredible cast. It's an incredible cast. And I would just watch, like I remember watching Lori Metcalf, and like I had no frame of reference for any of this. I keep in mind had worked on Relentless the Mind of the Killer where I played the daughter who answered the phone. So the totality of my body of work was mom, phone and I'd say mom, phone and they'd be like, don't say mom, say mom. And that was kind of like hang it up with your long arms. Try to step a f take a few steps away from the receiver before you hang it up. It looks weird. Your gait is weird. Don't jump over the cord. Oh, we got it. That's a rap. That's a rap on Howard Hughes playing. This is what they call me from now on. H HP. There's nothing better we can get from that, so we're just gonna have to go with H HP's best work, which is not that great. Um in every take. Up till that point. Util that point. Util that point. Thank you very much. So so Okay, so you're watching Lori? So I'm watching Lori and like getting to watch her do like the table read on Monday and then come in then on Tuesday and do something totally different and then on Wednesday. Like that was all Brenn an. Like she was always evolving and trying things and so brave and so interesting. And like we were talking about before with Jason Schwartzman and just that difference of somebody who's just like got it. Got it. Yeah. And tries everything. Isn't she like a Tony winner? I mean she won all sorts of like Yeah. She's a force. She's a force. So you're watching this. You're learning probably learning a lot from this person. Learning so much. So on the one hand, like obviously so grateful for this job that was like I insane to have gotten that lucky to have that as like one of like pretty much your first job. And then the flip side of that, being 16 and so young, and a young 16, and kind of like not understanding any of it. Like if you think about the whole like there's the on set piece, but there's also the whole piece that came with stepping onto a number one show that come and everything that comes with that that I didn't understand that nobody tells you about that wasn't explained, you know, the the stacks of mail from people in penitentiaries that get sent to you as a sixteen year old and you find it one day and you're like, oh that's that's an interesting letter to read. And then like to like yeah, to like going to like the weekend publicity. Like people are in love with you? Yeah, there's writing you mail that gets sent to the show that then gets forwarded to you, but you're a kid. And then like, you know, going to the after um work, you know, they'll be like, oh on Sunday there's a a press thing and I kind of thought like, oh, that's just part of your job. Like I didn't realize it was optional. So I didn't understand to even ask what it was. I would just show up. And it'd be like, huh, where's the rest of the cast? And it would be like me. It was like Battle of the Network stars. And it'd be like me, Mario Lopez, Tina Youthers, and they would hand us like Adidas like hot pants and a sports bra, and you're doing like the superstar American gladiators events, which are like girl on girl wrestling, human pinball, scaling up a wet volcano with like a gladiator shooting a hose of water down at you as you like scramble up this volcano. And I'm like seventeen and just kind of against Mario Lopez. There's no way. There's no way. I didn't get a chance. And like He's already up there. He's at the top. You're getting hosed. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be a He's already up there telling me what movies are in my hotel So like so it was just ev everything was new. Like going to Yeah, you just didn't know. I remember going to a premiere and I had a dress and I put it on and I had these really weird shoes. I still remember what they were. And my mom was like, should you go buy some shoes to go with this dress? And I remember being like, No, why would I do that? I have a perfectly good pair of shoes on my feet and I would be like on the worst dress list and like like I just which I didn't care about at the time either. But I just didn't somebody could have protected. When I look back on it, there were so many elements that come along with knowing that I just didn't Yeah, you were a baby in the woods. You were Canadian in the woods. As a Canadian babe in the woods. Yeah, yeah. 