Episode Recap and Closing Thoughts

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Your body is not what you thought it was Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro These are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the fourteenth season of Family Secrets He kind of showoed me out of the way and said, M And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him Listen to Season fourteen of Family Secrets on the I Heart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Betrayal Weekly is back with brand news stories. from threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. It was from an unknown number Who else is getting these messages? Why did it start with us to longong cons and stolen identities? Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed a word she said Listen to betetrayal Weekly on the IiHart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts Welcome to the Disgraceeland Bonus episode, a little thing that we like to call the after partarty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get from one full episode or Disgrraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. And our mission is to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, The Cost of At Great beauty. Wendy O Williams' tragic end in your emails, comments, DMs. and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets very disgraced and is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right goes Let's get into it Here we are. hereere we are. I am back behind the desk. It's been a minute. Listen, I know you haven't missed me in the feed. I've been in the feed with you these last few days, weeks, but I've been away on vacation. For the better part of two wee, like fifteen days I've been gone. everythingverything that you've heard with me, with me and Zeh and this disgraceeland feed and Hollywood Land, all that stuff, everything has been was pre recorded so that I could go away not record anything. Well, I'm back. I literally just sat down in my chair here behind the desk at the mic. It's been an eighteen and a half hour journey today from when we left the hotel in Munich to when we get back to our place here in the States and I'm rareing to go. I am to talk to you guys. It's been too long. I had something profound happen to me while I was away just last night actually in Munich And I know we got Wendy O Williams in the feed and I want to talk to you about that because it has everything to do with Wendy O Williams. It has everything to do with what we do here in Disgrracelland. It has to do with what you guys love Great art, great music, great movies. Listen, say what you will about Wendy O. Williams, this week's full episode subject of Disgrace Lland She was a fearless artist Some might quibble with that word, artists. some might say that that's a term unworthy of Wendy O' Williams in her shock rock, but there is no doubt about it. Wendy O Williams was a driven artist She was compelled to create in an effort to express herself. and when she couldn't do that anymore When that option was no longer available to her She ceased to exist. She ended her life. It's an extremely sad ending lifeife is delicate is also delicate. Even rock ' and' roll played with chainsaws and exploding cadillacs is delicate making something truly great is a delicate balance of expression of bravery and vulnerability I've been in Central Europe on vacation with my family for the past few weeks, like I said And I was surrounded by some of the most beautiful and awe inspiring architecture that I've ever seen. Giant buildings, churches, cathedrals, statues, monuments, to saints, to royals, to God, man madeade epic creations that literally stop me in my tracks and make me marvel beauty humans are capable of creating And it forced this idea into my head over the past week True art, greatreat art is delicate I've been walking around Munich in Vienna in Budapest and thinking about this idea and going to bed at night dreaming about this idea. I know that sounds pretentious, but that's the actual truth. I've been ruminating on this. I've been watching films, I've been listening to music, reading books and looking at architecture and taking it all in through the lens of this idea that art is delicate. Now not everything an artist sets out to create achieves the same intended effect. Some art is off balance. Some songs don't sing, some albums don't hit their mark, some stories don't resonate. But sometimes everything works as it was intended or unintended and the creation transcends And if the artist is really lucky their creation will find an audience. Now Wendyo Williams was not this type of artist. and I'm not so sure that her aspirations were that of a traditional artist anyway, but regardless She wasn't afforded the life other artists are afforded and her end was, as we know, tragic. All this has been swimming around my head the last few days while I've been in Munich Fantastic city againgain, with big bold dynamic architecture that att least in old town where I was staying seems to grab you by the shirt collar and shake you alive I recently watched Apollo Sororentino film One man up about a week before I left on vacation Sorentino made the HBO series The Young Pope As well as the Academy awward winning film, The Great Beauty. Now I rewatched The Great Beauty a couple days before I left for vacation after I saw one mana Tony Servillo is the Italian actor who stars in both The Great Beauty and in One Man O. One minute up is about what else? disgraced musician and a soccer player It has a surprising Wendy O. Williams outcome. And the Great Beauty, again, also starring Tony Cervillo is about a writer whose greatest work is completed at a young age and who struggles with his fabulous life afterfter this greatreat early achievement. He has all this success. He has a fabulous life, but he's is He's got a lot