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Don't go down the rabbit hole. Amazon Health AI gets you the right care fast. Healthcare just got less painful. But was uh I mean I watched a documentary I forget what it's called, but it's on YouTube. I recommend it. It was a trip about Roseanne . I remember Chuck Laurie was like one of the writers. Was he writing when you were there? Yeah, I mean, my you know, experience on that show was so different from Scrubs in terms of the writers. Like the writers on Scrubs, we were in an abandoned hospital and so they were right there. So we'd go for lunches all together. We'd go to the money tree after Friday nights. I went to some of their weddings, like I became close with all of them. On Roseanne, it was a very different experience. Like the writing staff, um like in an unfortunate way that I regret, I never really got I mean obviously such a talented group and I never got to know them partly because like They were sequestered, right? I mean, they were sequestered. They would come to set um one day I remember everybody got fired. Um the writers, the whole how I remember it was the whole writing staff. Maybe it was the whole writing staff, but two people, maybe it was half of them but as a kid my recollection was that it was on a whim perhaps I I don't know that's yeah Roseanne had f had fired them and I don't remember I still don't know the story to this day. Because I was fired of well and I get rid of them. And I'm not telling tales out of school. Like this is like this is talked about. And it's like, you know, and now there's so many. Like, I wish I'd kept a journal. I wish I had kept a journal for so many reasons to remember like what it felt like and kind of like all the, you know, different uh ins and outs of it. But it was yeah, it was definitely um not a not a writer's room that I was I would never get to go hang out with. So in terms of like all of the writers that were there and not there at different times, like that was a bummer like in jobs since you know, you obviously get to be close with the writers and get to know them. Yeah,ah ye. And that wasn't I was kind of like sequestered and like we would be Michael Fisher and I would go up to the school room. There's a school room right above and you'd go up to the school room and do your classes that you're missing and Well Okay Sweet. Do you oh do you go first? No, you. No. No. Is the name of this video Pete Holmes? No, it's not. It uh it comes. Nope. Nope. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go . So she fires the whole staff like a czar of some sort. Like, that's it. Everybody's gone. Was that like how quickly a new staff was just brought it. I don't remember. Yeah, you couldn't. I don't remember. I don't and I pr I don't even know that I knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what how how what transition happened. What's interesting about this documentary that's on YouTube, I forget what it's called, but it it's called like seven Aires, seven days to showtime or something. And it's a week at Roseanne. Oh wow. And it is the height of like flying so close to the sun as a hit show. Meaning egos are big. I I'm not even trying to drag Roseanne or anybody. I'm just saying it was at a time when, like I said, you're flying too close to the sun, you're making too much money, too many people are watching, and things are just getting kind of insane. Was it tense doing the show ? Um, was it tense? I, you know, my recollection of the feeling of being there, it wasn't um, and maybe it's because I was a kid. And so I think probably, you know, there was a lot of things that went on that I didn't even know about. Um my recollection of it was there was a piece of it that was a very well-oiled machine by the time I got there. It was season six. So it was like it was a four-day work week. It was like a Monday table read. You came in for a 35-minute table read and you left and went home. Tuesday and Wednesday were short. I just can't say that. No. Scrubs has to be long. Scrubs scrubs long as well. Scrubs in the OG days was long because that was the days of network television where it was like there was no there was no real like you have to be out after twelve hours. You know, like we would go seventeen. We would go Yeah, you know, we'd go into thece Noti there are no kids on that on that side. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like let's grind it grind it. But a multi chem thirty five minute table read, then the next day rehearse for a few hours. Bro. Ten to one.. Ne Nextxt da dayy we pre-tape a tiny bit, I think. Some days or some days it was just rehearsal and network run through. And then Thursday was tape day, which I think started like pre-taping noon to five. Everyone takes a dinner break, come back with the live audience, and the live audience was tight. It was like you know, it was they had the warm-up guy and then uh the ladder on his gin. I feel like there was totally totally the ladder on his gin. I feel like it was like you know, we did a couple tapes . I know. I I believe it. And then Thursday night, and then they didn't work on Fridays anymore. Unbelievable. And I would fly back to Vancouver. The fucking sweetest. It's like it belongs in history books that humanity that used to like kill a iguana with a coconut and roast it. We got so far that people would work for four hours and make six million dollars. Yeah. Yeah. I I didn't because I was a Canadian who had a Canadian agent that was like two years older than me. So we were like for free? Sure. Yeah, right. Um still every everybody else I mean a lot of the people there were getting incredibly rich. What a r it's like I don't know, I just get uh lit up about rackets like that. Like like like I love the movie The Big Short where they like short the how they're I just love like somebody figured this out. That's how I feel about multi cam television. Yeah, it's the big short. I think people will watch this and we can do it in forty five minutes. Should we should we try and do a forty week instead of a five day week? Yes. I mean it they did that on Big Bang. They stopped doing four day uh they did four day weeks, I believe. Because once you're at a certain level And it's like it just works. Everybody we're talking about Big Bang now. Everybody in that building, you know, on this in the cast is a multi, multi-multi-millionaire, and they're all just trying to go like, do I have to be here on Friday? And everyone has to be like, you know what? No. We're very sorry. Goodbye. Yeah. We're gonna make this a two-day week. It's incre I mean, just a phenomen on. Zebraf told me to tell you about ask about Z uh Tom Arnold. What what was his Zebraf asked you I'm trying to think if what he was thinking about when he said that I mean my My experien try to get some Tom Arnold stories out of her. My experience of Tom was that like when I first got the job well before I got the job I auditioned and he called me at home and he was like, It's Tom Arnold here. And I'm at home in Vancouver, like waiting to find out if I have the job. And I was like, hi . Hey. Hi, Tom Arnold. You seen true lies? I'll hold. He stays on the line while you watch it. Aren't you not in the rest of it? But see the whole piece . Watch it. I'll be waiting. I'll be here. I'll be here. Yes. I'd like a report, please, on my desk. Tom Arnold was the best friend of the 90s. Like in every it seems like every movie he was the funny best friend. Yeah, yeah. He was he totally yeah he totally was and he was so he was super funny to me the whole time and super funny. But on the call he was like trying to think figure out if I was gonna if he hired me, if I'd be the one that would go away to school. Because Lacey had left to go to college and Sarah had left to go to college, but they she was still in the show, like they would she would come back and they would power film like a few scenes and they built sets in New York and would fill a bunch there. So um he was trying to he's like you ever gonna go to college? And I was like, no. No. Terrible coach. Were you coached to say that? No, I just knew instinctively. And I also knew instinctively I was gonna go to college, but that I just wouldn't give up this opportunity . I would do it after or on the side. Yeah. No. No, college gross. Absolutely not. Disgusting. Gross. Why would I can't wait to stop with this whole school bullshit. Get me in that fake kitchen. Get me on that couch with that blanket. So he just sniffed you out a little bit. Mm-hmm. And I was like, no, I don't want to go to college and weren't you there wasn't like the oh go ahead keep going. And then and then yeah, and then they they called and gave me the job. And then he was there for the next couple of years and was always yeah, he was always super good to me. Um I remember he was I my memory of him was being pretty involved. Like he was uh all the tapings and I thought giving notes. Yeah. Like uh your daughter. Clipboard. Yeah. Coming in, flying in some hot nose. What about Johnny Goodman? Oh I mean he seems like a national treasure. He's a legend. He's a legend. He's a legend. What is this deal? Why is he so good? He's I and he's Why is he so good? I think he's just born that way, or does he work really hard? I don't know why he's working. It's hard to know. He's got that Gallifanakian sort of like there's just something in the slump of his shoulders that the way he moves. And he can make you laugh so hard, but he can also break your heart. Like when he did the like heartbreaking scenes, like his his dressing room was right beside mine . And uh and I remember like, you know, if we were walking out the same time he'd always be like, Hey kid, go luck tonight, kid and he was just so kind to me and like he didn't need to do that. He needed to he didn't need to go out of his way to like you know try and make me feel more comfortable. But he was he was incredible to watch. Like talk about I feel like when I think back on it, that's what stands out is like just the w him and Laurie both just like I I couldn't believe them because they are that kind of like Jason Schwartman Schwartzman type that true just true actors. True actors that you just