of other stuff going on. He's unhappy delicate nature of art, the vulnerability of personal expression. These are the themes of both of these films I watched these films, I went to Europe, somethingomet about Europe It wouldn't let me forget these movies to European movies. constantly reminded of during this trip two films starring, as I said servillo On our last night in Munich, last night this past Monday, june twenty ninth We're welcking back to our hotel after dinner. Beer, sausage, Viener Schitzel course And there's like it's just Picturesque Just imagine church bells tolling cou sitting outside in cafes. You know they're all smoking that the bars are are starting to spill out get packed beer gardens, all that We're walcking back to our hotel It's lightly raining You can literally smell incense in the street. from the Catholic Church It's right there Turn the corner Tward our hotel And as we do right there on the street on the sidewalk that we're walking on Iy lock eyes with an older, handsome man And when I say lock eyes, I mean lock from the instant We saw each other, boom He was maybe ten feet away at that moment and we stared at each other The entire time he approached me and I approached him And we kept staring at each other until we passed one another on the street, like shoulder to shoulder Now I couldn't look away becausecause I recognize this dude There's something in his eyes. He didn't recognize me but he must have been taken aback confronted by the fact that I was just so fucking locked in And it was only a second or two. afterfter we passed each other that I realized whose eyes I was looking into fromrom the greatreat beauty from one man out. The man himself, the star of both of those Ppoulo Sorentino films, the leading man Tony Servilla. I didn't recognize the actor at first. Again, the actor in this fucking movie, these two movies that I've been thinking about and the themes of these movies for the past two weeks. This sound it sounds toonchon it's like too much synchronity, the grateful they call it synchronicity It's I know it sounds like I'm making this up. like I'm building this up and I'm making it up, but I'm not you can you can Google this shit Okay, so I passed this guy. And I'm like, o fuck that that's the de in my head, That's what's happening And I immediately, but it didn't look like him. I mean, it looked like him enough, but it didn't really look like him And then I just have the thought I'm like, oh shit. God like I know him from a movie that came out in like twenty thirteen And the other one came out in like two thousand nine or something. So I immediately Google searched Tony Servillo twenty twenty six As I'm telling my wife what's going on And and he the image that pops up from late twenty twenty five. the man I was just looking at. No doubt about it. He looks much older now He's sixty eight years old He's like, early fifties and the Great Beauty Beauty Oscar winning picture for foreign film Foreignanguage film, excuse We We're totally sevillable Pays Jeep. That's the character But again, it looks much older now So then I Google, I'm like, o, wait min, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm just like Mam just like project because I'm now I'm thinking like, I've been thinking about this fucking guy. Wild is this So then I'm like, well, maybe I'm just know my head's going and putting these things together when it's not. So then I Google Tony Sville, Munich Okay Turns out he's in town being honored at the Munich International Film Festival with the Se Merit Award And it was that night June twenty ninth Dude was probably on his way to the event when I saw him. Okay, totally strange me in a foreign country walking around, traveling and reflecting doing the type of reflecting that you guys know You know what happens when you travel, you have time away from work or whatever You know, you start to reflect on things in a different way. That's why we do it. That's why we need vacations. We need to reset And I'm doing that very thing and I'm thinking of this man's films and the themes of these films, what they represent. especially because they're very much these themes are very much in conversation with the Wendy O' Williams episode that we releas to you this week. And bam, I come face to face with the actor in these movies, the very same actor, this artist artist whose art was being celebrated that night took it as a sign, a sign to keep going keep making creating putting things into the world keep searching for inspiration, to keep looking beyond the despair and the grind, to find that beauty and to hopefully find a way to put more beauty into the world through art, through conversation, through storytelling Great art, great beauty And sometimes a lot of times Artist miss. The hits, you know them when you make them, they feel different, but not everyone feels the way you want them to feel about your art. Wendy O' Williams couldn't reconcile this. Not only is art delicate, but artists as Wendy O' Williams tragically illustrates, artists are also delicate. So I'm taking my chance encounter with the great actor Tony Servillo, the great artist, the great beauty himself as not only a sign But as a reminder, a prompt use the Parlence of our times to celebrate not only the great and delicate art that makes life tolerable, but also the delicate artists who make it So if you're listening to this today Tell an artist you love how much you appreciate them. Reach out to them on social media, wrrite them a letter, go to their shows, buy their records, read their books, pass their myths on to future generations. All right, We owe that to Wendy O. Williams, and Tony Servillo is reminding us of that. In the spirit of this conversation we're having right now, Zeth and I are going to give you a deeper dive into the two Tony Servilla films that I discussed here in this monologue, the Oscar