can't just such interesting choices and never like a fake moment. I know. Have you seen um Cloverfield Lane? Uh-huh. You didn't lines that are you in touch with him? No, sadly not. I've I mean I have you know, we see each other as different things and it's like I 'm seeing I understand. You know, it's always great to see when I do, but not on a regular basis. Yeah. Uh what is it called? Is it called something Cloverfield Lane? It doesn't matter. The Cloverfield Lane movie. Ten Cloverfield Lane. I keep sending my mail to eight Cloverfield Lane. I've been sending it to the wrong movie. But he's a creepy guy. It's like uh it's almost like misery. Oh, that's great. And he's the Kathy Bates and it's really it'll give you the willies. It's a great movie. Jija Ebram's JJ. I believe it's JJ. It's JJ. Is it JJ? We don't know. What if who directed it? Dan Trachtenberg. I'm sorry, Dan Trachtenberg. I believe J J produced it because it's Cleverfield, but it's so good. Really, really good. Um oh this is what I was gonna ask you. We're talking about on Scrub's acting. What's a great lesson you learned about acting in general? Like what's something that really clicked and sort of up leveled your wonderful talent set. I feel like um the letting go of caring about what you look like, what anyone thinks when you tr do something. You know, like just having like a complete like uh blank slate, kind of no self consciousness about how something might come across. Um, I think I love that was probably something actually from Scrubs too. Uh is just like, yeah, just does well trust the process. Trust the process. Take some risks. Yeah. Yeah. Take risks. Um I guess another thing would be life experience kind of like there's certain things you can't actually know when you're sixteen or that you can't act when you're twenty-four more and more. Like I you know, when you have to do a scene and you have to cry, like I remember on Scrubs, like putting on my Josh Radens sad song playlist in my iPod, you know, and you're trying to get there and now it's like you've lived life. Yeah. It's not as hard. And there I I totally agree with you. I feel like I'm improving as an actor and I'm not doing anything to do that other than just having more experiences. And I do feel like people that broke early often had like like I think of like Joaquin Phoenix and how brilliant he is. And I'm like, well he had like a very like interesting life, you know, and and and that comes off that I think that's what we relate to when we say like soul or gravitas, where like they've been there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I think that's true. And I think some people, yeah, like that have either been there earlier or had more complexity. And I think like that's just something that has, you know, come along with time. I think the other thing too is probably with comedy especially is just actually with both . But it comes to mind with comedy is the observation. Like I feel like so much of it is like what I find funny is just as you get older, just in the observing of things because it's I feel like it's in the details. It's in the tiny little m moments. Yeah. Truth. Yeah. There was a there's a writer I really like. His name is Rich Talarico, and he was an improviser in Chicago and he gave an interview and he was talking about comedy. I was just absorbing everything I could about comedy. And the example he used was noticing how your mother whispers when she says the word cancer. And I was like, that's so funny. It's not funny, but it's like a detail. It's something that's real that you see people do, then when you see somebody like Kristen Wig do something like that, you're like, that's funny because I've seen that. Like cancer. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're like, it's true. Yeah, or divorce. They got divorced. They got divorced. Didn't work out. And you're like, why are we they're not but it's real. People do that. Yeah. I think that on the on airplanes all the time. I'm just listening to regular like businessmen. Yeah. Businessmen talk like they're in a fucking it's like the Shakespeare of our time. You know what I mean? It's so fake. It's like, well, I'm gonna get there a couple days early, maybe hit the links. It's like, do you know you're talking like that? Like I feel like a child. I'm like, why are you being fake? Hug each other. You love each other. Totally. Like we could die any time. Talking about the game. And you yes, and you that's how you're living? Well don't get me started on the Seahawks. I'm like Wake Up You know what I mean? This is it. Yes. This isn't a rehearsal. This is it Kiss him. I think I I feel I think it's all sex. Kiss him. But I I feel them trying to have like a connection, but they have to be like, well, call me crazy, but I love a saltine. Oh this can't be your life. This can't be your life. It is. But the problem is it is. And I just like what you just said about like it's so short like I think that's what I've I turned fifty in the summer and I feel like it's that Tom Arnold walks in. I know like he's still tracking. But the the math does no no You were 16. Oh, it was Roseanne that thought you were lying about your age. 50. But yeah, it's like it's so short. It's a minute. Yeah. It's a minute. Can we please have a real conversation? You're dead. You're dead.. You're dead You're already dead. And this is your day. And this is it. You can't be talking about, well, I like getting a movie in the hotel room. No can't. There's no time. Shut up. There's no time. Call your dad and cry. Call your dad and cry. No. And then kiss him. And then kiss him. You know you want to kiss him. Like I feel like that's so I feel like oh I meant his seat partner. Yeah, not your dad. Kiss him. But all you know what? Whatever you want to give your dad an appropriate little smoochie. I just feel like um maybe I it's it it obviously that feeling grows with you like every year, but I feel like so much specifically now, and maybe it's because I'm watching like all of my nieces and nephews graduate and leave home and my son's sixteen, but it just feels like it's a minute. Yeah, go. It's just a minute, go. Do it now. Have that moment with your kid that you were dreaming of today, please. Today. Just please do it. Today. If your shirt falls down when you're talking somewhere out, there's always a manhole. There's always a manhole. There's always a manhole. You can jump in it. If everything goes wrong, you did made a mistake just jump in the manhole. We're almost out of time, and I love you, and I've loved every moment. We're gonna do a speed round. Have you ever seen a ghost? You look you've seen a ghost. Oh yeah. No, I worked at Scrubs. There's a what in the morgue? Go in the drawer in the morgue. Who did it? Braff? Uh I thought nobody did it till recently and I found out one crew member actually did do it towards the end, Patrick. But um What did he do? What did he see? Nothing? I didn't hear it 'cause I only call I haven't talked to him since months ago. He's still in the drawer. So yes, and there was like you could hear gurneys going back and forth. Apparently, the security guards at night said they would hear the gurneys going back and forth on the hallways at night. So yes, the answer is yes. But what did you see? What did I see? No ghosts. Just stories of ghosts. Stories. Stories of ghosts. I feel like it's one of those things where like once that conversation started, then you'd be like all of our dressing rooms were old hot So then I don't know if I just felt the ghost 'cause it was so much discussion over it. It's hard to be sure if it's the feeling of a ghost or just Zach. Or just exactly. Just him. Just like leering. Just yeah, just loomin' ch anging. Lingering. Hanging out. Hangin' out. Who knows? Picture Dax, take it down a notch. Just kidding. I'm just I I think I'm having fun knowing that Zach will listen to this, so I love I love trying to tickle. What a what a good and fair man. Fair? Fair? Fair? You ever seen a UFO? Uh I have not, but I You're on the lookout. I I will see one. You seem like the kind that it's like, let's let's show her the Dorito in this guy. Yeah. I it's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's definitely coming. They also respect your lack of aerodynamicism. Lack of aerodynamic dynamicism. Totally. They're like that one gets us. Yeah. Yeah. She also shouldn't they also have a obviously not same wingspan to height. That's right. They have very long arms. So The Greys . I probably You're a Gray. Yeah. Fifty shades of gray. Fifty shades of gray. Second mention. That's right back around. Right back around. Eight shades of orange. And then what about the meaning of life? Do you have any sort of framework for what's going on here ? Oh man, I really uh I hope that this isn't all there is. I hope we get a couple trips. Oh, okay. Hope we get a few trips. Hope we get a lot lot of of tri trips. A ps. A lot of trips to work things out. Yeah. To figure out the stuff we didn't figure out in this lifetime. Learn those less. Learn those less. Onto hospital. See you a fellow abriefs. Loving a brief. I love an abrief. Zee Braf. Zeb zeb Zeb. Zebra zebra. Zebra. Zebra. Zebra. Zebra zebra next. From now on. From now on, that's all I'm gonna call him. Um yeah, my kids are always like, Mom, you can't s there's no word you can say I'm like I don't have the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they like it too, so where's a t shirt they do, they do. What's the ish? What's the ish? Yeah. Fucking get in line, bitch. Yeah. Um do you think when you die it's over? I mean we got ghosts in the scrubs hospital, so it seems like maybe we I don't I do not I do not want to think that. Yeah. Yeah, I