winning, the G Beauty and the very disgrace Landy One manan Up, which is also a soccer film and very relevant to the World Cup of it all that that's happening. okay? Both films, like I said are directed by Paulo, Sorentino, the creator of HBO's Young Pope. Both films are a plus and I can't wait about them with Zeth You wantan to hear this conversations come up later in this episode for our all acccess listeners on Patreon and Apple suubbscriptions. If you're not an all acccess member and would like to join the Disgracelland community and support the show and all that Zeth, myself, Matt and the rest of the Double Elvis game put together for you every week, then you can sign up at disgracelandpod dot com to unlock exclusive content like this pllus add free listening. So Wendy O Williams in the feed this week. I'm talking to you in the after party right now coming up this weekend a rewind episode on Lana Del Ray and next week, another brand spanking new story on the death of Jim Morrison in the mysterious Count Jeend Bretoy Jim's death is not what we were told it was, people It's not the death authority said it was and it isn't the death that the conspiracy theorists say it is either. It is something else. and if you want to understand how Jim Morrison actually died We need to listen to this episode. And when you are When I lay out these different theories, when you're listening and you're hearing me explain the facts after you listen, call me six one seven ninez six six six threety eight and let me know what you think Let me know how you think Jim Morrison actually died, All right? 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Just then We felt the plane turn in the air So much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy how it shapes our identities and relationships and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything me pretending like everything was fine He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, M. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. and that was the last time I saw him Listen to seeason fourteen of Family Secrets on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Betrayal Weekly is back with brand news stories. fromr threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. It was from an unknown number Who else is getting these messages Why did it start with us to long cons and stolen identities? Who lies about being this sick This was the last time I ever believed a word, she said New voices, each with the courage to tell their own story. He said I have been kidnapped. Okay ust trying out normal He was essentially on the run. Every family has secrets The rug had been pulled from underneath me Oh my God It was right in front of my face and I didn't even see it Listen to betetrayal Weekly on the IiHart Radio app. Apple Podcast. wherever you get your podcasts Hello, it's me Anna Sinfield from The Girlfriends, the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories I'm back with more one off interviews with some truly kick ass women on the girlfriend's spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vasaka. Let's see how we can stop killing. and save life. Lilla dared to ask the question ', hereditory. And finally, we'll meet Rosamond. 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Hey, Jake, this is Heather Yenzer calling from the four one two in Pittsburgh And I wanted to tell you about the album covered that I was obsessed with in my younger days in the holding compomany's cheap thrill dobble. those mysterious cartoons from Robert Crum to your tos manans It would be another decade before I got my hands on Chrome's notorious Rit theat cartoons and the songs on that record My college friend, Dee was obsessed with Janet at the time, and we'd lye on the floor listening to Janetice ripping out her soul on a regular basis it gets chills when I hear ball and shain Rockca Rollaman Heather the Enzer, Heather in Pittsburgh, G Pirates, Rockca Rolla. Listen, yeah, Rcrum. Did you see the R Rrum movie? Pretty amazing And yeah, the artwork is amazing as well on that album Sheap thrills Sonic U Goo kicked off this conversation about album art. Let's check out this text from the three hundred seven. Yo it's F flow from the three hundred seven J just want to say I totally dug the Sonic Youth episode in the breakdown in the middle of the episode is fucking Rad. Sonic U Goo was shown to me via a skateboard video by toy Machine called Welcome to Hell. I was nine years old wanted toes skate curbs in the Sonoran desesert and pretend to be at Templeton So ripped the album off of Napster and blasted it on my JVC Kaboom box. and shock Coca Colas in the unfettered heat. Side note, not to always bring up Morrisy or the Smiths, but The Smiths suuffer littleittle children off the awesome nineteen eighty four self title debut alm was writt about the Moore' murders. Anyway, keep kicking ass Rock and Rolla. I knew that about the Smiths. I knew that about that song, but not until the last couple of years, sort of this obsession I have with murder ballads. I think Zeth hit me to that tune. Flo, thank you for the text. exxcited you liked that episode. And I'm excited that Sonic's Gu compelled you and further deeper into the subculture. I love that. nine sevenenty eight writ in, Hey, Jake, just wanted to say I really liked your cover of losing my edge by LCD sound system on the pod the other day. That was pretty rad A Uh, that's, you know, someone hit me up on Instagram about that And they called it a cover as well. And I didn't think about it as a cover. I't I honestly, I didn't think about it as music We thought about it as this thing we did uh, with with podcasting, but I get it. it's cover is weird because we changed all the words made it fit the LCD sound system thing. It's more like a If it's music, it's more like weird Ow, You know what I'm saying But whatever