do not want to think that's honestly I do not want to think that I don't want to think that. There's part of me if, I'm being complet ely honest, that uh kind of does, and I do not want to think that I believe in so many things that would counter that. So I uh I'm a very strong manif believer in manifesting I I m I and I do wish and hope that we uh yeah that we get a several rounds in your life you're we're manifesting. Um I board you got a vision. Ye,ah I got a vision. I got a I got a V. Still got Vige? I got a V B. Yeah. Still out there V B in it. All the time. Every year. Are you th you're why they rebooted it? I am. You've had the board. It's true. It is true. Did you? Yeah. You didn't reboot it. No, I did what I did was I said um I'd worked on a show that I loved but I had to die of cancer in it and I had to cry like six times a day. And I said I want to do a comedy like scrub I want to do a comedy next. I want to do a comedy like Scrubs that felt like Scrubs that shoots in Vancouver. You shattered. And that was two years before it happened. You shattered that. It's real. Somewhere Bill Lawrence was like Cancel the nine HBO shows . I'm going to Peacock. Is it on Peacock? It's it's on it's ABC. And ABC. Yes, yes. I mean, who makes more shows than Bill? Nobody and they're all good. I love all of them. But he got a chill that day and he was like, I gotta do it. Yeah, and I gotta do it in MagCouver. Um and uh it's gotten to the point now where I I get worried about saying things out loud because I'm like I think it's gonna happen. Like my I get requests now. My niece, one of my nieces like, I want a boyfriend. Um I get uh You guys out there granting wishes? I'm just granting wishes. I burnt an abundance kit. Um You burnt an abundance kit? Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know I just found that something said abundance kit and you burn it and you say what you want. I'm like, I'll do that. Yeah, sure. Great, I'll do it. I've manifested but it started it's not a recent thing. Like I did you ever do the artist way? I did morning pages. I never really did the whole way. I did I didn't go the whole artist way. You didn't Thank you. Thank you for finishing the work . I really appreciate it. I uh I did it when I was like twenty three and I pretty much wrote down exactly scrubs at the end of it and then that happened a couple months later. You mean I wanna be on an ensemble com edy with z a zebra. With one zebra. With one zebra. And I was like, I just wanna I wanna do I wish I could well, you know what's interesting for our next conversation one day, Pete. I did find my morning pages recently. Which is another thing I said out loud. We're talking about the artist way. I said, Fuck, I wish I could just find my morning pages. Cut to, two weeks later, cleaning up the garage. Found the morning pages. This just happened. I haven't read them. But I'd be curious if it was in there that had the like I remember writing it out like a comedy that feels different and and uh kind of wrote out very similar to the a lot of the shins. Well Josh Raden well Colin Hay. Yes. Um and uh I mean you did it. Little Toto . And and I did it. It's amazing. So you're out there festing. Yeah, I'm festing. So I yeah, I still I definitely believe in the believe festing. I'm gonna call you Coachella. Wait, am I gonna be Coachella? Is that my new nickname from now on? You know Cella? Why do you call her Cella? Because she's fasted. What does that mean? She's manifesting. It's nickname that takes it's it's a it's a long way around the block, but it's gonna be worth it just. What does that mean? It means carry-on. It means carry on. What does that mean? It means carry-on. Carry on. Keep calming, carry-and-month. gone and K keeepep calm and Carrie Ann mine. Keep calm and Carrie Ann for the picture of Trinity. For the picture of Trinity. Cella . Cella . Cello which I like. I played the cello for seven years and one of my new goals is to relearn it. So then I will have another use for the nickname Chella. Nice. Because I'll be colour and cello. What do you want to do? Why is uh Scrabys rebooties coming backies? We will find out any minute. Oh I turn on my phone, maybe Do it. What if you got it? Make it happen. Chell it. Chell it. Got it. I feel like it is. Here's why. Sometimes when I'm on stage I ask people what they're watching because I I like that more than what do you do? And people be saying scrubs a lot. They do be sand screws. People be saying scrubs. Luchos . So I mean so it's to say it at a comedy club it's not just I'm watching, it's like I know everyone's watching it. That's my little crowdsource. We'll take it. Well it was uh just so much fun and I would love to do more 'cause it's like there's nothing quite obviously, you know, this like you wanna try everything and do all the different things so you're never getting bored, but there's something specifically great about being on a comedy set that is not replicable that I love so much. No, I to do a little chellen myself, like to be on an ensemble comedy. Like I've done like Festons now just become chellen. So now it's just like something that I would love to do is be on something where you're funny and there's there's uh something that I think is very like like always sunny where there's bloopers where people are messing up and breaking and you're together and you're doing it all together. And honestly, like having written a show and and acted on it, having someone else like a Bill Lawrence writing it, I mean, I like being involved and improving or riffing or whatever or pitching, but having someone else write it, it's just you and your fucking friends in a fake fucking hospital that's haunted. And then having people like Vanessa Bay comeer in? Yeah, you tell the play around and then she's like I talk about like just you know breaking and and and then having to, you know, in your own head be like get your shit together. Everyone has a family. Everyone wants to go home. Like when it's that bad that you actually don't know if you're gonna be able to do it. When you're laughing that hard that you're like, I actually don't know that we'll get this. That's my that's all I want. That's all I want. There's this scene in crashing where uh this guy uh David Jesskow kept wrapping his towel higher and higher on his body and I've thought about it since I've thought about it for ten years. I'm like I don't even know if he did it to be funny which made it funnier. Like maybe that's just where he wears his towel. So he's coming out of the shower. I start dying laughing because I think it's this big choice. It's above his belly button. But then I think I'm like, again, Jess Cow, I don't know. That might just be like a what middle-aged guys do. I don't know. to Mywel keeps creeping up. That's all I say . So he couldn't know . I didn't. There's a scene. It's also like three in the morning. It's a Sarah Silverman episode and and I'm watching if you watch it now, my eyes are red and I there's tears in them. It's a normal scene. I'm supposed to be like, uh, I'm gonna go to bed. And you can tell, I was weeping , weeping with laughter. It made the show. There's no reason I should be like me, Steve A. G, and Jess Cow, and we were dying because of his towel. And now the twist, the funniest But you needed another decade under your belt to know that like oh maybe that's under my very high belt. Under my high towel belt. Keeps going up. I mean it was it was almost a boob cover. It was like so high. Just just south of boob. But he's also like going on HBO, showing his body. Maybe he wanted more coverage. But to us, yeah. God, that was one of the best. So you you chelling good. I I mean it was some it was some super uh You're picking the right things to chellin' though. Yeah. You could be chelling some awful shit. I could be I know, but that's the kind of the worry I think. Why am I even saying that out loud? Is that if it's that powerful a connection, man, you gotta be careful what you tell. Yeah . I wouldn't worry about it. Yeah, 'cause that's not going on the Viz. Because the things you only put the good stuff on the Viz. You can't help it. It's like getting a song stuck in your head. You really want So you get you get that static in there and you're like, Oh, destitute or whatever, never work again. That's just not that compelling. Just stick with the good chills and you'll just keep chelling. Do you do you chell a lot? Do you vish? I don't really chell. I I like holding things in my heart. That's what I'll say. I I like to say I you don't get everything you manifest, but everything you got you manifested, if that makes sense. Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Because I get really dis disheartened. There have been times in my life where I like I didn't I was like I'm gonna make like a vision board it's gonna be the wallpaper on my phone. None of it happened. Yeah. And I'll just be like fuck that. I'm much more I'll try to do nine things constantly So Eugene, who was just on you saw him on the way out, we were talking about this. You try to do nine things, you're developing a show, you're writing a movie, you're doing a book, you're doing this, all this different stuff. And two of them will happen. But I can't get too magical about it 'cause I'll I've just seen it not work. And then I have to trust something bigger that I'm not really in control of. But that I feel is like I was talking about this the other day with my friends like you know because just watching your kids try over things some of it they get some of they don't like we everything we learn like it is so trite but like you learn way more from failure than you do from success. So it's all those things that we