it is, I'm glad you liked it nine sevenenty. Thanks for letting me know. I really appreciate it. Diffnt nine seventy eight rightits said, Hey, great episode on Jeff Buckley. I miss him every day. Hope you're well. Ryan Hastings. Oh my God, it's Skinner. I know skkinner, Ryan Hastings. How are you buddy? been a long time. Thanks for Thanks for letting us know, you're you're into Jeff. We miss them too, man. I think everybody does I talk about an artist that went way too soon. and I was actually reminded of Bucky when I was in Munich looking at that river flying through the city. four thirty seven writ saying, Hey, Jake, we get a Clive Davis episode and a George Michael episode as well. Well, listen four thirty seven, Yes and yes, you can get a Clive Davis episode I already have it in the plan. I had it in the pls before he died RIP And u I' Geor Michael, we have George Michel epode. So there you go. We're good six one seven, nine zero six, six six three eight voicemail and text Disgrace Ipod at Gmail. com I take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash with your emails and more Your husband is not who you think he is Your body is not what you thought it was Your identity is formed by a secret history I'm Danny Shapiro These are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the fourteenth season of Family Secrets Just then We felt the plane turn in the air So much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle Each week, we dive headf into the complex power of secrecy how it shapes our identities and relationships and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything. And me pretending like everything was fine He kind of showoed me out of the way and said, M And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him Listen to seeason fourteen of Family Secrets on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Betrayal Weekly is back with brand news stories. From threatening text messages disturbing a small Midwestern town. It was from an unknown number Who else is getting these messages Why did it start with us to long cons and stolen identities? Who lies about being this sick? This was the last time I ever believed a word, she said New voices, each with the courage to tell their own story. He said I have been kidnapped Okay J just trying out normal He was essentially on the run. 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The music that makes these movies chug along makes us love them even more than we possibly ever could Okay, great soundtracks, great needle drops, all that. this film should be played loud. Matt, give them a little taste of what we get going on in the Dcing conffus episod The seventies gets all the love for, I mean, rightfully so for sort of like fucking up the movie system the studio system, but the nineties dude like shook it up pretty hard Yeah. there was a version of it that happened in the nineties. The nineties are a close second and best filmmaking decade of all time to the nineteen seventies. yeah without a doubt. Totally.'s weir cosmic thing between those two decades too, because there was an absolute renaissance of the seventies in the nineteen nineties And it is really bizarre because they're not that far apart. Like we're going through a nineties Renaissance right now. fucking forty, thirty years later or whatever it is. And that was like like when this this is sette in nineteen seventy six, I was in high school twelve years later. My high school looked exactly like the high school Oh yeah film That Yeah I don't want to burn it all now, but there are so many similarities and I don't really I don't know if younger people get how big the seventies were in the nineties. That like John Trabolta in pulp fiction. That's why that matt because was a seventies thing. Yeah. And there were all these other pieces of nineties culture that we're trading on you mentioned the Beastie boys. Totally' goofing on seventyies stuff. Yeah. Ttally. Th are gazillion other examples we can get to So it's they're really related in in my mind and the weird thing is I hated the seventies so much growing up. I thought it was so fucking lame Ething about it Yeah everythingverything about it And again, like I moved slower then, so like when I was In high school, all the old the dudes who taught like they still dressed like they were in the seventies. It was all so fucking old and lame to me. Yeah. but it was also like this renaaissance thing. It's really bizarre It is totally bizarre. It is totally bizarre. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the characters in this movie, the character tropes that were like seventies era tropes were They existed in the nineties. L I feel like every person in this movie I could give you an example of that person in my high school in the nineties. one hundred percent Yeah and it doesn't it almost it feels like it feels like my high school so much Yeah, totally From the characters to the style, the cars all of it. I mean, the only weird thing is like All these cars, I know all these cars. This is like the big one of the biggest car porn movies out there. Oh man. There was yeah, I wanted to talk to you about this for sure. Oh God, there's so much. There's a scene where they're in the parking lot in the beginning and they're show like they're focused on all the cool muscle cars that these kids drive. and then the cars in the background are kind of like older sixties and fifties, like you'll see like a Bick with the big fins, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, ye. We didn't have that shit around. That stuff was aged out But there were still so many seventies cars around and that was a bit we talked about this on Rp partarty the other day. was that was a big part of my youth. Yeah I don't know, man. the style too, like Slater looks like he fell out of a fucking blind melon video. You know what I'm saying